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"Lord Egan" <lord...@churchofsatan.org> wrote in message
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> "Satanism attracts many sophisticated, intelligent people, drawn to its
> principles of individual sovereignty and freedom. However, there is an
> ugliness which lies just below the surface. Satanism also attracts social
> misfits; hateful, self-loathing people who are deadly poison to any
serious
> social gathering or movement! For them, personal power is achieved through
> intimidation, slander and violence." - Lord Egan 2/14/01
I still think mrbators and Arnold RULE! Those guys are way cool!
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Strider
to type this:
> "Satanism attracts many sophisticated, intelligent people, drawn to its
> principles of individual sovereignty and freedom. However, there is an
> ugliness which lies just below the surface. Satanism also attracts
> social misfits; hateful, self-loathing people who are deadly poison to
> any serious social gathering or movement! For them, personal power is
> achieved through intimidation, slander and violence." -
Nah, I'm only here for the dancing naked around the fire bit.
--
Strider
Are you a Klingon, or is that a turtle on your head?
Jessica
> principles of individual sovereignty and freedom. However, there is an
> ugliness which lies just below the surface. Satanism also attracts social
> misfits; hateful, self-loathing people who are deadly poison to any serious
> social gathering or movement! For them, personal power is achieved through
>
> CoS refers to Peter Gilmore's Church of Satan
> FCoS refers to Lord Egan's First Church of Satan
> ToS refers to the Temple of Set founded by Dr. Michael Aquino
>
> The NAMBLA Files
> Airing Our Dirty Laundry
>
> Peter H. Gilmore to his CoS membership:
>
> "You are all our shock troops, our special forces, our
> Waffen SS, and we'd like to see you perhaps interact with
> one another and coordinate your attacks on those who dare
> to try to besmirch our organization, and those of us who I
> think have earned your respect as your leaders."
>
> Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865):
> "Truth is generally the best vindication against slander."
>
> Lord Egan, it has come to my knowledge that you've been accused of child
> molesting and membership in NAMBLA (North American Men/Boy Love
> Association), and I wonder if you'd like to reply to all accusations
> exclusively for the satanic front. To sort things out once and for all.
>
> Hail Satan!
> Benjamin Wiss
> satanicfront.com - first satanic resource
>
> [Lord Egan remarks:]
>
> The strange part is, I've never even been officially accused of molesting a
> child or brought up on charges for ANYTHING - not even a speeding ticket!
> Dr. Michael Aquino HAS been falsely charged, however. During the time Aquino
> was considered an "enemy" of the CoS, these same accusations were flying
> left and right. It was a well organized smear campaign to discredit the
> Temple of Set (ToS). Now the same thing is happening to me. Both Dr. Aquino
> and myself have the distinction of being part of the ORIGINAL alumni of the
> CoS. (My membership goes back to 1970. I was actively involved in a New
> England grotto.)
>
> The early Church of Satan members pose a threat to the current crop of
> nihilistic revisionists. In those early days, LaVey was supposedly a
> freethinker, not a right wing fascist and there was no talk of
> "stratification." We exalted self-determinism, individual sovereignty. I
> remember a time when transgendered people would come to meetings dressed in
> drag. We were the ONE social group people could turn to and not be
> ostracized for being different. Now, I ask you Mr. Wiss, does this sound
> anything like the current crop of LaVey sycophants? You already know the
> answer.
>
> I have always been drawn to radical philosophies and alternative ways of
> thinking. Before 1990, I took a strong interest in certain issues;
> pedophilia, was among them. I subscribed to the NAMBLA Bulletin, Back to
> Godhead magazine (Hare Krishna), nazi journals, socialist newspapers, etc.
> This then, was the full extent of my "NAMBLA involvement."
>
> During this time I was an adept in the Temple of Set. I involved myself in a
> situation where a man was being culled from the herd simply because he had
> published an article in a pedophile publication. I empathized with the man
> and ingratiated myself to him, stretching the truth a bit, here and there
> concerning my involvement with NAMBLA. I then arrogantly proceeded to flaunt
> my alleged "affiliation" to the Temple and deliberately placed myself in
> harm's way, calling their bluff. Why? To the Satanist, FREE THOUGHT IS
> SACROSANCT. Had the Temple garnered evidence that this man was ACTUALLY
> INVOLVED in criminal activity, harming, exploiting kids, etc., I would have
> been entirely supportive of their actions. However, free speech itself is
> not a crime.
>
> Eventually, I snubbed Temple of Set officials - left in a huff because
> somehow I felt "morally superior." The irony is, I was behaving in the same
> fashion as they! Do two wrongs make one right? I have since learned to be
> more tolerant, patient, a bit less theatrical...
>
> Regrettably, I did not save the letter of support I received from none other
> than Peter H. Gilmore(!) chiding the ToS for it's prudishness. It seems the
> leaders of the LaVey cult have no ethics or principles whatsoever - their
> actions are solely determined by which direction the wind is blowing. What
> you will NOT read in NAMBLA Files are hundreds upon hundreds of hateful,
> obscene messages from Gilmore's lackeys - threats, pedophile and bestiality
> accusations hurled across the internet via message boards, newsgroups and
> private e-mail.
>
> Long Live the Satanic Alliance!
> Lord Egan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> Owen, the confused communist wrote:
>
> "It is more than well known that FCoS has been the real-world bane of the
> CoS and has caused Magister Gilmore trouble in terms of time and money and
> which resulted in Gilmore's reckless and foolish 'waffen ss' email sent to
> the very people, for the most part, who have turned against CoS now."
>
> [Egan] First I am called a clown, then a villiage idiot, then a clever
> tactician! If my head gets any bigger, I won't be able to fit it through the
> doorway.
>
> [Owen] "Egan has been the worst nightmare ever to hit Satanism, as far as
> the CoS is concerned and, if one objectively views this, as far as *any*
> Satanists are concerned. His *flagrant* support of NAMBLA, his past
> membership which will follow him for the rest of his life",
>
> [Egan] FIRST ERROR!! What of your leader's *flagrant* support of NAMBLA?
>
> From: SVsite (tani_j...@my-deja.com)
> Subject: Re: Child molesters VS FCoS
> Newsgroups: alt.satanism
> View complete thread (7 articles)
> Date: 1999/12/27
>
> Please. I'm gonna say this and will probably be flamed from all sides - but
> I'm gonna say it anyway.
>
> First, my grandmother had 4 kids by the age of 16. I had 2 by the age of 16.
> I'm a grandmother and am 49. This is NORMAL in my culture.
>
> Second. NAMBLA is a legal organization, I think it's gay, it refers to gays.
> I don't care what anyone, or even what I personally, think of it. It's
> LEGAL. These people were never accused of a crime but these people are in a
> Satanic org. This is like when someone that himself was accused of molesting
> a kid - accused the leader of OTB of being a pedophile! Is this crazy or
> what? Yet the leader of OTB never did anything illegal and the person
> accused of molesting a kid was also innocent - but he suffered due to this
> accusation.
>
> This is really WRONG to flame using these kinds of tactics. We are ALL
> Satanists - does anyone want the xians to get on ALL OF US? They won't make
> the distinctions between our organizations that we make - believe me - and
> they are taking over the whole fucking Republican party lately. Xians
> consider Wiccans and Hindus to be Satanists too; they do not make
> distinctions.
>
> We are a TINY minority. Flame another way - PLEASE.
>
> Tani Jantsang
>
> [Egan] And then there is Tani Jantsang's strongly-worded support of
> pedophilia in a personal letter to me. http://churchofsatan.org/tani.jpg
>
> [Owen] "and his harassment of young boys (such as Debbie Quinley's young
> son) with overtures of sex threatens to unleash SRA on us all, once again,
> if only a complaint is made to real authorities and not just shown to Org
> Leaders."
>
> [Egan] SECOND ERROR! You got this second-hand information from Les Masters
> and as usual, it is entirely false. First of all, you are referring to Jason
> Bevill who ISN'T EVEN Quinley's son! Jason came to the Quinleys to get away
> from an abusive home. He had hopes that Jerry Quinley would adopt him. It
> wasn't long before Jason realized he had fallen into another trap.
>
> Jason privately messaged me in IRC chat to tell me he had found a job and
> had left the Quinleys for good. He felt an urgent need to tell me HIS side
> of the story, before the Quinleys told me theirs;
>
> It appears Jason had been assigned the duty of housekeeper and nanny - it
> was his job to feed and change the Quinley baby and keep her kids amused,
> occupied. When I asked what mom Deb Quinley was up to, Jason explained that
> she would sit at the computer all day long, puffing marijuana cigarettes.
> Everything came to a head when the drug dealer arrived at the house to drop
> off Deb's stash - she went to her purse and could not find the money she had
> set aside. Deb accused Jason of thievery. I asked Jason where the money
> might have gone. He blamed the episode on Deb's lapses of memory due to drug
> use.
>
> I then related to Jason that I had thrown Deb off the FCoS Council because
> she had exhibited paranoia. Deb Quinley accused me of BEING Arnold Friend
> (Joe Necchi), Gaaryth Manson, and other Council Members. She told everyone
> that these names were attached to fake email addresses all owned by me - it
> was part of a conspiracy to ensure council decisions would always swing my
> way. Brilliant plan! Wish I had thought of it.
>
> Nearing the end of this chat with Jason, I received a private message from
> FCoS Magister Les Masters. He wanted to know who I was chatting with. I told
> him and he appeared upset. I told Les that Jason was having personal
> problems and it's not unusual for me to get messages from troubled
> individuals. I reassured Les that he would always be number one as far as my
> feelings of affection were concerned.
>
> [Owen] "Where from did Les Masters get specific pictures of Egan having sex
> that were *not* featured on the original Schlessinger website? No one asked
> that. Where? From the Quinley boy - a *young* minor. Egan sent them in his
> efforts to be what he is so well known to be: a pest. Now, if this ever
> spilled out into the public, it would be very bad. :) Sit down."
>
> [Egan] THIRD ERROR! Yes, DO sit down, because you're going to hear the real
> story;
>
> You seem to ignore the actual nature of my relationship with Les Masters. He
> was my romantic interest. THAT's why I put him on my Council. Unlike your
> pristine communist leaders, I make mistakes. I admit to them and LEARN from
> them. I uploaded those specific pictures to Les Masters AT HIS REQUEST. We
> even engaged in cybersex... together with Katherine Wallace. The reason I
> dismissed Les from the Council is because I caught him lying. I was also
> angry that he did not approach me concerning Ron Mershon, but decided to air
> his grievances publicly. Les Masters felt jilted, betrayed emotionally. He
> vowed revenge and built the defamatory NAMRU website.
>
> In the aftermath of this ordeal, I came to realize that because of tabloid
> trash like you, Owen, people in the spotlight CAN'T have any kind of
> personal life. Like celebrities in Hollywood, I find I'm distancing myself
> from EVERYONE. I find myself apologizing for things other people take for
> granted! What cruel irony! It appears there are trade-offs in life and I
> simply will have to get used to it.
>
> [Owen] "There is also the matter of David Golgotha, in Australia. He was
> convicted of having sex with a *6 year old girl* - but he was put on
> probation since it was judged that he had a mental/physical disorder. David
> Golgotha was one of the Founding Fathers of the FCoS; not just a mere
> member."
>
> [Egan] This is the ONLY thing you got right. Even so, you omitted a few
> details. You will probably want to reach for your jar of lubricant for this
> one, Owen;
>
> David was staying at his girlfriends house. One morning he was awakened by
> the children. The six year old straddled him, essentially bouncing up and
> down to get his attention. He became quite aroused by this. After a short
> while, Dave was overcome by feelings of guilt and nausea. He arose from his
> bed, stepped outside and promptly ejected the contents of his stomach. He
> then made a phone call to the local authorities and TURNED HIMSELF IN. He
> voluntarily stepped down from the FCoS Council - I insisted that it be HIS
> call.
>
> It's strange how Satanists speak of people being ultimately responsible for
> their own actions. Well, David Golgotha did NOT run and hide - he did a just
> and honorable thing and I applaud him for it.
>
> {additional note: I was contacted by Mr. Golgotha via email. He stated he
> was never convicted of child abuse under Australian law, since he did turn
> himself in before a complaint was ever filed. So, I was in error when I gave
> Owen credit - he couldn't even get that right!}
>
> [Owen] "There is the matter of the 'Lolita' website featuring pictures of
> minors in acts of pornography and labeled 'art.' The server itself took this
> down but it was identified as having Egan's ISP."
>
> [Egan] FOURTH ERROR! This is one I never heard before. I wish I could take
> credit, since I love shocking people, but I'm afraid I can't. Maybe I can
> construct a similar website, just for YOU, Owen!
>
> [Owen] "Last but not least, there is 'Dark Dreamer' another pedophile which
> Egan defended on his radio show as having *only written* fantasies about
> such acts; well, he also had links to child pornography."
>
> [Egan] It appears you are on a witch hunt. Dark Dreamer has done absolutely
> nothing wrong. I suggest people visit his website, email him, ask him
> yourself!
>
> [Owen] "Needless to say, the CoS's 'investigators' knew nothing of any of
> this. The SR certainly did but for legal reasons could not come forth with
> it -and as Tani told Gilmore, she was advised by her associates to 'lay off
> Egan' due to the legalities - and so did Egan's own people know about this,
> including the majority of them that long resigned but kept silent."
>
> [Egan] Of course! The Satanic Reds have credited themselves with illegally
> hacking into my computer, which is a federal crime. Any Satanic organization
> which claims to have "investigators" which go on fact finding missions to
> dig up dirt on their enemies is by definition a CULT. The Satanic Reds are
> nothing more than the CoS WITH the Dark Doctrines.
>
> [Owen] "FCoS, as is well known, exists because Egan wants to 'get' Peter
> Gilmore."
>
> [Egan] WRONG AGAIN! I began the FCoS to teach CoS priest and media
> representative Andre Schlesinger a lesson. He sadistically abused newcomers
> to Satanism via the internet, referring to them as "FUK N' DOLTS" and
> "MORONS." It sickened me that CoS leadership found his vicious tirades
> charming, admirable. Had this man been excommunicated from the CoS at any
> time, I most definitely would have packed my bags and gone my merry way. Now
> it's too late. Peter Gilmore was the man responsible for re-enforcing my
> determination to remain and change the face of Satanism.
>
> The FCoS practically began as a joke - then it evolved into something very
> meaningful; the revival of free thought Satanism.
>
> [Owen] "Egan wanted to be the High Priest of the CoS and was told to take a
> hike by the legal Administrators of the CoS."
>
> [Egan] LOL... guess what? This is a true story! At the time, I felt the CoS
> was rapidly slipping, fading. I wanted to rescue it, breathe new life into
> it as its new chief administrator. Now I am repulsed by the very idea.
>
> [Owen] "It is to the discredit of the CoS, a show of their own incompetence,
> that they were unable to deal with a perverted fool like Egan for over 2
> years."
>
> [Egan] Funny how Satanists have adopted religious code words like
> "perverted." Funny and sad.
>
> [Owen] "The other problem that was only a potential was the leaving of CoS
> members really able to conduct surveillances of enemies and 'get' people"
>
> [Egan] There we go with that "surveillance" word once again. Surveillance
> and investigation. Investigation and surveillance.
>
> [Owen] "and their joining en masse the SR group which already did exist long
> *prior* to any of the fights Tani had with the CoS online. Now there is no
> problem, as the SR website states, if the CoS leaves them alone and stops
> harassing organizations on the Satanic Council. The CoS has backed off. They
> have limited their online and real world harassment to people within their
> own organization, such as the satan2000 people who have a rather large
> store; in fact, the store *is* their business and they *are* rich. The fact
> remains that CoS never harassed the SR."
>
> [Egan] Good for you.
>
> [Owen] "SR existed in 1997, this is true, and it never came into existence
> to go *against* anyone. It was positive from the start."
>
> [Egan] If this post is any indication, one can clearly see the Satanic Reds
> are NO LONGER "positive."
>
> [Owen] "At worst, the SR can definitely *make* people back off."
>
> [Egan] Goodness! A positive statement followed by a threat. How unusual.
>
> [Owen] "Whether or not they'll clean up the CoS's worst nightmare remains to
> be *not* seen; as they say, it won't happen online, just as what really
> happened to Mershon did not happen online."
>
> [Egan] More threats.
>
> [Owen] "Where does Egan fit in? One of his people, or he himself, joined
> the Council which put him into the category of 'Council Org.' Therefore,
> the policy was, indeed, 'hands off.' Neutrality. Not alliance. Neutrality.
> Behind the scenes, however, things were far from neutral due to Egan's
> obsession with Les Masters"
>
> [Egan] or VICE-VERSA
>
> [Owen] "and the rest of the baggage that followed Egan around as badly as
> AIDS might afflict a person for life."
>
> [Egan] You have such a way with words, klippoth!
>
> [Owen] "Now, this recent flare up of Egan's hysteria, and his creating of
> new fantasy to hide from himself, began with WolfAtHart of the CoS starting
> a fight and pro-Nazi Rodeo tuff continuing it. Interesting to note that all
> these people are 'into Satanism' as if Satanism is a kinky sex club."
>
> [Egan] You are correct. Satanists should ABSTAIN from sex at all times!
> <sarcasm off>
>
> [Owen]
> "SR is not about that, however, and keeps those types out."
>
> [Egan] Well, I suggest you start with Les Masters.
>
> [Owen] "Who benefits from what surely *appears* to be a fight between SR and
> FCoS? Who stirred it up? A CoS member, Epperhard, desperately wanting to get
> in the good graces of the CoS started it up. Who falls for it?"
>
> [Egan] You did. And you still haven't figured it out.
>
> [Owen]"Anyone on here stupid enough to imagine alliances where there are
> none at all, and then imagine there is something special going on. We all
> knew that Egan was incredibly self-destructive; but the extent of it is
> truly mind-boggling. Considering he is "turned on" by all of this, sexually
> aroused, it becomes unfathomable, at least to me. Why on earth would anyone
> be aroused by a 500 pound person who can't walk, but has to waddle, with
> mounds of drooping flesh sagging from his every part, who fancies himself a
> Higher Being? --Owen--"
>
> [Egan] Is THIS how the SR forms "positive alliances," Owen? Interesting.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> Subject: Re: Satanic Animal Sacrifice!
> From: (RMerciless)
> Date: 2000/02/07
> Newsgroups: alt.satanism
>
> This post by Egan is yet another of his tidbits of idiocy.
>
> No Satanist really gives two shits about how orthodox jews prepare their
> food. No Satanist is concerned one bit that others use proper sanitation.
> They are all on their own.
>
> Egan claims to speak for all Satanists when he says that none of them kill
> for any reason other than self-defense or food. This is silly, first because
> Egan himself is not a Satanist he really cannot speak for even one. Second
> is the obvious fact that some Satanists kill for clothing, sport or
> convenience. (People who own leather clothing, mouse traps, and hunting and
> fishing equipment do this as well.)
>
> It is especially entertaining to see Egan, (John Dewey Allee), a
> self-proclaimed member or former member of the North American Man Boy Love
> Association, feigning concern about "teaching children." The only thing
> "Lord Egan" is interested in teaching children is how to overcome their gag
> reflex. Lord Egan is a disgustingly fat pedophile masquerading as a Satanic
> High Priest as a way to further his sexual perversions and mask his personal
> failures as a washed up lounge singer and failed graphic artist.
>
> He has long since abandoned actual Satanism.
>
> Lord Egan's previous public statements demonstrating all of the above are
> readily available through Usenet archives and are frequently re-posted here.
>
> - R. Merciless
>
> [Lord Egan responds:]
>
> Unless you can prove that I've actually molested a child, these accusations
> amount to slander; nothing more, nothing less.
>
> I am posting this message to announce that my issue is Unity and my
> "outrage" is freedom of THOUGHT. To wit, people have the right to THINK
> whatever they want, as long as it doesn't encroach the liberty of another
> human being. So, allow me to answer the questions I have been asked and will
> continue to be asked for as long as I live;
>
> Have you ever been a member of the Nazi Party?
> No, but I will defend to the death their right to exist,
> even if it means joining and taking up their cause.
>
> Have you ever been a member of NAMBLA?
> No, but I will defend to the death their right to exist,
> even if it means joining and taking up their cause.
>
> Have you ever been a member of the Church of Euthanasia?
> No, but I will defend to the death their right to exist,
> even if it means joining and taking up their cause.
>
> Ever been a Communist, Scientologist, Hare Krishna?
> How about the National Rifle Association?
> No, but I will defend to the death their right to exist,
> even if it means joining and taking up their cause.
>
> I am posting this message to announce that my issue is Unity and my "crime"
> is freedom of THOUGHT. To wit, people have the right to THINK whatever they
> want, as long as it doesn't encroach the liberty of another human being.
> Unity must always begin with Freedom of Thought.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> "Diablo" wrote in message:
>
> Lord Egan was trying to persuade me to join his side but the accusations of
> NAMBLA membership and AIDS have dissuaded me. If these accusations are
> untrue then this is clearly a case of libel and defamation of character if I
> ever saw one. Why hasn't Lord Egan filed a lawsuit in response to these
> charges? These charges are harming Lord Egan's reputation as head of the
> First Church of Satan and he really should sue for damages...unless the
> charges are true.
>
> [Lord Egan responds:]
>
> I have claimed to belong to several different organizations. NONE of these
> claims are true. I was attempting to dramatize this point; AFFILIATION
> SIGNIFIES NOTHING - it tells little of a person's character. My
> self-described enemies are well aware of my opinions and feelings because I
> have stated them numerous times, over and over and over again! And yet they
> still slander because, KNOWING THIS, they deliberately attempt to repeat
> comments taken out of context.
>
> If some of you out there feel swayed or intimidated by flame wars in an
> internet newsgroup, I feel sorry for you. These attacks against me reflect
> the systematic use of negative propaganda. Being a public figure, I could
> never take all these people to court - I simply don't have the time or
> money. Also, I could be doing something more constructive.
>
> Those of you who are relatively new to the internet may find it hard to
> believe that there are LaVeyan Satanists out there whose sense of self-worth
> is measured by the amount of time they spend denigrating others. When Anton
> LaVey spoke of "Man's ugly habit of elevating himself by defaming others" he
> excused that type of behavior! Truly, this is the most revolting display of
> demagoguery I have ever witnessed. The witches have become the witch
> hunters!
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> From: (SatanaSin)
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:13 AM
> To: lord...@churchofsatan.org
>
> Subject: A Problem!
>
> Greetings Lord Egan:
>
> I am the founder of The Demonic Demagogue. There seems to be a slight
> problem with the membership in my organization. It is apparent that some of
> my administrators have a direct link to you. I do not have a problem with
> that - what I have a problem with is the accusations of your involvement
> with NAMBLA. I do not have a problem with FCoS nor do I care to engage in
> petty arguments. I trust that you will e-mail me back with a response. The
> individuals that I am referring to are: Brian Nalls and Christopher Parker.
> I know this matter can be resolved momentarily. Let me know.
>
> Sincerely, Donald L. Swain
> The Demonic Demagogue
>
> [Lord Egan responds:]
>
> Involvement with NAMBLA? I am confused. There are quite a few emotional
> "buzzwords" floating about in the ether and that happens to be ONE of them.
>
> You have a problem? Well, let's just say I have a major problem with
> Satanists who respond in a Pavlovian manner to negative propaganda - who
> think with their hearts instead of their brains. Even if I were involved in
> such an organization, what difference would that make? Have we now joined
> the ranks of the "thought police?" Guilt through association proves nothing.
>
> No, I am not involved with NAMBLA and I am very disappointed in the fact
> that you did NOT ask the following questions;
>
> Have you ever been convicted of sexual assault, Lord Egan? NO.
> Did you ever advocate breaking any federal or state laws? NO.
> Would your own code of conduct lead you to rape a child? NO.
> Do you question the validity of certain statutes? YES, all the time!
>
> I've painstakingly outlined all my positions on drugs, animal sacrifice, age
> of consent laws in our Frequently Asked Questions
> http://www.churchofsatan.org/faq.html
>
> Donald, I am being quite serious when I tell you that the CoS has
> degenerated into a cult. The same people responsible for this repetitive
> slander or defamation of character, are also committed to blackmail,
> harassment and destruction of personal property.
>
> Agree or disagree, the organization that you mentioned, NAMBLA, is a legal,
> non-profit entity, registered and operating under the watchful eye of the
> federal government. But I am not talking about "possible" criminal behavior
> or "inferred" sexual deviancy. I am talking about the CoS: a personality
> cult that is actively dangerous, criminal and flailing itself to death since
> the passing of Mr. LaVey.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> May 29, 2000
> Robert Merciless, despite numerous clarifications, wrote for the hundredth
> time:
>
> ATTENTION PARENTS:
> The poster of this original message, John Dewey Allee of Salem, MA (a.k.a.
> "Lord Egan") has previously admitted here publicly that he has been a member
> of NAMBLA.
>
> [Lord Egan responds:]
>
> And now, a strange and cruel twist of irony...
>
> Today is Memorial Day and I've been forced to give up coffee - the acid was
> responsible for a minor ulcer and I can no longer take any chances with my
> health. This was my solitary vice - now it is gone. I do not drink, do not
> smoke, do not use recreational drugs and have nothing remotely resembling a
> sex life! At the same time, I am a public figure, under the spotlight,
> representing Satanism, defending the free will of others to responsibly
> pursue love and pleasure in their own lives.
>
> You cannot even begin to imagine what a low-life hypocrite Robert Merciless
> is. He casts frequent, mindless, hollow aspersions on my character, while I
> defend HIS right to imbibe, smoke pot and attend an S&M sex club in
> Maryland. I know who Robert's friends are and where he hangs out. Not once
> have I criticized his pursuit of pleasure. However he and his small group of
> friends are OBSESSED with me! These Usenet trolls hide behind a wall of
> anonymity, hurling invectives, applying propaganda in a negative fashion as
> to slander and discredit people who are not members of Miss Barton's group.
>
> For instance, they repeat buzzwords like "NAMBLA" numerous times in this
> newsgroup the same way conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh flouts the
> word "liberal" every other minute. Using negatively charged words do ignite
> painful memories and can warp judgment, but as a technique it tends to wear
> thin after a while. Besides, why would you as a Satanist wish to do this?
> Isn't Satanism all about stripping away the layers of blindness and
> confronting the hypocrisy of religion? How can you employ the same
> techniques Christians have used for centuries and still call yourself a
> Satanist?? Do you really believe this is a step toward the Ubermensch? Guess
> again.
>
> Christianity is involved in the systematic trashing of all paradigms which
> do not conform to their own. Robert Merciless is involved in the systematic
> trashing of all paradigms which do not conform to his narrow view of the
> universe.
>
> Christianity has need of a personal scapegoat onto whom they can project the
> sins of the world. Hedonist Robert Merciless has found a personal scapegoat
> (Lord Egan) onto whom he can project blame for all his sexual peccadilloes,
> thus alleviating himself of guilt.
>
> Wannabe Robert Merciless is childish, living in a world of make believe on
> the internet, pretending to be something he is not... a Satanist.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> DEALING WITH ADVERSARIES
>
> In yet still another attack against one of our FCoS Illuminati Council
> members, the CoS once again rears its ugly head. This attack is especially
> crude considering the fact that Magistra Garrett is a movie actress, model
> and mom - her physical appearance is extremely important.
>
> The following email was sent to me by Jessica's brother, Christopher while
> she was in the hospital. Please notice how these thugs single out
> defenseless women - they are such COWARDS. Jessica's bones may be broken but
> her spirit is very much intact - nothing can destroy our sense of Unity and
> purpose.
>
>
> Long Live the Satanic Alliance!
> Lord Egan
> First Church of Satan
> Salem, Massachusetts
> http://www.churchofsatan.org
>
> (from Chris Garrett)
>
> Against my advice, Jessica has been helping a young woman from Toronto
> referred to her from a satanic chat room. Friday evening, after class my
> sister was attacked just a few feet from her front door. She was beaten by
> this young woman and two men with baseball bats. This bitch fortunately was
> arrested. However, the two men remain a mystery to the police. I am not a
> satanist nor do I condone your people's lifestyle (no offense intended).
> However, this doesn't justify almost killing my sister. The most important
> thing to us at this point is that she will be ok. They are keeping her doped
> up, for the pain. She suffered 7 fractured ribs, her right arm was broken,
> and some internal damage. The bruises almost make her unrecognizable. To see
> her this way is heartbreaking.
>
> I am writing to alot of people, perhaps to grasp why this was done. She
> speaks quite highly of you on her website, so I thought perhaps you may be
> able to shed some light. Please don't take my anger personally. However, the
> only people who have threatened my sister's life are satanists. Is this a
> normal behaviour amongst you people? The police have taken a large stack of
> threatening letters and emails and addresses. They are also saying very
> little. Except that this woman is somehow related to a satanic church once
> run by Anton LaVey and is confidential at this time. I am no dummy, I almost
> got sucked into your beliefs. Our father was a driving force. As you can
> imagine, our father and the church will make sure the responsible parties
> pay dearly.
>
> My only request is that if you are contacted by police, and know anything
> please help. Or contact myself, I will be here with my niece until Jess is
> well enough to come home.
>
> Thank-you,
> God Bless,
> Christopher Garrett
>
> (typical CoS response)
>
> In article <15021-39...@storefull-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> blackacidevil wrote:
>
> I am wondering why it is that you blame the COS for everything that goes
> wrong for you and those around you? Okay, lets just say for the sake of
> argument that these attackers where COS members. Does that make the entire
> COS responsible for their actions? If they where republicans, would that
> make the republican party responsible? If some member of the FCoS attacks
> someone, does that make YOU responsible? I don't think the COS is stupid
> enough to have asked any of it's members to physically attack one of your
> members. I'm sure the COS has members stupid enough to commit such an act on
> their own, but I'm sure the FCoS has plenty of morons to. Put the blame on
> the individuals that committed the act, not on an organization they are
> associated with. We all know you have your problems with the COS, but your
> just getting way too paranoid.
>
> (Jessica's response)
>
> Unknown to me, I seemingly become a controversial topic of discussion in
> this forum. Lord Egan was not lying, and is not using my attack as some
> public forum. For you morons who constantly attack the FCOS, your comments
> are fruitless. It has been a few weeks since this all occurred and yes it
> was in our local Newspaper and local news.
>
> I am not just a Magistra of the FCOS. I built and run The Satanic Society
> based out of Canada. I have made some fierce xtian enemies along the way. My
> father is one of the leaders of Victory Christian Church International, and
> he has made enemies in our realm. Due to the complexity of the situation,
> the investigation is stemming into the US. Two people are in custody and two
> more are being investigated. It is convenient that the two in custody claim
> to be COS members, not xtians. But for legal reasons, we can not disclose
> much more than that. If the COS is responsible it will be made known.
> However, it is true that one can not blame an organization for the stupidity
> of it's members. However, I dare anyone of you to say that the COS is not
> capable of such a thing. There was a time when I would not say so, but that
> time has since passed. LaVey would be rolling over in his grave if he knew
> what was going on in the COS' inner sanctum these days.
>
> HP Jessica
> TheSatanicSociety.net
> Magistra/FCOS
>
> (Lord Egan responds)
>
> I feel so vindicated! Choked up when I read this. For years, I kept
> insisting that the attacks were not the work of individuals acting on their
> own behalf, but very well planned, well orchestrated attacks by Peter
> Gilmore and Peggy Nadramia. I must also insist once more that these attacks
> are not limited to propaganda flamewars on the internet.
>
> The biggest weapon in our arsenal against what is essentially a cult has
> always, always been the truth. Feeding their delusions is bad, it only makes
> things worse. On the other hand, exposing their delusions can bring an end
> to this nightmare and inextricably alter Satanism's future. For me, it is
> extremely important that members know the difference.
>
> The Information Age is a thorn in the side of despots - consider LaVey's
> admonition, "The Church of Satan will not have an official website, now or
> ever." Rather than risk obscurity, Gilmore erected a site before LaVey's
> ashes even had a chance to settle! But the internet poses a new problem for
> Peter; the unrestricted flow of information!
>
> Like many cult leaders, Gilmore's objective is to maintain absolute power
> within the CoS strata. This means restricting, piecemealing information,
> declaring yourself the standard-bearer of the "elite" to which others must
> prove themselves worthy! In times past, dictators seized immediate control
> of the media; newspapers, television, radio. Now with the internet and
> advanced telecommunications, the rules have changed. Secrecy is losing its
> charm, its power! This is the Age of Lucifer (the Enlightenment).
>
> For our Alliance to succeed we must adhere to the current aeonic stream. If
> you wish to annihilate the Gilmore machine, the formula is simple;
> "destruction through revelation." In other words, tell the truth! At first,
> people will hate your guts, but strangely enough they remember. I've had
> people apologize because they lashed out at me over some comment I had made
> months earlier. People remember and they do appreciate honesty.
>
> Subject: Taunting the FUQ(d)cos
> From: (Xloptuny)
> Date: 1999/11/10
> Newsgroups: alt.satanism
>
> To dipshit dewey, the lard of retard(s), and his two remaining members of
> the FUQ'd cos (counting scruffy the wondermutt, who -loves- A-1 steak
> sauce)...
>
> I find it highly amusing that every domain name stolen by allee, Q-Tip
> protruding from his flaccid, one-inch, seahorse-shaped excuse for a cock
> (that's not what yer dad meant when he told you to 'go rod the rifle,'
> genius), now leads to the website of the ONLY Church of Satan. Not only can
> allee not form a single original thought on his own (even with his desperate
> prayers), but now that which he misappropriated from the Church of Satan is
> denied him and his ilk (the non-spelling, crack-smoking, dog-fucking losers
> which flock to him in droves of one) he sits alone in front of his computer
> with six Brillo pads jammed up his lardass, nipple clamps on his nostrils
> (allee ain't the sharpest tack in the box, after all), and A-1 sauce
> slathered all over his balls...crying to an uncaring universe: "Please
> Father Satan God Devil Lover, let me just once have an original thought!"
> *laughing in extreme derision*
>
> Here's a thought, allee: why don't you pry your fat, out of shape, lardass
> offa Scruffy the Wondermutt and try thinking? Oh, that's right...actually
> trying to -think- for yourself could set some sort of embolism loose in your
> Ernest Borgnine-lookin' skull. Not that said embolism would do any damage,
> as it is clear that allee 'thinks' with his stomach. I received pictures
> from an anonymous source the other day showing allee scarfing a Folger's can
> full of oily lugnuts...caption: "Motherfucker was hungry, but god DAMN is he
> stupid!"
>
> And while I'm taunting you FUQ'd cos wastes of my mate's air, I have to
> laugh at those fcos members (is it really plural, or does allee just have as
> many screen names as he does chins? Chrissakes, the man has more chins than
> a Chinese telephone directory... *smirk*) who "cursed" me. They swore that
> my "legs would brake!" *howling with laughter* Who am I, Fred fucking
> Flintstone, trying to stop his car for some spareribs?! Of course, the
> fcosers are as pathetically inept in their opposing thumbless grasping for a
> power tool empty misapplications of GBM as they are in real life (fcos
> motto: "Would you like fries with that?")...and so, not only have my legs
> not "braked" but I am just as happy, healthy, and productive as ever if not
> moreso. The simpleton sheep who populates the FCoS (yes, that subject -was-
> in the singular!) has no more power than Christopher Reeves trying to light
> his own cigarette!
>
> Living better and loving more strongly than any of you simpletons ever
> could,
>
> --Xloptuny
> Founder and Head Instructor, Satanic Combat Sciences
> "Iron-Handed, Death-Defiant, Mighty-Minded!"
>
> (note: seven months following this post, "Mighty-Minded" Xloptuny took a gun
> and blew his brains out.)
>
> So, you think Satanism will liberate you from guilt, fear and religious
> indoctrination? That all depends! Be careful with whom you associate. It's a
> minefield out there and truth is often the first casualty. These fascists
> will often utilize propaganda to malign their critics - telling The Big Lie
> over and over again, making the same insinuations until said lie is accepted
> as FACT.
>
> Games of psychological warfare are short-lived. So-called "lesser black
> magic" is a tool for fools who lack creative potential - instead, they
> choose image over substance and haplessly prey upon the weak. A recent
> example I've given to FCoS members;
>
> I'm constantly goaded about my sex life. As we know, politicians here in
> America are damaged goods once it is discovered they've had sex outside the
> bonds of heterosexual matrimony. Apparently, many people CALLING themselves
> Satanists feel the same way toward their representatives and expect them to
> stand there and BLATANTLY LIE to the public. Well, I refuse to play that
> game because it hypocritically defies in essence that which is rational,
> natural and Satanic.
>
> To prove a point, I posted a message conveying that, growing up, I sexually
> experimented with friends and siblings (and really, who hasn't?) Sure
> enough, it was posted on a website as "proof" of Lord Egan's depravity by
> some self-described "Satanist."
>
> It seems people need reassurance;
>
> "Lord Egan, if you DID have sex as a child, please tell us you were raped.
> ONLY THEN can we accept you as our fellow klippoth!" ( A klippoth is one who
> embraces annihilation.)
>
> "If you put the marijuana cigarette in your mouth, please tell us that you
> did NOT inhale! If you put the vagina in your mouth, please tell us that you
> did NOT perform cunnilingus! And goodness gracious, if you put a penis in
> your mouth, PLEASE TELL US THAT YOU DID NOT PERFORM FELLATIO!"
>
> "Lord Egan, you have only two choices! If you are not a victim, you MUST be
> a predator! NAMBLA! NAMBLA! NAMBLA!"
>
> The point I'm getting at is this;
>
> It would appear to me that Satanism should be leading people AWAY from
> Christian guilt and mind numbing oppression, not towards it. This is not the
> Satanism I was acquainted with back in the sixties. For years, LaVey &
> Company have exploited the neuroses of those seeking to cast OFF the yoke of
> fascist oppression. Now finally, it appears they may end up destroying
> themselves. What follows are actual posts from CoS cult followers and my
> responses, which attempt to slice through all the dogmatic bombast and
> vicious slander.
>
> Long Live the Satanic Alliance!
> Lord Egan, High Priest
> First Church of Satan
> Salem, Massachusetts
> http://www.churchofsatan.org
>
>
>
Kevin Filan
"Jessica" <jpaq...@quickclic.net> wrote in message news:9m3tq9
$f1v$1...@news1.mountaincable.net...
* * * * *
Why Do you target yourself? The Nambla files discussion is dead John. You
need not defend yourself to anyone. I am curious however>why Satanists
injest insults and take them so personal. It goes without saying that if you
open a can of worms in a place like alt. you will be scrutinized and
insulted. But if you do so DON"T COMPLAIN about being attacked verbally. I
have been under fire>and I could care less.
I must give credit to Tani. If I have learned anything from her>it's to take
no bs from anyone. The only opinion that matters is thine own.
Just my thoughts.
* * * * *
Hey, look! It's Magistra Jessica Garrett! Get beat up by any rampaging
Church of Satan members lately? If not, maybe you'll have some time to...
ohh... provide us with some proof of your last allegations? You know, a
police report, newspaper clippings, that kind of thing. (There's usually a
paper trail following a serious crime: just ask your comrade David
Golgotha...)
Peace
Kevin Filan
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Phosphoros X
"Kevin Filan" wrote:
>Get beat up by any rampaging Church of Satan members lately?
I'm curious. Did Jessica ever actually make those allegation herself,
or was it just Egan? I ask this because I have never noticed her
personally saying anything particularly anti-CoS. I could be wrong,
and would like to see the facts.
Sincerely,
Ron Mershon/Phodphoros
Kevin Filan
"Phosphoros X" <set...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Get beat up by any rampaging Church of Satan members lately?
>
> I'm curious. Did Jessica ever actually make those allegation herself,
> or was it just Egan? I ask this because I have never noticed her
> personally saying anything particularly anti-CoS. I could be wrong,
> and would like to see the facts.
Egan was the first one to make the allegations, in a post entitled
"Courageous Jessica." Jessica Garrett then posted to alt.satanism a few
days later and said "Egan is telling the truth here." So while it appears
to have been Egan's idea, she did nothing to stop it. This makes her
somewhat less ethical than Magistra Katherine Wallace (of the FCoS Dogpatch
Grotto), who resigned along with'n all of her kinfolk after Egan posted the
now-infamous "Schlessinger Bunny Murder" allegations.
Peace
Kevin Filan
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron Mershon/Phodphoros
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/md2/phosphoros
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spitting fire, not sitting looking at a lake and being depressed like some
fucking fairy. - Morgan of Marduk.
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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"Lord Egan" <lord...@churchofsatan.org> wrote:
May I offer the following corrections:
>Dr. Michael Aquino HAS been falsely charged, however.
Neither I nor my wife has ever been charged with any
crime whatever. Faked allegations, yes; investigated for
same, yes; any charges, no.
> ... myself have the distinction of being part of the
>ORIGINAL alumni of the CoS. (My membership goes
>back to 1970. I was actively involved in a New
>England grotto.)
The 1975 Church of Satan membership database shows
a Satanist I° membership in the name of your sister
[A.C. Allee] (#EZZ868), who was a founding member
member of the Amon Grotto in Massachusetts in 1974.
Along with the Grotto Priest and third Grotto founder,
(J.R.) she resigned from the Church in June 1975 and
was one of the original members of the Temple of Set. The
Church of Satan database does not show a separate
membership entry for John Allee.
>I remember a time when transgendered people would
>come to meetings dressed in drag.
That's true; the original C/S was indifferent to trans-
vestites/sexuals. On the last page of the photo section
of Anton LaVey's [auto]biography _The Devil's Avenger_
is a photo of Anton in the 6114 ritual chamber
surrounded by three semiadorned witches, a Tsexual,
and, just to liven/deaden things up, Susan Atkins.
>During this time I was an adept in the Temple of Set. I
>involved myself in a situation where a man was being
>culled from the herd simply because he had published an
>article in a pedophile publication.
That's not accurate. The Temple of Set was alerted to the
fact that one of its I° Initiates, a James Martin of Texas, had
authored an article in a British pedophile magazine. The
nearest Priest of Set proceeded to contact Martin to ask
if he were personally involved in pedophilia. Martin
abruptly resigned from the Temple, then sent me a
letter stating explicitly yes, he was indeed a "pedophile".
>I empathized with the man and ingratiated myself to him,
>stretching the truth a bit, here and there concerning my
>involvement with NAMBLA. I then arrogantly proceeded
>to flaunt my alleged "affiliation" to the Temple and
>deliberately placed myself in harm's way, calling their
>bluff.
Martin alleged that you were [also] a member of NAMBLA,
so you were immediately contacted by the Temple and
asked about that. You responded that while you were
indeed a NAMBLA member, you had never had sex with
any minor, and pledged not to. As a condition of staying
in the Temple, you immediately resigned your NAMBLA
membership, with copy of your letter to the Temple. We
took you at your word, and that ended the matter as far
as we were concerned. You remained an Adept II° in good
standing.
>Had the Temple garnered evidence that [Martin] was
>ACTUALLY INVOLVED in criminal activity, harming,
>exploiting kids, etc., I would have been entirely supportive
>of their actions. However, free speech itself is not a crime.
Martin himself stated in his post-resignation letter to me
that he was a "pedophile", but did not go into any details. As
you know, almost any form of pedophilia, including its
communication (such as child pornography ownership or
transmission) is illegal, the First Amendment not being
considered applicable to it.
[Later on it was then-Setian I° Scott Locklin's advertisement
of Martin's "Ordo Templi Baphe-metis" in his alt.satanism
FAQ, without any mention of Martin's self-acknowledged
pedophilia, that prompted my letter to Locklin saying
that such an advertisement, on a Usenet newsgroup that
might be read by minors, was unacceptable for a Setian
to publish. Locklin flew into a "free speech" fury, resigned
from the Temple, continued to advertise Martin on
alt.satanism (still without any warnings), and began
his still-continuing filth campaign concerning the
Temple of Set and myself.]
>Eventually, I snubbed Temple of Set officials - left in a
>huff because somehow I felt "morally superior."
According to Temple records, you politely and without
any "huffiness" wrote Magister Menschel in November
1992 that you had decided to allow your Temple
membership to lapse at the end of that dues year.
Your departure was equally politely accepted. As far
as the Temple of Set is concerned, you conducted
yourself properly during your tenure with the Temple,
the sole exception being concealment of your NAMBLA
membership. That, however, you remedied with
your resignation letter from it, at your own option
and decision.
Michael Aquino
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People's Commissar
over Horus. His letters became accusatory regarding some sexual matters.
One of your letters shows you accusing him of being obsessed or something
like that, and ego projecting that onto you or the TOS. .
He may have quit NAMBLA - but as you can see (and we are sick to death of
hearing that god damned ugly word associated with Satanism) he STILL posts
about his favorite obsession.
Do you really expect a person who had sex with a child to tell you this
honestly? Heh. OK. Egan has tried to squirm out of this in 100 different
ways, even denying he was a member. Problem: police have records of who
joins that shithole of an org.
So, he lied about being a COS member too. Interesting.
You know, classically, all too well known to the cops, pedophiles lie and
lie to the very end. They have to literally be caught with their pants down
in the act - THEN they fess up in a mountain of tears. Just look at the
cases - transcripts from them. Or ask any cop that dealt with it.
TJ
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"Dr. Michael A. Aquino" <xe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Grand Magister
MISINFORMATION hmmm kinda like directions written in Chinese for the VCR
Hail Thyself
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Dr. Mikey A. Aquino <xe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Dr. Michael Aquino HAS been falsely charged, however.
>
>Neither I nor my wife has ever been charged with any
>crime whatever. Faked allegations, yes; investigated for
>same, yes; any charges, no.
No, you were just "titled," and "processed out of the reserves," and lost
some of your retirement cash, right?
>[Later on it was then-Setian I° Scott Locklin's advertisement
>of Martin's "Ordo Templi Baphe-metis" in his alt.satanism
>FAQ, without any mention of Martin's self-acknowledged
>pedophilia, that prompted my letter to Locklin saying
>that such an advertisement, on a Usenet newsgroup that
>might be read by minors, was unacceptable for a Setian
>to publish. Locklin flew into a "free speech" fury, resigned
>from the Temple, continued to advertise Martin on
>alt.satanism (still without any warnings), and began
>his still-continuing filth campaign concerning the
>Temple of Set and myself.]
Why this is relevant to anything is beyond me, but since he asked for
it...
Molesting-Mikey left out a few details:
1) First off, Mikey has yet to provide anyone with any evidence for
Martin's alleged torts other than "Mikey Says." Considering his track
record in the truthfulness category, this ain't worth a hell of a lot.
2) Mikey also declared any contact information for the Church of Satan,
which he called both "dangerous" and "legally dissolved" if you can
imagine that, to be verbotten.
3) Mikey declared any contact information for the ONA to be verbotten.
4) Mikey declared any contact information for the New Zealand OSV/OLHP to
be verbotten.
5) In fact, Mikey all but declared that the only contact information a
ToSser may provide parties interested in Satanism is the contact
information for the ToS.
Funny, when you fill in the details, it sure looks like a clear "freedom
of speech" issue to me. Dumbfuck. Kind of like Mr. and Mrs Scratch's
expulsion being a clear cut "freedom of association" issue.
A newsgroup FAQ is not, and should never be a sounding board for one
organization's opinion, unless the newsgroup was formed by that
organization for its use. I will point out, yet again, that this is not
alt.setianism, and that a member of the Church of Satan formed this
newsgroup for the express purpose of providing *all* Satanists a forum.
As for any animosity on my part, there was none for a year or two
after my leaving the ToS, which I consider pretty large-minded of me.
You fuckers should have sent me my $50 back. The animosity began only
after Molestin'-Mikey posted Brother Lupo's personal information to
Usenet, when he became frustrated that Brother Lupo didn't just dry up
and blow away.
...and that's what really happened...
-Lupo
"Wit is well educated insolence" -Aristotle <i...@dillenger.io.com>
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>The letters he showed me, between you (Aquino) and him,
>involved an argument over Horus.
I wouldn't call it an "argument", but simply a polite discussion,
as was/is commonplace within the Temple of Set. In a letter
announcing the closing of his _Brimstone_ newsletter on
4/19/91, Allee speculated that the Temple of Set, in paying
inadequate attention to HarWer (Horus the Elder), hence
"is in danger of becoming a body of New Age Zoroastrians".
The tone of my 4/27/91 letter to Allee is reasonably obvious
from the following excerpt:
"... I don't think I would characterize the Temple of Set as 'new
age Zoroastrianism'. Zoroaster, of course, prescribed the worship
of Ahura Mazda and the renunciation of evil, which is merely
another form of dualism (such as Christianity).
"HarWer, the Great Horus, is not a 'devil' of the Setian
cosmology. He is a multi-faceted _neter_ whose conceptual
existence enables Set to limit and define *his* own existence.
HarWer apprehended without Set would indeed appear to be
chaotic, per the experience of Crowley with what he
understood as 'Horus'. Set apprehended without HarWer
would be somewhat like 'the capacity to think without
anything to think about'. One possesses identity not only
because one realizes the existence of *oneself*, but also
because one simultaneously recognizes what one *is not* ..."
>His letters became accusatory regarding some sexual
>matters. One of your letters shows you accusing him of
>being obsessed or something like that, and ego projecting
>that onto you or the TOS.
Again I think this is an overstatement. In one of his
communiques, Adept Allee suggested that the Temple of
Set had "a strong aversion to genitalia, profanity, or
controversy". My 9/13/92 response was to disagree and
suggest he consider whether he might instead have "a
strong preoccupation with them". Again an entirely
conversational letter.
>He may have quit NAMBLA - but as you can see (and
>we are sick to death of hearing that god damned ugly
>word associated with Satanism) he STILL posts
>about his favorite obsession.
If what you really mean is that you are sick to death of
some participants on alt.satanism promoting the "SRA"
myth simply for personal hate agendae, then there are
far more loathsome examples than John Allee, and you
know who they are.
As for Allee himself, I haven't read his NAMBLA-related
posts closely enough to recall what position he's taking.
If it's in support of NAMBLA, then I join with you in
feeling that he should take it out of alt.satanism
altogether, as intolerance of any form of child abuse
or pedophilia has been one of the core principles
of the original Church of Satan and of the Temple of
Set since their founding. Perhaps there is some other
Usenet forum in which NAMBLA-issues are appropriate
for debate, but *not* alt.satanism.
>Do you really expect a person who had sex with a child
>to tell you this honestly?
John Allee had many years as a Setian I° & Adept II°
in the Temple of Set, with many Setian acquaintances
and never a hint of any illegality in which he was
involved. Yes, I and other Temple officials felt that if
we asked him a straightforward question, he would
give us an honest answer. It is our custom to trust our
Initiates unless there is evident reason not to.
The James Martin/John Allee episode was the first time
the Temple had run into NAMBLA. Martin, as noted,
resigned the moment a Priest raised the question of
his attitude towards pedophilia with him. In Allee's
case, I don't think it would have been fair to expel
him for an _ex post facto_ "transgression". So we
took a look at what NAMBLA represented, decided
that it was entirely incompatible with Temple of Set
affiliation, and gave Allee the choice to quit one or
the other, which he immediately did.
Allee told us he had never had sex with a minor, and
we took him at his word. If it turned out later that he
had lied to us, by being convicted of such a crime, for
instance, then just as accordingly his Temple
membership, had he retained it, would have been
cancelled at that point.
As you can see, issues like these play to the bigger
question of just how much *any* religious institution,
such as the Temple of Set, should look over the shoulders
at the private lives of its members. Do it too little and
be accused of tolerating horrible people. Do it too much
and be accused of Big Brother Is Watching You-ism.
So it's a constant judgment call, with no easy formula
to follow.
>So, he lied about being a COS member too. Interesting.
Well, it's possible that his sister, who *was* a C/S member,
brought him along to some Amon Grotto functions. But
as that Grotto was not founded until 1974, that would
have been the earliest Grotto function. The 1966-75
Church of Satan was generally pretty tolerant about
members bringing nonmember spouses or adult relatives
to functions.
Prior to 1974 there were other Grottos active in the
East Coast/New England area, such as the Lilith Grotto
in New York/New Jersey, the Asmodeus Grotto in
Washington, D.C., and various branches of these from
Philadelphia to the NY coastal islands. The Allees could
have visited one or more functions of such Grottos,
or one or more of the Eastern Regional Conclaves of
the Church.
>You know, classically, all too well known to the cops,
>pedophiles lie and lie to the very end. They have to
>literally be caught with their pants down in the act -
>THEN they fess up in a mountain of tears. Just look at
>the cases - transcripts from them. Or ask any cop that
>dealt with it.
That may well be, but to unfairly condemn someone as a
"child molester" simply on the mere *allegation* of it is just
as abominable. American prisons still contain many
accused victims of the 1980s' "SRA" madness who are
obviously innocent, simply because the fanatic prosecutors
and judges who wrongfully put them there haven't
got the decency and the courage to admit what they did
and make amends for it. Perhaps the most obscene
characters are parents who happily climbed on board
the witch-hunt bandwagon, encouraging the tutoring
of their children into recital of the most grotesque
sexual horrors, simply so that said parents could make
some big money and bask in tabloid media glamor.
[These are the parents whom, with their faces
*invariably* blacked out, you see on today's witchhunt
"expose" documentaries, still righteously preaching
that the poor bastards whose lives they ruined should
continue to rot in prison.]
Michael Aquino
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>after Molestin'-Mikey posted Brother Lupo's personal information to
>Usenet, when he became frustrated that Brother Lupo didn't just dry up
>and blow away.
>...and that's what really happened...
Yet when the CoS and it's members posted others private information you were one of those in the crowd that hailed it the work of a genius. In other words as long as it aint you, you're fine with this type of behaviour. How much more hypocritical can you get?! If you actually think anyone has any sympathy for your personal information issue after the way you behaved to same issues of others you are seriously mistaken.
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xganon <nob...@xganon.com> wrote:
>>The animosity began only
>>after Molestin'-Mikey posted Brother Lupo's personal information to
>>Usenet, when he became frustrated that Brother Lupo didn't just dry up
>>and blow away.
>
>>...and that's what really happened...
>
>Yet when the CoS and it's members posted others private information you
>were one of those in the crowd that hailed it the work of a genius.
References.
Otherwise:
Shaddup poltroon, nobody gave you permission to speak.
-Lupo
"it is my conviction.. that the American people, taking one with another,
constitute the most timorous, sniveling, poltoonish, ignominious mob of serfs
and goose-steppers ever gathered under one flag in Christendom since the end
of the Middle Ages, and that they grow more timorous, more sniveling, more
poltroonish, more ignominious every day." -H.L. Mencken <i...@io.com>
People's Commissar
"Dr. Michael A. Aquino" <xe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >His letters became accusatory regarding some sexual
> >matters. One of your letters shows you accusing him of
> >being obsessed or something like that, and ego projecting
> >that onto you or the TOS.
>
> Again I think this is an overstatement. In one of his
> communiques, Adept Allee suggested that the Temple of
> Set had "a strong aversion to genitalia, profanity, or
> controversy".
Yah, that's it. That's NOT accusatory? Oh. Ok.
My 9/13/92 response was to disagree and
> suggest he consider whether he might instead have "a
> strong preoccupation with them". Again an entirely
> conversational letter.
Um, YOU BET he does. From every single male member that walked away from
him, his whining, his nagging - he HAS a "gonad issue." His whining issues
to Kaiden and me, involving us in garbage we did NOT want involvement in, he
has gonad issues.
I know - me and mine have flamed regarding that, calling people genital
names - and also calling people mental names - but that's flames. Street
talk.
>
> >He may have quit NAMBLA - but as you can see (and
> >we are sick to death of hearing that god damned ugly
> >word associated with Satanism) he STILL posts
> >about his favorite obsession.
>
> If what you really mean is that you are sick to death of
> some participants on alt.satanism promoting the "SRA"
> myth simply for personal hate agendae, then there are
> far more loathsome examples than John Allee, and you
> know who they are.
I see people on here trying to accuse you when you weren't charged with
anything, didn't do anything. Yes, I see that. But this Egan thing -
people who saw him on the MSNBC thing reacted very strongly to it. I didn't
think it was a big deal. No one is bringing up the SRA thing regarding Egan
except that he is like a bomb of disaster waiting to go off. And who's
going to distinguish between various Satanic orgs?
>
> As for Allee himself, I haven't read his NAMBLA-related
> posts closely enough to recall what position he's taking.
> If it's in support of NAMBLA,
He would defend their right to do what they do with his life - that's a
quote. And he must have posted this bilge to alt.satanism 100 times at
least since I've been online (and that's not too long).
Let me ask YOU this - were you ever a member of such an organization? NO?
Why not? Well um, guess you never THOUGHT about sex with a child. You
didn't know what that org was? Neither did I. Gee, are we both stupid?
Why didn't we know what it was? Maybe because we never LOOKED for anything
like that? Makes sense. People who join dance clubs - like to dance.
People who join bowling teams, like to bowl. I can't fathom a person
joining a bowling team, expecting to play volley ball. People join things
for reasons that are very obvious. They LIKE it. Joining an org is making
a committment.
then I join with you in
> feeling that he should take it out of alt.satanism
> altogether, as intolerance of any form of child abuse
> or pedophilia has been one of the core principles
> of the original Church of Satan and of the Temple of
> Set since their founding. Perhaps there is some other
> Usenet forum in which NAMBLA-issues are appropriate
> for debate, but *not* alt.satanism.
Well, everyone else has closely read them, and it's all over the damned
place, on his website, whatever. He put the x-rated graphic sex pictures of
him and his lover up where ANY KID could click on here to see it.
Schlesinger did one worse by RE-url-ing them with captions; repeatedly. Why
didn't Egan to go the police? Because he was the source originally. The
co-founder of his FCOS, David Golgotha was in jail for molesting a 6 year
old girl. Did Egan even try to deny this? NO! He posted about it telling
how David bravely resigned from the FCOS due to the potential bad
publicity - oh yeah? No. David was still in the FCOS and is always on cc's
even when Egan was pestering the hell out of Kaiden and me about his
"issues." He approved of it in chat with David. Wanted to set up a
defense fund. David did NOT DENY it - he gave the graphic details of
exactly what he did to that child accusing the kid of seducing him - at the
age of 6, ok. Pele was witness to it (I reposted what she said) and Egan
wonders why people want NOTHING TO DO with his org? Duh.
I never flamed Egan before - if anything I'd "defend" him by pointing out
that Anton did one worse than anything they accused Egan of. I also didn't
know what nambla was. NOR did I believe anything anyone in the cos said it
was, it sounded unbelievable. Looks to me like people can freely say a lot
more than they could say when I was politically very active. We never had
any links to his org for doctrinal reasons - not to mention his theft of our
stuff in a watered down version. But then - I saw the guy from nambla on
TV. Egan brought this garbage onto alt.satanism. He continues to do so -
note the name of the subject of these post threads.
He's lost his mind. He can NOT take responsibility for his own incredible
screw ups. He seems unable to even see, eg, that what Sean Haile is talking
about would COMPLETELY turn a person off and make them think Egan is a waste
product. He is NOT the Egan I wrote back and forth with a little back then,
but then, maybe he was: when he tried to write about personal issues - the
dialogue just stopped. He blamed COS for the most outrageous bullshit. Now
he wants to blame me? Heh, let him.
> As you can see, issues like these play to the bigger
> question of just how much *any* religious institution,
> such as the Temple of Set, should look over the shoulders
> at the private lives of its members. Do it too little and
> be accused of tolerating horrible people. Do it too much
> and be accused of Big Brother Is Watching You-ism.
> So it's a constant judgment call, with no easy formula
> to follow.
The danger is to Satanism - obviously. Especially in today's political
climate. He not only talks about Nambla incessently, but he gets into sex
with animals, condoned David's sex with the 6 year old, whatever. And now
this, another FCOS thing exposed on here. Animal sacrifice. OH, and the
person also killed humans.
One way around it is to have an org that can not be held legally responsible
for any members. In SR, the only kind of "dangerous thing" we have to
wonder about are the IRA and PLP members that join. Yikes. Legally, we are
not responsible for ANYTHING a person who joins does. Inso joining, they
have to agree to specific political statements. We take them at their word.
Thus far, very good. The problem is that we are all Satanic orgs. We are
NOT the Christian church down the road - you aren't , we aren't, Cos isn't,
Lucifer's Den isn't - and some of these orgs, especially the SKO (overseas)-
are BIG. There are a lot of people in them. They are generally very
positive orgs. Outside of this now-mainstream as I see it - are the fascist
groups like ONA - I think CoL got into that, November9.org and a few others
with very few members that come and go.
Faust (Ben Schultz) sent us the new international ruling on websites,
copyrights, responsibility, all that. It's VERY bad. VERY VERY bad. I
think there is link to the TOS on the FCOS website. This new ruling could
be the thing that is causing so many orgs to give up the free advertising
they got from FCOS's website. But there goes Egan, he still mails out OUR
Postulates, with SR as author, in his FCOS package. Telling the man to stop
it - waste of time. It's very pretty, the thing he printed out. But it's
OUR STUFF he's handing out for HIS ORG. We never would link to him in any
way. How do you know he doesn't mail out Setnakt Speaks literature - he did
have/does have? that up there. This causes people to THINK that these orgs
are related. The new ruling on this internet stuff - SUCKS. It places
unreasonable responsibility on people. Haile thought all those listed orgs
were related to the FCOS - including TOS. People thought that unrelated and
independent orgs on the Satanic Council were all FCOS orgs - due to Egan
handing out Mag titles freely. Yeah, it's his way of worming in.
>
> That may well be, but to unfairly condemn someone as a
> "child molester" simply on the mere *allegation* of it is just
> as abominable. American prisons still contain many
> accused victims of the 1980s' "SRA" madness who are
> obviously innocent,
Yes, I know this and the major problem with these innocent people is that,
by some strange neurological dysfunction, they CONFESSED - but were ANY of
those innocent people formerly members of an organization that is all about
pedophilia, condoning it? Did any of them brouse websites that cater to
child porn? Did they have child porn in their homes? NO. Why do you have
Egyptian stuff all over the TOS websites? Well, because you are Setian, and
Set is Egyptian. Why does COS have LaVey stuff all over it's website?
Well, because it's a LaVey appreciation society. Why does SR have
socio-political articles on its website? Because we are a political org.
Why does SR have "dark force in nature" articles in the Dark Tradition area?
Because we are a LHP org. Why does Egan have Nambla stuff on his website?
Why does he repeatedly send his sex pictures to minors such as the son of
that woman that quit (Bonnie knows exactly who she is, name, address, all -
another person who DOES NOTHING about it - definitely not Satanic -
criminally negligent to boot). Why does he repeatedly try to get straight
males or youngsters to be his "boy toy?" Do YOU do that, Dr. Aquino? NO.
Do I do that? NO. Does Gilmore do that? NO.
And if Les Masters, when he was Egan's Mag., did NOT do such damage control
and covering up, there'd be stuff outed that would shock everyone on here.
simply because the fanatic prosecutors
> and judges who wrongfully put them there haven't
> got the decency and the courage to admit what they did
> and make amends for it. Perhaps the most obscene
> characters are parents who happily climbed on board
> the witch-hunt bandwagon, encouraging the tutoring
> of their children into recital of the most grotesque
> sexual horrors, simply so that said parents could make
> some big money and bask in tabloid media glamor.
> [These are the parents whom, with their faces
> *invariably* blacked out, you see on today's witchhunt
> "expose" documentaries, still righteously preaching
> that the poor bastards whose lives they ruined should
> continue to rot in prison.]
I agree, they are criminals, monsters. But you have to also understand,
such things, luridly horrible, DO GO ON.
TJ
>
> Michael Aquino
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>
> Who is that? That's not Egan, I don't think.
>
> There is more than one person using xganon.
>
Well DUH!
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Responding to Scott Locklin, xganon
<nob...@xganon.com> wrote:
>>The animosity began only after Molestin'-Mikey
>>posted Brother Lupo's personal information to
>>Usenet, when he became frustrated that Brother
>>Lupo didn't just dry up and blow away.
>
>>...and that's what really happened...
>
>Yet when the CoS and its members posted others'
>private information, you were one of those in the
>crowd that hailed it the work of a genius. In other
>words as long as it aint you, you're fine with this
>type of behaviour. How much more hypocritical
>can you get?! If you actually think anyone has any
>sympathy for your personal information issue after
>the way you behaved to same issues of others you
>are seriously mistaken.
First let's review the context of Locklin's aversion to
being accurately identified as the author of his
alt.satanism FAQ:
It advertised and provided contact information for:
(1) The post-1975 "Church of Satan" ... without alerting
readers that it was neither a church nor did it believe in
Satan, but was - as Anton LaVey ultimately swore under
oath in his bankruptcy filing, a personal business for his
private profit in direct violation of the requirements of its
original California corporate articles.
(2) The "Order of Nine Angles" aka David Myatt aka
Stephen Brown aka Christos Beest ... without alerting
readers that the "ONA" advocated literal "Satanic" human
sacrifice and published ritual texts containing it.
(3) The "Ordo Templi Baphe-metis" aka James Martin ...
without alerting readers that Martin is a self-stated
pedophile and, as he put it, "user of controlled substances -
one of our subsidiary organizations, the Cultus Cucurbitus,
investigates the magickal uses of psychoactive drugs."
(4) Kerry Bolton aka _The Watcher_ aka _The Heretic_
aka "Order of the Left-Hand Path" ... without alerting
readers that Bolton advocated neo-Nazi racial violence
[and also advertised Martin without any alerts].
Did I think it was unacceptable for a Setian I° in the
Temple of Set to repeatedly publish such a FAQ on
alt.satanism, where it might well be read and referenced
by minors, or even by adults who might then ignorantly
blunder into dangerous situations? Yes, I did; hence my
insistence to Setian Locklin that he discontinue such
advertising immediately.
Did I/do I still consider the Temple of Set the only
authentic, reputable, and responsible religious institution
dedicated to and consecrated by the Prince of Darkness?
Again yes, as I have maintained since its founding in
1975.
So yes, I would without a moment's hesitation have
expected that in a responsible alt.satanism FAQ at
that time, only the Temple of Set would have been
recommended as an organization - and that if the
others-above had been mentioned at all, it would have
been to caution uninformed persons against them
for the reasons cited.
Could Locklin's FAQ have contained Q&As about Setian,
Satanic, or general LHP ideas not necessarily in
accordance with Setian philosophy? Of course;
that's where legitimate freedom-of-speech issues
pertain.
As to the exposure of Locklin's identity as author
of his FAQ, may I quote from a post by "Raven" on
3/24/99:
"Excuse me, has the alt.satanism newsgroup FAQ
suddenly become classified material? It credits
"Scott Locklin (Lupo the Butcher)" in postings from
at least as far back as February 1996, down to this
month (March 1999), and I'd be surprised to learn
that he's been so credited without his consent:
"8 Feb 1996:
http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=138486623.8
"3 Mar 1999:
http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=450885117.9
"DejaNews lists 37 posts or segments from his ID in
which his name appears:
http://www.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?ST=PS&QRY=
locklin&DBS=1&authors=ix@*io.com
"He's made no secret of his name, and here it was
relevant to observe that the post signed "IX Corp."
was from the same person about whom Kevin Filan
and I were disputing whether he had indeed been IX
Corp.'s treasurer, as signed in public at
http://www.corpcreations.com/raves.htm
(again using his real name)."
Q.E.D.
Michael Aquino
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Dr. Michael A. Aquino <xe...@aol.com> wrote:
>Did I/do I still consider the Temple of Set the only
>authentic, reputable, and responsible religious institution
>dedicated to and consecrated by the Prince of Darkness?
>Again yes, as I have maintained since its founding in
>1975.
>
>So yes, I would without a moment's hesitation have
>expected that in a responsible alt.satanism FAQ at
>that time, only the Temple of Set would have been
>recommended as an organization - and that if the
>others-above had been mentioned at all, it would have
>been to caution uninformed persons against them
>for the reasons cited.
And there you have it, right from the idiot's quivering orofice.
-Lupo
"je fermai les yeaux, comme un homme ivre, à la pensée d'avoir un tel
etre pour enemi, et je repris, avec tristesse, mon chemin, à travers les
dédales des rues." -Lautreamont <i...@fnord.io.com>
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>>American prisons still contain many accused victims
>>of the 1980s' "SRA" madness who are obviously innocent ...
>
>Yes, I know this and the major problem with these innocent
>people is that, by some strange neurological dysfunction,
>they CONFESSED
The overwhelming majority of them adamantly maintained
their innocence. You may be referring to some who plea-
bargained in the face of a lynch-mob court atmosphere:
"Would you like to plead guilty to one count of child abuse
and go to prison for 15 years, or would you like to be convicted
of 88 counts of child abuse and spend the rest of your life in
prison?" -or- "Plead guilty to child abuse or we'll indict your
wife, your relatives, your co-workers along with you, and
you and they will all be convicted." *That's* what was taking
place.
>But you have to also understand, such things, luridly
>horrible, DO GO ON.
Yes, child molestation does occur and should be prevented
and punished aggressively. But the use in the 1980s of
"Satanic Ritual Abuse" as a mere vehicle for personal profit,
glamor, and fun was not only reprehensible in itself, but
also made it that much more difficult to focus on *actual*
child abuse - because the scams made such a mockery of
"abuse" allegations. Today accusing people of being "child
molesters" is about as routine on Usenet as calling them
"communist sympathizers" used to be.
Michael Aquino
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Instilled false memories, and etc?
What was the motive - it appears the psychiatric industry was behind it.
There are way easier ways to scam insurance companies than come up with
something so bizarre. Dr. Braun - a big wig in the psych industry, was in
ivolved in this.
Even this convo we are having here, with a thread having this title on it -
it's not good.
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The Temple of Lylyth is going for Church status - or already is one (not
sure - KAIDEN??) - and it is authentic in his reverence for the Princess of
Darkness! The people in it have LEGAL, gov recognized, minister titles and
can perform marriages, baptisms, etc - everything except circumcision. .
SR has legit - totally legit - Dark Tradition information - but SR is not a
church.
The New COS of John Shaw is going for, or already has, Church status.
The COS is an Anton LaVey appreciation society.
The TOS is a Church.
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How did Jim Martin know that Allee was a member of Nambla?
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>The Temple of Lylyth is going for Church status -
>or already is one (not sure - KAIDEN??) - and it is
>authentic in his reverence for the Princess of
>Darkness! The people in it have LEGAL, gov
>recognized, minister titles and can perform
>marriages, baptisms, etc - everything except
>circumcision.
>
>SR has legit - totally legit - Dark Tradition information -
>but SR is not a church.
>
>The New COS of John Shaw is going for, or already has,
>Church status.
Assuming none of these is involved in any fraudulent
or illegal activities (as per the cited inclusions on Locklin's
FAQ), then I would have no problem with these being
referenced on an alt.satanism FAQ.
>The COS is an Anton LaVey appreciation society.
1966-75 it was an authentic Church. 1975-present
it was [from his point of view] his personal financial
business and [from members' point of view] his fan club.
>The TOS is a Church.
That's the generic/legal term under which it is
California-incorporated. Technically speaking, "church"
is a Christian term, while in Judaism you have synagogues,
in Islam mosques, etc. In our Egyptian context we are
officially a temple. But if you or your friends are
incorporating as a religious institution, you will
probably check the "church" box on the form.
Michael Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>Did anyone ever find out why those psychiatrists did this
>to their patients? Instilled false memories, and etc?
Various reasons, money usually being preeminent. Psychiatrists
or non-M.D. "therapists" specializing in "SRA" found themselves
with a boom market in the 1980s' witchhunts. The more "SRA"
victims they identified, the more money they made [for
"play therapy" sessions extending months or years, until the
insurance money dried up], they better they became known as
"witchfinders", and the more they were sought out for the next
scam to come along. Most obviously enjoyed what they were
doing and were as delighted as the parents when they
could successfully indoctrinate the child in question to
recite nauseating sexual stories.
>What was the motive - it appears the psychiatric industry
>was behind it. There are way easier ways to scam insurance
>companies than come up with something so bizarre.
An enormous amount of claims money. And no, particularly
during the 1980s, when this kind of scam was the "new kid
on the block", it was easy to do. It operated under the P/R
cover of "Protect The Children!", which no one was willing
to be "on the opposite side of". Since the recited statements
were supposedly coming from the children, parents were
insulated against defamation lawsuits. And for a long time
"therapists" enjoyed similar legal immunity against lawsuits
from their adult scapegoats. It was a no-risk scam system
for all of the adults involved. That's changed over the last
few years - significantly since too many Mr.&Mrs. Mainstream
Americas began to be victimized, often by their own adult
children.
Michael Aquino
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question.
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>How did Jim Martin know that Allee was a member of Nambla?
Allee sent Martin [and the Temple of Set, and
Peter Gilmore, and ?] an announcement on 7/20/90
saying in part:
"Speaking on my own behalf, and for the entire
_Brimstone_ staff, and as a NAMBLA member in
good standing, we *do not* advocate or practice
'child molestation' or child abuse! Neither do we
encourage or practice the breaking of state or
federal laws!"
Michael Aquino
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>
> Update:
>
> The Temple of Lylyth is going for Church status - or already is one (not
> sure - KAIDEN??) - and it is authentic in his reverence for the Princess of
> Darkness! The people in it have LEGAL, gov recognized, minister titles and
And how much does the Universal Life Church charge to make you a 'legally ordained minister?'
> SR has legit - totally legit - Dark Tradition information - but SR is not a
> church.
No it sure isn't, it's a web site with a mail list.
> The New COS of John Shaw is going for, or already has, Church status.
You mean chump status.
> The COS is an Anton LaVey appreciation society.
A Anton LaVey appreciation society that put Satanism on the map as a recognized and protected religion.
> The TOS is a Church.
Yeah just like the Scientologists!
You always end up sounding exactly like the people you hate Tani, in this case Egan.
Kevin Filan
*snip yet more masturbation about his little career-ending adventure in
humiliation*
Now that Jesse Helms has announced his retirement, I thought I'd honor him
with a few words, and thank him for all that he did in a long and fruitful
career.
In his 30 years in the Senate, Helms was invaluable to liberals and
conservatives alike. For liberals, Helms was the bogeyman fundraisers could
point at. ("Support our cause or JESSE HELMS may get his way!!!") Every
time Jesse Helms made a gay-baiting or a racist quip, the ACLU got another
500 members. Conservatives, on the other hand, used Jesse as their
lightning rod. When you've got Jesse Helms around, it's easy to look like
a political moderate. He was their lovable radical, that kindly curmudgeon
who made his peers roll their eyes and shake their heads.
With one letter, Jesse Helms ended Mikey's chances to be a full-bird
colonel. People on here puff out their chests and throw "curses" around:
Helms ruined Aquino's life with a little dictation and a simple stroke of
his pen. You want to talk about power? Helms had political power, and he
knew how to use it.
Helms is retiring with a full pension and honors, and will forever be
remembered as one of the most powerful political leaders ever to come out of
North Carolina. Aquino got processed out of the Active Reserves and will
forever be remembered as that guy who waxes his eyebrows and who molested
toddlers at the Presidio. Which one was the most Xepered being?
Hail Jesse Helms!
Oh, and Mikey: shut up, childfucker. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Peace
Kevin Filan
People's Commissar
A person like Helms should NOT have that kind of power. You wouldn't be
saying that if this happened to you.
I can't believe you said this. I can't fuckin believe it. Yeah,
"Mastering Satanism" points out that we do live inside of the Christian
encirclement. That rather sucks.
You called him a legal slander. OK? Why do you DO shit like that? You
hate Aquino. Can't you think of something NOT SLANDER to say in a flame?
Something about Set or something doctrinal? Maybe you can't. So you
resort to SLANDER. That is soooooo fucked up. The pity is you don't even
see why it's fucked up, you don't feel one way or the other about it.
People's Commissar
of himself by trying to butt into OTHER ORGS. You, on the other hand,
cowardly shit afraid to put your name on here, have no fuckin idea what you
are talking about.
It it ever came to a high court serious case, what Aquino said about LaVey -
which is what LaVey HIMSELF said under oath, would come to light. You'd
have NO legal protection under religious laws. NONE.
75% of SR people are offline politically active people. You assholes have
NO idea what we do. Obviously. Every guess you morons have made has been
wrong. But that's GOOD! Let's keep it that way.
It doesn't matter what the ULC charges - if you are a minister in the ULC,
you are NATIONALLY recognized by the Supreme Court and the US Gov as a
MINISTER. That's ALL that counts, you blithering idiot.
FYI - I am not a minister with the ULC. Now take that crumb and play with
Kevin Filan
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> Kevin,
>
> A person like Helms should NOT have that kind of power. You wouldn't be
> saying that if this happened to you.
Whether he should or should not is irrelevant. The fact is that he did, and
Aquino did not. Since Aquino claims to be more Highly Evolved than the
average bear, I presume he would be more successful than same. By any
objective standard, Jesse Helms is a far more successful Black Magician than
Aquino.
Besides, Aquino never felt any compunctions while gloating about LaVey's
estrangement from his daughter, his divorce, his bankruptcy, etc. Why
should we feel any compunction about reminding him that mundane America
considers him a filthy child molester?
> I can't believe you said this. I can't fuckin believe it. Yeah,
> "Mastering Satanism" points out that we do live inside of the Christian
> encirclement. That rather sucks.
It may suck, but it's the world we live in. I've always said that any
Satanist who wants REAL political power needs to attend church every Sunday,
particularly in the South. You don't have to believe what the preacher is
saying: hell, most of the people there don't believe it. But you need the
networking opportunities, and the chance to show the world that you're
really a "decent, socially upstanding" citizen. This will help you to gain
political power far more effectively than spouting phrases from *Mein Kampf*
(or *The Communist Manifesto*) while wearing a Baphomet. Satanism isn't
about what ought to be: it's about what IS.
Peace
Kevin Filan
xganon
>I don't 'hate' Egan. What I wrote is the 100% truth. The man made
>a pest of himself by trying to butt into OTHER ORGS.
Why, because he flamed LES MASTERS? HA HA HA. If someone
like that is so crucial to your Satanic Pinkos, you again show
that you are merely the flip side of Allee, and nothing more
than that. You're also currently doing more to publically
link NAMBLA and Satanism than bumbling old Egan ever did.
Kaiden Fox
This is what will be in the upcoming encyclopedia on Satanism by (the
other) Jim Lewis.
The Temple of Lylyth
"In Lylyth we see a true individualist, who refuses to be what her own
husband expects her to be. She becomes a wicked evil character simply
because of this act of defiance in the eyes of 'good' people everywhere,
but when examined by the Satanist, she is merely a kindred soul, who has
experiences very much like our own." -- From The Book of the Black Flame
by Shane Vedvik.
No matter how many times Wiccans should that, "Witchcraft is not
Satanism," the two have much in common. No matter how many times
neo-Pagans attempt to explain themselves, the fact remains, "But… your god
has horns!" To add to the confusion, the Temple of Lylyth seeks to
combine the best aspects of the Wiccan religion with the best aspects of
Satanism. We seek the "highest common denominator" of both. This is a
feminist-oriented Pantheism, a respect for life and beauty, the practice
of magic, and above all a fearless embrace of the dark, hidden aspects of
nature.
The Feminine aspect of deity is something that is, for the most
part, lost to the Western religious tradition. American Satanism is no
exception to this general rule. Historically, different world cultures
have vilified both females and goddesses, especially chthonic goddesses.
Foot binding, witch burning, suttee, are the legacies of such cultures.
Zeus the rapist, the celibate Jesus, and female Bodhisattvas transformed
into men are all mythic-religious examples of male dominance and power
reflected in the religious realm.
As Goddess-Oriented Satanism, the Temple recaptures the ancient
tradition of Shekenah - the Feminine Aspect of God from Jewish Cabala
(called Shakti in Shaivite Nagism). This part of the Divine, vilified and
demonized, is a natural part of the equally vilified and demonized
religion known as Satanism. What makes Lylythian Satanism unique is how
its members feel the Dark force in Nature, which Anton LaVey called
"Satan," as a maternal force. The Temple of Lylyth serves the need of its
members to give praise to the Dark Mother of All Life.
In line with the trend in Satanism towards Humanism and Human
Potential, the Temple of Lylyth places its emphasis not on the worship of
gods or goddesses (who are metaphors at best) but rather on the worship of
self. Rather than narcissism, the Temple defines self-worship as
indulgence, intelligence, and individuality. Lylyth, in this respect, is
a human being. In fact, she is the first.
The Temple of Lylyth was formed October 31, 1999 by Shane Vedvik,
Josh Coker, and Casey Prellwitz in Portage, Wisconsin. June 21st, 2001,
Kaiden Fox succeeded Rev. Vedvik as the Chief Administrator of the Temple,
moving its physical locus to Milwaukee, and concentrating more on the
synthesis between Satanism and Wicca. More information may be found on
the website of the Temple.
Kaiden Fox
For further reading:
Temple of Lylyth website: http://www.lylyth.org
Contact Information:
Temple of Lylyth
PO Box 370124,
Milwaukee, WI 53237-1314
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> It may suck, but it's the world we live in. I've always said that any
> Satanist who wants REAL political power needs to attend church every Sunday,
> particularly in the South. You don't have to believe what the preacher is
> saying: hell, most of the people there don't believe it. But you need the
> networking opportunities, and the chance to show the world that you're
> really a "decent, socially upstanding" citizen.
Or at least attend the least offensive church, e.g. Society of Friends (Quakers).
Say, how about a nice, cozy Buddhist temple? We have a really nice
Buddhist monastery in Bloomington, IN.
Ciao and kisses Kevin :)
Rocio
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>
> "People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote in message
> news:todp529...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Kevin,
> >
> > A person like Helms should NOT have that kind of power. You wouldn't be
> > saying that if this happened to you.
>
> Whether he should or should not is irrelevant.
Oh yes it is relevent. Such people, if given the opportunity, could make
sure that you never work at any job in the USA again.
The fact is that he did, and
> Aquino did not. Since Aquino claims to be more Highly Evolved than the
> average bear, I presume he would be more successful than same.
I never heard Aquino say that. Do you consider him more highly evolved
then? Highly evolved - a biological term. A gorilla could beat up a human
being - does that make the gorilla better? It's stronger, yes.
By any
> objective standard, Jesse Helms is a far more successful Black Magician
than
> Aquino.
You have an odd way of defining black magic.
>
> Besides, Aquino never felt any compunctions while gloating about LaVey's
> estrangement from his daughter, his divorce, his bankruptcy, etc.
Those were not slanders. He told the truth about it if he gloated. There
IS a difference.
Why
> should we feel any compunction about reminding him that mundane America
> considers him a filthy child molester?
I don't think anyone considers him that.
>
> > I can't believe you said this. I can't fuckin believe it. Yeah,
> > "Mastering Satanism" points out that we do live inside of the Christian
> > encirclement. That rather sucks.
>
> It may suck, but it's the world we live in. I've always said that any
> Satanist who wants REAL political power needs to attend church every
Sunday,
> particularly in the South. You don't have to believe what the preacher is
> saying: hell, most of the people there don't believe it. But you need the
> networking opportunities, and the chance to show the world that you're
> really a "decent, socially upstanding" citizen.
We know the drill. That is why the ARBC started by Jeff, Wayne and I
succeeded.
This will help you to gain
> political power far more effectively than spouting phrases from *Mein
Kampf*
> (or *The Communist Manifesto*) while wearing a Baphomet. Satanism isn't
> about what ought to be: it's about what IS.
You'd not be able to identify me as any -ism if you saw me. I agree on
that. But the things about LaVey above ARE. What you said about Aquino is
NOT. That's the difference.
TJ
>
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
People's Commissar
organization. None of it makes sense. And no one, aftering finding out
exactly what that org represents, advocates, condones (yeah yeah, the
law...) is going to buy it.
What would a Nambla member say otherwise? That he DOES have sex with
children, he DOES break the law? That he does advocate those things? Of
course not. Why would a person NOT interested in sex with children join
that kind of an org: that is THE question and that is THE problem. The
point is, he DID advocate exactly that to David who got arrested for the 6
year old girl stunt. He DID put up the Lolita site that Les had to get torn
down before Schlesinger found it.
This is the thing that no one is going to get around - no matter what is
said or denied. NO ONE is going to write an official letter to people
claiming to have broken the law like that. He joined an organization, and
was in good standing in that organization, and that organization advocates
sex with little pre-pube children. Period. No ifs ands or butts on that
one. He did NOT join the Bridge Club and claim to be in good standing. Who
joins Bridge clubs? People who like to play bridge. THAT is the point.
The only problem was that too many did not know what the hell that org was
about. It's not about "lowering the age of consent" for people that are
already having sex after puberty. It's not about that at all.
You told him to quit it, to paraphrase. There ya go. If it was the Bridge
Club, you'd not have told him to quit.
TJ
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stay flushed. Les is nothing in the SR - just a member. OH, you didn't
know that? Oh, not keeping up with what doesn't concern you?
Get flushed.
Circe
>
> "Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote in message
> > news:todp529...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Kevin,
> I never heard Aquino say that. Do you consider him more highly evolved
> then? Highly evolved - a biological term. A gorilla could beat up a
human
> being - does that make the gorilla better?
They certainly are better! Much more-so, in fact. There are Gorillas that
are much smarter than some humans even. (Look at this NG for proof of that.)
I would much rather live in a community of Gorillas than of the people that
the world has to offer in the current state it is. Gorillas are among the
highest of species in the animal kingdom. Humans are all alike, Gorillas
don't attach themselves to the material world like humans do so they are
much less alike in their ways and personalities. There is much more
uniqueness among Gorillas.
>
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>You called him a legal slander. OK? Why do you
>DO shit like that? You hate Aquino. Can't you think
>of something NOT SLANDER to say in a flame?
>Something about Set or something doctrinal?
>Maybe you can't. So you resort to SLANDER. That
>is soooooo fucked up. The pity is you don't even
>see why it's fucked up, you don't feel one way or
>the other about it.
You've answered your own question: Filan resorts to
malicious falsehoods because he can't find anything
legitimate to criticize [beyond the fact that I have
pointed (natural, not "waxed") eyebrows].
In this Filan is much like his hero Jesse Helms, who
also couldn't find anything to criticize about my
military record except that he hated the Satanic
religion (which, in his second secret letter to Secretary
of the Army Marsh, he denied *was* a religion, hence
outside First Amendment protections). All that Marsh
could come up with to fulfill Helms' demand that my
career be destroyed was to instruct the CID to resurrect
a year-old, exposed fake allegation, and use that as a
device to intimidate me into resigning my commission
(as at one point the CID suggested to me).
Filan is not quite right about the outcome. Yes, the CID
succeeded in illegally getting a fulltime active duty
board to deny me a continuing active-duty contract
after 1990, and very obviously the lurid publicity
destroyed my prospects for promotion to full colonel.
[Promotions at the senior officer level are very sensitive
to politics, both within & without the service.]
On the other hand, Helms did not succeed in getting me
thrown out of the Army, did not prevent me from
continuing my career in the part-time Active Reserve
until 1994, did not affect my above-Top Secret security
clearance, did not prevent the next Secretary of the Army
from awarding me the Meritorious Service Medal upon
my retirement, did not affect any of my Officer Efficiency
Reports (which all continued to give me the highest marks
through 1994), did not prevent my Reserve Retirement,
and, just as significantly, did not deter the Army from
continuing to officially respect the Satanic/Setian religion
as First Amendment-legitimate, as it remains today.
As for Filan's claim that I am publicly regarded as a "child
molester", that's not my impression at all. Quite the contrary:
The vast majority of communiques I've received from the
public since the A-T scam express praise and gratitude for
my contributions in puncturing the balloon of the "SRA"
witchhunts of the 1980s. The only nasty comments, like
those of Filan here, come from an increasingly-shrinking
lunatic fringe of religious nuts, conspiracy cranks, and
quack "therapists", annoyed that their cute little money
train has run out of steam.
As for Kevin Filan himself, I think his venom has long
since become transparent to anyone who's spent any time
on alt.satanism. That's why I gave up any dialogue with
him: because his only real goal is to demonstrate that he
can be the Butthead to Locklin's Beavis on alt.satanism -
to the greater public image of the Densley/Gilmore
"Church of Satan", of course.
When I chose to pursue a career as an Army officer in 1968,
and joined the Church of Satan in 1969, I knew that it
was going to be a difficult tightrope to walk. Frankly I'm
pleased that I succeeded so well for so long. I can't help
the fact that the country went berserk with "SRA"ism in the
1980s, or that North Carolina would send a bigoted fanatic
like Helms to the Senate. Some people were unfortunate
enough to be at Pearl Harbor in December 1941, or at
Hiroshima in 1945. "Life is what happens to you while
you're making other plans."
What Jesse Helms tried to do to me - behind my back of
course, since he didn't have the guts to criticize, question,
or challenge me to my face; and hid behind the Senate
Legal Counsel when I FOIA-discovered his secret letters
and wrote him about them - is far more to his enduring
dishonor and humiliation than to mine.
Michael Aquino
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"Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> wrote:
>> I never heard Aquino say that. Do you consider him
>> more highly evolved then? Highly evolved - a biological
>> term. A gorilla could beat up a human being - does that
>> make the gorilla better?
>
>They certainly are better! Much more-so, in fact. There are
>Gorillas that are much smarter than some humans even.
>(Look at this NG for proof of that.)
You've got a point there. [To everyone else: She *does* have
a point!]
>I would much rather live in a community of Gorillas than
>of the people that the world has to offer in the current state it
>is. Gorillas are among the highest of species in the animal
>kingdom. Humans are all alike, Gorillas don't attach
>themselves to the material world like humans do so they are
>much less alike in their ways and personalities. There is
>much more uniqueness among Gorillas.
If I'm in a relaxed and benevolent mood when I kick the bucket,
then I'll come back as an orang-utan. If I have a long list of
unevened scores to settle, I'll come back as a skunk or, if
I'm really pissed, as an alligator snapping turtle.
Michael Aquino
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> Kevin,
>
> encirclement. That rather sucks.
>
> You called him a legal slander. OK? Why do you DO shit like that? You
> hate Aquino.
If anyone is stupid enough to believe it they deserve to drown in their own
stupidity. I have never seen Dr. Aquino as anything less than a very highly
educated man who is more than most in this NG could ever hope to be. He is
quite admirable to say the least. No matter how some of these CoS folks try
to smear his name their evil lies are a thinly veiled!
.
> I just find it terribly odd that he'd say that and BE a member of that
> organization. None of it makes sense. And no one, aftering finding out
> exactly what that org represents, advocates, condones (yeah yeah, the
> law...) is going to buy it.
> What would a Nambla member say otherwise? That he DOES have sex with
> children, he DOES break the law? That he does advocate those things? Of
> course not. Why would a person NOT interested in sex with children join
> that kind of an org: that is THE question and that is THE problem. The
> point is, he DID advocate exactly that to David who got arrested for the 6
> year old girl stunt. He DID put up the Lolita site that Les had to get torn
> down before Schlesinger found it.
1. shitslinger is precisely as big a poostain as egan, and dont EVER forget that.
2. ask yourself this question...if egan didnt have anything to do with NAMBLA,
would he still be just as big a poostain?
If your answer to #2 is anything other than "fuck yes", youre not using your
brain.
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>
>How did Jim Martin know that Allee was a member of Nambla?
I've got an even better question. Aquino states that Martin wrote an
article in a Pedophone magazine. Who in the ToS has a subscription to a
Pedophile magazine?
-Lupo
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GUlLLOTlNA <gulll...@aol.com> wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>
>the would-be 'Queen of Outer Mongolia' graces the group with:
>
><< Kevin,
>>
>>A person like Helms should NOT have that kind of power. You wouldn't be saying
>that if this happened to you.>>
>
>and threatens everyone who dares call her on her many inconsistencies with xian
>retaliation from same! Quick, turn off your Irony-meters everyone!
No kidding. Not to mention the fact that she was accusing Mikey Aquino of
feeding various Satanist types he didn't like to some Christian groups in
the 1970s. She claimed to have HARD EVIDENCE. It was, of course,
impossible to follow, as usual, but as a famous man once said of Mikey
Aquino in another context: "I wouldn't put it past him."
Besides which, Helms is exactly who "should" have power. That's why he has
power. Ain't no more morality to it than there is morality to electricity.
-Lupo
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
children smart." -H.L. Mencken <i...@fnord.io.com>
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> Dr. Braun - a big wig in the psych industry, was in
> ivolved in this.
I have 4 or 5 articles about this guy from this year - I also have a
videotape about some cases he was connected with. The tape explained how
they conned people to get insurance money some. Some of the older articles
about him and his co workers are covered in a few articles on my webpage
http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/English.htm#houston . An article
from this year is to attached below.
CHICAGO DAILY HERALD
July 26, 2001, Thursday, Pg. 1
Accused psychiatrist vows never to practice in Illinois
Shamus Toomey
A psychiatrist who surrendered his medical license two years ago amid
accusations he used drugs and hypnosis to convince a Glen Ellyn family they
were involved in Satanism and cannibalism said Wednesday he never will
return to Illinois to practice medicine.
But Dr. Bennett Braun, who could be eligible to regain his license in
October, did not close the door on a return to medicine in another state
some day. And he hasn't kept away from hospitals.
Braun, 60, formerly of Skokie, now works in an administrative position at
Shodair Children's Hospital in Helena, Mont. He has no contact with
patients - just their records, officials there say.
"The fact of the matter is ... he reads records, that's about it," said
hospital administrator Jack Casey, who said Braun serves as a link between
the hospital and insurance companies. "To tell you the truth, it's pretty
boring work."
Braun was once the director of Rush Presbyterian St. Luke's Medical Center's
dissociative disorders program, treating patients with multiple
personalities.
It was then that his problems began.
Patty Burgus, a patient Braun diagnosed as having multiple personality
disorder, eventually sued Braun, the hospital and several other doctors,
claiming the Braun used medication and hypnosis to convince her she had 300
personalities, ate meatloaf made of human flesh and was a high priestess in
a satanic cult.
She was hospitalized for two years, a stay state regulators alleged had "no
medically justifiable reason." The state also allege her two children were
wrongly hospitalized for three years, but Braun notes the children were not
under his direct care.
The medical malpractice case was settled in 1997 for $10.7 million.
Braun never admitted any of the allegations, which he contends are untrue.
He says the settlement came against his wishes and against a written
contract allowing him to block settlements. He is suing his attorneys and
the insurance companies that covered his $4.75 million share of the
settlement. He's seeking $20 million, his attorney, Howard Brinton, said.
Burgus' attorney, Todd Smith, said there was "a strong, strong case" against
Braun, which led to the settlement.
"We had people lined up to testify against Mr. Braun and the type of
medicine being practiced," Smith said.
After the case was settled, state regulators moved to strip Braun of his
license for "dishonorable, unethical and unprofessional conduct." Braun
settled that by agreeing in 1999 to the two-year suspension. He again did
not admit wrongdoing.
Shodair Hospital's Casey said Braun made the hospital aware of his
background - a move Braun said was not required of him.
There was nothing in his license suspension agreement that demanded Braun
either steer clear of hospitals for two years or notify employers of his
past. If he regains his license, the agreement does
demand that he notify future employers of the suspension and the details
surrounding it.
But Braun doesn't think people should be asking if it is appropriate for him
to be working at a children's hospital.
"What's inappropriate about doing chart work that has nothing to do with
patients?" he said. "I have no contact with patients. ...What difference is
there if I work at a field foundry or at a hospital as a clerk?"
Braun said he wants his medical license back out of pride and vindication.
He said he will never try to practice again in Illinois, but stopped short
of saying he was done with psychiatry for good.
"Let's put it this way, it's 10 percent out of 100," Braun said. "To say I'd
never do it is a lie because I don't know what's going to happen. But to say
I'm not going to do it in the near future, that wouldn't be a lie."
Braun's fall was swift after he lost his license and his practice, which was
bringing in around $300,000 a year. He said the fight against state
regulators tapped all of his savings, and he was unemployed for a stint
afterward. He decided to move west because he fell in love with the
mountains when he saw them earlier in life, he said.
He worked as a night watchman at a steel company in Idaho, a job he says
"hurt" him emotionally because of the heights he once reached in the medical
field.
"But you gotta do what you gotta do," he said. "That's why I came (to
Montana). To use my mind a little bit. And it paid more."
He found the Shodair job through a newspaper ad. It pays about $28,000 a
year. He is divorced now, and he lives paycheck to paycheck in a "trailer on
a dirt road" with a roommate, he said.
"It's far less stimulating (than being a psychiatrist) and sometimes
tedious," he said of his new job. "But it's better than working as a night
watchman."
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own "truth/legend" exposure sheet, about her father's allowing molestation
of Stanton. Since Stanton is no longer a minor, I don't see legal problems.
JUST to shut this raging bitch from Alabama up.
Thank you.
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I hope the grudge feels better than ever.
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Oh, well now if someone breaks his kneecaps - then it would be JUSTICE.
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murder his parents. And this is over what - doctrines? Can't be. It has
to be something else.
You could sue him for what he posted since the world can see it and it's on
here forever.
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> People's Commissar <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
> > I just find it terribly odd that he'd say that and BE a member of that
> > organization. None of it makes sense. And no one, aftering finding
out
> > exactly what that org represents, advocates, condones (yeah yeah, the
> > law...) is going to buy it.
>
> > What would a Nambla member say otherwise? That he DOES have sex with
> > children, he DOES break the law? That he does advocate those things?
Of
> > course not. Why would a person NOT interested in sex with children join
> > that kind of an org: that is THE question and that is THE problem.
The
> > point is, he DID advocate exactly that to David who got arrested for the
6
> > year old girl stunt. He DID put up the Lolita site that Les had to get
torn
> > down before Schlesinger found it.
>
> 1. shitslinger is precisely as big a poostain as egan, and dont EVER
forget that.
I knew that when I first got a computer and got online. I mean - I KNEW
that.
> 2. ask yourself this question...if egan didnt have anything to do with
NAMBLA,
> would he still be just as big a poostain?
Yes, he would; but he wouldn't be such a danger to Satanism. We never
linked with anything of his or to him NOT because of the Nambla thing which
I thought was just about lowering age to post-pube; others didn't even know
WHAT it was - thought it was just a gay thing. We did not link due to his
hobbit fairy tale mentality and blustering idiocy, his whining, his screw
ups, and the fact that the only reason he EXISTED was "Gilmore." Aside
from that, SR existed as an org in 1997 - Gilmore knew this, so did Ole and
Brendan. Prior to that we had our own thing and that goes WAY back. The
only flame wars, I guess offline since I got it in hard copy and they put it
in their magazine that went to college campuses.. we got into back in the
1990's were with hard core real commies (Maoists) that knew we existed - tho
they called us by the wrong name, Red Ray or something offbeat like that.
>
> If your answer to #2 is anything other than "fuck yes", youre not using
your
> brain.
>
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>
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You blitheringly stupid old fruitbat: you have even provided a link to
its root webpage in your signature file.
http://www.apodion.com/vad/dark/1972aquino.shtml
http://www.apodion.com/vad/dark/1972aquino-pics.shtml
>I hope the grudge feels better than ever.
*raises eyeborw*
Are you going to start going on about "the wound" again?
Incidentally, I am *happy* you are making nice with Mikey. I always said
you eventually would, and there is no finer feeling than knowing you were
right all along.
Incidentally, speaking of me being right all along, you seem to have
gotten yourself kicked out of the Church of Satan as well for attempting
to pass off your horse shit as their ideology.
-Lupo
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Gorillas are
> among the highest of species in the animal kingdom. >>
> ::a literal shout of laughter rises to the rafters::
Heh, don't laugh too hard you stupid hick-a-billy, as my cats are even
smarter than you are. You may now take your hand out of those purple
"Wal-Mart Special" sweat pants! :::laughs!:::
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Christians. That simply about Aquino and his friends having "their own
thing" going within the COS.
Well DUH - it's kinda obvious they did have that, no?
PO box 534 received a letter mailed TO the Family Forum (which was not po
box 534). It was from St. Louis MO as the envelope shows.
I asked Aquino if he sent that. He said no - he wasn't even there at the
time.
So then? I thought he did. It was a copy of the Werewolf Order manuscript
speaking about blood rituals.
The only people I knew of for sure that were IN that area, were COS people
and TOS people. SOMEONE from one of those orgs DEFINITELY sent it there
because no one else would think of connecting that box (wrongly, no less)
with Family Forum.
I know why they'd connect it. A few years previous, Family Forum DID have
an article that mentioned both COS and TOS in it. A copy of this was mailed
TO cos and tos people FROM that po box with nothing in the return except "po
box 534, captive island, FL" ! Nothing was written to either org, just a
copy of this article was sent.
Mystery solved as to why someone thought to mail it to that po box and put
Family Forum on there. Who actually mailed it? I don't know. I THOUGHT
Aquino did it. Online, I asked him - he said he did not.
That's not in the 1970's. That was in the 1990's. Damn, another person who
can't read.
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info we got on hindsight. Thank you so much for pointing out the errors.
THIS IS FROM RADIO WEREWOLF,THE ORGANIZATION NICK SCHRECK AND ZEENA LAVEY
HAD PRIOR TO JOINING THE TEMPLE OF SET: CHECK OUT WHAT APPEARS IN BOLD
ITALICS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS SENT TO ME BY MICHAEL AQUINO, OR SOMEONE IN TOS
(SINCE BEING ONLINE, I ASKED HIM IF HE DID THIS, HE WAS NOT IN THAT AREA AT
THAT TIME, HE SAID HE DID NOT SEND IT. IT'S POSTMARKED KANSAS CITY, MO, JUNE
11, 1990. WHOEVER SENT IT HIGHLIGHTED CERTAIN PORTIONS. WHOEVER MAILED IT
ADDRESSED IT TO OUR OLD PO BOX ON CAPTIVA (WHICH WAS VALID AT THE TIME) BUT
TO THE FLORIDA FORUM: THAT WOULD BE NONE OTHER THAN THE FLORIDA FAMILY
FORUM, A CHRISTIAN FUNDIE OUTFIT! THE BOX WAS OURS, NOT THE FLORIDA FAMILY
FORUM'S. PICTURE OF ENVELOPE IS INCLUDED IN THIS FILE!
A FEW YEARS BACK, THE FAMILY FORUM PRINTED A LEAFLET WITH BOTH COS AND TOS
MENTIONED IN IT AND PLASTERED ALL IN THE ARTICLE IN THE FAMIY FORUM WAS ALL
THAT PRESIDIO STUFF ABOUT AQUINO AND CRIMINAL LINKS ABOUT LAVEY. FROM THAT
PO BOX, WITH ONLY THE PO BOX AS THE RETURN ADDRESS BUT NO NAME OR ORG
LISTED, WE MAILED THIS OUT TO BOTH COS AND TOS SINCE WE THOUGHT THEY SHOULD
KNOW ABOUT IT. THERE WAS NO ACCOMPANYING LETTER SENT. WAYNE HILL MAILED IT -
JUST MAILED OUT A XEROX COPY OF IT TO BOTH COS AND TOS. AS WE CAN SEE NOW,
BOTH ORGANIZATIONS COULD HAVE HAD A MOTIVE FOR MAILING THIS TO WHAT THEY
THOUGHT WAS A FUNDIE OUTFIT. ON HINDSIGHT, COS MAY HAVE HAD MORE OF A MOTIVE
SINCE ZEENA HAD DISOWNED HER FATHER ON NATIONAL TV.
AND FOR THE RECORD, ZEENA WROTE HER 'UNFATHER' LETTER TO AQUINO ON DECEMBER
30TH, 1990 AFTER DECLARING HER 'DIVORCE' ON APRIL 30TH 1990. NOT IN 1989! IN
1989 SHE WAS ON THE LARSON SHOW WITH SCHRECK AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COS.
WHEN NICK AND ZEENA WERE ON THE LARSON SHOW, THEY WERE HAILED BY THE COS AS
HIGHLY RESPECTED HIGH PRIEST AND PRIESTESS. AS ONE CAN SEE NOW ON HINDSIGHT,
COS OPINION OF ZEENA AND NICK TURNED VITRIOLIC AFTER THEY DISOWNED THE COS.
WHO HAD MORE REASON TO MAIL THIS TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A FUNDAMENTALIST
CHRISTIAN OUTFIT? COS? OR TOS?
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>
> I just find it terribly odd that he'd say that and BE a member of that
> organization. None of it makes sense. And no one, aftering finding out
> exactly what that org represents, advocates, condones (yeah yeah, the
> law...) is going to buy it.
What I find odd is the fact that Aquino did not terminate Egan's membership but rather gave him an easy ultimatum. Of course Mikey may have just been showing Egan 'empathy' and 'understanding.'
> What would a Nambla member say otherwise? That he DOES have sex with
> children, he DOES break the law? That he does advocate those things? Of
> course not. Why would a person NOT interested in sex with children join
> that kind of an org: that is THE question and that is THE problem. The
> point is, he DID advocate exactly that to David who got arrested for the 6
> year old girl stunt. He DID put up the Lolita site that Les had to get torn
> down before Schlesinger found it.
Exactly! NAMBLA is not a 'gay org' based on homosexual philosophy or lifestyle it IS a pedophile org based on ideas surrounding pedophilia. NRA members don't chose to become members because they are Charlton Heston fans.
> This is the thing that no one is going to get around - no matter what is
> said or denied. NO ONE is going to write an official letter to people
> claiming to have broken the law like that. He joined an organization, and
> was in good standing in that organization, and that organization advocates
> sex with little pre-pube children. Period. No ifs ands or butts on that
> one. He did NOT join the Bridge Club and claim to be in good standing. Who
> joins Bridge clubs? People who like to play bridge. THAT is the point.
So in saying this what the hell was Aquino thinking when he said 'OK John, you have a choice...?'
> The only problem was that too many did not know what the hell that org was
> about. It's not about 'lowering the age of consent' for people that are
> already having sex after puberty. It's not about that at all.
NAMBLA has made ts stance clear as day and in black and white from the get go. Just look at the name.
> You told him to quit it, to paraphrase. There ya go. If it was the Bridge
> Club, you'd not have told him to quit.
Still wondering why Mikey just didn't terminate Egan's ToS membership. I see characters such Egan to be far more dangerous to the ToS than Mr. Scratch and Kerry sipping frozen margaritas with Lupo. Hmmm.
Kevin Filan
Says Michael Aquino, our resident failed soldier and accused babyfucker:
* * * * *
In this Filan is much like his hero Jesse Helms, who
also couldn't find anything to criticize about my
military record except that he hated the Satanic
religion (which, in his second secret letter to Secretary
of the Army Marsh, he denied *was* a religion, hence
outside First Amendment protections). All that Marsh
could come up with to fulfill Helms' demand that my
career be destroyed was to instruct the CID to resurrect
a year-old, exposed fake allegation, and use that as a
device to intimidate me into resigning my commission
(as at one point the CID suggested to me).
* * * * *
It is interesting that a PhD in Political Science cannot grasp why a
Satanist might study the career of Jesse Helms in an effort to understand
his success and/or apply his tactics. Because the simple fact is that Jesse
Helms *was* a success in the World of Horrors. He had the power to ruin
Aquino's career with a couple of letters, and he exercised that power. He
managed to stay in Congress for 30 years, through some grueling elections.
He was well known for his talent at bare-knuckle politicking, and was feared
and respected by friend and foe alike.
Simply put: Jesse Helms shits bigger than Michael Aquino.
As for the rest of Presidio-Boy's whining:
Of course Jesse Helms hates the Satanic religion, you blithering buffoon!
Most of the mouth-breathers and bottom feeders on this newsgroup could tell
you that! You made yourself a public figure and thereby attracted the
attention of the most notorious conservative in Washington. And the
results, in Mikey's own words:
* * * * *
In Aquino's own words:
* * * * *
Indeed I lost more than $200K if you want to factor in the promotion to full
Colonel that was now politically out of the question, and my lost
opportunity
to retire from fulltime, rather than parttime Army status, which would have
increased my pension & benefits.
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* * * * *
[The CID/Helms] tampering had the effect of refusing me a new fulltime
contract when my current one expired 1-1/3 years later, so my USAR status
simply reverted to parttime at that point. The damage that this did to me
was to deny me eventual qualification for active duty retirement benefits,
which are more extensive than the ones I have under normal Reserve
retirement
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* * * * *
With a couple of letters and a phone call or two, Jesse Helms cost Michael
Aquino around a quarter million dollars. Way to go, Jesse.
Aquino seems to operate on this misguided notion that we should feel sorry
for him because of his bravery in "standing up for Satanism during the SRA
hysteria." The simple truth is that Aquino's Presidio misadventure was the
worst fucking thing that could have happened to organized Satanism. Before
that, there were no links between ritual abuse allegations and organized
Satanism. Nor, to this day, has any other Satanic organization been linked
to any child molestation scandal. Aquino brought us a world of bad
publicity, and now expects us to kiss his ass for it.
Martyrdom is not a core competency in Satanism. Pity is not a coin of the
realm. There's no reason why we should treat Aquino with respect simply
because his arrogance and lack of common sense cost him his career and a
good chunk of his pension. (Perhaps we should give him some credit for
beating those charges, although the OJ Simpson case shows clearly that
anybody with enough money, earned or inherited, can do that).
Mikey's closing paragraphs are equally enlightening:
* * * * *
When I chose to pursue a career as an Army officer in 1968,
and joined the Church of Satan in 1969, I knew that it
was going to be a difficult tightrope to walk. Frankly I'm
pleased that I succeeded so well for so long. I can't help
the fact that the country went berserk with "SRA"ism in the
1980s, or that North Carolina would send a bigoted fanatic
like Helms to the Senate. Some people were unfortunate
enough to be at Pearl Harbor in December 1941, or at
Hiroshima in 1945. "Life is what happens to you while
you're making other plans."
What Jesse Helms tried to do to me - behind my back of
course, since he didn't have the guts to criticize, question,
or challenge me to my face; and hid behind the Senate
Legal Counsel when I FOIA-discovered his secret letters
and wrote him about them - is far more to his enduring
dishonor and humiliation than to mine.
* * * * *
1) If you knew that there was going to be a big bomb dropped on Hiroshima,
yet chose to visit there anyway, I'd have little sympathy for you when you
came back glowing in the dark. You still don't understand that you got
caught up in your little misadventure because of YOUR actions and inactions.
2) Jesse Helms didn't HAVE to face you. You weren't worth his time. you
were something which annoyed him, and he had you removed. One of your
wealthy relatives might call the doorman to have a vagrant escorted from the
building lobby: would that show cowardice or dishonor on their part?
3) You keep whining about your "rights." Any Satanist worth his salt knows
that "rights" are a social fiction. You have whatever "rights" your society
chooses to give you: those rights can be taken away at will. You chose to
make yourself a martyr: why are you surprised that Jesse decided to nail you
to a cross?
4) Once again, I suspect Mundane America would be less shocked by "pulled
strings to get a public Satanist thrown out of the Army" than "worships
Satan and was accused of sodomizing toddlers at the Presidio Day Care
Center." (Oh, I forgot: every day you get email from people who really
believe you're innocent... )
5) Shut up, Childfucker. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Peace
Kevin Filan
(Oh, and do give my regards to Shamby).
--
Again, we are the old guys, we are the same breed -- guys like Fenriz and
Necrobutcher are old buddies, and we still are. Fenriz usually looks after
my cat when I'm away -- Kettil Eggum of Red Harvest.
.
Aye, and theres the point, finally. He wouldnt be such a danger to YOUR
satanism.
There are those of us who wouldnt give a shit if he buttfucked nuns.
Victor Le Nettoyeur
>Aye, and theres the point, finally. He wouldnt be such a danger to YOUR
>satanism.
>
>There are those of us who wouldnt give a shit if he buttfucked nuns.
Yep. I agree.
What we are talking about here is a miserable guy who writes about sex with
animals and has a penchant for using the anon.xg.nu remailer to troll this
newsgroup.
To me, he doesn't exist. It's as simple as that. I only regret that so many
other (otherwise intelligent) people here waste so much time discussing
him. People here actually hate him and get emotional about him. What a
waste of good energy!
All anybody has to do is put him and his anonymous sockpuppets into
the .score file. This guy instantly becomes what he is to his real-life
contacts. A "non-entity". Easily forgotten and banished to /dev/null where
he belongs.
--
That's nice, Victor.
<exponent_...@yahoo.com>
The moment of terror is the beginning of life.
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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xganon <nob...@xganon.com> wrote:
>What I find odd is the fact that Aquino did not
>terminate Egan's membership but rather gave
>him an easy ultimatum.
I thought I had explained that. The Temple of Set had
no knowledge of NAMBLA [this was before the era of
websites, etc.] and no _a priori_ policy prohibiting
Initiates' affiliation with it.
In Allee's original published statement of his membership
in NAMBLA, he said of it: "... we *do not* advocate or
practice "child molestation" or child abuse! Neither do
we encourage or practice the breaking of state or federal
laws."
A member of the Priesthood of Set was immediately asked
to contact Allee, and reported: "... He made it clear that he
was not a pedophile and that his support of NAMBLA was
based on a cultural & historical view and on an abstract
libertarian regard for consent. I pointed out that the issue
of consent was a tricky one, and that the power imbalance
between minors & adults was so great that it was better to
err on the side of caution & social norms, since it was not
clear that free consent was possible. We discussed this a
bit. I left the conversation feeling that Allee is ethical but
careless."
Given the above, we did not feel that preemptory cancellation
of his Temple of Set membership was appropriate. [And
remember, this was an Adept II° of long-standing positive
accomplishment in the Temple, and never any problems
with the law which came to our attention.] So, after learning
a bit more about NAMBLA, largely from newspaper clippings,
we just advised him that membership in NAMBLA and
Temple of Set affiliation were incompatible, and that he
would have to leave one or the other. He immediately
resigned from NAMBLA, sent us a copy of his resignation
letter, and that was that.
And I say again that the Temple of Set tries to strike a
reasonable balance between over/under-attention to
Initiates' private lives. On one hand we keep an eye out
for conduct that might harm the Temple or its other
Initiates. On the other hand, we're not interested in
monitoring or controlling Initiates' private lives _a la_
the Mormons, Scientology, etc.
Michael Aquino
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Blackjack
> reasonable balance between over/under-attention to
> Initiates' private lives. On one hand we keep an eye out
> for conduct that might harm the Temple or its other
> Initiates. On the other hand, we're not interested in
> monitoring or controlling Initiates' private lives _a la_
> the Mormons, Scientology, etc.
>
-- Blackjack
"Will defend to the death your right to eat pasta!"
Circe
> 3) You keep whining about your "rights." Any Satanist worth his salt
knows
> that "rights" are a social fiction. You have whatever "rights" your
society
> chooses to give you: those rights can be taken away at will. You chose
to
> make yourself a martyr: why are you surprised that Jesse decided to nail
you
> to a cross?
I truly believe(know) this is true. No doubt about it!
>
> 4) Once again, I suspect Mundane America would be less shocked by "pulled
> strings to get a public Satanist thrown out of the Army" than "worships
> Satan and was accused of sodomizing toddlers at the Presidio Day Care
> Center." (Oh, I forgot: every day you get email from people who really
> believe you're innocent... )
There's nothing left to believe except that he's innocent. Filan, I've read
a lot of documentation surrounding that whole fiasco and I even found
e-mails of yours from 95? I believe it was 95. From what I read you were
just mad because of the way you were treated on a camping trip with the ToS
(In some cabin?) Anyway, what I read was just a bunch of kids and their
parents obviously mass hallucinating and starved for attention in their
mundane lives. The parents would nudge their kids on and eventually they
too("the poor little children") somehow became the molested and it more or
less took on a domino effect. Also, if I remember correctly, it was in the
80's that my sis and I noticed a trend. We called it the "Help! I've been
molested!" trend, and we used to howl laughing everytime a new "victim"
would come forward and mar their names eternally in our minds! Example: I
believe it was that moron "Oprah" that started all the "Help! I've been
molested!" trend, then it was "Poor little RoseAnne Barr" yeah right, I
thought to myself she needs a good molesting! Then it was "Rosie ODonnel"
yeah she got hers tickled too and it just went on and on! It was as if
during that time every little dick head nation wide was humbly coming
forward with their molest story. It was laughable at best. How convenient
for them all to "share" NO group hug here hon, is all anyone who could see
thru it said! Sorry,but unless I see it actually happening or some
overwhelming evidence I still say "Nice try, No stogie!
People's Commissar
Is that like blaming Jews for being Jews in a Germany that became Nazi?
Right, they got thrown into a ghetto and lost families in camps and it's
their fault - for being Jews.
TJ
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"Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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>
People's Commissar
websites.
I asked Egan what Nambla was way back - based on what he said, I wrote the
letter that he plastered on his website: I'm ranting about POST-pube young
marrieds, child bearing age and young mothers.
Again, when I first got email (not long ago) and got online, after Peggy
sent the 10th email begging me to "attack Egan" she finally brought up the
Nambla thing - what she said sounded like hysteria. Her first reasons were
1. he's stealing the dark doctrines; 2, Doc loved me so much. 3. Doc hated
Egan (told by both Gilmore and Nadramia) and FINALLY, LASTLY the Nambla
thing 4 year old kids. No way I believed this. Another cos person sent me
some kind of railing sounding hysteria about poster boys. Anyone can make a
poster or a website and CLAIM it belongs to this or that org. I suspected
fundies. Fundies have it that gays want to recruit their young pre-pube
children. I considered that to be rubbish.
I was politically an activist in the past. If you even SAID something that
crazy in public, the cops would be all over you if you didn't get shot
first.
I believed that the org was about lowering the age of concent for already
practicing gay people, people already having sex tho they were under 18.
Someone pointed me to a website - but it was foreign. ANYONE could have put
that up there. I had heard of Nambla via various Christian organizations
out there, news, tv, etc. It sounded insane. I have known kazillions of
gay people sexually active under 18 - and most of them didn't know what this
org was.
The only thing that convinced me about what they really were about, was a TV
show, showing the parade and having the nambla head himself SAY it. That
did it. Sean Haile saw the same TV show. This man refused to comment on
whether or not nambla thought sex with a ONE YEAR OLD baby was ok or not.
Oh, he couldn't say "no?" Forget it.
Most people don't know what nambla is. After seeing that show, I went out
to a gay club in Ft. Myers with some friends. I asked around to see if
anyone knew what this was. NONE DID.
When I asked Jim Martin about it, he said he was NOT a pedophile - he also
said that org was about lowering the age to under 18 and said "well, you
know those teens are horny and are having sex anyway."
In other words - they keep up this public show - and anyone who says
differently, whether fundie xians or cossers, sounds like they are spewing
rubbish of hysteric proportions.
Aren't we told that the LAST PLACE a child is in danger of molestation is in
a Gay community? Yes, that's the slogan. Even straight people say this.
I know about free speech, or so I thought (I go by older standards, what I
remember experiencing) - but it seems to me that speaking freely about
breaking the law THAT BADLY used to be considered NOT covered under free
speech. I remember when it was not covered. Keep in mind, I was
politically active during a time that blacks down south were only JUST
getting civil rights and it was a struggle. Could a black person back then
go around yelling about Black Power? I remember the Black Panthers - what
crime did the real Panthers commit? They made a bookmobile and set up a
breakfast. The FBI was on them, destroying them, calling them "internal
enemy number one" like white on snow.
Based on my life's experiences - I STILL find it hard to believe that such
an org exists and is able to openly say things like that.
TJ
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"Dr. Michael A. Aquino" <xe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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"Blackjack" <Blac...@radiofreesatan.com> wrote:
>> And I say again that the Temple of Set tries to strike a
>> reasonable balance between over/under-attention to
>> Initiates' private lives. On one hand we keep an eye out
>> for conduct that might harm the Temple or its other
>> Initiates. On the other hand, we're not interested in
>> monitoring or controlling Initiates' private lives _a la_
>> the Mormons, Scientology, etc.
>
>But, go out and have a spaghetti dinner, and the shit
>hits the fan!
I assume you're referring to the Hunt/Delf situation?
In that instance a Priest of Set and a person who had been
awarded Honorary Setian status decided to befriend and
socialize with Scott Locklin, a person with a long history
of the most disgusting public guttertalk against the Temple
of Set, my wife, and myself. They then brought him to the
Temple's conclave hotel and told no one about it. The
combination of their degradation of Hunt's sacred office
and Delf's honor, together with their exposure of other,
unknowing Setians to someone like Locklin, resulted in
the High Priest's and Council of Nine's unanimous decision
that Hunt & Delf deserved expulsion.
Whether or not Hunt, Delf, and Locklin enjoyed a chummy
spaghetti dinner together that evening was not on the
Council's agenda.
Michael Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>Is that like blaming Jews for being Jews in a Germany
>that became Nazi? Right, they got thrown into a ghetto
>and lost families in camps and it's their fault - for being
>Jews.
I guess according to Butthead's logic, Abraham Lincoln was
to blame for the punitive Reconstruction of the South by
being so stupid as to go to Ford's Theater that evening.
Archduke Ferdinand was to blame for World War I by
being stupid enough to get himself shot.
The captain of the _Maine_ was to blame for the Spanish-
American War by being stupid enough to get his ship
blown up.
Helen was to blame for the Trojan War by being stupid
enough to be seen in a Frederick's of Hollywood outfit
by visiting Prince Paris.
And of course JFK was to blame for the Vietnam War
and the evils of all subsequent Administrations by
being stupid enough to get himself shot in Dallas by
the Mafia, the CIA, Cubans, Russians, Oswald, his
driver, one or two Secret Service agents, John
Connally, J. Edgar in drag, and alien-possessed
Hive assassins. [With all that lead flying around
Dealey Plaza, it's a wonder anyone escaped alive.]
Michael Aquino
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"Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> wrote:
>"Kevin Filan" wrote in message [directed at MA]:
>
>> 3) You keep whining about your "rights." Any
>> Satanist worth his salt knows that "rights" are a
>> social fiction. You have whatever "rights" your
>> society chooses to give you: those rights can be taken
>> away at will. You chose to make yourself a martyr:
>> why are you surprised that Jesse decided to nail you
>> to a cross?
>
>I truly believe (know) this is true. No doubt about it!
I don't recall making any issue about "my rights". What
I have said is that the 1st and 14th Amendments of the
Bill of Rights do provide for freedom of religion - not just
freedom for *some* religions! - and that a Constitutional
Right is a Right only to the extent that you can in fact
exercise it.
A lot of things contained in the BOR are constantly under
attack, to see how much the government, or courts, or
general public, will tolerate their "whittling-away". The
2nd Amendment about guns is an obvious example; so
are provisions dealing with free speech, right to assembly,
search & seizure, etc.
Helms has a long history of attacking nonChristian
religions. I believe at one point he initiated legislation to
criminalize "witchcraft" (including Satanism), which never
made it past the Congressional committee level. In my
case my distinguished service record was automatically
irrelevant; it was the Satanic religion which could not be
allowed to have a respectable image, and legitimacy as a
religion, in America. Indeed, Michael Aquino the individual
was of no interest to Helms. He made no investigations
whatever into my secular, religious, or military background
before demanding that the Secretary of the Army purge me.
In his two letters Helms did not even mention the Adams-
Thompson scam at the Presidio, and probably didn't know
about it since it wasn't on the _Geraldo_ Halloween special
that got him enraged. No, it was the equation of high-ranking
Army officer = Satanist that Helms wanted exterminated.
While Helms damaged my career, he didn't succeed in
destroying it; and the issues raised by that episode actually
resulted in much stronger safeguards for *all* nonmainstream
religions in the Army, as evidenced by the 1990 _Religious
Requirements & Practices of Certain Selected Groups_ issued
by HQ Department of the Army, which was *much* stronger
and more specific concerning the legitimacy of such religions
as the Temple of Set, Church of Satan, and Wicca, than the
1978 predecessor edition.
>> 4) Once again, I suspect Mundane America would be less
>> shocked by "pulled strings to get a public Satanist thrown
>> out of the Army" than "worships Satan and was accused of
>> sodomizing toddlers at the Presidio Day Care Center." ...
>
>There's nothing left to believe except that he's innocent ...
Butthead is right to this extent: that most of Mundane America
knows nothing about "Satanism" except what it sees in late-nite
Hammer Films on TV. Satanists drink blood, screw goats, and
sacrifice blonde, blue-eyed virgins with big tits and almost-no
clothes on.
That same Mundane America draws *no distinction whatever*
between the Temple of Set, the Church of Satan (old or new),
Wicca, Thelema, Heaven's Gate, and "any uther'v them dam
devilcults!". It would just as soon all of them be blotted out
so that the nation's sons and daughters are safely exposed only
to good Catholic, Protestant, and [if we must, to prove our
post-WW2 Tolerance] Jewish alternatives.
So yes, anti-occultist attacks as part of the "SRA" mania of the
80s were indeed ho-hummed by Mundane A. What finally
brought the witchhunts to a halt was not any belated attack
of conscience, but the expansion of the attacks to parents in
Mundane A. itself, by their grown children who were
apparently impatient waiting for their parents to die for
their inheritance. Once *that* trend started, suddenly all
the fakery and previously-protected "immunities" in the
scam process were exposed and discredited.
This sequence happens a lot throughout history, by the
way: an initially convenient social excess is tolerated only
until it grows so big that it threatens the mainstream.
Michael Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote in message
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> So then, what you are saying is that anyone in any Satanic org is at risk.
>
> Is that like blaming Jews for being Jews in a Germany that became Nazi?
> Right, they got thrown into a ghetto and lost families in camps and it's
> their fault - for being Jews.
>
> TJ
If a Jew moved to Germany right after Hitler became chancellor, then no, I
wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for him. Aquino set himself up for his fall
by being an "out" Satanist in the military.
Peace
Kevin Filan
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spitting fire, not sitting looking at a lake and being depressed like some
fucking fairy. - Morgan of Marduk.
Blackjack
> I assume you're referring to the Hunt/Delf situation?
Heh...got to get up early in the morning to get one past you, don't I?
> In that instance a Priest of Set and a person who had been
> awarded Honorary Setian status decided to befriend and
> socialize with Scott Locklin, a person with a long history
> of the most disgusting public guttertalk against the Temple
> of Set, my wife, and myself. They then brought him to the
> Temple's conclave hotel and told no one about it. The
> combination of their degradation of Hunt's sacred office
> and Delf's honor, together with their exposure of other,
> unknowing Setians to someone like Locklin, resulted in
> the High Priest's and Council of Nine's unanimous decision
> that Hunt & Delf deserved expulsion.
OK, and this is how I interpret that -- Hunt and his wife had dinner with a
guy I don't like. Therefore, instead of asking him not to repeat something
like that in the future, we had him bounced from the organization. Locklin
finding out the hotel of our get-together was a horribly dangerous thing,
despite the fact that if he even noticed it, he really didn't seem to give a
shit.
Ultimately, this is my point -- Hunt is somebody you obviously saw some
potential in, unless you regularly promote folks to III* just for giggles.
Now, I've made it perfectly clear before that as a CoS member, I've never
considered myself "anti-Setian". Considering that both Hunt and his wife
are people that I grew to respect over these few years, wouldn't that
suggest that he was a positive reflection on your organization?
The way I see it, "The Locklin Affair" (not to be confused with "The Farcus
Affair" from "Christmas Story") could have been handled in a way that would
have left both Hunt and his wife still working hard to better your
organization. Instead, now your organization is minus their talents, and
you have made two enemies for life. Anyway I slice it, that is bad
leadership. If you can't trust that your priests are not trying to actively
cause harm to your organization, then why have them? And, exactly what harm
came out of "The Locklin Affair?" Any high ranking Setians get beat up?
Tires slashed? Wedgies given? Considering that no actual harm resulted,
the dismissal from the organization seems to be a bit extreme. Therefore,
it appears that two people got bounced for having a spaghetti dinner.
-- Blackjack
"I double dog dare ya to respond" ;)
the artist formerly known as IX Corp
People's Commissar <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>Lupo - Dale Seago admits he remembers all of that. That's not about
>Christians. That simply about Aquino and his friends having "their own
>thing" going within the COS.
>
>Well DUH - it's kinda obvious they did have that, no?
*listens to the pleasant sound of the Mongoloid former-magistra backpedaling*
It will be amusing to see how quick you can get one of your geldings to
edit the document to reflect your new "friendly to mikey" incomprehensible
ranting. It will still be amusing to see how you justify its presence on
the dork darktrines webpage.
>Mystery solved as to why someone thought to mail it to that po box and put
>Family Forum on there. Who actually mailed it? I don't know. I THOUGHT
>Aquino did it. Online, I asked him - he said he did not.
Well, Mikey said he didn't: that clears everything up, now doesn't it?
Mikey seems to, well, "stretch the truth" rather a lot, doesn't he?
The fact remains, you put this incomprehensible gibberish up in an effort
to condemn Mikey Aquino. Your jabbering about the "LaVey FBI file" rather
reminded me of this incident, by the way: a lot of fruit-batty screeching
about how you NAILED THE BASTARD.
>That's not in the 1970's. That was in the 1990's. Damn, another person who
>can't read.
Funny how people have such a hard time reading what you write. Maybee
because your scribbling is the incomprehensible babling of a diseased mind.
Might have something to do with it.
-Lupo
"Everybody has a right to be stupid, but some people abuse the privelege."
-Josef Stalin <i...@pentagon.io.com>
the artist formerly known as IX Corp
>>or already is one (not sure - KAIDEN??) - and it is
>>authentic in his reverence for the Princess of
>>Darkness! The people in it have LEGAL, gov
>>recognized, minister titles and can perform
>>marriages, baptisms, etc - everything except
>>circumcision.
>>
>>SR has legit - totally legit - Dark Tradition information -
>>but SR is not a church.
>>
>>The New COS of John Shaw is going for, or already has,
>>Church status.
>
>Assuming none of these is involved in any fraudulent
>or illegal activities (as per the cited inclusions on Locklin's
>FAQ), then I would have no problem with these being
>referenced on an alt.satanism FAQ.
Mikey, my little Ipsissypus, you labor under the delusion that your
approbation means anything outside of your little religious cult. It
doesn't in the least; never has. Frustrating, ain't it?
Gareth Medway, an OTO member, and Gavin Baddeley, a Church of Satan member
are most certainly looked upon as greater authorities on the subject than
you are. They've actually written excellent books on the topic.
I will, however, humor you, in including whatever new grouplets you might
approve of in the next revision of the alt.satanism FAQ.
Said grouplets will be required to have substantive information available
online, or offline; or at least be hard enough to find, and popular enough
that their contact information becomes a "frequently asked question," like
in the case of the ONA. Personally, I feel the latter category is pretty
pointless with the advent of the search engine.
The only group I can think of which merits inclusion is the "Satanic Reds"
group of Tani Jantsang and friends, though they certainly engage in
illegal activities, by their own admissions. I leave it to you to
ascertain how "fraudulent" they might be. Feel free to expand upon my
list.
For example, if you think the group run by that advocate of pedophilia
and bestiality, Lord Egan, merits inclusion, I'll put his group in as
well, with your explanation of why he should be. I notice that you have
nothing but kind words for ole "Lard" despite his doing nearly as much as
you to associate Satanism with pedophilia. Perhaps this is why you guys
are such close pals?
sincerely,
-Brother Lupo
the artist formerly known as IX Corp
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>
>"Blackjack" <Blac...@radiofreesatan.com> wrote:
>
>>> And I say again that the Temple of Set tries to strike a
>>> reasonable balance between over/under-attention to
>>> Initiates' private lives. On one hand we keep an eye out
>>> for conduct that might harm the Temple or its other
>>> Initiates. On the other hand, we're not interested in
>>> monitoring or controlling Initiates' private lives _a la_
>>> the Mormons, Scientology, etc.
>>
>>But, go out and have a spaghetti dinner, and the shit
>>hits the fan!
>
>I assume you're referring to the Hunt/Delf situation?
>
>In that instance a Priest of Set and a person who had been
>awarded Honorary Setian status decided to befriend and
>socialize with Scott Locklin, a person with a long history
>of the most disgusting public guttertalk against the Temple
>of Set, my wife, and myself.
Golly, that Locklin guy called you names. You'd figure a big, tough,
former Lt. Col. in the Army; an man who carried a Thompson submachine gun
in 'Nam, a man who heroically stood up to Jesse Helms, a man who had the
courage to cross the very vicar of Satan himself and a man who has his
very own religious cult could handle being called poo-poo dirty names by
a short, funny-looking physics student from Berkeley? Maybee not.
Oh, I forget, "Brother Lupo is 7 feet tall, has green skin and dangling
skulls hanging from his hair," rather than a tweedy gothic kid who makes a
living playing with vacuum pumps and shit.
> They then brought him to the
>Temple's conclave hotel and told no one about it.
Actually, I brought them there. And believe me; I only stuck around long
enough to drop them off. Brother Lupo isn't such a bad-ass that he
relishes the idea of having 40 or 50 pissed off gamer geeks coming at him
all at once. Some of them guys are pretty big. Hell, some of the *women*
could probably fall on me or something.
As for "exposure of setians" to Brother Lupo: the wherabouts of your
little conventions are no secret to me. Certainly not when they take place
within *my* city. Every goth and occultist in a 60 mile radius knew the
circus had come to town. I daresay you wouldn't be able to hide in Las
Angeles, for that matter.
I fully intend to point out your lack of secrecy to you in a very explicit
and very funny way at the next conclave, wherever it might be. Actually,
Brother Lupo already knows where it is, but will be kind enough not to
reveal the information until the proper time.
> The
>combination of their degradation of Hunt's sacred office
>and Delf's honor, together with their exposure of other,
>unknowing Setians to someone like Locklin, resulted in
>the High Priest's and Council of Nine's unanimous decision
>that Hunt & Delf deserved expulsion.
Funny, Mikey: it was never a secret that we were chums. Only to you, I
guess. Want a list of my other chums within the Temple of Set? Only one or
two of them have fucked Webb's wife.
-Lupo
"MALEFACTOR, n. The chief factor in the progress of the human race." <i...@io.com>
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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"Blackjack" <Blac...@radiofreesatan.com> wrote:
>> the High Priest's and Council of Nine's unanimous
>> decision that Hunt & Delf deserved expulsion.
>
>OK, and this is how I interpret that -- Hunt and his wife
>had dinner with a guy I don't like. Therefore, instead of
>asking him not to repeat something like that in the future,
>we had him bounced from the organization ...
You're missing the central point, and to appreciate it, you
have to understand how seriously and literally the Temple
of Set regards the office of the Priesthood of Set and the
institution of the Temple of Set itself. It's not "just a club",
and its initiatory degree system - of which by far the most
important is the Priesthood of Set III° - is regarded as a
sacred trust. Each individual so ordained and so consecrated
is expected to uphold the dignity and honor of Set and his
Temple at all times, under all circumstances. It was Hunt's
choice to socially associate himself with Locklin (whose
disgusting attitude and behavior towards the Temple and
various of its Initiates are well-known on alt.satanism) that,
in the judgment of the High Priest and Council of Nine,
dishonored his office and affiliation.
Delf was not a degreed Initiate of the Temple, of course, but
was a recipient of its highest non-Initiate honor: Honorary
Setian membership. Again it was the decision of the High
Priest and the Council that her socializing with someone
of the caliber and history of Locklin had disgraced the
honor; hence it was rescinded.
I might add that while I personally agree with both
decisions, neither was done by my recommendation
nor even vote. I retired from the High Priesthood in
1996, and am not a member of the Council of Nine.
Here on alt.satanism, where groups of various sizes,
orientations, and seriousness come and go routinely,
the sincerity and seriousness of the Temple of Set -
which indeed extends back to its previous existence
as the original, authentic Church of Satan prior to
1975, may be difficult for some newsgroup readers
to appreciate - and obviously altogether beyond the
comprehension of the Beavis & Butthead-level
mentality.
And quite obviously individuals who have been
Initiates of the Temple of Set, even at beginning levels
and for brief periods of time, realize this. And that is
why, if they are expelled for cause, they often manifest
such [to onlookers] extraordinary hatred. Something
deep within their souls has been shown to them, and
they can't bear to look at it. Therefore they would
smash the mirror, or, if it can't be smashed, at least
try to cover it with mud.
I might add that over the last quarter-century there
have been many individuals who have come to,
experienced, and departed from the Temple of Set
entirely pleasantly: they benefitting from the Temple
and the Temple benefitting from their creativity
and wisdom as well.
And yes, we do try to non-admit the probable failures
to begin with, through our literature and admission
interview/sponsorship process. There is no point in
admitting someone unsuited to this initiation, just to
see him/her stumble and fall. But it is not easy to
gauge in advance someone's initiatory potential, nor
sincerity for this very unusual kind of commitment.
And, to be fair, some persons do not know themselves
whether this is their cup of tea until they have tried
it out for awhile. Setian I° Locklin was a lump of
spoonfeedme deadwood from the start, but Filan was
an active and contributive Initiate, attaining
Recognition as an Adept II°, before he [politely]
decided that the Temple of Set was not for him.
[He resigned to become a Catholic!]
Michael Aquino
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People's Commissar
that much? Why? Did he cause you physical harm? Does he owe you money?
Did he harm your family? What did he DO to you?
So then, after what happened, the laws became stronger in protection of ALL
occult religions. What happened to him is SAD, Kevin, really sad. I'm
finding out from reading it HERE - really finding out what happened. What
CAN happen to anyone too, which I already knew - but which others NEED TO
KNOW.
Americans are way too ignorant about other nations, other regimes, and
revolutions/take overs. WAY too ignorant.
Nalls got death threats (no no, not the ones you see on websites) - real
ones. I guess he did not expect this? Heh.
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all you like. The ENTIRE document is solid. The LAST portion has to be
updated. It's not nice to anyone. It's just the facts.
REVISING to fit the facts, dear. In fact, THANKS TO YOU, I checked out the
old defunct stuff Vad had - and posted the updated one - updated due to new
information. I have letters from Seago too - no need to put up there, I
just paraphrased that - that was a previous update regarding the
specifically 1972 stuff.
That is not backpeddling, btw. All thanks to you. I DONT know who sent
that letter - that is a fact.
As to the 1972 stuff? That's confirmed. The letter to the PO box has a
date on it? It dates to when that Werewolf Order pamphlet came out - that's
not 1972, stupid. That 1972 stuff remains the same since there are letters
to support it - and I have the old copies. The only thing updated is the
LAST portion, regarding the Werewolf order. OK?
Stop lying - you'll make yourself into a fucking hick if you don't watch
out.
Nice to know you HARBOR such a nice, heart-grabbing grudge. Feels great! I
hope you die with that grudge :)
TJ
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>
> The only group I can think of which merits inclusion is the "Satanic Reds"
> group of Tani Jantsang and friends, though they certainly engage in
> illegal activities, by their own admissions. I leave it to you to
> ascertain how "fraudulent" they might be. Feel free to expand upon my
> list.
We do not engage in illegal activities. By what admission? The IRA members
are not in the USA (are they illegal? they are freedom fighters) and the
PLP members don't break the law - tho they advocate revolution; I don't see
them doing anything illegal. I would imagine some of our Green Party
members might get themselves arrested for nuisance acts, sure - many of
those people do but in acting WITH the GREEN PARTY. So did Jefferson
advocate that when and if. They read the 10 statements - they agree - they
fill out an application IF they agree.
As a matter of fact, every Wiccan, Pagan and other in this area knows who
"Aquino" is, or the words "Temple of Set." They don't know who the others
are. Yes, Baddeley - the fascism thing, yes indeed. Tim Jordan
interviewing Mag Rex. Newspaper interviewing Mag Nagy. Rahowa fan Mag.
Moynihan :) nice book. I like it.
Since SR advocates - oh go read it. Most of our people tend to be loner
Satanists (which I regard as the real kind) - and they are NOT the types to
go yelling about Satan all over the place, run around looking like vampires
or wearing Baphomets the size of plates screaming "LOOK AT ME (mommy,
daddy)." They do what we advocate they do regarding getting political
things in their favor (much like we did with the ARBC) and it doesn't matter
WHO or WHAT allies with them on it. Satanists, real ones, get what they
want - that's the point. They do that by being VERY chameleon like,
cunning, and affecting their Will on whoever or whatever can get things done
FOR them, if necessary.
I do not, eg, consider my posting on this "satanic" newsgroup, a satanic act
at all. Far from it. Occult means hidden, Lupo. This is not hidden.
TJ
People's Commissar
still very much around in the 1950's.
However if you got "offed" by them - you were "dead" to them, and it meant a
LOT - doors would be shut, no doors open. In the much older days - well - a
whole other scene.
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.
> The TOS sounds to me like the "old style" Freemasons - some of which were
> still very much around in the 1950's.
> However if you got "offed" by them - you were "dead" to them, and it meant a
> LOT - doors would be shut, no doors open. In the much older days - well - a
> whole other scene.
Oh bullshit. And you have to do quite *alot* to get thrown out of both BL and
SR freemasonry.
.
BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Sweetheart, the simple assumption that caliphate OTO is credibility on any
subject in ANY form only shines a very bright and clear light on your
ignorance.
Those bitches hand out IX and X like lollipops. Its a hollow popularity
contest entirely devoid of ALL of its original meaning and point, thanks to
the current ragin' texan and one very wimply financial supporter.
.
> As a matter of fact, every Wiccan, Pagan and other in this area knows who
> "Aquino" is, or the words "Temple of Set." They don't know who the others
> are. Yes, Baddeley - the fascism thing, yes indeed. Tim Jordan
> interviewing Mag Rex. Newspaper interviewing Mag Nagy. Rahowa fan Mag.
> Moynihan :) nice book. I like it.
Ahhh...wicca...the second most popular made-up-joke-religion in the world...
Next to scientology.
Kevin Filan
> I disagree. There were other Satanists "out" in the military. You hate
him
> that much? Why? Did he cause you physical harm? Does he owe you money?
> Did he harm your family? What did he DO to you?
I know quite a few Satanists who are in the military, and NONE of them are
"out." That's because they all have common sense.
It isn't that I hate Aquino that much. It's just that, due to his actions
on this newsgroup and elsewhere, I have no reason to give a flying fuck what
happens to Presidio-Boy. Why should I care if some obnoxious asshole who
has regularly caused problems for several people on this newsgroup winds up
washing socks and sucking cocks in Leavenworth? It's not MY problem.
What would your grandfather think? He drank blood out of his enemies'
skulls: you balk at sending an enemy to prison for a crime he may not have
committed. Your Turanian ancestors would be ashamed...
> So then, after what happened, the laws became stronger in protection of
ALL
> occult religions. What happened to him is SAD, Kevin, really sad.
The only sad thing is that he didn't wind up in prison. That way we
wouldn't have to endure his presence on this newsgroup.
Shit happens. It's just sad that it doesn't always happen to people who
deserve it.
> I'm
> finding out from reading it HERE - really finding out what happened. What
> CAN happen to anyone too, which I already knew - but which others NEED TO
> KNOW.
What people NEED TO KNOW is that you need to be discreet when discretion is
called for. I can see why this would escape you, and I can see that it has
escaped Molestin' Mikey. But the rest of us figured this out a long time
ago.
Peace
Kevin Filan
Blackjack
I think your following quotes illustrate my point just fine.
First:
"On the other hand, we're not interested in
monitoring or controlling Initiates' private lives _a la_
the Mormons, Scientology, etc"
Then,
"It was Hunt's
choice to socially associate himself with Locklin (whose
disgusting attitude and behavior towards the Temple and
various of its Initiates are well-known on alt.satanism) that,
in the judgment of the High Priest and Council of Nine,
dishonored his office and affiliation."
And,
"Again it was the decision of the High
Priest and the Council that her socializing with someone
of the caliber and history of Locklin had disgraced the
honor; hence it was rescinded."
Therefore, I believe initiates of the Temple should take note -- their
private lives and whom they socialize with is monitored. Somebody pretty
high up in the Temple told me himself.
-- Blackjack
People's Commissar
another COS member, was out in the Marines. Openly Satanist. Andre Soly, a
COS member was also openly Satanist - it said "Satanist" for his religion on
his dog tags.
My grandFATHER did no such thing. His brother did - to POW's that had
murdered women and children.
Everything was fine, Aquino had been out long prior to that. What Helms did
sucked and you know it. That he got off scott free doing it is INjustice.
Right, who gives a fuck about justice.
If it happened to LaVey we'd never hear the end of the "defense fund"
begging.
Talking about OUT - what did Blanche name her son? Satan.
TJ
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Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>Ahhh...wicca...the second most popular made-up-joke-
>religion in the world... Next to scientology.
Most of you young whippersnappers missed the Bad
Craziness in the '60s when Wicca was just starting up
and there were all sorts of oddballs howling Lineage
& Legitimacy: Sybil Leek, Raymond Buckland, Leo
Louis Martello, Witch Hazel, Gavin & Yvonne Frost,
Tim "Otter" Zell, Louise Huebner (the "Official Witch
of L.A." by Mayoral Proclamation), Aidan Kelly, and
of course His most Erect Archdruidness Isaac Bonewits.
I guess the rage was pretty much started by Margaret
Murray's _The Witch Cult in Western Europe_ and
Gerald Gardner's creative revival of same (with ritual
texts created for him by Aleister Crowley).
Today's Wicca has settled into the saddle a bit and become
less zany, more respectable. Hug a tree; you'll like it. :-)
As for Scientology, I never cease to marvel at how some
sci-fi fiction of Ron Hubbard's could become fan-transformed
into a full-blown religious movement (well, weirdscience
movement that saw governmenthassle writing on the
wall and made haste to recloak itself in 1st Amendment
"church" garb!).
Robert Heinlein could have done the same thing with the
'60s enthusiasm over _Stranger in a Strange Land_
[remember "grokking" and "Water Brother"?], but was
apparently too no-nonsensical to do so.
A year or two after the founding of the Temple of Set,
I wrote my _Dark Side_ sequel to _Star Wars_, now at:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/index.html
Magister Michael Grumboski promptly wrote me: "No,
no, you've got it *backwards* - *first* you write the
sci-fi, *then* you start the religious cult based on it!"
Shucks! :-(
Michael Aquino
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"People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote:
>Dale Seago, another COS member, was out in the Marines.
>Openly Satanist.
Dale was a Warlock II° at the time. He wrote me (III°) to ask
for help because his Marine company commander was
apparently putting discriminatory pressure on him. I
wrote a letter on behalf of the Church to the base commander
(a Navy admiral), and the intimidation of Seago stopped
instantly. [That was around 1971-2, when Satanism was
well on the way to general tolerance as a new religion, i.e.
before the country went apeshit in the 80s.]
>Everything was fine, Aquino had been out long prior to that.
- From the moment I joined the Church of Satan in 1969
while a 2nd Lieutenant. I had a "portable" ritual chamber
in various of my hooches in Vietnam in 69-70, and heard,
not entirely to my dissatisfaction, that the superstitious
Vietnamese considered me "off limits" as a target because
of my reputation as a "dangerous shaman". Whatever
gets you through the night, as it were!
>What Helms did sucked and you know it. That he got off scott
>free doing it is INjustice.
He didn't get off scott free. It was the worst mistake he ever
made in his career, and that's all I have to say about that.
>Right, who gives a fuck about justice.
The Prince of Darkness.
Michael Aquino
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Circe
>
>
> It isn't that I hate Aquino that much. It's just that, due to his actions
> on this newsgroup and elsewhere,
HaHaHa! You complaining about others actions on this NG is,well, laughable
at best you chump! You are such a hypocrite Filan and I mean a serious
hypocrite!
.
> I know you have to do a lot. But the way Aquino talks about the attitude is
> similar.
True. Its the religion aspect of the ToS that leaves a bad taste in my mouth
in this regard.
.
> Hash: SHA1
> yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>>Ahhh...wicca...the second most popular made-up-joke-
>>religion in the world... Next to scientology.
> Most of you young whippersnappers missed the Bad
> Craziness in the '60s when Wicca was just starting up
> and there were all sorts of oddballs howling Lineage
> & Legitimacy: Sybil Leek, Raymond Buckland, Leo
> Louis Martello, Witch Hazel, Gavin & Yvonne Frost,
Stop RIGHT there. Every last one of them drew on the work
of Gardner for inspiration (or downright theft--with the
exception of buckland, for whom I will always have a warm place
in my heart; see the "smilie" talisman), and the reasoning
behind Garnder's creation of wicca was precisely the same as
GPO's and Elron's.
> Tim "Otter" Zell, Louise Huebner (the "Official Witch
> of L.A." by Mayoral Proclamation), Aidan Kelly, and
> of course His most Erect Archdruidness Isaac Bonewits.
Blah. Psychodramatic thaumaturgy.
> I guess the rage was pretty much started by Margaret
> Murray's _The Witch Cult in Western Europe_ and
> Gerald Gardner's creative revival of same (with ritual
> texts created for him by Aleister Crowley).
Yes, but do you know *why*?
The history of modern western occultism is best learned by talking
to as many people who were actually THERE as possible. Theres a
really good reason for "lineage". Thus, the COTO is entirely
moot.
> Today's Wicca has settled into the saddle a bit and become
> less zany, more respectable. Hug a tree; you'll like it. :-)
Agreed. Theres nothing stopping something that started as a
joke/experiment from becoming legit.
> As for Scientology, I never cease to marvel at how some
> sci-fi fiction of Ron Hubbard's could become fan-transformed
> into a full-blown religious movement (well, weirdscience
> movement that saw governmenthassle writing on the
> wall and made haste to recloak itself in 1st Amendment
> "church" garb!).
The same could be said for wicca, though it didnt have the extreme
plus of being backed up by hoards of awful sci fi novels.
> Robert Heinlein could have done the same thing with the
> '60s enthusiasm over _Stranger in a Strange Land_
> [remember "grokking" and "Water Brother"?], but was
> apparently too no-nonsensical to do so.
They still exist, frighteningly enough.
> A year or two after the founding of the Temple of Set,
> I wrote my _Dark Side_ sequel to _Star Wars_, now at:
> http://www.xeper.org/maquino/index.html
> Magister Michael Grumboski promptly wrote me: "No,
> no, you've got it *backwards* - *first* you write the
> sci-fi, *then* you start the religious cult based on it!"
> Shucks! :-(
Indeed. The ToS could have been quite different today if you had
reversed that shot.
Mr. Scratch
> It was Hunt's choice to socially associate himself with Locklin (whose
> disgusting attitude and behavior towards the Temple and various of its
> Initiates are well-known on alt.satanism) that, in the judgment of the
> High Priest and Council of Nine, dishonored his office and
> affiliation.
Frankly, I don't know why you complain so bitterly about Jesse Helms
trashing your career. He isn't doing anything you (and your gang)
wouldn't do.
Look at it this way; you found my dual association with the ToS and
Locklin to be disgraceful, and so you had me booted from an organization I
had served devotedly.
Well, Jesse Helms certainly had reason to believe your dual association
with the US Army and a Satanic church were disgraceful -- even more so,
because you made yourself a public figure. I at least had the good sense
to keep my private affairs private.
Think of it: there you were, a fairly high-ranking commissioned officer in
the Army, who was expected (just as I was as a Priest of Set) to represent
that branch of service with honor and dignity, in a way that presented
that organization in its best light. This requirement that military
officers (such as yourself at that time) comport themselves in a way that
reflects well on their service does not only hold true when they are in
uniform, but also in their private lives. This is clearly explained in
the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Then, out you came, parading yourself before the mid-80's version of Jerry
Springer, on national TV, announcing yourself to be the High Priest of the
"preeminent Satanic organization in the world." Putting discussion of the
validity of Satanism aside, do you really think this was putting the best
face on the military branch you were sworn to support and uphold? Do you
think that their maintaining the founder of a Satanic church amidst their
command structure made it any easier for the Army to obtain funding or
recruits? Considering that Jesse Helms was a tremendous supporter of the
military (and an important ally of the military in the Senate), is it any
surprise they should have attempted to trounce you out, and failing that,
exiled you to some unimportant hinterlands of the Military Intelligence
community?
Naturally, you will argue that your private life as a Satanic High Priest
and your professional responsibilities as an Army officer were two
separate spheres, and that one need not detract from the other. However,
you clearly would not accept this argument when I tried to explain that my
private friendship with Locklin was entirely separate from my professional
responsibilities as a Priest of Set -- no, all of a sudden my private life
was held to a high standard of scrutiny...just as yours was as a
commissioned officer.
Now don't get me wrong -- I don't like Helms any more than you do, and I
think his actions toward you were ethically wrong...just as were your and
the Council's actions against me. However, the reason I don't like Helms
is because I consider his attacks on the civil liberties of Americans to
be an undermining of our Constitutional Bill of Rights. I dislike him,
not just because of his ideas, or his choice of political opponents, but
because I consider the very basis of his technique to be a violation of my
most important principles.
But you? You don't really disagree with his methodology at all -- hell,
you and your frustrated gang of insignificant Napoleons seek out
opportunities to follow in Helms' footsteps whenever you can. You only
hate Helms because he happened to use said maneuvers to play
"Whack-a-Mole" with your career.
All that really separates you from Helms is the scale of your power.
Helms had the real stuff, and you and your Temple henchmen have an
"Ascended Master" variety of role-playing game that masquerades as power.
Other than that, you are two of a kind.
Well, if you could see my face, you'd probably note the lack of
chin-quivering or swollen red tearful eyes in response to your plight.
I guess I'm a little short on sympathy for petty despots who get squashed
by other despots.
> Michael Aquino
Mr. Scratch
Priest of Set
www.radio-free-setian.com
Dr. Michael A. Aquino
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Craig Hunt <scr...@efn.org> wrote:
>Look at it this way; you found my dual association
>with the ToS and Locklin to be disgraceful, and so you
>had me booted from an organization I had served devotedly.
As I have pointed out, I personally had nothing to do with
the High Priest's and Councillors' unanimous decision.
I was not asked for either my opinion or my recommendation.
And of course it was the HP/C9 decision that by your
association with Locklin you had *not* "served the Temple
devotedly" but instead had disgraced your office.
>Well, Jesse Helms certainly had reason to believe
>your dual association with the US Army and a Satanic
>church were disgraceful
He had no reason whatever. Had he taken the time to
first request copies of my Army Officer Efficiency Reports
(going back to 1968), he would have seen them to be
uniformly exemplary. [And my religion was a matter
of record in the Army since I joined the Church of Satan
in 1969.]
Similarly, if Helms had taken the time to investigate the
Temple of Set, he would have found it a state/federally-
recognized church with an impeccable record and
credentials.
He of course did neither, and simply acted, as he habitually
has, on his gut prejudice, intolerance, and hatreds.
>Then, out you came, parading yourself before the mid-80's
>version of Jerry Springer, on national TV, announcing
>yourself to be the High Priest of the "preeminent Satanic
>organization in the world." Putting discussion of the
>validity of Satanism aside, do you really think this was
>putting the best face on the military branch you were
>sworn to support and uphold?
Well Good Morning America! How do you think that Rivera
approached me, at a point just after the FBI and SFPD had
closed their one-year investigation of the Adams-Thompson
scam? "If you agree to be a panelist on this Halloween
Satanism special, you can speak up for and defend yourself.
Otherwise you and the Temple of Set will be talked about
by others who we of course can't guarantee will be truthful."
Rivera's people used the same tactic on Anton, who decided
to hide behind Zeena and sent her to defend him, his books,
and the C/S.
Against the two of us were several witchhunt-enthusiasts
on the "panel" (which, as we had expected, was never
intended to be a true panel but just a GR sounding-board)
and a number of pre-picked, specially invited antiSatanists
in the "audience". Under those circumstances I'd say - and
all of the feedback that I received after the broadcast
reinforced - that Zeena and I did a pretty good job of
standing up for our religion with dignity and sincerity.
>Do you think that their maintaining the founder of a
>Satanic church amidst their command structure made
>it any easier for the Army to obtain funding or recruits?
Earth to Hunt: By the 1980s the Army had *scores* of non-
Judaeo-Christian religions represented in its ranks, of
which the Church of Satan and the Temple of Set were
well-known and not even the most difficult for the Army
to live with. We didn't have to pause on patrol at dawn and
pray to Mecca, or refuse to cut our beards and make gas
mask-fits impossible, or demand to wear turbans and
carry Sikh knives in our belts. We didn't demand sweat
lodges on base to toke grass in. We didn't even demand
Army chaplains or part-time use of post chapels for
Black Masses, Calls to Cthulhu, or vampire resurrections.
In short, the Army got along with us, and myself, just
fine until Jesse threw his Matthew Hopkins fit.
>Considering that Jesse Helms was a tremendous supporter
>of the military (and an important ally of the military in
>the Senate), is it any surprise they should have attempted
>to trounce you out, and failing that, exiled you to some
>unimportant hinterlands of the Military Intelligence
>community?
Given Beltway politics, which I know well, it's no surprise
to me that Marsh would have attempted to appease Helms.
Helms' good will & support was obviously more valuable
to Marsh than any individual Lt.Colonel. [It's a standing
joke in the armed forces that LTC is the "sacrifice rank":
high enough to be held responsible for an identified problem,
not high enough - like senior bull colonels and flag officers -
to be blessed with immunity. Why do you think that Ollie
North took the fall in Iran-Contra?]
So Marsh in effect told the CID to scare Lilith and myself
enough so that I would resign. He sent the Judge Adocate
General of the Army - a 3-star - over to Helms' office to
personally brief him - that's how much genuflecting was
going on.
As for my next assignment in 1990, it was hardly to
"unimportant hinterlands", but to the J2 Joint Staff
Intelligence Office of Headquarters U.S. Space Command
and the North American Air Defense Command in
Colorado Springs - also requiring an extremely high
compartmented security clearance, as well as completion
of the Army Space Intelligence Officer's Course, to which
I was sent en route to USSPACECOM. At the time I was
one of the very few Army MI officers with the 3Y Space
Activities ASI credential.
>Naturally, you will argue that your private life as a
>Satanic High Priest and your professional responsibilities
>as an Army officer were two separate spheres, and that
>one need not detract from the other. However, you
>clearly would not accept this argument when I tried to
>explain that my private friendship with Locklin was
>entirely separate from my professional responsibilities
>as a Priest of Set ...
For the simple reason that, as an Army officer, I never
once dishonored the sacred Priesthood which I had accepted.
And as a Priest of Mendes and later of Set, I never compromised
the standards of morals, ethics, and conduct expected of a
commissioned officer. [*That's* why all that March could
think of to do was that CID black-bag stunt.]
You on the other hand knew that as an ordained Priest of
Set, you carried your office with your person 24 hours/day,
wherever you might be, in whatever company. You were
not expected to flaunt or advertise it inappropriately, but
you *were* expected always to dignify it, never to shame
it. In the opinion of the High Priest and the Council, you
failed in that trust.
>You don't really disagree with his methodology at all --
>hell, you and your frustrated gang of insignificant
>Napoleons seek out opportunities to follow in Helms'
>footsteps whenever you can. You only hate Helms
>because he happened to use said maneuvers to play
>"Whack-a-Mole" with your career.
Read again the "Ethics" section of your _Crystal Tablet_,
which you should have taken to heart as a Setian I°.
Helms' conduct would never be tolerated among
Setians. And I don't "hate" Jesse Helms; I just consider
him one of those very dangerous inhabitants of the
Country of the Blind.
>Mr. Scratch
>Priest of Set
The sooner you have the self-respect to cease affecting
this title, the sooner you're on the road to positively
reconstructing your future.
Michael Aquino
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Mr. Scratch
> Craig Hunt <scr...@efn.org> wrote:
>
> > Look at it this way; you found my dual association
> > with the ToS and Locklin to be disgraceful, and so you
> > had me booted from an organization I had served devotedly.
>
> And of course it was the HP/C9 decision that by your
> association with Locklin you had *not* "served the Temple
> devotedly" but instead had disgraced your office.
*Shrug*
Again, just as it was the opinion of high-ranking officers of the Army
that you had *not* served the Army devotedly, but had disgraced your
position as a commissioned officer by trumpeting your Satanism to the
world.
I'm sufficiently aware of what would have constituted a genuine disgrace
to my Priesthood, and regardless of the conspiracy-spinning paranoia of
your High Priest and the Co9, nothing of the sort took place through my
friendship with Locklin or any other non-ToS Satanist. Indeed, I
considered those friendships to be beneficial to the Temple of Set,
insofar as I was able to gain the respect of many of the Temple of Set's
critics, and occasionally convince them to hold back on their artillery.
Naturally, you have no appreciation of this, but it is true nonetheless.
Contrast this "disgrace" of mine, against the very real damage that you
inflicted on the image of the U.S. Army with your public Satanic ballyhoo.
> > Well, Jesse Helms certainly had reason to believe
> > your dual association with the US Army and a Satanic
> > church were disgraceful
>
> He had no reason whatever. Had he taken the time to
> first request copies of my Army Officer Efficiency Reports
> (going back to 1968), he would have seen them to be
> uniformly exemplary. [And my religion was a matter
> of record in the Army since I joined the Church of Satan
> in 1969.]
Yes, he certainly did have reason to believe your association with the
Army and a Satanic church were disgraceful. He had far more reason to
think so than you and your Temple had to believe the same about my
friendship with Locklin. You, at least, were putting the Army's
reputation in some serious jeopardy.
Perhaps you were not aware of this at the time, but when an active duty
Lt. Col. shows up on TV, announcing that he is in charge of what he claims
is the most influential Satanic cult in the world, people listen -- and
quite a number of those people will be rather displeased about the
revelation. Some of those people are Mom-n-Pop Americans in Nebraska, to
whom Satanism is just plain weird and scary. The idea of someone like you
being in a position to take the reins in the armed forces isn't going to
sit well with them. Do you suppose they want their sons and daughters
serving under someone they consider synonymous with evil? Also consider
that, in the midst of a bizarre hysteria about Satanic Ritual Abuse that
was sweeping the nation, YOU provided a link between the U.S. Army and
wild conspiracy theories accusing the highest levels of government of
involvement in nefarious murder/molestation schemes. You know damn well
it's true; even now as the hysteria dies, every remaining SRA kook in the
country is quick to bolster his case by pointing out your role as a PSYOPS
officer in the Army, and your link to SRA. D'you really think this didn't
give the Army a tremendous black eye? Do you really think the Army wanted
this kind of PR headache? Did you really imagine they wouldn't do
anything to put a stop to it?
Now, look at it from Helms' point of view; there he was, trying to
maintain funding for a massive Pentagon/military budget in the face of a
considerable deficit and recession. To do this, the military needed to
maintain a positive public image, especially difficult in the aftermath of
the Iran-Contra scandal. And then you show up, a senior officer, crowing
that you had founded a church dedicated to the planet's most unpopular
religion, at a time when its adherents (most especially yourself) were
being accused of outrageous crimes by people on both the political Right
and Left wings. What do you suppose Helms had to say about this?
So yes, for right or wrong, Jesse Helms damn well did have some reason to
find your dual Army/Satanist allegiances to be disgraceful -- even
dangerous in a very real political sense. And he acted on this finding
just as your Temple did with me.
Perhaps he was just trying to do for you what you recently claimed the Co9
and HP had done for me: free you from your tedious responsibilities in
the U.S. Officer Corps, so you could enjoy more fulfilling personal
pursuits such as running your own Satanic cult. By the same logic you've
offered here, maybe ol' Jesse was just doing you a favor. :)
As for your exemplary reviews as an officer, I submit that my own
performance as a Priest of Set was without stain. But past performance
didn't make much difference in my case either, did it?
> > Then, out you came, parading yourself before the mid-80's
> > version of Jerry Springer, on national TV, announcing
> > yourself to be the High Priest of the "preeminent Satanic
> > organization in the world." Putting discussion of the
> > validity of Satanism aside, do you really think this was
> > putting the best face on the military branch you were
> > sworn to support and uphold?
>
> Well Good Morning America! How do you think that Rivera
> approached me, at a point just after the FBI and SFPD had
> closed their one-year investigation of the Adams-Thompson
> scam? "If you agree to be a panelist on this Halloween
> Satanism special, you can speak up for and defend yourself.
> Otherwise you and the Temple of Set will be talked about
> by others who we of course can't guarantee will be truthful."
And you fell for this old trick. It's a standby of police investigators
to crack the weakest nut of a criminal ring by this very same technique:
"If you don't speak up for yourself and tell us what happened, you'll take
the blame entirely! We're here t' help you out." Maybe if you'd put up
more resistance, you'd have a full-bird's pension by now.
Again, I have to wonder about the Psychological Warfare operative who
didn't see this one coming from a mile away.
Putting that aside to consider your circumstances as a fellow placed
between a rock and a hard spot, I can understand your wanting to go
public. But at the same time, you had a responsibility to the military to
ensure that they would not be placed in a difficult position as a result
of your associations. Whatever else you want to say about it, you did not
protect the military's interest in this matter.
> > Do you think that their maintaining the founder of a
> > Satanic church amidst their command structure made
> > it any easier for the Army to obtain funding or recruits?
>
> Earth to Hunt: By the 1980s the Army had *scores* of non-
> Judaeo-Christian religions represented in its ranks, of
> which the Church of Satan and the Temple of Set were
> well-known and not even the most difficult for the Army
> to live with. We didn't have to pause on patrol at dawn and
> pray to Mecca, or refuse to cut our beards and make gas
> mask-fits impossible, or demand to wear turbans and
> carry Sikh knives in our belts. We didn't demand sweat
> lodges on base to toke grass in. We didn't even demand
> Army chaplains or part-time use of post chapels for
> Black Masses, Calls to Cthulhu, or vampire resurrections.
>
> In short, the Army got along with us, and myself, just
> fine until Jesse threw his Matthew Hopkins fit.
Uh, Scratch to Aquino: have you forgotten that I was in the military at
the time myself, even as a member of your Temple in the latter days? I'm
well aware of the status of military neo-pagans and Setians at the time.
While the Army /largely/ didn't hassle us on a professional basis, it
wasn't particularly welcoming to the notion of oddball cultists in its
ranks either -- and the military's tolerance of such "unique" theologies
depended to a considerable degree on keeping one's mouth shut about it.
It didn't take me long, even starting out as a lowly PFC, to figure out
that I'd be better off playing down the Satanist image if I was going to
get anywhere in the military.
You obviously chose a different route, by having your image and
affiliations broadcast to the planet. That's fine. But you should have
also recognized that the world is not a place that works according to what
you consider "fair," and that there would be serious repercussions to your
establishing a tangible link between Satanism and the U.S. Military
Intelligence community.
> > Considering that Jesse Helms was a tremendous supporter
> > of the military (and an important ally of the military in
> > the Senate), is it any surprise they should have attempted
> > to trounce you out, and failing that, exiled you to some
> > unimportant hinterlands of the Military Intelligence
> > community?
>
> Given Beltway politics, which I know well, it's no surprise
> to me that Marsh would have attempted to appease Helms.
> Helms' good will & support was obviously more valuable
> to Marsh than any individual Lt.Colonel.
>
> So Marsh in effect told the CID to scare Lilith and myself
> enough so that I would resign. He sent the Judge Adocate
> General of the Army - a 3-star - over to Helms' office to
> personally brief him - that's how much genuflecting was
> going on.
There you go. Now you can't say the Army had no reason to find your
allegiance to Satanism disgraceful. You start messing with the
purse-strings, you are likely to find yourself looking for a new job.
> As for my next assignment in 1990, it was hardly to "unimportant
> hinterlands", but to the J2 Joint Staff Intelligence Office of
> Headquarters U.S. Space Command and the North American Air Defense
> Command in Colorado Springs
Yes, I know that sounds very fancy. But let's face the facts: prior to
your titling, you were a long-term active duty Psychological Warfare
specialist (with what, 15 years experience or more?). Suddenly, after
you'd been spanked, you magically became a *reserve* officer (on at least
occasional active duty status -- making someone an active duty reserve
gives the Army the power of easily making that officer an "inactive" if he
misbehaves), placed in a command structure which appears to have had
little or no need for a PSYOPS expert at all. In fact, they sent you back
off to school, apparently so you could learn to fulfill some other
reasonably useful function until they could retire you off and be rid of
you.
I've seen it happen before, in the military and the government at large: a
medium-level functionary rat-fucks his career, but they can't fire him.
So, he's sent off the some dead-end job -- someplace where he can't screw
up something of importance -- to fritter away the remaining days until
pension time. It's the bureaucratic equivalent to being assigned to a
diplomatic mission to Outer Mongolia.
As fancy-schmancy as your rocket-ship intel job sounds to the non-military
rubes, it was probably spent hunched over a mountain of satellite photos
with a magnifying glass, or some such. Who knows. Nonetheless, I think
we can be reasonably certain that whatever your job entailed, the Army
wasn't exactly handing you any rewards after titling you.
> > Naturally, you will argue that your private life as a
> > Satanic High Priest and your professional responsibilities
> > as an Army officer were two separate spheres, and that
> > one need not detract from the other. However, you
> > clearly would not accept this argument when I tried to
> > explain that my private friendship with Locklin was
> > entirely separate from my professional responsibilities
> > as a Priest of Set ...
>
> For the simple reason that, as an Army officer, I never
> once dishonored the sacred Priesthood which I had accepted.
> And as a Priest of Mendes and later of Set, I never compromised
> the standards of morals, ethics, and conduct expected of a
> commissioned officer. [*That's* why all that March could
> think of to do was that CID black-bag stunt.]
You might want to go over my quote again. I'm not arguing that you
disgraced the ToS with your Army involvement. Just the opposite, in fact;
I'm saying that, in the eyes of those who held the reins, you embarrassed
the military with your parading around as a Satanic High Priest. And THAT
is the reason Jesse Helms nuked your ass.
You may not like it. You may not think it fair. But it is essentially
the same circumstances under which I was ejected from the Temple of Set,
with the same standard of organizational nosiness into private affairs,
disregard for the evidence, and lack of due process. Yet you seem to
think my expulsion was fine and dandy.
Really, I had a lot more sympathy for you when I hadn't seen it
demonstrated that you'd do the exact same thing if you were in Helms'
shoes. In my opinion, you can't really demand fairness unless you are
also willing to give it as well.
> You on the other hand knew that as an ordained Priest of
> Set, you carried your office with your person 24 hours/day,
> wherever you might be, in whatever company. You were
> not expected to flaunt or advertise it inappropriately, but
> you *were* expected always to dignify it, never to shame
> it. In the opinion of the High Priest and the Council, you
> failed in that trust.
...just as you were expected to do the same as a trusted officer in the
Army. And you "failed" to do so, by the same "standards" (if they can
laughably be called such) as I did, only in your case with far more
disastrous effect.
> > You don't really disagree with his methodology at all --
> > hell, you and your frustrated gang of insignificant
> > Napoleons seek out opportunities to follow in Helms'
> > footsteps whenever you can. You only hate Helms
> > because he happened to use said maneuvers to play
> > "Whack-a-Mole" with your career.
>
> Read again the "Ethics" section of your _Crystal Tablet_,
> which you should have taken to heart as a Setian I°.
> Helms' conduct would never be tolerated among
> Setians.
*Mr. Scratch laughs uproariously*
Oh, yes it would and then some. Not only would such behavior be
tolerated, it would be fostered -- and is.
You and your upper-level Temple hierarchy would be a page from Helms'
book, if it weren't for the fact that the scale of your underhanded little
bitchfights are infinitesimal compared to the influence that Helms wielded
over not just this nation, but the world. Helms, for all his faults,
played a hand in toppling one of the 20th Century's most dangerous
empires. Your Temple? A dozen or so Ascended Masters squabbling over who
gets to boss around a couple hundred bored, middle-class goth kids (most
of whom will be moving on once the jig is up on the inherent silliness of
the whole charade).
> And I don't "hate" Jesse Helms; I just consider
> him one of those very dangerous inhabitants of the
> Country of the Blind.
[and elsewhere]
> He of course did neither, and simply acted, as he
> habitually has, on his gut prejudice, intolerance, and hatreds.
Pshaw. I thought that PSYOPS stuff was supposed to make you cognizant of
your opponents' opinions and motivations, so you could prepare for,
counter and neutralize their efforts.
Perhaps it is that lack of vision into the minds of those you oppose that
permits you to be eternally baffled and surprised by the "irrational"
actions of your alleged "enemies."
> >Mr. Scratch
> >Priest of Set
>
> The sooner you have the self-respect to cease affecting
> this title, the sooner you're on the road to positively
> reconstructing your future.
I'll be done with it when the Prince of Darkness is done with me. Thanks
for your concern. ;-)
> Michael Aquino
Mr. Scratch
Priest of Set
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such a lineage in the West - especially among the Celts.
Murray - and that other one, forgot her name just now, Mead? - she wrote
about Samoa along with the Boaz school - it was politicized! It merged with
women's rights which became feminism - merged with gay rights which
incorporated Hellenic stuff (Spartans and Lesbos), the American Indian
movement (shamanism) and would have merged with the Black Power movement but
that never worked out.
POLITICS me dear boy. Um, I mean, you young whippersnapper! OH, do I
remember Sybil Leak? LMAO!
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military officer being a Jew. Even today, there are people who don't like
haveing an officer who is Jewish, over them. It's the same thing. There
are many Japanese and Indian-Hindu people (American born) in the military
now. Are ANY of them officers of high rank?
Wait, did Aquino bring an enemy of the army TO the army base, or let one
drive him there?
That would be similar to what happened with you and Lupo, re the TOS; no?
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Helms will be suffering for the rest of his life. He has some pretty amusing
medical maladies, can't even walk properly.
I posted his retirement smugly because I disliked his politics. I didn't
even think of this nonsense when I did.
I don't see why even discussing "SRA" is immediately labelled whining by
some. Personally, I never was nor will be affected by it ..... I think
knowing the dynamics of any societal trend is to my advantage, however.
Also, I don't "feel sorry" for this particular man (Aquino) .... I can only
say I've read the "case" and it was a joke.
Life is dynamic ... There is not a status quo with which we can consistently
say
"this is what is and will be" and not what "ought to be". In your life, you
manifest change at a personal and group level.
May your choices be wise ones.
Jason Yuschenko
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ruinator) ousted Molotov and others, he did send Molotov to be Ambassador to
Outer Mongolia. Ha! Really. He was happily welcomed there, however, and
half the population named their next kids "Molotov." :)
This is true - way back in early 1980 I was seeing stuff from ultra
conservative factions (keep on top of that, good idea) and I DID send it off
to well, "Anton Lavey and Michael Aquino, 6114, California St. San Fransicso
Calif." Guess only Anton got it - but I never gave him any return addy with
it. It was anonymously mailed copies of "danger on the horizon"
information. I figured he's in turn copy it and pass it out to everyone.
Guess he didn't.
The Christian right got wind of how the organized Left "infiltrated" so much
stuff at all levels at one time here - and learned HOW to do this. They are
doing it NOW, even on the level of school boards - they are trying to get
in. So then, the wise Satanist joins the New Assembly of God and keeps an
eye on them.
That IS something Dr. A should have been aware of - and the fact that money
talks and pulls strings. I'll be he lost a LOT of faith in this country.
Among the old timer Satanists that saw Dr. A. on TV, however, he will be
remembered as the person who, best of all, countered the lies of these SRA
bastards, he nailed them down and was superb. Gilmore was sending me all
the video tapes of all this stuff. Dr. A. did REALLY well.
Among the newcomer Satanists, I'm showing them these conversations in
egroups (they don't read this newsgroup at all) so that they can KNOW WHAT
CAN HAPPEN and not be so pie in the sky naive about this stuff. Nalls was
shocked he got death threats when he announced "Satan Day." Like DUH?
Hello Ashcroft. Hi Bob Jones. Did ya know that the Pope was the leader of
a devil's cult? Wow.
Duh question of the year: Do you think these Fundies have a political
agenda?
As for toppling the most threatening Empire in the 20th century - hold on
there Scratch. It ain't over yet. You THINK it is - and that's dangerous.
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I can only see it as ironic when ASL etc is attacked with other unproven
allegations, however.
Maybe you get the enemies you deserve?
Jason Yuschenko
.
> such a lineage in the West - especially among the Celts.
Sweetheart, all the celts are DEAD. THERE ARE NO MORE CELTS.
Christ, I hate when people throw words like that around.
> Murray - and that other one, forgot her name just now, Mead? - she wrote
> about Samoa along with the Boaz school - it was politicized!
It was also entirely meaningless.
> It merged with
> women's rights which became feminism - merged with gay rights which
> incorporated Hellenic stuff
As she saw it, a best guess at best...and very likely not a very good one at that.
> (Spartans and Lesbos), the American Indian
> movement (shamanism) and would have merged with the Black Power movement but
> that never worked out.
Thats because no one remembers how to BE a shaman. Theyre all dead too.
> POLITICS me dear boy. Um, I mean, you young whippersnapper! OH, do I
> remember Sybil Leak? LMAO!
Oh, I understand politics. See the COTO for details.
> Cahl me now fer ya free readin.... Gotta love Miss. Cleo! She's cute.
I wish her fake jamaican accent was consistent.