We are all just stars on your burning flag...
Dank 110100100
A good god is hard to find
I'll join the crowd that wants to see me dead
Right now I feel I belong for the first time
Multiply your death
Divide by sex
Add up the violence
And what do you get?
We are all just stars and we're waiting
We are all just scarred and we're hating
We are all just stars on your burning flag
You can point your gun at me
And hope it will go away
But if god was alive
He would hate you anyway
My right wing is flapping, the left one is gay
Let's hear it for the kids but nothing they say
They gyrate and G-rate on Election Day
We got our ABC's and our F-U-C-K
We are all just stars and we're waiting
We are all just scarred and we're hating
We are all just stars on your burning flag
-- Marilyn Manson, "Burning Flag"
dolf
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July 04, 2009
Article from: Australian Associated Press
A GROUP of sailors from HMAS Success has been sent home and an inquiry
is underway after they allegedly plotted a challenge to have sex with as
many female crewmates as possible.
The sailors allegedly detailed their plot in a document called �The
Ledger� where dollar values were placed on each woman's head, during an
overseas deployment in May, Channel Seven reports.
Larger amounts were offered if the sailors could sleep with a female
officer or a lesbian and sailors challenged each other to have sex in
various locations, including on top of a pool table, the report said.
- http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25733567-12377,00.html
The statement said the navy demands a working environment �free from
unacceptable behaviour�.
It warns all of its staff to �treat others fairly� and that any form of
unacceptable behaviour �will be dealt with�.
Has anyone seen that cougar rosy belle <<k�ll�>> (316...@gmail.com)
following close behind? How's that itchy vagina of yours? This use to be
a funhouse... "
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Still throwing the
f-bomb around euphemistically, Vera? ::: Jesus is just so very PROUD :::"
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I pitched a zombie/porno to a producer in
film school once.
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Back to your
euphemistic vulgarities I see. ::: Jesus is so PROUD ::: of you, Vera. "
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Zombie-ism as Sexually Transmitted
Disease. The whole script was about unprotected sex and everyone who was
infected got infected by fucking."
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Well...at least we
now know you're reading the posts you need to."
(ru) dolf: "Ali 'G' as intense sensual prelude, Borat's what sexy feels
like and Bruno's add-lib for increased sexual desire and passion doesn't
do it for you?"
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "And, of course, everyone fucking gets
infected except the two virgins."
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "I wonder when
she's going to realise that a major part of her 'testimony' was getting
away from inadequate / abusive men."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "I think she subconsciously
uses those stories in order to attract abusive men."
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "And now she's
chasing round defending exactly the same type (except that these do it
with 'scripture')."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Not only "chasing round"
but right on the heels of Randy (and any other male who shows even just
a smidgen of interest in her) because she needs his approval. I imagine
her father was also abusive (her stories of how she would sleep in his
bed are revealing) and she's been attracting and chasing the same kind
of men ever since. There was a time when John Weatherly told her he
would propose to her with a gun held to her head and she didn't even
blink and eye. In fact, she continued to chase after him even after that."
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Oh, and instead of saying "BRAINSSSSS" the
female zombies would moan "COCKKKKKK"
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Excuse me,
but...what? I never said any such thing - I've never said 'don't do
works because you don't have to in order to be saved'. Funny...you
accuse Randy of putting words in people's mouths but that's exactly what
you just did to me. I'm done with you - you're poisonous."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Another one with deep,
deep emotional issues."
(ru) dolf: "According to the May/June 2009 (Vol 42 No 3) edition of
Psychology Today: Failure destroys some people and scientists are
discovering that such in-utero events can have lifelong effects."
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I thought I might eventually actually
write it. Seemed pretty epic at the time." [The Joblo Movie Network,
Arrow in The Head's Porn Star Zombies (2010)]
(ru) dolf: "K�ll� or is it Kelly? What is the difference between the
cartoon Family Guy, Bruno parading the streets as a Knight with a horse
and his daughter Olive Cohen at the Farmer's Market holding a rabbit?"
Bazza Magoo (Barry [Lucy Boots] OGrady): "What is Qolan Dolt? You should
quore something before your reply. Only fools top post."
(ru) dolf: "But how honest is his Karl Stefanovic impersonation?
According to 2009.6.24 media reports by Jason Koutsoukis courtesy: The
Age Newspaper, former treasurer Peter Costello and Ms Gillard visiting
Jerusalem, have called for a different kind of conversation from world
leaders trying to promote freedom and justice: "If the root of democracy
is conversation, then the true root of friendship is honesty," Ms
Gillard said.
"We should be honest about the difficulty of achieving a just and
lasting settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
"We should be honest about where we all fail to live up to our ideals.
We should be honest about how, despite its importance, politics is only
one small part of what shapes our lives and our actions. We should be
honest about what each of our nations still has to learn.
"And we should use honesty to make our exchanges and our differences
more valuable and better appreciated." [(c) 2009 Fairfax Digital, The
Australian Newspaper 2009.6.24 on-line edition]
(ru) dolf: "I had to have an ugly discussion on stalking with my local
Arab deli store owner about the probity of telephoning radio stations to
inform on their customers consumer habits.
Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "This public service announcement
has been brought to you by 'Citizens For Truth In Advertising' {tm}
which is solely responsible for its content."
(ru) dolf: "That's qolon spelt without a 'u' and semantical
justification for that is found in the zeitgeist inspired name Qantas as
spirit of a nation!"
Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Ther[e] are many many things you don't
understand. Get over it soon."
(ru) dolf: "Such as e=mc�? How then do you explain the semiotic and
cosmological basis to language and mind? "
Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Do you really want the universe to be only
with things you understand?"
(ru) dolf: "If empty conjecture is all you are capable of conveying then
you do have the alternative where you don't need to speak."
Monkfish (monkfish@nowhere): "Do I have to? How about something much
more complex than us?"
(ru) dolf: "Are you an �bermensch American, what other than Br�no could
be more complex than that? Thirty-four-year-old John Adams agreed to
defend the soldiers who committed the Boston massacre. 5 March 1770 was
a cold, moonlit night. A few men and some boys went to the Old State
House looking for trouble. A lone British sentry became the brunt of
taunts from these angry colonists incensed by the policies of the king.
Shortly after nine o'clock a church bell sounded the fire alarm and
called men to action from all over the city. Some converged on the State
House where the Redcoats were reinforced by eight soldiers with loaded
muskets and fixed bayonets. Snowballs followed by chunks of ice and
stones provoked one of the sentries to open fire. When the smoke
cleared, five Bostonians lay dead on the street. Paul Revere published a
print of the encounter that Sam Adams called a 'bloody butchery.'"
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Seems he just got
your hopes up. How's that manhunt/dating technique been working for you,
Vera? ;-)"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Well, thank God she
hasn't resorted to homosexuality, like you."
(ru) dolf: "I forgot to mention, that I went to the British lollyshoop
and got some Monkey stools, after my bruising in that Box grapple
incident along Bayswater Road, Rushcutters Bay, I had a schnitzel at
Maggies. I think there is a club for gentleman by that name--I ordered a
German beer and gesticulated in appreciation of our common elements op
de tafel with a chap across some tables away.
After showing the waitress the intensity of the wound.
She suggested I go to the police.
No your smile is balm enough to me.
And I said, that as a person who is capable of conveying the primary
elements of cognition as an amalgam of western philosophy, daoist
metaphysics and torah sapiental kabbalah I could readily accommodate
such a 500 year history of brewing tradition."
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "Sure you defend him. You both marry a
woman of the type culture that 'obeys' the man just for the sake of
using the Bible to get your way with her."
Kelly [rosy belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "From what I
remember reading in the past, Randy found his wife through a service and
she came to the US from the Philippines specifically to marry him. I
wasn't speculating about Pastor Dave's wife, just wondering if he
obtained his wife in the same manner as Randy - IOW, I read in your post
that Pastor Dave had."
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "But I read your post to think you
believe Randy's wife is mail order? I have a photo of Dave's that is why
I said could be. I did not say yes so therefore I did not speculate but
you did when you said "So 'Pastor' Dave's wife is a mail-order bride as
well?'"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "I would agree with that."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "How dare you speak of Randy's wife
that way! I may not be a fan of his, but I do know that his wife has
been a lovely woman to him and that he loves her a great deal and that
she is not a 'mail order bride'!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Oh my, what a liar you
are. Show the post where Vera is trying to claim the Bible endorses
adultery. Kelly has repeatedly tried to use the Scripture that plainly
says homosexuality is sin, to justify homosexuality. Further, Vera is
not engaged in an adulterous relationship."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "As well? You haven't proven the
first accusation against Randy, but yet, now you pretend that you have
and move on to accusing me, so that in the next message, you can pretend
that accusing me as well equals proof that we are both guilty of your
false accusation? Huh?!?"
Matt (trdel...@gmail.com sans ';'): Not for lack of trying ask Baba
and TBC. You are the Liar Randy plain and simple you are a pussyman who
thinks rape is OK. You even look like a pussyman. Then Vera should have
made her meaning plain instead of just saying "Troll off".
If anyone raped my daughter in the way you and Dave say is Ok. You would
not like the results. Maybe your just not man enough for any women."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "The interesting part is that you
say here, when you put the word 'obey' in quotes, that it is wrong for a
wife to obey her husband, yet the Bible says to do just that:
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the
head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which
he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives
should submit to their husbands in everything. (Ephesians 5:22-24 NIV)
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any
obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the
conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation
coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of
plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not
corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in
the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time
the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in
subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling
him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not
afraid with any amazement. (1 Peter 3:1-6 KJV)
So what do you do? You then try to claim that we try to make 'obey =
abuse'. And why? Because to your 'Femi-Nazi' (which does not include
feminists in general) way of thinking, if a woman obeys her husband at
all, that is 'abuse'. So basically, to you, the Bible is a load of crap
if it doesn't support women brow-beating and manipulating their husbands
into submission. I'm sure that God is quite happy to hear about that!"
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "I just know for a fact that the two of
them believe that even if a wife says NO to sex that it is still a man's
right to have her. That is all I am sure of."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "You're lying again! A quote from 1
Corithians 7, that says that neither a husband, nor a wife has the right
to say no to the other, is not what you try to manipulate it into being!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Correct."
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "Uh, did you two
just confirm that what Di said about you was correct?
You just argued that a wife does not have the right to say no to her
husband. QED" [Latin phrase: quod erat demonstrandum, which literally
means "which was to be demonstrated"]
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "And to me that made me
believe you were speculating."
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "Your, 'you made me believe that you were
speculating' lie is just that Diana. A LIE! You're trying to escape
being accountable for your words and we both know that to be the case
and we both know that God sees what you're doing and that you're not
fooling anybody!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "I have never understood
the Bible or secular law to teach that whenever we see the word 'have',
it must be understood as 'take by force', nor is that what we ever said,
nor is that the necessary interpretation of our words, and we plainly
stated it was not. I think the degree to which some of them tried to
portray it as the lie they did, is the degree to which they injured
their own credibility."
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "You just argued
that Di was right about you."
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "And so, now you want to pretend that you
seek correction from the woman who has agreed with you in falsely
accusing us?! Please!"
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "And if you have a problem with what
it says, then hey, take it up with the Author! I didn't write it! But
unlike you Diana and Kelly, I bow to God's word as the Ultimate Authority."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "There are a few people
who act like as long as they don't publicly state that they agree with
his heresy, then it's ok to go ahead and receive him in any other way,
even endorsing him as a "brother".
Thus you have some who claim they trust in a triune God for their
salvation, simply ignoring when he says Trinitarians are"Anti-christ"
and that they worship a "Satanic lie" and "false god", but then shooting
the breeze with him, and calling him"brother", thanking and praising
him, in any other discussion where he isn't directly calling them and
their God "anti-christ" and "false god" (in at least one instance, a
person defends him, while he is calling on all trinitarians to reject
their "false god".
Meanwhile, the same people will sit and falsely accuse, blatantly lie
about, and viciously and diligently attack anyone that dares to notice
Glenn is an heretick who should be rejected, as they offer excuse after
excuse for the poor little old heretick, and console each other for
doing so. Or, simply put: You and a few others sure don't seem to have
any problem understanding how to indignantly reject every single word
that comes out of Vera's mouth. Just start treating rank hereticks like
you do Vera, and you've answered your question."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "While you bow to your own desire to
manipulate men to your advantage and actually think that if a man won't
allow that, that he is a "wife beater and a rapist"!
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "It seems to me there is
a spirit of rebellion in this country, and that there are some who try
to use victim status and guilt to manipulate others, and seize authority
and benefits for themselves. I think the pendulum has swung way too far
in that direction for far too long, and that such tactics will
eventually implode and fall back on those who try to use them."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "What you're saying is that if both
of us believe God's word, because the Bible says it, then that makes her
a "mail order bride" and me a "rapist and a wife beater" and that is
simply ridiculous!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "To the degree we are
stating what God has said, it's not us some hate or rebel against, but
God, His word, His authority over their lives, and His consequences for
their actions."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "No? That's not what you're saying?
Then why did you say that? And yes, you are saying that, not just Kelly!
And furthermore, what difference would it make if she had come over here
from another country? Does it make her any less of a Christian?!
No wait, let me guess... It makes her less able to choose her own
destiny, right? So you promote women so much, that you think they're too
stupid to make their own decisions! Now go ahead and say that what I
just said, erases what I already said and that it makes me the husband
of a mail order bride and a rapist and then pretend that that's proof of
your accusation, because that's the type of disgusting person you two are!
Isn't it interesting, that the women who claim brag up women over men,
are the first ones to state how stupid women are, since they must be, if
they're taken advantage of as often as these same bragging women say
they are! Poor little innocent, naive, super smart women, right?!
Bawahahaha!!! If women only knew how demeaning it is to be the pawn of
women like you! :)
Thank God that men don't feel about women the way that you two do,
because if that's how all men felt about women, then there would be a
lot more problems for them and they wouldn't even be able to breathe
without men around, according to your own testimony! <Chuckle!>
If, that is, men felt the way that you do about them!
The fact is, that you have zero proof of anything that you accuse us of
and yet, here you are, making the accusations! You are despicable and
you are no child of God, if you could constantly, over a period of
years, keep doing the same thing that you are doing right now and that
is a fact!
Has it ever occurred to you, that my wife and I got married because we
love each other and that I met her here in the U.S. and that we both
believe the Bible is God's word and is therefore, is the Ultimate
Authority in everything and that 1 Corinthians 7 goes both ways and not
just one?!
I know, that doesn't jive with your "Diana and Kelly are God" scenario,
but it's true anyway! <sarcastic laugh> So why is it that you never
accuse our wives of being rapists, because they have the same rights
that 1 Cor 7 affords them as it does us?! Why is that ladies, huh???
<chuckle!>
Oh, don't worry, we all know why! It's because of your bias! Women could
never be guilty of anything to you two, because women can do no wrong as
far as you're concerned, even when they do, because when they do, it's
somehow the man's fault and he manipulated them and brow-beat them into
doing it, right? But hey, if she does something fantastic, then it's all
her and men should pay attention so that they can be as smart as women,
even at the times it was his idea to do it that way (not that it always
is), right Diana and Kelly?!
Yup! Just like your false accusations that you make against us, because
we won't be brow-beaten by you and your anti-male agenda are right,
right Diana and Kelly?! <chuckle> So while you shout out about men
abusing women, even though your accusations against us are false, the
truth is, that it's you and lots of women like you, who are trying to
brow-beat men into submission just like you're doing right here, right
now, with your lying false accusation, which we both know are made for
that exact purpose!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "There does seem to be a
lot of that going on in this country. And the sad thing is, that it
inures and uses up the credibility of real victims who may actually need
help."
And not only submission, but into a despicable manipulation, in which
you don't even want them to be able to think for themselves, while you
hypocritically accuse men of that very same thing!"
DIANA: Hey pal, just sign over your paycheck and shut up!
I'll let you know when you can talk!"
Frau Himmel (frau_...@hotmail.com): "Yes, BRUCE? You hath commanded
my attention."
Bruce [Duane] Strangler (BR...@notasthome.com): "Hello Frau Himmel. I
hope you are well and fine."
Frau Himmel (frau_...@hotmail.com): "Still trying to outrun the death
grip clutches of The Strangler."
.JackNote: Super: #48 - Forgetting/ Forgetting Knowledge; I-Ching: H35 -
Progress; Tetra: #20 - Advance, Ego: #41 - Playing with Reversal/
Sameness in Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 -
Accumulation, Nuance: #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in
Difference; I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 - Accumulation
.Understanding: Male Idea: #48 has 0 Categories.
Female Idea: #41 has 0 Categories.
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "Go ahead Diana! Try to convince us
that you didn't "bitch" your husband into signing over his paychecks
every week, while he was lucky to get an "allowance" at all!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "I don't know. Don't fall
into the trap of doing what they do."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "And then tell us how evil it is if
men give their wives an allowance! Bawahahaha! <Chuckle!> And then tell
us all about how you got perms for $60 and then "bitched" at your
husband, if he wanted to spend $25 on a haircut for himself!
Or better yet, go ahead and lie about it, like we both know you will!
<chuckle> And tell us how it's really not you, but that I'm projecting
my own life onto this message, even though that's not even close to my
life, but you will pretend that your accusation makes it so, which is
easily proved by what you have already written! Bawahahaha!!! <Chuckle!>
You two are so typical and so predictable! :)
And do you want to tell us now why you make these claims about my wife,
as if you didn't know where she came from (which was the U.S.) and as if
you have never discussed it with me before???
Has it been discussed between us before, Diana???
Of course it has! You and I discussed it before and you falsely claimed
that you believed it also, when you said that you were happy for us!
But here you are, in various messages today, falsely accusing Randy and
I of raping our wives, using the Bible to "beat them into submission"
and of having "mail order brides" and lots more than just that and all
because you were caught out on a Biblical point that had absolutely
nothing to do with that subject, nor even close to the subject of sex,
nor marriage!
But you did it to try to change the subject away from what you could not
deal with, because you were caught in the wrong about something else
entirely and didn't have the integrity to admit that!
And Kelly joins in with you, because she knows very well that I stopped
her claim that God has no problem with "monogamous homosexual
relationships" and she could not deal with that!
And when she claims not to respond to my posts, she is only right when
she says it about posts that show her evil! But she has responded to
posts that did not deal with that, even as recently as within the last
48 hours and so her claim that she has not responded to one of my posts
for over a year is in fact, A LIE!
She simply won't answer to what she knows for a fact, destroys her
anti-Biblical claims!
And as for both you and her, you both hate men! And don't bother telling
me how wonderful you were with your husband, because that is just you
claiming it and it obviously does not speak to the truth and we both
know it, since it is so obvious!
No woman who loves her husband as much as you claimed you do, would
treat him the way that you obviously did, which is evident by the way
you treat men all the time when they don't agree with you on
something... anything!
Do you really think that you'll convince us otherwise, with your
attitude toward any man who won't kiss your ass?!
And no woman who honors Scripture, would be this way toward men and it
is obvious that what you seek to do, is to manipulate men and to try to
force them under your thumb, by trying to make them feel bad as you have
trued to do here with us and trying to inflame others against them, as
you have done here with us, so that you don't have to deal with the facts!
How could you possibly think that anyone could possibly think that what
you display here s the opposite of what you display in real life, when
it comes to this?! Your so called, "Christian altitude (sic) toward men"
is a joke and we both know it! If it weren't, then you could NEVER, EVER
say such things and make such false accusations as you did here,
accusing is of:
1) Rape.
2) Beating our wives.
3) Having mail order brides.
No one who is Christ's, would make such accusations!
No one, who is of Christ, would say such things about people they never met!
And while you seek to demean us, you also demean our wives, by implying
that they have no mind of their own to think with and also by outright
stating that they wouldn't obey Scripture and that they shouldn't,
because rather, they should agree with you in your anti-God campaign
against His Holy Word!
And all of this you start, because you didn't want to just admit that
you were wrong about something else!
And before you say you weren't wrong, that is even worse, since if you
feel that you were right, it shows that you just didn't care about the
subject at hand at all and just went for what you felt would be the
"quick kill" and attempt to inflame others against us, regardless of
whether or not it is true, because that Diana, is the type of person you
are, just as it is the type of person that Kelly is also, since she was
more than happy to join in and make things up of her own, along with you!
Example: You would never have accused me of having a "mail order bride"
if I hadn't sent you a picture of my wife. But yet now, even after I
told you where she's from and that she is A U.S. citizen by birth, you
accuse me of that, after seeing her skin color! I'm sure that people of
color everywhere will appreciate you grouping them all in as dumb
immigrants, incapable of thinking for themselves, as you have stated
about my wife, when you claimed that I took advantage of her and "beat
her down", calling her a "mail order bride", which we both know means
that you are saying that she is a foreigner who is too ignorant to stand
up for herself! Yea, what a great Christian you are! And how dare you
speak of Randy's wife that way! I may not be a fan of his, but I do know
that his wife has been a lovely woman to him and that he loves her a
great deal and that she is not a "mail order bride"!
And even if she was, what does that mean? That she wanted to come here,
but meet a man that she could love? You know, not all women have so many
choices where they are from. But you, while you claim that women should
be empowered and have choices, seem to want to take that choice away
from them! Isn't it up to them? Your answer is obviously a resounding
no! And when you answer that way, then you are saying that not only are
women dumb, but that some women are so dumb, that they need you to look
out for them, because they're incapable of making the right
choices for themselves!
And isn't it interesting that this attitude always comes from women who
claim to be "empowering women"! <chuckle> You have been despicable at
best, both you and Kelly!"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "To tell you the truth,
after the smoke settles, I think it will be found that taking this route
is doing their reputations more harm than ours, as I believe it did last
time."
Diana (shech...@reborn.com): "Do you have posts to back up these
claims? Here is where his stated he is distraught. One where he talks
about his wife's many meds may harm the "fetus" {ie. A repeated media
parallelism of morbidity, sexual diseases, access to enclosed private
space and drug habits as the demonizing of Anna Nicole Smith} but IMO it
is a baby not a fetus..
Randy in the past also has stated his wife can not care for their
children because of her condition and that is why he has to work from
home. I feel sorry for this woman to have him for a husband. No wonder
she has so many psychological problems. Someone who uses the Bible as
intimidation to have sex when they want is no husband at all."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Dave and Randy will be
desperate to get off this topic, just in case someone re-posts some of
the charming comments they've made on it previously. Such as Randy's
assertion that a wife who says 'no' to sex is not only sinning, she is
in fact committing rape herself. Or Dave's contention that even if the
law does forbid spousal rape, *Christian* men don't have to take any
notice of that silly secular stuff. And these . . . gentlemen . . . have
the nerve to call *your* remarks despicable."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Two questions.
1) Have you ever seen Vera using Scripture to claim God endorses
Adultery? Yes or no?
2) Have you ever seen Kelly using Scripture to claim God is ok with
homosexuality, yes or no?
I've seen, and can quote Kelly trying to justify homosexuality from
Scripture. You have not seen, nor can you quote Vera using Scripture to
try and justify adultery.
That doesn't make me the liar, that makes you a liar. If anyone raped my
daughter in the way you and Dave say is Ok. You would not like the results.
You are a liar for saying we endorse rape. You can't quote it, and we
did not. You're just heaping lie upon lie. Maybe your just not man
enough for any women.
More of your idiotic lies that you can't back up."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "Randy, I took you out of my kill
file for today, so that I could catch your response here and to let you
know..."
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "You are a real
piece of work."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "...that I see what they're doing to
you through their posts, which is why they attack me now, for telling
them that what they are doing is wrong and telling Diana, who started it
this time, only brought this garbage up, to avoid the fact that she was
proved wrong about something else in that thread.
It's simply ridiculous and it shows who and what they really are!"
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "Di didn't 'start
it' this time. Between the two of you, you guys posted a couple hundred
lies before she brought up your past. Sensi was sharing some good news
and Randy implied certain people would not act like Christians regarding
their children and/or grandkids."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "Only brought this garbage up, to
avoid the fact that she was proved wrong about something else in that
thread."
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "I seriously doubt
that. What was proved regarding Di? Show me a link and quote. The grand
symphony of crickets starts now."
Pastor Dave (anani...@gmail.com): "It's simply ridiculous and it shows
who and what they really are!"
Dr. House (humble servant of "The One True Roger"): "Clearly Di didn't
like the things Randy said about Sensi's joyous news."
To take the discussion one step deeper (admittedly over my head, but
we'll give it a shot), there are many rabbinic sources which imply the
sexual union is allegorical of and a physical facsimile of the ultimate
union we desire with G-d in the World to Come. In Kabbalistic sources
G-d is the male partner and Israel is the female. The ultimate
connection we will have with G-d is one in which we will receive an
outpouring of heavenly inspiration and enlightenment directly from G-d
in the most pleasurable experience imaginable. During exile Israel is
separated from G-d (Scripture often metaphorically describes Israel as
being "widowed" from G- d); the awaited redemption is the point in
history in which we'll be reunited. See for example Talmud Sanhedrin
(106a): Woe to the nation who attempts to stand in the way at the time
of Israel's redemption, who would presume to place his garment between
the Lion and lioness when they come to mate.
(At the same time as Israel being the female partner of G-d, the Sabbath
is considered the female partner of Israel, and likewise Israel's
relationship with the nations is depicted as a male-female one. A lot of
deep ideas here; we're obviously keeping things fairly basic.)
There are also strong hints to this concept in the Torah's description
of the Temple service performed by High Priest on Yom Kippur. The High
Priest would enter the Holy of Holies (which Kabbalistic sources refer
to as the bedroom) on that single day of the year to offer incense and
perform other services to G-d. No one may be present in the entire
Temple area when so intimate a rendezvous occurs (Leviticus 16:17). Many
High Priests, especially during the Second Temple, died as a result of
so intense an encounter -- though in spite of it Priests, even unworthy
ones, vied for the opportunity for so rapturous an experience.
Finally, the Mishna states that one of the regularly-occurring miracles
of the Temple is that the High Priest never had a seminal emission on
Yom Kippur (invalidating him from the service) [Pirkei Avos 5:7].
Clearly, despite everything else Yom Kippur stands for, this was the
sort of service which may well have elicited so erotic a reaction on the
part of the High Priest. [(c) Copyright 2009 and Courtesy Rabbi Dovid
Rosenfeld, "Private Matters Chapter 5, Laws 4-5", Maimonides on Life,
and Project Genesis]
Alexia [Blanch] Dallas (count...@hotmail.com): "In my studies of
dreams the dream is about the dreamer rather than other people and/or
the actual Lord.
Rarely does the dreamer receive information about someone else unless
you happen to be psychic which would be very rare coming from a
fundamentalist background. Most Christians don't believe dreams have
much to offer them personally so they shuffle them under the rug as
nothing other than garbled images or they tend to make it about everyone
other than themselves.
Dreams do play a large part of our lives but it's about our life and not
someone else's life and is very symbolic in nature.
I'd be interested in hearing it to see if I can help you together but I
don't think you'd want to share it publicly. If you'd like you can email
me at the sensi...@yahoo.com address. Reoccurring dreams often have a
hidden message for you personally but it may not be something you're
consciously ready to accept."
Chuck (shells...@cox.net): "This is the last place on earth you
should ever come for medical advice, and medical advice is what you need
to rule out a physical cause before you start casting around for a
spiritual one. Consult your doctor(s), especially the one who prescribed
your sleeping medication. Make sure you let each of them know any and
all other medications (even over the counter) that you may be taking for
any reason whatsoever."
ru) dolf: "Speaking of the Mother of all monkeys on your back! Have you
noticed that the Reich's Concordat of 20 July 1993 which was signed and
sworn as oath 'before God and on the Gospels' by the Roman Catholic
Church and the Fascist Socialist Party occurred on the festival day of
the Egyptian Mother goddess Opet."
Patsy [Matilda] Pathos (sensi...@home.com): "I could see Vera
preaching the same things for real. ;-)"
Roy Mock (roy...@gmail.com): "Surely, not to the extent that forest
fires or floods or tornadoes or tsunamis or whatever calamity is read as
God's judgment on sinful man, especially homosex[uals].
BTW we have no knowledge that 210-ish souls that perished (and many
injured) in the fires were homosexuals. The country had a day or
mourning on Sunday, and of this morning some communities have been given
notice to evacuate from pending fires."
Bruce [Duane] Strangler (BR...@notasthome.com): "Not really noticed
that. But I am a great fan of British Comedy. Fawlty Towers to me was
funny as.
It still makes me smile ank laugh a lots. :) In a trip to the UK a
couple of years back we actually stayed at that hotel which was run in a
theme along the lines of the program. It was a great weekend stay in
Torquay, [Devon]. So funny."
Dan Listermann (d...@listermann.com): "You are back! Do you think that
the kitchen is cooler now?"
(ru) dolf: "Don't you mean, 'and'? Unless your dyslexic, with a right
hand bias over the left."
Bruce [Duane] Strangler (BR...@notasthome.com): "I just learn English. I
learn it from a book and I love good Television like Monty Python and
Fawlty Towers. It makes me laugh and smile."
(ru) dolf: "The letter 'k' is on the right of most keyboards and not the
left."
Bruce [Duane] Strangler (BR...@notasthome.com): "Basil would be an
excellent fundamentalick if he iz not alreedy I love the episode THE
PSYCHIATREST :) also I wonder if Basil on Fawlty Towerrs allows internet
access in rooms for those who wish. The fawlty towers we stayed at in
Torquay did. So we would tell everyone how authentic and rude the
service was so they might go there too.
And ... guess what? There was not an offensive bible [o]n site like
[the] gideons thing in their bedside tables :) I liked that."
Poodle [I'll Be Back] Perm (IlBe...@gmail.com): "The reason the Bible
is always the number one best seller is because of its life changing
power . It changes the heart and Jesus changes the Soul. No one has ever
been sorry, nor will be, for following the Lord and Creator and his
teachings. The Bible and Jesus, are relevant for today....more than ever."
Fred Thomas (187...@aol.com): "Very interesting observation. Racists
used the bible to defend slavery as a god given right. (With emphasis on
Richard Fuller 1804-1876. Domestic slavery considered as a scriptural
institution)"
Michael Christ (jesus...@father.com): "Think about all the books on
psychology that have ever been written. It is all about Him. What a
waste of books."
Poodle [I'll Be Back] Perm (IlBe...@gmail.com): "I'm afraid the Bible
is also the most misunderstood book of all times as well! Slavery was a
popular thing in biblical times just as sexual hedonism is today; the
Bible demands that Owners treat their Slaves fairly and equitably and
there are rules written down for guidelines. If Racists used the Bible
in an adverse manner, then you can't put that one on The Bible.
The Bible addresses just about every social topic there is, and it does
so in a fair, just, equitable, beneficial way. The main reason critics
of the Bible dont like it, is because it is a fly in their ointment to
their lifestyle choice(s) for which there is ultimate accountability.
This is the same reason why the Creator of the Universe must be shunned
or pretended that he isn't even necessary for a highly tweaked personal
Universe as ours.
It all comes down to human pride . If you can get over that, you can
realize your ultimate reason for being alive at this time in history--to
get to know the creator personally and enjoy him culminating in being
with him for eternity. Its our choice, and he simply grants it...but
forever. Choose wisely. Please."
Fred Thomas (187...@aol.com): "The bible is very clear on slavery in
that one; it does not condone the owning of people, but gives rules and
regulations on whom to own and how to treat your slaves. In other words
the bible very clearly shows that owning people is very acceptable to god."
Bob Young (alasp...@netvigator.com): "If it is necessary to know
someone before they can be pitied then thank goodness such a sickening
concept is not a general one."
Van [Even-Stevens] De Ferent (eva...@gmail.com): "I found the joke
rather funny. And Illbebauck rather ... what's the word? Overly
sensitive. Did you by any chance know any of the unlucky bastards who
died 100 years ago? No? so STFU (Shut the fuck up)!"
Veralein the Truth Checker (carola...@lycos.com): "Actually it does
not say a word about that. God gave rules to *improve* the situations of
the slaves. I do not like long copy and paste lists taken from some
source that aims at destroying Christianity. I would prefer to talk you
about what is on your mind in this discussion group.
OH, AND PLEASE TELL CONVICTED IDIOT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD THAT JESUS
IS LORD, and that I will sing that for him soon!!! Have a great weekend."
Fred Thomas (187...@aol.com): "You['re] asking me to pass a message,
when you are posting on the same NG I am? Think about it, it's comical,
like in a TV show two people mad at each other in the same room not
talking passing little barbs through the third person in the room.
You['re] as a mentally ill as Andy. Time to grow up."
Van [Even-Stevens] De Ferent (eva...@gmail.com): "To me, Its a funny
joke. If you don't get it, well that's life... Some people will be
offended no matter what you say, and for the stupidest of reasons, for
instance, someone made a joke about the Titanic on the internet."
"I often wonder whether real conversation in real time may eventually
give way to these sanitised and easier screen dialogues, in much the
same way as killing, skinning and butchering an animal to eat has been
replaced by the convenience of packages of meat on the supermarket
shelf," Lady Greenfield told the UK Parliament.
The neuroscientist teacher of 30 years had already noticed a sharp
decline in the ability of her pupils to understand others. Facebook,
MySpace and other social networking websites are rewiring children's
brains making them more self-centered and reducing their attention
spans, Lady Greenfield warned the House of Lords.
"It is hard to see how living this way on a daily basis will not result
in brains, or rather minds, different from those of previous
generations," she said." [(c) Copyright 2009 and Courtesy, Staff
writers, The Australian newspaper 2009.2.24]