Hotbird vs. Astra

[Fred Kinleborg]

Hi,

currently I´m using Astra 19.2 for watching TV.
I prefer english channels like BBC, Aljazeera,
France24 english and so on.

On Astra I´m restricted to arount 12 or 13 english
channels. Most of them are news channels and in a
way quite similar. It`s quite clear that they all
use the same source for information (mostly Reuters).
That means all news channels are showing the same
pictures and film material. Incredible but true.

By and by it becomes a bit boring.

Now I consider to buy a second LNB for receiving
additional Hotbird 13E. My question is whether it´s
worth to do so, whether this sat has other english
channels than Astra. It would be optimal when there
were even free english movie channels available.

My location is north-west Germany.

Can someone give me an advice?

Thanks in advance.

Fred

[Charles Ellson]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:08:45 +0200, Fred Kinleborg
<newsFK....@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>currently I惴 using Astra 19.2 for watching TV.

>I prefer english channels like BBC, Aljazeera,
>France24 english and so on.
>

>On Astra I惴 restricted to arount 12 or 13 english

>channels. Most of them are news channels and in a
>way quite similar. It`s quite clear that they all
>use the same source for information (mostly Reuters).
>That means all news channels are showing the same
>pictures and film material. Incredible but true.
>
>By and by it becomes a bit boring.
>
>Now I consider to buy a second LNB for receiving

>additional Hotbird 13E. My question is whether it愀

>worth to do so, whether this sat has other english
>channels than Astra. It would be optimal when there
>were even free english movie channels available.
>
>My location is north-west Germany.
>
>Can someone give me an advice?
>

There isn't a lot usually in English on HotBird (mainly news or
religious channels) but there is a fair bit of occasional English
spread around. It depends on what material you are after and whether
you are hopeless with other languages or can catch the gist of what is
going on, possibly aided by the foreign p.888/150 subtitles when
available. If it is only going to cost you the price of an LNB then at
least you'll have a spare one if you don't find anything you fancy.

[Miles Collins]

Fred Kinleborg <newsFK....@spamgourmet.com>:

> My location is north-west Germany.

If you already have an 80cm or larger dish, I'd go for 28.2. You'll
need to have the 28.2 in the centre though.
If you only have a small dish, consider getting a"maximum e-85".
I've got one setup (28.2/19.2/13E) in Lübeck, and considering you're
west of me, you shouldn't have any difficulties receiving UK
programmes.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:08:45 +0200) it happened Fred Kinleborg
<newsFK....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
<8v4h59-...@main-server.grobelnik.de>:

You could watch Russia Today on Hotbird for some other perspective of 'news'.
There is China too 'cctv' at least one is in English.
And indeed many religious channels, many Arab channels too.

Basically it is always good to have more than one source of information,
and not only the local US brainwash.

If you only watch one channel at the time you could
install a movable dish, that would give you even more choice.
Depends a bit of what area of the sky is visible from your location.

[Fred Kinleborg]

On 11.04.2012 22:08, Fred Kinleborg wrote:
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.

.
> Now I consider to buy a second LNB for receiving
> additional Hotbird 13E. My question is whether it´s
> worth to do so, whether this sat has other english
> channels than Astra. It would be optimal when there
> were even free english movie channels available.
>
> My location is north-west Germany.
>
> Can someone give me an advice?

Hi people,

I´d like to thank everyone who gave me an answer to my
question.

Today I installed an additional LNB for Hotbird 13E.
Actually I changed my old LNB against a so called
Monoblock with 2 LNBs with 6 degree space.

I could easily swap the LNBs. My old one was adjusted
to Astra 19E. Now one of the 2 LNBs aims to the old
satellite while the other one is looking 6 degrees
lower to Hotbird 13E. The whole action lastet
15 minutes.

But you are right. There are not a lot of english
channels. But at least I have back the channel which
was the cause for my pondering about a second LNB.
Press TV, the Iranian state controlled broadcaster.

ASTRA switched off Press TV in Germany unter pressure
of the german government. I think this move has to do
with the looming war with Iran.

It annoys me tremendous that the german government
thinks that the ordinary people has only the right
to see programs which they are considering good
for the people.

As I said earlier: thank you very much.

With best regards

Fred

[zedkay]

Press TV. Annoying it was removed from the european controlled birds:

"On 3 April 2012, Munich-based media regulator BLM announced it was
removing Press TV from the SES Astra satellite as they did not have a
licence to broadcast in Europe.[39][40] PressTV is appealing this decision."

He who wins a war writes the history books.

[Fred Kinleborg]

On 17.04.2012 17:32, zedkay wrote:

> Press TV. Annoying it was removed from the european controlled birds:
>
> "On 3 April 2012, Munich-based media regulator BLM announced it was
> removing Press TV from the SES Astra satellite as they did not have a
> licence to broadcast in Europe.[39][40] PressTV is appealing this decision."

It looks like we are all heading towards rather dark times.

--

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Fred Kinleborg" <newsFK....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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Where do you think the bad mullahs will infiltrate their first A-bomb?

>
> --
>

[Fred Kinleborg]

On 18.04.2012 02:20, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

>>> Press TV. Annoying it was removed from the european controlled birds:

>> It looks like we are all heading towards rather dark times.
>
> Where do you think the bad mullahs will infiltrate their first A-bomb?

Do you really think blocking of Press TV in Germany and UK will prevent
them from further developing nuclear technology?

Did you ever see Press TV? They show you the other side of the so called
western world. A side our media isn´t allowed to show.

And why your expression "bad mullahs". Do you know some of them or
is your opinion build by the main stream media? If the latter then
don´t answer. Otherwise tell us why they are bad.

You know Iran has a lot of black gold? You know what happens these days
with countries with a lot of black gold? When a country is going to
be seized by the west the first thing to do is to eleminate its ability
to show the rest of the world what really happens. You shall only
see pictures which don´t upset you ..........

Iran has more than 80m inhabitants. Most of them are surely only
interested in a peaceful life and by no means bad. Like you and me.

--

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Fred Kinleborg" <newsFK....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message

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> On 18.04.2012 02:20, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>>>> Press TV. Annoying it was removed from the european controlled birds:
>
>>> It looks like we are all heading towards rather dark times.
>>
>> Where do you think the bad mullahs will infiltrate their first A-bomb?
>
> Do you really think blocking of Press TV in Germany and UK will prevent
> them from further developing nuclear technology?

No

>
> Did you ever see Press TV? They show you the other side of the so called
> western world. A side our media isn´t allowed to show.

Oddly yes - their coverage of the Libyian rebellion was little short of
ridiculous, although they did have reporters in places other news providers
did not dare go. Some quite bizarre analysis of events in Egypt and
Tunisia. After the fall of Gadaffi it reverted to more introspective stuff
and was too boring to watch.

>
> And why your expression "bad mullahs". Do you know some of them or
> is your opinion build by the main stream media? If the latter then
> don´t answer. Otherwise tell us why they are bad.

They stone women to death, develop nuclear weapons and lie about it, try to
assasinate former prime ministers in foreign countries and on a personal
note murdered the brother of a friend of mine when he was silly enough to
return to Iran under some sort of amnesty (shot at the airport as far as
could be ascertained). More recently they rigged the last presidential
eleciton and violently suppressed peaceful protests about it. They censor
the web and jam foreign satellite broadcasts and [tbc] are assisting the
Syrian regime in terrorising their own people.

>
> You know Iran has a lot of black gold? You know what happens these days
> with countries with a lot of black gold? When a country is going to
> be seized by the west the first thing to do is to eleminate its ability
> to show the rest of the world what really happens. You shall only
> see pictures which don´t upset you ..........
>
> Iran has more than 80m inhabitants. Most of them are surely only
> interested in a peaceful life and by no means bad. Like you and me.
>

Now that it true.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:14:47 +0100) it happened "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospam...@btinternet.com> wrote in
<C7SdnXdLw9E6bhLS...@bt.com>:

>> Did you ever see Press TV? They show you the other side of the so called

>> western world. A side our media isnŽt allowed to show.

>
>Oddly yes - their coverage of the Libyian rebellion was little short of
>ridiculous, although they did have reporters in places other news providers
>did not dare go. Some quite bizarre analysis of events in Egypt and
>Tunisia. After the fall of Gadaffi it reverted to more introspective stuff
>and was too boring to watch.
>
>>
>> And why your expression "bad mullahs". Do you know some of them or
>> is your opinion build by the main stream media? If the latter then

>> donŽt answer. Otherwise tell us why they are bad.

>
>They stone women to death, develop nuclear weapons and lie about it, try to
>assasinate former prime ministers in foreign countries and on a personal
>note murdered the brother of a friend of mine when he was silly enough to
>return to Iran under some sort of amnesty (shot at the airport as far as
>could be ascertained). More recently they rigged the last presidential
>eleciton and violently suppressed peaceful protests about it. They censor
>the web and jam foreign satellite broadcasts and [tbc] are assisting the
>Syrian regime in terrorising their own people.

I have never see press tv,
but all the things you accuse them of, the US and its allies does too, and more.
Just imagine the people in Iraq, little children and innocent ones
who have NO choice in who rules them, getting bombed by US and coalition forces,
and that being justified by selling you pictures of mobile fish and chip shops
as factories for chemical weapons of mass destruction.
Not to mention the non-existent nukes.
Why? because Iraq, to be more precise Saddam, wanted the oil money for his own people.
The situation is Iran is pretty much the same, this is about resources for the western
world.
India just launched a long range missile that can easily reach your country
and carry a nuclear weapon (and they have those).
Nobody complains.
Maybe because India has no oil, or because western society has already bribed
it to the point that is is just a puppet?

Good or bad? Nothing to do with it.
The strongest rule and write history, a history that makes them right.
But it good for your objectivity to know what happens I think.
Media play a very important role in guiding the people (to the slaughterhouse if must be,
they can make you ready for war too).
And if you question that the Syrian government has no right or need to fight
people who want to destroy the country and make it a US puppet, then
you also have to question your own government, and if you want to live in anarchy.
And, as you confirmed, you just want to live in peace.
So do not support or justify the western infiltration in Syria[1]
or Iran, sure 40 years from now, if a US still exists, they may 'apologize',
now that does not bring anybody of those innocent people back alive.
All you will have created is an enemy and that feeling will last generations.
And the empire will fall anyways, all empires have, even the British empire,
the Roman empire, Hitlers, Alexanders, there have been so many.
We, in Europe are now living in a time where inflation is more than the increase in wages each year,
that will lead to a repeat of history.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
And oil? We will need it for a while, already there are signs of low energy nuclear reactions
that could perhaps replace oil for heating and other applications.
That will cause a major change in the world map.
Then there is China who can, even with in reality worthless dollars,
simply buy countries and make them supplier..
While the US has only an ever increasing debt and in fact has become the beggar
for loans from China, Japan, a few others.
So they are simply already ignored in the UN and security council.
Add to that a grass hut president from and selected by a lower IQ group, and there is your future.
:-)
Hey, I am old, but children its a hard rain that is gonna fall (Dylan)


[1] It is easy to give a bunch of unhappy savages weapons and have them kill thousands,
with promises that things will get better if THEY rule.
It is BETTER not to be ruled by unhappy savages,

>>
>> You know Iran has a lot of black gold? You know what happens these days
>> with countries with a lot of black gold? When a country is going to
>> be seized by the west the first thing to do is to eleminate its ability
>> to show the rest of the world what really happens. You shall only

>> see pictures which donŽt upset you ..........

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jmou40$q11$1...@news.datemas.de...

> On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:14:47 +0100) it happened "R. Mark
> Clayton"
> <nospam...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> <C7SdnXdLw9E6bhLS...@bt.com>:
>
>>> Did you ever see Press TV? They show you the other side of the so called

>>> western world. A side our media isn´t allowed to show.

>>
>>Oddly yes - their coverage of the Libyian rebellion was little short of
>>ridiculous, although they did have reporters in places other news
>>providers
>>did not dare go. Some quite bizarre analysis of events in Egypt and
>>Tunisia. After the fall of Gadaffi it reverted to more introspective
>>stuff
>>and was too boring to watch.
>>
>>>
>>> And why your expression "bad mullahs". Do you know some of them or
>>> is your opinion build by the main stream media? If the latter then

>>> don´t answer. Otherwise tell us why they are bad.

>>
>>They stone women to death, develop nuclear weapons and lie about it, try
>>to
>>assasinate former prime ministers in foreign countries and on a personal
>>note murdered the brother of a friend of mine when he was silly enough to
>>return to Iran under some sort of amnesty (shot at the airport as far as
>>could be ascertained). More recently they rigged the last presidential
>>eleciton and violently suppressed peaceful protests about it. They censor
>>the web and jam foreign satellite broadcasts and [tbc] are assisting the
>>Syrian regime in terrorising their own people.
>
>
> I have never see press tv,
> but all the things you accuse them of, the US and its allies does too, and
> more.

Does the US stone women to death - NO, although some states retain the death
penalty for murder
Assassinate ex leaders abroad - NO
Murder its own citizens on return to the US - NO
Rig the presidential election - not usually, some problems in 2000
Violently suppress peaceful demos - not usually.
Censor the web - NO
Jam foreign media - NO
Assist foreign tyrants - it has in the past, but not much these days,
usually it is trying to get rid of them.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:48:49 +0100) it happened "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospam...@btinternet.com> wrote in
<KZidnZbCxrBcig3S...@bt.com>:

>> I have never see press tv,
>> but all the things you accuse them of, the US and its allies does too, and
>> more.
>
>Does the US stone women to death - NO, although some states retain the death
>penalty for murder

Yes how you kill them in the end makes little difference...

>Assassinate ex leaders abroad - NO

Absolutely yes.
Again how they do it varies, CIA uses poison, whatever.

>Murder its own citizens on return to the US - NO

I think they send them to secret jails never to be heard of again
if they consider it of political advantage.

>Rig the presidential election - not usually, some problems in 2000

Oh yes.

>Violently suppress peaceful demos - not usually.

I have seen that happen many times.

>Censor the web - NO

Absolutely yes, been on Usenet for enough years to see them use cancel messages.

>Jam foreign media - NO

Absolutely yes.

>Assist foreign tyrants - it has in the past, but not much these days,
>usually it is trying to get rid of them.

That answers 'Assassinate ex leaders abroad ' as confirmative :-)

Look it is, again, something any 'power' does.
But denying it happens, and then accusing the enemy is silly.

Maybe the western world has a bit more freedom of speech, but wait.
once people start to listen you will be targeted in every possible way.
Using any argument, true or not.

Also there is this culture thing as you point out,
one culture uses stoning, the other hanging,
in one culture you are considered evil if you do this,
in an other if you do that, clothing, religions.
Normally there is tolerance, but if there is some reason to make the other
look bad all this is used as an against.
Look how US tried to make that Frenchman who was candidate for the IMF
look bad, accuse him falsely of sexual assault, look how they did the same
with that wikileaks guy Assagne...
It is all the play.. China does it, Russia does it (that guy who was
a rich oil magnate is still in jail I think), power struggles..

It is a very complicated tangled web, I am sure Russia likes the current high oil prices.
maybe they are high to keep Putin happy, as he must be pissed about Syria.
Or maybe the poor people in Syria are just used as a weapon sales platform
for both these super powers, like it was done in Africa for some many years.
Who will win (ground) and when, the MIC (military Industrial Complex),
the scientific industrial complex, all groups with an agenda that is perhaps
not what it should be.
So, anyways, I do remember pictures from the Iraq TV station shaking
I could see it via satellite, when 'allied' forces bombed it.
Actually they showed nice pieces of Iraqi art (that were subsequently bombed to pieces).
So maybe there is this fear that more people will see the others are not so bad, and sometimes
the grass is even greener elsewhere.
Satellite TV makes the world a lot smaller, although I think most watch the local
US oriented crap every night for many hours.
You cannot blame people for finally believing what they are told,
that is how you educate kids, and parrots, just keep repeating the same stuff.
Will writing this make any difference? Well if idiots are a majority then in a democratic
system it wont.
You have to give it to China that the one party system does some planning ahead,
it is not like NASA where one president goes to the moon and the next one to mars,
and every 4 or 8 years they destroy the others project and start again,
end result: they cannot go anywhere.
OTOH cultures like China who invade Tibet etc also destroy aspects of human inheritance
that have perhaps more value than the simple quest for material wealth that it now
seems that China is in.
Then we talk about the human heart.
It is a large subject, too large to address in a single post,
in the end if humans will survive, I dunno, the dinos were also fighting
for territory and did not.
Maybe it all makes no difference, I thought this week that maybe we are just a thermal side
effect in the large universe with all its exploding stars and stuff like that,
life, we will never know what was before it, like an ant cannot understand the walls of the building
it is creeping up against, let alone understands the architects thoughts.

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:jmpf4s$jkh$1...@news.datemas.de...

> On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:48:49 +0100) it happened "R. Mark
> Clayton"
> <nospam...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> <KZidnZbCxrBcig3S...@bt.com>:
>
>>> I have never see press tv,
>>> but all the things you accuse them of, the US and its allies does too,
>>> and
>>> more.
>>
>>Does the US stone women to death - NO, although some states retain the
>>death
>>penalty for murder
>
> Yes how you kill them in the end makes little difference...
>

Well I think there is a bit of a difference between stoning a woman to death
(intentionally slow and painful) for the victimless "offence" of adultery
and a swift execution for the ultimate crime of deliberately killing someone
else (NB I oppose the death penalty)

>
>>Assassinate ex leaders abroad - NO
>
> Absolutely yes.
> Again how they do it varies, CIA uses poison, whatever.

Iran repeatedly tried to assasinate Shapour Bakhtiar

"In July 1980 he escaped an assassination attempt in his home in the
Parisian suburb of Suresnes, which killed a policeman and a neighbor. But on
7 August 1991, Bakhtiar was murdered along with his secretary, Soroush
Katibeh, by three assassins in his home".

Fidel Castro is in his late eighties.

>
>
>>Murder its own citizens on return to the US - NO
>
> I think they send them to secret jails never to be heard of again
> if they consider it of political advantage.

Well the US sends shold be POW's to Gauntanamo, but has not recently
summarily executed its own citizens.

>
>
>>Rig the presidential election - not usually, some problems in 2000
>
> Oh yes.

But adjudicated on by the Supreme Court and accepted by the loser.

>
>
>>Violently suppress peaceful demos - not usually.
>
> I have seen that happen many times.
>
>
>>Censor the web - NO
>
> Absolutely yes, been on Usenet for enough years to see them use cancel
> messages.

What are you talking about - the only cancelled message I have seen is one
of my own incomplete ones that I cancelled and replaced.

>
>
>>Jam foreign media - NO
>
> Absolutely yes.

Rubbish - even back in the 1960's I received radio Peking bounced over north
America at night,

OTOH Iran jams the BBC, other foreign media including IIRC Al Jazerra, does
not usually allow foreign journalists in etc. etc.

>
>
>>Assist foreign tyrants - it has in the past, but not much these days,
>>usually it is trying to get rid of them.
>
> That answers 'Assassinate ex leaders abroad ' as confirmative :-)
>
> Look it is, again, something any 'power' does.
> But denying it happens, and then accusing the enemy is silly.
>
> Maybe the western world has a bit more freedom of speech, but wait.
> once people start to listen you will be targeted in every possible way.
> Using any argument, true or not.
>



> Also there is this culture thing as you point out,
> one culture uses stoning, the other hanging,
> in one culture you are considered evil if you do this,
> in an other if you do that, clothing, religions.
> Normally there is tolerance, but if there is some reason to make the other
> look bad all this is used as an against.
> Look how US tried to make that Frenchman who was candidate for the IMF
> look bad, accuse him falsely of sexual assault,

The US did not do that a woman accused him.

> look how they did the same with that wikileaks guy Assagne...

Er he did run up their entire back catalog of secret emails - OTOH if a
newby private in Kabul could down load the lot, I think we can assume that
every foreign intelligence service in teh world had already done it.

> It is all the play.. China does it, Russia does it (that guy who was
> a rich oil magnate is still in jail I think), power struggles..

Er not [really] in the west and supporters of Syria

>
> It is a very complicated tangled web, I am sure Russia likes the current
> high oil prices.

That's enough for now.