Directions for keeping both MapSource 6.13.7 and 6.14.1
Jerry M
computer. Before updating to 6.14.1 find your Garmin folder and double
click on it. Off to the right in an open white space right click and
under new click create a new folder. I then named this
mapsource_old.exe. Find the MapSource exe which has the globe before
it and right click on it and click copy. Then move over to the new
folder you created and right click on it and click on paste. Now the
6.13.7 exe file is in this folder. I then doulble clicked this folder
to open up to see the 6.13.7 exe file and renamed it to MapSource
6.13.7. Then I right clicked on this file and created a short cut for
it on my desktop. Now when I updated to 6.14.1 I still can click on
the old 6.13.7 exe and open MapSource to this version. Then install
6.14.1 and you will have two different icons to click on. One on your
desktop with globe before it for 6.13.7 and the one with a 4 section
square for 6.14.1.
Jerry
PS you can open these 2 versions at the same time and compare how they
look.
Sam
: I read on another newsgroup how to keep both versions working on your
That's interesting. I haven't tried this but if the new mapsource
6.14.1.exe file is the exact same name then the path of 6.13.17 should
point to the new (6.14.1) files.
Jerry M
> That's interesting. I haven't tried this but if the new mapsource
> 6.14.1.exe file is the exact same name then the path of 6.13.17 should
> point to the new (6.14.1) files.
Sam I can tell you these instructions work. Try it is is cool
comparing the two versions.
Jerry
Bert Hyman
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> That's interesting. I haven't tried this but if the new mapsource
> 6.14.1.exe file is the exact same name then the path of 6.13.17
> should point to the new (6.14.1) files.
He changed the name of the old MapSource executable (leaving it in the
same directory) and created a new shortcut pointing to it.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@iphouse.com
Bert Hyman
news:9e83cdfe-14da-42ab...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
> Before updating to 6.14.1 find your Garmin folder and double
> click on it. Off to the right in an open white space right click and
> under new click create a new folder. I then named this
> mapsource_old.exe. Find the MapSource exe which has the globe before
> it and right click on it and click copy. Then move over to the new
> folder you created and right click on it and click on paste. Now the
> 6.13.7 exe file is in this folder.
This technique appears to have the old MapSource executable running
against any new DLLs that get installed with the new MapSource.
You're apparently getting away with this between 6.13.7 and 6.14.1,
but don't count on it.
Sam
Jerry, no doubt this works for you. Not sure why it does. Have a peek
of the properties of most shortcuts and you'll know what I mean:
"Target:", "Start In".
I would try this as an experiment, but it was a real bitch for me to get
old 6.13.17 back after installing 6.14.1. I don't have a test machine so
I don't want to risk anything further with the latest version. I'll wait
until Garmin releases a new version of Mapsource and I see the reviews
before installing it, unlike this time where I just assumed it would be
fine.
Jerry M
Apparently you have not tried it so don't knock it until you do.
6.13.7 IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE AND i DO HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS
UNDER EDIT PREFERENCES DISPLAY ESPECIALLY THE OPTION FOR SMALL SYMBOL
SIZE AS WHEN i SWITRCH TO 6.14.1 THE ICONS ARE ALL LARGE WITH NO
OPTION TO CHANGE IT UNDER DISPLAY PREFERENCES. I have done this on two
computers so do not tell me it does not work. Bert try it before you
count it out. As I said this has been tried by other users on other
gps newsgroups. Check it out. Number post is 36 in this forum. Sorry
about the caps. http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=199121
Jerry
Bert Hyman
> On Jul 25, 3:20 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> moorheadb...@aol.com (Jerry M) wrote
>> innews:9e83cdfe-14da-42ab-ae7b-5b0cc
> 24e...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Before updating to 6.14.1 find your Garmin folder and double
>> > click on it. Off to the right in an open white space right click
>> > and under new click create a new folder. I then named this
>> > mapsource_old.exe. Find the MapSource exe which has the globe
>> > before it and right click on it and click copy. Then move over to
>> > the new folder you created and right click on it and click on
>> > paste. Now the 6.13.7 exe file is in this folder.
>>
>> This technique appears to have the old MapSource executable running
>> against any new DLLs that get installed with the new MapSource.
>>
>> You're apparently getting away with this between 6.13.7 and 6.14.1,
>> but don't count on it.
>
> Apparently you have not tried it so don't knock it until you do.
I have no doubt that it's working for you now, just as you said.
> 6.13.7 IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE AND i DO HAVE ALL THE
> OPTIONS UNDER EDIT PREFERENCES DISPLAY ESPECIALLY THE OPTION FOR
> SMALL SYMBOL SIZE AS WHEN i SWITRCH TO 6.14.1 THE ICONS ARE ALL
> LARGE WITH NO OPTION TO CHANGE IT UNDER DISPLAY PREFERENCES. I have
> done this on two computers so do not tell me it does not work.
Never said that it didn't work for you now.
> Bert try it before you count it out. As I said this has been tried
> by other users on other gps newsgroups. Check it out.
No need.
> Number post is 36 in this forum.
Your article number is not my article number.
This is a USENET newsgroup, not a "forum."
> Sorry about the caps.
Then maybe you shouldn't use them :-)
I'm simply pointing out that you're using the old 6.13.7 executable
and the new 6.14.1 DLLs.
As I said, you're apparently getting away with that, but I wouldn't
count on that technique working with future versions.
Good luck.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@iphouse.com
Jerry M
Sam sorry you had so much trouble reinstalling 6.13.7. When I first
installed 6.14.1 I just went to add remove programs in windows xp and
remove garmin MapSource then I went to garmin folder and deleted the
MapSource exe file the one with the 4 section square before it then
reinstalled from 6.13.7 download file (http://www8.garmin.com/software/
MapSource_6137.exe )
After installing 6.13.7 this way then I did the instructions I
originaly posted and it worked super just like reported in other
forum.
Jerry
Jerry M
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://www8.garmin.com/software/MapSource_6137.exe
Link above is what I got previous version from.
Jerry
Dale Atkin
> and the new 6.14.1 DLLs.
>
> As I said, you're apparently getting away with that, but I wouldn't
> count on that technique working with future versions.
I agree. I'd say its luck more than anything that causes this to work (not
that its not reproducible), and that while it seems to work between 6.13.7
and 6.14.1, it may very well *not* work between some future 6.14 release or
some previous 6.13 release.
Dale
Jerry M
> I'm simply pointing out that you're using the old 6.13.7 executable
> and the new 6.14.1 DLLs.
>
> As I said, you're apparently getting away with that, but I wouldn't
> count on that technique working with future versions.
for 6.13.7. The DLLs listed now after updating to latest version is
for 6.14.1. They are there for other languages but since I will be
using English only I do not have to worry about the other languages.
That is why you do this copying of the old 6.13.7 exe before the
update to 6.14.1. Bye the way the only thing that does not work in
6.13.7 with both versions installed is the MapSource help under help.
But it is still in the Garmin folder with the white ? mark circled in
blue for MapSource help. Al you have to do to see this old help file
is double click on it Iin the Garmin folder.The new help file for
6.14.1 is also there in this Garmin folder
Jerry
Dale Atkin
"Jerry M" <moorhe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 25, 3:45 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> I'm simply pointing out that you're using the old 6.13.7 executable
>> and the new 6.14.1 DLLs.
>>
>> As I said, you're apparently getting away with that, but I wouldn't
>> count on that technique working with future versions.
> The MapSource exe I saved from my directions was created from the DLLs
> for 6.13.7. The DLLs listed now after updating to latest version is
> for 6.14.1.
Not sure if I'm missing something, or you are. It sounds from what you're
saying that you think that DLLs somehow get embedded with the EXE.... That's
not right. DLLs are basically libraries of functions that can be called from
multiple places (Dynamic Link Libraries). You can end up with big problems
if the functions being called are different (possibly have different
arguments etc.). It seems as though the functions in the DLLs are
compatible, which is good, but there is no promise that this will work
between other version.
Dale
Jerry M
> Not sure if I'm missing something, or you are. It sounds from what you're
> saying that you think that DLLs somehow get embedded with the EXE.... That's
> not right. DLLs are basically libraries of functions that can be called from
> multiple places (Dynamic Link Libraries). You can end up with big problems
> if the functions being called are different (possibly have different
> arguments etc.). It seems as though the functions in the DLLs are
> compatible, which is good, but there is no promise that this will work
> between other version.
>
> Dale
There are 20 other languages besides MapSource English I am using
MapSource English so do not need other version languages. If you put
your mouse arrow over first DLL you will see the description is
MapSource Czech, the 2nd is MapSource Danish, etc. As I stated there
are 20 languages besides English which is what I use and exe file is
for MapSource English.
Jerry
Dale Atkin
> On Jul 28, 12:18 am, "Dale Atkin" <labrad...@ibycus.com> wrote:
>> Not sure if I'm missing something, or you are. It sounds from what you're
>> saying that you think that DLLs somehow get embedded with the EXE....
>> That's
>> not right. DLLs are basically libraries of functions that can be called
>> from
>> multiple places (Dynamic Link Libraries). You can end up with big
>> problems
>> if the functions being called are different (possibly have different
>> arguments etc.). It seems as though the functions in the DLLs are
>> compatible, which is good, but there is no promise that this will work
>> between other version.
>>
>> Dale
> Those DLLs in the Garmin folder are for different MapSource languages.
I have all *kinds* of DLLs in my program directory. Some (OK most) seem to
be associated with different languages, but not all. As I said before, I
wouldn't be surprised if this failed between other versions, even though it
works just fine with the versions you mentioned (and I have tried it on my
machine and it seems to work well)
Dale
2005 NOSPAM @gmail.com jce2005
MapSource uses which are NOT in the Garmin folder. And leave alone the
hundreds of registry entries, which could be much different from one version
to another.
Jerry, you're just lucky, nothing else happened so far. Good luck with
having different versions run side-by-side, maybe it'll work, maybe not.
From a programming stand point it's NEVER a good idea to leave two different
versions of a software run side-by-side, unless the programmer specifically
says they can be run side-by-side ! Why do you think so many software's
check for previous versions and make you uninstall them first before
upgrading to a new version ? And that Garmin doesn't do that, does NOT mean
everything is fine. As everybody says, your just lucky right now.
But advising other people to do the same in this situation is not a good
idea. If you ( Jerry ) wanna screw up your computer ( possible ) than you
are probably the one who also fixes the broken computer ( program ). Many
other people following your advise may not so lucky to fix their computer
easily themselves !
No hard feelings, no harm, just my 2c !!! :)
Cheers,
JCE
"Dale Atkin" <labr...@ibycus.com> wrote in message
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Jerry M
> .............and beside that Dale is correct, there are MANY other files
> MapSource uses which are NOT in the Garmin folder. And leave alone the
> hundreds of registry entries, which could be much different from one version
> to another.
>
> Jerry, you're just lucky, nothing else happened so far. Good luck with
> having different versions run side-by-side, maybe it'll work, maybe not.
> From a programming stand point it's NEVER a good idea to leave two different
> versions of a software run side-by-side, unless the programmer specifically
> says they can be run side-by-side ! Why do you think so many software's
> check for previous versions and make you uninstall them first before
> upgrading to a new version ? And that Garmin doesn't do that, does NOT mean
> everything is fine. As everybody says, your just lucky right now.
>
> But advising other people to do the same in this situation is not a good
> idea. If you ( Jerry ) wanna screw up your computer ( possible ) than you
> are probably the one who also fixes the broken computer ( program ). Many
> other people following your advise may not so lucky to fix their computer
> easily themselves !
>
> No hard feelings, no harm, just my 2c !!! :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> JCE
>
>
> news:sMbjk.2324$nu6.1919@edtnps83...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jerry M" <moorheadb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:e6c83a1b-a706-4a2b...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jul 25, 3:45 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> >>> I'm simply pointing out that you're using the old 6.13.7 executable
> >>> and the new 6.14.1 DLLs.
>
> >>> As I said, you're apparently getting away with that, but I wouldn't
> >>> count on that technique working with future versions.
> >> The MapSource exe I saved from my directions was created from the DLLs
> >> for 6.13.7. The DLLs listed now after updating to latest version is
> >> for 6.14.1.
>
> > Not sure if I'm missing something, or you are. It sounds from what you're
> > saying that you think that DLLs somehow get embedded with the EXE....
> > That's not right. DLLs are basically libraries of functions that can be
> > called from multiple places (Dynamic Link Libraries). You can end up with
> > big problems if the functions being called are different (possibly have
> > different arguments etc.). It seems as though the functions in the DLLs
> > are compatible, which is good, but there is no promise that this will work
> > between other version.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The main reason I wanted to keep 6.13.7 on my computers is that Garmin
took away in the unlock wizard to save your unlock codes to a file
stored on your computer. So now with 6.14.1 if you lose your unlock
codes you have to receive them through the MyGarmin account. I do not
have much faith in this as MyGarmin has lost many of my units I
registered before and had to call Garmin and tell them my serial
numbers which is a pain when you have 14 different units. Now with
6.13.7 still installed I still can save my unlock codes in my
computer. For instance on MyGarmin account for my 2720 I did have 3
uinlock codes showing but now only the latest one for CNNA NT 2009 is
showing. I am not trying to tell all people to do this to their
computers about both versions installed at same time. But it worked
for me with no problems on both of my computers. Just passing along
what I read in a gps forum and it worked just like they stated. I
never mess with any registry settings unless Garmin tech tells me to
do so.
Jerry
Dale Atkin
"jce2005" <jce 2005 NOSPAM @ gmail . com> wrote in message
news:efljk.4658$LF2....@newsfe09.iad...
> .............and beside that Dale is correct, there are MANY other files
> MapSource uses which are NOT in the Garmin folder. And leave alone the
> hundreds of registry entries, which could be much different from one
> version to another.
>
> Jerry, you're just lucky, nothing else happened so far. Good luck with
> having different versions run side-by-side, maybe it'll work, maybe not.
> From a programming stand point it's NEVER a good idea to leave two
> different versions of a software run side-by-side, unless the programmer
> specifically says they can be run side-by-side ! Why do you think so many
> software's check for previous versions and make you uninstall them first
> before upgrading to a new version ? And that Garmin doesn't do that, does
> NOT mean everything is fine. As everybody says, your just lucky right now.
I think worst case scenario here is probably that the old version will fail,
or perhaps after running the old version the new version might stop working
(if it fudges the registry a bit). So its probably *relatively* safe. (I'm
guessing an uninstall and reinstall *should* fix either of these problems).
But yeah, just luck that it works IMO.
Dale
2005 NOSPAM @gmail.com jce2005
I do understand your REASONS for keeping both versions. But the discussion
point here is NOT the "reason" !!!!
The discussion point here is the version conflict which can occur ! Right
now, most .dll's have something like version 6.12.x and this dll version (
right click, properties, details ) might be very well compatible with all
previous MapSource versions as well as the new 6.14.1 version. But as you've
said, you don't have the confidence in Garmin with their unlock code
procedure, so what makes you think that the next version of MapSource, like
6.14.2 or higher is also 100% compatible with the current 6.12.x version of
the DLL's ?????? I don't have this faith into the Garmin programmers,
otherwise they would listening to customers and their bug reports and fix
their program or implant what customers want.
The "right now working" is fine, but a new version can completely break your
( or anyone else's ) MapSource. MapSource put's well over 1000+ entries into
your registry. So version 6.13.7 may have complete different registry
entries than 6.14.1 ! Currently it apparently works, but maybe a new version
calls different procedures and then it won't work anymore. And that can
screw up many novice users.
I am using Garmin GPS's for over 5 years and so far, never had any troubles
putting my unlock codes in. And don't get me wrong, I am doing also some
unusual things to make certain MapSource programs and products work, but I
never would suggest that someone else is doing the same thing.
And the problem here is that YOU suggesting something, someone else should
do and than these people would be in trouble and would have to spend time
and money to get it fixed again.
Amen ! :)
Cheers,
JCE
"Jerry M" <moorhe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jerry M
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
to all. You do as you please. But I will continue to use other people
helpful ideas and not help anyone else anymore. It all worked for me
so I did think other people would like this info but thanks to you I
am through!!!!
Jerry
Gene E. Bloch
,SNIP>
> Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
> to all. You do as you please. But I will continue to use other people
> helpful ideas and not help anyone else anymore. It all worked for me
> so I did think other people would like this info but thanks to you I
> am through!!!!
> Jerry
"I will...not help anyone else anymore."
Actually, given the information in this thread, this statement deserves
profound thanks from us.
You have my thanks, at least :-)
--
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(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
Mike Russell
> Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
> to all. You do as you please. But I will continue to use other people
> helpful ideas and not help anyone else anymore. It all worked for me
> so I did think other people would like this info but thanks to you I
> am through!!!!
> Jerry
You clearly labeled your post with which versions worked, and discussed
your procedure in great detail.
The only error you made was to start responding to the nit pickers who want
to tear people down without contributing.
I hope you'll continue to contribute - just ignore the trivial and envious
critiques of the nit pickers. Watch me over the next day or so to see how
this is done, LOL.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com
Dale Atkin
news:mefgdz6...@mike.curvemeister.com...
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT), Jerry M wrote:
>
>> Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
>> to all. You do as you please. But I will continue to use other people
>> helpful ideas and not help anyone else anymore. It all worked for me
>> so I did think other people would like this info but thanks to you I
>> am through!!!!
>> Jerry
>
> You clearly labeled your post with which versions worked, and discussed
> your procedure in great detail.
>
> The only error you made was to start responding to the nit pickers who
> want
> to tear people down without contributing.
Hope you're not lumping me in there. I was actually grateful for the post
(which is why I followed the instructions). I just felt a couple of caveats
should be added to the post to make sure people knew what they were getting
in to.
>
> I hope you'll continue to contribute - just ignore the trivial and envious
> critiques of the nit pickers. Watch me over the next day or so to see how
> this is done, LOL.
I hope you'll continue to contribute too. Don't turn in to a lurker! :)
Jack Erbes
<snip>
> Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
> to all. You do as you please. But I will continue to use other people
> helpful ideas and not help anyone else anymore. It all worked for me
> so I did think other people would like this info but thanks to you I
> am through!!!!
>
Jerry M,
Many people are reading this and not reacting to your suggestion the way
he is. I don't understand his problem but I appreciate your interest in
this and your sharing the info.
I'm smart enough to know that fooling around with system files and dll's
can cause problems but that will not keep me from doing it if it seems
to be of interest or to my advantage.
Ignore the "Internet police", share the info, and intelligent people can
do as they want.
Thanks,
Jack
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> Jerry M wrote:
> <snip>
>> Ok I will not post any more what I thought was a good thing so goodbye
>> to all. You do as you please.
snip
> Jerry M,
>
> Many people are reading this and not reacting to your suggestion the way
> he is. I don't understand his problem but I appreciate your interest in
> this and your sharing the info.
snip
> Ignore the "Internet police", share the info, and intelligent people can
> do as they want.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
Hear, hear!!!
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