Amnesty illegals UPDATE
People's Commissar
DATE: 9 p.m., Monday, 1apr02
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Here is the fact sheet on what the Section 245(i) amnesty does -- precisely.
http://www.numbersusa.com/text?ID=1049
Sorry to have taken longer than expected. There is so much incredible
misinformation about this measure -- not only from the supporters of open
borders but also by many of our allies. It is very important that we fight
this from the facts and not from just what makes a good argument.
When Senators return to Washington next week, they will be pressed again to
approve the Section 245(i) amnesty.
I hope you will make your phone calls, write your letters and call talk
shows based on the information in this fact sheet. All of us here at
NumbersUSA have worked on it, but the effort was led by Rosemary Jenks, our
Harvard-trained lawyer who is director of government relations.
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SUMMARY
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* In nearly all cases, a person must be an illegal alien to benefit from
Section 245(i).
Pres. Bush, House GOP Majority Leader Armey and a host of others have been
saying Section 245(i) is for people who have played by the rules and are
here legally. They are 100% wrong.
* Others have said that this is only for illegal aliens who came here
legally on visas and then overstayed.
In fact, it is for those illegal aliens AND for those who stole across the
border illegally in the first place.
* Others say this is for people who would have been approved for legal
status except that INS was too slow with the paperwork.
In fact, those kind of people are already protected under Section 245(a).
That's right, a subsection (a) instead of (i).
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TECHNICALLY AN AMNESTY
=============================
Technically, Section 245(i) is an amnesty because it forgives an illegal
alien for his lawbreaking and excuses him from penalties normally levied
against illegals.
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TECHNICALLY not AN AMNESTY THAT REWARDS WITH PERMANENT RESIDENCY
===============================
You will see some immigration lawyers saying that Section 245(i) is NOT an
amnesty because the illegal alien doesn't get a green card when he applies.
The lawyers are technically right if they say that the day after applying
for Section 245(i) until he qualifies for a green card (often years later)
the alien remains illegal and could be arrested and deported at any time.
==================================
A "de facto" amnesty that rewards with permanent residency
=================================
But in practical fact, Section 245(i) not only is an amnesty that forgives
an illegal alien of normal penalties, but it also allows the illegal alien
to remain here permanently. That is because the operating policy of the INS
is to treat illegal aliens who have applied for Section 245(i) adjustment as
if they already are legal permanent residents -- even though it may be years
before they actually are legal.
The INS almost never deports an illegal alien under Section 245(i) unless he
has committed a non-immigration-related crime.
============================================
I hope all of you will be able to fight Section 245(i) from the position of
strength of knowing the facts.
What we are describing here does not contradict what we have been telling
you the last month, but it does fill in a lot of blanks.
If you are in touch with any talk shows, I would advise you to fax or e-mail
a copy of this fact sheet. Let's make sure everybody is armed with the facts
before this next round of battle.
Thanks.
ROY
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GUlLLOTlNA
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"I have made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ' O Lord, make my enemies
ridiculous.' And God granted it." - Voltaire
John H Shaw
Hideous.
"GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.competent> wrote in message
news:20020402204157...@mb-fw.aol.com...
People's Commissar
that would deprive it of its reason for breathing. Remember, before me,
the Borgs were her reason for breathing - because they put her former friend
into their song. A BIG reason for her tearing thru aol on a rampage of
hate against the entire cos. Uh huh. She is, and always was, irrelevant.
TJ
"John H Shaw" <indn...@satanicsupplies.com> wrote in message
news:6Itq8.11734$ml2.9...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Don't you have Tani killfiled or something?
>
> Hideous.
>
> "GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.competent> wrote in message
Some inevitable spew, rage, vomit and otherwise obsessive shit of no meaning
at all.
>
GUlLLOTlNA
put her former friend into their song. >>
::amused::
Perhaps Phyl would care to enlighten me on the following points, since this is
the very first I have heard of the matter:
1. What "former friend" of mine did the Gidneys write into a song?
2. What's the name of the song? When -was- this? What proof do you have to back
this up? We'd hate to be thinking this was 4th-hand hearsay, AGAIN.
These are serious questions, and I want to get the info straight from the
source; when someone knows more about my motivations than *I* do, by gorry I
want to know all there is to know!
>A BIG reason for her tearing thru aol on a rampage of hate against the entire
cos. >>
Heh, my "rampage of hate" against the CoS was a lot lower key than your
"rampage of hate" against the Temple of Set. Now *there* we have an
honest-to-badness "RAMPAGE!"
::eyeroll:: Good Satan, what next? Cthulhu fueled my "RAMPAGE of DEATH!!!!!!"
against the CoS? I was forced into it by Phyl's manipulation of the I-Ching?
Nothing would shock me.
>She is, and always was, irrelevant.>>
Heh.
Here's a nice "RELEVANT" question for you, Phyllis: when are you going to fill
us in on why exactly you accepted that Magistra title from a man you loathed,
concerning an organization you'd like to have blown up?
Ready to start talking?
No? Bummer.
And since you want to discuss "relevance," perhaps you could tell us why you
keep interjecting yourself as some ToS spokesperson into the conversation
regarding the Delf's ejection from the ToS. How are you "RELEVANT" to that? How
is that your business? You speak as though you had a hand in the affair.
>"John H Shaw" <indn...@satanicsupplies.com> wrote>>
Hey, brain-trust: You're killfiled. This means I don't see your posts.*I do not
see them.* I don't read them. They don't show up over here. Got it? Good.
(That guy is dumber than the average bag of hammers, I swear.)
*********
Have a nice day, drunken, irrelevant, Chairman-Mao-looking, pseudonym-usin' &
denyin' old fruitbat:
Lisa,
laughing at online liars since 1997, tm.
*********
"I don't care about you!/FUCK YOU!" - Fear
Ygraine
> What? It said something to my post? You expect It to killfile me? Nah,
> that would deprive it of its reason for breathing. Remember, before me,
> the Borgs were her reason for breathing - because they put her former friend
> into their song.
Hey! Why do you insist on dragging other people into your battles?
FTR: The person who the song was written about was never a friend of
Lisa. In fact if I recall, she called said person an idiot.
Furthermore, the prson whom the song referenced was actually
flattered....regarded the lyrics "sucking on a lollipop and graveyard
fucking" to be complimentary.
Lisa and "the Borgs" didn't get along because of posturing and
stupidity on both sides. Unlike others, however, they realized that
they had more in common than not, and worked on a positive
relationship. I am not surprised that this is beyond your
comprehension.
Y~
People's Commissar
"Ygraine" <ldyygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:990b22b8.02040...@posting.google.com...
> "People's Commissar" <tanija...@www.com> wrote in message
news:<ual0tll...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > What? It said something to my post? You expect It to killfile me? Nah,
> > that would deprive it of its reason for breathing. Remember, before
me,
> > the Borgs were her reason for breathing - because they put her former
friend
> > into their song.
This was posted to John Shaw.
>
> Furthermore, the prson whom the song referenced was actually
> flattered....regarded the lyrics "sucking on a lollipop and graveyard
> fucking" to be complimentary.
I know that. That was the story.
>
> Unlike others, however, they realized that
> they had more in common than not,
Wow, you just trashed yourself.
GuilloTina
Reeeeeeally, Phyllis? How quaint.
If you don't want people commenting on what you post, try emailing
"PRIVATELY."
> > Furthermore, the prson whom the song referenced was actually flattered.... regarded the lyrics "sucking on a lollipop and graveyard fucking" to be complimentary.>>
> I know that. That was the story.>>
Oh, but Phyl! You still have not told me, the alleged -source- of this
story, who this song allegedly referred to. Enlighten me; I admit I
have no idea who
you are talking about. For a "former friend," this seems odd.
Is it that you do not know?
I am simply all ears/oops make that eyes.
<< Unlike others, however, they realized that they had more in common
than not,>>
<< Wow, you just trashed yourself.>>
Talk of "trashing oneself" comes well from you, who flip-flop
regarding your
affiliations on an almost daily basis..."I HATE the ToS!" "I
LOOOOOOOVE the
ToS, and I have ALWAYS LOVED IT! Everyone KNOWS this!"
Ready to talk about that Magistra thing yet? No? I don't blame you;
admitting
you had hurt feelings over what the CoS did to you would really be
painful.
As everyone "KNOWS!" your heart was "BROKEN!" over the whole affair.
And those are the FACTS. PERIOD.
Now *shaddup,* Phyl.
Hearts & flowers:
L.
*********
alt.satanism: When we say "Send in the clowns," we MEAN it, baby!
Ygraine
> "Ygraine" <ldyygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:990b22b8.02040...@posting.google.com...
> > "People's Commissar" <tanija...@www.com> wrote in message
> news:<ual0tll...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > What? It said something to my post? You expect It to killfile me? Nah,
> > > that would deprive it of its reason for breathing. Remember, before
> me,
> > > the Borgs were her reason for breathing - because they put her former
> friend
> > > into their song.
>
> This was posted to John Shaw.
Posted to John Shaw, but posted on a public forum read by the very
people you were citing.
There is a method by which you can speak to only one other person on
the computer. It is called email.
> >
> > Furthermore, the prson whom the song referenced was actually
> > flattered....regarded the lyrics "sucking on a lollipop and graveyard
> > fucking" to be complimentary.
>
> I know that. That was the story.
> >
Evidently you don't or you wouldn't have called them friends---or is
this more of that disinfo stuff you keep talking about?
> > Unlike others, however, they realized that
> > they had more in common than not,
>
> Wow, you just trashed yourself.
Because I think we have more in common with Lisa than not?
Maybe it was just my amazing zonk deflecting ability.
Lisa is smart, doesn't lie and try to pass it off as a political
treatise, and has a sense of humor. She doesn't "out" people, doesn't
call people's employers, or make absurd statements about zonking or
blowjobs. She has no illusions about "her people", doesn't try to
mete an individualistic philosophy with a collectivist political
ideal, or otherwise make no fucking sense whatsoever.
I'll trash myself like that any day.
> > Y~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A BIG reason for her tearing thru aol on a rampage of
> > > hate against the entire cos. Uh huh. She is, and always was,
> irrelevant.
> > >
> > > TJ
> > >
> > > "John H Shaw" <indn...@satanicsupplies.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6Itq8.11734$ml2.9...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > > Don't you have Tani killfiled or something?
> > > >
> > > > Hideous.
Look everyone! Its Johnnie's new word!
circe
>treatise, and has a sense of humor. She doesn't "out" people, doesn't
>call people's employers, or make absurd statements about zonking or
>blowjobs. She has no illusions about "her people", doesn't try to
>mete an individualistic philosophy with a collectivist political
>ideal, or otherwise make no fucking sense whatsoever.
>I'll trash myself like that any day.
>> > Y~
:::translation::: "OH and did I tell you?! Lisa will send us a 100 dollars
anyday now and myself and my silly grotto will take credit for another 100
dollar membership donation!" "Clever huh?!"
People's Commissar
from a person who was THERE in the chat room when Gujillo apparently freaked
out. It's one huge whatever - but she went insane according to everyone else
that saw it, over a song.
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020404132620...@mb-ct.aol.com...
> >Lisa is smart,
She's a hick-town moron with petty issues that doesn't get over things that
are trivial as hell. .
doesn't lie and try to pass it off as a political
> >treatise,
She lies, alright. She couldn't write a political treatise.
> and has a sense of humor.
She is only capable of ragging on people - that's not humor. That's angst.
She doesn't "out" people, doesn't
> >call people's employers, or make absurd statements about zonking or
> >blowjobs.
Neither did I, ftr. I called no one's employer. What is zonking?
Something from sci fi stories? Yup. I made no absurd statements about blow
jobs: I merely quoted many other women on the subject and advised them to
be OPEN about it, not whine to other women who write it all down and put it
on a website :-D.
>She has no illusions about "her people",
Neither do I. But these morons have the illusions alright.
doesn't try to
> >mete an individualistic philosophy with a collectivist political
> >ideal,
Again, morons can't read.
>or otherwise make no fucking sense whatsoever.
Meaning, Ygraine can't read very well.
> >I'll trash myself like that any day.
> >> > Y~
>
>
> :::translation::: "OH and did I tell you?! Lisa will send us a 100 dollars
> anyday now and myself and my silly grotto will take credit for another 100
> dollar membership donation!" "Clever huh?!"
Probably.
>
>
circe
I did. And I'll do it again when someone sends my elderly neighbors shit in
the mail and makes harrassing phone calls to them, like Filan does. I also talk
to his Father who lives in NC almost on a nightly basis. He's kinda kinky for
an older fella, but really sweet. I call him grandpa. ;)
GUlLLOTlNA
a person who was THERE in the chat room when Gujillo apparently freaked out.
It's one huge whatever - but she went insane according to everyone else that
saw it, over a song.>>
Translation: "I HEARD something concerning events happening back in 1999? 2000?
from someone who heard it from someone else and embellished it a bit along the
way - I NEVER change stuff I hear BEFORE I post it, I'd NEVER do that, PERIOD."
AKA he-said-she-said bullshit.
Who is this "everyone else"? Screen names, please. How 'bout a chat-log? Don't
-tell- me your source has no chat-log! And just by-the-by, I have not been in a
chat-room on AOL or anywheres else since the year 2000. So when exactly did all
this go down?
Why do I waste my time asking for proof when it has been proven 1,000 times
over that Phyl is not averse to making it all up as she goes along?
>She's a hick-town moron with petty issues that doesn't get over things that
are trivial as hell.>>
Hey, Phyl, how's things in that metropolis of postmodern life, LeHigh Acres?
Bet its really hoppin' down that way.... yes, indeed. The Southern Senior
Citizen's Association is hosting a barbeque this weekend on your block, eh?
Wow.
>She lies, alright. >>
'scuse me, folks: BWA-HAHAHAHAAAA~!
What lies are these? Links, please.
<<She couldn't write a political treatise.>>
Oh, you're wrong, Phyl. Two things to remember, though:
1. If I did, I, unlike you, would not post a political treatise in a Satanic
forum in an effort to convince total strangers I'm some political "genius."
(Note spelling, please.)
2. I'm not interested in aweing (?) you with my political prowess. Your good
opinion means nothing to me.
This is not true for you, though, since you continually post idiocies and
logical fallacies in an effort to make everyone believe that yes, Virginia, you
*did* go to college!
>She is only capable of ragging on people - that's not humor. That's angst.>>
I only "rag" on the deserving, Oh Fruity One. Naturally my humor falls below
your detection-levels, since you are usually the butt of it.
>Neither did I, ftr. I called no one's employer. >>
Its that old alt.satanism QUOTE OF THE WEEK! ::cymbals clash::
>What is zonking? Something from sci fi stories? >>
Let's refresh a mind failing fast under the onslaught of Alzheimer's, shall
we?:
*********
From: Sir Chaos (sirc...@wolfenet.com)
Subject: The "Tani Jantsang" Files!
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: 2000-12-11 20:29:37 PST
Annnnnnnd......
Subject: The REAL Email Tani wrote.
From: Jeff Gerber SVs...@MailAndNews.com
Date: 7/19/01 5:02 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <3B59...@MailAndNews.com>
*********
>I made no absurd statements about blow jobs:>>
Blow job culture - different from straight
by Tani Jantsang
Update due to response: something needs to be made VERY CLEAR right at the top.
This article is NOT referring to the casual oral foreplay or any other
foreplay, NOT to 69, NOT to mutual alternate sex for a change, and NOT to gays
either male or female. It is referring to specifically ONE THING and ONE TYPE
of male that walks around in the straight culture (and usually is very
homophobic) and who passes as straight. It is referring ONLY to that because
these men are in enough numbers to be a culture; there are probably more of
them than there are gay men. They might lie about it and say "oh, yeah, well we
do everything" but in fact they are obsessed with ONE ACT but they want to be
accepted as straight, and they can not fuck, they either finish in 30 seconds
or they can't really get rock hard to fuck, they lack thrusting power and
"fucking a cunt" does NOT turn them on at all. ::SNIP loads of hilarity....
puns fully intended::
*********
::giggling:: That essay always makes me laugh :-)
>doesn't try to mete an individualistic philosophy with a collectivist
political ideal,>>
>Again, morons can't read.>>
The fact I'm not trying to present "Satanic Communism" as a valid theory means
I "can't read"? Where do these lines of reasoning come from, I wonder?
>> :::translation::: "OH and did I tell you?! Lisa will send us a 100 dollars
anyday now and myself and my silly grotto will take credit for another 100
dollar membership donation!" "Clever huh?!">>
Obviously 100 dollars is a considerable amount of money where you come from...
Probably, eh?
Now, Phyl, please enlighten us with your insights on your Magistra title, and
also on how it is that the CoS Files is/are fighting for freedom, peace and
liberty while RFS is attempting to make "drones" out of people by warning them
about the ToS.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Sincerely:
L.
*********
" (NOTE: I did a reading when the OJ Simpson trial started. "DID HE DO IT"
Ching said no that his hands are too big. HUH? Then the gloves thing came out!
AH, we see! Ching says he knows who DID do it. !! The gloves of the real
murderer were not OJ's gloves - that pretty much cinched it: he didn't do it.)"
-
Phyl's take on the OJ Simpson verdict.
Ygraine
> Hey, while it is true I only heard of it down the line - the song thing,
> from a person who was THERE in the chat room when Gujillo apparently freaked
> out. It's one huge whatever - but she went insane according to everyone else
> that saw it, over a song.
>
>
While I can't prove you called (I think Lupo can), Kevin can prove you
wrote to one, and did. You didn't even have the balls to do it under
your name but used Phil's.
>What is zonking?
Would someone (Kevin???) be so kind as to re-post the infamous "zonk"
letter. Tani seems to have forgotten her own words.
> Something from sci fi stories? Yup. I made no absurd statements about blow
> jobs: I merely quoted many other women on the subject and advised them to
> be OPEN about it, not whine to other women who write it all down and put it
> on a website :-D.
All the guys out there who believe that getting head means they are
gay, sign up here.
>
> >She has no illusions about "her people",
>
> Neither do I. But these morons have the illusions alright.
>
> doesn't try to
> > >mete an individualistic philosophy with a collectivist political
> > >ideal,
Two words: Satanic Reds.
>
> Again, morons can't read.
>
>
> > >I'll trash myself like that any day.
> > >> > Y~
> >
> >
> > :::translation::: "OH and did I tell you?! Lisa will send us a 100 dollars
> > anyday now and myself and my silly grotto will take credit for another 100
> > dollar membership donation!" "Clever huh?!"
>
> Probably.
Who knows. Given what she sees here Lisa may opt to stay unaffiliated
forever---and who can blame her? She might even stay that way just
because you all think she won't. Who knows?
Again, you refuse to believe that someone could just think you are an
asshole with no affiliation or political reasons behind it.
> >
> >
People's Commissar
you think I'm GOD or something?
I never called anyone's boss. Period.
Go have some fucking jello. Do you always post to me right after a shitty
bout of sex or something or what?
I know what a zonk is - it is featured in one of my SCI FI stories, you
blithering idiot.
Oh yes, rehash ancient fucking history, never move on. Do you people EVER
flow ahead? Nah. Too pent up.
TJ
"Ygraine" <ldyygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "
Blaaaaah. Bla blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaa.
People's Commissar
that 100% pure suckup, the whiner "waaa wwaaa Andre keeps kicking me, he
keeps banning me" without the crew getting bcc's or outright cc's. Do you
imagine I'd EVER send any of you anything without close friends saving
copies of it all? Get a CLUE, Ygraine.
This email is to Ole, not to the supreme whiner. Ole was thinking of
writing a story, as I had invited him to for a non-satanic fanzine - clue -
NON-satanic. But he did not know enough about the fiction to write one
connected to it. DUH.
Here is the original email. Now go away and GET A LIFE, you pent up walking
gelatin. Lemon. Everytime you have shitty sex - I BET you get on here to
rag all over me. LMAO - I have to L. M. A. O. You, the formerly abused
woman, and for cos's kick-out boy - another former abuse victim. Hey,
resolve your freaking issues somewhere else. I'm NOT your kin. Same goes
for the gang of four that need to ask the TOS the same fucking question
10,000 times and get the same fucking answers. FRAME the fucking answers,
will they - or better still, RESOLVE the probably parental issues they have
with the right people, not with surrogates. The reason the teen-gang
doesn't play "ball" with these waste products is because they GREW UP. Time
for YOU ALL to grow up too. Get a LIFE. Or get some good sex for a change,
you pent up crow. Stop crowing to ME. I'm not your ABUSER.
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You can show SOME of your people - be careful. Or maybe - better think
before you show anyone. Chaos already knows - he HE DID IT. He's
terrified
that
they'll know who he is, where to find him. Hacking is HIGHLY illegal. I
regret that
Mengele is in those damned logs. You can show Chaos this too if you want, I
don't care.
Everyone will soon know when they SEE THIS. If you want to delete certain
nicks
and write "deleted" go ahead. I'd not bother to do that. Fuck them.
What happened with John? Don't know, but did you see the FILTH he wrote me
before he died? Did you
see my analysis of it for Stew? Shit. Stew is POSITIVE John was not a
fascist (DUH), he is
POSITIVE SCS is so good. He is way too emotionally involved in this
nothingness.
Stewart met me on phone and chat - immediately liked me (Stewart). Yeah,
he's BEEN ASSOCiATING with klippoths - and well, our clique tends to JUDGE
HIM
by this. Association - blindness - even still PRO the klippoths. It's all
too
clear to many of us exactly what John was. From DAY ONE. But he's not like
that - unfortunately, he's a bit SLOW - and speaks even slower. His writing
NEEDS to be edited so that it's clear what he's talking about. He's gonna
get
into
BIG trouble with the COS, but he claims he doesn't care. Uh huh. I
certainly
don't care
and never did. Chaos will soon find out this poison comes from the top - it
started
with Doc and is carried on by Blanche.
Oh, LOL, the Simpson thing? HA!! Aside from it becine a black/white issue
(what else?)
Well, ahem:
Want to KNOW what happened from a Ching Reading? :D :D :D
After all, we get very accurate readings about Innsmouth and the Deep Ones
from it :D You planning to write a story? OH, you can get seriously good
ideas from that. I'll do it - and save it since well, it's STORYYYYYY!!!
And
all story in the mythos is GOOD story, imo. Ok, here goes then:
Question: did Marsh Refining people have anything to do directly with the
tax
inspector's
death?
Note I qualified it; DIRECTLY.
Answer: No. BUT! They had an inner influence. Gradually this was felt. Not
direct tho. Two levels.
On the mundane level: they exhibited him for all to see (shows he was
related
to them).
They influenced his will in invisible ways. Made him see/contemplate
HIMSELF.
He never saw that before. He got objectivity and looked back over his
entire
life and
got clarity. Before he had a little boy's idea and he was in reality a
"wussy"
(weak, wimpy, unable to form appraisals of anyone or anything on his own,
blindly
working to undermine what he thought were an evil dirty enemy - i.e., Deep
Ones). They
ripped open his veneer and MADE HIM SEE. (Image not clear on ripped open, is
that
literal or somethint else? We could do more readings or get some gory idea
for a story..)
Directly they did this. But INdirectly, in the end, this led to death.
That's the first part.
On the Sorcery level: HIDDEN THREADS were involved, tugging. He CLUNG with
the "yellow" force and it led directly to his death! His yellowing led
DIRECTLY to his death.
Curious, this color thing always comes up in EVERY reading on the Deep Ones.
There is nothing
in the I Ching Treatises about this, but we did do readings once to see if
we
could get a handle on
what this is. The readings, btw, are very consistent!!! You could
literally
use them to just copy
and write a whole story, but you'd need a lot of readings and they take LONG
to do.
Yellowing is a hyper regulating thing, hyper control. - He was a tax
collector - so - control.
Aside from that POSSIBLE explanation - well, 3 times outside forces
threatened
Deep Ones in
word or deed (include the grocery store guy). What happened to him, his
clarity, is a VERY Durga
thing, by the way. Then he died (story said he vanished). Keep in mind,
"died" could be drowned,
in which case, he's NOT dead - he's a transformed Deep One. (So the human
dies and the Deep One
is born - is how I'd make that).
More:
He began to feel he did not fit in, he was "good" and the DOs were "evil," a
very
xian like feeling (Ching shows man on cross image). He had coverings to
cover
his real self (working for the tax people?). They ripped it all off (literal
image again)
and made him SEE in a mirror. He was attacked for yellowing (trying to
control) and he did it because he
saw himself CLEARLY when they exposed him. He was in bed, seeing evil all
around him.
Hmm, in the story, it doesn't say anything about him returning from the
Refinery and/or
going to the Gilman House to sleep. That would take some interweaving of
events and CAREFUL
reading of that story.
In the fiction of Yuggoth, heads are removed from bodies and put into metal
cans). This has nothing to do with the Deep Ones - or er, it doesn't YET.
Anyone
can connect them: with a NEW story! We'll publish it, you write it! You
really don't
know the whole mythos well enough tho - LOTS of stories were take offs on
stuff
like this. That's why I picked the tax inspector for a start. Never been
done.
Back to reading, other additional tid bits.
People talked about him. He was criticized a LOT and from
many. He could not stand criticism and got around it before by doing what he
always did with his lofty words and avoidances, or by attacking the
critique.
But when they captured him (shows restraints in image) he got REAL OBJECTIVE
criticism for the first time and he could NOT stand it. They made him see
who
he
REALLY was (part D.O. himself I guess).
Mr. Rock became Mr. Slug (that is the image)* when real objective criticism
came. He could not hack it. He was LONELY, immature, didn't know who he was
at all. He saw his past WITHOUT EGO in like a sped up film. He saw it
WITHOUT
EGO. He was put on exhibit, yet he WAS extremely exhibitionistic and vain -
but his vanity was purely fake, he WAS a fake with only a display of how
hard
he was.
They ripped off his facade and there was nothing left standing but a
"wussie."
(I'd say no, they ripped off his human facade and showed him he was part of
their
race!)
On another level: Mr. Rock - that's the literal image - humans have bones.
He became Mr. Slug - often Deep Ones are described as BONELESS. Slugs are
more like the Yuggs tho.
THAT is the reading.>>
(NOTE: I did a reading when the OJ Simpson trial started. "DID HE DO IT"
Ching said no that his hands are too big. HUH? Then the gloves thing came
out! AH, we see! Ching says he knows who DID do it. !! The gloves of the
real murderer were not OJ's gloves - INTERESTING in light of WHEN we
did this! Whatever. I have about 3 notebooks full of readings on the Deep
Ones,
on many of the DO characters in the tales and on alternate scenarios, like
"what
happened AFTER that" since no one wrote the story. I've passed this out to
people that write too and I've seen stories that obviously used the info.
:)
About the other shit? He's on the phone now, I'll just paraphrase it.
OK, Chaos (I KNOW you think he's crazy and hate him, but...)
He claims that Ygraine has this slime-cling she does. He claims he he SEES
it.
He's
known her from chat and from online for quite a long time, has all her
music,
hates it.
The "shiney" he calls it. You saw all the emails, me emailing her own letter
about her
husband and Andre, the jacqueline logs dissected by me, you saw this all I
HOPE
- you must LEARN THIS, Ole. Mutual admiration society? They loathe each
other.
He claims he zonked Ygraine 3 times and 3 times her threads were "going
somewhere"
tipped in "that reality." The 3 zonks were deflected. He claims that she
has
STAINED:
Jacqueline, Roccio and PEGGY. Who else? Don't know. Chaos is talking WAY
weird
on this shit. this too. Everything to him is magic. Cops give me the addy
of a person
so I can file a complaint, HE thinks it's magic. You saw that. The "What
kind of
Black magic is this?" email. Ok, Jesus Rivera time.
He claims his zonk got deflected - it would not hit her "cling puppets" who
she is INSIDE of
but it WOULD hit anything BONDED TO THEM! EG, John was bonded to Jacqueline,
he REALLY LOVED her Ole - I talked to him on phone. I KNOW. But I also know
the man was a sloooow talking moron, no heart, nothing UNTIL she came up -
then
HEART and fast talking. Yg has this "girlfriends" thing, Chaos tried to
explain what "
girlfriends thing"is - like huh? It seems to be something other than
"friends." Deflected
zonks would NOT hit what is ATTACHED to her like that. But it WOULD hit
anything
attached to her puppets!!! Now this is like what Egan is saying. Yeah,
AFTER the fact?
She should NEVER have posted that shit about the death. NEVER. He also
imagines
that Nagy, this "big bad dangerous COS Magister" might hunt him down and do
something
to him. He went on vacation all terrified. The problem with this is,
we're
on the damned phone.
It is highly unusual for a zonk to do this - tho I zonked Soly and yeah, he
died in a very strange way - the coronor couldn't believe it! When I zonked
him, he knew it - and told me "it was as if something punched his heart
out."
Oh, is that like saying that a person one on one KNOWS you are very pissed
at
them?
And so he feels it? Yeah, it is exactly like saying that.
His heart exploded 6 months later. But that's not suicide. Point is, he
died
in an
ACCIDENT. Yeah, it was odd, but so what? I don't believe that releasing
rage
or "cos style zonk" against a person can cause a total stranger to run him
over in
a car accident. But, ahem, these people are SSSSsatanists (translation:
superstitious IDIOTS)
But, ok, there is NO WAY that could have happened to him: not a mark was on
his
upper area. He had a broken leg and scratched ankle!! He bled to death
inside
himself. Btw, why did I zonk Soly? Because he KEPT bridging a gulf
between our world, and the klip world - he could NOT extricate himself from
them - part of him was WITH THEM. Can't be in both places. You either get
shoved into their loka, permanently, like DOOR SHUT FOREVER - or you die
from
someone that will simply - kill you! But, this is like mystical talk merged
with
what really happened. Whatever.
I can tell you what I REALLY think but ------------------
this better not get out. Andy made some SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS enemies
at Captiva Southseas job. Andy was armed security there, investigating
what looked like random robberies. Well, it was WAY bigger - bad shit.
WHAT I KNOW: The DEA was down there shortly after due to what
BOTH Andy and Dawn did. Dawn's kidneys failed - and again, it was of
UNKNOWN
CAUSE. She almost died. And that was around the same time Andy was run
over in an accident that NEVER got investigated! Now - THAT is what I think
that's about. He was trouble, from a, to z - and of course Andy was a COS
member.
Another fucked up abuse victim with an alcoholic father and a mother who
never
had the brains to call 911 when the husband went berserk. TRASH. Oh, he
was
a poet alright. But he was trash - now he's dead trash. There was a COP
involved
in that Captiva stuff. I don't just know, it finally got busted and made
news
when
the DEA got done. And so. Andy, imo was OFFED by the people he screwed.
Dawn was almost offed.
As to John? Oh hell, Egan claims he cursed him. maybe he did - and so
what?
I'm STILL smiling, Ole. So now someone wants to claim this shit is
maaaagickkkk?
Well, they get it from Aaaanton with his Mansfield baloney. What does
anyone
EXPECT satanists to say or claim? EH? Come on. Isn't Doc the ruler and the
precident by which they set all their stupid standards? Yup.
And if his hysteric bitch bothers me one more time, I'll press charges for
stalking.
You DO realize, these people are utterly insane now - don't you? I was NOT
exagerrating!
Btw, I did tell Chaos that I would destroy these people. BEFORE it happened.
:) This had NOTHING to do with the various Satanic cliques either. Hell.
Well, um. I can also predict you'll have a dinner in 30 minutes if I cook
one.
Ha! I set the legal forces against them, showing a pattern that they can
clearly
see by WATCHING - or maybe even infiltrating them. ADL is legal, btw.
Right, I'm not LaVey. :)
You have no conception of what the entire LHP and occult scene was like
BEFORE
he showed up, with his self-loathing hateful shit, and started to RAG on
everyone;
expecially those who knew something about folklore and traditions and
regarded
him as a total fraud. The whole rest of his org are just following in his
poisonous
footsteps. Since you know I think this, knew I thought it - well?
Yeah, I'll show him this message myself. Who cares.
Tani
"Ygraine" <ldyygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GUlLLOTlNA
I love how this little screed is supposed to be somehow less incriminating and
stupid than the one posted by SirChaos: if anything, it's worse.
>WHAT I KNOW: The DEA was down there shortly after due to what BOTH Andy and
Dawn did. Dawn's kidneys failed - and again, it was of UNKNOWN CAUSE. She
almost died. And that was around the same time Andy was run over in an accident
that NEVER got investigated! Now - THAT is what I think that's about. He was
trouble, from a, to z - and of course Andy was a COS member. [::snip Phyl's
obssession with CoS member's parental relationships::] And so. Andy, imo was
OFFED by the people he screwed. Dawn was almost offed.>>
::laughs until the rafters ring:: Those damned men in black, you just never
know where they'll turn up next.
Some people have -no idea- when to keep their mouths shut.... good thing, too.
It'd be a lot less funny around here if they did.
L.
*********
(Forget the quote. The original email is simply filled with the day's
obligatory thigh-slappers.)
YgraineGidney
I had forgotten how weird she could be. I am not saying she is Ms. Sanity
lately, but she has been a bunch better than that.
Poor old thing.
Between conspiracy theories, weird magical beliefs, bizarre sexual assumptions,
and the need to be up everyone's ass, I am happy to report I have moved from
hate, to disdain, to contempt, to pity.
I am delighted to be in this position.
Y~
circe
You're old too and you're fat. You got huge thighs, jagged teeth, bad skin, and
I bet you have to wear a tarp over that well used and stretched out slit of
yours as a tampon. You don't bathe and you have rats nests in your hair. Your
make-up is horrible and you have embarrassed your children, yea all 5 of em; by
paradeing around every town you've ever lived in in some black cult garb. You
just plain stink. But that's not what is really ugly about you. The ugliest
thing about you is that you are just plain mean to people that you don't even
know.
Have a nice day!
---------------
"No. You're a scumbag, I don't like you, get away from me, you stink, I
don't want to hear what you have to say, I'm not interested, you are not
welcome here, go find another sucker." -Blanche Barton.
YgraineGidney
store and slit the throats of my children.
circe
>store and slit the throats of my children.
Look, bitch. Not too many people like you as it is. You are the one that was
making death threats against Tani, myself as well as others who just didn't
happen to like you very much. Actually, I'm surprised you're still alive after
all the shit your no good for nothin', manipulative, strip tease dancin' CoS
membership pimpin', crotch cricket infested, lot lizard, scally waggin',
gnarly, jagged toothed, thunder thighed, cum gurglin', KKK preachin', snake
handlin', black bible thumpin', pinky dick humpin', fat tailed, trailor trashy,
old worn out, Lorretta Lynn twin lookin', ass has pulled off on others! Fuck
you Bitch! And your damn kids too!
People's Commissar
have fun with Tarot Cards to get plots for stories?
You are a certified fucking lackey - absolutely. You can't read. Some of
the abusive beatings must have rattled what passes for your brain.
Here - have some fucking jello - Ms. Gelatin on Two Feet. You have an
EATING DISORDER - fact.
Have a miserable day, LMAO. :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
TJ
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Pretty cool, huh? Guess who's message is not only far too long for
this list of line breaks? Don't even have to count characters to see
that this is a slapped-together forgery.
Funny, the one I posted matches these same numbers to a T.
Not that I mind. The "Magic of the I Ching" is written about
specifically in her own "Doctrines" - the one on the Tao, if I recall
correctly, and her "Zonks" has long before been clearly defined. Not
only does this forge make her look more asinine than the real, but she
discredits her own work, by her own hand, by posting it. How could I
argue with such masochism?
My point was made long, long ago, to everyone whom I cared to make
it.
-Sir Chaos
--
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ
has been for us."
- Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
People's Commissar
got this email. This one was fw'd to me from Jeff Gerber's email.
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Once received, I reformatted it in MS word - I did not change the text
itself. The Marsh Refinery does not refer to Philip. It refers to
something in a SCI FI STORY. That is what I wrote - simple as that. I
wrote it to Ole Wolf with bcc's to quite a few people.
The Taoist article is over your head. As it should be. END of story.
YgraineGidney
circe
>You know you're doing fine when Tani Jantsang and Nancy Warlick hate your
>guts.
LOL! Moron!
Sir Chaos
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> got this email. This one was fw'd to me from Jeff Gerber's email.
And then:
[snip headers of some other mail]
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> itself. The Marsh Refinery does not refer to Philip. It refers to
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> wrote it to Ole Wolf with bcc's to quite a few people.
Yours is the same format as Jeff Gerber's original post,
Message-ID: <3B59...@MailAndNews.com>. He has the same stuff and
claims to have snipped out "personal information on Soly" - indicating
that the message is even longer. Both messages are much longer than
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Guess what? Mine matches exactly.
It has all along.
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You can show SOME of your people - be careful. Or maybe - better
think
before you show anyone. Chaos already knows - he thought HE DID IT
because of being attacked and redding on a person. But he found out
who
he red on. Someone else. Better not show ANYONE. I told him I'd
have
to check somehow, there are TWO possibilities but sorcery WAS involved
for sure.
What happened? did you see the FILTH he wrote me before he died? Did
you see my analysis of it for Stewart who wishes to REMAIN blind. He
is
POSITIVE John was not a fascist (DUH), he is POSITIVE SCS is so good.
He
is way too emotionally involved in this nothingness, in this total
fraud.
Stewart met me on phone and chat - immediately liked me (Stewart).
Yeah,
he's BEEN ASSOCiATING with klippoths - and well, our clique tends to
JUDGE HIM by this. Association - blindness - even still PRO the
klippoths. It's all to clear to many of us exactly what John was.
From
DAY ONE. But he's not like that - unfortunately, he's a bit SLOW -
and
speaks even slower. His writing NEEDS to be edited so that it's clear
what he's talking about.
Want to KNOW what happened from a Reading? It confirms one of 2
suspicions I had on the SORCERY LEVEL, Ole and Chaos.
Question: did we (Phil and I, one or the other, sorcery and ZONKS
levelled - bad ones) have anything to do directly with JD's death?
Note I qualified it; DIRECTLY.
Answer:
No. BUT! We had an inner influence. Gradually this was felt. Not
direct tho. Two levels.
On the mundane level: we exhibited him for all to see (he was TOS
doctrinaire without having read TOS material: said openly to HIM with
Ventrue there, and written in document that MANY SAW!). We (or
I?)influenced his will in invisible ways. Made him see/contemplate
HIMSELF. (Refer to Wayne Hill's letter, he was way more far gone than
even Wayne) He never saw that before. He got objectivity and looked
back over his entire life (like Wayne Hill!) and got clarity. Before
he
had a little boy's idea and he was in reality a "wussy" (weak, wimpy,
unable to form appraisals of anyone or anything on his own). I ripped
open his veneer and MADE HIM SEE. (Directly I did this, I know this.
But INdirectly led to death - after all, Wayne is not dead).
On the Sorcery level: HIDDEN THREADS were involved, tugging. He
CLUNG
with the yellow force and it led directly to his death! (Note this
says
DIRECTLY). His yellowing led DIRECTLY to his death.
More:
He began to feel he did not fit in, he was "good" and we were "evil,"
a
very xian like feeling (Ching shows man on cross image). He had
coverings to cover his real self. I ripped it all off and made him
SEE
in a mirror. (I also ripped his wife's coverings off - for that he
thought my brains was on Yuggoth? In the fiction of Yuggoth, heads
are
removed from bodies and put into metal cans).
He was attacked for yellowing and he did it because he saw himself
CLEARLY when I exposed him. He was in bed, seeing evil all around
him.
People talked about him (yes, the Davis' were known to be back
stabbing
suck ups - Morgenne on satanmuse knows this). He was criticized a LOT
and from many. He could not stand criticism and got around it before
by
doing what he always did with his lofty words and avoidances, or by
attacking the critique. But when I got him he got REAL OBJECTIVE
criticism for the first time and he could NOT stand it.
Mr. Rock became Mr. Slug (that is the image) when real objective
criticism came. He could not hack it. He was LONELY, immature,
didn't
know who he was at all. He saw his past WITHOUT EGO in like a sped up
film (THAT IS DURGA that does this!!!). He saw it WITHOUT EGO. He
was
put on exhibit, yet he WAS extremely exhibitionistic and vain - but
his
vanity was purely fake, he WAS a fake with only a display of how hard
he
was. I ripped off his facade and there was nothing left standing but
a
"wussie."
THAT is the reading.
(NOTE: I did a reading when the OJ Simpson trial started. "DID HE DO
IT" Ching said no that his hands are too big. HUH? Then the gloves
thing came out! AH, we see! Ching says he knows who DID do it. !!
The
gloves of the real murderer were not OJ's gloves - that pretty much
cinched it: he didn't do it.)
WHAT I KNOW: Ygraine has this slime-cling she does. CHAOS knows this
too, he SEES it. You saw all the emails, me emailing her own letter
about her husband and Andre, the jacqueline logs dissected by me, you
saw
this all I HOPE - you must LEARN THIS, Ole. I send you stuff not to
gossip but to TEACH by example. I'm ALWAYS about "the above." You
saw
all that. We zonked Ygraine 3 times and 3 times her threads were
"going
somewhere" tipped in that reality. The 3 zonks were deflected. I
know
three people at least that she has STAINED: Jacqueline, Roccio and
PEGGY. Who else? Don't know. Chaos knows this too.
Zonk got deflected - it would not hit her cling puppets who she is
INSIDE
of - but it WOULD hit anything BONDED TO THEM! EG, John was bonded to
Jacqueline, he REALLY LOVED her Ole - I talked to him on phone. I
KNOW.
But I also know the man was a sloooow talking moron, no heart, nothing
UNTIL she came up - then HEART and fast talking. Yg has this
"girlfriends" thing. Deflected zonks would NOT his what is ATTACHED
to
her like that. But it WOULD hit anything attached to her puppets!!!
We
also got her HEAD ON too - BAD.
It is highly unusual for a zonk to do this - tho I zonked Soly and
yeah,
he died in a very strange way - the coronor couldn't believe it! When
I
zonked him, he knew it - and told me "it was as if something punched
his
heart out." His heart exploded 6 months later. ! But that's not
suicide.
And there is NO WAY that could have happened to him: not a mark was
on
his upper area. He had a broken leg and scratched ankle!! He bled to
death inside himself. Btw, why did I zonk Soly to death? Because he
KEPT bridging a gulf between our world, and the klip world - he could
NOT
extricate himself from them - part of him was WITH THEM. Can't be in
both places. You either get shoved into their loka, permanently, like
DOOR SHUT FOREVER - or you die from someone that can kill you that
way.
Ching says JD died due to yellowing and that LED TO his death
directly.
Yellowing is a hyper regulating thing, hyper control. He did this to
Jacqueline? The zonk hit him. He SAW himself as a result. ? That
doesn't fit. Nope. The first part fits. So then, two things
happened.
Aside from that POSSIBLE explanation - well, 3 times he threatened a
Durga in word or deed. What happened to him, his clarity, is VERY
Durga
thing. Then he blew his head off. I think that is MOST LIKELY
explanation. But what led to his war with a Durga? Yellowing.
Egan did not zonk him. I DID. I'm STILL smiling, Ole. I'm happy.
One
down.
And if his hysteric bitch bothers me one more time, I'll destroy her
but
not with sorcery - that would be TOO NICE. Oh well, maybe...
You DO realize, these people are utterly insane now - don't you? I
was
NOT exagerrating!
Btw, I did tell Chaos that I would destroy these people. BEFORE it
happened. :)
Right, I'm not LaVey. :)
---end of message---
Are we having fun yet? You know, I have more where this came
from. We had a pretty long discussion on "Magic", where you went
throug each of these points you now would deny.
Remember this one?
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No. I DID tell him that we "zonked" Ygraine for her shit 3 times and
it
was deflected. AND I told him to tell NO ONE. Now I know he can not
be
trusted :)
OK?
On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:38:11 -0700 "Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com>
writes:
> I have personally witnessed and participated in "LaVeyan style =
> utter bullshit nothing", both as a group and myself alone, and have
> seen, KNOWN, clearly and obviously physical effect from this magic.
> In fact, in CMI, we practiced absolute and utter bullshit in the
> knowledge of it's falsity to quite some effect practically every
> time. It is true that the mechanics of the stuff is actually on a
> different level, that anyone can go through the motions but only so
> many can actually invoke the essence of their will through ritual
> (the rest just look funny and wish), but it's not all a *just* a
> waste of time, not for everyone. Conversely I periodically have
> sensed the activity of others as the target of this style of magic
> (which I have been calling "pseudomagic" and "ritual magic" for lack
> of better words to differentiate it from Tani's definitions of magic
> or my "colors"). The end has always been the same.
Then you knew some that could do "something" but just what is another
matter. I've known blacks able to really do this shit. But the
people
in the "big mouth" clique in cos can do NOTHING - NO magic.
>
> As stated before, it has not really been my impression that John
> was capable of this sort of thing: for one thing, it takes a
> considerable amount of personal power to actually make me aware of
> my defenses in action - usually it is a purely automatic, effortless
> reaction (like light in a mirror); if I ever notice it it is more
> like a memory, hindsight. For another, he is just not the type.
>
> (all quotes TJ)
> > This IS what happened for real - KEEP PRIVATE, this is NOT for
> ears that
> > don't know or who have NEVER SEEN:
>
> Apparently Citizen Stewart has heard from you some quotes from
> this mail (over the phone), he was asking me about it before I had
> seen it. Would it be okay to let him in, or forward him parts
> pertinent?
You COULD tell him that people do get zonked for clinging and Ygraine
is
a CLINGER. That is all.
>
> > We blasted Ygraine THREE TIMES - her threads were skewed but
> straight,
> > like tipping into "somewhere else." Those "girls" she is mother
> hen to.
> > That is where her threads tipped into. Those 3 zonks got
> DEFLECTED.
>
> Deflected?
yeah, that's an English word. Deflected. ONTO: figure it out.
>
> > Now, Jacqui is ONE of those girls, fully soiled by Ygraine as YOU
> KNOW.
> > But who is Jacqui bonded to in love? John. HE GOT HIT. He was
> > extraneous to her slime.
>
> "All things are an act of Will" - now you say this was an
> accident, or was it someone else's (like Ygraine's) Will?
You are NOT understanding. She has talons in the girlfriends. The
MEN
who these girlfriends are also attached to are NOT filled with her
talons. They are - refuse to her. Deflecting of bullet to what is
ATTACHED to her - onto the "refuse" attached to them. GET IT? A
links
to B's, but the B's have OTHER links to C's that are irrelevent to A.
THEY get hit. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
>
> > The 4th zonk was head on - WE GOT HER. HER - not anyone else.
> And we
> > will CONTINUE to do so.
>
> BTW: Who's WE? You and Casey? You and Phil? The whole gang
> (except myself)?
Me and Phil. NO ONE ELSE. We CAN do this.
>
> > He died on the 27th. He didn't do anything to you. Not able.
> NONE of
> > them are. The BEST they can do is cling and they don't even know
> they
> > are doing that.
>
> And Xloptuny has never once attempted to cling to me, or anyone
> else to my knowledge. But I know that what *I* (or my shiny) did
> went right back to its originator, so that pretty much seals that.
I HOPE it was Ygraine! or er, - it would get deflected since you
don't
know how to TARGET or "see threads" like that. No, Xlop is the TYPE
to
resist a cling from "the mother hen" on his beloved. HE IS that
type!!
I KNOW that much. Now she's alone - yeah, alone. With Mother Hen who
has already REALLY started to do her thing. YUCH.
>
> > No pseudomagic would be able to make that happen to you.
>
> What I felt is exactly like what I normally feel specifically
> when what I call "pseudomagic" or "ritual magic" is targeting me. I
> just need a better word.
>
> > You better learn the definitions, Chaos.
>
> Unless you have a better word for it, I'll just call it R/SM
> ("Ritual/Satanic Magic") from here out.
>
> > If you went red on someone, they REALLY
> > DID attack you and the bitcher is, these yokels probably don't
> even know
> > they are doing it.
>
> Kind of hard to bang a gong, let alone do R/SM without "knowing
> you're doing it"...
>
DONT call it that. Call it what it specifically is. Calling
something
magic is like calling something chemistry. You need to be SPECIFIC.
> But:
>
> > Probably was your ex-friend due to the girl thing.
>
> Probably it was one of the ex-CMI guys still freaking out about
> me. Maybe they thought it was safer for them if I was some distance
> away - sounds like the logic a few of my "friends" would use.
>
> > Only a clinger would provoke that kind of thing in you. ANYONE
> who could
> > REALLY DO sorcery of the dark/light would NOT get that close to
> you -
> > they'd BACK OFF - and NOT get zonked. Get it? Anyone able to do
> that
> > without unconsciously clinging like ALL klippoths do, is a REAL
> MAGICIAN
> > - not a pseudo anything. Get your terms right.
>
> The dark/light magic that *I* experienced was 100% different
> from this experience, which is more of an ordinary "ho hum o yeah"
> experience (to me). Although the mechanics behind R/SM magic that
> make it work is definitely related to Light Magic (if not dark, for
> some of the "advanced" stuff), it has been made adequately clear to
> me that this is not the same stuff as what we have been calling REAL
> MAGIC. Anyway, R/SM seems more specific than "pseudomagic", so okay
> already.
Most magic that these idiots do is merely CLINGING. Yes, RITUAL magic
can get the LIGHT up and cause a real zonk - and it can also KILL you
(when I did a ritual long ago - it killed a person - I used the light
-
that is THE MOST powerful psycho-physical force IN THE UNIVERSE - just
by
the way, Chaos! :)
>
> > Defense GREEN. Attack a clinger: RED.
>
> I remembered my defense this time. Yes, it was GREEN. All I
> did was bring green onto myself and brought red to where my shiny
> was acting, the "other end", quietly, as my shiny did it's own
> concave thing. Kind of a whim, really - barely noticed myself doing
> it. It felt RIGHT this time. Shit, I KNOW it as perfectly
> executed, as DONE.
>
> I was relaxing, "tranced out" staring at the water from the
> beach. Didn't even blink.
>
> > Trust me, HE didn't do anything to you - OR to me, nor did he even
> try.
>
> Wait... you just said (in the letter I was replying to):
>
> "If this is true - well, he should NOT have tried to zonk me!
> HE DID TRY!!"
>
> Whoever was doing R/SM at me didn't exactly succeed either. Did
> John TRY or not?
NO. John didn't do ANYTHING. NOT EVEN to me - he just vlew off
bullshit
trying to flame me. He was too pent up with his "higher than thou" bs
to
zonk ANYTHING.
>
> > I wrote you an email: "I'm going to DESTROY their lives, DESTROY
> THEM."
> > I said that. Kindly destroy that email :)
>
> Remember title of said email? Was it before I left or while I
> was gone?
WAY before you left - before you destroy, send me a COPY!
>
>
> -Sir Chaos
>
>
Visit our website at http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/index.html
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O, there is much more. I could prove by it's sheer mass that any
forgery by myself would have involved more waking hours than could be
reasonably believed.
I love playing magician. You yapped for MEGABYTES on this shit.
There is no way I could forge it all. It could take months to review,
and believe me, you wouldn't like it, Worm Queen. You really don't
get less loony. And your chance to shut up is long since past.
What I have posted is really only a miniscule sample, to prove a
simple point. Better you accept it than dig deeper in argument.
Comparing your faulty memory with my databases is a big mistake.
You're really, really funny when you get going, you know that?
-Sir Chaos
--
"You needn't trouble yourself about my .sigfiles at least: they're
random quotes from whatever I've been reading and thought quotable
enough to scribble in my Pocket Computer. Any relevance of them to
our little conversations is purely a Rorschachism on your part:
they're more or less randomly appended."
- Brother Lupo helps inspire Sir Chaos's Sig Hell program
People's Commissar
some other ISP using Juno as an email addy and not changed, commented on,
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That's it. The one Jeff wrote to another person about, was not an original.
I HAVE the original, as I'm sure Ole Wolf does since it was TO HIM.
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These are JUNO headers. The To From is at the top, NOT in the middle as it
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This is the original I have, not Jeff or Ole. I ought to know what I wrote
Ole about and it was about writing a story, for the most part. Everyone
else into the sci fi got bcc's of this. You just don't have a clue what the
story is about, or what we are talking about. Who gives a fuck what you
have, or what you change, or whatever other shit you do?
You DWELL in the past - I guess diabetes is a constant reminder of that
hell. You are your own curse. Yes, indeed. Hellish life. Hellish
memories. Hellish now - or no now at all. Unable to get past the daily
reminders of pass hellish life. Poor you. Schlesinger's kick dog.
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You can show SOME of your people - be careful. Or maybe - better think
before you show anyone. Chaos already knows - he HE DID IT. He's
terrified that they'll know who he is, where to find him. Hacking is
HIGHLY illegal. I regret that Mengele is in those damned logs. You can
show Chaos this too if you want, I don't care. Everyone will soon know
when they SEE THIS. If you want to delete certain nicks and write
"deleted" go ahead. I'd not bother to do that. Fuck them.
What happened with John? Don't know, but did you see the FILTH he wrote
me before he died? Did you see my analysis of it for Stew? Shit. Stew is
POSITIVE John was not a fascist (DUH), he is POSITIVE SCS is so good. He
is way too emotionally involved in this nothingness.
Stewart met me on phone and chat - immediately liked me (Stewart). Yeah,
he's BEEN ASSOCiATING with klippoths - and well, our clique tends to
JUDGE HIM by this. Association - blindness - even still PRO the
klippoths. It's all too clear to many of us exactly what John was. From
DAY ONE. But he's not like that - unfortunately, he's a bit SLOW - and
speaks even slower. His writing NEEDS to be edited so that it's clear
what he's talking about. He's gonna get into BIG trouble with the COS,
but he claims he doesn't care. Uh huh. I certainly don't care and never
did. Chaos will soon find out this poison comes from the top - it started
with Doc and is carried on by Blanche.
Oh, LOL, the Simpson thing? HA!! Aside from it becine a black/white issue
(what else?) Well, ahem: Want to KNOW what happened from a Ching Reading?
:D :D :D After all, we get very accurate readings about Innsmouth and the
Deep Ones from it :D You planning to write a story? OH, you can get
seriously good ideas from that. I'll do it - and save it since well, it's
STORYYYYYY!!! And all story in the mythos is GOOD story, imo. Ok, here
goes then:
Question: did Marsh Refining people have anything to do directly with the
tax inspector's death?
Note I qualified it; DIRECTLY.
Answer: No. BUT! They had an inner influence. Gradually this was felt.
Not direct tho. Two levels.
On the mundane level: they exhibited him for all to see (shows he was
related to them). They influenced his will in invisible ways. Made him
see/contemplate HIMSELF. He never saw that before. He got objectivity and
looked back over his entire life and got clarity. Before he had a little
boy's idea and he was in reality a "wussy" (weak, wimpy, unable to form
appraisals of anyone or anything on his own, blindly working to undermine
what he thought were an evil dirty enemy - i.e., Deep Ones). They ripped
open his veneer and MADE HIM SEE. (Image not clear on ripped open, is
that literal or somethint else? We could do more readings or get some
gory idea for a story..) Directly they did this. But INdirectly, in the
end, this led to death.
That's the first part.
On the Sorcery level: HIDDEN THREADS were involved, tugging. He CLUNG
with the "yellow" force and it led directly to his death! His yellowing
led DIRECTLY to his death. Curious, this color thing always comes up in
EVERY reading on the Deep Ones. There is nothing in the I Ching Treatises
about this, but we did do readings once to see if we could get a handle
on what this is. The readings, btw, are very consistent!!! You could
literally use them to just copy and write a whole story, but you'd need a
lot of readings and they take LONG to do.
Yellowing is a hyper regulating thing, hyper control. - He was a tax
collector - so - control.
Aside from that POSSIBLE explanation - well, 3 times outside forces
threatened Deep Ones in word or deed (include the grocery store guy).
What happened to him, his clarity, is a VERY Durga thing, by the way.
Then he died (story said he vanished). Keep in mind, "died" could be
drowned, in which case, he's NOT dead - he's a transformed Deep One. (So
the human dies and the Deep One is born - is how I'd make that).
More: He began to feel he did not fit in, he was "good" and the DOs were
"evil," a very xian like feeling (Ching shows man on cross image). He had
coverings to cover his real self (working for the tax people?). They
ripped it all off (literal image again) and made him SEE in a mirror. He
was attacked for yellowing (trying to control) and he did it because he
saw himself CLEARLY when they exposed him. He was in bed, seeing evil all
around him.
Hmm, in the story, it doesn't say anything about him returning from the
Refinery and/or going to the Gilman House to sleep. That would take some
interweaving of events and CAREFUL reading of that story.
In the fiction of Yuggoth, heads are removed from bodies and put into
metal cans). This has nothing to do with the Deep Ones - or er, it
doesn't YET. Anyone can connect them: with a NEW story! We'll publish it,
you write it! You really don't know the whole mythos well enough tho -
LOTS of stories were take offs on stuff like this. That's why I picked
the tax inspector for a start. Never been done.
Back to reading, other additional tid bits. People talked about him. He
was criticized a LOT and from many. He could not stand criticism and got
around it before by doing what he always did with his lofty words and
avoidances, or by attacking the critique. But when they captured him
(shows restraints in image) he got REAL OBJECTIVE criticism for the first
time and he could NOT stand it. They made him see who he REALLY was (part
D.O. himself I guess).
Mr. Rock became Mr. Slug (that is the image)* when real objective
criticism came. He could not hack it. He was LONELY, immature, didn't
know who he was at all. He saw his past WITHOUT EGO in like a sped up
film. He saw it WITHOUT EGO. He was put on exhibit, yet he WAS extremely
exhibitionistic and vain - but his vanity was purely fake, he WAS a fake
with only a display of how hard he was. They ripped off his facade and
there was nothing left standing but a "wussie." (I'd say no, they ripped
off his human facade and showed him he was part of their race!)
On another level: Mr. Rock - that's the literal image - humans have
bones. He became Mr. Slug - often Deep Ones are described as BONELESS.
Slugs are more like the Yuggs tho.
THAT is the reading.
(NOTE: I did a reading when the OJ Simpson trial started. "DID HE DO IT"
Ching said no that his hands are too big. HUH? Then the gloves thing came
out! AH, we see! Ching says he knows who DID do it. !! The gloves of the
real murderer were not OJ's gloves - INTERESTING in light of WHEN we did
this! Whatever. I have about 3 notebooks full of readings on the Deep
Ones, on many of the DO characters in the tales and on alternate
scenarios, like "what happened AFTER that" since no one wrote the story.
I've passed this out to people that write too and I've seen stories that
obviously used the info. :)
About the other shit? He's on the phone now, I'll just paraphrase it. OK,
Chaos (I KNOW you think he's crazy and hate him, but...) He claims that
Ygraine has this slime-cling she does. He claims he he SEES it. He's
known her from chat and from online for quite a long time, has all her
music, hates it. The "shiney" he calls it. You saw all the emails, me
emailing her own letter about her husband and Andre, the jacqueline logs
dissected by me, you saw this all I HOPE - you must LEARN THIS, Ole.
Mutual admiration society? They loathe each other. He claims he zonked
Ygraine 3 times and 3 times her threads were "going somewhere" tipped in
"that reality." The 3 zonks were deflected. He claims that she has
STAINED: Jacqueline, Roccio and PEGGY. Who else? Don't know. Chaos is
talking WAY weird on this shit. this too. Everything to him is magic.
Cops give me the addy of a person so I can file a complaint, HE thinks
it's magic. You saw that. The "What kind of Black magic is this?" email.
Ok, Jesus Rivera time.
He claims his zonk got deflected - it would not hit her "cling puppets"
who she is INSIDE of but it WOULD hit anything BONDED TO THEM! EG, John
was bonded to Jacqueline, he REALLY LOVED her Ole - I talked to him on
phone. I KNOW. But I also know the man was a sloooow talking moron, no
heart, nothing UNTIL she came up - then HEART and fast talking. Yg has
this "girlfriends" thing, Chaos tried to explain what " girlfriends
thing"is - like huh? It seems to be something other than "friends."
Deflected zonks would NOT hit what is ATTACHED to her like that. But it
WOULD hit anything attached to her puppets!!! Now this is like what Egan
is saying. Yeah, AFTER the fact? She should NEVER have posted that shit
about the death. NEVER. He also imagines that Nagy, this "big bad
dangerous COS Magister" might hunt him down and do something to him. He
went on vacation all terrified. The problem with this is, we're on the
damned phone.
It is highly unusual for a zonk to do this - tho I zonked Soly and yeah,
he died in a very strange way - the coronor couldn't believe it! When I
zonked him, he knew it - and told me "it was as if something punched his
heart out." Oh, is that like saying that a person one on one KNOWS you
are very pissed at them? And so he feels it? Yeah, it is exactly like
saying that.
His heart exploded 6 months later. But that's not suicide. Point is, he
died in an ACCIDENT. Yeah, it was odd, but so what? I don't believe that
releasing rage or "cos style zonk" against a person can cause a total
stranger to run him over in a car accident. But, ahem, these people are
SSSSsatanists (translation: superstitious IDIOTS) But, ok, there is NO
WAY that could have happened to him: not a mark was on his upper area. He
had a broken leg and scratched ankle!! He bled to death inside himself.
Btw, why did I zonk Soly? Because he KEPT bridging a gulf between our
world, and the klip world - he could NOT extricate himself from them -
part of him was WITH THEM. Can't be in both places. You either get shoved
into their loka, permanently, like DOOR SHUT FOREVER - or you die from
someone that will simply - kill you! But, this is like mystical talk
merged with what really happened. Whatever.
I can tell you what I REALLY think but ------------------ this better not
get out. Andy made some SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS enemies at Captiva Southseas
job. Andy was armed security there, investigating what looked like random
robberies. Well, it was WAY bigger - bad shit.
WHAT I KNOW: The DEA was down there shortly after due to what BOTH Andy
and Dawn did. Dawn's kidneys failed - and again, it was of UNKNOWN CAUSE.
She almost died. And that was around the same time Andy was run over in
an accident that NEVER got investigated! Now - THAT is what I think
that's about. He was trouble, from a, to z - and of course Andy was a COS
member. Another fucked up abuse victim with an alcoholic father and a
mother who never had the brains to call 911 when the husband went
berserk. TRASH. Oh, he was a poet alright. But he was trash - now he's
dead trash. There was a COP involved in that Captiva stuff. I don't just
know, it finally got busted and made news when the DEA got done. And so.
Andy, imo was OFFED by the people he screwed. Dawn was almost offed.
As to John? Oh hell, Egan claims he cursed him. maybe he did - and so
what? I'm STILL smiling, Ole. So now someone wants to claim this shit is
maaaagickkkk? Well, they get it from Aaaanton with his Mansfield baloney.
What does anyone EXPECT satanists to say or claim? EH? Come on. Isn't Doc
the ruler and the precident by which they set all their stupid standards?
Yup.
And if his hysteric bitch bothers me one more time, I'll press charges
for stalking.
You DO realize, these people are utterly insane now - don't you? I was
NOT exagerrating!
Btw, I did tell Chaos that I would destroy these people. BEFORE it
happened. :) This had NOTHING to do with the various Satanic cliques
either. Hell. Well, um. I can also predict you'll have a dinner in 30
minutes if I cook one. Ha! I set the legal forces against them, showing a
pattern that they can clearly see by WATCHING - or maybe even
infiltrating them. ADL is legal, btw.
Right, I'm not LaVey. :)
You have no conception of what the entire LHP and occult scene was like
BEFORE he showed up, with his self-loathing hateful shit, and started to
RAG on everyone; expecially those who knew something about folklore and
traditions and regarded him as a total fraud. The whole rest of his org
are just following in his poisonous footsteps. Since you know I think
this, knew I thought it - well?
Yeah, I'll show him this message myself. Who cares.
Tani
That's IT, unformatted, with no extra lines added to it at all. Now kindly
go off with your "oaths to the death to LaVey" and your "abusive past" and
your whatever the fuck else, patt yourself on the back, get better - and get
a life. You are the past - totally the past. You just DO NOT get that.
None of you do. Abuse victims NEVER get over it. That's the freaking
truth.
PS - here is another authentic JUNO header, you Big Black Chaos Black Yang
fucking moron. I do realize you had genuine FUN for awhile with people who
were pretty easy going toward you. I realize that. And I realize that YOU
don't quire realize how much Ole, Casey and the whole rest DESPISED you for
the emotional fake you were - and that everyone in the CoS probably KNOWS
you ran behind my fucking apron to get Big Mag Help over NOTHING - and then
spied on them for their enemies - naive as you were. You ran to me because
you wanted to get even with Schlesinger - nothing more, nothing less. You
are trash, imo - and were quite useful for awhile. Now get back to the
trash where you belong and TRY, do TRY to have a good time: GET A LIFE.
Swearing death oaths to stupid little orgs like the CoS is not the way to
GET A LIFE.
You bet Gilmore is resistent to clinging. He'll play you like a violin.
Good! People can only be played if they WANT to be played. That is as it
SHOULD be.
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>I called Magister Gilmore and had quite a long talk with him.
>I tried using blue, a soft, gentle blue. I used it the way I'm
>used to using the shiney. When I spoke to him I was reassured.
>He is very resistant to clinging. When I tried, he resisted it.
>Overall the conversation was meaningful.
Oh shit, that again? HERE is my point, Chaos, and it has been since day
one:
Do you think Peter or Anton or any of them could talk to you on a phone
and SEE YOU COLOR? Well, my dear friend, they CAN NOT.
Why can't you just UGH... document bullying behavior, just DO THAT?
Peggy wants documentation, or so she said. HA! What, you backing down
on your own damned game plan here? Tish tish. Does she want the
documentation of Schlessinger's bullying behavior - OR - does she want
to find out WHO is complaining about what SHE is telling him to do.
You never thought of that, right. The Big Black Magician.
>I have complete confidence in Magister Gilmore and feel that he would
>make an excellent High Priest. I am confident in the Magical abilities of
>High Priest Blanche Barton.
What in hell are they DOING claiming to be Magisters or High Priests of ANY
Black
or Left Handed thing? They are ASKING TO BE CURSED and then you get everyone
claiming they are cursing people? When and if the real thing comes along,
like real
life "getting rid" or someone? Framing them? Whatever else? JH Rivera.
Consider it: COS was, the EOS was, the TOS was, every person in it was, Doc
was, aware of Zeena/Tos. And the TIMING? His daughter has insane
ideas in her head - PUT THERE BY AQUINO? Her UNfather? Virgin birth? Yeah,
I wrote them that she was GONNA do this. It's in writing! Ooops, how'd I
know?
Well, um... How can they deny that they got a letter defining this one year
before she did the
deed? How can they deny NOW that they do know that Doc DIED from heart
trouble
WHEN THEY CLAIMED HE WAS FINE? I KNEW IT. Pfft. I KNEW it. But did Doc know
that the person he chatted with all those years was the one who DID THIS?
What the fuck
kind of Magician is that? Since 1972 Aquino had his OWN THING. NO
magician, LBM
whatever bullshit. Where was his intuition? And Nick? He HAD to have been
against Doc
the whole time: the Larson interview alone PROVES IT. So WHAT the fuck is
he doing
proclaiming himself a Black Pope? It's easy to find out what people are up
to, what they
plan to do, what others are getting them to do. EASY. I wrote them 1 year
prior to her doing it.
Then she did it. GUESS WHO got the letter first? AQUINO. He gave it to a
person in
AMER and TOLD her to give it to me. At the time, Peter didn't seem to even
know she
did it. Before I showed Peter, I showed Jay.
Look, you had your little plan "expose the bullies" and now you see that the
COS is
like a Marketing thing, the shit comes from the top. They say one thing
with one side
of their faces, all very polite, and with the other side they encourage
bullying and
demolishing of any and all opposition. They can't be held responsible if
OTHERS
go and do it. Period.
Heh heh, what's the matter, Chaos, don't you STILL want to expose this all?
I didn't
think so. You thought you could suckup to a MAG and get some imagined
authority
to "get even" with your personal enemies in the COS - the bullies. HA!
Guess again.
There is only so many times now - I'm gonna EXPOSE this shit boy - there
will then be
only so many people that these petty bastards will be able to COERCE that
way the
next time. People will be hip to it, sick of it.
=========
PPS: GET A LIFE. (I predict you won't). Remember, I'm NOT the certifiable
lunatic and abusive monster: i.e., your mother. I'm not her. People like
you are always a total mess. Get LOST - or get a life! Remember, swearing
oaths to stupid orgs is not the way to GET A LIFE. Saving every piece of bs
I wrote you is NOT the way to GET A LIFE. I'm NOT YOUR MOMMY. I'm not
your KIN.
END of story, Chaos. Move on.
Sir Chaos
about my dear ol' mom, like that's going to change what is already
posted, or make her look smart in some way.
We already know what kind of an abject moron when it comes to
headers, Miss "Super News" Worm Queen.
Look, silly one, right in message ID <3B59...@MailAndNews.com>,
Jeff posted the message complete with it's "original" header:
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Look at it yourself. This header is from a different message. You
gonna tell me, after all this time, that Jeff didn't get this from
Juno? The numbers clearly do not line up. It's a long message, Worm
Queen! My "shorter" original has more line breaks than this!
Clearly, there are fewer line breaks listed than there are in your
"original" message. It's a fraud. And a desperate fraud at that.
Mine fit perfectly. *Ta-Da*
You sure are funny, Ooey Gooey.
-Sir Chaos
--
"Crowley was neither particularly famous nor much of an intellectual."
- Lupo
People's Commissar
People's Commissar
guts. LMAO - Want some jello?
You threw the whole bowl at Corax. Not fair. One small dish at a time.
That's better.
Hate is a pretty strong word, girl. Seriously. I think YOU hate - and over
some pretty damned petty STUPID shit considering you are now living where Da
Big Hole is - you know, WTC? Now - heh, I can see you HATING the people who
did that, and who might do it again.
On another thought, have some jello: - when suckup lackeys of your ilk HATE
people like Nancy, you know exactly what your entire clique is like.
NOWHERE land. Hate eats your chakras up from inside out. KEEP HATING,
PLEASE.
TJ
"YgraineGidney" <ygrain...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020408104512...@mb-fw.aol.com...
Sir Chaos
posts to alt.silly, the Worm Queen pauses to spit in my general
direction:
> Think whatever you like.
I will, inevitably. And odds are I'll like whatever I think.
Once again, I am prepared to leave the ancient question of "who's
email is true", as well as the eternal "who cares", to the denizens of
alt.silly to decide for themselves.
Do YOU think "adding spaces where there was none" produces LESS
line breaks in a message than there was before? Do you think that a
line break code posted long ago modifies ITSELF to suit the whims of
the Worm Queen? Do you care?
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Regardless of the facts,
it doesn't matter one whit which is "real". The desperate forge is
more damning than the original in it's own way.
Those blind enough to really believe the Worm Queen on this matter
have only a matter of time before they find the very principle she
denies in her own "doctrines". Keep laughing. The "Plane of Sticks"
awaits discovery, and the Zonk _is_ clearly defined. Even the "six
colors" and their domain are mentioned in the Tao article. The joke
is on _you_.
> Get a life.
A joke in and of itself, coming from the Worm Queen.
Go write some long twisted screed about my infernal alliance with
the awful conspiracy of Kevin, Scratch, Lupo, Guillotina, Ludvig,
Ygraine, random anonymous posters, and whoever else thinks you're a
laughable kook with too much time on her hands, or just plain dislikes
you. And don't neglect your egroups, I am certain that they deserve
some fifteen pages of screaming scrawl as well. And then visit your
chatroom, there is definitely a lot going on there for you to pay
attention to. And don't forget to push out some emails to "the gang",
and whoever else "NEEDS to KNOW" whatever whacked-out theory has
recently come to mind. And somewhere in between all this exciting
interaction, make sure you clean your "depends". The Church of Satan
is ->not<- responsable for the rashes you get from sitting in your own
shit.
As for me, I think I'll order another drink and get back to work,
doing what I love in a place I like to be. Waiter! Ahh. When I'm
done with this programming session I intend to go see a movie with a
very pretty girl. Then, who knows? Maybe I'll get a blow job.
Black Hell to me!
-Sir Chaos
--
"Disagreement is fine - but insanity is annoying."
- Brenda Mobley
People's Commissar
There are NO line breaks in original thru juno/from juno emails. Juno
emails have NOTHING like that on their headers. Lots of conversation
additionally occurred on the email after Jeff got the mail and news account.
Much repeated convo was DELETED - hence it was a lot shorter lest it take up
MB of email space. Whole paragraphs from Shadow Over Innsmouth ended up
pasted into that email as the subject continued about that alone. I would
imagine he DELETED the extraneous and later convo, put back the original
convo and tried to keep the original convo there. After all, the original
did not even GO to him at mailandnews.com And the original was to OLE.
You know - heh - bringing up email - either one, Chaos - it's about using
the Ching for a story line when someone can't think of one "on cue." The
other one is bringing up someone else's tragic event where the reading
doesn't even make sense. It DOES make sense for the character in the story
that it's about. No matter.
You keep doing that. Don't think it doesn't go unnoticed that the lady you
are HURTING is not me at all - let people think I do magic. I care? No. I
said enough about that incident right on here to be Horrible Bitch of The
Day in what the lady remembers as "the BEST flame war to outdo all the
others that alt.s ever saw." And she and I both agree that this is over,
it's history. But you keep bringing up THIS THING. NOT magic in the
context I actually used it, but in a way that doesn't even make sense. I
care? No. You keep bringing up a tragic thing - and I KNOW that the lady
in question is one that you tried to get "IN" with from day one - which is
the ONLY reason they ever bothered to phone me in the first place, which led
to, which led to - and which led to. She has rebuffed you and heh, you'd be
surprised what she KNOWS you are responsible for (logs). Before you go off
on this - SHE TOLD ME - I did NOT KNOW this. But SHE TOLD ME. Your attempt
to "GET IN" with her, especially her, resulted in a whole chain of events -
and then, she noticed, you did your vanishing act. You tried to tell her I
was someone she knew I was not in a chat room - because Dr. Joe knew exactly
who it was and TOLD THEM long before you showed up. You emailed it to
everyone "don't show Tani." OH, but they did show me. This is history, but
your machinations are transparent. You are REBUFFED - and so you seek to
hurt HER. And who was it with the NICK of the person that caused so many to
think it was "not true?" YOU, you registered his nick - ALL his nicks. YOU
did this. Of course, of course, you were being the Knight in Shining
Armor - yet still rebuffed. I'm being vague as to persons to try to AVOID
specific mention.
So here you are, posting your version of the email and what is it about?
Someone ELSE'S tragedy. Unconciousy? I think you repeat post that to hurt
her. I really think this. It doesn't bother anyone else.
Here: Do I go Magic? I do the Chod, you silly. I know all the yogas
Foster was going to initiate his people into. Um, that's all considered
magic. I love to play with the Ching - and get hilarious readings about sci
fi characters. OK? What's the big deal? There is no big deal. Every
Satanist does magic, whether they try to poo poo it or not. LaVey did it
too and he murdered Mansfield like Egan.....yeah and so forth. So what?
Hell, even Jung noticed oddness about the Ching - consistency in it. So?
I see the inner to what you are doing: posting to hurt ANOTHER PERSON -
probably unconsciously - because she REBUFED you from day one; because it
all means nothing to me. I know what I wrote - to Ole.
The Plane of Sticks is mentioned in the Great Treatise. That you have never
envisioned this and have no clue what it's about is as it SHOULD be. You
have to be - listen carefully - HEALTHY - to be able to do the yoga needed
to see this. You are not healthy. Of course I wrote about it. That's NOT
the point. I'm using the Ching to get story material. YOU are posting a
version of this that is designed to HURT ONE PERSON - and that's NOT me,
buster. You fool no one. I sincerely believe you are doing that, for that
reason. But then, you never know what you do - you forget.
End of subject.
TJ
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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Sir Chaos
You can rant and chant and squeal sensitive all you want, Ooey
Gooey. The various players you use in your infantile fantasies are
interchangable, the things you do with your dolls disgusting. In the
specific case at hand, indicated by these "Private" emails, horrific,
perverse, and asinine to say the least. But I don't have to prove how
crazy you are; anyone whom I would convince has waded through well
enough of your diherretic diatribes to know that well enough already.
Ooey Gooey squeals in the dankness:
> There are NO line breaks in original thru juno/from juno emails. Juno
> emails have NOTHING like that on their headers.
Ahh, so neither email came from you after all.
Mine has a fake header, and Jeff's is really from somewhere else
that apperantly uses similar fake headers. I see it now. And...
> Lots of conversation
> additionally occurred on the email after Jeff got the mail and news account.
> Much repeated convo was DELETED - hence it was a lot shorter lest it take up
> MB of email space. Whole paragraphs from Shadow Over Innsmouth ended up
> pasted into that email as the subject continued about that alone. I would
> imagine he DELETED the extraneous and later convo, put back the original
> convo and tried to keep the original convo there.
Okay, got it: So the one Jeff Gerber posted was "editied", whole
sections deleted, "original convo" inserted. A couple of words here
and there for "clarity", maybe. Screwed up the line breaks something
serious, making it much shorter than the "original" despite being
longer in the end.
Line breaks from an email that did not come from Juno, after all.
Amazing?
> After all, the original
> did not even GO to him at mailandnews.com And the original was to OLE.
All this time, Jeff and you have been lying about that cc thing? He
didn't recieve the original after all?
Amazing.
It is pure coincidence that numbers line up, in mine. Exactly.
-Sir Chaos
--
"I have made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my
enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."
- Voltaire
Ancient Logs! BONUS!
Session Start: Wed Jul 12 00:26:49 2000
Session Ident: Commissar (sla...@2Cust42.tnt6.tpa2.da.uu.net)
<Commissar> Listen to this. YGRAINE the mother hen also sent JY an
email - an "appeal to civility" --- LOL, JY saw that SHIT John wrote
me - and Ygraine Mother Slime Feces was CC on there. CIVILITY? JY
WAS VERY civil.
<Commissar> Now she apparently mother henned JACKIE POO into YABBERING
- flaming me.
<Commissar> chaos - SHE IS FINISHED. I WARNED her.
<Commissar> Ygraine has prompted this.
<Commissar> I AM GOING TO DESTROY HER.
<Commissar> DO YOU READ THIS?
<Commissar> Ygraine has done this - her STENCH is all over it.
<Commissar> He HAD to mother hen, HAD to pretend to be the arbitrator.
<Commissar> She had to I mean.
<Commissar> read this:
<Commissar> <Commissar> Listen to this. YGRAINE the mother hen also
sent JY an email - an "appeal to civility" --- LOL, JY saw that SHIT
John wrote me - and Ygraine Mother Slime Feces was CC on there.
CIVILITY? JY WAS VERY civil.
<Commissar> <Commissar> Now she apparently mother henned JACKIE POO
into YABBERING - flaming me.
<Commissar> <Commissar> chaos - SHE IS FINISHED. I WARNED her.
<Commissar> <Commissar> Ygraine has prompted this.
<Commissar> <Commissar> I AM GOING TO DESTROY HER.
<Commissar> <Commissar> DO YOU READ
<Commissar> <Commissar> DO YOU READ THIS?
<Commissar> <Commissar> Ygraine has done this - her STENCH is all over
it.
<Commissar> <Commissar> He HAD to mother hen, HAD to pretend to be the
arbitrator.
<Sir_Chaos> Yes I read.
<Commissar> <Commissar> She had to I mean.
<Commissar> <Commissar> read this:
<Commissar> YGRAINE has prompted the flame. JY was quite civil! LOOK
at that bludgeoning CUNT appealing to civility after what John wrote
me?
<Commissar> She has no idea why people like our stuff - OR LIKE ME.
<Sir_Chaos> In email? I'll check...
<Commissar> NO, NO NO NO.
<Commissar> she emailed JY with an appeal to civility. BITCH, Mother
Hen
<Sir_Chaos> I would like to see that email (for entertainment
purposes)
<Commissar> He trashed it.
<Commissar> too bad.
<Commissar> He posted the coronor's report remember.
<Sir_Chaos> O well, couldn't have been too special.
<Commissar> It was her "mother hen" mode, the "raional Ygraine" mode.
<Commissar> she needs to be taken down - HARD.
<Comm-afk> CHAOS, if that BITCH comes into this room - KICK BAN her.
YOU GOT THAT?
<Comm-afk> DO YOU READ?
<Sir_Chaos> before she does anything?
<Comm-afk> YES!
<Comm-afk> she is BANNED out of here by ME.
<Comm-afk> YES!
<Sir_Chaos> Put her on the AKICK list
<Comm-afk> it's one of those bans that doesn't fuck everything else on
AOL.
<Comm-afk> NO - can not akick. TOO MANY OTHERS end up banned. AOL -
a problem.
<Comm-afk> You KICK BAN HER - DO YOU HEAR?
<Sir_Chaos> hmmm
<Comm-afk> DO YOU HEAR?
<Sir_Chaos> Yes I hear, but I don't agree. Is this a place where I
cease negotiating?
<Sir_Chaos> She's small beans compared to Nancy here.
Session Close: Wed Jul 12 00:56:36 2000
People's Commissar
have very recent logs. Don't you wish you could see them?
You never move ahead. Your mother was an insane psychotic that abused you
with atrocious beatings, you ran away from home young and then you turned to
abusing yourself with mind-altering drugs which ended you up in the hospital
with diabetes. You are a human wreck.
Go flush yourself.
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
news:3dc2bc99.02041...@posting.google.com...
He wrote nothingness.
Ben Schultz
<climbs up on his soap box>
If all of these things happened to Sir Chaos, and he still managed to
become a productive member of society, it speaks volumes for both his
courage and determination. This is hardly something to be brought up
on usenet. Moreover during a debate about headers!
Last year you told me to "Flame in PROPORTION, please." This was in
response to a post about Lard Egan (Oops Typo... Oh well I already hit
"send") and his appearance on a cable television show about Satanism.
( Reference: Message-ID: <td9mao7...@corp.supernews.com>)
This year, I see you attempting to defend yourself by chastising
someone for taking matters into their own hands and making something
of themselves. This type of behavior is not only childish, but it
accomplishes nothing. What is the point of it?
And don't use the old "he threw the first stone" routine. This isn't
grade school. The teacher didn't catch you fighting behind the
bleachers. You are supposed to be an adult. Try to act like one.
You expect the people reading this group to take you seriously. What
you do here reflects poorly, not only on you, but on your organization
as well. Think about that next time you scoff at someone who made
something of themselves despite adversity in their lives.
<climbs off of his soap box. Puts it back behind the couch>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:23:32 -0400, "People's Commissar"
<tanija...@www.com> wrote:
>Yes, Jeff got it at the anonymous.to account. As usual, you can't read. I
>have very recent logs. Don't you wish you could see them?
>
<<<snipped anything about SC's past>>>
>
>"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
>news:3dc2bc99.02041...@posting.google.com...
>
>He wrote nothingness.
>
Ben
GUlLLOTlNA
Wow, I'd say Chaos yanked your chain with all this and yanked it *good,"
Phyllis!
Whatever will we see next?
The sheer amount of screaming that zonk post generates leads me to believe *in
and of itself* that Chaos is telling the truth! You really hate that post,
don't you Phyl? It burns you up, just seeing the headers for it. It makes your
trigger-finger itchy, doesn't it? Yeah baby, we KNOW and we have ALWAYS KNOWN
seeing that post makes you want to just kill someone.
NO ONE would spend this much time screaming about a fake post.
Frankly I don't give a flying damn what SirChaos' childhood was like: that is
irrelevant. I would say though, to anyone who does not already know better,
that telling Phyllis and any member of her little cabal *anything* personal is
dangerous in the extreme, since if you ever fall out everything you say will be
embellished and then used against you. (I am soooooo grateful I never told her
anything personal about myself.)
>You are a human wreck. Go flush yourself.>>
Yes, why don't you do that, you post-menopausal, drunken wreck whose main
mission in life was squatting by a roadside to pop out her illigitimate pups
(sired by a close male relative during one of those GENERATIONAL SATANIC RITES)
before ever she hit age 15! Wow, I am *impressed* I tell you.
I'd call you a bitch, but I see no reason to imsult female dogs.
Let's see you ZONK your way out of this one. Flush yourself now!
With utmost sincerity:
L.
Sir Chaos
So the email servers at anonymous.to distort messages from Juno in
such a way that these messages are not only no longer from Juno, but
duplicate in form my "fake post" (which wasn't even refuted at the
time it was posted). Nevermind that the desperate forgery posted by
Jeff Gerber in message ID <3B59...@MailAndNews.com> has the same
numbers, and those don't line up either.
They *never* have.
I have reposted my copy verbatim, complete with headers. No
"original convo" has been added, no "repeat message" snipped. It's
the same message I originally posted, it's the same header I
originally presented for proof of it's validity. Count the line
breaks if you so desire, I used a simple VB program to validate them
and they line up exactly, line for line.
They *always* have.
I hereby leave any and all conclusions about this matter to the
individual readers of alt.satanism.
-Sir Chaos
--
Session Start: Mon Jul 17 20:30:38 2000
Session Ident: Comm-afk (sla...@1Cust245.tnt11.tpa2.da.uu.net)
<Comm-afk> I'm human. THEY ARE MONKEYS.
<Comm-afk> Standards.
<Comm-afk> I zonked the shit out of Gilmore, Peggy and Andre.
<Comm-afk> Not colors. ZONK.
<Comm-afk> Now we wait and see.
* Sir_Chaos grins. Let's see what happens.
People's Commissar
[02:48] <Commissar> well, remember he talked to me on the phone. BEFORE I
yelled at him for asking me if he SHOULD be friends with Sir Chaos or let
Chaos into the SCS - I yelled since he was asking me to tell him what to do.
Then he hung up. BEFORE that, he started out talking about martial arts.
snip of personal, non-related stuff - stuff.
[02:58] <JacquelineSCS> To me, an enemy is someone that betrays me, lies to
me, or is not honest and up-front with me.
[02:58] <Commissar> yes, that's one kind of enemy yes.
[02:58] <JacquelineSCS> For all the shit you and I have slung at each other,
you've not lied, you've not betrayed me, and you've been honest.
[02:59] <JacquelineSCS> I do still take a bit of an issue with what went
down with the whole Andre thing, but I tend to just let things go, so to me,
that is past.
[02:59] <Commissar> Andre thing?
[03:00] <Commissar> well, I have to giggle that Peggy gets off scott free.
Who do you think asked me to go find out and tell her stuff?
[03:00] <Commissar> LOL
[03:00] <Commissar> Sir Chaos only helped me - and he wanted to do this to
stop the bullying.
[03:00] <JacquelineSCS> You know what I mean, and I don't want to re-hash
it. :)
[03:00] <Commissar> What happened to him, anyway?
[03:00] <JacquelineSCS> I know, Tani...trust me, I know.
[03:00] <JacquelineSCS> The whole thing was a clusterfuck, and never should
have occurred.
[03:01] <Commissar> Well, he shouldn't have been allowed to be such an
asshole.
.......skip to
[03:27] <Commissar> someone mentioned an email.
[03:27] <JacquelineSCS> What a schmuck.
[03:27] <Commissar> the last email I sent him said:
[03:27] <Commissar> "I told you to NEVER email here again. If you email here
again, I'll report it to your isp."
[03:27] <Commissar> and I sent YOU the same message.
[03:27] <Commissar> that's what my email said.
[03:28] <JacquelineSCS> I remember that.
[03:28] <Commissar> you must have gotten the same message from me, cause you
emailed me too.
[03:28] <Commissar> ok. that is what my last email said!
[03:28] <JacquelineSCS> Jesus, we wasted a lot of time throwing shit at each
other, didn't we?
[03:30] <Commissar> I told him to FUCK OFF and banned him forever from all
our channels.
[03:30] <Commissar> firt he started to flame me.
[03:30] <Commissar> and then he did what was expected.
[03:30] <JacquelineSCS> AH, Tani...you may already know this, but if you
don't, you'll get a laugh.
[03:30] <JacquelineSCS> I thought LizDictator was you, at first, before I
realized who he was.
[03:31] <Commissar> Yeah, I know you did even tho Dr. Joe told you.
[03:31] <JacquelineSCS> Chaos sent emails to everyone, except you, that it
was you.
[03:31] <Commissar> he did?
[03:31] <Commissar> that LIAR!
[03:31] <Commissar> it's Nagy.
[03:31] <Commissar> Mengele told you long before I was ever online.
[03:32] <JacquelineSCS> I know that now, and I also know what Jeff's nick is
now.
[03:32] <Commissar> oh, I had a fight with myself in the channel??
[03:32] * JacquelineSCS laughs
[03:32] <Commissar> me and Liz were fighting, Iron will was there.
[03:32] <JacquelineSCS> Exactly. It's Nagy.
[03:32] <Commissar> When did Chaos do this?
[03:32] <Commissar> after we told him to fuck off?
[03:32] <JacquelineSCS> I am friends with Jeff, though, so I don't want to
trash him.
[03:32] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, geez, before John died, actually...so over a
year ago?
[03:33] <Commissar> but was it after we kicked him?
[03:33] <JacquelineSCS> I don't know when you kicked him.
[03:33] <JacquelineSCS> I don't really know anything about Chaos. He is a
chameleon.
[03:34] <JacquelineSCS> He says what he thinks whoever wants to hear. He
tries to ingratiate himself with everyone.
[03:34] <Commissar> abuse victim.
[03:34] <Commissar> he still comes around?
[03:34] <JacquelineSCS> I think he just wants to belong, but can't decide
where/what he wants to belong to.
[03:34] <Commissar> He's a liar.
skip to:
[04:11] <Commissar> Sir Chaos, that IDIOT, is back?
[04:11] <JacquelineSCS> Yes, I know. He emailed me...something about a new
address and a website.
[04:11] <JacquelineSCS> I did not reply.
[04:12] <Commissar> you realise that the fight I had with John was that John
did NOT like Chaos or trust him? And I would not "tell him" or "order him"
to let Chaos in SCS.
[04:12] <Commissar> that tuned into a yell.
[04:12] * JacquelineSCS sighs
[04:12] <JacquelineSCS> Yes, Tani, I remember the entire situation.
[04:13] <Commissar> he's got reality issues.
[04:13] <JacquelineSCS> It was ridiculous, as both you and I have since
agreed.
[04:13] <Commissar> he posted a one praising Zeena to heaven.
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> In fact, if "Sir Chaos" had not done what he did, I
doubt you and I would have engaged in the flame war from hell after John's
death. Notice how he -conveniently- disappeared just about then?
[04:14] <Commissar> Chaos stirred up a LOT of shit, that's for sure.
[04:14] <Commissar> Lisa dwells on fights. She can't stand it when fight is
over (hence, getting all over me for NOT flaming Circe).
[04:14] <Commissar> I know that, J.
[04:14] <Commissar> Chaos is another abuse victim. All such people, they
well... they set armies marching against each other and then vanish!
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, and I saw the Zeena post. Who the hell is he
trying to impress now?
[04:15] <Commissar> laVey bloodline?
[04:15] * JacquelineSCS chuckles
[04:21] <Commissar> I have no idea who the anon's are, maybe Lisa. Another
anon said it was.
[04:21] <JacquelineSCS> I know. alt.sludge is a fucked up place.
[04:21] <Commissar> she dwells in people's fights!
[04:21] <JacquelineSCS> Some people take it -way- too seriously.
[04:22] <JacquelineSCS> And Lisa is out of her mind. She has just gone way
too far.
[04:22] <Commissar> What did Lisa do now? OH, I know she's out of her mind.
[04:22] <Commissar> What'd she do now? I don't read any of her posts.
[04:23] <Commissar> L dwells IN people's old fights.
[04:24] <JacquelineSCS> Nothing particular that I know of, just the last few
days of her posting. It is almost like she is desperate now...know what I
mean?
[04:24] <Commissar> Yes, she's digging up old tired bs.
[04:25] <JacquelineSCS> I agree.
[04:25] <Commissar> Lisa is always negative. 100% pure negative. Like we
satanists are her New Soap Opera and she loves to set us at war. Nancy posts
some good stuff.
[04:25] <JacquelineSCS> I don't particularly like Nancy, as she posts shit
about me constantly, but she does occasionally post some good stuff.
[04:26] <JacquelineSCS> So, you don't think Lisa is really a Satanist?
[04:27] <Commissar> HELL no she's not. HOW is she a satanist? HOW?
[04:27] <Commissar> Being a nasty flaming bitch is not what makes a
satanist.
[04:27] <Commissar> Plus, when angry, she dared to call Nancy a snake.
[04:27] <Commissar> A SNAKE?
[04:27] <Commissar> LOL
[04:27] <Commissar> how is she satanist?
[04:29] <Commissar> She's not creative, not forward moving, she's not
ANYTHING but this bitch that stirs up trouble and loves it.
[04:30] <JacquelineSCS> Hm. I've never thought about that before.
[04:31] <Commissar> Owen was the first to notice it, posting under "Object"
nick - way back.
[04:31] <JacquelineSCS> I just don't get what her point is?!?!?
[04:32] <JacquelineSCS> I mean, obviously I've flamed people, including you;
and you've flamed people, including me.
[04:32] <Commissar> she has nothing satanic on her website.
[04:32] <JacquelineSCS> But I've never seen anyone just flame for the hell
of flaming, with no legitimate position or opinion.
[04:32] <Commissar> She never says anything satanic. nothing LHP, nothing
even RHP!
[04:32] <Commissar> nothing!
[04:33] <Commissar> She's all just "Queen Lisa" looking down on whoever she
is jealous of.
[04:33] <Commissar> that was her beef about you guys back then when she was
flaming you.
[04:33] <Commissar> she thought you all looked down on her.
[04:34] <Commissar> I felt that was not a valid complaint and dismissed her.
[04:34] <Commissar> she did not take that well.
[04:34] <Commissar> :)
[04:34] * JacquelineSCS laughs out loud
[04:34] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, Tani...how well I remember her transition.
[04:35] <Commissar> yeah, i thik everyone remembers it.
[04:35] <Commissar> You probably have more insight, you saw more.
[04:35] <JacquelineSCS> First she was flaming me and Ygraine into next
week...then she was "best friends" with you...then she made the "dramatic"
announcement that she was "quitting" you.
[04:35] <Commissar> She was ignored by me - and that's the truth. She was
private emailing RADU! He said she was NUTS with the "leash around her neck"
shit.
[04:36] <JacquelineSCS> I'll never forget how hard I laughed when I read
that particular post of hers.
[04:36] <Commissar> her proclamation, LMAO.
[04:36] <JacquelineSCS> I remember thinking clearly, "Oh, Satan, I should
call Tani. Undoubtedly this post of Lisa's has upset her terribly."
[04:36] <JacquelineSCS> *sarcasm*
[04:51] <Commissar> We have no such titles in SR - but some of us are expert
in this or that field, so they get the job.
[04:51] * JacquelineSCS nods
[04:51] <Commissar> offliners and onliners, very different crew.
[04:51] <JacquelineSCS> The two orgs are different...I recognize that.
[04:51] <Commissar> sure are.
[04:52] <JacquelineSCS> I wish others in CoS did also...there is no "fight"
between the orgs, but some people seem damned determine to MAKE one!
[04:52] <JacquelineSCS> *determined
[04:54] <JacquelineSCS> Tani, I am CoS. And, as I've said a million times
before, I'm loyal to CoS. If push comes to shove, I'll back CoS.
[04:55] <JacquelineSCS> However, I'm also an intelligent woman, and I fail
to see the point of certain CoS member waging what should be a non-existent
"war" against SR.
[04:55] <Commissar> Which COS member?
[04:55] <JacquelineSCS> *members
[04:55] <Commissar> which ones?
[04:55] <JacquelineSCS> All of the ones that constantly attack you.
[04:56] <JacquelineSCS> Kevin is one. Y, occasionally.
snip. Later.
[02:42] <Commissar> nothing ever got sent to Chaos without 3 people saving
every single one.
[02:42] <Commissar> he was NOT to be trusted.
[02:42] <JacquelineSCS> True enough.
[02:42] <Commissar> seems to me no one trusted him, even you guys.
[02:42] <JacquelineSCS> I'm staying out of this fracas.
[02:42] <JacquelineSCS> And no, we did not trust Sir Chaos.
[02:42] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, no...not Sir Chaos again.
[02:43] <JacquelineSCS> Did I tell you that Sir Chaos emailed me out of the
blue to let me know that he was changing his server or some such thing? As
you would say, one big IDGAF!
[02:43] <Commissar> Sir Chaos has been trying to get "to you" from the
start.
[02:43] <Commissar> you know, the ONLY reason John phoned me up that day,
was because of Chaos?
[02:43] <JacquelineSCS> I know that...he was instrumental in starting the
shit between you and I.
[02:44] <Commissar> Chaos loves to start shit up - and then vanish.
[02:44] <JacquelineSCS> Yes, I know that...I came home from work while John
was on the phone with you and I heard him asking about Chaos.
snip of personal.
[02:57] <Commissar> If I think too hard on Bush, I'll DEFINITELY say
something and end up in big legal trouble.
[02:58] <JacquelineSCS> Um. Tani? Don't say anything about Bush.
[02:59] * JacquelineSCS chuckles
[02:59] <JacquelineSCS> Honestly, Tani, I cannot figure out what Lisa is up
to.
[03:00] <Commissar> Lisa is stark raving mad.
[03:00] <JacquelineSCS> She's making enemies out of everyone.
[03:00] <JacquelineSCS> She posted about how you got "angry" when she was
polite to me...and I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
[03:01] <Commissar> She's a LIAR.
[03:01] <JacquelineSCS> Your response was perfect...and if she hits it, I
will post that you and I are fine...the past is the past...GET THE FUCK OVER
IT LISA!
[03:01] <JacquelineSCS> Or, something to that effect.
[03:01] * JacquelineSCS laughs
[04:25] <Commissar> Yes, Lisa is that bad.
[04:25] <Commissar> she does nothing BUT snipe, bitch, all facade - sling
shit.
[04:25] <JacquelineSCS> She's gone a bit nuts lately...
[04:26] <JacquelineSCS> Who the fuck did you think she flamed before you?
[04:26] <Commissar> ygraine and Wil?
[04:26] <JacquelineSCS> Me and Ygraine!!!
[04:26] <JacquelineSCS> And Will
[04:27] <Commissar> I remember that. But when asked "what the problem is"
she has NO reason to flame you.
[04:27] <Commissar> NONE.
[04:27] <Commissar> that's why I dismissed her as a shit-slinger.
[04:27] <Commissar> so did Ole!
[04:27] <Commissar> She was just jealous or something - it sounded that way.
[04:27] * JacquelineSCS smiles...common sense is rare
[04:29] <JacquelineSCS> I have to be honest...I don't see her point.
[04:29] <Commissar> She never has a point.
[04:29] <JacquelineSCS> What is she trying to accomplish?
[04:29] <Commissar> it's bitch bitch bitch. She relieves herself that way.
[04:29] <Commissar> it makes her feel better when she can bitch like that,
rage around.
[03:02] <JacquelineSCS> She is wrong, and obsessed, and lately seemingly
bordering on psychotic...
later:
[03:14] <JacquelineSCS> HP Gilmore was made aware of John's death 7 hours
after John died.
[03:15] <Commissar> Sir Chaos emailed that news obit all over the place.
[03:15] <Commissar> I said it was not you, not same people.
[03:15] <Commissar> your phone number exchange is not for Columbus!
[03:15] <JacquelineSCS> Yes, it is.
[03:15] <Commissar> why was he watching you people like that.
[03:15] <Commissar> oh sheeehhhh..
[03:16] <JacquelineSCS> Who...Chaos?
[03:16] <Commissar> how did HE find out so fast? yes, Chaos.
[03:16] <Commissar> everyone got an email of that way in advance of anything
on alt.s.
[03:16] <Commissar> how did HE get it?
[03:16] <Commissar> why was he watching you guys.
[03:16] <JacquelineSCS> WHAT???!!!???
[03:16] <JacquelineSCS> I made the
[03:16] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, wait...
[03:16] <JacquelineSCS> I made the notice of John'
[03:17] <JacquelineSCS> Wow, I'm suddenly too pissed to type...
[03:17] <Commissar> That was the mystery, it's why I thought it was FAKE.
[03:17] <Commissar> well, except the people you personally told.
[03:17] <Commissar> J, everyone thought it was fake. and months later,
seeing someone with his /whois ID being X's. They thought he was alive.
MONTHS later.
[03:17] <JacquelineSCS> I made the notice of John's death FIVE DAYS after he
died.
[03:17] <JacquelineSCS> There is NO WAY anyone knew.
[03:18] <Commissar> Jason remembers this, everyone prob does. S. Chaos
emailed this thing, saying a name well, same name.
[03:18] <JacquelineSCS> I DIDN'T TELL ANYONE ONLINE...THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT
KNEW WERE MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY, HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY, AND PETER!!!
[03:18] <Commissar> Look at This. dcc? email?
[03:18] <Commissar> Then it came out in the papers.
[03:18] <Commissar> Jason showed me that and said "it must be true, it's in
the papers."
[03:18] <Commissar> I said "no, that's the wrong name." The phone number I
have, the extension after area code is for another city.
[03:18] <Commissar> I posted to prove it was wrong name/location.
[03:19] <Commissar> that is obvious from what I said, even.
[03:19] <Commissar> but how did he know. That's what no one ever figured
out.
[03:19] <JacquelineSCS> Jesus, Tani...Do you honestly think I even THOUGHT
about online shit from Tuesday to Saturday of that week?
[03:19] <Commissar> no, I guess not.
[03:19] <JacquelineSCS> So how did ANYONE know John was dead?
[03:19] <Commissar> I don't know.
[03:19] <JacquelineSCS> Except Peter.
[03:19] <JacquelineSCS> I called Peter that morning.
[03:19] <Commissar> That's what no one figured out.
[03:20] <Commissar> how did CHAOS know this?
[03:20] <Commissar> J, he knew!
[03:20] <Commissar> or, he was asking "is this true."
[03:20] <Commissar> "look at this."
[03:20] <Commissar> that kind of thing.
[03:20] <Commissar> hold on. 2 people in muse would remember better.
[03:20] <JacquelineSCS> On what "Date" did he "know"?
[03:21] <Commissar> oh god, I don't remember what date it was posted.
[03:21] <Commissar> I'm asking Dawg also if he remembers the email.
[03:21] <Commissar> he got it TOO.
[03:21] <JacquelineSCS> Can I buzz in?
[03:21] <Commissar> yes.
[03:22] *** Now talking in #satanmuse
[03:22] <Commissar> I invited Jacqueline in here.
[03:22] *** Joins: JacquelineSCS (xlop...@AC90783E.ipt.aol.com)
[03:22] <DrDawg> WOOF!
[03:22] <pele666> nighty nights :)
[03:22] <pele666> Woof!!!!
[03:22] <Commissar> DrDawg important. Do y ou remember Sir Chaos emailed
everyone about John Davis - askig "look at this, is this true" before anyone
took it online to alt.satanism?
[03:22] <Commissar> You remember that?
[03:22] <Chernobog> pele666 you can ask them! sure, I'll show them, you
show them.
[03:22] <Commissar> Yes
[03:22] <Commissar> I remembers
[03:22] <Ormen> Good morning
[03:22] <Commissar> here.
[03:22] <JacquelineSCS> Meow.
[03:22] * pele666 jumps on her broom and flys into the moonlight
[03:22] <Commissar> Do you remember shit... it was like "look at this, is
this true" or something like that.
[03:22] <Commissar> Do you remember anything else about that?
[03:22] <DrDawg> It was a log I believe
[3:220 <Chernobog> an email to a bunch of people, long time ago.
[03:22] <JacquelineSCS> Heya, Dawg...how's Tim?
[03:23] <Commissar> I know it was emailed all over, BEFORE it was on
alt.satanism.
[03:23] <DrDawg> Tim is doing great
[03:23] <Chernobog> we thought it was an Egan rumor, remember when "Nagy is
dead" spread all over - Egan kept that going.
[03:23] <JacquelineSCS> So...someone knew John was dead before I made
notice.
[03:23] <JacquelineSCS> Question is: Who and how?
[03:23] <Princess> Sir Chaos, he used to op in here. Well, everyone who he
emailed it to. But I thought it was a Lard Ass Egan bullshit rumor.
[03:24] <Commissar> DrDawg what you remember on this?
[03:24] <DrDawg> Tim knew, but kept it to himself
[03:24] <Commissar> I dismissed it! Wait, Tim did say he told me it was
true before Peter emailed me and said it was. I thought he was duped.
[03:24] <Commissar> Chaos was the first person to email it all over. Jason
remembers this clearly, so does Metadromos I think.
[03:24] <pele666> I hated Egan when he came in and laughed like it was his
fault.
[03:24] <Commissar> how did HE know.
[03:24] <JacquelineSCS> Do you still have that email, Dawg?
[03:24] <pele666> I would have loved to see his face when he found it ..it
was just a joke and egan was the brunt of it
[03:24] <Commissar> Jason reminded me of that JacquelineSCS. Pele, it was NO
joke.
[03:24] <DrDawg> No.. Sorry had a few PC crashes since then
[03:25] <Commissar> I don't have it, sorry.
[03:25] <Chernobog> I just deleted it, thought it was garbage!
[03:25] <JacquelineSCS> Do you remember the date?
[03:25] <Commissar> it was before it was on alt.satanism. definitely.
[03:25] <Commissar> so when I saw a post, it LOOKED like you posted it, but
it didn't sound right, I posted the thing and said "that is not the same
people."
[03:26] <Commissar> but later on, way later, Jason reminded me about the
emails everyone got and I wondered how Chaos knew. I figure Jaq told him or
? something.
[03:26] <JacquelineSCS> What I am curious about is the Sir Chaos thing.
[03:27] <DrDawg> I remebers
[03:27] <Commissar> 1. we saw the Chaos thing, maybe 2 days before
alt.satanism or something, 1 day? it was before alt.s, definitely.
[03:27] <JacquelineSCS> I made notice of John's death on alt.sludge several
days after his death.
[03:27] <Commissar> 2. saw alt.satanism, thought it was rumor.
[03:27] <Commissar> or fake post.
[03:27] <JacquelineSCS> I told no one.
[03:27] <JacquelineSCS> No one.
[03:27] <Commissar> 3. saw obit again.. same day as I saw alt.s post
[03:27] <Commissar> how did Chaos ? jesus rivera.
[03:28] <Commissar> Is he watching you?
[03:28] <DrDawg> After you made the announcement, Egan asked me to look into
it...
[03:28] <Commissar> And I thought Egan faked that post.
[03:28] <Chernobog> I thought the whole story was bullshit, even weeks
later. I saw his nick pop up in rooms and the /whois identified it as him.
[03:28] <DrDawg> I spend three hours looking for proof
[03:28] <JacquelineSCS> I bet the fat fuck did...he must miss Xloptuny
terribly...
[03:28] * JacquelineSCS laughs out loud
[03:28] <Commissar> Jason said that Chaos had emailed the information all
over - maybe 2 days prior.
[03:29] <JacquelineSCS> "Watching me
[03:29] <JacquelineSCS> ?
[03:29] <DrDawg> I found the obituary.. Told Egan, But had no intent on
having it posted
[03:29] <Commissar> Chaos KNEW.
[03:29] <JacquelineSCS> Why would Chaos be "watching" me?
[03:29] <Commissar> and this was before it was on alt.satanism - WAIT....
[03:30] <Commissar> wait...
[03:30] <Commissar> ok
[03:30] <Commissar> servers.
[03:30] <Commissar> maybe my server was slow?
[03:30] <DrDawg> But were SCS members notified first?
[03:30] <Commissar> I did not SEE the post until later? Days after it was
posted? My server WAS slow back then.
[03:30] <Commissar> that would explain it.
[03:30] <JacquelineSCS> Of course, after family and close friends.
[03:30] <DrDawg> Thats who Chaos knew.
[03:31] <DrDawg> Thats how Chaos knew.
[03:31] <JacquelineSCS> Chaos was never accepted as a student of SCS
[03:31] <Commissar> He had a very persuasive way about him!
[03:31] <DrDawg> I believe he had friends who were
[03:31] <JacquelineSCS> Really? Who?
[03:32] <BlkMagicWmn> Hey Comm
[03:32] <JacquelineSCS> Nah, Dawg. Not worth it.
[03:33] <JacquelineSCS> I'm curious, but it doesn't really matter.
[03:33] <DrDawg> ok
[03:33] <Commissar> Chaos was very BAD to Tim...
[03:34] <Commissar> tim knew apparently before Gilmore, tho I didn't believe
it.
[03:34] <Commissar> in other words. You make a post. I see it 2 days after
you make it?
[03:34] <DrDawg> Tim was notified before the announcement
[03:34] <JacquelineSCS> Chaos was very bad to a lot of people, Tani...jesus
satan...he set off a terrible flame war between you and I.
[03:35] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS you remember that better than I do - I was
embroiled in ....heaps, at the time.
[03:35] <JacquelineSCS> Word to the wise? Don't trust Sir Chaos any farther
than you can drop kick him.
[03:35] <Commissar> yeah, he did that, then he vanished.
[03:35] <Chernobog> oh, I know that. I'll never forget his "big man" shit.
[03:35] <Commissar> LOL Jebux H. Kripes.
[03:36] <BlkMagicWmn> Hey Comm
[03:36] <Commissar> HEY cutie!
[03:36] <BlkMagicWmn> How ya doing?
[03:36] * Commissar kisses BlkMagicWmn on cheeks!
[03:36] <Commissar> I'm ok.
[03:36] <JacquelineSCS> Dawg: Don't worry about it. 'Tis history, and
knowing the "truth" won't bring John back.
[03:36] * BlkMagicWmn giggles
[03:36] <BlkMagicWmn> Guess who I talked to last night? lol
[03:36] <Commissar> um......des?
[03:36] <Commissar> High Priest Cute?
[03:36] <BlkMagicWmn> yup
[03:36] <Commissar> :)
[03:37] <BlkMagicWmn> lol that he is
[03:37] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, Tani... better is this: Jesus fucking
Satan...so many connotations and interpretions there...
[03:37] <Commissar> yeah, I like that one too.
[03:37] <BlkMagicWmn> hmm..well that's an interesting mental picture
[03:37] <Commissar> Mine are Jesus Hernandes Gonzales Rivera!
[03:38] <Commissar> I know about 10 people named Jesus, really...
[03:38] <Commissar> lol
[03:38] <BlkMagicWmn> I like Jesus Christ on a popsickle stick
[03:38] * JacquelineSCS reveals her juvenile side...SOUTH PARK!!!
[03:38] <Ormen> Sweet..... a dcc
[03:38] <Commissar> Ormen that was a text file, btw, I don't think firewalls
screen them out!
[03:38] <Commissar> want me to try,...oh, chanserv will block it, nm.
[03:38] <Commissar> txt and jpg and gif are safe.
[03:39] <Commissar> anything else - DO NOT ACCEPT!!!
[03:39] <Commissar> iiis beeg dangers...
[03:39] * DrDawg will NEVER declare a winner in the Chicken Pot Pie cooking
contest
[03:39] <Commissar> chicken pot pies used to be good. now they are blyah.
[03:39] <BlkMagicWmn> Is it normal to want to choke your fiance while he's
sleeping?
[03:39] <Commissar> BlkMagicWmn um, no.
[03:39] <JacquelineSCS> That is simply because you have never tasted my
Chicken Pot Pie, from scratch.
[03:39] <Ormen> Yeah, I was thinking that movies could get through, it
doesnt work on direct-connect. There I have to turn off my firewall.
[03:39] <Commissar> mmmm..
[03:40] <Chernobog> Ormen well, purpose of firewall is to keep things out.
[03:40] <BlkMagicWmn> damn I was hoping that it was comm
[03:40] <Commissar> lol
[03:40] <BlkMagicWmn> Is it normal to want to beat him over the head with a
baseball bat?
[03:40] <Commissar> You wanted to kill the HP of Cute?
[03:40] <Commissar> BlkMagicWmn no.
[03:40] * Commissar says normal to KISS HP cute
[03:41] <BlkMagicWmn> No, I want to kill my fiance... Mikey is my buddy
[03:41] <Commissar> He is the cutest satanist out there.
[03:41] <Commissar> oh....
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[03:41] <Commissar> oh then, it's ok to want to kill him! :)
[03:41] <Commissar> hi rj_19
[03:41] <JacquelineSCS> Ok...I'm just going to be -incredibly- bold here,
'cause I am CoS, and only here by invitation, but I sense a bit of tension
here, Blk?
[03:41] <BlkMagicWmn> He is definatly a cutie.... god i can't believe Im
talking about my best friend like a piece of meat.. hmm.. wonder how big he
is ;)
[03:41] <Commissar> tension? nah...
[03:41] <BlkMagicWmn> Oh ok then lol
[03:41] <DrDawg> WOOF!
[03:42] <JacquelineSCS> Meow.
[03:42] <Commissar> big is good. very good.
[03:42] * Commissar now shuts up.
[03:42] <JacquelineSCS> Very good.
[03:42] <BlkMagicWmn> That's true but small can be good too.. if you know
how to use it :)
[03:42] <Commissar> um...
[03:43] * JacquelineSCS looks at Blk
[03:43] * BlkMagicWmn doesn't really want to know how big des is
[03:43] <Commissar> did you all see that photo I postedon alt.s?
[03:43] <Commissar> I thought the account would be cancelled for that.
[03:43] <Commissar> ow - that was BIG.
[03:43] <BlkMagicWmn> are we talking about des???
[03:43] <Commissar> I begged Jason to post his picture.
[03:44] <JacquelineSCS> Please do not tell me that you are one of those
women that subscribes to the idea that: "Is isn't the size of the ship, it
is the motion of the ocean."?
[03:44] <BlkMagicWmn> Jacqueline no tension..not at all lol
[03:44] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS a guy with a small one made that story up.
[03:44] <Commissar> LOL
[03:44] <BlkMagicWmn> Hell no! Not saying that at all.. I like them big, but
too big it can hurt
[03:44] * JacquelineSCS laughs
[03:44] <Chernobog> BlkMagicWmn that's true.
[03:44] <BlkMagicWmn> it will pop something if its too big
[03:44] <Commissar> Skinny is no good too.
[03:44] <BlkMagicWmn> and Im not talking about virginity lol
[03:44] <Commissar> thick is good.
[03:45] <BlkMagicWmn> Des is skinny as shit
[03:45] <BlkMagicWmn> Ohhh ok lol
[03:45] <BlkMagicWmn> yeah thick is nice
[03:45] <Commissar> Des? Or Des's dick?
[03:45] * Commissar notes that was direct.
[03:45] * JacquelineSCS laughs out loud
[03:45] <BlkMagicWmn> Des himself
[03:45] <Commissar> oh...oh but he's CUTE.
[03:45] <BlkMagicWmn> Yup.
[03:46] <Commissar> but OHhhhhhh..
[03:46] <BlkMagicWmn> I miss skinny guys... Im engaged to a chub.... I need
some skinny ass
[03:46] <JacquelineSCS> I'm sorry...I know what you mean...but I've never
thought of a penis as "thick"...Big, sure. Wide, sure. Long, sure. But
"thick"?
[03:46] <Commissar> lol...thick, like diameter...
[03:46] <Commissar> seriously, skinny dicks hurt!
[03:46] <Commissar> they hit the wrong deep spots.
[03:46] <BlkMagicWmn> Now des.. what is the circumfrence of your pee pee
[03:46] * JacquelineSCS laughs at herself...to me, the word 'thick'
describes a cord of fireplace wood or a ream of paper.
[03:47] <JacquelineSCS> Just semantics, I suppose.
[03:47] <Commissar> And men think they talk about us? Bwhaha..
[03:48] <BlkMagicWmn> Jacqueline may I PM you?
[03:48] <DrDawg> lol
[03:48] <Commissar> oh oh..
[03:48] <BlkMagicWmn> lol dawg is subjected to this lol
[03:48] <Commissar> That's cool. Dawg is cool.
[03:48] <BlkMagicWmn> Dawg.. how big are you? ;) j/k
[03:48] <Commissar> oh noooooo, here comes that picture.
[03:48] <DrDawg> Ask Tim
[03:48] <BlkMagicWmn> fine, i will then
[03:48] <BlkMagicWmn> ;)
[03:49] <JacquelineSCS> Oh, I don't know...this could be informative for
Dawg.
[03:49] <Chernobog> for Dawg? I think he's expert on dicks!
[03:49] <Commissar> lmao
[03:49] * DrDawg will not show you on Dawg Cam
[03:49] <BlkMagicWmn> haha
[03:49] <BlkMagicWmn> why??? ;)
[03:50] * JacquelineSCS chuckles
[03:50] <BlkMagicWmn> !ping
[03:50] <DrDawg> I have been asked to write a Satanic Bisexual porn ritual\
[03:50] <JacquelineSCS> As long as Les and Tim are happy...
[03:50] <Commissar> DrDawg I think Prole can write that really well -
experience in that, all that.
[03:50] <Commissar> but both of you do it.
[03:51] <DrDawg> I love Tim, I allways make the effort to be good to Tim
[03:51] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS they are doing good, Tim's doing really
good.
[03:51] <JacquelineSCS> I'm pleased to hear so.
[03:51] <Commissar> awwww, ya see that?
[03:51] <JacquelineSCS> Sure
[03:51] <BlkMagicWmn> aww.. why isn't my shitty fiance like that
[03:52] * DrDawg is pressuring Tim to study for his GED
[03:53] <JacquelineSCS> Dawg: Is Tim there?
[03:53] * BlkMagicWmn burps
[03:53] <BlkMagicWmn> scuze me :)
[03:53] <DrDawg> Asleep
[03:54] <Commissar> DrDawg he has a good job, right? Making good money.
[03:54] <Commissar> it is the kind of job that will ALWAYS need people.
[03:54] <Commissar> computer techs are being screwed big time lately.
[03:54] <DrDawg> Yes.. just not enough hours
[03:54] <Commissar> how many hours?
[03:55] <DrDawg> 20
[03:55] <DrDawg> per week
[03:55] <Commissar> oh, part time.
[03:55] <Commissar> maybe he can get full time, eventually?
[03:56] * BlkMagicWmn runs around the room and sings
[03:56] <DrDawg> I make enough to support us.... I just want him to be able
to have the things he needs
[03:56] <BlkMagicWmn> yup, u could say I've been working too hard ;)
[03:56] <DrDawg> I hopes
[03:56] * Ormen gonna run. HS!
[03:56] *** Quits: Ormen (~svar...@213.67.57.10 ) (Quit: )
[03:56] <JacquelineSCS> Dawg: Tell him this: "Honor dictates that you will
work to support yourself and your chosen mate, if you so need to do so. You
know this. Honor, Tim...remember that?"
[03:56] <JacquelineSCS> It will piss him off, but he'll remember.
[03:56] * JacquelineSCS chuckles
[03:57] <DrDawg> ok..
[03:57] <Commissar> DrDawg oh no...Egan posted his "one man crusade boo hoo"
whatever yawn
[03:57] <JacquelineSCS> He'll be mad at me, not you.
[03:57] <Commissar> now he has his "amazing story" right after it.
[03:57] <Chernobog> Well, it's the economy.
[03:57] <DrDawg> v
[03:58] <JacquelineSCS> Jesus, Tani...allee is a complete moron beyond
rational thought.
[03:58] <Commissar> yah, we know...
[03:58] <JacquelineSCS> Honestly...that post could not possibly be from
him...he just isn't that stupid.
[03:58] <Commissar> but he's not nearly as completely insane as Guillo-nut.
[03:58] <JacquelineSCS> Besides, Scruffy the Wondermutt ran away...
[03:58] <DrDawg> I wish I could take credit for Egan's down fall, But he has
been the biggest help I could ever want
[03:58] <Commissar> I didn't read it yet.
[03:59] <DrDawg> Yes.. Tim explained that to me
[03:59] <Chernobog> Egan's problem is he wants to be a leader (and thinks
everyone needs one). He wants to be loved and respected.
[03:59] <Commissar> that's why he never gets it. Casey said it good.
[03:59] <BlkMagicWmn> well Im going to get going
[03:59] <Commissar> see ya BlkMagicWmn
[04:00] <JacquelineSCS> Please, do not dignify the moron with Egan...his
name is allee...no capitalization.
[04:00] <Commissar> kiss Des for me!
[04:00] <Commissar> LMAO!!!
[04:00] <BlkMagicWmn> Later Comm, Dawg, Jaquekine
[04:00] <Commissar> what does egan mean?
[04:00] <Commissar> nite BlkMagicWmn
[04:00] <BlkMagicWmn> LOL I will comm!
[04:00] * Commissar hugs BlkMagicWmn
[04:00] <BlkMagicWmn> sorry for the bad spelling as well
[04:00] * BlkMagicWmn hugs comm
[04:00] *** Quits: BlkMagicWmn (no...@roc-24-24-53-186.rochester.rr.com )
(Quit: )
[04:00] <DrDawg> WOOF!
[04:00] <Commissar> well, egan is easier to type than allee
[04:01] <JacquelineSCS> Now, that was unique: Jaquekine
[04:01] <Commissar> type J and tab key!
[04:01] <Commissar> try, type Co and tab key - it will spell out Commissar
[04:01] <Commissar> fast.
[04:01] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS
[04:01] <Commissar> like that.
[04:01] <Commissar> tab key is a nick completer.
[04:02] <Commissar> lemme read this, it has to be rich, he took Jim to the
airport.....got that far.
[04:02] <JacquelineSCS> Who is Jim?
[04:02] * DrDawg wonders if allee read Lard of the Flies yet
[04:03] <DrDawg> allee's boyfriend
[04:03] <JacquelineSCS> Ohh...he's been around for 2+ years
[04:04] <Chernobog> did you read it Com? it was the best one he ever posted.
[04:04] <Chernobog> he was trying to astrally and angrilly force his way to
lehigh acres and couldn't get there.
[04:04] <Commissar> lmao! oh LMAO! He'd have to be able to FIT on Lee Blvd
even tho they just widened it. LMAO.
[04:05] <Commissar> he's posting as if wait, lemme check the date. someone
in his egroup is outing all their emails.
[04:05] <Commissar> Looks like he's not going to walk away from Satanism
after all.
[04:06] <JacquelineSCS> K...I leave this with you to consider...Lard allee
might well be a force to reckon with...whatever you do, do -not- forget 'The
Xloptuny Curse'...because we all know that it was all allee's doing.
[04:06] <Commissar> lmao....go on, continue, please.
[04:06] * JacquelineSCS falls off her chair laughing
[04:06] * DrDawg shivers "I am cursed too"
[04:06] <Commissar> he invented scenes (out of his head) re me. problem is,
my hostility toward the well, ya know, cos, was too well known to all but
him.
[04:06] <Commissar> he's nuts, but it's NOT as nuts as Lisa.
[04:06] <Commissar> no way.
[04:07] <Commissar> no one beats her.
[04:07] <JacquelineSCS> You, Tani, know how I feel about this...and you know
what I will eventually accomplish. Nuff said.
[04:07] <Commissar> well, maybe Jill Panther does.
[04:07] <Commissar> No, not even Panther.
[04:07] <Commissar> she has reasons to have gone crazy mad.
[04:07] <Commissar> Lisa is crazier than that even.
[04:07] <JacquelineSCS> Ah!
[04:08] <JacquelineSCS> Tani...Jill emailed me again. Message: "I can helf
you rune Magista Jantsang".
[04:08] <DrDawg> Has she out done Circe yet?
[04:08] <Commissar> Jill I mean, I saw some of what was done, she had
reasons, but I didn't do any of it.
[04:09] <Commissar> oh, Lisa is way, 100 times worse than circe when she's
mad at someone, EVER ws.
[04:09] <Commissar> no contest.
[04:09] <Commissar> I've never seen anything like it.
[04:09] <JacquelineSCS> Nancy is a moron, Tani.
[04:09] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS Jill said that?
[04:09] <JacquelineSCS> That was the email...
[04:09] <Commissar> she can help you RUIN me? Why would she do that when I
did nothing to her?
[04:10] <Commissar> rune?
[04:10] <Commissar> you sure it was from Jill?
[04:10] <JacquelineSCS> Yep...the spelling errors were obviously not mine.
[04:10] <JacquelineSCS> Came from bifidbarb...
[04:10] <Commissar> I'll never fathom it. I did nothing to her.
[04:10] <DrDawg> ruin?
[04:10] <Commissar> why is she like that?
[04:11] <JacquelineSCS> I have no desire to rune or ruin Tani...
[04:11] <Commissar> she must hate herself to the cellular level.
[04:12] <Commissar> I did absolutely nothing to her!
[04:12] <Commissar> She emailed me that time "I am you. I am you."
[04:12] <Commissar> oh jesus CHRIST!
[04:12] <DrDawg> Sounds to be like Jill Spencer's expectations of moving up
in the ranks of the CoS fell short and she blames any body and everybody
[04:13] <JacquelineSCS> Tani, calm yourself. Of course I did NOT respond,
nor will I. Jill is over.
[04:13] <Commissar> I'm curious about that kind of thing J, really.
[04:13] <Commissar> what is it?
[04:13] <Commissar> don't say it's psycho, I know that.
[04:13] <Commissar> but - what IS it?
[04:14] <DrDawg> Keep in mind most people believe that I have a better
understanding of these nut cases than anyone else
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> My unbridled opinion?
[04:14] <Commissar> any opinion, yes.
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> Jealousy.
[04:14] <Commissar> yeah, I know that, but to that extent?
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> Look at us currently present.
[04:14] <Commissar> why not be jealous of Peggy?
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[04:14] <Commissar> Why did she have to pick me?
[04:14] <Ramah> hey all
[04:14] <Commissar> hey Ramah
[04:14] <JacquelineSCS> Which of us has ever held back on our opinions,
thoughts, feelings, ideas?
[04:15] <Commissar> none of us.
[04:15] <JacquelineSCS> Even when Dawg was posting "Blanche is fat"...well,
he did so with gusto.
[04:15] <JacquelineSCS> (No, Dawg...we still don't like you for that)
[04:16] <DrDawg> lol
[04:16] <DrDawg> Actually I was the "cracker" guy
[04:16] <JacquelineSCS> Jill is timid.
[04:17] <DrDawg> I was never able to read an entire Jill post
[04:17] <JacquelineSCS> She doesn't have the strength of heart and will to
get into the fray and assert herself.
[04:18] <Commissar> DrDawg I could never read a whole Jill post either, it
made no sense.
[04:18] <JacquelineSCS> We still don't like you for the cracker stuff
either, Dawg.
[04:18] <Commissar> JacquelineSCS I don't know her, anything about her.
[04:18] <Commissar> that's the weird thing.
[04:18] <Commissar> why isn't she jealous of Peggy?
[04:18] * DrDawg hangs his head down
[04:18] <Commissar> of all the people, why pick on me?
[04:18] <JacquelineSCS> I have no idea.
[04:18] <JacquelineSCS> Why you?
[04:18] <JacquelineSCS> Why me?
[04:18] <JacquelineSCS> That is the simplest of all!!
[04:19] <JacquelineSCS> Because we are both OUT THERE!
[04:19] <JacquelineSCS> We are both VISIBLE!
[04:19] <Commissar> No JacquelineSCS, she was attacking me before I even had
internet access!
[04:19] <Commissar> I saw it, people showed me.
[04:19] <Commissar> I was NOT out there.
[04:19] <Commissar> that's what's so strange.
[04:19] <JacquelineSCS> Then it was your name...whatever...
[04:20] <Commissar> My name?
[04:21] <DrDawg> I'm going to hafta get some sleep
[04:21] <Commissar> nite DrDawg
[04:21] <JacquelineSCS> The point is that neither of us are afraid of much,
and we do as we will. And those that don't fear us, because they recognize
their own weakness, and attack accordingly.
[04:21] <JacquelineSCS> Nature of the human race.
[04:21] <DrDawg> WOOF!
[04:21] <JacquelineSCS> G'Night, Dawg.
[04:21] <Commissar> OK, then, what's your take on this latest thing, worse
than Jill?
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[04:21] <Commissar> Guillo - note all the caps in the name itself!
[04:22] <Commissar> what the hell is that, then? I see who she went after.
But why?
[04:22] <Commissar> Even Dawg can't figure that one out.
[04:22] <JacquelineSCS> Honestly?
[04:22] <JacquelineSCS> I think she's just bored.
[04:22] <Commissar> she can't read a book?
[04:23] <Commissar> yeah, and why travel thousads of miles to meet people
she met in a chat room? Mystery there too.
[04:23] <JacquelineSCS> Why not?
[04:24] <Commissar> that's Bonnie she did that with!
[04:24] <Commissar> then she immediately turns around and trashed the girl.
[04:24] <Commissar> omg the LIES she told. 3 people thus far can confirm her
cancer and chemotherapy! Personally, they saw her, even stayed for weeks at
her home.
[04:24] <Ramah> oh cool
[04:24] <Ramah> two females :)
[04:24] <JacquelineSCS> I'm not a reg here...I'm actually CoS
(*gasp*)!...but Tani invited me, and I must say that I've enjoyed my time
here.
[04:26] <Commissar> This room used to be a lot more fun, multi convos at
same time, and funny, before when more peole could get on.
[04:26] <Ramah> sometimes a small group is better
[04:26] <Ramah> quality of quanity
[04:26] <Ramah> oops
[04:26] <Commissar> Ramah you never saaw it. It used to get heavy too, and
hilarious in here.
[04:26] <Commissar> and fast convos - screen flying by.
[04:26] <Ramah> I came in here once
[04:27] <Commissar> some really creative stuff got launched from here.
[04:27] <Commissar> Kari will have more time soon - that's Bongonoid.
[04:27] <JacquelineSCS> Indeed...for example, Ramah, there was the time, oh,
I'd say about a year and a half ago when I came in here and just basically
tore into everyone.
[04:27] * JacquelineSCS laughs
[04:28] <Metadromos> Hello
[04:28] <Commissar> Sir Chaos posted a lie to circe - heh
[04:28] <Commissar> I'm not saying a word to him.
[04:28] <Metadromos> You are kidding.
[04:29] <Metadromos> Sir Chaos? Lie?
[04:29] <Metadromos> Never!
Later:
[23:30] <JacquelineSCS> Why is Sir Chaos flaming you all of a sudden?
[23:34] <Commissar> He is?
[23:34] <JacquelineSCS> He has a couple of times on alt.sludge.
[23:34] <Commissar> you mean the other day? Because he's a pent up idiot
that got utterly/completely kicked out of our association where, heh, he had
some FUN.
[23:34] <Commissar> and he's a liar.
[23:35] <JacquelineSCS> Ah.
[23:35] <Commissar> everyone - EVERYONE - knows it was HIS brainstorm of an
idea to "GET ANDRE."
[23:35] * JacquelineSCS nods
[23:35] <Commissar> he was in the rooms with his own nick...
[23:35] <Commissar> lol
[23:35] <Commissar> bragging about "doing it for Barton" hiding behing "The
Mag."
[23:35] <Commissar> I never said any such thing.
[23:35] <Commissar> I was trashing Barton online at the same time! Everyone
saw that.
[23:35] <Commissar> he's squirming.
[23:36] <Commissar> he wants desperately in with the cos. to be Big Man.
[23:36] <Commissar> he wanted in with the SCS too, remember?
[23:36] <Commissar> even trying to use both Peggy and me to get in!?
[23:36] <Commissar> John phoned me - due to HIM!
[23:38] <JacquelineSCS> Yes, I remember. John died before he let Chaos in,
and I never did let him in. I disaffiliated Timmy also, shortly thereafter.
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Later:
[02:27] <JacquelineSCS> I will never, ever cut my long hair.
[02:27] <JacquelineSCS> I did it once, in a moment of insanity.
[02:27] <JacquelineSCS> Never again.
[02:27] <JacquelineSCS> Ponytails do the trick.
[02:27] <Commissar> Mine was down below my ass, I could double it back in a
pony tail and it was still long.
[02:28] <Commissar> genie style was always my own style (people flaming me
for that! HA!)
[02:28] * JacquelineSCS laughs
[02:28] <Commissar> That's MY style.
[02:29] <JacquelineSCS> I admit...the first time Lisa said that, I was
sitting at my computer, reading alt.sludge, with a long ponytail perched
right on top of my head. I nearly laughed myself silly.
[02:29] <Commissar> Lisa is an asshole, pure and simple.
[02:29] <Commissar> she lives to sling shit.
[02:29] <Commissar> and Kerry follows right along.
[02:30] <JacquelineSCS> Hey, Tani...we aren't friends, but we don't hate
each other, correct?
[02:30] <Commissar> frame the flames up in gold frames...
[02:30] <Commissar> I don't hate you at all
[02:30] <JacquelineSCS> So, do me a favor, to make up for all the shit you
pulled and lay off Lisa?
[02:30] <JacquelineSCS> I'd appreciate it.
[02:30] <Commissar> I don't hate Kerry, but she is sure TRYING to make me
hate her.
[02:30] <Commissar> I have not said a word to Lisa, nor read her fucking
shit on alt.s
[02:31] <JacquelineSCS> I don't hate you either Tani.
[02:31] <JacquelineSCS> I actually kinda like you.
[02:31] <Commissar> and yet she is RELENTLESS. I only have to see the nick
and I know - she raging again, at SOMEONE.
[02:31] <Commissar> lol, me lay off Lisa?
[02:31] <Commissar> lol
[02:31] <Commissar> I have not even read her garbage.
[02:31] <JacquelineSCS> I'll never agree with you, and if another org war
happens, you know what side I'm on.
[02:31] <JacquelineSCS> But, just ignore Lisa.
[02:31] <Commissar> I have been ignoring her.
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
news:3dc2bc99.02041...@posting.google.com...
> Ahh, I see.
>
GUlLLOTlNA
This is nice; I mean, if this behavior (posting private convos) is not the very
hallmark of a "POSITIVE! HAPPY!" person, by crikey, I don't know what is.
[02:58] <JacquelineSCS> For all the shit you and I have slung at each other,
you've not lied, you've not betrayed me, and you've been honest.>>
Whelp, I think we can safely say -this- statement is no longer true...
[04:14] <Commissar> Lisa dwells on fights. She can't stand it when fight is
over (hence, getting all over me for NOT flaming Circe).>>
One more time (I have asked this numerous times in the past): post the email,
or post the log where I "got all over you for not flaming nancy." What's the
matter, doesn't your source -exist-? Where IS this document? We all want to see
it, me not least of al!
>[04:25] <Commissar> Lisa is always negative. 100% pure negative. Like we
satanists are her New Soap Opera and she loves to set us at war. Nancy posts
some good stuff.>>
Just negative to you and your little clan of feebleminded ones, brain-trust.
Just to you.
Irony-meters OFF for this next one:
[04:26] <JacquelineSCS> So, you don't think Lisa is really a Satanist?
>[04:27] <Commissar> HELL no she's not. HOW is she a satanist? HOW?
>[04:27] <Commissar> Being a nasty flaming bitch is not what makes a
satanist.>>
From her own keyboard we hear it: "Being a nasty flaming bitch is not what
makes a Satanist."
Am I supposed to think Phyllis is a Satanist for flip-flopping allegiances
right and left (one day she loves egan, the next she hates him.... one year she
flames the ToS nonstop, now she loves 'em...Aquino BAD, now suddenly Aquino
good. Makes you wonder), betraying anyone who so much as tells her the time of
day and posting outrageously stupid articles about BJs and Buddhism all over
the Internet, including here? THIS a Satanist makes? Well, who knew. >:-)
>[04:27] <Commissar> Plus, when angry, she dared to call Nancy a snake.>>
::GASP!::
I'll go one better: nancy isn't even a snake. nancy's no better than the racid
fecal matter spewing forth from your Turanian nether orifice - in fact, not
that good.
>[04:29] <Commissar> She's not creative, not forward moving, she's not ANYTHING
but this bitch that stirs up trouble and loves it.>>
Just for you, sweetie, just for you.
>[04:33] <Commissar> She's all just "Queen Lisa" looking down on whoever she is
jealous of.>>
"Jealous of"? Did I hear "jealous of"?! What is it you think I'm jealous of,
Phyl? Your stainless reputation for incisive commentary? Your rank of impaired
Flying Monkeys? Your keen grasp of logic? Your concisely written Buddhist
documents? Your awesome physical beauty? Your castle-like abode? Your brats,
birthed before age 15? I mean, what exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.
>[04:33] <Commissar> that was her beef about you guys back then when she was
flaming you.
>[04:33] <Commissar> she thought you all looked down on her.>>
Again, where does this come from? How about posting the source?
This is nothing more than pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking on your part. I never
said any such thing, to you or anyone else, and you know it.
>[04:35] <Commissar> She was ignored by me - and that's the truth. She was
private emailing RADU! He said she was NUTS with the "leash around her neck"
shit.>>
Wow... that's odd. Where exactly did that happen? And I speak as someone who
still has copies of all 9000 of Radu's 2-million-word screeds....
*********
Subj: Personal letter
Date: 4/20/01 12:31:05 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Narodnyi-K...@anonymous.to (Radu) To: gulll...@aol.com
(GUlLLOTlNA)
CC: metad...@home.com,
obj...@mailandnews.com
Dear Lisa Guillotina,
I just see this, from your post. This is you posting or is this fake post with
your name again like before? [...]
Miles is not same person as OJ. Miles is younger man, single; he is mystical
person. OJ is more elderly, very atheist. OJ does not even know Miles. Why you
think this? This is mistaken.>> ::snip five screens::
*********
(so, Brendan's an elderly athiest? Who knew?)
********
Subj: Re: Personal letter
Date: 4/20/01 5:55:04 PM Central Daylight Time
From:narodnyi-k...@anonymous.to (Radu Dekanozov)
To: gulll...@aol.com
Hello, Lisa,
As for fact, Tani doesn't think about CoS except when has to do job online.
Understand please, this *is* job. I don't know how long she will do this. Ole
Wolf actually doing most of it but is work. Tani does not want Reds to be
involved in this, and is not. >>
::snip 12 screens of text::
*********
Subj: [Fwd: FWD: RE: Personal letter]
Date: 4/24/01 2:44:22 AM Central Daylight Time
From:narodnyi-k...@anonymous.to (Radu Dekanozov) To: gulll...@aol.com
Dear Lisa, Please keep private.
Please. What OJ say about Tani is true. What I say about Tani is true, I was
here whole while. Definitely Tani postings much worse when she sign them with
Magistrate title. Everybody remembers this, too. Tani and Sir Chaos the "Big
Revolutionary" make a whole posting of long thread in alt.satanism on LaVey's
Satanic Bibles. Tani tear it to pieces and sign it with Magistrate title. Tani
doesn't do that no more. Compared to before, postings are milder.>> ::snip next
10 screens::
*********
I trust these few random snippets bring home to you the fact that unlike you,
when I make a claim, I've got the goods to back it up.
>[04:36] <JacquelineSCS> I'll never forget how hard I laughed when I read that
particular post of hers.>>
And I laughed when writing it!
A header for those wondering what the fuss is about:
Subject: Re: WHY? Here's why.
From: gulll...@aol.com (GUlLLOTlNA)
Date: 4/20/01 3:09 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <20010420160923...@ng-cj1.aol.com>
I still stand by everthing said therein.
*********
>[03:00] <Commissar> Lisa is stark raving mad.>>
Oooga-booga!..... For a "mad" person, I've certainly got you howling in
despair, do I not? This post of yours simply reeks of desperation. "I've GOT to
deflect ATTENTION off of MYSELF! Let's SEE, maybe I can POST a CHATLOG and stir
up some trouble between that BITCH LISA and JACQUELINE and WHO knows WHO ELSE!
THAT'LL work! HA!"
Nice attempt but no cigar, Fruitbat.
::snip silliness::
I am thrilled you find me such a threat you spend hours discussing me in chats,
Phyl. ::grins:: I like to keep you on your toes.
And I also love it when you prove to all and sundry that anything, *anything*
said to you whether in public or private is grist for the mill. I don't even
need to do anything; you do it all for me! ::laughs out loud::
Truly, you are your own worst enemy.
Ready to start explaining why you accepted that Magistra title from a guy you
allegedly loathed yet?
No?
No surprises there. NOW get a life - FOR ONCE.
Sincerely:
Lisa,
scourge of online idiots since 1997, tm.
*********
"Folks, there is no known force in the natural universe that can prevent
the tragic flapping of Jantsang's mouth; it is a foul Horn of Plenty, producing
endless loads of rotten fruit and offal, not unlike the ass-end of a steer
that's been force-fed a diet of prunes and Ex-Lax. Gawdhelpus, there's no
stopping it."
- Mr. Scratch tells it like it is, 4/17/02
Sir Chaos
> Logs, eh? Here, have some.
Hahaha, this is utterly hilarious - especially from one who would
claim I, of all people, would "cling to the past". From the looks of
it, I'd say this was from roughly the same time Ooey Gooey was
insisting that she NEVER chats about me, NEVER talks about me, NEVER
even THINKS about lil' ol' inconsequential Sir Chaos!
Not to mention all this squirming about Guillotina....
O, this is gonna keep me laughing for some while.
I suppose I could go through all the bullshit spewed through these
logs, but the events being chatted up here were covered long ago, as
they happened, by myself to those involved. Frankly I have a hard
time believing that these logs weren't made up entirely by the Worm
Queen herself; as I know for a fact that Jacqueline knows better.
Here I will only clarify the few lies that stand out, that I have
not already thoroughly debunked to those concerned.
I still have the "last email" from the Worm Queen, and she was
still trying to play friendly with me. It's a really funny one, one
that I have already quoted from in good humor right here on alt.silly.
Mostly, it was one long attempt at an explanation for why her title
was revoked - an utterly asinine, completely false explanation from a
blind, crazy, shit-stained woman. She still doesn't understand, and I
doubt if she ever will - it would require self-consciousness,
something Ooey Gooey does not have.
> [03:31] <JacquelineSCS> Chaos sent emails to everyone, except you, that it
> was you.
Lie. I doubt if Jacqueline even typed this one.
> [03:15] <Commissar> Sir Chaos emailed that news obit all over the place.
Bullshit. Jacqueline has a copy of the email I sent, complete
with all of it's recipients on the cc list, and specifically where I
got the information from.
This whole "where did I find out" crap is a bunch of bullshit. I
learned it from alt.silly, reading Jacqueline's announcement and not a
second before. I verified it through the Church of Satan days after
the announcement came out, in a state akin to shock, and was very sad
to hear that it was true. "Watching people" my ass.
> [03:33] <Commissar> Chaos was very BAD to Tim...
Tim, to my knowledge, is still friendly with me. I was the only
one to stand up for his "Project One", and have yet to do a thing
against him. It was the Worm Queen that was "BAD" to him - She
squealed and ranted and flamed and slandered and jumped up and down
and squirted in her diapers like no one but she can, and I have more
emails to prove that shit that I know what to do with. As does he.
If he has forgotten this, he can ask me privately for copies.
-Sir Chaos
--
"I erred, therefore, I should be exterminated."
- Tani Jantsang
People's Commissar
2001. They are genuine logs. Period. Hey, you wanted logs.
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
news:3dc2bc99.02041...@posting.google.com...
Shut up Ralph. I mailed Barton everything as I got it, months before she
got off her ass and disassociated - for that is exactly what it was. Circe
was the only one with balls enough to flame me for what I was doing. Duh.
You were not in the need to know - do you know that heh - others that were
anti-COS, formerly with them, knew what I was doing? No, you did not know
this.
You wanted logs - so I gave them to you. They are genuine.
The fact that LaVey gave out titles for Tradition Doctrines is a fact no one
can remove, not Barton, not Gilmore, no one. This meant nothing regarding
the COS as an org - I was NOT a member! I was also KNOWN to be openly
hostile to it - yeah, BY THE HP. So what? I guess he didn't care. But for
me to USE that title on anything I wrote - would have been to acknowledge a
person who knew NOTHING, as a HP. Simple. I refused to "go attack and
flame" Raptis, Rinker, Egan - "for the COS' as if I was an attack dog. I
refused. Hey, is it any secret that SR is nothing like the COS - that our
info is nothing like yours and that we have and want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to
do with the COS? Anyone with a brain would have known that.
Worse than that - I was FRIENDLY to the enemies of the COS and committed the
crime of chating with them on MY CHANNEL. Heh, no one tells me what to do.
And I would never pay a cent for nothing. You despised these people. You
are surprised that I did too? Heh. LMAO!
I don't join orgs. I created one. And it's SOLID GOLD. The information
alone is solid gold. What have YOU created or contributed to Satanism and
the understanding of the Dark Side? Nothing? Thought so.
Go away, Ralph.
TJ
Sir Chaos
> The logs are not recent at all. They all date from BEFORE October 7th,
> 2001. They are genuine logs. Period.
That's funny, seeing as "Jacqueline" is talking about an email
address change that didn't happen until --August-- of 2001, in past
tense at that. Psychic, is she?
Nevermind that you would have her chatting ignorance about things
she knew damn well at the time (and you did not), in a vocabulary not
her own, yabbering **your** bullshit.
> Hey, you wanted logs.
Why would I want logs? Obviously, I have well enough of my own.
You realize, of course, that these "logs" are meaningless. My
opinion of Jacqueline was never based on her opinions of me, even if
half of this crap were true.
> Shut up Ralph. I mailed Barton blah BLAH blah BLAH
What did I say? You don't know jack shit. Your Magistra title
was on it's way out long before any of the asinine drama you wave
around, "mail to Barton", "sequence of events", and what not. I was
told specifically of it's coming months in advance, and it was hinted
at many months before that.
Your trivial explanations of these "last straws" is proof of your
utter and absolute blindness.
Look here:
> Worse than that - I was FRIENDLY to the enemies of the COS and committed the
> crime of chating with them on MY CHANNEL.
Same here Ooey, and I didn't even receive an admonition. I'm
still a Proud and Happy Member in good standing. I even have more
responsibility in the Church of Satan than you ever did, regardless of
"rank".
> You despised these people.
Prove it. You can't.
> I don't join orgs. I created one.
WOW!! You created the Order of the Eastern Star? You created the
Kishites? You didn't join either of these organizations? I'd have
never guessed.
> What have YOU created or contributed to Satanism and
> the understanding of the Dark Side?
Lots, actually. More than you would ever understand.
> Go away, Ralph.
Remember when you told me about when you ZONKED Saddam Hussein?
Now THAT was a funny one. Here, I'll paste the tale after my sig.
-Sir Chaos
--
"Banging the gong with Tani would be difficult for me, too. Just the
dialogue alone would be painful: 'OH yes...GIVE it TO me YOU
akoustimatikoi JACKHAMMER! HA!'"
- Blackjack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Red Comrades" <nak...@juno.com>
To: <sirc...@wolfenet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Happy New Year, TANI!
[This is an excerpt from a very long email - those who would believe
that I can make this shit up can go ahead and believe it]
> I'll tell you another one I did because again, Peter has LETTER from me
> telling him what "I am going to TRY HARD to do." And then? I mailed him
> the newspaper article! I had no idea if it would work - I could do it,
> but would the person HEAR ME? OK. some history:
>
> Iraq was the JEWEL of the middle east. It was a wonderful place as
> beautiful as a modern American city. The people had the flame strong in
> them and Iraq - BABYLON - was RISING, truly rising. They were digging up
> the old cities too and Saddam Hussain offered 100 thou to anyone who
> would figure out how the fountains worked an rebuilt it. they had a
> goddess festival there in honor of NEBUCHEDNESSAR (means NEBO guard our
> boundaries!). COINS were minted with Nebuchednessar on them. That sure
> the fuck AINT MOSLEM. And that IS BABYLON! OK? They were rising, happy
> people and Saddam Hussein was a GOOD MAN. Then? President Bush BOMBED
> them. I wrote to Peter that I'm gonna TRY AND TRY to "FIND" Saddam and
> talk to him (not in person...) to tell him to "BOMB ISRAEL AND SET FIRE
> TO THE OIL." Again and again I tried. It was like flying in the
> fucking sky with Saddam in PAJAMAS. I had no idea if he heard it - or
> maybe DREAMED IT? Even so,would he remember? What would he think I was?
> Would he see anything? HOPE NOT! Maybe his dreaming mind would create
> an image suitable to his culture if he DID hear me? THEN - after DAYS of
> trying and keeping Peter up on the prognosis....Saddam announced that
> MOHAMMED came to him in a dream and told him to: BOMB ISRAEL AND SET
> FIRE TO THE OIL. IT WORKED. Of course - NO ONE has been able to
> murder him despite NUMEROUS tries. If that man ONCE deviates from HIS
> PATH, he'll fail, he'll DIE. OK? There have been HUNDREDS of CIA
> attempts and this has come out in documentaries too.
>
> NOW: that is why I KNOW Saddam Hussein has the flame, he's a JUST man, a
> GOOD man and that IS BABYLON - our SECOND home. (Meru was the name of
> the first one...) I don't care what the brainwashing newsmedia has to
> say and I don't listen. Lupo is right about one thing. THIS COUNTRY is
> run by total klippoths now. It didn't used to be.
>
> I've done other things too but....what resulted has BROKEN my fucking
> heart. I've done NOTHING of that type of thing now in years. NO MORE.
> It's TOO BIG. The ramifications are HUGE - TOO huge. But with the
> Saddam thing? It was like I HAD to do it, was COMPELLED to do it. And
> President Bush? It's on record what HAPPENED to him - one of his aids
> said it was like the LIFE was gone from him one day, he was a changed and
> altered man. YEAH - BOMB BABYLON - some of us have something to "SAY"
> about that!
People's Commissar
snippet happened. ASK HER - problem solved. They are genuine logs. You
think I'd post logs that she would be able to deny on here? Please. I
don't give a shit what "YOU" think of anyone. What *I* think of anyone
matters, you see. I like her enough to send her bottled sauces I bought
that she can't get - and she pays me back for the cost/mailing. Now,
hopefully, she can get her stores to order the sauces. Delicious. That is
ALL that matters - TO ME - key factor. ME.
My what? My title? What title? For the record, I HAD NO TITLE. It was
one man's "honorary thing" for ONE THING; both Phil's and mine are NOTHING
except that. Titles are meaningless when you don't USE them on positive
things. Everyone knows what they are when one uses them as weapons. Duh.
Get over yourself. You hid behind "MY TITLE" in order to "GET EVEN" with
Big Bad Andre. Everyone knows this, including Andre, LMAO. End of story.
The title meant NOTHING to anyone except YOU - and a few despised others.
Everyone knows this, Ralph. EVERYONE knows this. It doesn't matter what
you know or how you twist your memory of this. For hell's sakes, even
Aquino KNOWS this and he was quire remote from all of the bullshit. Imagine
it, from my perspective - people bitching and playing those kinds of games
over a what? Over money? no. Over a nation? No. Over a STUPID CHAT
ROOM? Jebux H. Kripes. There are no words for the enormity of The
Despicable. PETTY. Causing problems over NOTHING of imporatance. You
people remind me of mosquitos. Whine whine whine.
Now you can, if you will, kindly go Buzz OFF on your own and be happy with
YOUR LIFE. What I do has nothing to do with YOUR LIFE. And what you do,
who you are, who you belong to, who you swear oaths to, what you think, blah
blah blah, means NOTHING to me. Why can't you grasp that? You never will
because you have ISSUES.
The CoS is not my issue - and happily NO LONGER an issue.
FTR, YES, I created the KISHITE offshoot of the SWS - the SWS was an
offshoot of the SSS. Each of these were markedly different. Yes, I surely
DID do that. Now this is no concern to you; you weren't even BORN at the
time so stop trying to INSERT yourself into what is patently not your
business. It's NO concern to you. Right? Right. You are WHINING again,
always trying to squirm into my business when the door is SHUT. Again.
Whining.
TJ
GUlLLOTlNA
<<You despised these people.>>
<< Prove it. You can't.>>
Of course she can't.
Rather like she cannot prove her remarks that I was down on the CoS because I
felt they "looked down" on me or some such utter nonsense. Yeah, right.
As you well know, Phyl is hardly adverse to making it all up as she goes along;
this is a FACT. PERIOD.
(it absolutely drives her crazy that I never would reveal the motivation for my
actions back then. She asked and asked.... smart me, I kept my mouth shut. I am
still keeping it shut, since wouldn't want to be 'LIVING in the PAST!!!!' or
anything like that...)
<< I don't join orgs. I created one.>>
<<WOW!! You created the Order of the Eastern Star? You created the Kishites?
You didn't join either of these organizations? I'd have never guessed.>>
Amazing, is it not?
:Scroll down to the Saddam-zonk letter::
Oh, my. This is great. And this person wants to call the FBI on others for
slander? LMAO!
>[This is an excerpt from a very long email - those who would believe that I
can make this shit up can go ahead and believe it]>>
My only regret is you didn't post the whole thing.
>they had a goddess festival there in honor of NEBUCHEDNESSAR (means NEBO guard
our boundaries!). >>
Hey, college-graduate brainstorm named Phyllis: that's
N-E-B-U-C-H-A-D-N-E-Z-Z-A-R.
> They were rising, happy people and Saddam Hussein was a GOOD MAN. Then?
President Bush BOMBED them. >>
::shout of laughter::
What, no diatribe regarding how CoS was behind it all?
<< I wrote to Peter that I'm gonna TRY AND TRY to "FIND" Saddam and talk to him
(not in person...) to tell him to "BOMB ISRAEL AND SET FIRE TO THE OIL.">>
Wouldn't you just love to see the FBI's file on Phyl? I know I would. They
probably pull it out at least once a week for comic relief at the FBI
field-office nearest her.
>Again and again I tried. It was like flying in the fucking sky with Saddam in
PAJAMAS. >>
::SHOUT OF LAUGHTER!::
>I had no idea if he heard it - or maybe DREAMED IT? Even so,would he remember?
What would he think I was? Would he see anything? HOPE NOT! Maybe his
dreaming mind would create an image suitable to his culture if he DID hear me?
THEN - after DAYS of trying and keeping Peter up on the prognosis.... Saddam
announced that MOHAMMED came to him in a dream and told him to: BOMB ISRAEL
AND SET FIRE TO THE OIL. IT WORKED. >>
::Your Author wipes away tears of mirth:: I don't know how much more of this I
can stand!
<< NOW: that is why I KNOW Saddam Hussein has the flame, he's a JUST man, a
GOOD man and that IS BABYLON - our SECOND home. >>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA~!
I am sorry, this simply..... Is she Chinese or Arabic? Phyl should decide now.
<< I've done other things too but....what resulted has BROKEN my fucking heart.
I've done NOTHING of that type of thing now in years. NO MORE. It's TOO BIG.
The ramifications are HUGE - TOO huge.>>
Yeah, I just bet. Man, you have to love this. Phyllis, Master of the Universe!
Pbbbffftttt! ::laughs out loud again::
<<But with the Saddam thing? It was like I HAD to do it, was COMPELLED to do
it.>>
Phyl feels COMPELLED!!!! about a lot of things, ever notice that?
>And President Bush? It's on record what HAPPENED to him - one of his aids
said it was like the LIFE was gone from him one day, he was a changed and
altered man.>>
So, Phyllis not only flew around the sky in pajamas with Saddam, she ZONKED!!!!
Bush as well?!
<<YEAH - BOMB BABYLON - some of us have something to "SAY" about that!>>
I am sorry, the picture of Phyllis hand-in-hand with Sadaam as they zoom around
the sky like Peter Pan and Wendy in a Disney cartoon-movie has captured my
imagination, and help! I can't stop laughing! If they lose their happy
thoughts, will they come tumbling down?
Does Brendan play the part of Tinkerbelle?
I think what all this really means is that pissing off SirChaos is not a really
good idea; luckily Phyl will never grok that and so the funny posts will keep
on coming.
Tonight as dusk falls, I'm going to go outside and look up, hoping to see Phyl
and Sadaam pass in front of the moon; hopefully Phyl'll have on underwear.
Having to look up that nightie would be a stressful experience.
LMAO!:
L.
*********
"What he happened to say, in passing, meaning it or not, and usually saying
other things that would contradict what he said as if he didn't even grasp the
implications, is just not necessary to include since such courtesy of including
is no longer needed." - Phyllis
Mr. Scratch
Chaos, for posterity's sake, at the end of this message. It speaks
volumes about Tani's psychological state.
Tani repeatedly talks of her admiration for Saddam Hussein, and speaks in
some detail about how she initiated some psychic connection with him in
her dreams to influence him to bomb Israel and burn the oil fields of
Kuwait. I doubt that I have to explain that Tani is a madwoman.
However, I would like to point out an observation I've made of Tani in the
past, in which this quote from her is a terrific reinforcement -- that she
deeply admires and seeks to emulate the world's greatest successful
sociopathic mass-murderers. It's bad enough that she worships Stalin, but
to gush like a giddy schoolgirl over his murdering henchmen, Dzerzhinsky,
Yezhov and Beria, monsters whose only function in the Soviet state was to
gleefully mastermind the murder of innocent millions, reveals it is more
than mere ideology that attracts her to such figures. I think is is also
safe to say that her breathy admiration of Ghengis Khan has more to do
with the mountains of severed heads and charred cities he left over the
civilized world, than any interest in dusty geopolitical history.
And now, she sighs fondly at the thought of Saddam Hussein, whose only
talent appears to be the preservation of his criminal regime. Saddam is a
man who, whatever people might think of the U.S policy in the Mid-East,
has unquestionably butchered many thousands of his own people, and
brutalizes them still. What is there to admire in such a man? Quite a
bit, if you are Tani Jantsang.
There have been many studies compiled on the sociopathic personality, and
one frequently appearing commonality is the adoration of the political
mass-murderers of history. Usually the figure is Adolf Hitler (though in
Tani's case, it seems Hitler was too miserable a failure in his killing
for her to admire him, having been brought to violent justice before his
"work" was done), but Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Stalin are also
occasionally encountered. Even still, few sociopaths worship their
bloodstained idols with the feverish passion of Tani.
We've already seen that Tani has no functioning conscience -- that she
will betray anyone so long as it is useful, and sees no problem with
acting in the most reprehensible, unethical, and even violent manner, if
she believes she can get away with it. Nor does she have any qualms about
spinning the most outrageous baldfaced lies on a whim, of such an absurd
scale that even veteran liars would balk at doing such -- a trait typical
of those pathologically lacking conscience. And like other sociopaths,
she sees other people as not being real humans, but alien or robotic
"klippoths", entire groups of "enemies" who are defined merely by their
class, whose lives are only suited to being destroyed.
Sociopaths such as Tani fetishize the great political criminals of the
world because they see in these figures the representation of their own
pathological impulses writ large. They fantasize about standing in the
shoes of their favorite political killer, directing their millions of
perceived "enemies" to their wretched deaths, while basking amid idol-like
statues of themselves, or before a crowd who cheers its approval of their
insanity. They see in these monsters a reflection of themselves made
successful, and the fantasy of what could be, if only their bloodthirsty
urges could be given full vent.
Her letter leaves little doubt that Tani identifies greatly with Saddam
Hussein, a man who regards torture and execution as a pleasant pastime.
Apparently she identifies with him so much that she feels she is in
contact with him in her dreams, and that they share a single motivation to
destroy. To some degree, it appears Tani envisions a deep psychic
connection with the mass-killer Saddam, some seamless intertwinement of
purpose that is reminiscent of an obsessed lover or fan. How romantic.
Take heed of such developments as this, folks. Perhaps someday Tani's
dream of homicidal glory will overtake her caution, and we'll be treated
to a blood-spattered display of the aftermath of her unbound passion on
the national news.
(And to any future police, who might find this message in trying to
establish Tani's motives: I'm glad you've got your [wo]man. There can be
little doubt of where Tani's life has been heading all these years, and
I'm glad you've put a stop to it...hopefully before too many people were
harmed.)
Mr. Scratch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Red Comrades" <nak...@juno.com>
To: <sirc...@wolfenet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Happy New Year, TANI!
[This is an excerpt from a very long email - those who would believe
that I can make this shit up can go ahead and believe it]
I'll tell you another one I did because again, Peter has LETTER from me
telling him what "I am going to TRY HARD to do." And then? I mailed him
the newspaper article! I had no idea if it would work - I could do it,
but would the person HEAR ME? OK. some history:
Iraq was the JEWEL of the middle east. It was a wonderful place as
beautiful as a modern American city. The people had the flame strong in
them and Iraq - BABYLON - was RISING, truly rising. They were digging up
the old cities too and Saddam Hussein offered 100 thou to anyone who
circe
>volumes about Tani's psychological state.
That's nice, as long as you believe anything Sir Chaos says that is. What I
would be more interested in knowing is why you, Sir Chaos, and the rest of the
CoS's lacky's and such, never had a problem as long as Tani had her title and
you were huddled in some chat room with her and e-mailing B. Barton? W hy
didn't you or the others question her statements then, if they were so god
awful? Why so mute then, kinda like the way you are now when it comes to idiots
like Filan and Ygraine?
---------------
Kevin Filan
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020421150900...@mb-mr.aol.com...
*snip*
Shut up, whore. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Peace
Kevin Filan (just for old times' sake)
--
You are a wasted life, Filan. True to tell. Go have a fucking drink. You
post ideas that could bring peace to this STUPID newsgroup, your "home turf"
instead of to the right people. YOU should have been hit bu that WTC
falling down then.
- the warmth and wisdom of Tani Jantsang
circe
Hmm...Using another sock I see are we? That can just as easily be plonked as
your previous one was, child-fucker. I'm certainly glad at least your Father
doesn't have your xtian mentality when it comes to innocent little whores, in
fact, the old phone lines have been getting a bit hot here between he and I.
It's amazing how much one can tell about the likes of you just from talking
with their Daddy. I bet you really hate the fact that he loved the children he
raised that weren't even his own more than you. I also bet you hate the fact
that he divorced your whore of an alcoholic Mother and married someone younger,
prettier, and smarter than she. No wonder he hates you. And that' s the way it
should be. :::smirk:::
---------------
Sir Chaos
> They are genuine logs. ASK HER. They are dated as to exactly when each
> snippet happened. ASK HER - problem solved. They are genuine logs. You
> think I'd post logs that she would be able to deny on here?
As a matter of fact, I know you would. Just as you would have
your friends forge a "REAL" email, clueless of the details involved in
how that would be done, and insist on it's validity multiple times,
digging a nice, deep hole for yourself to fall into when I finally get
bored enough to point out the line break codes that push you in.
When I changed my email address in early August of 2001, over a
hundred people received notice of it, including (of course) the Church
of Satan Administration. It's not that hard to verify. But who
knows? Maybe Jacqueline Davis *is* psychic. Maybe, in a way totally
unlike her, she soiled her own honor and lied to you about some
asinine email claiming you used Nagy's puppet nick. Maybe she simply
became a parrot of your twisted psyche and yabbered the bullshit in
these logs. Frankly, I don't care one whit, Worm Queen. That was an
awfully long time ago, and since then I have made peace with
Jacqueline; and I have no mind to break that peace, regardless of the
shit you would disturb.
> Please. I don't give a shit what "YOU" think of anyone.
Then it's about time you shut your yap.
-Sir Chaos
--
"Any words or statements that SMACK you upside the head, are zonks."
- Tani Jantsang
Sir Chaos
> Every time I think things can get no funnier, somehow they always do.
Pleased to be of service.
> << Prove it. You can't.>>
>
> Of course she can't.
> Rather like she cannot prove her remarks that I was down on the CoS because I
> felt they "looked down" on me or some such utter nonsense. Yeah, right.
As I have said before, your criticisms were on the mark - although
I would say for a good many "Satanists" in general, as opposed to any
one organization. Too many people walk around with their panties in a
knot, and it is up to iconoclasts like you and I to twist that knot.
Hard. For as long as it takes. Well, or until we get bored.
> As you well know, Phyl is hardly adverse to making it all up as she goes
> along; this is a FACT. PERIOD.
To turn a phrase:
You are sooooo not kidding.
> >[This is an excerpt from a very long email - those who would believe that I
> can make this shit up can go ahead and believe it]>>
>
> My only regret is you didn't post the whole thing.
You may just get that wish, Lisa. In time.
Really, you would have had advance notice of this one coming.
There are two reasons you did not.
The first is that you seem to have mis-set your AOL options to
block incoming mail.
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to air-xb04.mail.aol.com.:
> >>> RCPT To:<gulll...@aol.com>
> <<< 550 gulllotlna IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
And the second is this:
> ::Your Author wipes away tears of mirth:: I don't know how much more of this I
> can stand!
I wouldn't want to hurt you, you see.
You might want to fix that first one, before Ooey here goes off
and posts how much my brothers (cousins, sisters, uncles, whatever)
HATED me and treated me so BAD (all the while posting crap about how
she does not believe in slandering families etc.); you might miss how
she accidentally caused the AIDS crisis in Africa while breaking a
MASS CLING of Negroes.
No, I'm not kidding.
If I posted the whole thing at once, you could **DIE** laughing.
I know I almost did, when I received it.
> So, Phyllis not only flew around the sky in pajamas with Saddam, she
> ZONKED!!!! Bush as well?!
My theory: She was probably aiming for Dole and -missed- (damn
zonk-deflectors)!
> I am sorry, the picture of Phyllis hand-in-hand with Sadaam as they zoom
> around the sky like Peter Pan and Wendy in a Disney cartoon-movie has
> captured my imagination, and help! I can't stop laughing! If they lose their
> happy thoughts, will they come tumbling down?
>
> Does Brendan play the part of Tinkerbelle?
O shit...
[Sir Chaos bursts into raucous laughter, rolling on the floor,
curling up and drooling inanely for seveal minutes. His cat looks at
him funny as he crawls back up to his chair.]
> I think what all this really means is that pissing off SirChaos is not a
> really good idea; luckily Phyl will never grok that and so the funny posts
> will keep on coming.
Lisa: she's a smart one alright.
> Tonight as dusk falls, I'm going to go outside and look up, hoping to see Phyl
> and Sadaam pass in front of the moon; hopefully Phyl'll have on underwear.
> Having to look up that nightie would be a stressful experience.
[Sir Chaos suddenly *gags*, his cat running to comfort him.]
That was NOT a pleasant vision.
-Sir Chaos
--
"ummmm....from this it follows that, whether or not there is a one, it
and the other alike, both are and are not, and appear and do not
appear to be, in all manner of things, and in all manner of ways, both
in relation to itself and to the other?"
- Kori Houghton [on the RHP & LHP]
Sir Chaos
> That's nice, as long as you believe anything Sir Chaos says that is.
It's not really a matter of belief, Nancy. Simple logic will do.
If you don't have that, well... I don't care anyway.
> What I
> would be more interested in knowing is why you, Sir Chaos, and the rest of the
> CoS's lacky's and such, never had a problem as long as Tani had her title and
> you were huddled in some chat room with her and e-mailing B. Barton?
[Hint: She never did email the High Priestess; Blanche does not
accept email.]
> W hy
> didn't you or the others question her statements then, if they were so god
> awful?
Y ou really aren't that observant, are you?
Check the archives for my first posts, I was poking at "The
Magistra" even then. And boyoboy did we argue in chat.
I suppose I have been rather selective in my chosen quotes - my
side of the conversations in my archives have been left out because
they really aren't that exciting. I could post some of them, if you
wish. Here, I will post a one, selected at random, after my sig, just
so you can see how dull (if prophetic) it is.
> Why so mute then, kinda like the way you are now when it comes to idiots
> like Filan and Ygraine?
Because Filan, despite our differences, is an intelligent and
accomplished individual whom I greatly respect - similarly with
Ygraine. Neither have given me any reason to flame them, and
therefore I don't.
Hell, I named my CAT after Ygraine! That's about the highest honor
one can get from me, you know. Ygraine is a household name over here,
and she has yet to prove my respect unwarrented.
You, on the other hand, beg for abuse. Were I a little less cruel
by nature, I'd indulge you more often. Did I ever say how much I
despise crackheads?
-Sir Chaos
--
"I have made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my
enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."
- Voltaire
From: "Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com>
To: "Red Comrade" <nak...@juno.com>
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Take a careful look at this statement:
> Meta sees you as saying "See, I'm not with Tani after all, I WANNABE with
> you Jacqueline." That is what is perceived. HOW DO YOU think such
> perceptions affect real life? You never thought of that.
Meta sees, "... NOT WITH... WITH..."
> What this
> "with Tani" crap? That's the perception of my enemies, the klippoths.
And you call the guy seeing this your friend?
Since when do you care about appearances?
> You have no
> idea what YIN is? You lead Chaos: I'll follow. I did!
And WHO'S responsability was that? All I did was come up with
logs.
YIN does not absolve responsability, Tani, just as YANG does not
absolutely claim it.
> It is in the opinion of some
> of my closer closest friends that I played you like a violin by allowing
> you to play me (a well known tactic btw) and now they see I am throwing
> you to the dogs. So be it. It is what it is. I can only throw you
> to the dogs if you Will to be with them: and most ppl reading your posts
> THINK you want to join their kennel.
And since when did you give a shit what they THINK?
> You flamed me in order to expose
> Jackie as a liar. That doesn't sit well. Not with our kind.
Your kind doesn't take criticism very well - sounds like an EGO
problem to me. You know my flames, Tani - I gave you a perfect out,
you could have easily proved me wrong. I CRITICIZED. Flames would
involve more effort.
Peck, peck, peck away, if you must. You prove your enemies right
by following my prediction. Metadromos is proving himself a drone -
and none of it is neccisary. I am giving you quite a number of
chances to call it off. It's only too late if you have no free will,
Tani, which I find hard to imagine.
> It's just a good thing that when on the
> phone "explaining the situation" you used blue (yeah, BIG TIME, lol)
> and not yellow which would have been WAR.
Very fortunate. I didn't know Yellow at the time, and I had no
"color names" for what I did. Yellow, and Red, were disasterous to
experiment with. Trial and error is tough to do with "color magic".
> I know you have a thing about the last word.
There are well enough unanswered emails in my collection to prove
otherwise. Keep projecting.
> I don't even LIKE you.
Here we go again. You might be a gate through which ophion
travels through, but as far as ophionic symptoms go, objectively, you
make a worrisome case. How you feel towards me spins like a top in a
tunnel; don't you see it? I can quote you flashing back and forth on
this matter a dozen times, if not more.
Make up your mind.
I'm a critic. I have a lot of ammo. No, I don't have amnesia - I
have records. I am most certainly a *potential* enemy - a good reason
to stay allies if you ask me. Nobody on alt.satanism really cares
what *I* think, or who's "side" I am on. If you continue to post my
private emails without my permission, I *could* return the favor - and
we all know just who drools at the concept (neither of us for sure).
I don't mind online bickering - it counters the "Tani Clique/Drone"
image quite easily, that we disagree on so many (trivial) issues. But
I would rather not fight. You know what they say about loose
friend-lips: They sink friend-ships.
-Sir Chaos
People's Commissar
PERIOD. Solved.
TJ
People's Commissar
MAILED it, snail mail - every single thing. 4 packages worth of the
garbage.
Jeffrey Archer documents what Iraq was like, before the Imperialist USA
bombed them into the stone age. This considerably changed the character of
Saddam Hussein from that of a very progressive leader of a modernizing
country, whose cost of living and quality of life were BETTER than the
USA's. This is all documented in the now hard to find Jeffrey Archer book.
I think it's called the Grasshopper and the Elephant, I don't have it here
to quote off hand - but I xeroxzed the entire book for Delilah. Some people
would like to KNOW this.
I hate what this country did to them. Hate it. They had unearthed the
archaeological sites there, they had a festival to the Goddess there. Wayne
was invited to go. It was wonderful. And then Bush Sr. BOMBED them.
Saddam was offering $100,000 to anyone that could build the fountains as
they used to be in Babylon. I don't like him now. He SUCKS now. But
before? He was a wonderful leader - and more than just I have noted that
Iraq was the Flower and Jewel of Islam.
Otherwise they can keep obsessing. Jacqueline said what she said, heh heh,.
they need only ASK HER by showing her the logs. Isn't that simple enough?
Next they'd need to get Schlesinger on here, gritting his teeth, saying
something nice to Chaos - after he told him to NEVER say another word to him
or mention his name. LMAO.
He approached me as an enemy. Then he tried to be a lackey. What do you
think I did? What do you think everyone that knew me thought of him: That
he was trash about to be flushed hopefully sooner and not later? That's the
end of it. Period. He's last years turd. I don't see what his problem is
now. He's in the COS. I'm with SR. So? What is the problem? There is
none.
TJ
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020421150900...@mb-mr.aol.com...
People's Commissar
Guess so.
TJ
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020421170743...@mb-fz.aol.com...
Scythian
I find it dysfunctional that this man was not expelled, but it is not your
or my problem.
This is long over to everyone else.
Jason Y
People's Commissar
others, for making a progressive and modernizing society that could have
spread throughout Islam. But the imperialists couldn't allow that, right.
Did I try a magicakal working? Yes, I sure did. Why not? Lots of people
were in on it with me too - helping. Would it work? Maybe. It seems to
have worked. The entire working seems to have worked, in fact. What, don't
YOUR magickal workings work? Bwhahaha. And yeah, Gilmore has letters from
me before any of it actually happened - about us plannikng a working. Hey,
that's before the fact - not after. But that might still be coincidence.
Right? I think it worked. One thing I do know, I said we'd do this BEFORE
the shit happened. And THEN it happened. That's a lot different from the
"Mansfield" story which is "magical after the fact."
That I did do. And? Are you claiming that you do NOT do magickal workings?
As for the rest? Well, considering I was talking to a fucking moron that
thought "detective work" on the part of the ADL was Big Black Magic - go
from there. What he is going on and on about this for now is beyhond me -
he's COS. I'm SR, to quote Jacqueline on the non-issue. It's no one in
the cos except people LIKE Chaos (who's on their shit list too, I think)
that have a problem with this. They are COS. We are SR. End of story.
Why continue to bring up what has long been washed off everyone else's
hands? Oh, because he has ISSUES; maybe because Andre won't talk to him.
Who knows or cares?
As for your views on Dzerzhinsky and the rest - for that time period - we
can agree to disagree. I do NOT see them as murderers. Unlike everything
you get "into" there is absolutely nothing sexualized in this stuff. You
are sick, just for that, you are a freak. They were in fact no more brutal
than anyone else back then was - and a lot LESS brutal than the Czars who
kept people, hundreds of millions of people, in the most miserable
conditions - worse than black slavery in the United States. I see them as
executing THE MURDERERS, legally in their new system, for a good cause.
Why should hundreds of millions of people slave to their deaths for a sick,
dysgenic Czar? Better let the young and healthy EXTERMINATE the Czar and
his god damned rotten, sickly family and system of exploitation and set
something NEW going in motion. I definitely SALUTE that. I STILL salute
it. You got a problem with that? You sexualize it? If you do, you are
sick.
I see NO reason why Bush Sr. bombed what was the jewel of Islam (Iraq) and
doing things that turned Saddam into a monster when he was, before that, a
tolerant man who invited people I personally know over there (my relatives
were there, too - but you don't consider that) to participate in the
Goddess festivals of old Babylon, at the newly dug out archaelogical sites.
I personally knew people who had lived there, and/or been invited there - it
was a very VERY nice place. Wayne was in touch with the Embassy, all of
that. It was wonderful. Life was superb there. And then Bush Sr. bombed
it. Out of the fucking blue, he BOMBED it. WHO is the mass murderer? You
god damned moron.
You bet I did a magickal working - and so did about 100 others with me.
Babylon is OUR holy land, in case you forgot that.
As Jeffrey Archer pointed out, this was the first time he knew of that the
newsmedia wrote propaganda that was a pack of lies. Of course, you DO NOT
want to know what Archer reported, the facts, first hand.
For YOU, you white bread, pent-up idiot, this might be fetish. Leave it to
you to sexualize something that's got nothing to do with sex at all. Damned
you are SICK as shit. Jesus H. Christ - do you ever NOT do that? You are
one sick puppy, Freudian as hell. MY RELATIVES LIVED THERE. Also, my
direct family came FROM the USSR - that same place that Dzerzhinsky helped
to make - and it was FINE until WW2. I have relatives right in the Middle
East (in Turkey now) now that were 100% pro USA in the past - that are
definitely NOT pro USA anymore. This is a surprise? What, you don't know
anyone that has relatives there? Sure you don't. We don't sexualize things
that are non sexual. That's YOUR domain.
I consider the leaders of MNC, TNC and the unelected president to be
sociopaths. I consider the super exploitation of workers to be sociopathic.
You BET I cheer on anyone who'd overthrow them - BY ANY MEANS necessary -
magickal opnes being the least of the means. You can dream on all you want
about delusions of me. You are getting information from a person that 1.
was an enemy; 2. was used against my other enemies after he did the
despicable ass kissing and whining about "bullies" that he did; 3. was
trashed in the garbage bin when said useage of him was done with - GOOD
RIDDANCE. You'd think he'd be happy in the COS now. No such thing. Rumor
mills.
See inside a repost with great information in it.
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.02042...@garcia.efn.org...
snip of Scratch's psycheval ego projection of himself.
>
> And now, she sighs fondly at the thought of Saddam Hussein, whose only
> talent appears to be the preservation of his criminal regime. Saddam is a
> man who, whatever people might think of the U.S policy in the Mid-East,
> has unquestionably butchered many thousands of his own people, and
> brutalizes them still. What is there to admire in such a man? Quite a
> bit, if you are Tani Jantsang.
He didn't used to be that way at all. THIS is what you have lobotomized
yourself against the truth of. He was a tolerant man, had Goddess
festivals, had a wonderful society BEFORE Bush Sr. ruined it all. You are
what, preaching to political idiots on here? The EU knows what the USA did.
That's for sure. So does E. Europe. They KNOW. Hell will be to pay for
this - sit back and WAIT. And quote me on this: I don't give a FUCK about
the WTC. I think the USA's own DOD or DIA did it and nothing can convince
me otherwise.
>
> There have been many studies compiled on the sociopathic personality, and
> one frequently appearing commonality is the adoration of the political
> mass-murderers of history. Usually the figure is Adolf Hitler (though in
> Tani's case, it seems Hitler was too miserable a failure in his killing
> for her to admire him, having been brought to violent justice before his
> "work" was done), but Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Stalin are also
> occasionally encountered. Even still, few sociopaths worship their
> bloodstained idols with the feverish passion of Tani.
The CZAR was a mass murderer. Period. Dzerzhinsky was one of the kindest
men alive with kind ideas - even the CIA documented that. You are none but
brainwashed puppet of imperialism and propaganda. Hitler was just like the
Czars - a bully.
>
> We've already seen that Tani has no functioning conscience -- that she
> will betray anyone so long as it is useful, and sees no problem with
Wrong. It would have been obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that
Chaos was ALWAYS considered a useable enemy. Period. So why doesn't he get
on with his life and be happy in the org that he IS in? Because he has
ISSUES about what he did for our side - AGAINST the cos. That is why. That
is the ONLY reason why. Perhaps also because Andre doesn't pat him on the
back - or even talk to him. That is why.
snip of your bout of ego projection and pure freaking propaganda against
HEROS, FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Saddam WAS that before Bush Sr. bombed his country
for NO god damned reason at all. Bush SR is the war criminal and you
probably don't even realize that there was a UN hearing on this declaring
it - Archer documented it. I dare you to read the facts in Archer's book.
I dare you. MANY reported the same things. MANY were shocked at the lack
of the "peace movement" to say a word.
Yup, this I did. Yup. I said it before it actually happened. Did the
magick work? I think so. Enough people were trying it in a combined
effort.
>
> NOW: that is why I KNOW Saddam Hussein has the flame, he's a JUST man, a
> GOOD man and that IS BABYLON - our SECOND home. (Meru was the name of
> the first one...) I don't care what the brainwashing newsmedia has to
> say and I don't listen. Lupo is right about one thing. THIS COUNTRY is
> run by total klippoths now. It didn't used to be.
The pity is, Saddam probably no longer has that flame - he's been turned
into an image of Bush Sr.: A KLIPPOTH. Now he, like Bush Sr., is a war
criminal.
>
> I've done other things too but....what resulted has BROKEN my fucking
> heart. I've done NOTHING of that type of thing now in years. NO MORE.
> It's TOO BIG. The ramifications are HUGE - TOO huge. But with the
> Saddam thing? It was like I HAD to do it, was COMPELLED to do it. And
> President Bush? It's on record what HAPPENED to him - one of his aids
> said it was like the LIFE was gone from him one day, he was a changed and
> altered man. YEAH - BOMB BABYLON - some of us have something to "SAY"
> about that!
>
Yup, Gilmore probably has the letters. OHLP wrote a whole article on what
Iraq was like and showed the beautiful minted coins. And I most definitely
did do a magickal working with a lot of people helping. Did we cause Saddam
to do this? Maybe. Maybe not. Are you saying that you do not do magickal
workings? Perhaps yours never work, bwhahaha.
This has good information about Iraq in it. For MORE - get Jeffrey Archers
documented book - I can xerox the entire thing for anyone interested.
TJ
Scythian
children who like to shit everywhere.
I never "logged" personally, but I know what it does to their brains.
"Mengele and Gorgos"? That was me, deport me. All the nicks, was me talking
shit.
Also all people being logged were actually talking to me. Those were all in
jokes.
Just give me the tab, I was playing with nicknames I guess.
Luckily, I'm a lone raven. Hard to nepotize myself.
Jason Y
GUlLLOTlNA
incoming mail.>>
You were supposed to be able to mail me; but at any rate, the problem is now
fixed.
I did have a list of allowed correspondees (if such a word there be.)
> you might miss how she accidentally caused the AIDS crisis in Africa while
breaking a MASS CLING of Negroes.>>
::heaves a sigh::
You know, honestly.... this is so nutty, it's almost not even funny. Note that
word almost.
Just before I read a recent post of Mr. Scratch's detailing Phyllistani's
mentality re her beloved mass executioners, I wondered: When are we going to
see a post where she's praising Idi Amin to the skies...? ::laughs::
She never stops to consider that her idol Sadaam would have her put to death
before she got three sentences out of her mouth... which would be the best
day's work he ever did, but I digress. She appeared to Sadaam in a vision and
he mistook her for Mohammed! ::derision:: It just doesn't get any -better- than
this.
Scratch: <<And like other sociopaths, she sees other people as not being real
humans, but alien or robotic "klippoths", entire groups of "enemies" who are
defined merely by their class, whose lives are only suited to being
destroyed.>>
That pretty much hits the nail on the head. One could write a Master's thesis
on abnormal psychology just on what she posts here. I am surprised no one has
yet done so.
I don't think she's scary. I don't think she's a badass. I don't think she
wields any real-world power whatsoever, nor any occult powers. She doesn't "get
to" me. She doesn't make me angry.
I just think she's a hilarious, pathetic example of what happens when old
ladies do not take their Premarin, smoke a little too much weed, and have too
much time to waste online; a cess-pit of all things foul, funny and stupid.
throwing another bag of popcorn into the microwave:
L.
*********
"Actually, I view the world as it has only two races on it: one race is
zoos-eros like any other natural animal […] The other race is thanatos and
dead, klippothic. If I were living in the Middle East, I'd be able to find the
klippothic element there too and probably be able to determine that..."
- from an article by Phyllis posted anonymously in message id: :
CPB5MLQ23728...@anonymous.poster
GUlLLOTlNA
This is not about Jacqueline, you hag. It's about you and your panting,
slavering need to betray someone, ANYone in order to salve your wounded
feelings. You were losing the argument, so you thought you'd start a new one.
Your attempts to pass this debacle off onto J. and away from yourself have been
duly noted. What a slimy POS you really are!
I knew that J. was on speaking-terms with you; this was evident from things
said in public, here. While privately amazed, I kept my mouth shut. "People
only learn by experience," I thought, "and J's a big girl. This is not your
business. Phyllis is going to burn her, and when she does, everything I have
ever postulated about her (yours, Phyllis) code of ethics will be borne out.
Keep your mouth shut, and let events play themselves out."
Well, bingo, eh Phyl? I thank you for proving the truth of my suppositions. I
am just sorry an innocent person had to get burned to prove it.
>PERIOD. Solved.>>
Oh, you bet it's "solved." Way to go. You burned your bridge with one of the
few people here willing to tolerate you. That is so..... so *you,* you know?
with a sneer of derision:
L.
*********
"I've got news for you […] You folks don't know the first thing about the way
people think, or what motivates them to do the things they do. If you did, you
wouldn't be the clumsy idiots that you are when it comes to LBM, bungling about
making imperious declarations, and recoiling in shock when you get punched in
the schnoz by the people you've offended."
- Mr. Scratch directs a scathing denunciation towards
"unaffiliated" sockpuppets; however these sentiments have other applications as
well.
circe
>Guess so.
Yes, I take to him often too. He and I are becoming quite friendly actually. He
is a very warm and friendly person and Kevin is the only one in his family that
went astray. He was telling me about his school yrs. in Philadelphia and St.
Louis. He has quite a history and quite frankly I have no idea why Kevin is so
opposite his Father. Hmmm. Perhaps Filan will now think twice before posting my
families personal information to this ng again. Be careful what you wish for I
always say. :-)
---------------
circe
>MAILED it, snail mail - every single thing. 4 packages worth of the
>garbage.
I thought you e-mailed it all, but in reality snail mail is better cause it's
all right there in front of her in case she wants to look it all over as a
reference to any response. e-mail has taken everything away from the personal
aspects of letter writing. It sucks, it really does. She was probably so damn
overwhelmed that she just threw up her hands. I know this because of the way
she handled things. If she would have actually sat down and saw that you were
prodded and coaxed by Gimore and Peggy she would have at least been able to
come to the conclusion that it wasn't you that got things started, and above
all else she should have been able to recognize that sickening Chaos kid was
the one that was crying the loudest. What gave me a big ol' wake-up call was
the way she kicked Hr. Vad and -wolf- out for being a friend to yourself and
letting hewr know a few things about it all. Hr. Vad wrote a wonderful letter
to her and tried to make her understand that the internet *is* in fact REAL!
Now why he would be kicked out was very telling, very telling indeed!
---------------
circe
>You are talking to Kevin Filan's father? Woah, did I miss posts of what?
>Guess so.
One other thing I forgot to mention that may just explain Filans disposition,
is the fact that his own Father caught him in a rather compromising position
with one of the other boys he was raising when they were children. His Father
punished him severley with a firm hand to the buttocks as well as making Kevin
wear a dress to school for a whole day. That explains alot!
---------------
GUlLLOTlNA
in on it with me too - helping. Would it work? Maybe. It seems to have worked.
>>
So, Phyllis, let's get this straight: you and assorted others performed a
"magickal working" in which you contacted Hussein telepathically.You and he,
linked hand-to-hand, flew through the evening sky on a journey of wonder, sort
of like Superman taking Lois Lane on a flight in the first Superman movie: is
that right?
The warm evening wind rippled his jammies and your nightie; the stars seemed
close enough to touch. You looked at each other and smiled in wonderment. "BOMB
ISRAEL AND SET FIRE TO THE OIL, SADAAM!" you shouted over the noise of the
wind.
Zooooom! Your shadows passed over underlying cumulus; like two eagles, you
soared with the updrafts - the wind was beneath your wings!
*********
That's all really poetic, Phyl, but if you guys throw such a powerful ZONK, why
are you not effecting world-leaders in ways that would further your political
agendas? The best you can do is fooling a mass-murderer on the other side of
the globe into thinking you're Mohammed?!
The least you could have done was donned your tinfoil helmets and fixed that
mess in your own state regarding screwed-up ballots during the last
Presidential election. I mean, really.
>And yeah, Gilmore has letters from me before any of it actually happened -
about us plannikng a working. >>
It would certainly be interesting to hear Gilmore's side of this....
>One thing I do know, I said we'd do this BEFORE the shit happened. And THEN it
happened. >>
Yeah, and I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn....
>You are sick, just for that, you are a freak. They were in fact no more brutal
than anyone else back then was - and a lot LESS brutal than the Czars who kept
people, hundreds of millions of people, in the most miserable conditions -
worse than black slavery in the United States. >>
Yadda yadda yaadda....
>Better let the young and healthy EXTERMINATE the Czar and his god damned
rotten, sickly family and system of exploitation and set something NEW going in
motion. I definitely SALUTE that. I STILL salute it. You got a problem with
that? You sexualize it? If you do, you are sick.>>
The only person sexualizing mass-murder here is you, PHYLLIS. What do the
Romanovs have to do with.... oh, forget it.
:: snip endless rants::
I'll believe you have "MAGICKAL POWERS!" when I see you lot doing something
more constructive with same than fooling Sadaam Hussein into thinking you're
Mohammed. You cannot even answer a single question, so far from influencing
world events.
Literally laughing out loud:
L.
*********
"My cousin Dorjan Tardu got into a fight defending himself once and punched the
kid he fought clear off a roof - 4 stories high. So what. It's nothing. It's
irrelevant. […] The father of the lady downstairs grabbed his daughter's baby
and threw it into the street with intend to kill it because he did not like
the ethnic group she mated with. Ho hum. Newark NJ. A typical day."
- "Newark, NJ: Look Out, Below!" by Phyllis, message id:
ubqf7o6...@corp.supernews.com
People's Commissar
problem.
"Scythian" <Scyt...@oco.net> wrote in message
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People's Commissar
This is a MUST READ book for the facts about what Iraq was like before the
Klippoth bombed it for NO god damned reason at all.
"Scythian" <Scyt...@oco.net> wrote in message
news:uc91r7r...@corp.supernews.com...
Scythian
It's just this forum now (or whatever this is) ..... I just keep posting
because it's more funny than tragic.
Jason Y
Scythian
I put some blame on Saddam, tho.
Jason Y
Delila
> bombed them into the stone age. This considerably changed the character
of
> Saddam Hussein from that of a very progressive leader of a modernizing
> country, whose cost of living and quality of life were BETTER than the
> USA's. This is all documented in the now hard to find Jeffrey Archer
book.
> I think it's called the Grasshopper and the Elephant, I don't have it here
> to quote off hand - but I xeroxzed the entire book for Delilah. Some
people
> would like to KNOW this.
>
I think it's "The Ant and the Sledgehammer" (LOL), same principal, though. I
read it in just a few sittings as soon as I got it in the mail. It was
certainly eye-opening, to say the least. The media never reported any of
this. So much for a free press.
D.
Kevin Filan
"GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.competent> wrote in message
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>
> I just think she's a hilarious, pathetic example of what happens when old
> ladies do not take their Premarin, smoke a little too much weed, and have
too
> much time to waste online; a cess-pit of all things foul, funny and
stupid.
I'd lay the blame on Kahlua myself. If Tani were a habitual pot-smoker, she
wouldn't be able to get nearly so excited about things like Anton LaVey's
dental hygeine.
Come to think of it, maybe we should take up a collection and buy Tani a few
pounds of primo bud. It would make her posts more coherent, level out her
mood swings, and take care of the hot flashes all at once.
Peace
Kevin Filan
People's Commissar
of it. I despised them all - thought Barton was a blithering idiot and a
user. Rememer the hacker logs? You know who got those and gave them to me
and I summarily posted them. Les said his jaw was on the floor (he was
Egan's Mag at the time) - it shocked the hell out of them even tho they
suspected they were being cracked/hacked. I DO NOT LIKE those people - or
anything they do. Period.
I don't like their allies - and how, for instance, they are psychotic enough
to sexualize things that are not sexual at all. They CUM on my dead neices
and nephews and don't even realize it. They demonize, like little parrots,
the people solely responsible for setting my father's parents FREE so that
they'd have a LIFE. I despise them. They are sick, twisted people. I
despise the shit they pulled for us having our own chat room. I despise
what they did to Tim and the things HE did out of pure fear. The abuses
always (at first) stick up for their abusers. It's loathsome. OK? And for
them to think I owe enemies of mine, obvious enemies, anything but ENMITY is
a joke.
I'd scrape their chins on the gutter in person. Or worse. They deserve
worse. They never flush their shit - they wallow in it and love it. They
ego project their SICK delusions on others - always sexual too - everytime.
They imagine that struggling people have sex on the brain like they do?
They are happy to eat their first good meal, for fuck's sakes. They
demonize the wrong people - every time.
When it comes to my blood kin? You BET I honor the people that these
pampered bastards would demonize. They were HEROS.
And I'll say it again. Fuck Slick Willy. Fuck Bush Sr the war criminal.
Fuck W the imbecile war criminal. They are 100 times worse than Osamma.
They created Osamma. Now they can DEAL with it - all of it. These assholes
don't even know when they trespass on blood kin - getting of on what, some
moron in a uniform? That's where they are at. They are their own curses.
They have NO CONCEPT of freedom fighters, or of being a slave that was set
free. NONE. They have NO concept of a good life - bombed to shit by a
piece of lame shit for the god damned oil. BURN the god damned oil. Burn
it ALL.
Peg and Pete are history - last years nothing - or is that 2 years ago? Who
cares. Sure, Peg knew all about that - but she wanted to see it from me
anyway. HA HA HA. Now I wonder what Peg feels (really feels) toward her
doormats. LMAO. She never thought I'd hand it over to be exposed by Ole -
or post it all - uh uh. They "care" about this shit. And it's 100%
nothingness. I don't like the CoS - period. The top people in it KNEW I
did not like them. Period. Where was their responsibility in informing
others that we were HOSTILE? Lax? This is all nothingness.
W is not nothingness. His and Slick Willie's crimes against MY KIN, along
with Bush SR are not nothingness. Jason agrees. And they want to open the
borders? Bwhahaha.
Wolf had his first BIG fight with Peter over whose name was going to go on
the document Peter wrote. The plots, imo, started from right there.
That's only imo.
You leave out a crucial factor - Gerber and who HE was getting this info
for. This had nothing to do with SR or TOS or any satanic organization.
Ole didn't know about this. Casey did. Brendan did. No one else did. But
this is last years, or before that, feces. Some love to wallow in it. I've
TRIED to flush it. They should be happy to be in their own org and leave
things at that.
TJ
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020422195019...@mb-mj.aol.com...
Sir Chaos
> You are squirming.
I can't help it, I'm laughing too much to do anything else.
> ASK JACQUELINE. Those are her words, in pm's to me.
Where do you get the impression that I give a shit? I do believe
I have been quite clear that I could not care less. Your contentions
are impossible, and were I Jacqueline, I'd be rather stick my head in
an industrial sized blender set to "Liquefy" than get involved in this
sort of asinine bickering over the obvious.
Anyone who would believe you here obviously has their head wrapped
firmly in their own rectum, and deserves the stench of whatever they
smell up there. There is simply no point in arguing, let alone
seeking verification of years-old chatlogs.
> PERIOD. Solved.
Alright then. So as I was saying...
It's about time you shut your yap, Ooey Gooey.
-Sir Chaos
--
"I love to smoke boulders of crack for a week straight and drink
canadian club, then pass out for a couple days and it feels so good."
- Nancy Warlick
Mr. Scratch
> So, Phyllis, let's get this straight: you and assorted others
> performed a "magickal working" in which you contacted Hussein
> telepathically.You and he, linked hand-to-hand, flew through the
> evening sky on a journey of wonder, sort of like Superman taking Lois
> Lane on a flight in the first Superman movie: is that right?
Remember the schmaltzy song that goes to this scene in Superman?
"Can you read my miiiiind? Can you picture the things I'm thinking
of?..."
Why, yes! "BOMB ISRAEL AND SET FIRE TO THE OIL!"
> L.
Mr. Scratch
People's Commissar
We tried it repeatedly.
Then HE, not us, annnounced that he had a dream where he envisioned the
Prophet coming to him telling him to do the exact things we tried to tell
him to do. That statement HE made, made the newspapers. Gilmore was all in
favor of this, btw - and we kept him informed. He knew we were doing this,
and then, after the fact, he saw the newspaper article. Then Saddam set
fire to the oil.
That is a magickal working, yes? It worked. Do yours work?
And this is one of the reasons that everyone in on this despised Chaos. He,
the believer in BIG black magic - can't do anything magickal at all.
Am I treacherous to people who 1. attack me with spew and then whine thru
the ceiling about how they "only wanted to talk to me?" They can't even
approach as human beings. 2. suckup later after their bully reprimands
them, and then brag they are working for me and, at the same time, hide
behind my petty coat so that Big Bad Bullies in their own org won't kick
them off their chat rooms? You bet I am. It is THEY who are treacherous
especially since they knew what the stakes were and had to have known
exactly what we all were up to. The Tim Project "Is Fascism Satanic" was
enough to start a holy war. The making of a chat room also - grounds for
them to come on there and start trouble with an otherwise peaceful place.
They wanted to have the ONLY chat room, where bullying atrocious behavior
was the norm. Fuck it. You bet I'm treacherous to such people. I despise
them. Can I get close to my enemies when they beg me to? You bet I can.
For awhile, anyway.
Look, heh - I own up to what I actually wrote. But all it takes is one
email. Just play with the headers and write anything you want on there,
claiming it's from someone else. That is why posts are admissable in
courts. But emails are not.
This dog knows enough about internet to invent a bot that works on text
commands. I.e., he knows a LOT. And outing magical workings does what?
Perhaps it reminds the Dire Duo in Charge that they DID get letters long
long before any of the things we magickally tried to affect actually
HAPPENED. Do they believe in magic? Probably not, because none of theirs
works.
As for anything else that might be claimed magickal - the ADL doing a
"thing" on a group of people is not magical. Yes, I got paid. Thank you
very much. No use mocking Gerber. HIS BOSS paid me - that's where Gerber
got the money.
Enough of this. This is TIRED.
The book is the Sledgehammer and the Ant. Were also in touch with Archer
due to his book. Wayne phoned Ramsey Clark after reading it to see if this
incredible information was true or not Clark confirmed it. --- WOW ---
But then, you never found out the facts here, you have no idea what was
really going on or what it was like in Iraq.
TJ
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.020422...@garcia.efn.org...
A declaration pretty much claiming that for 12 years of his life he never
believed any magick would work - the entire time he belonged to a Temple
dedicated to; MAGICK.
It never ends. Bwhahaha.
GUlLLOTlNA
....How many times do we have to sit through this utter tripe?
>I don't like their allies - and how, for instance, they are psychotic enough
to sexualize things that are not sexual at all. They CUM on my dead neices and
nephews and don't even realize it.>>
ROTFL! Do you have any idea how funny this statement is?! And what it says
about your mentality?
<< I'd scrape their chins on the gutter in person. Or worse. >>
I'd like to see you try, Phyllis. You talk awfully big, but that's all you do:
talk.
Yes, I'd really like to see you try.
>When it comes to my blood kin? You BET I honor the people that these pampered
bastards would demonize. They were HEROS.>>
Is she going to tell us about her Vampire-Llama kindred again? Oh, joy.
<<They have NO concept of a good life - bombed to shit by a piece of lame shit
for the god damned oil. BURN the god damned oil. Burn it ALL.>>
I knew I kept a box of Kleenex near the comp. for a reason.... oh, the weal and
woe of it all!
::snip crap about Peggy Nadramia, George Bush both Jr. & Sr, Poodles, Jeffro
etc.::
Who cares?
Sincerely:
L.
*********
"I'd scrape their chins on the gutter in person. Or worse. They deserve worse."
-Phyllis' mouth writes a check her ass cannot cash in message-id:
<uc9oi63...@corp.supernews.com>
GUlLLOTlNA
It has been many, many moons since the last time I saw "Superman"; it did seem
appropriate considering Phyl's statements.
Next we'll hear about how she floated down to Hussein's doorstep via a Mary
Poppin's umbrella (or perhaps, knowing her, something even crazier.) "HI
Sadaam! A SPOONFUL of SUGAR makes the OIL burn FASTER, in the most
DELIIIIGHT-FUL way! This is MOHAMMED speaking, just so you'll KNOW!"
My niece likes Disney -way- too much:
L.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GUlLLOTlNA
Uh-huh.
So, Phyllis, why did you not swing the outcome of the last Presidential
election the way you wanted it, with all this mental power you and your brood
possess?
I'd think the least you could do was get Bush out of Afghanistan, but no. Here
you sit, running your mouth on this NG.
Next we'll be seeing claims that the reason Bin Laden has so far evaded
capture is because Phyl & co. are beaming him help-rays. Or positive zonks.
::snip the usual:: Let's see some changes in the political scene due to your
intervention, Phyl. You can make a claim & set up a timetable, and we can count
it down, sort of like what's happening to your ex-pal egan with his death-curse
claim.
L.
*********
"I'd scrape their chins on the gutter in person. Or worse. They deserve worse."
-"Ripley's Believe It or Not!" with Phyllis, message-id:
<uc9oi63...@corp.supernews.com>
Mr. Scratch
> Well, let's see. We tried to influence Saddam when we knew he'd be asleep.
> We tried it repeatedly.
>
> That is a magickal working, yes? It worked. Do yours work?
Why yes. I dreamed we flew hand-in-hand over the trailer park at Lehigh
Acres, Florida. I shouted to you, "TANI! TYPE UP A BUNCH OF FROTHING
RANTS, AND POST THEM TO ALT.SATANISM." Then, when I realized you were
wearing your gold bikini from 30 years ago, I let go, and awoke screaming.
Nonetheless, I looked on alt.satanism, and what should I see! All bow
before the Mage Scratch, Magus of the Age!
[Snip of a bunch of disjointed that has nothing to do with the topic.]
> A declaration pretty much claiming that for 12 years of his life he never
> believed any magick would work - the entire time he belonged to a Temple
> dedicated to; MAGICK.
I'm not actually questioning whether or not magic(k) works -- I've seen
some odd things in my time which allows for the possibility that it does
(which isn't to say that YOU have the ability to work such magic, mind you
-- I'm just talking theoretically). What I'm laughing at here is the
direction you claim your magic has taken; that you would like to claim
responsibility to the mindless acts of destruction perpetrated by
murderous dictators.
First, I consider your whole relation of this "psychic" episode of yours
to be further evidence of your insanity. Nutcases typically see personal
significance in, and draw personal meaning from, events that have nothing
to do with them. For example, it would be very typical for a delusional
person to hear a car-horn honking down the street, and misinterpret this
as being the Horn of Gabriel, calling on the nutcase in question to paint
their windows black, plant a couple dozen crucifixes onto their lawn, and
await the Second Coming of Jesus in the bathtub. Similarly, you see
burning oil-fires on teevee, and think it means you've flown with Saddam
Hussein in your nighty while you sleep.
Secondly, you don't just claim credit for small events, oh no...you think
you pull the strings on a geopolitical scale. Really, I knew you were a
megalomaniac, but this exceeds even my own expectations.
Third, you actually take credit for actions that nearly the
entire planet look upon as acts of wanton destruction. Personally, I know
of no one else who is an ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein, and who
thinks his random launching of Scuds at Israeli suburbs and creating a
massive petroleum disaster are *good* things. But you take things an
extraordinary leap beyond this, by feeling so passionate about this
mindless murder and vandalism that you actually like to consider yourself
responsible!
As I said before, Tani, you are a sociopath. Not only do you adore the
most bloodthirsty villains of history as if they were living gods, but you
revel in the mindless destruction perpetrated by madmen. I guess I
shouldn't be surprised, given the good laugh your drone Wolf had during
the Sept. 11 attacks.
You must have some interesting visions in your head Tani. No doubt they
include Cecil B. DeMille-scale settings, of screaming crowds, jagged
architecture, endless eruptions of fire, and skies that rain the blood of
those you hate. If you painted them, I'm sure they would prove
fascinating to gawk at. But since you channel them into
religious/political screeds, we can only scratch our heads in wonder at
your amputated psyche.
Mr. Scratch
circe
>person to hear a car-horn honking down the street, and misinterpret this
>as being the Horn of Gabriel,
Well, some religious fanatics might just think of a car horn as the trumpet of
Gabriel, but what if a person thinks something and it always happens within
say, about one hour from when they thought of something happening? Not imagined
but real things happen? For instance, I can find things that are lost by just
following my instincts and thoughts. It feels like I'm walking blindly and just
following a thought. I have also noticed an unusual pattern to my thoughts and
actual happenings. Everytime I think of something it usually happens within the
hour. Strangly ,it was, or seemed stronger when I was very young. But it still
happens just not as often.
---------------
People's Commissar
read it. You HAVE to. You are compelled to.
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.02042...@garcia.efn.org...
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, People's Commissar wrote:
>
> > Well, let's see. We tried to influence Saddam when we knew he'd be
asleep.
> > We tried it repeatedly.
> >
> > That is a magickal working, yes? It worked. Do yours work?
>
Snip the feces.
> > A declaration pretty much claiming that for 12 years of his life he
never
> > believed any magick would work - the entire time he belonged to a Temple
> > dedicated to; MAGICK.
>
Snip more feces. Your A to Z belief in "magickal workings" go about as far
as you being abused by a woman and/or thinking someone is being date raped
and/or at fault for a conspiracy to persecute him. Uh huh.
> direction you claim your magic has taken; that you would like to claim
> responsibility to the mindless acts of destruction perpetrated by
> murderous dictators.
That was done long, long ago, when Bush SENIOR was the president, when
Saddam was nothing of a dictator (that means he was NOT a dictator at all),
not in any way, shape or form. Now you can stop masturbating and tuck the
pee pee away. Or is it perpetuatlly stuck on your forehead? Yeah, it is.
>
> First, I consider your whole relation of this "psychic" episode of yours
It may well have been a grand coincidence. You know, heh - I mentioned it
off the cuff to an enemy (always an enemy) that was talking magick. I
mentioned it OFF THE CUFF no less. And here you are obsessing over it.
Figures. You now have permissions to suck each others dicks. SMILE!
Snip more of your feces. You forget the point: we did this for weeks.
BEFORE anything happened. Then what happened? S claimed he had a dream - a
supernatural occurrence - and in the dream the image told him EXACTLY, word
for word, what we had been trying to "send" him.
I'm the one saying it might be coincidence. You see, I don't personally
give a shit if it was or not. I grew up with this stuff. It's just very ho
hum. You, on the other hand, are lobomozing yourself again and spewing
feces at me. You really hate yourself - and you are a supreme masochist,
imo. You are one of these wannabe law enforcement types - you know, the
uniform thing (yeah, I heard rumors - wanna talk about "well known" things
in the top TOS, eh? - YOU, bwhaha) - the BIG - fill in the blacnks. You
are sick, Hunt. Really sick.
> Secondly, you don't just claim credit for small events,
I have never tried workings that were small, as a matter of fact. I do
practical things to get practical things. I did not claim credit. I said
I'd try to DO it. Qutie a few people knew in writing exactly what we were
up to and I asked them to do it TOO. I did try to DO it. Then - well,
heh - Something Happened. Go take it up with Saddam and ask him about his
dream. That dream made the news. HE had the supernatural dream. You are
obviously a failure at workings - as with everything else. OH, you are
quire good at ego projecting, clinging like a spoiled brat and slinging
shit. Great accomplishments.
>
> Third, you actually take credit for actions that nearly the
> entire planet look upon as acts of wanton destruction.
You are here referring to the war criminal Bush Sr's bombing of a peaceful
country that had wonderful things going on. I didn't take credit. You are
GIVING me credit. I said it MIGHT be a coincidence. More than half the
world was in agreement with me at the time. Right - NOT the Western world.
The OTHERS.
Personally, I know
> of no one else who is an ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein,
You have a cognitive disorder disenabling you from reading tenses in
sentences? Yes, you do. I DID support all he was doing, especially the
excavations, the celebrations, the coins, and the democracy and the economy
there. DID. You see, it's an issue of the remote past, when Bush SENIOR
was president. What, were you a little boy back then?
You are just another person who can't read - with you it's tense.
> As I said before,
You are a loser. You are obsessed. You can't read. You twist words - to
no avail.
Do you always lay traps for yourself like that? Nah, you just like being a
pest. Hey, I'm not your MOMMY - go pester someone else.
OH, FTR, what do I think about Saddam NOW? The Arabs NOW? Wanna know? We
should go in there and TAKE the fucking oil. Period. Now did you really
want to know what I thought about this NOW?
You see Hunt: last year is last year. Last decade is last decade. Things
change. GOT THAT? Oh, wait. I'm assuming that you "get" anything.
Have a wonderful day wallowing in your own shit-slinging - and definitely
stagnate in the past, please do that.
TJ
People's Commissar
he's another one who can't read - he misses tenses. This man dwells in the
past more than anyone I ever met in my life. He forgets that the world
liked Hitler too at first - sure they did. But then: things changed. BIG
changes. And the WORLD turned against him. Wait, do you know that those
colonized people in 3rd world countries LOVED IT when the Nazis bombed
England? Yeah, they surely did.
Here's one for ya - I'll predict that he and his plane-Jane hag vampire
will READ MY POSTS. And cling to them like breathless drowning losers.
You see, I believe Aquino: she's a vampire. And I believe Walter: he is
utterly despicable. That's the A to Z of my beliefs about the duo.
I DO, however remember saying "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!" I DO remember Wayne's
Moslem friend leaving town because he was terrified and thought this was
some kind of "too weird shit" and dangerous to be involved in. I do
remember the look on Wayne's face - it was definitely a Kodak thing. Yeah,
we got him to help - since he spoke the language, LMAO. Hell, why NOT do
something like that with what "losers" consider Big Orangutan on High
Branch? Why not? Saddam is a man, nothing more. Nothing less. He used to
be wonderful, he did wonderful things. Want to read "Sledge Hammer and the
Ant" by Jeffrey Archer? Give me an addy to mail it to. $10 cover cost of
xeroxes and postage (it's a book - most definitely out of print now). Find
about the former Jewel of Islam - the Hope of a modern society there that
would have spread. Find about about the DECLARED war criminals Bush Sr. and
Quayle. Find out what Ramsey Clark knew - and we called him and confirmed
it. Find out WHAT HAPPENED that you'll NEVER find out any where else.
Hell, see if the book is still in print and BUY it. It's 100% worth it.
Wayne has the beautiful coins with Nebuchadnezzar on them. From Iraq.
That's all gone now. ALL gone.
I hate what this IMPERIALIST country has done. I hate imperialism. I don't
care if I live here. That's irrelevant too.
"circe" <msci...@aol.comments> wrote in message
news:20020425002118...@mb-fm.aol.com...
> > For example, it would be very typical for a delusional
> >person to hear a car-horn honking down the street, and misinterpret this
> >as being the Horn of Gabriel,
Like it would be typical for a delusional person to believe there a Super
Seekrit Conspiracy of Silence in the Temple of Set when it comes to date
raping poor initiates. It would be delusional for a vampire to think 8
thousand emails would get her a pat on the back, or even one word of praise
from The Hierarchy.
YAWN. Snip your decent reply to what amounted to another of Craig's lame
turds. He needs to learn how to flush.
>
TJ
Mr. Scratch
sociopath who worships mass-murderers -- a claim I can back up. In
response you spend half your time trying to chuck accusations at me that
are either untrue, or that I don't care about.
Not to worry your withered head though; I snipped 'em. No need to thank
me, it was nothing. Let's stick to the topic at hand: your sociopathic
behavior.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, People's Commissar wrote:
> > direction you claim your magic has taken; that you would like to claim
> > responsibility to the mindless acts of destruction perpetrated by
> > murderous dictators.
>
> That was done long, long ago, when Bush SENIOR was the president, when
> Saddam was nothing of a dictator (that means he was NOT a dictator at
> all), not in any way, shape or form.
Do you even know anything about Saddam Hussein, except that his trend for
butchery makes your panties wet?
Saddam Hussein was never anything but a dictator. Within a few days of
his rise to the Iraqi presidency, he called the his Baath Party Assembly
together, and with TV cameras broadcasting, began issuing the names of
present party members to be executed. Many of them were friends and
supporters of Saddam, and many pled for their lives, but none of them
lived to see the next day. That is how your lovely Saddam started his
"presidency," and that is how it continues to this day.
In the years leading up to the Gulf War, Saddam repeatedly used mustard
gas and nerve agents on civilian Iraqi Kurds, killing tens of thousands
(this isn't baseless propaganda, either: images of gassed Kurds were being
broadcast for the world to see, even though we were supporters of Hussein
at the time). Since 1974, about 400,000 Kurds have been killed, about 10%
of the Kurdish population.
Now you try to deny that your admiration for this butcher by howling that
when you said "SADDAM WAS A GOOD MAN" you were talking in the past tense,
but it doesn't make any difference. He was a mass-murderer then as well,
but that didn't stop you from admiring him and wanting to lend him a
hand.
> > Third, you actually take credit for actions that nearly the
> > entire planet look upon as acts of wanton destruction.
>
> You are here referring to the war criminal Bush Sr's bombing of a
> peaceful country that had wonderful things going on.
No. I was clearly referring to Hussein's barbarously destructive actions.
And besides, peaceful? Er...what about the slaughter of the Kurds and the
Shiite minority? What about Saddam's idiotic 8-year war against Iran, one
that killed about 350,000 on each side (but didn't gain anything for
Iraq)? How about the freakin' invasion of Kuwait?
> > Personally, I know
> > of no one else who is an ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein,
>
> You have a cognitive disorder disenabling you from reading tenses in
> sentences? Yes, you do. I DID support all he was doing, especially
> the excavations, the celebrations, the coins, and the democracy and
> the economy there. DID.
OooOOooh! Saddam dug up some old rocks! He threw a party! He made some
pretty COINS! That ought to make his mass-murdering a bit more palatable!
Hey, Hitler was famous for being nice to old ladies, children and dogs.
Does that make him okay?
I'll say it again, Tani, you love the atrocity-commiting villains of
history. You fawn over them and admire them, because you want to be like
them.
"Nope you got something wrong. Lenin, Stalin, how about CUTE FELIX
DZERZHINSKY, GORGEOUS NIKOLAI YEZHOV, BERIA, and all the other HEROS of
the Working Peoples Soviets and their NKVD (SAME AS FBI)- they murdered
KULAK BASTARD PLANTATION OWNERS, PRIESTS AND THEIR ILK and other SHIT."
(Tani Jantsang, message-ID <8281br$q07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>)
Take a look at that. Look at the way you squeal like a giddy schoolgirl
at the thought of three of the 20th century's greatest murderers,
Dzerzhinsky, Yezhov and Beria. You aren't interested in the Soviet
system's philosophers or great orators, such as Kaminev, Zinoviev, Trotsky
and Bukharin, oh no. In fact, all these people were tortured and executed
by your darling Stalin and the henchmen you drool over above. Hell, your
heroes here were primarily responsible for killing just about every "Old
Bolshevik" that fought with Lenin in 1917. No, you have no interest in
the brains that shaped the Soviet movement. You adore the bureaucratic
killers -- the guys who scribbled on a piece of paper, and would thus
starve millions of Ukrainians to death, or have people tortured and shot
in the Lubyanka prison for having said the wrong thing to the wrong
person, or have a factory manager's family raped and worked to their doom
in the gulag because he didn't cheer loud enough when the Glorious
Chairman made his speech.
These guys that get you all hot-n-bothered did virtually nothing else but
oil the Soviet state's killing machines, and you love 'em for it. You
said it yourself, "they murdered KULAK BASTARD PLANTATION OWNERS, PRIESTS
AND THEIR ILK and other SHIT." (For those who don't know, a "Kulak" was
the Soviet term for a supposedly "wealthy" peasant, though it was usually
just some farmer who had something the Soviet state wanted -- a harvest,
horses, oxen, plows, a house, you name it. Generally the Soviet "Food
Army" would show up at the farmer's door, denounce the farmer and his
family as "Kulaks," kill them, and take what they desired.)
Hell, just from the past two days we've seen these murder-filled tirades
from you:
"I'd seek to exterminate those that harmed me and mine. I glory at the
death and destruction of those that have harmed mine, my kin, etc. Very
concerete. Very simple. Very primitive too. Nothing is there to be
analyzed. It's too concrete to analyze. There is nothing psychological
about it. It's pure animal. It's PURE too. By pure I mean that it is a
pure emotion, a real emotion - not cluttered up with extraneous other
stuff."
"Wanna know what I'd DO to such people if given one chance? Let's see,
rip out their intestines? Torch their heads? Murder their families in
front of them? Do unto others. Indeed." (Tani Jantsang)
You are brain-sick, Tani. But then I think you know that.
In another post you write: "For people who have unconscious minds, and
get all bogged down in that 'shadow self' mentality - it's not going to be
easy to understand people who don't have that at all because they are ALL
THERE, all the time; like a cat or dog is - nothing demeaning meant here."
I had to laugh at this -- if ever there was a statement demonstrating that
someone was helplessly immersed in their own psychological "shadow" it is
this. You are a pristine case of shadow-envelopment, even down to denying
that you have a shadow (or even a subconscious!) to begin with.
Murderous ranting against "enemies" for perceived faults identical to your
own -- amazing!
> TJ
Mr. Scratch
Lupo LeBoucher
Mr. Scratch <scr...@efn.org> wrote:
>
>"Nope you got something wrong. Lenin, Stalin, how about CUTE FELIX
>DZERZHINSKY, GORGEOUS NIKOLAI YEZHOV, BERIA, and all the other HEROS of
>the Working Peoples Soviets and their NKVD (SAME AS FBI)- they murdered
>KULAK BASTARD PLANTATION OWNERS, PRIESTS AND THEIR ILK and other SHIT."
>(Tani Jantsang, message-ID <8281br$q07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>)
>
>Take a look at that. Look at the way you squeal like a giddy schoolgirl
>at the thought of three of the 20th century's greatest murderers,
>Dzerzhinsky, Yezhov and Beria. You aren't interested in the Soviet
>system's philosophers or great orators, such as Kaminev, Zinoviev, Trotsky
>and Bukharin, oh no. In fact, all these people were tortured and executed
>by your darling Stalin and the henchmen you drool over above. Hell, your
>heroes here were primarily responsible for killing just about every "Old
>Bolshevik" that fought with Lenin in 1917. No, you have no interest in
>the brains that shaped the Soviet movement. You adore the bureaucratic
>killers -- the guys who scribbled on a piece of paper, and would thus
>starve millions of Ukrainians to death, or have people tortured and shot
>in the Lubyanka prison for having said the wrong thing to the wrong
>person, or have a factory manager's family raped and worked to their doom
>in the gulag because he didn't cheer loud enough when the Glorious
>Chairman made his speech.
>
>These guys that get you all hot-n-bothered did virtually nothing else but
>oil the Soviet state's killing machines, and you love 'em for it.
Didn't Rantsang previously post some one-handed giddy schoolgirl gurgling
about getting damp from dancing a waltz with some old Nazi war criminal or
other?
Guess she is politically an agnostic, as long as the slaughterer in
question is good at what he does. To think, she actually reproduced.
-Lupo
"As for Gary Bauer -- good heavens, what a walking embryo! It's no wonder
he has so fanatical a preoccupation with the unborn." -Camile Paglia
<i...@fnord.io.com>
Sir Chaos
> Well, let's see. We tried to influence Saddam when we knew he'd be asleep.
> We tried it repeatedly.
And then, *Poof* there she was: Standing before Saddam in his
underwear, astrally ranting away. I'm surprised he survived the
ordeal - fortunately for him he has a strong heart.
> Enough of this. This is TIRED.
Well, then...
It's about time you shut your yap, Worm Queen.
And I don't mean just posting the same bullshit on a different
thread.
-Sir Chaos
--
"It's those damn Church of Satan Cultic Mind Control Rays -- you know,
the ones that make you hop up and down and behave inappropriately all
the time. Just a few days longer, and we'll have them living in 1,200
s.f. shacks in their landlord's back yard and bragging about their
crack binges."
- Kevin Filan
People's Commissar
hearsay about it.
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.02042...@garcia.efn.org...
> TaniKook, why the squealing?
Do you always hear squealing when there isn't any? You are the only one on
here squealing, Hunt. That's a fact. You squealed all over this ng for 2
months or more - Aquino this, Aquino that, and you tolerated the squealing
of your buddies.
> All I said was that you are a psychotic
You are the one that spent your life, and spends your life, living in a
fantasy world, cringing all the while in hesitation at everything you think
or do. That is the definition of psychosis. You are a bald faced liar who
claims, after the fact, that you "cringed" for 12 years while living in a
psychotic delusion. I spend my days on the beach and having fun.
> sociopath who worships mass-murderers -- a claim I can back up.
Ego projecting again, Hunt - and worse - you can't THINK without sexualizing
something. God, you must be a bore. I worship nothing - except perhaps the
beach - joke. You will never understand the non-worshiping mind - or the
person who likes something for pure (not polluted or cluttered) and simple
reasons: THEY DID GOOD FOR ME AND/OR MINE - and FUCK everyone else? Yeah,
that's right! Ugh, how fucking selfish-Satanic of me, ugh! You'll never
understand that because you have wasted your life making idols out of mere
men - and then demonizing them when they smacked you in the face for all
your nobel (cough) efforts. I suggest they saw thru you as a delusional
little suckwad - hence ya never got that craved pat on the back. That's a
fact I don't have to prove. You proved it yourself. You also believe
hearsay of your choice - the type that fits into your pornographic
fantasies.
In
> response you spend half your time trying to chuck accusations at me that
> are either untrue, or that I don't care about.
My accusations against you are true - they are from your own pen. None you
make against me are from my own pen at all. But that doesn't fit well with
your fantasy. You write pornography and ego project your pornographic
fantasies onto me. Yuch!
>
> Not to worry your withered head though; I snipped 'em. No need to thank
> me, it was nothing. Let's stick to the topic at hand: your sociopathic
> behavior.
You wouldn't know a sociopath if you were living with one. Ha haaa.
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, People's Commissar wrote:
>
> > > direction you claim your magic has taken; that you would like to claim
> > > responsibility to the mindless acts of destruction perpetrated by
> > > murderous dictators.
> >
> > That was done long, long ago, when Bush SENIOR was the president, when
> > Saddam was nothing of a dictator (that means he was NOT a dictator at
> > all), not in any way, shape or form.
>
> Do you even know anything about Saddam Hussein, except that his trend for
> butchery makes your panties wet?
That has to be the SICKEST shit you ever spewed on here. You are ego
projecting again. I never sexualize things. You do nothing BUT sexualize
things. Ergo, you can't possibly fathom a person who never does it. You
are a masochist, bonafide totally into that. Stop ego projecting that shit.
I don't even know HOW to do that. My likes and dislikes are very simple and
not complicated or cluttered up with the GARBAGE that's in YOUR head - and
only in YOUR head. Yes, I know quite a bit about Saddam back then, before
he changed into a monster. And he changed, alright. He was a tolerant and
liberal ruler with a booming economic system, good cost of living, secular,
good place to live. I know that from DIRECT evidence - something you lack.
You are sick. Your sexualized statements, this pornograph filth you spew at
me, makes me think what others said about you, about you in the past was
true: you are a closed serial killer, a psychopath that sexualizes
everything that's NOT sexual at all. You are sick, just for that you are
sick. You are the type of loser that wants to put on a uniform to cum -
while "enforcing laws" - I'd bet money on that one. You want power over
people, but in reality, you want to be dominated: Mrs. Webb proves this -
and you SAID IT yourself by your accusations. You are the only one with wet
panties, Hunt. God DAMN you are sick as shit. Everyone said this about
you. You are one sick psycho with a real sexualization problem. You write
nothing but pornography. And you are aiming it at me? Hmm. Very strange!
>
Snip imperialist propaganda.
> In the years leading up to the Gulf War, Saddam repeatedly used mustard
> gas and nerve agents on civilian Iraqi Kurds, killing tens of thousands
No, he did not. The Soviets even TOLD people that the Iranians did that to
the Kurds and the poison was GOTTEN FROM the Soviets. Imperialist
propaganda be damned.
> Now you try to deny that your admiration for this butcher by howling that
> when you said "SADDAM WAS A GOOD MAN" you were talking in the past tense,
> but it doesn't make any difference. He was a mass-murderer then as well,
> but that didn't stop you from admiring him and wanting to lend him a
> hand.
I affrirm that based on PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE of life there at that time. It
was a wonderful place to be in, to live in. You lie - imperialist
propaganda lies.
>
How about the freakin' invasion of Kuwait?
Kuwait is Iraq. There is no such country as Kuwait. Cousins of each other
live across the phony borders. The British are the ones who invented those
phony borders. Period. There is no such place as Kuwait. Ergo, he did not
invade anything. Bush bombed him for NO reason. OH, for oil profits.
Yes, for that.
>
> > > Personally, I know
> > > of no one else who is an ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein,
You don't know anyone Iraqi that used to live there. You have no relatives
that used to live there. I do. So "personally, you know" means nothing to
me, white bread. Nothing you think means anything to me. You are a pent up
sexualizing pornographer with delusions refuted thus far by TWO org leaders.
You also had delusions about me and Aquino not so long ago. Sick delusions.
> >
> > You have a cognitive disorder disenabling you from reading tenses in
> > sentences? Yes, you do. I DID support all he was doing, especially
> > the excavations, the celebrations, the coins, and the democracy and
> > the economy there. DID.
>
> Does that make him okay?
You are the one who reads porno magazines featuring Nazis beating up women,
you sick as shit piece of feces. I think sHitler sucks. Many people
disagree by the way, many Germans disagree, and objectively he surely did
good things for the German people at first. I don't care how "nice nice"
he did for Germany and the poor German people. He sucks. He murdered my
relatives. Period. That is my bottom line, you blithering fool.
>
> I'll say it again, Tani, you love the atrocity-commiting villains of
> history. You fawn over them and admire them, because you want to be like
> them.
You are ego projecting again. I view the people you are demonizing as KIND
people. I am a KIND person, but you'd never know that, nor would people I
consider enemies. NO way. Don't believe me, you blithering fool - ask
people you know that also know me. HA! If you can, you treacherous, lying,
slandering piece of shit. They didn't start out doing all that tragic shit.
I hate what events transpired that CAUSED them to do that tragic shit. But
of course, you, the pornographer, sexualizer, don't quite grasp that.
That's what YOU are missing. Yezhov was no different in his theses than J.
Edgar Hoover - tho Hoover didn't have anyone STOPPING him from doing the
things he felt he HAD to do, to protect ths USA. I have very good reasons
to think this. You ONLY have propaganda which is nothing but big time
gossip and spins. Hearsay by people who weren't even THERE.
>
> "Nope you got something wrong. Lenin, Stalin, how about CUTE FELIX
> DZERZHINSKY, GORGEOUS NIKOLAI YEZHOV, BERIA, and all the other HEROS of
Brendan wrote the ARTICLE on that, fyi - it's on the website. He was
funning around. Lenin, Stalin and Feliks are not cute, imo - I never even
looked at them in that way - you sick piece of turd; Yezhov kinda looks like
me. There YOU go sexualizing something again. Do you ever think even ONE
non-pornographic thought? Guess not. Yes, they are HEROS of the working
people - and Feliks was the hero of orphans. I don't care what you think of
them. You think they were brutal. I think they were not. Stalin was not,
not at first. Feliks never was cruel, not ever. Yezhov was not fit for the
job but being liberal was NOT the thing to be in 1937. He was also poisoned
and delusional due to that poisoning. Beria was more like a gangster, but
loyal in his own way. Amy Knight agrees - she IS an expert on Beria. Go
argue with her. He'd have been a better leader than Krushchev the traitor.
> the Working Peoples Soviets and their NKVD (SAME AS FBI)- they murdered
> KULAK BASTARD PLANTATION OWNERS, PRIESTS AND THEIR ILK and other SHIT."
I didn't write that. Is that all you have, you pathetic sex freak? You'd
do better to find things I DID write, if you want to quote me. Otherwise,
you make a further idiot of yourself.
You are a masochist with the sexualization fantasies of a masochist. Stop
ego projecting your psychotic shit on me. My like or dislike of persons is
as I said: he who does good for me and mine, my family, etc. - is GOOD.
Period. Is that too pure for you? Too simple. You are gonadocephalic.
As such, shut up, dickhead, no one asked for your opinions.
> (Tani Jantsang, message-ID <8281br$q07$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>)
>
> Take a look at that. Look at the way you squeal like a giddy schoolgirl
> at the thought of three of the 20th century's greatest murderers,
> Dzerzhinsky, Yezhov and Beria. You aren't interested in the Soviet
> system's philosophers or great orators, such as Kaminev, Zinoviev, Trotsky
> and Bukharin, oh no. In fact, all these people were tortured and executed
> by your darling Stalin and the henchmen you drool over above. Hell, your
> heroes here were primarily responsible for killing just about every "Old
> Bolshevik" that fought with Lenin in 1917.
It figures you'd love the bankster (not a typo) traitors. That is not true,
and J. Arch Getty agrees with me on this. Trotsky was a fascist pig.
Bukharin was pro NEP. But now that you mention this - READ AND LEARN, you
brainwashed sexualizing psychotic. You are the only person on here
sexualizing things that are 100% NON-sexual. You are, SICK. You are
gonadocephalic.
Read and learn - this was written by EYE WITNESSES - from Britain. NOT
hearsay. Fyi, the archival information backs MY side. Not yours.
The Moscow Trial was Fair
1
By D. N. PRITT, K.C., M.P.
I STUDIED the legal procedure in criminal cases in Soviet Russia somewhat
carefully in 1932, and concluded (as published at the time in "Twelve
Studies in Soviet Russia") that the procedure gave the ordinal accused a
very fair trial. Having learnt from my legal friends in Moscow on my return
this summer that the principal changes realised or shortly impending were
all in the direction of giving greater independence to the Bar and the
judges and greater facilities to the accused, I was particularly interested
to be able to attend the trial of Zinoviev and Kamenev and others which took
place on August 1936.
Here was, born the point of view of a lawyer, a politician, or an ordinary
citizen, a very good test of the system.
The charge was a serious one. A group of men, almost all having earned high
merit for their services at various stages of the anxious and crowded
history of Soviet Russia, still not two decades old, almost all having been
under some measure of suspicion for counter-revolutionary or deviationist
activities, and most of them having had such activities condoned in the past
on assurances of the loyalty in the future, were now charged with long,
cold-blooded, deliberate conspiracy to bring about the assassination of
Kirov (who was actually murdered in December, 1934), of Stalin, of
Voroshilov and other prominent leaders.
Their purpose, it seemed, was merely to seize power for themselves, without
any pretence that they had any substantial following in the country and
without any real policy or philosophy to replace the existing Soviet
Socialism. [They wanted capitalism. - RC ed.]
With all its difficulties and shortcomings, with all the opposition,
military or commercial, of the outside world, Soviet Socialism has raised a
terribly backward Asiatic State in some 19 years to a State of world
importance, of great industrial strength, and above all of a standard of
living which, starting somewhere about the level of the more depressed
peoples of India, has already overtaken that of many races of Eastern Europe
and will soon claim comparison with that of the most favoured of Western
industrial people.
And the charge against the men was not merely made. It was admitted,
admitted by men the majority of whom were shown by their records to be
possessed of physical and moral courage well adapted to protect them from
confessing under pressure. And at no stage was any suggestion made by any of
them that any sort of improper treatment had been used to persuade them to
confess.
The first thing that struck me, as an English lawyer, was the almost
free-and-easy dameanour of the prisoners. They all looked well; they all got
up and spoke, even at length, whenever they wanted to do so (for the matter
of that, they strolled out, with a guard, when they wanted to).
The one or two witnesses who were called by the prosecution were
cross-examined by the prisoners who were affected by their evidence, with
the same freedom as would have been the case in England.
The prisoners voluntarily renounced counsel; they could have had counsel
without fee had they wished, but they preferred to dispense with them. And
having regard to their pleas of guilty and to their own ability to speak,
amounting in most cases to real eloquence, they probably did not suffer by
their decision, able as some of my Moscow colleagues are.
The most striking novelty, perhaps, to an English lawyer, was the easy way
in which first one and then another prisoner would intervene in the course
of the examination of one of their co-defendants, without any objection from
the Court or from the prosecutor, so that one got the impression of a quick
and vivid debate between four people, the prosecutor and three prisoners,
all talking together, if not actually at the same moment -- a method which,
whilst impossible with a jury, is certainly conducive to clearing up
disputes of fact with some rapidity
Far more important, however, if less striking, were the final speeches.
In accordance with Soviet law, the prisoners had the last word -- 15
speeches after the last chance of the prosecution to say anything.
The Public prosecutor, Vishinsky, spoke first. He spoke for four or five
hours. He looked like a very intelligent and rather mild-mannered English
business man.
He spoke with vigour and clarity. He seldom raised his voice. He never
ranted, or shouted, or thumped the table. He rarely looked at the public or
played for effect.
He said strong things; he called the defendants bandits, and mad dogs, and
suggested that they ought to be exterminated. Even in as grave a case as
this, some English Attorney-Generals might not have spoken so strongly; but
in many cases less grave many English prosecuting counsel have used much
harsher words.
He was not interrupted by the Court or by any of the accused. His speech was
clapped by the public, and no attempt was made to prevent the applause.
That seems odd to the English mind, but where there is no jury it cannot do
much harm, and it was noticeable throughout that the Court's efforts, by the
use of a little bell, to repress the laughter that was caused either by the
prisoners' sallies or by any other incident were not immediately successful.
But now came the final test. The 15 guilty men, who had sought to overthrow
the whole Soviet State, now had their rights to speak; and they spoke.
Some at great length, some shortly, some argumentatively, others with some
measures of pleading; most with eloquence, some with emotion; some
consciously addressing the public in the crowded hall, some turning to the
court.
But they all said what they had to say.
They met with no interruption from the prosecutor, with no more than a rare
short word or two from the court; and the public itself sat quiet,
manifesting none of the hatred it must have felt.
They spoke without any embarrassment or hindrance.
The executive authorities of U.S.S.R. may have taken, by the successful
prosecution of this case, a very big step towards eradicating
counter-revolutionary activities.
But it is equally clear that the judicature and the prosecuting attorney of
U.S.S.R. have taken at least as great a step towards establishing their
reputation among the legal systems of the modern world.
2
By PAT SLOAN
recently returned after 5 years in the U.S.S.R.
Whenever there has been a big trial in the U.S.S.R., there has been a
flutter in the world Press. This is natural, for big trials in any country
are News, and when the trial has the additional feature of being "Bolshevik"
into the bargain, its possibilities of making the trial a pretext for any
and every kind of anti-Soviet slander, credible or incredible.
And the trial which has just concluded is no exception. It is particularly
sensational this time: (a) because a number of well-known ex-members of the
Bolshevik Party were the chief accused; (b) because, in connection with the
new Draft Constitution, the capitalist press of all countries has been
longing to get additional copy for the purpose of minimising the
significance of this important document; and (c) because the fascist
offensive [Nazis, Hitler. - RC ed.] against Peace and Democracy is at a
critical stage to-day.
As in all previous big Soviet trials, this one has been declared a
"frame-up." But just as Mr. Alan Monkhouse's outburst in court, during the
famous Metro-Vickers trial, that the trial was a "frame-up," was never
supported by one iota of evidence; so to-day, the allegation of "frame-up"
remains unsupported in the slightest degree.
The most serious statements which have appeared in the Press, and the most
misleading, are: (a) that Stalin now stands alone, having "murdered" all the
"Bolshevik Old Guard"; (b) that the trial was a "frame-up" because the
accused all confessed their guilt; and (c) that this trial detracts from the
significance of the new Draft Constitution.
If we just examine the present leadership in the Bolshevik Party, and the
positions held by the leading personalities, we find that practically all
are Bolsheviks of over thirty years standing. For nearly twenty years,
therefore, they worked with Lenin. Just consider these:
Kalinin, President of the U.S.S.R. since 1922, was originally a metal
worker. He joined the Party in 1898 (even before it bore the name of
"Bolshevik"), and has been a member of the Central Committee of the Party
since 1919. Molotov, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, has
been a member of the Party since 1906, was a member of the Russian Bureau of
the Central Committee in 1919, and Secretary of the Communist Party of the
Soviet Union for the years following 1920, and one of Lenin's closest
collaborators. Ordjonikidze, Commissar for Heavy Industry, has been a member
of the Party since 1903, was elected to the Central Committee in 1912, and
played an active part in the leadership of the Revolution in the Caucasus.
Voroshilov, Commissar of Defence, was a worker who joined the Party in 1903,
played an outstanding part in the Civil War, and was then elected to the
Central Committee of the Party. Kaganovitch was a leather-goods worker, who
joined the Party in 1911.
So that the youngest of these leaders had worked under Lenin's leadership
for at least ten years, and most of them for twenty years, and have now been
thirty years in the Party. So it is fair to say that Stalin remains alone,
and the "old guard" has been killed off? Ah, but it may be argued that only
those now remain in power who were in minor positions when Lenin was alive.
So let us look at two individuals who, up to 1917, worked in close contact
with Lenin all the time. People who had leading positions. Let us examine
the records of these persons. In 1917, when the Party was preparing the
armed uprising, the two intellectuals, Kamenev and Zinoviev, opposed this
uprising in a meeting of the Central Committee. When defeated, they carried
their opposition into the public Press---and gave away the Bolsheviks' plans
to the government. At that time Lenin wrote: "I should consider it
disgraceful on my part if, on account of my former close relations with
these former comrades, I were not to condemn them. I declare outright that I
do not consider either of them comrades any longer and that I will fight
with all my might, both in the Central Committee and at the Congress, to
secure the expulsion of both of them from the Party. . Let Messrs. Zinoviev
and Kamenev found their own party from the dozens of disoriented people. .
The workers will not join such a party ."
So we find that two intellectuals, who were having "former close relations"
with Lenin before October, 1917, and who are now hailed from "Daily Mail" to
"Daily Herald" as the "Bolshevik Old Guard," were condemned by Lenin for
their treachery at one of the most serious moments of the Revolution, and he
tried to get them expelled from the Party. On the other hand, the Bolsheviks
who are working in closest collaboration with Stalin to-day are working men,
who have been in the Party for from 20 to 30 years, and who rose to power as
a result of their activities in the Civil War, after Zinoviev and Kamenev
had already discredited themselves.
And as for Trotsky, there is no claim that this man was with Lenin for years
before the Revolution. Actually, he called Lenin the "leader of the
reactionary wing of the Party" in 1903, and in 1917 he said that the
"Bolsheviks had de-Bolshevised themselves" and that "Bolshevik sectarianism"
was an "obstacle to unity." And to-day, in a recent interview with the "News
Chronicle," he refers to the "new Conservatism" of the Soviet leadership---a
direct repetition of his attack on Lenin as far back as 1903.
But even when inside the Party, between July, 1917---when it was clear that
only the Bolsheviks could lead the masses to success---until his expulsion,
Trotsky opposed Lenin, who was supported throughout by Stalin, on one issue
after another. And in the leadership of the Red Army, for which Trotsky
became famous, there were continual conflicts with the Party leadership and
with Lenin and Stalin. But while Trotsky won fame by his speeches, Stalin
was sent to one critical front after another as the representative of the
Central Committee, and was determining policy by short and concise telegrams
to Lenin.
And when Lenin died, Trotsky buried all his old quarrels with Lenin. No
longer did he refer to his earlier accusations that the Bolsheviks had been
"bureaucratic" and "reactionary" under Lenin, but introduced his attacks now
on the "Stalinist bureaucracy," accusing Stalin of breaking with the policy
of Lenin.
It is when the facts are seen in this light that the real position of
Trotsky, Zinoviev, and Kamenev, to mention only three of them, can be
understood. They are all three discredited ex-leaders, who have lost the
confidence of the masses, and therefore could never be elected back to the
leading positions in the Party or the State. They are the Ramsay MacDonalds
and the Snowdens and the Thomases of the Russian working-class movement.
But the Ramsay MacDonalds and the Snowdens and the Thomases were discredited
under capitalism. Therefore, when they lost their leadership of the Labour
Movement, when the workers threw them out, they could still find means of
advertising their personalities---in politics or capitalist business
according to choice---within the framework of capitalism.
But in the U.S.S.R., once the workers have power, a discredited "leader" has
no capitalist class to give him a job or finance him for a political career
against the workers. In the U.S.S.R. he must submit to work under the
leadership of those very leaders who have replaced him. And a worker, as a
rule, recognising the need for class discipline above all else, can
recognise his mistakes and work in a minor position when defeated on an
issue. But the revolutionary intellectuals, time and again in moments of
crisis, have shown their tendency to put personal prestige before everything
else, and to fight to the bitter end against political opponents, even if
this sacrifices the very principles that they were verbally accepting.
Kamenev and Zinoviev had to accept Stalin's leadership---but it rankled.
Their "independence" demanded that they should not submit to this domination
by an elected leader with whom they did not agree. Therefore, from open
opposition they started to fight in secret. And thus they came in contact
with others fighting in secret---the fascist agents in the U.S.S.R.
Trotsky was expelled from the country. Since his expulsion he has never
ceased to attack the "Stalinist bureaucracy." But if a bureaucracy rules the
U.S.S.R.---then remove the bureaucracy, and Trotsky can return as a hero! It
is therefore consistent with Trotsky's theory that the whole people of the
U.S.S.R. are Trotsky was expelled from the country. Since his expulsion he
has never ceased to attack the "Stalinist bureaucracy." But if a bureaucracy
rules the U.S.S.R.---then remove the bureaucracy, and Trotsky can return as
a hero! It is therefore consistent with Trotsky's theory that the whole
people of the U.S.S.R. are dominated, against their will, by a small
"bureaucracy," that only the "bureaucracy" need be removed, for him to be
welcomed back as a liberator. Is it unreasonable to assume that Trotsky,
putting this theory into practice, was working with all and sundry to put an
end to the few individuals composing his "bureaucracy," as a way back to
power?
But the allegation is then raised---that Stalin is a personal Dictator,
without the support of the masses, and that this trial itself would bring
mass struggles. Actually, no mass struggles have materialised except in the
German fascist press, copiously requoted by the "Daily Herald" in the past
few days. And two "aged mortals," students of the working-class movement for
sixty years, have been studying the working of the U.S.S.R., and they too
have asked the question: "Is Stalin a Dictator?" Here is the reply of Sidney
and Beatrice Webb in "Soviet Communism":---
First let it be noted that, unlike Mussolini, Hitler and other modern
dictators, Stalin is not invested by law with any authority over his fellow
citizens, and not even over the members of the Party to which he belongs. He
has not even the extensive power which the Congress of the United States has
temporarily conferred upon President Roosevelt." (p. 431.)
"If we are invited to believe that Stalin is, in effect a dictator, we may
enquire whether he does, in fact, act in the way that dictators have usually
acted? .
"We do not think that the Party is governed by the will of a single person;
or that Stalin is the sort of person to claim or desire such a position. He
has himself very explicitly denied any such personal dictatorship in terms
which, whether or not he is credited with sincerity, certainly accord with
our own impression of the facts." (p. 432.)
"The Communist Party of the U.S.S.R. has adopted for its own organisation
the pattern which we have described as common throughout the whole Soviet
constitution. In this pattern individual dictatorship has no place. Personal
decisions are distrusted and elaborately guarded against. In order to avoid
the mistakes due to bias, anger, jealousy, vanity and other distempers, from
which no person is at all times, entirely free or on his guard, it is
desirable that the individual will should always be controlled by the
necessity of gaining the assent of colleagues of equal grade, who have
candidly discussed the matter, and who have to make themselves jointly
responsible for the decision."
Well, so much for the allegations that Stalin personally now stands alone,
having put an end to all the "Bolshevik Old Guard." Incidentally, this is
the first time in its history that the "Daily Herald" and the "Daily Mail"
have wept tears of salt in unison over the fate of "old Bolsheviks."
And not as to the "frame-up." The actual question is: Why did sixteen
accused men all confess guilty, participate in a lively way in the court
proceedings, and show all their old capacity for public speaking and
repartee, and yet plead "Guilty"?
It is not because they had been rotting in dungeons or anything of that
kind. Actually, the most recently arrested of the accused were at liberty in
the U.S.S.R. until May of this year. And anyway, if they had been maltreated
in prison, surely some signs of this would have been visible to the public,
or at least one of them would have made some sort of a statement on the
matter!
No---the fact is this: The prisoners had four alternatives. First, to plead
innocent. Second, to plead guilty---making political speeches against the
Soviet government, the "Stalinist bureaucracy," and justifying their crime.
Third, to plead guilty and say no more. Fourthly, to confess, and give a
full account of their activities. Besides these possibilities, there was no
other way open to them---except suicide, the way chosen by Tomsky alone.
To plead innocent was impossible because the proofs were overwhelming, and
all these people knew this. They knew what additional evidence could be
brought against them if they tried to prove their innocence.
To attack the Soviet government and the "Stalinist bureaucracy" was
impossible---because for nearly ten years now these people have had
absolutely no political policy to oppose to that of Stalin. The fact is that
Stalin's policy is a success, and this has robbed his opponents of every
excuse of a political attack. This fact is openly admitted by the accused.
Outside the U.S.S.R., from his refuge in Norway, Trotsky does issue an
"opposing" policy. It is: (a) to proletarianise the non-proletarian elements
in the U.S.S.R.; (b) to organise a Workers' Front, as oppose to a People's
Front, in the capitalist countries. It seems that all the accused were
sufficiently alive to political tendencies to realise that to put forward
such a line in the court, as their political justification, would be worse
than frankly admitting that they had no real alternative policy; that is, no
political programme at all.
Actually, the policy of Stalin has consistently been to "proletarianise" the
non-proletarian elements in the population, and the policy is now almost
completely fulfilled. And internationally, to suggest the disrupting of the
People's Front, and forming a Worker's Front in its place, hardly deserves
mention.
And so, before all the men, against whom the proofs were overwhelming, who
had no policy, there was the one possibility of pleading Guilty---with, or
without, details of their crime.
Now it happens that not one of the individuals brought to trial has ever in
his political career renounced the possibility of making a speech before the
whole world. And they remained true to type. And in the court they made
their speeches, showed signs of their old joy in "putting it over" and their
old oratorical brilliance---and they told the truth to the whole world.
The newspaper, the "Observer" of August 23, no lover of the Bolsheviks, "old
guard" or new, was bound to conclude:---
"Stalin is now the acknowledged leader of the unified Party, whose prestige
in the country is now unquestioned.
"The defendants admitted frankly that they resorted to individual terror as
a last resort, fully knowing that disaffection in the country now is not
sufficiently strong to bring them into power in any other way. .
"It is futile to think the trial was staged and the charges trumped up. The
Government's case against the defendants is genuine."
And now, two final matters. First, it is said that the trial was
"inopportune," it was a "political blunder" to hold it just now. Of course,
if it was a "frame-up," specially staged by the Soviet government, that
allegation would be true. But why should the Soviet government, at this most
ticklish moment in international affairs, stage a frame-up calculated to run
the risk of antagonising all that Liberal opinion all over the world that is
more and more supporting the Soviet peace policy, but has a horror of death
sentences, even against proven assassins? Three suggestions have been made.
First, that the Soviet government wanted to prove that it is "becoming
respectable." But the Soviet leaders are intelligent enough to know that
trials for treason are never likely to gain a reputation for respectability
in Liberal circles, while Bolshevism as such, can never become respectable
to the reactionaries, whoever might be killed off. And the second suggestion
is that it was to turn attention off Spain within the U.S.S.R.! When the
Soviet Trade Unions have collected more money for the Spanish workers than
has been collected in any other country!
A third suggestion is---that mass unrest was growing in the U.S.S.R. But is
this were so, and if the men who were brought to trial were the leaders of
this unrest, then it is absolutely inconceivable, with foreign journalists
and radio microphones in front of them, that not one prisoner should have
said one word to mobilise this unrest, to give the disgruntled populace
courage, and to set a light to that flame of dissatisfaction which was
creeping over the country!
It is only the realisation that the accused knew they had no mass support,
as they stated in the trial, that can explain their complete lack of any
attempt to mobilise opinion and action against the existing Soviet
government.
And finally, about the new Soviet Constitution. Is there a single word in
this Constitution that says that Terrorists, planning acts of terror in
co-operation with fascists, against the leaders of the Soviet State, shall
not be tried, and if necessary condemned to death? No---not a word. Because,
so long as there are fascist and capitalist states, there will be fascist
and capitalist agents in the U.S.S.R.; and so long as the use of violence is
a principle of capitalism, carried to all forms of bestial terrorism under
fascism; so must the Workers' State use force to suppress force.
In the Moscow trial the accused were offered the right to a defence counsel,
and refused. They themselves pleaded guilty, and explained their crimes,
because they had no better way of conducting themselves.
The old discredited leaders of the Russian workers, the MacDonalds and
Snowdens of Russia, had no capitalist class to support their further
political career [They wanted that class through the NEP. -RC ed.], so they
resorted to underground terrorism, and came into line with the capitalist
class of Germany with its fascist agents.
The not-yet-completely discredited leader of the British workers, Sir Walter
Citrine, who is already famous in the Nazi press for his attacks on the
U.S.S.R., protested against the trial, asked for the use of "foreign
lawyers" for the defence, and that there be "no shootings." The "Daily
Herald," the not-yet-completely discredited "workers'" newspaper, has been
quoting columns of false allegations against the U.S.S.R. It has invented
the "disappearance" of Mme. Czersky, wife of the Soviet Trade
Representative---who was on holiday in the country. It has given reports of
"rumours in Moscow" as reported by a "German Press Agency." And the Nazis,
in their radio broadcasts, have been quoting chunks from the "Daily Herald"!
The line-up of the discredited "leaders" in the U.S.S.R. with the Nazi
Gestapo for purposes of terrorism---which is the only method of struggle now
possible against the leadership of the united Soviet workers, can only be
distinguished in degree from the line-up of the not-quite-completely
discredited Trade Union "leadership" in Britain, the "Daily Herald," and the
whole apparatus of Nazi propaganda. In both cases the enemies of the
militant workers' movement, losing the support of the masses, are ready to
go to any length to hold on to, or get back, their power. In the U.S.S.R. it
is now a struggle of physical force, as in Spain. In Britain it is still
only a conflict of propaganda.
The "Daily Herald," quotes Hitler's propaganda agencies, and Hitler is
quoting the "Daily Herald." Their policy is the same.
Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev and the others got assistance from the Hitler
Secret Police, and worked with the help of the Nazi agents---their policy
was the same.
This policy is: To weaken the Soviet Union by destroying its leadership, and
to split the united struggle of the workers who are going forward in
alliance with the middle class and peasantry of all countries to fight
fascism---in fact, consciously or unconsciously, to strengthen the fascist
offensive and its policy of suppression of the workers' movement in all
countries and of wars of aggression all over the world.
Our task is to expose these plans, and to fight with all our strength
against this "united front" of all the forces of reaction!
People's Commissar
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>
> Hell, just from the past two days we've seen these murder-filled tirades
> from you:
>
> "I'd seek to exterminate those that harmed me and mine. I glory at the
> death and destruction of those that have harmed mine, my kin, etc. Very
> concerete. Very simple. Very primitive too. Nothing is there to be
> analyzed. It's too concrete to analyze. There is nothing psychological
> about it. It's pure animal. It's PURE too. By pure I mean that it is a
> pure emotion, a real emotion - not cluttered up with extraneous other
> stuff."
Yes, I definitely said that, and the problem for you seems to be that you
are incapable of taking a person at their word. I have personally witnessed
the (unmentionable on newsgroup) of the person who raped my mother. I
cheered it on, of course. After all, the mother fucker RAPED MY MOTHER.
Are you going to tell me that you would NOT glory at the destruction of a
person who murdered your family? Or seek the death, as brutal as possible,
of a person who tortured Kerry to death? Gimme a break. You threatened a
lot worse to people who never did a thing to you. You are here stalking me,
pretty much, obsessing like a deluded pornographer and I've done nothing to
you.
Perhaps you wouldn't do anything to a person who tortured your mother, aunt,
etc, or wife to death - you are a masochist. You might wet your panties
watching this. You are THAT sick. This is basically what you are saying by
trying to diss what I said about ENEMIES of me and my kin. What do YOU
think I mean by enemies? You need to seriously GROW UP.
>
> "Wanna know what I'd DO to such people if given one chance? Let's see,
> rip out their intestines? Torch their heads? Murder their families in
> front of them? Do unto others. Indeed." (Tani Jantsang)
Yes, Jason would do the same to them. I believe I said that to HIM? And
you would NOT do that to a person who, eg, tortured Kerry to death? You
wouldn't? If you wouldn't, then you are not a man. You are not even a
human being. I'd say bend over, but even the most pacifist type people
would want vengeance.
>
> You are brain-sick, Tani. But then I think you know that.
No, you are a self-deluded liar that indulges in self-deception at every
turn. I meant exactly what I said. And for you to pull this "turn the
other cheek, I forgive people who slaughtered my relatives" shit is a bald
faced LIE. You wanted - AND TRIED TO GET, vengeance on AQUINO for booting
you out of a fucking organization that you regard as a cult, for shit's
sakes. Please.
>
> In another post you write: "For people who have unconscious minds, and
> get all bogged down in that 'shadow self' mentality - it's not going to be
> easy to understand people who don't have that at all because they are ALL
> THERE, all the time; like a cat or dog is - nothing demeaning meant here."
It's the truth. I don't expect a person as sublimating and sexualizing as
yourself to grasp the SIMPLE truth of this. When I like a car, I like a
car. It doesn't matter if it's YOUR car, or someone else's car. I like it
because it fits well to sit in and drive, and it is reliable. I do not care
what it looks like. That's the truth. It's too simple for you to grasp.
For me, a car is nothing BUT a means to get from one place to another.
That is ALL a car is. For you, a car is something else because you are
decadent in that sick way, gonadocephalic. You sexualize non-sexual things
and then invent S and M fantasies about people you dislike. Yicky, you
know. You clutter your mind up with delusions. You wonder why maybe "Tani
does not like you" but you know - I didn't know you until you stripped
yourself naked in front of me and made a complete pornographic ass of
yourself. That you are obsessed is now a fact. You are. You lay traps for
yourself at every turn too. But you are too STUPID to see it. You're
crazy - simple as that. Crazy.
>
> I had to laugh at this -- if ever there was a statement demonstrating that
> someone was helplessly immersed in their own psychological "shadow" it is
> this.
I am an animal, scratch. Something you never met before.
I find it hilarious how YOU focus on the negative statements - statements
that you PRACTICE ten fold on here when it comes to metaphorically ripping
Aquino's guts out and opening up old wounds to torture him with. YOU DID
that and you sat by and gleefully watched your two vicious buddies rip his
intestines out for him on here. You did that, requiring him to, in turn,
dredge up all that old, probably painful stuff. You did that, and you
relished it, reveled in it. Don't even TRY to pass yourself off as a
pacifist. PERIOD.
People who really know me, some of whom you also know, know me to be a very
KIND person that has a high regard for other KIND people - two SR saints are
Roddenberry and Roosevelt. I'm a hell of a lot MORE tolerant than they are
(even more tolerant than Walter is), very VERY easy going, big hearted,
sharing and they get inspired. Perhaps they get inspired because what I do
and say is very pure and unpolluted by the complex web of feces that makes
YOU tick.
You are a pristine case of shadow-envelopment, even down to denying
> that you have a shadow (or even a subconscious!) to begin with.
PET scan shows I have none. Left, Right and Limbic work in synch. Sorry.
NO ONE is not born with such a mind. That is developed when you are
subjected to a fucked up childhood - sorry. Neurology backs me. I have a
mind - it is very much like the minds of other mammals. I like things for
simple reasons. I dislike things for simple reasons. My motives are very
pure and simple. Not complex or convoluted. When I say something, I mean
it. And I mean what I say - not what YOU say it means.
> Murderous ranting against "enemies" for perceived faults identical to your
> own -- amazing!
I have never murdered anyone's parents or children. Enemies are those that
have DESTROYED my kin, really harmed them - or who WOULD do them harm in
some way like that - depriving them of life, or freedom. Your enemies,
however, heh, are the Aquino's for booting you out of an org. You have a
very warped way of seeing the world - and a sick and twisted idea of pure,
undefiled, animal passions. Don't even TRY to tell me that if a person
tortured Kerry, you'd not want bloody vengeance. But recognize that this
is what YOU FOCUSED on - these words of mine. And, per your own character
or lack thereof, you twisted it all up in another fantasy.
What is it with you? You want me to tie you up and beat you or something?
I'm not into that. I'm too animal to be into such stupid shit. You have an
obsession with me - that is for sure. You don't know me - and your
delusions are 100% refuted by people who DO know me, up close, personal, or
closely in other ways (not face to face), and as I said, some of these
people also know you.
You make up similar delusions about Aquino. Your life is one long delusion.
You are sick, Hunt - really sick. You keep doing shit like this. Sheesh.
Lemme guess. You are obsessed with me now because Aquino said "nice things"
about me.. Wrong. Aquino said TRUE things about me. How astute of him.
You'll just diss anything I write on here, you are far too deluded, hurt and
obsessed to do anything else. At least here, you actually quoted a genuine
post.
I don't have much else to say to you since you are sexualizing my words and
well, that is really YUCHY. You are not a whole person; that's for sure.
You write your delusions on here - and that IS your shadow mind - the things
you "wish" were true, but are refuted by reality. I do not have a shadow
mind. MOST humans DO NOT HAVE ONE EITHER - and they'd tend to AVOID those
who did for very obvious reasons: you are flakey, very flakey. You write
delusions and continue to do this until they are refuted. You don't even
REALIZE you do this. What "I say about you" is not true? You said it about
YOURSELF, duh.
TJ
People's Commissar
speaks wonders for anything ELSE you have to say - like the way you play Mr.
Innocent.
Former Waffen SS men are there, yes - they are old timers. When we go
there, we all know each other, or easily get to know each other. Not
everyone in that club is German - that is not a requirement. Maybe 1/3
there are Germans. Yes, we dance with each other. These are old timers,
not brutal people at all, family people, respected citizens of the USA that
never did anything wrong. They were soldiers, nothing more. Now they are
NO L ONGER that - not at all They are gentile people. I don't party with
thugs: which is why I despite you - YOU are a thug. Your little gang of
thugs are despicable sexualizers.
Dancing is not sex, Lupo. Dancing is dancing - and it's a lot of fun.
Now you can go suck yourself if you can reach it - which you can't. Don't
even talk to me about tolerance. You are the most grudge ridden intolerant
fuck on here, along with your Fetid Four.
As for magic, ha ha haaaaa, I remember a prediction of Casey's about your
little lap dog on here - the Chaos man. He's living PROOF that my magic
worked. Behold him: the obsessor. That you guys are obsessed heh - is a
fact visible to all seeing this.
You have been obsessed for years, Stupo.
TJ
"Lupo LeBoucher" <i...@io.com> wrote in message
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People's Commissar
just like Andre" fame, lmao.
Actually, WE - including Wayne and the Moslem guy, envisioned him in the
clouds. He had clothing on.
What, pissed off that our working may have worked? Yours never work.
You know, heh, Casey said you'd do exactly what you are doing now. Guess
hers work too.
How's Michael? Nevermind, I don't want to know. She probably left you,
LMAO.
Toodles, loser. You are last years - or is that 2 years ago - feces.
Be gone, enemy mine! Go bother Andre Schlesinger - AGAIN.
TJ
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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GUlLLOTlNA
about getting damp from dancing a waltz with some old Nazi war criminal or
other? >>
She certainly did.
Seems like we have a new definition of "socializing" here (having read her
response): Partying with people, or dancing with them, or eating dinner with
them or seeing them on a regular basis is not "socializing" with them.
"Socializing" with someone means "SEX!," in her world.
And she says everyone -else- "SEXUALIZES!" everything...? You just have to
laugh...
L.
*********
"Wayne, Jackson, some others from "populist" group downtown back in 1989 or so.
Some squabble broke out with people in NS uniforms. A fight ensued. Radu
seriously kicked some ass."
"I notice that Radu never stoops to calling you or anyone else anything other
than your names or nicks.
Yeah, trained in armed combat alright, he whopped ass into a bloody pulp. And
it was so god damned fast it stunned people."
- "Radu: King of Whoopass" by Phyllis, in message-ids:
tff2u37...@corp.supernews.com and
tffaq7r...@corp.supernews.com
GUlLLOTlNA
*********
::La lalalalaaaaa...snipsnipsnip::
>I have personally witnessed the (unmentionable on newsgroup) of the person who
raped my mother. I cheered it on, of course. After all, the mother fucker
RAPED MY MOTHER.>>
This, ladies and gents of the alt.satanism jury, is so *cool.* Yes, it is.
First she killed someone at age nine over lawn-furniture harrassment (who knew
they even -had- lawns in the NJ projects?), then her cousin flings another kid
off a roof four stories up, then her 11-year old niece disables a grown man,
unarmed, and now Phyllis is saying here she watched her mother's rapist
murdered and cheered it on.
*Yeah* baby. That's one family who owns the can-of-whoopass -factory-!
::laughs::
One could point out that since Phyllis' mother suffered a physical attack, this
is a clear instance of physical unfitness; one could even utter the dread words
Might Makes Right. Looks like Phyl's mom wasn't too mighty that day... or
night. Tsk; how UberTuranian could she -really- be?
You'd think since the children of the family leap tall buildings in a single
bound, her mother could fend off ONE guy with one hand tied behind her back!
But no.
::SNIP::
>Perhaps you wouldn't do anything to a person who tortured your mother,
aunt,etc, or wife to death - you are a masochist. You might wet your panties
watching this. You are THAT sick. This is basically what you are saying by
trying to diss what I said about ENEMIES of me and my kin. >>
Nothing like the smell of attempted reverse-psychology in the morning....
No, it is NOT "basically what he (Scratch) was saying," and you saying this
does not make it so.
<<"Wanna know what I'd DO to such people if given one chance? Let's see, rip
out their intestines? Torch their heads? Murder their families in front of
them? Do unto others. Indeed.">>
>Yes, Jason would do the same to them.>>
Jason's not here telling us how his preadolescent relatives are miniature
Jackie Chans; you, on the other hand, are. Leave Jason out of it.
::snip irrelevant rant about cars::
>I am an animal, scratch. Something you never met before.>>
Perhaps this is a rather grade-schoolish response, but I simply cannot resist
saying that you *act* like an animal, too. This is not a compliment.
<<You are a pristine case of shadow-envelopment, even down to denying that you
have a shadow (or even a subconscious!) to begin with.>>
>PET scan shows I have none. >>
The subconscious shows on a PET scan? Who knew? Learn something new every day.
>Neurology backs me.>>
::snicker:: But does it support you in emails?
I'd certainly like to get a look at your PET scan; that might even be possible.
Hmmm..... ::considers that one:: Food for thought.
::snip Aquino, Kerry being tortured, etc::
My, how she does run on.
>You don't know me - and your delusions are 100% refuted by people who DO know
me, up close, personal, or closely in other ways>>
Are the lurkers supporting you in email AGAIN, Phyllis? You've simply got to
tell them to cut that out!
Your mindset *is* pretty well known out here, sorry. One could fill several
textbooks with the disfunctions you display here.
YOUR delusions are 100% refuted by practically everyone out here. Tit for tat.
You have a little clique of sycophants who tell you, "It doesnt MATTER what
those IDIOTS on alt.sludge SAY! You're the GREATEST, oh UberTuraninan!" - is
there a reason anyone should care?
>Lemme guess. You are obsessed with me now because Aquino said "nice things"
about me.. Wrong. Aquino said TRUE things about me. How astute of him.>>
This is really too foolish to respond to, so we'll skip it.
I think it's safe to say that not many people out here care much if Aquino
endorses you or not.
Hearts & flowers:
Mr. Scratch
I'm now inspired to announce the introduction of a new, informal
alt.satanism award: the Screaming Mimi. The Screaming Mimi will be
awarded to those whose postings elicit the most impressive TaniRants in
response. Submissions will be judged on the length, logical
disarticulation and distortion, bizarreness of claims, threats and
attempted intimidation, general hysterical and/or frantic tone, and
similar hilarities in Tani's responses.
Now, before we move on to the meat of this post...
*Mr. Scratch puts on a tweed jacket, fishes a notebook from his pocket,
sticks a pipe between his teeth, and balances a pair of spectacles on his
nose.*
Please allow me to introduce myself; I am Dr. Sigmund Scratch,
psychoanalyst of ze olt Vienna School.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, People's Commissar wrote:
> "Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote:
> > All I said was that you are a psychotic
> > sociopath who worships mass-murderers -- a claim I can back up.
>
> you can't THINK without sexualizing something.... FUCK everyone...
> pornographic fantasies... write pornography... pornographic
> fantasies... I never sexualize things. You do nothing BUT sexualize
> things... masochist, bonafide totally into that... a psychopath that
> sexualizes everything that's NOT sexual at all... uniform to cum...
> wet panties... sexualization problem... pornography... porno
> magazines featuring Nazis... sexualizing something again... ONE
> non-pornographic thought... masochist with the sexualization fantasies
> of a masochist... sexualizing things that are 100% NON-sexual...
> obsessing like a deluded pornographer... you are a masochist... You
> sexualize non-sexual things and then invent S and M fantasies...
Ah! Velly Intellestink!
Folks, the above is a compilation of most of the sexual references Tani
made in response to my post on historical mass-killers. I'd like to point
out that I barely even alluded to sex in my posting on Tani's fascination
with mass-murderers, yet this is her reaction. My discussion was almost
entirely limited to talking about the crimes of said murderers, and my
belief that Tani idolizes such people. Nothing about the sexual
fetishization of such figures came from my end, beyond a single flippant
remark that butchery made her "panties wet." It is this single offhand
comment that outraged and threatened Tani the most!
As can be seen in this surprisingly revelatory post, Tani appears to be
unable to distinguish between a discussion of atrocity-committing
criminals, and sex. I mention her fixation on mass-murderers, and she
immediately launches into accusation that it is "pornography" and
"sexualization!" as if they were the same thing!
I do believe we are coming to the root of Tani's problem here.
> Your sexualized statements, this pornograph filth you spew at me,
> makes me think what others said about you, about you in the past was
> true: you are a closed serial killer, a psychopath that sexualizes
> everything that's NOT sexual at all. You are sick, just for that you
> are sick... You are one sick psycho with a real sexualization problem.
> You write nothing but pornography. And you are aiming it at me?
I was talking about the murderer Saddam Hussein and his atrocities, Tani.
What are *you* talking about?
> > In the years leading up to the Gulf War, Saddam repeatedly used
> > mustard gas and nerve agents on civilian Iraqi Kurds, killing tens of
> > thousands
>
> No, he did not. The Soviets even TOLD people that the Iranians did
> that to the Kurds and the poison was GOTTEN FROM the Soviets.
> Imperialist propaganda be damned.
Nope. The Iranians actually supply aid to the Kurds, as they are enemies
of Saddam. The Kurds in question were Iraqi Kurds, killed in Iraq, by
Iraqi chemical weapons dropped by Iraqi planes, by the Iraqi army, during
the course of an Iraqi campaign to dislodge them from Northern Iraq.
They were killed in Iraq, by Iraq, on the orders of the Iraqi dictator,
Saddam Hussein.
> > > You have a cognitive disorder disenabling you from reading tenses in
> > > sentences? Yes, you do. I DID support all he was doing, especially
> > > the excavations, the celebrations, the coins, and the democracy and
> > > the economy there. DID.
> >
> > OooOOooh! Saddam dug up some old rocks! He threw a party! He made
> > some pretty COINS! That ought to make his mass-murdering a bit more
> > palatable!
> >
> > Hey, Hitler was famous for being nice to old ladies, children and
> > dogs. Does that make him okay?
>
> You are the one who reads porno magazines featuring Nazis beating up
> women, you sick as shit piece of feces. I think sHitler sucks. Many
> people disagree by the way, many Germans disagree, and objectively he
> surely did good things for the German people at first. I don't care
> how "nice nice" he did for Germany and the poor German people. He
> sucks. He murdered my relatives. Period. That is my bottom line,
> you blithering fool.
Setting aside your continued baseless "porno" fixation, the question
remains: Does the fact that someone like Saddam or Hitler occasionally
does something "nice" negate the fact that he is a mass-killer and a
criminal?
> > "Nope you got something wrong. Lenin, Stalin, how about CUTE FELIX
> > DZERZHINSKY, GORGEOUS NIKOLAI YEZHOV, BERIA, and all the other HEROS
>
> Brendan wrote the ARTICLE on that, fyi - it's on the website. He was
> funning around.
No Tani. YOU wrote it. I know you like to pin all your boo-boos on your
whipping-boy Brendan, but this one came directly from your account, in the
course of a discussion you were participating in, and is signed off on by
YOU! You wrote it, and there's no lying your way out of it. Here are the
the headers...
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> Lenin, Stalin and Feliks are not cute, imo - I never even looked at
> them in that way - you sick piece of turd
You apparently did when you wrote that statement.
> There YOU go sexualizing something again. Do you ever think even ONE
> non-pornographic thought? Guess not.
Heh! Talk about your Freudian slips! Here you are accusing me of
"sexualizing" mass-killers, when YOU are the one who wrote the statement
to begin with!
Tani, why don't you just admit that these domineering, amoral monsters
turn you on?
> Yes, they are HEROS of the working people - and Feliks was the hero of
> orphans. I don't care what you think of them. You think they were
> brutal. I think they were not. Stalin was not, not at first.
Stalin's record of mass murder speaks for itself. Anybody who has studied
20th century history in any depth would be aware of the Great Purges, the
mass-starvation campaign against the Russian peasantry, the wholesale
executions, and the gulag archipelago in which millions were ground to
dust. Even Kruschev admitted to the terrible devastation that Stalin
wreaked upon the Soviet people, and the awful toll in human lives he
needlessly caused.
> Feliks never was cruel, not ever.
Ah, you suppose they called him "The Iron Felix" because he was warm and
cuddly?
Felix Dzerzhinsky was responsible for liquidating entire towns during the
Civil War, and slaughtering the Cossacks en masse wherever they could be
found. After establishing the Cheka (the first Soviet secret police --
the word "Chekist" is the equivalent of "Nazi" in Russia today), he
embarked on the Red Terror, in which over 6000 non-Bolshevik socialists
were executed without trial. He also implemented the seizure of food from
peasants, leaving them to starve in a manmade famine on a genocidal scale,
as well as the mass executions of villages that were suspected of
harboring resisters. In the words of Dzerzhinsky himself:
"We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror
is an absolute necessity during times of revolution."
(Felix Dzerzhinsky, interviewed in Novaia Zhizn, 14 July 1918)
"Feliks never was cruel, not ever."
(Tani Jantsang, 26 April 2002)
Yeah, right.
> Yezhov was not fit for the job but being liberal was NOT the thing to
> be in 1937. He was also poisoned and delusional due to that
> poisoning.
Yezhov presided over the Great Purge, wherein the Old Bolsheviks who had
come to prominence alongside Lenin, and whose political power threatened
Stalin's, were put to death.
With the murder of Leon Trotsky on 20 August, 1940, all the leading
figures involved in the Russian Revolution were dead except for Joseph
Stalin. Of the fifteen members of the original Bolshevik government, ten
had been executed and the other four had also died (sometimes in
mysterious circumstances).
Of the 1,966 delegates that attended the Communist Party Congress in 1934,
1,108 were arrested over the next five years by Yagoda, Yezhov and Beria.
Only seventy people were tried in public. The rest were tried in secret
before being executed. Official figures suggest that between January 1935
and June 1941, 19.8 million people were arrested by the NKVD. An estimated
seven million of these prisoners were executed.
Yezhov also was responsible for killing large numbers of officers in the
Red Army. It has been estimated that between 1936 and 1941 a third of all
officers were arrested. Three out of five marshals and fourteen out of
sixteen army commanders were executed.
These are the "cute" and "gorgeous" figures, who were "never cruel, not
ever," that you so admire.
> Beria was more like a gangster, but loyal in his own way.
Beria was more than a gangster -- under his hand virtually every action
could be called a crime against the Soviet state, and millions were sent
to the gulag to be worked to death, for no other purpose than to provide
the state with cheap labor and to strike terror into the hearts of the
populace.
> > the Working Peoples Soviets and their NKVD (SAME AS FBI)- they
> > murdered KULAK BASTARD PLANTATION OWNERS, PRIESTS AND THEIR ILK and
> > other SHIT."
>
> I didn't write that. Is that all you have, you pathetic sex freak?
You DID write that, and it's already been proven. Again, I will point out
that you apparently characterize your own adoration of these mass-killers'
actions as being sexual in nature.
> > Take a look at that. Look at the way you squeal like a giddy
> > schoolgirl at the thought of three of the 20th century's greatest
> > murderers, Dzerzhinsky, Yezhov and Beria. You aren't interested in
> > the Soviet system's philosophers or great orators, such as Kaminev,
> > Zinoviev, Trotsky and Bukharin, oh no. In fact, all these people were
> > tortured and executed by your darling Stalin and the henchmen you
> > drool over above. Hell, your heroes here were primarily responsible
> > for killing just about every "Old Bolshevik" that fought with Lenin in
> > 1917.
>
> It figures you'd love the bankster (not a typo) traitors. That is not
> true, and J. Arch Getty agrees with me on this. Trotsky was a fascist
> pig. Bukharin was pro NEP. But now that you mention this - READ AND
> LEARN, you brainwashed sexualizing psychotic. You are the only person
> on here sexualizing things that are 100% NON-sexual. You are, SICK.
> You are gonadocephalic.
(Snip of laughable propaganda regarding the show-trials of the Old
Bolsheviks -- no doubt the writer would have us believe the condemned used
their last words to thank Comrade Stalin for the gracious use of the
Soviet People's bullets to end their lives in the courtyard of the
Lubyanka! Maybe Tani would like to repost some old Nazi newspaper articles
about how pleased the Jews were with the spas they were given during the
"resettlement" campaign.)
Yes, yes, we're all familiar with how ALL of Lenin's old comrades were
seemingly destined to be disloyal to Stalin, and regretfully had to be put
to death. Virtually every last one of Lenin's comrades turned out to be
so "disloyal." Gosh, and to think they could have avoided being shot if
only they'd realized what a "NICE MAN" Comrade Stalin was!
> > Hell, just from the past two days we've seen these murder-filled
> > tirades from you:
>
> > "I'd seek to exterminate those that harmed me and mine. I glory at
> > the death and destruction of those that have harmed mine, my kin,
> > etc. Very concerete. Very simple. Very primitive too. Nothing is
> > there to be analyzed. It's too concrete to analyze. There is nothing
> > psychological about it. It's pure animal. It's PURE too. By pure I
> > mean that it is a pure emotion, a real emotion - not cluttered up
> > with extraneous other stuff."
> Yes, I definitely said that, and the problem for you seems to be that
> you are incapable of taking a person at their word. [...] Are you
> going to tell me that you would NOT glory at the destruction of a
> person who murdered your family? Or seek the death, as brutal as
> possible, of a person who tortured Kerry to death? Gimme a break.
Dunno. I'd be able to say if such a thing happened. The point is, you
don't see myself, or any other normal people here, crowing about how much
we'd LIKE to torture and kill those who've harmed us. None of us seem to
be as eager as you are. I think it is clear to see, given the passion
evident in this statement and the one you issue below, that you are
considerably more emotionally wound-up about killing people than the rest
of us. And given your identification with sex and mass-murderers, I think
I am beginning to see why.
Besides which, you've previously made it very clear that when you say "I'd
seek to exterminate those that harmed me and mine," you mean to say
anything you remotely consider "harm," including when people say things
you disagree with. I can repost your snail-mailed threat to Dan Clore if
you'd like.
> You threatened a lot worse to people who never did a thing to you.
For the fifth time now, where? You keep squawking about how I threatened
someone, and I keep telling you to dig it out of the archive, right here:
---> www.google.com.<----- Right there, Tani, is where virtually
everything I've ever said to or about you and your bunch of drones
resides. Now, where is the threat? Show it to me. SHOW IT!
Heh heh. You've become such a liar, you can't tell where lies end and
truth begins!
> You are here stalking me, pretty much, obsessing like a deluded
> pornographer and I've done nothing to you.
Actually, I've made it very clear -- you would never have had to hear from
me if you'd merely left me out of your little screeds. Even now, I'd
probably walk away from you if you'd clam up, and promise to never speak
of me again -- but you keep coming back, looking to win a fight in spite
of the fact that you are too stupid to do so.
*Sigmund Scratch settles back into his chair and peers over his
spectacles at his notebook.*
Now...tell me about your mother.
> I have personally witnessed the (unmentionable on newsgroup) of the
> person who raped my mother. I cheered it on, of course. After all,
> the mother fucker RAPED MY MOTHER.
Well, perhaps this explains your rather erratic behavior, and your
deplorable mental state.
> > In another post you write: "For people who have unconscious minds,
> > and get all bogged down in that 'shadow self' mentality - it's not
> > going to be easy to understand people who don't have that at all
> > because they are ALL THERE, all the time; like a cat or dog is -
> > nothing demeaning meant here."
> It's the truth. I don't expect a person as sublimating and
> sexualizing as yourself to grasp the SIMPLE truth of this....You
> sexualize non-sexual things and then invent S and M fantasies about
> people you dislike. Yicky, you know.
As I said, you are so entirely engulfed by your rampaging subconscious
that you aren't even aware of the existence of such a thing in yourself.
You can't even go so far as to admit you have a subconscious, let alone
admit to what it contains beneath its seething black surface.
And yet, it shows through clear as day to those of us who care to pay
attention. Take your obsession with S&M, for example. Throughout your
posts, here and elsewhere, you rail on and on about S&M sexual practices,
even though virtually nobody is talking about them. While you claim to
hate, hate, HATE S&M, it would appear that you are the only person present
who has a driving interest in the topic.
It's a curious thing, too, because it is evident in your very behavior
that you long to dominate people. More than anyone else here, you spend
your time barking angry commands at others, making demands that are
erratic and implacable. You threaten or intimidate people who do not
conform to your desires, and you surround yourself with weak men who
scramble to do your bidding.
And now, I think we've firmly established that you consider the dominative
powers of historical mass-murderers as a sexual turn-on.
Tani, perhaps it's time to acknowledge your subconscious desires, and
become the whip-wielding dominatrix you've always secretly yearned to be.
I'm sure that Brendan and Poodles would be happy to let you thrash them
about and make them scrub your toilet with their toothbrushes. In fact, I
bet they're dying for you to offer them the opportunity!
> TJ
Dr. Sigmund Scratch
Mr. Scratch
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Lupo LeBoucher wrote:
>
> > Didn't Rantsang previously post some one-handed giddy schoolgirl
> > gurgling about getting damp from dancing a waltz with some old Nazi
> > war criminal or other?
> >
> > Guess she is politically an agnostic, as long as the slaughterer in
> > question is good at what he does. To think, she actually reproduced.
>
> That you would so twist up a fact about a German American club in Cape
> Coral speaks wonders for anything ELSE you have to say - like the way
> you play Mr. Innocent.
>
> Former Waffen SS men are there, yes - they are old timers. When we go
> there, we all know each other, or easily get to know each other. Not
> everyone in that club is German - that is not a requirement. Maybe
> 1/3 there are Germans. Yes, we dance with each other.
Tuesdays are a magical time for Tani, for in the evenings, she gets
gussied up and hustles down to the local DAGGER (Dance Association of
Geriatric Genocidalists Entering Retirement) Ballroom for the big soiree.
Or was it the big DEATH (Dance and Entertainment Association for
Tuckered-out Homicidalists) hoe-down? Bah, all those mass-murderer dance
exhibitions, who can keep track of them all? In any case, Tani loves
them. The dancers are quite skilled at Latin dance in particular, with
many of them having spent so many years in Argentina and Venezuela.
But this last Tuesday was a special time for Tani, above all other
Tuesdays, since she got to dance with her favorite war-criminal and tango
partner. To the dramatic orchestra playing in the background, he spun her
out across the floor, and the electricity sizzled in the air. Oh, age had
made his once-golden locks turn grey, and his proud square jaw now sagged
a bit, but his eyes still gleamed with that old ice-cold malevolence that
makes Tani dizzy with excitement.
He drew Tani close to him in a daring sweep, and she whispered
breathlessly in his ear, "Oh Heiny, tell me again what you did at Lvov!"
Heinrich chuckled to himself -- this story always got Tani so hot! "Vell,"
he said seductively, "first vee make zem dig zere own grafes. Das ist
such a funny tink to zee, ha ha, all zis judensvine deegin een ze frossen
ground! Zen ve say "Schnell! Take off ze close...""
The music swelled to a crescendo, and the violin sobbed out. Tani nearly
swooned with passion, there in the lean arms of her darling war-criminal.
She could almost see herself with him, on the blood-soaked soil of her
Mother Russia; Heinrich resplendant in his dashing black uniform, its
silver Death-Head insignia glittering like diamonds in the cold autumn
sunlight, with Tani herself clutched close at his side in a tango clinch!
She could almost feel the sharp edges of his pin-back Iron Cross digging
mercilessly into her breast, like the seizing talons of some Teutonic
eagle! She could smell the intoxicating perfume of spent gunpowder,
drifting on the breeze! And, oh Heinrich! as her beloved raised his sleek
Luger pistol and fired it again and again at the collapsing row of
pathetic enemy vermin, whose mournful cries would briefly mingle with the
lilting sob of the orchestra's violin, before they tumbled headlong into
their anonymous grave, forever to be vanquished and forgotten. Each crack
of Heinrich's methodically fired pistol brought Tani a rush of hot blood
pounding through her veins, underscoring the throbbing rhythm of the tango
music.
Oh, what a heady night for Tani! A night of torrid romance and wild
dancing, shared in a way that only two sociopaths could share! Such a
night to remember!
Mr. Scratch
People's Commissar
Calling these people war criminals is slander to the max. But that's no
matter to you. The fact is, even the 70 year olds are more in shape than
you are and they don't have to WORK at it.
Now you can put your little pecker away, peckerwood. You are one sick puppy.
Stop fantaticizing about me, you have a wife of your own. Perhaps you want
her to heh, beat the holy crap out of you like the last one did, or so you
claim (liar).
TJ
Snip the insanity - correction - snip your own personal sex fantasy. How's
about fantasizing about Kerry instead, eh? Nah, you wouldn't do that.
People's Commissar
WANNABE COP. Everyone that matters can see it. Clue: that matters.
Hunt - fuck off. Get a life if you can. You dig getting slanderous with
personal shit. Watch out, Mrs. Webb might come for you again. LIAR.
You abused HER.
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.020426...@garcia.efn.org...
People's Commissar
you look all the more like the squirming maggot you are. What is more, you
BEG to get under our feet: sorry - we won't oblige you.
People's Commissar
And if I had the time to WASTE snipping up your vomit to make up lies and
call them posts, I'd do that. Apparently you have 24/7 to waste your life.
Continue, please. Continue to wither away.
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.020426...@garcia.efn.org...
The innocent initiate. The rapist Adept. The Temple of Set. Dr. Aquino.
It's well known. They buried it in a Setian conspiracy. I worked so hard.
My broken heart. I'm angry now. He did it to himself. Molesting Mikey.
Child Fucker. Radio Free Setian is dead at last. I'm sorry. I cringed.
My pal Lupo. My best friend Kevin. Spaghetti. Macho war criminals.
Tango. I am not lying. I did not pull it out of my ass, I only vomited it
up. Aquino. Screaming Mimi. Tani is my new Goddess since my God Michael
ignores me. Aquino. I have to flame someone. Stalker. I have to blame
someone for my own errors. 12 years. I cringed the entire time. My wife
beat me up. I am an abuse victim. Aquino. Presidio. Collection of posts
is something I have to do, it's my new crusade. Aquino.
Mr. Hunt
Priest of Set
Jerome
From: "Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Last Tango for Tani
Saturday night is a magical time for me for in the evenings, instead of
going out to party with my wife and friends, I get gussied up and I hustle
down to the corner bar to get drunk and have fantasies about Aquino and
Tani. My wife is too much of a bore to fantasize about. I used to have
fantasies about being beaten and tortured by Ms. Webb. I even posted my
fantasies about that. Yummy. Then I hurry on to this sandbox to post
flames at others and imagine they share my fantasies.
I also joined an organization called ZEAL, the Zealous Elimination of All
Life, my own life to be exact. You see, I get turned on by looking at Nazi
studs beating up big boobed bitches. I want to be one of them. Too bad the
high ups in the ToS know about my little fetish. They can't keep secrets
and they blabbed to others about it. I love to accuse people of parleying
with mass murderers because I'd love to be one myself. I always wanted to
be a cop, don't be fooled by my liberarian front. I get rock hard thinking
about that. But libertarianism is a bland as my current wife. Oh, I wish I
had my ex-wife back.
I love to post my fantasies. It doesn't matter if I'm telling more lies
about people who aren't that. I like to imagine they are. In fact, I wish
their kids would see the posts and then hunt me down. That would tittilate
me to no end.
As a second encore, lacking the ability to kill and torture people for
booting me out, I get hot and get off dredging up old juicy rumors that
remind me of my own childhood "Life with Mummy and Daddy" to torture
Molesting Mikey with and I have absolute orgasms when my lover Kevin calls
him a Child Fucker. I always wanted to be fucked by someone like Big Bad
Mike when I was a kid. My father didn't do anything except smack me around
for being an idiot and trying to get too close to Mommy.
But this last Saturday right here was a special time for me, above all other
Saturdays, since I got to dance with the local bar's old time big slut. She
reminded me of my mother, rest her soul. To the dramatic orchestra playing
in the background, I spun her out across the floor, and the electricity
sizzled in the air. Oh, age had made her once-golden locks turn grey, and
this old slut's proud square jaw now sagged a bit, like my Mom's, but her
eyes still gleamed with that old ice-cold malevolence that makes me think
back on the days that Mother held me in her cold, loveless arms.
She drew me close to her in a daring sweep, like Mommy used to do before she
was going to punish me for being what Father said was "a cringing idiot that
would never amount to anything," and she whispered breathlessly in my ear,
"Oh Craigy, want to know again what I did at Lvov!"
I chuckled to myself -- this story always got me so hot! "Vell,"
she said seductively, "first vee make zem dig zere own grafes. Das ist
such a funny tink to zee, ha ha, all zis judensvine deegin een ze frossen
ground! Zen ve say "Schnell! Take off ze close...""
The music swelled to a crescendo, and the violin sobbed out. I came in my
pants right there, just like I used to do when Mother spanked me, and when
Ms. Web beat me. Unfortunately, I always came too fast; that's a problem I
blame on Michael Aquino. I swooned with passion, like I used to do with
Mommy.
Oh, what a heady night for me! A night of torrid romance and wild
dancing, shared in a way that only two sociopaths could share! Such a
night to remember! It is so much better than spending a night yapping about
Set with Kerry. I'd rather get flamed by Circe than yap about Set with
Kerry.
Mr. Scratch
Priest of Set
Don't forget to visit our Radio Free Setian and hear all about how Mad Mike
and Lashing Lilith stuck their big toes up my butt. I would have proven my
father wrong and amounted to something if it wasn't for them. They ruined
me. I was a Priest of Set. I am a Priest Set. I am a Priest of Set. Oh,
yes I am. No one can take that away from me. Daddy, are you listening?
circe
>her to heh, beat the holy crap out of you like the last one did, or so you
>claim (liar).
>
LOL! Guinevere never beat him up. Puh-leeese! That was one of the funniest
things I ever read on this ng. A grown man that claims to be all dark and
satanic got beat up by a girl! ::::still laughing:::::
---------------
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though
in Hell: Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven - Milton, Paradise Lost
Rik
>You see, I get turned on by looking at Nazi
> studs beating up big boobed bitches.
That's funny - I get turned on by looking at big boobed Nazi bitches
beating up studs.
Har har har.