EasyGPS or ExpertGPS under Linux??
Beartooth
With wine-1.1.14-1 under Fedora 10, EasyGPS launches, finds, and
correctly identifies my Garmin GPS (something Garmin's own software under
wine still can't do); and it tries to copy my waypoints. It even claims
success; but then it gives endless pop-ups (277 of them, at a guess -- the
number of waypoints it says I have). By the time you close all those, it
crashes; and on re-launch, it has no waypoints.
I'm wondering if the paid version would be any better ...
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Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
>
> With wine-1.1.14-1 under Fedora 10, EasyGPS launches, finds,
> and correctly identifies my Garmin GPS (something Garmin's own
> software under wine still can't do); and it tries to copy my
> waypoints. It even claims success; but then it gives endless pop-ups
> (277 of them, at a guess -- the number of waypoints it says I have).
> By the time you close all those, it crashes; and on re-launch, it has
> no waypoints.
>
> I'm wondering if the paid version would be any better ...
Hi
Mapsource works fine with crossover-pro, it should also work with wine
if you create softlinks to the mount points in the ~/.wine directory. I
would imagine you need to do something similar with EasyGPS. In my case
I have;
drive_e -> /media/MAPS/
drive_f -> /media/GARMIN/
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Beartooth
[....]
> Mapsource works fine with crossover-pro, it should also work with wine
> if you create softlinks to the mount points in the ~/.wine directory. I
> would imagine you need to do something similar with EasyGPS. In my case
> I have;
>
> drive_e -> /media/MAPS/
> drive_f -> /media/GARMIN/
Hmmm .... My linux-fu is less than you credit me with; I'm not
sure I even remember what a soft link is -- nor whether it's the same as
whatever a symlink is. Is there a site somewhere that might walk me
through that?
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Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:47:02 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
> [....]
> > Mapsource works fine with crossover-pro, it should also work with
> > wine if you create softlinks to the mount points in the ~/.wine
> > directory. I would imagine you need to do something similar with
> > EasyGPS. In my case I have;
> >
> > drive_e -> /media/MAPS/
> > drive_f -> /media/GARMIN/
>
> Hmmm .... My linux-fu is less than you credit me with; I'm
> not sure I even remember what a soft link is -- nor whether it's the
> same as whatever a symlink is. Is there a site somewhere that might
> walk me through that?
Hi
Yes, symlink ;) you have some fu left ;)
Not sure on Fedora, but when you plug your Garmin in it mounts it
automagically? I'm using a 260w hence the two drives, but it's just a
matter of creating the symlink;
ln -s /mnt/GARMIN ~/.wine/drive_x
I'm not sure for the full path in your .wine directory, but maybe even
running winecfg will allow you to add the drive.
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Craig Wallace
> With wine-1.1.14-1 under Fedora 10, EasyGPS launches, finds, and
> correctly identifies my Garmin GPS (something Garmin's own software under
> wine still can't do); and it tries to copy my waypoints. It even claims
> success; but then it gives endless pop-ups (277 of them, at a guess -- the
> number of waypoints it says I have). By the time you close all those, it
> crashes; and on re-launch, it has no waypoints.
>
> I'm wondering if the paid version would be any better ...
If you just want to download waypoints etc, there's quite a few Linux
applications that can do that.
eg GPSBabel http://www.gpsbabel.org/
It is a command line program, but there is a GUI available - Gebabbel
http://gebabbel.sourceforge.net/
Or if you want maps, you could try QLandKarte. It can open maps in
MapSource format etc.
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Beartooth
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:53:17 -0600
> Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
>> > drive_e -> /media/MAPS/
>> > drive_f -> /media/GARMIN/
>>
>> Hmmm .... My linux-fu is less than you credit me with; I'm
>> not sure I even remember what a soft link is -- nor whether it's the
>> same as whatever a symlink is. Is there a site somewhere that might
>> walk me through that?
> Yes, symlink ;) you have some fu left ;)
How to flatter a tired old man!
Btw, the expert at the software source for EasyGPS and ExpertGPS
has now said linux is not supported. So I guess I go back to trying to
make Mapsource work; it has a lot more users -- and I *can* boot to XP if
I have to.
> Not sure on Fedora, but when you plug your Garmin in it mounts it
> automagically?
Nope. Nothing happens. I have yet to get Mapsource under linux to
acknowledge that any GPS exists. If I launch on it, click the icon that
means to get stuff from the GPS, and tell it Find Device, I just get an
error box saying it didn't. I even picked up a hint somewhere to the
effect you might have to tell it over and over. That didn't work, either.
However, if I do the dual boot to <retch> XP, the same computer
does run Mapsource and three other suites just fine. So I doubt it's a
hardware problem ...
With wine not running, I just tried turning on the GPS that's on
the cable to the serial port. Nothing new showed on the desktop. Nor did
I see anything hopeful in /dev, /media, nor /mnt.
> I'm using a 260w hence the two drives, but it's just a
> matter of creating the symlink;
What's a 260w?
> ln -s /mnt/GARMIN ~/.wine/drive_x
>
> I'm not sure for the full path in your .wine directory, but maybe even
> running winecfg will allow you to add the drive.
Hmmm ... Would something like a symlink be up to letting me
import the data off my mapsource install on the other (XP) hard drive? I
can mount that, but the files have such gawdawful names that I can't tell
which are the data I've put in from the GPSs.
I did think to try winecfg, but I don't see anything there -- not
that I know what to look for. I did add Garmin under Applications ...
In /home/btth/.wine/dosdevices I see a file called com1, and
Fedora tells me it's a "link to character device (inode/chardevice)" --
whatever that is.
Also in /home/btth/.wine, I see another file called drive_c,
which contains folders named Garmin, Progra~1, Program Files, and
Windows, as well as two files called Topo6MM.log and Topo6MMu.log. (I
suspect those have to do with Delorme, which fails to launch.)
The Garmin folder in drive_c has folders called MGUSA, Setup,
TOPOUS2008, USB_Drivers, and WebUpdater, as well as 17 files, four of
which have the square-baseball icon that Fedora uses for executables.
Apart from MapSource.exe, two of those are .dll files, and one a .DLL
Does any of that tell you anything??
Beartooth
> If you just want to download waypoints etc, there's quite a few Linux
> applications that can do that.
> eg GPSBabel http://www.gpsbabel.org/
> It is a command line program, but there is a GUI available - Gebabbel
> http://gebabbel.sourceforge.net/
Well, the last time I tried any of half a dozen linux-native
apps, they were still over my head -- they seem (to me at least) to
require not only lots more linux-savvy than I've got, but a couple of
advanced degree in cartography and double-E as well ...
But I'm not familiar with gebabbel (and do have command of
German), and it might turn the trick; I'm in process of downloading it
now. (I hope I can resurrect what to do with a tarball.) Many thanks!
> Or if you want maps, you could try QLandKarte. It can open maps in
> MapSource format etc.
That is definitely one of the ones that seemed especially
hopeful, last time I looked, and turned out to be still over my head. Has
it changed much in the last year or two??
Beartooth
> If you just want to download waypoints etc, there's quite a few Linux
> applications that can do that.
> eg GPSBabel http://www.gpsbabel.org/
> It is a command line program, but there is a GUI available - Gebabbel
> http://gebabbel.sourceforge.net/
OK, I got that, untarred it, launched it, turned on the GPS, told
it where gpsbabel is (/usr/bin/gpsbabel looks to be it), checked
waypoints, and told it to process.
I get a popup saying "A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
There is nothing to do.
The original error message reported by gpsbabel was:
Nothing to do! Use '/usr/bin/gpsbabel -h' for command-line options."
That command prints a humongous text! But, running it through "|
most" I see that it starts with " Converts GPS route and waypoint data
from one format type to another." Doesn't that mean the waypoints have to
be already *in* the linux drive somewhere?? But that's just what I can't
seem to do. Even EasyGPS only made a show, and failed at it.
Craig Wallace
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:51:18 +0000, Craig Wallace wrote:
>
>> If you just want to download waypoints etc, there's quite a few Linux
>> applications that can do that.
>> eg GPSBabel http://www.gpsbabel.org/
>> It is a command line program, but there is a GUI available - Gebabbel
>> http://gebabbel.sourceforge.net/
>
> OK, I got that, untarred it, launched it, turned on the GPS, told
> it where gpsbabel is (/usr/bin/gpsbabel looks to be it), checked
> waypoints, and told it to process.
>
> I get a popup saying "A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
> There is nothing to do.
>
> The original error message reported by gpsbabel was:
> Nothing to do! Use '/usr/bin/gpsbabel -h' for command-line options."
>
> That command prints a humongous text! But, running it through "|
> most" I see that it starts with " Converts GPS route and waypoint data
> from one format type to another." Doesn't that mean the waypoints have to
> be already *in* the linux drive somewhere?? But that's just what I can't
> seem to do. Even EasyGPS only made a show, and failed at it.
No, it can download from a GPS (or do lots of different conversions),
you just have to tell it what to do.
You have to right click in the box on the left (Intype), and choose Add.
Set the type to Garmin, and the path/device to the port your Garmin is
connected to - something like /dev/ttyS0 if its on that serial port, or
usb: if its connected to USB.
Then, in the right hand box (Outtype) right click add, and set the type
to what you want (I suggest GPX), and path for where you want the file
saved.
Then check the box for waypoints/tracks etc, then click process, and it
should download your waypoints.
Beartooth
Well, now at least I get a different popup. But this one says
A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
No Garmin USB device seems to be connected to the computer.
The original error message reported by gpsbabel was:
Found no Garmin USB devices.
But there's a rino 120 on the serial port, running -- the one
whose waypoints the other software (EasyGPS under wine) did see, and
thought it could download.
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Beartooth
[snipperoo]
>> Then check the box for waypoints/tracks etc, then click process, and it
>> should download your waypoints.
>
> Well, now at least I get a different popup. But this one says
>
> A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
> No Garmin USB device seems to be connected to the computer.
>
> The original error message reported by gpsbabel was: Found no Garmin USB
> devices.
> But there's a rino 120 on the serial port, running -- the one
> whose waypoints the other software (EasyGPS under wine) did see, and
> thought it could download.
I did spot the USB in there, and tried again with one that had /
dev/ttyS0; same error.
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:38:10 -0600, Beartooth wrote:
> [snipperoo]
> >> Then check the box for waypoints/tracks etc, then click process,
> >> and it should download your waypoints.
> >
> > Well, now at least I get a different popup. But this one
> > says
> >
> > A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
> > No Garmin USB device seems to be connected to the computer.
> >
> > The original error message reported by gpsbabel was: Found no
> > Garmin USB devices.
> ^^^
> > But there's a rino 120 on the serial port, running -- the
> > one whose waypoints the other software (EasyGPS under wine) did
> > see, and thought it could download.
>
> I did spot the USB in there, and tried again with one that
> had / dev/ttyS0; same error.
Hi
Ahhh, your using serial, so do you have a symlink in the dosdevices
directory /dev/ttyS0 -> com1 (maybe it's Com1)
My system is a Nuvi 260w which is usb.
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Beartooth
[...]
>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:38:10 -0600, Beartooth wrote:
>> > Well, now at least I get a different popup. But this one
>> > says
>> >
>> > A problem was detected by gpsbabel.
>> > No Garmin USB device seems to be connected to the computer.
>> >
>> > The original error message reported by gpsbabel was: Found no Garmin
>> > USB devices.
>>
^^^
>> > But there's a rino 120 on the serial port, running -- the
>> > one whose waypoints the other software (EasyGPS under wine) did see,
>> > and thought it could download.
>>
>> I did spot the USB in there, and tried again with one that
>> had / dev/ttyS0; same error.
> Ahhh, your using serial, so do you have a symlink in the dosdevices
> directory /dev/ttyS0 -> com1 (maybe it's Com1)
>
> My system is a Nuvi 260w which is usb.
I have an ancient etrex vista, an equally ancient bottom-of-the-
line etrex, and two rino 120s, all of which still work just fine, and do
talk to all four of my software suites (Garmin, Delorme, Maptech, and
Topo.com aka National Geographic); it seems hardly worthwhile to go for
the newer stuff. As it is, I keep an etrex in each car, carry a rino, and
still have a spare for any squirreling buddy who may visit.
Unfortunately, however, all of them have Garmin cables which work
only with serial ports; adapters don't work. I have looked hard for
Garmin cables for these units that might be made ab initio to use USB
ports, and not been able to establish even whether such cables exist.
(I know that wine and serial ports don't play nice together; but
what else can I do?? Besides, that, is, break down and virtualize instead
-- and yes, I am trying to get my head around that ...)
Gour
Beartooth> With wine-1.1.14-1 under Fedora 10, EasyGPS launches,
Beartooth> finds, and correctly identifies my Garmin GPS (something
Beartooth> Garmin's own software under wine still can't do); and it
Beartooth> tries to copy my waypoints. It even claims success; but then
Beartooth> it gives endless pop-ups (277 of them, at a guess -- the
Beartooth> number of waypoints it says I have). By the time you close
Beartooth> all those, it crashes; and on re-launch, it has no waypoints.
Have you tried http://www.qlandkarte.org/ ?
Sincerely,
Gour
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Beartooth
[...]
> Have you tried http://www.qlandkarte.org/ ?
Two or three times, yes, alas!, and found it always over my head;
but I see by that site that there's a new thing called GT, described as
"it's [sic!] target users are more on the consumer side than on the
scientific one." That might, *might* be just what I need. Many thanks!
Beartooth
> Have you tried http://www.qlandkarte.org/ ?
I spoke too soon. Went to the download page, only to discover
it's source code only. You have to do all kinds of things far beyond me,
like make and build ...
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:04:22 +0100, Gour wrote:
>
> > Have you tried http://www.qlandkarte.org/ ?
>
> I spoke too soon. Went to the download page, only to discover
> it's source code only. You have to do all kinds of things far beyond
> me, like make and build ...
Hi
So what linux distro are you running?
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Beartooth
> So what linux distro are you running?
Fedora 10 -- doing yum update most days.
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:15:21 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>
> > So what linux distro are you running?
>
> Fedora 10 -- doing yum update most days.
Hi
It should be available via your updates, not sure if your running 32 or
64bit;
<download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/
<x86_64/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.x86_64.rpm>
<i386/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386.rpm>
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Beartooth
> It should be available via your updates, not sure if your running 32 or
> 64bit;
32, I think
> <download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/
> <x86_64/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.x86_64.rpm>
> <i386/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386.rpm>
I don't know what any of that means. But I did try "yum install
qlandkarte." It got something : rpm -q says
qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386 ; I hope this is not the supposedly user-
friendly GT version!
I found the launcher, got it up, and pointed it at the Garmin
folder in my .wine.
It sees a huge number of .img files, none of whose names mean a
thing to me; it will display any one of them, but not go off its edges.
So, when I do hit something I can identify, I have no way, afaict, to get
here from there.
Nor have I yet figured out how to make it talk to a GPS, much
less download data from it.
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:56:34 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>
> > It should be available via your updates, not sure if your running
> > 32 or 64bit;
>
> 32, I think
>
> > <download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/
> > <x86_64/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.x86_64.rpm>
> > <i386/qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386.rpm>
>
> I don't know what any of that means. But I did try "yum
> install qlandkarte." It got something : rpm -q says
> qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386 ; I hope this is not the supposedly user-
> friendly GT version!
>
> I found the launcher, got it up, and pointed it at the Garmin
> folder in my .wine.
>
> It sees a huge number of .img files, none of whose names mean
> a thing to me; it will display any one of them, but not go off its
> edges. So, when I do hit something I can identify, I have no way,
> afaict, to get here from there.
>
> Nor have I yet figured out how to make it talk to a GPS, much
> less download data from it.
Hi
I use gpsd and the gpsd clients as well as tangogps, gpsbabel is
probably a good one for you to try out for a start.
If I use gpsbabel I have to make a udev rule change for it to work, but
I can just use netcat to obtain raw data if I need to and parse it
through gpsbabel.
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Gour
Beartooth> Two or three times, yes, alas!, and found it always over
Beartooth> my head; but I see by that site that there's a new thing
Beartooth> called GT, described as "it's [sic!] target users are more on
Beartooth> the consumer side than on the scientific one." That might,
Beartooth> *might* be just what I need. Many thanks!
Yes, GT is the way to go. The old package is deprecated...
Good luck ;)=
Gour
Beartooth> I don't know what any of that means. But I did try "yum
Beartooth> install qlandkarte." It got something : rpm -q says
Beartooth> qlandkarte-0.7.4-1.fc10.i386 ; I hope this is not the
Beartooth> supposedly user- friendly GT version!
True. QlandkarteGT is at 0.10 version.
Here is the
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qlandkarte-users
mailing lists where you can ask if someone prepared Fedora package.
Beartooth> It sees a huge number of .img files, none of whose names
Beartooth> mean a thing to me; it will display any one of them, but not
Beartooth> go off its edges. So, when I do hit something I can
Beartooth> identify, I have no way, afaict, to get here from there.
GT version does not load *.img files, but works with *.tdb file which
can be produced with e.g. mggmap tool -
http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/main.
Beartooth
[....]
> I use gpsd and the gpsd clients as well as tangogps, gpsbabel is
> probably a good one for you to try out for a start.
>
> If I use gpsbabel I have to make a udev rule change for it to work, but
> I can just use netcat to obtain raw data if I need to and parse it
> through gpsbabel.
You're waa-aa-aayy outta my league. The above reminds me of the
time in college when another math major, the brightest one I knew, once
told me he had worked all afternoon on Claude Chevalley's book Lie
Groups, and felt like he was really getting a lot done; so he looked back
to see how much. He had covered a page and a half.
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:01:04 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
> [....]
> > I use gpsd and the gpsd clients as well as tangogps, gpsbabel is
> > probably a good one for you to try out for a start.
> >
> > If I use gpsbabel I have to make a udev rule change for it to work,
> > but I can just use netcat to obtain raw data if I need to and parse
> > it through gpsbabel.
>
> You're waa-aa-aayy outta my league. The above reminds me of
> the time in college when another math major, the brightest one I
> knew, once told me he had worked all afternoon on Claude Chevalley's
> book Lie Groups, and felt like he was really getting a lot done; so
> he looked back to see how much. He had covered a page and a half.
>
>
>
Hi
Now that reading is waa-aa-aayy out of my league....LOL Matrix Reloaded
even....
If you install gpsd and gpsd-clients, run the command from a shell;
sudo gpsd -N -D2 -n /dev/ttyS0
Have a look at the man page, but basically the -N keeps it in the
foreground and -D2 provides some debug info. If you get output then
that's a start.... try running xgps in another shell and you should see
a representation of the satellite search going on.
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Beartooth
[...]
> Here is the
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qlandkarte-users
>
> mailing lists where you can ask if someone prepared Fedora package.
It wouldn't let me subscribe, calling my address insecure --
whatever that means. :-{
But I did think, after a while, to try "yum install qlandkartegt"
-- jackpot!
And I also found what I think must be the same list on Gmane; so
I can at least read it, even if not post. (Is there a separate one for
GT, perchance? I didn't see one.)
Beartooth
> If you install gpsd and gpsd-clients, run the command from a shell;
Basic question : iirc, some years back, I got and tried to run
gpsd -- and only then discovered it was designed to be used only in a
moving vehicle. Has that changed?? Or am I conflating it with some other
software? Remember my use is strictly topo maps : I want game trails,
squirrel dens, good sitting rocks -- that kind of stuff. Any motion
requirement kills it for me, right there.
Malcolm
Beartooth <Bear...@swva.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:44:47 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>
> > If you install gpsd and gpsd-clients, run the command from a shell;
>
> Basic question : iirc, some years back, I got and tried to
> run gpsd -- and only then discovered it was designed to be used only
> in a moving vehicle. Has that changed?? Or am I conflating it with
> some other software? Remember my use is strictly topo maps : I want
> game trails, squirrel dens, good sitting rocks -- that kind of stuff.
> Any motion requirement kills it for me, right there.
>
Correct, is only for movement. But also good for checking out gps
data, satellites etc :) Oh I have topo maps on my Nuvi 260 as well :)
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