Nuvi 750
andrea_d...@hotmail.com
surprised to see that the device doesn't sent data to google earth.
The navigator is seen by the PC; I can tranfer music etc. but there is
no map function there. I already have an old GPSV, which came with
MapSource and it works fine with Google. But both MapSource and the
old Nav are actually in Europe. Futhermore I knew from the specs that
I could dowload map to the Nuvi SD. I hope I can when I go back to
Italy and use the EU maps I bought already. Do I really need to buy a
new mapsource do do that. garmin has not answered my questions.
Thanks all,
Andrea
andrea_d...@hotmail.com
are going to send me the software CD for free.
I assume it will solve.
Tanks all,
Andrea
Jack Erbes
"The problem" as Garmin describes it is that the nuvi 750 does not come
with the same mapping that is preloaded on a CD or DVD so that it can be
installed on a PC. They decided a few years back that people either
were no longer interested in it or no longer needed it or deserved to
get it.
Since that time they have been responding in a variety of ways to
individual requests for mapping from purchasers of preloaded GPS
receiver for a PC install. They either simply give it to them (I think
that is what happened in your case), tell them they can have if for a
nominal charge ($15 or so?), tell them they have to buy it if they want
it, or try to convince them they do not need it. It seems that the
individual support people are making the decision on their own and as
you talk to them.
And the Garmin North American support staff is much more likely to give
you the mapping than is Garmin Europe. In fact, I think that Garmin
Europe has simply refused all requests.
Jack
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boojum
> andrea_d...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Called Garmin again today. They said theproblem was MapSource. They
>> are going to send me the software CD for free.
>> I assume it will solve.
>> Tanks all,
>> Andrea
>
> "The problem" as Garmin describes it is that the nuvi 750 does not come
> with the same mapping that is preloaded on a CD or DVD so that it can be
> installed on a PC. They decided a few years back that people either
> were no longer interested in it or no longer needed it or deserved to
> get it.
>
> Since that time they have been responding in a variety of ways to
> individual requests for mapping from purchasers of preloaded GPS
> receiver for a PC install. They either simply give it to them (I think
> that is what happened in your case), tell them they can have if for a
> nominal charge ($15 or so?), tell them they have to buy it if they want
> it, or try to convince them they do not need it. It seems that the
> individual support people are making the decision on their own and as
> you talk to them.
>
> And the Garmin North American support staff is much more likely to give
> you the mapping than is Garmin Europe. In fact, I think that Garmin
> Europe has simply refused all requests.
>
> Jack
My experience with my Nüvi 750 and Garmin has been diferent. I bought
the 750 in July. It came pre-loaded with City Nav NT 2008. When I tried
to register it with Garmin, I was informed that I was eligible for for
a free map upgrade to CN NT 2009. I followed the upgrade instructions
and installed the new maps on the 750. The computer that I was using
had a copy of Bobcat running on it and after the map download CN NT
2009 was available. Not only was my 750 upgraded but Garmin downloaded
a new map to use with Bobcat. No charge and all done online.
Jack Erbes
<snip>
>> And the Garmin North American support staff is much more likely to give
>> you the mapping than is Garmin Europe. In fact, I think that Garmin
>> Europe has simply refused all requests.
>>
>> Jack
>
> My experience with my Nüvi 750 and Garmin has been diferent. I bought
> the 750 in July. It came pre-loaded with City Nav NT 2008. When I tried
> to register it with Garmin, I was informed that I was eligible for for a
> free map upgrade to CN NT 2009. I followed the upgrade instructions and
> installed the new maps on the 750. The computer that I was using had a
> copy of Bobcat running on it and after the map download CN NT 2009 was
> available. Not only was my 750 upgraded but Garmin downloaded a new map
> to use with Bobcat. No charge and all done online.
Thanks for the update on that, you are talking about support from Garmin
Europe I assume.
And Bobcat is the Mac version of MapSource, right?
I hope that applies the same way to the European Windows PCs users too.
Those were the users that, in the past, did not get much support from
Garmin EU.
Some things have happened over here since they got the Mac thing working
at last that sort of indicates that there may either more compassion for
the Mac users, a slightly different set of rules and policies, or a
entirely different mind set amongst the people that have been working
support for Mac users.
I'm scared to death of the new version(s) of MapSource after reading
some of the reports here. I think those versions have a look and feel
that is more in common with the Mac version. I wonder if Garmin is
trying to/having problems getting the two flavors (Mac and Windows) in
synch?
Jack
John
> And Bobcat is the Mac version of MapSource, right?
It is now Garmin Roadtrip
http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=4332
It is out of the beta apparently where it FORCED you to
install ALL updates. And FAILED the last TWO times it did
that! Garmin apparently can't write Mac stuff reliably.
I had to go get it at the above URL after 1 week of Mac
support kept telling me the wrong things were wrong! I
simply had to go get the full fresh package. What they
should have told me first! I finally posted to this
news group and someone told me to download it by its
new name, and it worked. So much for Garmin support.
At least for Macs.
Now that I have RoadTrip, I still miss having real time GPS
coordinates of the mouse appear at the bottom of the
window. To find the GPS coordinates of the mouse, you
have to mark a point and inquire of that point. Ridiculous!
I've asked to them to put that back starting about 6 months
ago and they don't.
I hardly use the Garmin sofware any more, and hope to
free myself of Garmin when I buy another device in a year or
two. I'm hoping a cell phone will provide all the features
by then. Meanwhile, I wrote a GPS finder in Google's API that
is simple to use and finds me GPS coordinates instantly as
I search a map and move the mouse over it, and otherwise
try to totally rely on Google Maps, Google Earth Plus (which
loads Garmin GPS coordinates right off the device!).
I've had it with Garmin nonsense and hope to not have to buy
anything from them again as I wear my current device out
and look to buy another device in a year or two (If my
phone isn't already better than Garmin by then).
John
boojum
> boojum wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>> And the Garmin North American support staff is much more likely to give
>>> you the mapping than is Garmin Europe. In fact, I think that Garmin
>>> Europe has simply refused all requests.
>>>
>>> Jack
>>
>> My experience with my Nüvi 750 and Garmin has been diferent. I bought
>> the 750 in July. It came pre-loaded with City Nav NT 2008. When I tried
>> to register it with Garmin, I was informed that I was eligible for for a
>> free map upgrade to CN NT 2009. I followed the upgrade instructions and
>> installed the new maps on the 750. The computer that I was using had a
>> copy of Bobcat running on it and after the map download CN NT 2009 was
>> available. Not only was my 750 upgraded but Garmin downloaded a new map
>> to use with Bobcat. No charge and all done online.
>
> Thanks for the update on that, you are talking about support from Garmin
> Europe I assume.
No, I'm in the USA.
>
> And Bobcat is the Mac version of MapSource, right?
Right. Now it's out of beta and called RoadTrip.
>
> I hope that applies the same way to the European Windows PCs users too.
> Those were the users that, in the past, did not get much support from
> Garmin EU.
>
> Some things have happened over here since they got the Mac thing working
> at last that sort of indicates that there may either more compassion for
> the Mac users, a slightly different set of rules and policies, or a
> entirely different mind set amongst the people that have been working
> support for Mac users.
>
> I'm scared to death of the new version(s) of MapSource after reading
> some of the reports here. I think those versions have a look and feel
> that is more in common with the Mac version. I wonder if Garmin is
> trying to/having problems getting the two flavors (Mac and Windows) in
> synch?
>
> Jack
Well I have used Mapsource for over 10 years and think that RoadTrip
has many advantaves over it.
boojum
andrea_d...@hotmail.com
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Reading all the posts, I think I opened a Pandora Vase. I got the
MapSource and CityNavigator Cd free of charges as promised. The Cd
label says I need a 25 Chr code, actually the Cd loaded and the maps
are already unlocked. I can see them on Map Source, define a route and
transefer it to my Nuvi. Alas, Google Earth Plus doesen't see the Nav
and is looking for it on all the available port Com and Usb. The Nav
actually seems turned of when connected to the PC, but it's not and I
can access it. nRoute, not only doesn't see it either but doesn't
recognize any file produced with Map Source, saying that can only read
older files. So at Garmin they have been nice, but my problem is only
partially solved.
Andrea
Jack Erbes
<snip>
> Well I have used Mapsource for over 10 years and think that RoadTrip has
> many advantaves over it.
>
There has always been a lot of room for improvement in MapSource but
I've used it for a long time too. But there were a lot of reports here
about the fairly new 6.14.x version and as far as how it ran under
Windows. Many people found it unusable for a number of reasons.
As I understand it, RoadTrip is only for Macs (which I don't have) so I
don't have any choices but MapSource in the older 6.13.x versions or the
newer, reportedly from hell, 6.14.x versions.
Am I missing something here or is there a RoadTrip version for Windows?
Jack
Jack Erbes
<snip>
>
> Reading all the posts, I think I opened a Pandora Vase. I got the
> MapSource and CityNavigator Cd free of charges as promised. The Cd
> label says I need a 25 Chr code, actually the Cd loaded and the maps
> are already unlocked.
You are saying they loaded to the PC and to the nuvi, right?
> I can see them on Map Source, define a route and
> transefer it to my Nuvi. Alas, Google Earth Plus doesen't see the Nav
> and is looking for it on all the available port Com and Usb.
When you say "the Nav" you mean the GPS receiver, right? The nuvi 750?
Last I knew, none of the nuvi models had any NMEA output. That is the
data that the GPS receiver would have to send to a COM or USB port so
that GE Plus could use it.
I don't use GE Plus (or GE plain either) but the process would be that,
(1), the nuvi has a fix and knows your location, (2), it outputs that
location data to a COM or USB port in a format called NMEA data. That
puts the data on one of the PC's ports. Then, Google Earth Plus (or any
other application) reads the data from the COM or USB port and uses it
to display your location on their mapping.
> The Nav
> actually seems turned of when connected to the PC, but it's not and I
> can access it.
That sounds like it is in the "Computer Connected" mode. That just
makes the main memory and the SD card in the nuvi visible from Windows
so that you can copy things to and from the PC to the nuvi. It does
nothing to make the NMEA data available on the COM or USB port. The
nuvi simply does not have any NMEA output as far as I know.
> nRoute, not only doesn't see it either but doesn't
> recognize any file produced with Map Source, saying that can only read
> older files.
Garmin routes and waypoints seen in MapSource can be saved to either a
Garmin GPS Database Version 2 or Garmin GPS Database Version 3 file.
The default file type is the V3 file. But to use the data with nRoute
you have to save it to a V2 file. Then you can open that file with
nRoute (or maybe it will know where to look for the file and just go and
get it, I forget exactly how nRoute works). So that is how nRoute gets
data from MapSource.
To use nRoute you need to have a Garmin GPS receiver attached to a COM
or USB port that has a NMEA data output capability. And, as I said
above, I do not think your nuvi has that capability.
But if you had a Garmin GPS receiver with a NMEA output attached, and
started nRoute, the nRoute application would connect to the GPS
receiver, allow you to use the routes and waypoints stored on the
receiver, and also use the NMEA data from the receiver to show your
position in nRoute.
> So at Garmin they have been nice, but my problem is only
> partially solved.
I think you just need to learn some of the details about how it all
works and also have a GPS receiver that will give you the NMEA input so
you can use nRoute on a PC.
Jack
boojum
No, there is not a RoadTrip for Windows. At the risk of getting all
sorts of flack from the PC bunch, Jack get a Mac. You won't regret it.
Jack Erbes
Yeah, yeah, I know. I have nothing against Macs other than then
economics of doing it and the anguish of turning my back on about 30
years of knowledge with PC's that started at PC-DOS 1.0 or so and
starting a new learning evolution (however simple and pleasant it is
reputed to be).
I would have to acquire or buy a number of applications and utilities
for the Mac, learn how to use them, migrate all the data on continuing
interests and projects, and it will *not* be painless. Or quick. Or
Simple.
In the past, when I looked at Macs (and linux too) what would happen is
that I wound up with two desktops, two laptops, and spent a lot of time
hopping from one to another. The new dual-boot Macs with the Intel
processors may make having a combo Mac and Windows PC more practical but
then there is the money that needs to be spent. I am perfectly happy
with the hardware I have and it is all paid for...
But thanks for the suggestion.
Jack
>
andrea_d...@hotmail.com
Thanks Jack, I think you got the point
>You are saying they loaded to the PC and to the nuvi, right?
Yes they loaded to the PC, they were already on the Nuvi
> When you say "the Nav" you mean the GPS receiver, right? The nuvi 750?
Yes
> The default file type is the V3 file. But to use the data with nRoute
> you have to save it to a V2 file. Then you can open that file with
> nRoute (or maybe it will know where to look for the file and just go and
> get it, I forget exactly how nRoute works). So that is how nRoute gets
> data from MapSource.
How can I do that?
> But if you had a Garmin GPS receiver with a NMEA .............
You're completely right, everything works fine with my old little GPSV
Andrea
Jack Erbes
<snip>
>> The default file type is the V3 file. But to use the data with nRoute
>> you have to save it to a V2 file. Then you can open that file with
>> nRoute (or maybe it will know where to look for the file and just go and
>> get it, I forget exactly how nRoute works). So that is how nRoute gets
>> data from MapSource.
> How can I do that?
From MapSource you would have to have saved the routes before (that
would be to a *.gdb file of the default V3 type). If you open that file
again and save it as a V2 type (a different name would be needed or you
would have to save it to a different folder).
>> But if you had a Garmin GPS receiver with a NMEA .............
> You're completely right, everything works fine with my old little GPSV
>
There you go, that GPSV has the NMEA output that nRoute was looking for.
There are some settings on the GPSV (and any other GPS with a NMEA
output) for turning the NMEA output off and on and changing it's type a
little. But as long as it is in the NMEA/NMEA or NMEA OUT mode it will
work just about anywhere. If it is in the GARMIN OUT or GARMIN/GARMIN
mode (a proprietary dialect of NMEA), it might not work with Google
Earth and some other PC applications.
If you bought one of the cheap Garmin GPS receivers like the plain
yellow, non-mapping eTrex, and connected that to your PC, it would give
you the NMEA data for nRoute. A non-Garmin receiver will not work with
nRoute.
Garmin is steadily simplifying or dumbing down the models intended for
use in automobiles. They have decided you don't need the NMEA output
any more.
Jack
andrea_d...@hotmail.com
> andrea_del_zo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I think you just need to learn some of the details about how it all
> > > works and also have a GPS receiver that will give you the NMEA input so
> > > you can use nRoute on a PC.
>
> > > Jack
>
> > Thanks Jack, I think you got the point
> > >You are saying they loaded to the PC and to the nuvi, right?
> > Yes they loaded to the PC, they were already on the Nuvi
> > > When you say "the Nav" you mean the GPS receiver, right? The nuvi 750?
> > Yes
>
> > > The default file type is the V3 file. But to use the data with nRoute
> > > you have to save it to a V2 file. Then you can open that file with
> > > nRoute (or maybe it will know where to look for the file and just go and
> > > get it, I forget exactly how nRoute works). So that is how nRoute gets
> > > data from MapSource.
> > How can I do that?
> > > But if you had a Garmin GPS receiver with a NMEA .............
> > You're completely right, everything works fine with my old little GPSV
>
> > Andrea
>
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Sorry for that. I'm new to this.
Andrea