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MrGneissGuy

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:27:23 AM12/5/08
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Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.

http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe


Retired VIP

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Dec 5, 2008, 1:40:46 PM12/5/08
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Hmmmmm......I wonder if this could be a Trojan???? Somebody please
down load and run the .exe file to find out??? hehehehe

I wonder if he thinks anyone here is stupid enough to be drawn in by
this crap?

Jack j

MrGneissGuy

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Dec 5, 2008, 2:10:11 PM12/5/08
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I appreciate skepticism, but you're calling this program crap without
knowing anything about it. You didn't even download it, so how can you
legitimately judge it? Run in in a sandbox for all I care, I'm just trying
to help some people out.


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Kevin Weaver

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:23:18 PM12/5/08
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It works.


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Blank

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:36:57 PM12/5/08
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Scanned with Norton 360 V2 and also SpySweeper with antivirus,
checks clean, and does seem to generate a serial number. I
don't know if they're valid numbers or not- I have no need
to test it. All my stuff is legit.

In article <k9tij4pmhvgs7snge...@4ax.com>,
jackj.ext...@windstream.net says...

Colin Wilson

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:50:20 PM12/5/08
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> Scanned with Norton 360 V2 and also SpySweeper with antivirus,
> checks clean, and does seem to generate a serial number. I
> don't know if they're valid numbers or not- I have no need
> to test it. All my stuff is legit.

A-Squared Found not-a-Virus.Keygen.Garmin!IK
AntiVir Found nothing
ArcaVir Found nothing
Avast Found nothing
AVG Antivirus Found nothing
BitDefender Found nothing
ClamAV Found nothing
CPsecure Found Troj.GameThief.W32.WOW.bwa
Dr.Web Found nothing
F-Prot Antivirus Found nothing
F-Secure Anti-Virus Found nothing
G DATA Found nothing
Ikarus Found Trojan-Downloader.Delphi
Kaspersky Anti-Virus Found nothing
NOD32 Found nothing
Norman Virus Control Found nothing
Panda Antivirus Found nothing
Sophos Antivirus Found nothing
VirusBuster Found nothing
VBA32 Found nothing

MrGneissGuy

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:52:06 PM12/5/08
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You can add seriel numbers in mapsource for installed products. In 6.14.1,
goto to Utilitues>Managa Map products and click on the "Unlock Regions" tab.
Click "Add" and enter the generated key.

This is especially useful if you have already bought some map products and
want to use them on more than one GPS without paying again.
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MrGneissGuy

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Dec 5, 2008, 3:58:28 PM12/5/08
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2/20 positives. Alos note that two of the best AV's (Kaspersky and NOD32)
found nothing.

"Colin Wilson" <REMOVEEVERYTHI...@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.co.uk> wrote
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Steve Calvin

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Dec 5, 2008, 4:58:29 PM12/5/08
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MrGneissGuy wrote:
> You can add seriel numbers in mapsource for installed products. In 6.14.1,
> goto to Utilitues>Managa Map products and click on the "Unlock Regions" tab.
> Click "Add" and enter the generated key.
>

Not to start the age old thread but..... So, you're a thief and
promoting thievery. Speaks volumes regarding your character.


No better than a lowlife shoplifter.

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Kevin Weaver

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Dec 5, 2008, 6:06:51 PM12/5/08
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"Steve Calvin" <cal...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Have you ever bought a newer map for your Garmin unit ? I have.

Not much was changed. Streets were not added to the new one. These streets
were 9 months old.

Yes, I paid for it. Never again.

I just checked the new 2009 maps and the streets are still not listed. It
still shows me driving in a blank map. Yes I advised Garmin about it last
year.
I wont waste my time doing that again.

Don't get me started about there non-reply to tech support email I sent them
a few weeks ago.

midnightwriter

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Dec 5, 2008, 6:08:17 PM12/5/08
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thanks for this...I appreciate your effort

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Colin Wilson

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Dec 5, 2008, 6:42:44 PM12/5/08
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> 2/20 positives. Alos note that two of the best AV's (Kaspersky and NOD32)
> found nothing.

3, but let's not argue the point !

If I needed a key generating, I might be tempted to try it, but only
in a sandbox / virtual machine (as you suggested yourself IIRC)

As it is, I own http://www.garminsuck.com so you can imagine my
feelings about them already.

I'd also like to point out that the likes of MetroWizzz also exists:

http://www.geodude.nl/community/content/view/19/36/

But who cares, I now use TomTom :-)

Bert Hyman

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Dec 5, 2008, 7:15:53 PM12/5/08
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In news:fui_k.9377$c45....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com "Kevin Weaver"
<kevinkei...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes, I paid for it. Never again.

Does that mean you're just not going to ever again upgrade your maps, or
that you plan to steal them in the future?

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Lon

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Dec 5, 2008, 8:03:36 PM12/5/08
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Bullcrap

Anyone interested can download it to a safe box and run unix "strings"
against it.

If you trust your computers security software, you can also just open it
in spybot Filealayzer.


Perhaps Mr Gneiss Guy can explain the presence of all the HTML spam for
Rapidshare in the file. Wonder if Gneiss Guy knows what gneiss is, or
is the author in the html header Saso Nikolov or just some random idiot
stupid enough to post it here?

Lon

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Dec 5, 2008, 8:07:19 PM12/5/08
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MrGneissGuy wrote:
> 2/20 positives. Alos note that two of the best AV's (Kaspersky and NOD32)
> found nothing.

It isnt spyware, its cruftware. Care to explain this stuff in that file?

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Tuck

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What version is that KeyGenerator ?

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MrGneissGuy

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What can I say, I'm a poor college student yet still want nice things.

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Kevin Weaver

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Steal. They took my money and after I told them of the problem they said we
can't refund.

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Steve Calvin

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Kevin Weaver wrote:
>
> "Steve Calvin" <cal...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4939a406$0$14301$607e...@cv.net...
>> MrGneissGuy wrote:
>>> You can add seriel numbers in mapsource for installed products. In
>>> 6.14.1, goto to Utilitues>Managa Map products and click on the
>>> "Unlock Regions" tab. Click "Add" and enter the generated key.
>>>
>>
>> Not to start the age old thread but..... So, you're a thief and
>> promoting thievery. Speaks volumes regarding your character.
>>
>>
>> No better than a lowlife shoplifter.
>
> Have you ever bought a newer map for your Garmin unit ? I have.

no, I never had the need.

Steve Calvin

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Then get a fucking job asshole

MrGneissGuy

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Dec 6, 2008, 10:07:47 AM12/6/08
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Oh I have one thank you. But I find it more cost effective to pay $30/month
for unlimited usenet access than paying for each piece of intellectual
property that I fancy.

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Unknown

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Dec 6, 2008, 10:18:41 AM12/6/08
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It is a real Key Gen and it is virus free. If your not sure then just
run it sand boxed to isolate it from your OS.

Nige

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TOP POSTING CUNT.

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Nige,

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BMW K1200S
Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3
BMW F800GS


MrGneissGuy

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LOL! I'm not a female.
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Retired VIP

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Now that is very interesting! I wonder if the 2 positives are
false-positives or if the others are failing to detect the Trojan?
They each list a different Trojan name but could it be the same
Trojan?

Jack j

MrGneissGuy

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Dec 6, 2008, 12:49:43 PM12/6/08
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hehe, what's wrong? You an anti-piracy fanatic?

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>
> In article <idmdnac1TYsPMKfU...@giganews.com>,


> "MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > TOP POSTING CUNT.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Nige,
>> >
>> > Range Rover Td6 Vogue
>> > BMW K1200S
>> > Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3
>> > BMW F800GS
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> LOL! I'm not a female.
>

> You're still a cunt.


Say What!?

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Dec 6, 2008, 2:46:12 PM12/6/08
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Its assholes like you that will ruin it everyone including yourself. Garmin
becomes aware and they change their algorithm. Keep this cracks on P2P and
other crack forums if you want to help people, asshole.

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Say What!?

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Nige wrote:

YOU'RE NO FUCKEN BETTER. U DONT SNIP YOUR POSTS. SO, STFU!


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David

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That is because you downloaded the link directly to a file, rather than
following the link to the rapidshare website.

The file you have is not an executable but is actually the rapidshare
web page.

David

Colin Wilson

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> >But who cares, I now use TomTom :-)
> Strange. I just upgraded from Tomtom to Garmin.

Are you in the US ? - I tend to prefer TomTom in the UK.

Colin Wilson

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> Its assholes like you that will ruin it everyone including yourself. Garmin
> becomes aware and they change their algorithm.

Perhaps, but for the current releases, if it works (I have no desire
to try it) it'll make a lot of formerly pissed off customers a little
less resentful against Garmin.

Remember it was Garmin who changed their map update policy and
specifically excluded people who bought a "new" GPS with the old
version of the software, and they refused to allow them to update.

For this reason alone: FUCK GARMIN

The other, my personal gripe, is their map sales policy.

MrGneissGuy

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Dec 6, 2008, 5:58:10 PM12/6/08
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Come now, give me more credit than that. A dozen credit cards? I don't
believe in credit, it gets people into trouble. If I can't afford a
tangible item, I go without. If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> (top posting fixed)
>
> In article <ssqdnXAlS9LRJqfU...@giganews.com>,

> "MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>> >> LOL! I'm not a female.
>> >
>> > You're still a cunt.
>>
>> hehe, what's wrong? You an anti-piracy fanatic?
>
> Your attitude of "I can't afford it, but I still want it" shows you to
> be a cunt.
>
> Next stop: 7-11s and banks. Or a dozen credit cards and bankruptcy.
> "<whine>I want it, I want it, I want it..."


MrGneissGuy

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Dec 6, 2008, 6:01:17 PM12/6/08
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You think that Garmin isn't aware of this keygen's existance? I know for a
fact that they are, so if they change the algorithm in future releases it
won't be my fault.
"Say What!?" <st...@stfu.com> wrote in message
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Bert Hyman

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In news:Reidnbzv4LESnqbU...@giganews.com "MrGneissGuy"
<MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:

> If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!
>

Why do you restrict your thievery to "digital items"?

Steve Calvin

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Dec 6, 2008, 6:51:51 PM12/6/08
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MrGneissGuy wrote:
> Come now, give me more credit than that. A dozen credit cards? I don't
> believe in credit, it gets people into trouble. If I can't afford a
> tangible item, I go without. If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!

No, you're a fucking thief. In your peabrain though, you don't see it.
You can justify it because you're above everone elses rules and you
should get something just because you want it. Forget having to actually
WORK for anything. Your age group is the ULTIMATE "ME" generation. ME ME
ME, why? Because I'm ME, and I deserve it!

slo...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 6, 6:46 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:Reidnbzv4LESnqbU...@giganews.com"MrGneissGuy"

>
> <MrGneiss...@fake.com> wrote:
> > If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!
>
> Why do you restrict your thievery to "digital items"?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...@iphouse.com

slo...@hotmail.com

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On Dec 6, 6:46 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:Reidnbzv4LESnqbU...@giganews.com"MrGneissGuy"
>
> <MrGneiss...@fake.com> wrote:
> > If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!
>
> Why do you restrict your thievery to "digital items"?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...@iphouse.com

Because someone could think,if i am sitting at my home how could i be
stealing ?

Lon

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Dec 6, 2008, 7:45:41 PM12/6/08
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <u9SdnRtVwtPPaaTU...@giganews.com>,

> "MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:
>
>> What can I say, I'm a poor college student yet still want nice things.
>
> Ah. And so goes the US economy.
>
> "I can't afford it, but I still want it--and feel I'm entitled to it."
>
> Enjoy your credit card bills.
>
> Hey, here's a college class you could take: enjoying what you have and
> earning what you want.

Remedial Ethics 101
Criminal Law 101
Remedial Honesty 101
Whine Prevention 201

HomerH

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"MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote in
news:oOSdnSvaVZ9peKXU...@giganews.com:

> Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe
>
>

This is a stupid waste. Besides being illegal, you have to buy map to even
download it so what use is a key gen without access to the maps?

MrGneissGuy

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"Steve Calvin" <cal...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> MrGneissGuy wrote:
>> Come now, give me more credit than that. A dozen credit cards? I don't
>> believe in credit, it gets people into trouble. If I can't afford a
>> tangible item, I go without. If I can't afford a digital item, I
>> DOWNLOAD!
>
> No, you're a fucking thief. In your peabrain though, you don't see it.

Wrong, I see it. I know it's unethical and illegal. I just don't care.

I'm not justifying anything, I - DON'T - CARE
:D


MrGneissGuy

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if you have more than one gps then this will unlock the maps for the others.
If you only have one and don't have the maps, do a google search for "garmin
<mapname> rapidshare" without the quotes.
"HomerH" <homerh...@123.org> wrote in message
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Steve Calvin

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Dec 6, 2008, 8:13:27 PM12/6/08
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ok... that sums it up - TROLL and I sincerely apologize to the rest of
the members of the group for falling for it... so I'll wish this asshole
to FOAD and promptly add IT to my killfile.

My sincerest apologies to the DECENT members of the group.

Tuck

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....... or you go to : http://www.the.piratebay.org and simply search
for Garmin !!!! :)

"MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote in message

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Tuck

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uppssssss............ Misspelled URL :

http://www.thepiratebay.org

Sorry ! :)

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Retired VIP

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:45:41 -0700, Lon <lon.s...@comcast.net>
wrote:

A passing grade in any one of the above will disqualify you for upper
management with almost every large company.

Jack j

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TulsaOK

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Xns9B6CB4D092B...@216.250.184.7>,

> Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> In news:Reidnbzv4LESnqbU...@giganews.com "MrGneissGuy"
>> <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I can't afford a digital item, I DOWNLOAD!
>>>
>> Why do you restrict your thievery to "digital items"?
>
> don't worry, that won't last. He'll soon see his peers able to earn
> tangible things, and he'll want them--nay, "feel entitled" to them
> simply because his peers have them--and next thing you know, it's either
> credit card debt, fraud, or outright thievery.

He only has two to go then.

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Nunya Bidness

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Dec 7, 2008, 7:27:05 PM12/7/08
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In article <8l4oj4pr59ae3ip0t...@4ax.com>,
al...@nospam.net says...

> >Are you in the US ? - I tend to prefer TomTom in the UK.
>
> Yes, the US
>
> I liked the tomtom, but it was limited in comparison to the Nuve, plus
> the maps are a lot more money.
>
> Tom

I tried a TomTom before switching to a Garmin. I got sick
and tired of the TomTom telling me to "make a U-turn". It
was particularly annoying because 95% of the time it was
WRONG! And it would -not- eventually figure out that I was
not going to take it's incorrect advice and automatically
adjust it's route.

My Garmin C-330 doesn't have this issue.

Colin Wilson

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Dec 8, 2008, 4:41:09 PM12/8/08
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> My Garmin C-330 doesn't have this issue.

My 2610 had a penchant for telling me to turn off a freeway into a
field, where no road existed...

It also sucks in rural areas, and likes to try to send you up gated
dirt tracks because they have it flagged as a road (UK).

MrGneissGuy

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Total Number of downloads of this program has reached 170.

Aparently I'm not the only thief here.


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sierra

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To put all the above into perspective, the following video from a
recent conference discusses the cost of map upgrades:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6fmygj

Nunya Bidness

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In article <aaa480a0-0276-4032-b347-06a22ab597e3
@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, cfhu...@hotmail.com says...
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/6fmygj

I hope he's right and the price does come down!

Russell Patterson

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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:27:23 -0500, "MrGneissGuy"
<MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:

>Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>
>http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe
>

Those of you that complain about thievery can maybe answer this
conundrum:
Garmin XT for PDAs is sold by Garmin only on a 2GB micro SD card. They
state on their web site:

"Note: Due to proprietary and security reasons, it is not possible to
transfer your Garmin Mobile XT data to a larger card."

They do not offer it in a larger SD card. So my question is this: If
you purchase the 2GB card and through other means available that
someone has posted on the internet, copy it to a larger SD card, would
that also be stealing?

Retired VIP

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Dec 19, 2008, 7:42:02 PM12/19/08
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:47:53 -0500, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:

I think that according to the law, it would be stealing. You can't
buy software, only a license to use that software. Microsoft
pioneered this concept and it has been upheld in USofA courts. So if
the publishing house owns the software and they only sell you the
license, they can, through restrictions in the license, dictate where
and how you are licensed to use the software.

A strange concept. If your computer uses Windows, you don't own the
OS. You own a license to use Windows, not the OS itself. You can't
legally sell it or even give it away when you dispose of the computer.
You can't even install it on a replacement computer.

Jack j

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Kevin Weaver

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"Retired VIP" <jackj.ext...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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Yes you can legally sell your lic of a Microsoft product as long as it is
removed from the org computer it was installed on.


Retired VIP

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:04:43 -0500, la...@larryryan.net wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:42:02 GMT, Retired VIP
><jackj.ext...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>A strange concept. If your computer uses Windows, you don't own the
>>OS. You own a license to use Windows, not the OS itself. You can't
>>legally sell it or even give it away when you dispose of the computer.
>>You can't even install it on a replacement computer.
>>
>>Jack j
>

>I am not a lawyer and don't know how this would be ruled on in a court
>of law. I have, what I consider a new computer. It is an older case,
>power supply, one old H/D one old DVD burner and a new mother board,
>H/D and DVD burner. Old keyboard and mouse also. Microsoft support
>helped me to register it online when I changed the parts. In my
>opinion I have every right to run the Windows I purchased before the
>mother board died.
>
>Was the Microsoft support person helping me steal?

Read the license agreement. It will spell out your rights and what
you can and can't do with the software. As for your computer, maybe
the support person considered your computer to be a repaired and
upgraded computer and not a new one.

Jack j

Retired VIP

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Dec 20, 2008, 8:17:07 AM12/20/08
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Read the license agreement, it will tell you if you can sell your
license. I think you will find that you can't transfer the license to
another person or computer.

Jack j

Jack Erbes

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Dec 20, 2008, 11:27:12 AM12/20/08
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Russell Patterson wrote:
<snip>

> Those of you that complain about thievery can maybe answer this
> conundrum:
> Garmin XT for PDAs is sold by Garmin only on a 2GB micro SD card. They
> state on their web site:
>
> "Note: Due to proprietary and security reasons, it is not possible to
> transfer your Garmin Mobile XT data to a larger card."
>
> They do not offer it in a larger SD card. So my question is this: If
> you purchase the 2GB card and through other means available that
> someone has posted on the internet, copy it to a larger SD card, would
> that also be stealing?
>

I would do that in a heartbeat without having any qualms about the
legality if I were working to meet my personal needs and standards of
satisfaction.

Copying my legally owned version of Garmin XT to a larger card to meet
my personal requirements for storing additional data for Garmin XT or
data for other applications that are sharing the card simply lets me get
on with life. And, to some extent, it compensates for either a lack of
foresight on Garmin's part or some level of technical incompetence in
Garmin's software development.

For Garmin to not understand that it is not realistic for users to want
to allow a single card to occupy the only available expansion memory
slot, and thereby block all further use of expanded memory on the
device, is pretty stupid programming on Garmin's part.

And what would be even stupider would be for Garmin to pursue the
legality of a person doing it they owned a legal copy of Garmin XT. I
mean Garmin has made the profit from the sale, and it costs them nothing
to ignore the fact that people are finding work arounds to counter
Garmin's lack of foresight.

Garmin has a long history of being generally ignorant as to how their
products are actually used and do not seem to base any software fixes or
designs on the needs and desires of their customer base. They develop
their products in a communications vacuum that seems to exclude even the
other components of their own organization. And that sucks!

Jack

DaveG

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Dec 20, 2008, 11:24:09 AM12/20/08
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:13:40 +0000, Retired VIP wrote:

> Read the license agreement. It will spell out your rights and what you
> can and can't do with the software.

Which may or may not be legally enforceable over and above the consumers
rights and contract law. Most EULAs are such convoluted legalese that
they basically boil down to not allowing you do anything their lawyers
would prefer you not to do so they can make more profit. Some of it, if
taken to court, would likely end up being classed as unfair terms and
conditions which could conceivable make the whole contract null and void.

> As for your computer, maybe the
> support person considered your computer to be a repaired and upgraded
> computer and not a new one.

IIRC you can legally buy a new, cheaper, OEM MS Windows with a new mouse
so by definition, so long as you keep that same mouse you are "safe", even
against the MS EULA :-)
(For "mouse", replace with bit of hardware of your choice.)

All of the above is based on what I remember of UK consumer protection
laws. It may be different in other jurisdictions.

IANAL and did not research this just for this post but based it what I
remember, which may wrong.

The value of the information may go down as well as up.

Do not use this as security on your home as you may lose it.

--
My idea of an agreeable person
is a person who agrees with me.
- Benjamin Disraeli(1804 - 1881)

DaveG

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:17:07 +0000, Retired VIP wrote:

> Read the license agreement, it will tell you if you can sell your
> license. I think you will find that you can't transfer the license to
> another person or computer.

And in the UK, at least, that is not a legally enforceable term otherwise
all those shops and internet sites selling "pre-used" software would not
only be out of business, but get raided by the police.

Steve Calvin

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Well, that's certainly not true according to Garmin. I had a 76CS when I
bought my 76CSx. I sold my CS to a friend of mine WITH my copy of
mapsource. We calle Garmin, told the rep what we were doing - she said
"no problem, I'll transfer the hardware and software to... xxxxx"

And yes, I bought CN for the 76CSx.

As to the question regarding moving data to a larger micro card. IF you
PAID for the original software and are only using it on the single
intended device then no, I would not consider that theft. If you
give/sell it to someone else or use it on multiple systems, then
obviously yes, it is theft.

I view that in the same light as the topos I bought from Garmin. The doc
says that they have to be used on the CDs. Not true if you know how to
do some simple regedits. So I have them on my harddrive. One copy, one
GPS. Do I view that as theft? No.

Kevin Weaver

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"Retired VIP" <jackj.ext...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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Call Microsoft. I did. That's what they told me.

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:14:09 -0600, Joel <Jo...@NoSpam.plz> wrote:

>Retired VIP <jackj.ext...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:47:53 -0500, Russell Patterson <m...@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:27:23 -0500, "MrGneissGuy"
>> ><MrGne...@fake.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>> >>
>>

>> I think that according to the law, it would be stealing. You can't
>> buy software, only a license to use that software. Microsoft
>> pioneered this concept and it has been upheld in USofA courts. So if
>> the publishing house owns the software and they only sell you the
>> license, they can, through restrictions in the license, dictate where
>> and how you are licensed to use the software.
>>
>> A strange concept. If your computer uses Windows, you don't own the
>> OS. You own a license to use Windows, not the OS itself. You can't
>> legally sell it or even give it away when you dispose of the computer.
>> You can't even install it on a replacement computer.
>>
>> Jack j
>

> I believe it's the law requires you to have your head exam before you harm
>others and yourself. Do you know what SD MAP is?

Hmmm.... My head was examined just last month, they didn't find
anything.

Look asshole, I didn't write the bill. I didn't pass the bill. I
didn't sign the bill into law and I don't enforce the law. All I'm
doing is telling you what you could learn for yourself if you'd just
make the effort and read the license agreement you had to accept in
order to use the software.

As for an "SD MAP", I don't think there is any such thing. I know
what a Secure Digital card is and I know what a map is but I've never
heard of an "Secure Digital Map". Where would I find one and what
would it look like?

Jack j

Strongbox

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Dec 21, 2008, 1:32:58 PM12/21/08
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:42:02 GMT, Retired VIP wrote:

> A strange concept. If your computer uses Windows, you don't own the
> OS. You own a license to use Windows, not the OS itself. You can't
> legally sell it or even give it away when you dispose of the computer.
> You can't even install it on a replacement computer.

I bought a new compaq PC for my wife with Vista installed. Since Vista
sucks (IMO) I erased the hard drive and installed XP with no problems.

I believe this is legal since the old PC was scrapped with a wiped hard
drive. I simply transferred XP to the new one. I am still only using the
XP copy with one PC.

Steve Calvin

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Dec 21, 2008, 2:24:54 PM12/21/08
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ok... am I missing something?? This IS a garmin usenet group isn't it??
Or are my eyes going so bad that I can't distinguish "Microsoft Windows"
from Garmin? ;-)

I believe the OP's question dealt with Garmin not Micro$oft.

Strongbox

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Dec 21, 2008, 5:01:45 PM12/21/08
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Sorry. The thread moved into the legality of transferring software from one
device to another.

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Rev Bob

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Dec 27, 2008, 2:49:12 PM12/27/08
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On Dec 5, 3:27 am, "MrGneissGuy" <MrGneiss...@fake.com> wrote:
> Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe

This does not have the option for City Nav 2009. I purchased a used
2610 and cannot get an unlock code because the previous owner
registered it and you need to register to get an unlock code. I
cannot locate the previous owner to "unregister".

I understand this is a theft deterrent, but how about legit used
sales?

B

Michael Jaeger

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Dec 27, 2008, 4:19:17 PM12/27/08
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B,

didn't the previous owner pass on the mygarmin registration account to
you?
If yes, look under "maps" und you should find all the information you
need.
How about a sales contract? No address, phone numer? Address?
Have you considered calling Garmin?

Mike

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.majaeger.de
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Rev Bob

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Dec 27, 2008, 6:18:54 PM12/27/08
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On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, "Michael Jaeger" <michael.a.jae...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Rev Bob wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 3:27 am, "MrGneissGuy" <MrGneiss...@fake.com> wrote:
> >> Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>
> >>http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe
>
> > This does not have the option for City Nav 2009.  I purchased a used
> > 2610 and cannot get an unlock code because the previous owner
> > registered it and you need to register to get an unlock code.  I
> > cannot locate the previous owner to "unregister".
>
> > I understand this is a theft deterrent, but how about legit used
> > sales?
>
>  B,
>
> didn't the previous owner pass on the mygarmin registration account to
> you?

No, I did not know it was needed.

> If yes, look under "maps" und you should find all the information you
> need.
> How about a sales contract?

Sales contract? No sales contract when you buy a used item from a
private person normally.

No address, phone numer? Address?
> Have you considered calling Garmin?

What other consumer product requires such hoop-jumping?


>
> Mike
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~www.majaeger.de

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Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 3:46:00 AM12/28/08
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Rev Bob wrote:
> On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, "Michael Jaeger" <michael.a.jae...@gmx.de> wrote:

snip


>> didn't the previous owner pass on the mygarmin registration account
>> to you?
>
> No, I did not know it was needed.

You did know that it *existed*?


>
>> If yes, look under "maps" und you should find all the information you
>> need.
>> How about a sales contract?
>
> Sales contract? No sales contract when you buy a used item from a
> private person normally.

Why not? You may wish to store the name, address, telephone number of
the seller in case a question may arise.

> No address, phone numer? Address?
>> Have you considered calling Garmin?
>
> What other consumer product requires such hoop-jumping?

It doesn't, but it may be of help in situations like yours.

Hope you find a solution.

Mike

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 3:42:48 AM12/28/08
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Joel wrote:

> "Michael Jaeger" <michael....@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> didn't the previous owner pass on the mygarmin registration account
>> to you?
>> If yes, look under "maps" und you should find all the information you
>> need.
>> How about a sales contract? No address, phone numer? Address?
>> Have you considered calling Garmin?
>>
>> Mike
>
> Me? because Garmin is very stupid about marketing or their copy
> protection sux. So I would say *if* Garmin refuse to improve their
> supporting, treating customer nicer I would say go for the warez
> version instead.

sorry to hear that, but Garmin Germany seems to be different somehow. A
week ago I had to call them about some minor problem and their help was
quick and precise.
>
> I remember few years ago when I needed to change different Map Area
> for my older Street Pilot III (I have 2 128MB Data memory cards) and
> it took me awhile to remember the registration Name and Password to
> be able to activate the older City Navigator v4.01
>
I would not rely on *my* memory - I write it down and keep it in a safe
place :-)

> Yes, Garmin still had the information (after many years), but they
> haven't figured out that customers may not remember after years.
> BTW, it was so close to the day I had to drive across 2-3 states, and
> I was pretty mad at Garmin.

I can understand that.

Happy New Year.

noone cares

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Dec 28, 2008, 7:27:17 AM12/28/08
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there exists a program that you run that will remove the lock from
each map individually, and allow it to be loaded. good luck.

Rev Bob

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Dec 28, 2008, 8:26:19 AM12/28/08
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In this case, I purchased a used 2610 from a seller on ebay. He
purchased it also on ebay 3 or so years ago with CIty Nav 5. He was
happy with that and never upgraded. Now I bought it from him on ebay
and want to load City Nav 2009. He has no record of who he bought it
from years ago.

Let's assume the best and say it is not stolen, just resold from user
to user.

Now I cannot register and get an unlock code for City Nav 2009.

Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 9:29:25 AM12/28/08
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Rev Bob wrote:
> On Dec 28, 3:46 am, "Michael Jaeger" <michael.a.jae...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Rev Bob wrote:

snip

> In this case, I purchased a used 2610 from a seller on ebay. He
> purchased it also on ebay 3 or so years ago with CIty Nav 5. He was
> happy with that and never upgraded. Now I bought it from him on ebay
> and want to load City Nav 2009. He has no record of who he bought it
> from years ago.
>
> Let's assume the best and say it is not stolen, just resold from user
> to user.
>
> Now I cannot register and get an unlock code for City Nav 2009.

Rev Bob,

I can think of only two ways to advise you:

1) call Garmin, explain your registration/update problem, have the
*device* registration number ready, and you *may* receive an update at
about $ 75.

2) forget about calling Garmin and buy the full mapping software CN
America 2009 for probably $ 150 (check certified Garmin dealers or
stores for the exact price/discount).

But be advised that CN 2009 has changed - it does no longer come in the
*img-format of previous versions, now it has got the *.gmp format.
Consequently, the new MapSource 6.14.1 installs on your PC, and I know
many - including myself - who are extremely disappointed at its speed
and design.

So, before you make a final decision take into account updating to CN
America 2008.
One final hint: the Streetpilot 2610 is a great device, I'd had it for
three years until I replaced it with the Zumo 550, but your 2610
*cannot* read the NT maps - you need the classic version.

Good luck

Mike

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 9:31:35 AM12/28/08
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noone cares wrote:
> there exists a program that you run that will remove the lock from
> each map individually, and allow it to be loaded. good luck.
>

don't tell *me* - I'm not the original poster.

Moreover, I do not approve of illegal unlocking recommendations.

TulsaOK

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Dec 28, 2008, 10:27:40 AM12/28/08
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Michael Jaeger wrote:

> *cannot* read the NT maps - you need the classic version.
>
> Good luck
>
> Mike
>

What does the NT designate? CN = City Navigator?

Colin Wilson

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Dec 28, 2008, 11:17:11 AM12/28/08
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> What does the NT designate? CN = City Navigator?

CN is City Navigator, NT refers to a newer form of compression that
older units can't use.

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Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 10:53:12 AM12/28/08
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you are right: CN = City Navigator

NT - New Technology?

There are two versions of CN Europe 2009 on the German market, and some
devices cannot read the NT-version, for example the Garmin StreetPilot
2610. It needs the classic version.

Holger Issle

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Dec 28, 2008, 1:28:32 PM12/28/08
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Hi,

>1) call Garmin, explain your registration/update problem, have the
>*device* registration number ready

and get the unit unregistered. That is key.

>2) forget about calling Garmin and buy the full mapping software CN
>America 2009 for probably $ 150 (check certified Garmin dealers or
>stores for the exact price/discount).

That will not help since in the end the unit needs to be registered
and only then you can unlock the map to the unit. A good way of
hardware theft protection for the customer actually.
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Michael Jaeger

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Dec 28, 2008, 2:46:04 PM12/28/08
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Holger Issle wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> 1) call Garmin, explain your registration/update problem, have the
>> *device* registration number ready
>
> and get the unit unregistered. That is key.
>
>> 2) forget about calling Garmin and buy the full mapping software CN
>> America 2009 for probably $ 150 (check certified Garmin dealers or
>> stores for the exact price/discount).
>
> That will not help since in the end the unit needs to be registered
> and only then you can unlock the map to the unit. A good way of
> hardware theft protection for the customer actually.

OK, Holger,

if both of my suggestions may not help the OP, what is it that *you*
suggest?
Please note that I'm just trying to help :-)

Steve Calvin

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Dec 28, 2008, 3:54:14 PM12/28/08
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Michael Jaeger wrote:
> Holger Issle wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> 1) call Garmin, explain your registration/update problem, have the
>>> *device* registration number ready
>>
>> and get the unit unregistered. That is key.
>>
>>> 2) forget about calling Garmin and buy the full mapping software CN
>>> America 2009 for probably $ 150 (check certified Garmin dealers or
>>> stores for the exact price/discount).
>>
>> That will not help since in the end the unit needs to be registered
>> and only then you can unlock the map to the unit. A good way of
>> hardware theft protection for the customer actually.
>
> OK, Holger,
>
> if both of my suggestions may not help the OP, what is it that *you*
> suggest?
> Please note that I'm just trying to help :-)
>
> Mike
>

Assuming I understand the facts correctly, i.e. unit purchased off of
ebay, then resold to this poster off of ebay and the chain of ownership
is unknown in it's entirety and the transfer to the intermediate owner
was not documented with Garmin, then I suspect that you're right in your
options Michael.

When I sold my 76CS to a friend of mine, (I'd bought it new and of
course registered with Garmin) I called Garmin Support with Marty
present. After some simple verification questions so they knew that it
was actually me and me telling them that I was selling the unit and
software to him, they simply took his information and transfered
everything that I had to him - done, piece of cake - no problem, and no
problem ever since.

Is Garmin touchy regarding licensing? Yep. Should you KNOW THAT going
in? YEP. If you pay attention to what's going on and do your part, will
you have any problems? NOPE. Should you go illegal? NFW.

Colin Wilson

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Dec 28, 2008, 6:03:33 PM12/28/08
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> Should you go illegal? NFW.

If trying to pay them money for a legit licence doesn't get you the
support you deserve i.e. if the unit hasn't been flagged as stolen,
i'd say it *is* an (the only?) alternative. If trying to go legal is
harder than going illegal, Garmin have a problem.

FWIW i've just dropped the renewal of garminsuck.com but I think you
know my opinion of them.

I bought it in response to Garmin fucking me about over buying maps -
software alone shouldn't cost 50% more than a hardware device you
don't want or need that comes bundled with the same bloody software
you do want.

I ended up buying a bundle because it was cheaper, it still hasn't
been out of the box apart from the software - the cost of the device
and the domain name was cheaper than the software alone. Wankers.

I've said it before, i've moved to TomTom now, but...

Metrowizzz http://www.geodude.nl/community/content/view/19/36/

and

MetroGold http://www.geodude.nl/community/content/view/13/28/

...are probably the easiest and most cost effective way of acquiring
Garmin maps these days.

If Garmin don't want to support customers trying to give them money,
not only have they lost money in the short term, but those customers
will never return.

Holger Issle

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Dec 29, 2008, 3:28:47 AM12/29/08
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Hi,

>if both of my suggestions may not help the OP, what is it that *you*
>suggest?

Option 1 is key - Garmin needs to transfer ownership to the new owner
(of course only if the unit is not reported as stolen). So you were
right with your option one.

If they don't want to do it in Germany it is your right to modify the
device to enable it to work as designed (please don't ask me for a
legally correct translation). The judge ruling in the case I
remembered included explicitely to crack the copy protection (but it
was a case for an accounting solution, not a GPS).

So, in Germany I would suggest to document the ignorance of Garmin to
transfer ownership in writing (by sending paper mail with a reasonable
time to execute the action and supported by proof of purchase, maybe
sent by your lawyer). With that in mind the keygen (if it exists)
might be a way to go if Garmin doesn't transfer the ownership.

And yes, the Op should have asked to get ownership transfered or the
mygarmin account info with the device at the point of purchase. Still,
it can't be that Garmin is blocking aftermarkets in the hope to sell
more new units.

Colin Wilson

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Dec 29, 2008, 5:43:28 AM12/29/08
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> Still, it can't be that Garmin is blocking aftermarkets in the hope
> to sell more new units.

Nah, that'd be too much like the selective map sales they (used to?)
make to increase device sales.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN

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"HomerH" <homerh...@123.org> wrote in message
news:r4F_k.316767$4p1....@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
> "MrGneissGuy" <MrGne...@fake.com> wrote in
> news:oOSdnSvaVZ9peKXU...@giganews.com:


>
>> Use this key generator to generate seriel keys for Garmin maps.
>>
>> http://rapidshare.com/files/170417979/garmin_kgen.exe
>>
>>

> This is a stupid waste. Besides being illegal, you have to buy map to even
> download it so what use is a key gen without access to the maps?


Maps are available on thepiratebay.org.



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