On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 04:26:32 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:
> You'll need to explain that better.
Hi Brian Gregory,
Actually, I think you understood perfectly, based on what you wrote below,
which is good because that means you're (a) smart, and (b) attentive.
That's good. I can learn from you. I love when someone is smart on Usenet,
which, as you are well aware, is not the norm (at least not on Apple
newsgroups it's not).
Given you're smart, I would _love_ for you to check out my privacy settings
But to answer your point that "I need to explain that better", I was mostly
simply giving you an example, which proved that you were correct that most
people are (a) stupid and (b) rude, such that they upload their neighbor's
wifi access points to a public Google database.
That agreement with you was my _main_ point in providing the example I gave
you, where a _better_ example of how dangerous this stuff is, is that there
are _other_ databases (e.g., wigle) which, I believe, will geolocate with a
single query, i.e., without the minor protections the Google public
database has implemented by requiring _two_ concurrent datapoints.
> For a start what on earth do you mean by "if I knew that your phone had
> an access point of SSID A, BSSID of DEADBEEFCAFE"
> No phone normally has an access point. It's something some people switch
> on when they need it to give a different device internet access.
Yes. I agree. I was using it as an example, where you understood what I
said, which is you need two access points, and which the phone has to be
set up for that access point.
It was an example of the use of the Google public database, which you
correctly understood, although my _main_ point, is (always) that:
a. People are stupid (by not setting up their phone properly), and,
b. People are rude (by uploading my home WiFi SSID information to Google.
I'm not an expert; I just look at _all_ the settings I can find to turn
off, and I readily admit Google spread them all over Timbuktu on Android.
Please do take a look at my settings, which I laid bare for you here:
I'd be _happy_ if you (or anyone else) can find privacy flaws in my setup
as what I want is as much privacy as we, all of us, together, can figure
Rest assured, I _love_ facts. And I love privacy.
o So if you can find flaws in my privacy setup - please let me know!
The last thing I want to be is:
a. Stupid (like most people seem to be), nor do I want to be
b. Rude (which I feel most people seem to be given their Android setup).
Please note that I say this bluntly, not only because I believe it, but
because I want to underscore the point that only the stupid and rude people
spy on their neighbors for Google's benefit.
We aficionados do not want to be (a) stupid, nor (b) rude; so it behooves
us to figure out the proper settings on our Android phones so as not to spy
on our neighbors' wifi (and so as not to upload our own location data).
>> I would simply ask Google for the location of these two concurrent points:
>> a. Your SSID, BSSID, a bogus signal strength, and your ex girlfriend's GPS
>> b. Her SSID, BSSID, a bogus signal strength, and your ex girlfriend's GPS
>> Then Google would tell me if you're at your ex's house, or not; for free.
> I think you mean it might possibly do so, sometimes.
Yes. You understood. To put it most bluntly, all you need are two things,
but you can guess at most of these two datapoints:
1. The SSID, BSSID, GPS, & signal strength of access point #1.
2. The SSID, BSSID, GPS, & signal strength of access point #2.
As far as I know, you don't even need the _second_ access point for other
databases not Google's, but I haven't tested them (e.g., Wigle WiFi).
My main point was to agree with you that many people are (a) stupid and (b)
rude, such that they don't bother to set up Android properly so as to not
spy on their neighbors (& every house they pass as they drive the roads).
My main message is (a) don't be stupid, and (b) don't be rude.
o Set up the phone properly.
> Judging by how long it can typically take Google to realise when
> somebody moves home and takes their old WiFi access point with them I
> think it unlikely that it would be at all effective at quickly spotting
> when a movable access point has moved.
I'm not at all sure about that as your SSID is reported to Google by
_every_ idiot out there who doesn't know how to set up their phone
To that end, I would _love_ a critique of my phone's setup over here:
In the end, I can't fix that most people are (a) stupid, and most people
are (b) rude; but what I can fix is that I can learn how to better set up
my Android phone so that I am not.