Denny and Diana to wed!
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The pal added, "He definitely wants to get married before they have any more babies." The source said Denny is "stressed out" because the kids refuse to wear their tin foil hats. The pair are so worn out with their hectic schedules, she with her Michael Aquino obsession and he with his newsgroup posting, that they don't even want to have sex! "Their relationship is so out of kilter, he believes marriage is the only thing that will bring it back around." Silly Denny - if he thinks a piece of paper is going to give their sex life a boost, well, he's kidding himself. Hire a nanny and go on a date!
koriho...@gmail.com
> Looks like there could be wedding news for alt.satanism couple Denny Reno and Diana Napolis! They have six children and both would love to have more kids but according to friends, Denny wants to marry Diana before they add to their family, saying "Marry me, or I'm running away with Michael Aquino."
I would have thought, based on its posts, that 'Denny' has done this
already.
Luv,
Kori
thed...@comcast.net
sir or madam.
As an aside, check out "Mad Pride":
http://www.newsweek.com/id/195694
We don't want to be normal," Will Hall tells me. The 43-year-old has
been diagnosed as schizophrenic, and doctors have prescribed
antipsychotic medication for him. But Hall would rather value his
mentally extreme states than try to suppress them, so he doesn't take
his meds. Instead, he practices yoga and avoids coffee and sugar. He
is delicate and thin, with dark plum polish on his fingernails and
black fashion sneakers on his feet, his half Native American ancestry
evident in his dark hair and dark eyes. Cultivated and charismatic, he
is also unusually energetic, so much so that he seems to be vibrating
even when sitting still.
I met Hall one night at the offices of the Icarus Project in
Manhattan. He became a leader of the group—a "mad pride" collective—in
2005 as a way to promote the idea that mental-health diagnoses like
bipolar disorder are "dangerous gifts" rather than illnesses. While we
talked, members of the group—Icaristas, as they call themselves—
scurried around in the purple-painted office, collating mad-pride
fliers. Hall explained how the medical establishment has for too long
relied heavily on medication and repression of behavior of those
deemed "not normal." Icarus and groups like it are challenging the
science that psychiatry says is on its side. Hall believes that
psychiatrists are prone to making arbitrary distinctions between
"crazy" and "healthy," and to using medication as tranquilizers.
"For most people, it used to be, 'Mental illness is a disease—here is
a pill you take for it'," says Hall. "Now that's breaking down."
Indeed, Hall came of age in the era of the book "Listening to Prozac."
He initially took Prozac after it was prescribed to him for depression
in 1990. But he was not simply depressed, and he soon had a manic
reaction to Prozac, a not uncommon side effect. In his frenetic state,
Hall went on to lose a job at an environmental organization. He soon
descended into poverty and started to hear furious voices in his head;
he walked the streets of San Francisco night after night, but the
voices never quieted. Eventually, he went to a mental-health clinic
and was swiftly locked up. Soon after, he was diagnosed with
schizophrenia. He was put in restraints and hospitalized against his
will, he says. For the next year, he bounced in and out of a public
psychiatric hospital that he likens to a prison. The humiliation and
what he experienced as the failure of the medication were what turned
him against traditional treatment. Since then, Hall has been asking
whether his treatment was really necessary. He felt sloshily
medicated, as if he couldn't really live his life.
Hall and Icarus are not alone in asking these questions. They are part
of a new generation of activists trying to change the treatment and
stigma attached to mental illness. Welcome to Mad Pride, a budding
grassroots movement, where people who have been defined as mentally
ill reframe their conditions and celebrate unusual (some call them
"spectacular") ways of processing information and emotion.
Just as some deaf activists prefer to embrace their inability to hear
rather than "cure" it with cochlear implants, members of Icarus reject
the notion that the things that are called mental illness are simply
something to be rid of. Icarus members cast themselves as a dam in the
cascade of new diagnoses like bipolar and ADHD. The group, which now
has a membership of 8,000 people across the U.S., argues that mental-
health conditions can be made into "something beautiful." They mean
that one can transform what are often considered simply horrible
diseases into an ecstatic, creative, productive or broadly "spiritual"
condition. As Hall puts it, he hopes Icarus will "push the emergence
of mental diversity."
Embracing "mental diversity" is one thing, but questioning the need
for medication in today's pill-popping world is controversial—and
there have been instances in which those who experience mental
extremes harm themselves or others. Icaristas argue that some of the
severely mentally ill may avoid taking medication, because for some
the drugs don't seem to help, yet produce difficult side effects. And
while some side effects like cognitive impairment are surely
debilitating, others are more subtle, such as the vague feeling that
people are not themselves. Icaristas call themselves "pro-choice"
about meds—some do take their drugs, but others refuse.
Mad pride has its roots in the mad-liberation movement of the 1960s
and '70s, when maverick psychiatrists started questioning the
boundaries between sane and insane, and patients began to resist
psychiatric care that they considered coercive. But today the emphasis
is on support groups, alternative health and reconsidering diagnostic
labeling that can still doom patients to a lifetime of battling
stigma. Icarus also frames its mission as a somewhat literary one—
helping "to navigate the space between brilliance and madness." Even
the name Icarus, with its origin in the Greek myth of a boy who flew
to great heights (brilliance) but then came too close to the sun
(madness) and hurtled to his death, has a literary cast.
Although Icarus and Hall focus on those diagnosed as mentally ill,
their work has much broader implications. Talking to Hall, I was
acutely aware just how much their stance reflects on the rest of us—
the "normal" minds that can't read through a book undistracted, the
lightly depressed people, the everyday drunks who tend toward
volatility, the people who "just" have trouble making eye contact,
those ordinary Americans who memorize every possible detail about
Angelina Jolie.
After all, aren't we all more odd than we are normal? And aren't so
many of us one bad experience away from a mental-health diagnosis that
could potentially limit us? Aren't "normal" minds now struggling with
questions of competence, consistency or sincerity? Icarus is likewise
asking why we are so keen to correct every little deficit—it argues
that we instead need to embrace the range of human existence.
While some critics might view Icaristas as irresponsible, their
skepticism about drugs isn't entirely unfounded. Lately, a number of
antipsychotic drugs have been found to cause some troubling side
effects.
There are, of course, questions as to whether mad pride and Icarus
have gone too far. While to his knowledge no members have gravely
harmed themselves (or others), Hall acknowledges that not everyone can
handle the Icarus approach. "People can go too fast and get too
excited about not using medication, and we warn people against
throwing their meds away, being too ambitious and doing it alone," he
says.
But is this stance the answer? Jonathan Stanley, a director of the
Treatment Advocacy Center, a nonprofit working to provide treatment
for the mentally ill, is somewhat critical. Stanley, who suffers from
bipolar illness with psychotic features, argues that medication is
indispensable for people with bipolar disease or with schizophrenia.
Stanley's group also supports mandatory hospitalization for some
people suffering severe mental illness—a practice that Icarus calls
"forced treatment."
Scholars like Peter Kramer, author of "Listening to Prozac" and
"Against Depression," also take a darker view of mental extremes.
"Psychotic depression is a disease," Kramer says. As the intellectual
who helped to popularize the widespread use of antidepressants, Kramer
is nonetheless enthusiastic about Icarus as a community for mad pride.
Yet he still argues that mental-health diagnoses are very significant.
"In an ideal world, you'd want good peer support like Icarus—for
people to speak up for what's right for them and have access to
resources—and also medication and deep-brain stimulation," he says.
For his part, Hall remains articulate, impassioned and unmedicated. He
lives independently, in an apartment with a roommate in Oregon, where
he is getting a master's in psychology at a psychoanalytic institute.
He maintains a large number of friendships, although his
relationships, he says, are rather tumultuous.
Nevertheless, it's not so easy. Hall periodically descends into
dreadful mental states. He considers harming himself or develops
paranoid fantasies about his colleagues and neighbors. Occasionally,
he thinks that plants are communicating with him. (Though in his
mother's Native American culture, he points out, this would be valued
as an ability to communicate with the spirit world.)
On another night, I had dinner with eight Icarus members at a Thai
restaurant in midtown Manhattan. Over Singha beer, they joked about an
imaginary psychoactive medication called Sustain, meant to cure
"activist burnout." It was hard to imagine at the dinner what Hall had
suffered. While he and his "mad" allies were still clearly outsiders,
they had taken their suffering and created from it an all-too-rare
thing: a community.
koriho...@gmail.com
> HA! Twenty bonus points. Too bad we can't find out who you are kind
> sir or madam.
>
> As an aside, check out "Mad Pride":
Hi, Harry --
Pardon me for top posting. Great article. I am by no means an
expert, but the few people I have known that were given prescription
drugs for 'mental illness' were not ill.
One, my cousin-in-law, was actually institutionalized. She freaked
out after she realized that she had gone full-circle: eating her way
up to enough poundage to qualify for bariatric surgery -- having
surgery, plus other procedures to fix mistakes/complications -- losing
100 pounds way too fast -- having numerous cosmetic procedures to fix
the damages from too rapid weight loss -- and then learning how to
game her body and gaining all the weight back, plus more. She is now
a hugely fat semi-invalid with mental health issues. Who could go
thru torture like that and not have issues? What kind of mental
health counselor gave the go ahead for surgery to someone who was only
70 pounds overweight (she's 5 feet 9 inches tall)?
In my own case, the clinic affiliated with a local medical center that
handled my late hubby's rare disease would not send the required
social worker to our home to evaluate our property and my level of
fitness for training to attend to his needs...unless I accepted a
diagnosis of mental illness (without seeing any doctor!) so that they
could start 'treating me' and bill my insurance company. I of course
refused, and wound up handling everything on my own. With excellent
results! It came out in bits from the few professionals that visited
us early on that the goal was to medicate both of us to make us more
receptive to cashing in all our assets, then selling our home to move
to Section 8 housing while my husband was kept alive by machines at
the taxpayers' expense. Yeah, you would have to be crazy to agree to
something like that!
I've seen no evidence that the vast majority of people on these meds
either need them, or are made 'normal' by taking them.
In fact, I am seriously concerned about the sanity of the health care
professionals who hand this stuff out like candy on Halloween. My own
physician never once offered me any of this crap during my husband's
illness or right after he died. One of the reasons why I trust him.
Luv,
Kori
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> In my own case, the clinic affiliated with a local medical center that
> handled my late hubby's rare disease would not send the required
> social worker to our home to evaluate our property and my level of
> fitness for training to attend to his needs...unless I accepted a
> diagnosis of mental illness (without seeing any doctor!) so that they
> could start 'treating me' and bill my insurance company. I of course
> refused, and wound up handling everything on my own. With excellent
> results! It came out in bits from the few professionals that visited
> us early on that the goal was to medicate both of us to make us more
> receptive to cashing in all our assets, then selling our home to move
> to Section 8 housing while my husband was kept alive by machines at
> the taxpayers' expense. Yeah, you would have to be crazy to agree to
> something like that!
That's a story all right... but I don't doubt it. It's a business...
Sorry about the spouse, by the way.
koriho...@gmail.com
Yeah, that's pretty much all it is these days. My uncle was a family
practice physician, and he always told my dad he made more money
teaching the floral industry how to clone valuable plants (this was in
the 1960s) than he did by practicing medicine. He used one of the
spare examining rooms to house the experimental plants, in huge
containers covered with black plastic. Told us kids he stored the
patients who didn't make it in there.
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> Sorry about the spouse, by the way.
Thanks. I know he used to read your posts, and enjoyed the cool links
on comparative religion you often shared. Found alt.sillyness
bookmarked on his laptop.
Luv,
Kori
thed...@comcast.net
Hey Kori:
>
> Pardon me for top posting. Great article. I am by no means an
> expert, but the few people I have known that were given prescription
> drugs for 'mental illness' were not ill.
There's a difference between Miltown poppers (oi, am I dating myself)
and other sorts of "mothers' little helpers" pills and those drugs
used for psychotic and/or schizophrenic states. Some people that are
prescribed Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs and SNRIs
which influence both serotonin and norepinephrine) are given the drugs
alone by GPs and don't have the adjunct of psychotherapy. Most of the
blame IMO is due to the marketing of Happy Pills in the US media by
BigPharma. It's a lot easier for your average overworked physician to
throw what I consider a modern-day nostrum to advertising-driven
patients than it is to tell them to exercise more and try to relax.
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> One, my cousin-in-law, was actually institutionalized. She freaked
> out after she realized that she had gone full-circle: eating her way
> up to enough poundage to qualify for bariatric surgery -- having
> surgery, plus other procedures to fix mistakes/complications -- losing
> 100 pounds way too fast -- having numerous cosmetic procedures to fix
> the damages from too rapid weight loss -- and then learning how to
> game her body and gaining all the weight back, plus more. She is now
> a hugely fat semi-invalid with mental health issues. Who could go
> thru torture like that and not have issues? What kind of mental
> health counselor gave the go ahead for surgery to someone who was only
> 70 pounds overweight (she's 5 feet 9 inches tall)?
Frankly, that's terrible. Like in any profession, there's a percentage
of physicians who are driven solely by profit and could care less
about their patients. Life Phen-Phen ten or so years ago, bariatric
surgery is the new du jour high profit center for many docs that treat
fat people.
>
> In my own case, the clinic affiliated with a local medical center that
> handled my late hubby's rare disease would not send the required
> social worker to our home to evaluate our property and my level of
> fitness for training to attend to his needs...unless I accepted a
> diagnosis of mental illness (without seeing any doctor!) so that they
> could start 'treating me' and bill my insurance company. I of course
> refused, and wound up handling everything on my own. With excellent
> results! It came out in bits from the few professionals that visited
> us early on that the goal was to medicate both of us to make us more
> receptive to cashing in all our assets, then selling our home to move
> to Section 8 housing while my husband was kept alive by machines at
> the taxpayers' expense. Yeah, you would have to be crazy to agree to
> something like that!
I'd agree. You made the right choices.
>
> I've seen no evidence that the vast majority of people on these meds
> either need them, or are made 'normal' by taking them.
More specifically, I'd refer to people like Diana Napolis. In reading
her different posts in alt.satanism, I've come to the conclusion she's
profoundly disturbed (and I'm not, um, a "professional" with the
ability to make a differential diagnosis). Contrast her with your run-
of-the-mill folk that take Paxil or Effexor daily who'd be better
served drinking a glass or wine or smoking a joint every so often.
>
> In fact, I am seriously concerned about the sanity of the health care
> professionals who hand this stuff out like candy on Halloween. My own
> physician never once offered me any of this crap during my husband's
> illness or right after he died. One of the reasons why I trust him.
In their defense, physicians don't have a lot of choices with the way
health care is set up in the US. The expectation is that many patients
have is that there's a "magic pill" that'll suddenly change their life
circumstances. I'd think that most people that regularly post in this
forum understand that those who most implicitly trust what they're
told in Pharma advertising also purchase Vigo and believe in a race of
well-hung Turanian supermen.
Harry
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nopoliss brain being microwaved! Maybe its a pictre of a cia agent
female who got shot in the head before 911 to cover it up. I think Ill
add this picture to several posts because I like it so much and it can
mean anything to anyone!
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