Turanian Race explained.
Circe
This link seems to have an abundant amount of info as far as the Turanian
race as well as many others. I think some on here may be genuinely
interested. Most are not however, I think that was Tani's initial gripe with
Brenda. Brenda continually wanted to discuss race and Tani knew she was not
genuinly interested in her race. Brenda continually stabbed at Tani and the
SR's egroup about race until they all were sick of it, they did not want to
discuss race issues with her. Brenda was upset that the group rejected her
and went running to a known enemy of Tani's, that being Lisa of course.
That's how it all spilled over into this NG and just for the record, Lisa is
trying to say the SR's and Tani's online friends threatened myself. Nothing
could be further from the truth! Lisa is a liar and Brenda is more or less,
from what I see, running from poster to poster, people she had never even
posted to before, trying to cause conflict for the SR's. If Brenda was
genuinely interested in Tani's race, believe me, Tani of all people, would
have known!
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Jason Yuschenko
This website is interesting.
As far as *explaining* Turanians:
This is written by a follower of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society .... I
seriously doubt the Turanians would consider her as having a good deal of
accuracy regarding their history/culture/customs.
She is known as a synthesizer ..... Most Slavic people would just as soon
you forget that last name as well LOL.
She was a cousin of the midget Czar "Nicky 2"
Also, I doubt most people reading will take seriously a theory that includes
*Atlantis*
Jason Yuschenko
People's Commissar
Atlantis.
TURANIA
PART ONE: TURANIANS AND INTERACTIONS WITH CHINESE DYNASTIES
Compiled By Tani Jantsang: The following shows interrelations of Turanian
Khanates with China, it is an historical pointer. The USSR is RIGHTLY
called the Land of the Turanians! It is where Turanians evolved, at least
for 20,000 or so years! The Turanian lands extend into NW China. [This is
of extreme importance when considering where a group of people evolved and
whether or not calling someone "Chinese" or "Mongoloid" or lumping Asians
into one category is correct when they are quite distinct, especially in
terms of evolution. Another more common word for Turanians is
"Ural-Altaic": Cold adapted people. Editor's Note.]
As the Chinese say it: Going back the furthest, archaeological excavations
show that Homo erectus in the form of Java Man and Peking Man evolved into
Homo sapiens right there where they were found: North and South ASIA.
Sites show the oldest use of fire by human ancestors. There are no
Neandertals there. If one wishes to know how Turanians lived until modern
times who did NOT form Empires (Islamic primarily) or go on conquering
escapades, one can read the data compiled by "Neander-Thin" or read the
books he references (hard-science). He cites the Eskimos because "civilized
white men" got to see them and write it down. Consider that most of the
USSR's people lived that way but were inaccessible to civilized peoples due
to where they lived. These people are hunter-gatherer nomads as are the
Bushmen, but they are not Bushmen and their nomadic culture is different.
Now to the Neolithic Age: All of this very early period is called the
Yang-Shao Culture, 4100 BC, typified by scattered villages, communal
farmers, kin-bonded equalitarian society. No warlike tendencies or weapons
or implements. It is known that the peoples of China had a very Polynesian
look to them and not nearly the "Tungusic" (Turanian) look which more
resembles the cold-adapted "northern barbarians," so say Chinese
archaeologists. (Odd, since the Turanians living near China these days have
a more "Chinese" look and are in fact more Chinese than are their Turanian
cousins in the Soviet lands who are NOT mixed with anyone. So, who looks
like whom?)
First known rulers of China who have a known culture with remarkable
resemblance to not only Turanian cultural things, but also Pelasgian ones
(the people indigenous to GREECE before Achaeans got there). Nu Kwa
2953-2838 BC, Fu Hsi 2852-2738 BC, Shen Nung 2737-2697 BC. Their bodies are
shown as being half-human and half-serpentine. They wrote the I- Ching and
the 8 diagrams codified into 64 binary hexagrams. If this was how they
wrote concepts, since whole concepts are in these hexagrams, they had ALIEN
brains and IQ probably off the measurable scale. It is the ONLY BOOK to
survive multiple historical book-burnings, including the one under Mao's
Cultural Revolution.
The Five Emperors: 2697 BC - Huang Ti, Shao Hao, Chuan Hsu, Ti K'u and Ti
Chih. Huang Ti was called "Yellow Emperor."
The patriarchs: Yao 2356 BC and Shun 2317-2208 BC.
Hsia Dynasty, 2205-1766 BC, founded by Emperor Yu. The first to use
paternal line of descent to put his son in power.
2000 BC marks the time of the Lung-shan culture (note also patriarchal lines
simultaneous to this), typified by inequality, walls of defense, weapons of
war, and classes coming into existence. Writing also started as a standard,
ancient Chinese, not hexagrams.
Shang Dynasty, 1766-1121 BC, similar to the Lung-shan in culture only
bigger, more classist, with royalty, lines of royalty. Crazy religion
(blood sacrifices, human too). First capital city P'o was ruled by T'ang.
5 other capitals existed, the last capital of Shang was Yin, 1400 BC. Epic
Battle of Mu, 1122 BC, is well known Chinese history.
Chao Dynasty, 1121-255 BC, notable, the rulers were Hsiung-nu and Tung-i,
Northern "barbarians" (Turanians) who defeated the Shang. They enforced
their exogamic rules and clan/moiety set ups while the Chinese word for
"bride" became the word for "enemy" and the Chinese began to treat women
very badly. The name for Sky God, "Shang-ti," became "Ti'en" similar to
"Tengri" (Turanian word) and the Chou Emperors spoke the language of the
other Northern Turanians (which is wholly unrelated to Chinese). They also
distinguished themselves from the Chinese in appearance, as did the Chinese.
Pressed by other nomads (their kin) they moved their capital to Lo-yang.
Feudal lords ruled all over: Northern regions were nations of Yen, (new)
Chou, Wei and Han; Middle nations were Ch'i, Lu and Sung; Southern nations
were Ch'u, Wu and Yueh. The nation of Ch'in were the lands of the Old Chao.
The three southern lands had people in them that did not speak Chinese and
had non-Chinese customs. War resulted, walls were built (later combined
into one Great Wall), and iron smelting began. During this Warring States
Period, Lao-tse and his people left in 550 BC to formulate Taoism and
Confucius, who was born in Lu 551 BC, formed his writings based on the Ching
(classics). The rule was typified by assassinations, murders, espionage,
mistrust, bribery, treachery and everything else typical in a strife-ridden
society.
Ch'in Dynasty, 221-206 BC. It was during this time that The Emperor Chin
(or Ch'in) became a tyrant who united all of "CHINA" by force. It is he
that merged the walls into one Great Wall. This is probably the most
important historical event and happening as this set in motion Imperialism,
as it was handed down the line, with one dynasty after the other and with
the treachery and mistrust inherited from the LONG period that preceded it.
Western Han Dynasty: 206 BC - 25 AD; Eastern Han Dynasty: 25-221 AD. The
Chinese main nationality, to this day, call themselves the Han People. It
was around this time that the Juan (Avars) and Hsiung-nu (Huns) started to
move slowly to the West, finally to end up in Europe all the way to Rome and
settling in Austria and E. Europe. Hungary does not get its name from the
Huns; it gets its name from the Onogur Turko-Tatars that came later.
Transition period of Three Kingdoms: 221-265 AD.
The Chin Dynasty (not Ch'in) 265-420 AD; The Sung Dynasty 420-479 AD; The
Six Dynasties 470-581 AD; Chinese National Empire in South. Simultaneous
with this were the Wei Dynasty (Toba in Turanian) who ruled from 386-581 AD
(Toba are also known as Toba Turks) and Empire of the Juan- Juan (later
known as Avars) to the north. Both the Toba and the Avars are Turanians.
The Sui Dynasty 581-618 AD; The T'ang Dynasty 618-906 AD. In NW China,
Khanate of the Uighur, 745-840 AD, almost destroyed the T'ang Dynasty. The
Uighur are Turanians. In 843 AD the Sari-Uighur and the Khirgiz tried to
take over Khanate. Both Turanians. In 880 AD another group, the Sha-t'o
(Toquz Oguz in Turanian) led a Peasant's Revolt against the T'ang. These
are the same Oguz or Guz that lived in what is E. Ukraine along with
Pechenegs.
The Five Dynasties 907-960 AD; The Northern Sung Dynasty 960-1126 AD.
During this period the Liao (Turanian name is Khitai or Khitan wherefrom
comes the Anglo word Cathay) ruled the whole north: 947-1125 AD. They also
conquered the Uighur Khanate and in 926, AD destroyed the Korean kingdom of
Pohai. Khitai are Turanian.
The Southern Sung Dynasty 1127-1279 AD. During this period the Chin or Kin
(Turanian name is Jurchid) ruled the whole north: 1122-1234 AD. Along with
them to the West was the Kingdom of the Hsi-hsia (the Tangut). Northwest of
this was the Kara-Khitai Empire extending outside of China and a smaller
Kingdom of the Uighur closer inland in China. Further west of the
Kara-Khitai was the Khwarizmian Empire, an Islamic Turko-Tatar (Turanian)
people that supplanted the previous Turanian Seljuks (Salji-uks, a tribe
known to be in Mongolia during the early days of Jenghis Khan). This was
more like one broad band of peoples with very different boundaries, and
notions of boundaries, than exist today (and which I'm using to locate them
when I say NW China), all of them Turanians.
The Yuan (Mongol) Dynasty 1260-1368 which united the whole country again.
This was the largest Empire the world has ever seen to-date, larger than USA
and USSR. Chinggis Khan. (Literally Chingga means strong; Khan means
leader).
The Ming Dynasty 1368-1644 AD overthrew the Yuan Mongol (Turanians). Oirat
Empire, 1434 AD, from Lake Baikal to just near the Great Wall, "Mongol
Empire" passed to the Oirat, anti-Islamic hands. The Ming were on the side
of the Oirats against the E. Mongol Empire Kublaids. The Oirats were not
then considered to be of Jenghis Khanate blood (kin) though they were
Turanians; all of the Western Jenghis Khanates turned Islamic except for the
Kublaids (Kublai's people). The Oirats took over the Kublai line in
Mongolia, 1470-1543 AD, but were repulsed by Dayan Khan and later by the
Khalka Khans. Dayan Khan's area was all of Mongolia. The Khanates to
succeed Dayan were the Ordos Khanate, whose members adopted Lamaism in 1566
AD and who had their warlike, conquering nature changed by this religion,
and the Khalka Khanate: the people of Outer Mongolia today are Khalka. The
Khirghiz-Khazak Khanate was smashed by Oirats in 1550's AD. Oirats stayed
put for a long time (Lenin was Oirat). The Kublaids, including the Khalka,
are de facto mostly Chinese people with Turko-Tatar and Tibetan- Buddhist
culture.
The Oirats were considered a Confederacy of four tribes or "people of the
left wing or hand" (Dorbon Oirat) also called Dzungarians (Jungarians): the
Choros, Durbet, Torgut and Khoshot (plus the Khoit, vassals of the Durbet).
The Choros, Durbet and Khoit belonged to the same family, earliest records
of them, also called Durben, show them to be to the West of Lake Baikal's
lower tip. The Torgut were once vassals of the ancient Kerayit kings and
the Khoshot were descended from Qasar, Jenghis Khan's brother. (A portion
of these Kerayit tribes moved into the Volga area very early on and these
are who became the Khazar Empire with Judaism as their national religion.
They are also, during the time of Jenghis Khan, living in Western Mongolia
as Nestorian Christians.) The dominant tribe was the Choros, known in the
Westerly regions as the Olot. (Western scholar's false word for them:
Eleuthes or Eleut). They instituted the Uiguro-Mongol alphabet, actually a
syllabary (I have known people who can read this). The Torguts beat the
Khirghiz-Khazak tribes (nations) again in the 1600's and beat the Nogai
Khanate of Astrakhan; they settled on the Lower Volga. Continued incursions
of Oirats into Islamic Golden Horde lands (all those Khanates, such as
Ubzek, Khirgiz, Khazak are named after one person, in lump sum they were
from the Batu line of Jenghis Khan), and incursions into the Jaghatai
Khanate lands (such as the Bashkir) smashed the power of these Islamic
people which, in turn, allowed the Muscovite Princes to gain a foothold.
The Torguts carved a small Empire out for themselves on the Aralo-Caspian
Steppes. The other Oirats, situated in NW China and continuing onto Tibet,
embraced Lamaism. They also, in the interim and many times, married into
the Jenghis Khan family. All people who ever wrote about these tribes said
they were indistinguishable from each other in appearance.
The Ch'ing (Manchu) Dynasty (Turanian name is Nuchin) 1644-1911 AD. The
Oirat or what was now called Dzungarian Empire ended with Amursana who was
attacked from all sides, with Amursana taking refuge with the Russians in
Siberia in 1757. Dzungaria was annexed to the Chinese Empire (i.e., the
Ch'ing or Manchu), the population was completely exterminated and replaced
with predominantly Islamic settlers. In 1771 some Torguts and few Durbets
that were with them abandoned the Lower Volga Astrakhan area to return to
their native land. Emperor Ch'ien-lung received Ubasha Khan at Peking and
helped his people settle where a gap had been left by the prior
extermination of their Durbet, Choros and Khoit brothers.
In the early 1900's and 1920's, Dambin Jantsang (Dambinjantsang or Dambijant
sang), Red Hat Lama in religion; Black Hat Lama during war, the Hutukhtu Ja
Lama, claiming to be the reincarnation of Amursana, and who was born in
Astrakhan, and who was already notorious from back in Czar days, made for
himself a small army and KICKED THE HOLY CRAP out of the Chinese
"nationalist" forces that had exterminated his ancestors as there are today
very very few Durbets left. He was not against the newly emerging Communists
in the area nor did he ever lift a finger against them. Unsure as to just
what he was, and with supernatural legends abounding about him, Sukhe Batur
had him killed and had his severed head paraded on a sword through the city
streets of the newly named Ulaan Batur (rather strange behavior for a modern
Communist.) He had this done because no one would believe Dambinjantsang
was dead or that someone could kill him, many had tried before and failed.
The head vanished and Sukhe died strangely. Dambin's brother, Choeje, is
neutral on Communism but does not know much about the philosophy save to say
that his people do not live UNDER Soviet Communism's rule but WANTED TO (in
Outer Mongolia) live there and do NOT want to live in China (in Inner
Mongolia). He is also a Lama, Universal Peace and all that. Many who ended
up in China could not get back into the new USSR; many migrated through
Tibet and India and finally came to the USA. Most of the people here are
Torguts, only handfuls of Durbets remain. The Dalai Lama visited their
community in the 1970's.
As for Jenghis Khan (Chingga means strong in Mongol): The name Stalin means
something similar to the name Temujin. Temujin was Jenghis Khan's name.
Chinggis Khan - strong leader, his title. Temujin - man of iron. Stalin -
man of steel. This was known at the time.
The complex web of characters, as detailed as this may be, is impossible to
weave through or really analyze, and the entire colonialist/nationalist/
communist period is about as complex. What is clear is that the Chinese
people and their history are interwoven in a complex web and connected to
the Turanian peoples with whom there was constant strife, where one tried to
colonize the other and got conquered in turn. It has resulted in the
Chinese people and the Eastern Turanians looking much different in terms of
"race." The same can be said about the Islamic world and Turanians as far
as interactions go. Few people in the West even realize how many of those
"Arab civilizations" or "Indian civilizations" such as the Seljuks or
Moghuls, or even the Mamelukes of Egypt who were the best warriors and who
taught the arts of war to Egyptians - were Turanian, many being of the
Jenghis Khanate line directly. Few people even realize that "Black Cathay"
or "Xanadu" are Turanian places: Kara Khitai (Black Cathay) and Shang-tu
the Chinese name of Dolonor (Xanadu). These were not Chinese at all.
Consider, the lands from whence these many tribes came, and went in and out
of China, are now in the USSR! It is also worth mentioning that up until
Peter the Great, the Czars were proud to be directly descended from Batu
Khan (Chinggis Khan's grandson, leader of the Golden Horde). Records in Old
Russian show the name as Chingis Czar.
Each of these periods can be studied as a whole study in itself. It helps
if you can read Chinese because the Chinese have all of it.
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about us is that we are the "fourth root race" here. Older. Well, we are.
Sort of - that is, the way we calculate "loka." Sphere of influence.
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> I'll post this. That's it. Trust me - our people never even HEARD of
> Atlantis.
Tani, I posted a link that looked like it might be an explanation as far as
the Turanians. I questioned the Atlantis connection myself. Anyway, I'm not
interested in Turanians or any race for that matter as it is of no great
concern to myself. I don't care what a Turanian is because I don't think I
will ever meet one in real life so what's the point? Hell, I don't even know
what I am why should I give a hoot about who and what race someone else is?
Esp. those I'll never meet and interact with? Doesn't make sense to me
personally. Some people just want to talk to be talking and to try to prove
something to others,what they fail to understand is some people just don't
care what they know, as it is of no real value to them begin with.
People's Commissar
western European man living in America never heard of us - is NOT
surprising.
Clue: TURKS. TAMERLANE. They are NOT Chinese. Asian is another word. It
would all depend on the "WHITE MALE" that decides to classify these people.
Satan
Hell, I don't even know
> what I am why should I give a hoot about who and what race someone else
is?
Sweetie, where were you born and who are your parents and what color/colors
were they?
:)
What color is your skin?
Racism! whoohoo!
natas
Dr. Edward D. Rockstein
there seems to be first a definitional issue when it comes to terms. Race is
hardly a reasonable term to apply to the groups which have been described as
Ural-Altaic (I taught for three years in the Department of Uralic and Altaic Studies at Indiana
University-Bloomington-'72-75). Race was a term applied to classification of humans into different types on
the theory that they were identifiably different from other human groups based on their genetic heritage. As
a technical term "race" has been found to be non-useful as the theories such as Carleton Coon's have been
demonstrated to not be substantiable based on evidence. "Race" is also used by some to refer to an ethnos or
ethnicity. I think these latter twi terms might be better applied to the peoples who have been pigeon-holed
as Ural-Altaic. This grouping was based, however, in no small measure on a linguistic theory that the
languages spoken by these people had a genetic relationship, that is, that they all developed out of one
proto-language. This is highly debatable and several of my colleagues in the above-mentioned department, who
were venerable historical linguists, did not subscribe to the genetic relationship of all the languages
posited under this theory. While you can find on one side boks such as that by Roy Andrew Miller (Japanese
and the Other Altaic Languages), you can find, as well, articles by scholars such as Sir Gerald Clauson, a
preeminent Turkish linguist ("The Case Against the Altaic Theory").
"Turanian" is a catch-all term for the peoples who had been pigeon-holed as Ural-Altaic. "Turania" is a term
that has been applied to their "collective abodes." These peoples had certain cultural similarities, generally
being pastoral nomads, who rode horses, were ruled by leaders each of whom was a tribal chieftain, usually
with one senior leader, a primus inter pares (first among equals). While the Turkic peoples weren't Chinese
as previously noted, that is a description of their ethnos and not their genetic make up. There has been an
intermixing of these pastoral nomads (sometimes called "peoples of the periphery") with the peoples of the
sedentary societies along their pastoral niches since time immemorial and they are no more pure and not
Chinese (for example) than the Chinese are pure and not Turko-Mongol. While they may have maintained strong
ethnic identities (and ethnic identities are being replaced by "national identies" these days) they were not
spearate "races" in the sense of a people with a totally distinct genetic make up.
The so-called Turanian peoples while not a race and generally not well known (because as pastoral nomads they
did not leave as many monuments or much writtenrecord), nevertheless had a profound impact on the course of
the history of Europe and Asia and on the devlopment and spread of a number of technologies. They are
extremely interesting and important and it is a shame that in the west, especially in America that we know so
little about them.
Read up on the Alans (Alani) in Orleans, France, or the Mongols (Cinggis Xan who found theYuan Dynasty
imperium in China) in China, the Kok Turks who left monuments along the Orkhon and Yenisei Rivers. The Uygurs
who came from the banks of the Selenge River in Mongolia and who were instrumental in the formation of the Yi
Dynasty kingdom in Korea which lasted from 1392 into the early 20th century, the Huns, the Scythians, etc.,
Pastoral nomads are not hunter-gatherers, they ARE pastoral nomads.
Ed Rockstein
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Circe wrote:
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> http://www.blackmask.com/books28c/storyatlantisdex.htm?http://www.blackmask.
> com/books28c/storyatlantiscon.htm
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Great site. Thanks.
D.
Rocío Carrasco
he said that he was from Uzbekistan, and he looked Mexican because he
was brown and had scrubby dark hair and he eye were almond shaped, and
he spoke Russian. Maybe that man was one of the Turanian fellows.
We have this sheet that lists race, and the students have to check off
which race they are, and I always tell them, "I don't know, you mark the
one you want." I think people should call themselves what they want.
Rocio
Circe
Yeah whatever, I was questioning that part of the page as well. Like I told
Tani I really don't care.
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research and the historic and linguistic facts surrounding the issue of
alleged "Turanians" and the Altaic tongues. You're probably some angry ugly
slant-eyed mongol cunt with low self-esteem having to make up grand
revisionist histories for your tribe of wandering nomadic gypsies. Hence
your envy and hatred of the "WHITE MALE". If the white male should be held
in contempt for anything, it's for not having cleaned house with people like
you a long time ago. But there are promising days ahead, you yellow whore.
Jason Yuschenko
Yeah I know the Crimean Tatars settled there after being deported.
Usually, they just call em Uzbeks now ..... It's that *type*
tho.
Jason Y
Doug Weller
>I've not followed all the previous interplay, so just a few quick comments:
>there seems to be first a definitional issue when it comes to terms. Race is
>hardly a reasonable term to apply to the groups which have been described as
>Ural-Altaic (I taught for three years in the Department of Uralic and Altaic Studies at Indiana
>University-Bloomington-'72-75). Race was a term applied to classification of humans into different types on
>the theory that they were identifiably different from other human groups based on their genetic heritage. As
>a technical term "race" has been found to be non-useful as the theories such as Carleton Coon's have been
>demonstrated to not be substantiable based on evidence. "Race" is also used by some to refer to an ethnos or
>ethnicity. I think these latter twi terms might be better applied to the peoples who have been pigeon-holed
>as Ural-Altaic.
Thanks for bringing some sanity into this discussion!
[SNIP other good stuff]
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Rocío Carrasco
blond Russians and jewish Russians and dark haired Russians. Russians
of all kinds--from Belarus,
Uzbekistan, Latvia, Moldova, Ukraine, Estonia...A land mass as huge as
the USSR was has to harbor many races and kinds of people, absolutely no
doubt about it.
Rocio
People's Commissar
Dambijantsang), Red Hat Lama in religion; Black Hat Lama during war, the
Rocío Carrasco
(I taught for three years in the Department of Uralic and Altaic
Studies at Indiana > University-Bloomington-'72-75).
WOOOOHOOOOO!!! HAIL INDIANA UNIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rocio
Jason Yuschenko
Very true.
It's better just to refer to them by country, imo.
The following are just opinions I have, given the longevity of this subject.
1. Does race matter? No, objectively or at an individual leve;
2. Does ethnic/country matter? No, but I believe there is something for each
person to learn in charting their own.
I believe it can make you more and not less open. My message during the cold
war: they're just people
MY message now: they're just people. There are fun anecdotes from every
place on this globe. I put forth the ones I know.
What is the race thing about there? Economics .... one system collapsed
..... was looted ..... now the struggle
as another is born.
My political preference would be for smaller Republics as opposed to large
empires. I don't like empires of any sort, regardless of who is in charge/
what race etc.
Do I have biases and preferences? Absolutely, anyone who can't recognize
that in themselves is more insidious than any *racist*
That about sums it up. LOL.
And no I won't argue them :P just wanted to clarify.
Jason Yuschenko
People's Commissar
concepts that people have of "nation/tribe" modern term "race," that are
vastly different from eg, Nato's concept of nation; lack of a tribal concept
and pseudo-scientific definition of "race" wherein they try to make up
"human races" instead of seeing human race - one race - with many
variations. The Pan Turkic and Pan Turanian movements would be familiar to
you. Pan Turanian liked Lenin. Pan Turkic did not like Lenin. Lenin was
considered Turanian (Kalmuck heritage). And so forth. Pan Turkic was
focused on Turkey and Islam. Pan Turania was focused on shamanism and the
Altai: Borte Chino.
It's a sorry issue that indeed, it was a "WHITE MAN" that made up bullshit
definitions of things - which is why we have "scientific racism" today -
pseudo science. What was his name, Winkelstein or something? He was a gay
male that "loved" the people in the Caucasus - and so he invented a theory
(he was thinking with his lower head....).
Also, my use of the H/G term is fuzzy here and broad - I include pastoral
nomads because they (we) hunted, gathered, (gathered many things in fact),
and roamed.
Linguistic theory of Greenberg and Cavalli-Sforza? Well, I think it holds
true in many cases, but not in all. Bulgars are Turanians, yet they speak a
Slavic language.
TJ
"Dr. Edward D. Rockstein" <ed4l...@home.com> wrote in message
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Brenda Mobley
: This link seems to have an abundant amount of info as far as the Turanian
: race as well as many others. I think some on here may be genuinely
: interested. Most are not however, I think that was Tani's initial gripe with
: Brenda. Brenda continually wanted to discuss race and Tani knew she was not
: genuinly interested in her race.
You know, if you'd go back and read the archive at Google Groups you'd
realize the discussion started out about other things and then Tani
brought up race, after which I made a plain statement, which she disliked.
After that, it just got obnoxious, and I told her to shut the fuck up.
I am indeed not interested in her race. Why would I be? But Tani can't
talk for a day without bringing up the fact she's Turanian. Why should
this be so important to anyone but herself?
Again, if anyone shows you an e-mail and claims it came from me, post it
to alt.satanism, and if it's mine I'll take the credit for it, as I did
last time. Otherwise how would you know where it came from? Even headers
can be faked (badly if what I've seen is any indication).
: Brenda continually stabbed at Tani and the
: SR's egroup about race until they all were sick of it, they did not want to
: discuss race issues with her. Brenda was upset that the group rejected her
: and went running to a known enemy of Tani's, that being Lisa of course.
That's not how it happened, but if you can't stand the fact I tried to be
neutral in the flamage between you and Lisa, fine, whatever. I can even
add you to my killfile if you'd like. I've enjoyed our conversation so
far, but it's up to you.
: That's how it all spilled over into this NG and just for the record, Lisa is
: trying to say the SR's and Tani's online friends threatened myself. Nothing
: could be further from the truth! Lisa is a liar and Brenda is more or less,
: from what I see, running from poster to poster, people she had never even
: posted to before, trying to cause conflict for the SR's.
I don't think you realize how long I've been on alt.satanism, though it's
been on and off for actual posting, which you can also see in the archive.
I'm not "running around" I'm FLAMING SR's ass, plain and simple, because
they're talking out of both sides of their mouth, threatening people,
including me, and trying to claim they work for the police. It's
ridiculous.
There are several obvious contradictions, such as the claim to be atheist
love bugs, followed by death curses; or the vilification of LaVey after
totally relying on him in their recruiting FAQ; or, perhaps most
offensively, the claim to be pro-worker and then elsewhere bragging about
co-operating with Lee Atwater (just by itself enough to put anyone on my
shit list, unless they're honest about being Republicans).
And as far as I'm concerned SR, Tani, Jeff, and the various droids are all
one big amorphous blob, indistinguishable from one another and rather dull
as a whole. I don't want to hear about how great they are. I don't give
a shit. That's why they're upset.
: If Brenda was
: genuinely interested in Tani's race, believe me, Tani of all people, would
: have known!
You don't understand. I'm not interested in her race or anything else
about her, that's why she's so pissed off. She only wants to hang out
with people who will make her the center of attention. It's immature.
I don't think she expected this level of flamage, and I'll do it until I'm
bored, and then I'll go do something else that strikes my fancy.
Me myself and I, that's what it's about with me, pure and simple.
Hail Satan!
-- Brenda Mobley
GUlLLOTlNA
Miss WWCotC << That's how it all spilled over into this NG and just for the
record, Lisa is trying to say the SR's and Tani's online friends threatened
myself. Nothing could be further from the truth! Lisa is a liar and Brenda is
more or less, from what I see, running from poster to poster, people she had
never even posted to before, trying to cause conflict for the SR's.>>
I could find the posts to refute this, but honestly...I don't give a damn.
*********
I like this tactic! Let's use this all the time, shall we? We'll rewrite
history any way we like, and what we don't know, we'll make up. Because as
everyone out here knows, If You Make It Up, It Will Become Fact.
Example:
Once upon a time, the Big Bang happened. The Universe came into being with an
explosion, and that explosion consisted mostly of black flame, not red flame or
orange flame, which is the surest way to tell DaRk FiRe from KLIPPOTH FIRE. It
did, too; I absolutely pegged that one right on the money!
Then for a while after the initial Fire burnt out, it got really dark. I mean
darker than you HoNkeYs will ever know! You cannot comprehend the True
Darkness. I read this on the CoS Files, therefore I know this to be a fact.
Wow, they got it down pat!
Then, the dinosaurs appeared at the same time as humans: we know this because
of the many movies documenting the fact that cavemen and dinos did not get
along - we know they were contemporaries. Some days the dinosaurs ate the
Neanderthals and some days the people ate roast dino - they roasted the reptile
meat using a rotisserie-style spit and Match-Light charcoal, and started the
cooking fire with an Aim-N-Flame. Casey Ley says this is true! Go to the
library & look it up you KLIPPOTH! She hit a bull's-eye that time!
Then, the Middle Ages happened. Someone trying to turn lead into gold got
caught halfway between the Klip world and our world - and it punched their
heart RIGHT OUT. This released Yersinia Pestis upon Mankind, but only
NON-TURANIANS caught it. And so Alchemists and the Tatars have been ENEMIES
ever since; we have a page about this on the CoS Files, and the FBI has secret
files on it that they stole from the Knights Templar too. Only we have a copy
but you can't see it - this is Forbidden Knowledge. Wow, I pegged that one
RIGHT on the money!
Then Eric the Red showed up. His bloodline persists to this day as we know
because that *%$! GuilloTina keeps posting to the group. Every time she falls
asleep she sees visions of Asgaard and her dad waving a sword and urging her on
to greater victory. "Onward, Vikiing Princess!" he shouts. "Soon you will wear
the Crown of Freyja which will match your corset exactly!!" We had a thread
about this at satan...@my-deja.com - archived & everything. This is 100%
TRUE.
Atlantis WAS populated by the Great Old Ones, but then they became filled with
ennui at the antics of troublesome Yuggothians and sank Atlantis on a whim,
taking the Mayan leaser-beam-generating giant crystal lens with them. They used
to beam us messages with it, and so we know everyone on the Asian continent was
favored of the Old Ones. Every now and then the Deep Ones swam over to say hi
to us as we herded our yak on the steppes. They interbred with our people and
this is why our people bear that distinctive flat face and the ocular
epicanthic folds - it is a racial characteristic of the Deep Ones that we are
proud to bear. They also taught us the importance of the Tinfoil Helmet. This
is all documented in the works of H.P. Lovecraft, if you are one of Us with the
ability to SEE it. I thought about this really hard one night, and so I know
its true. Jeffy also told me that he thought it was true too. SLAVA NAM! And it
became Law!
Obed Marsh was actually Jesus Christ. This is a HISTORICAL FACT. Everyone knows
Jesus can be found off of Devil Reef on nights of the full moon. The World Wide
Church of the Creator came along and...etc....
*********
.....I could go on and on, but I think you get my point: proclaiming any given
thing to be true because you think it is is specious at best, and laughable at
worst.
Brenda: <<There are several obvious contradictions, such as the claim to be
atheist love bugs, followed by death curses; or the vilification of LaVey after
totally relying on him in their recruiting FAQ; or, perhaps most offensively,
the claim to be pro-worker and then elsewhere bragging about co-operating with
Lee Atwater (just by itself enough to put anyone on my shit list, unless
they're honest about being Republicans). >>
Well-said indeed.
<< If Brenda was genuinely interested in Tani's race, believe me, Tani of all
people, would have known!>>
<< You don't understand. I'm not interested in her race or anything else about
her, that's why she's so pissed off. She only wants to hang out with people
who will make her the center of attention. It's immature.>>
Exactly. The only reason anyone "cares" about what damn race she is is that
it's such a handy balloon to prick every time it gets too puffed up with hot
air! If she'd STFU about it no one would bring it up.
Aim and flame:
L >:-)
People's Commissar
help them out. He's auxiliary. You have a reading disability.
PERIOD. Saying that "THEY" claim it is a blatant lie. You are a liar.
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Brenda Mobley
: Jeff Gerber, who is not in SR, indeed went to the police and does indeed
: help them out. He's auxiliary. You have a reading disability.
I'll believe it when your police call my police. Until then, you're
lying; if you really were doing this you'd be keeping quiet. Case closed.
-- Brenda Mobley
People's Commissar
our cops call yours? You are not in the Tampa to Naples area where this
shit is happening. Why, you live nowhere.
Now you can shut up.
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Brenda Mobley
: Once upon a time, the Big Bang happened. The Universe came into being with an
: explosion, and that explosion consisted mostly of black flame, not red flame or
: orange flame, which is the surest way to tell DaRk FiRe from KLIPPOTH FIRE. It
: did, too; I absolutely pegged that one right on the money!
rotfl!
: Brenda: <<There are several obvious contradictions, such as the claim to be
: atheist love bugs, followed by death curses; or the vilification of LaVey after
: totally relying on him in their recruiting FAQ; or, perhaps most offensively,
: the claim to be pro-worker and then elsewhere bragging about co-operating with
: Lee Atwater (just by itself enough to put anyone on my shit list, unless
: they're honest about being Republicans). >>
: Well-said indeed.
Thanks.
: << If Brenda was genuinely interested in Tani's race, believe me, Tani of all
: people, would have known!>>
: << You don't understand. I'm not interested in her race or anything else about
: her, that's why she's so pissed off. She only wants to hang out with people
: who will make her the center of attention. It's immature.>>
: Exactly. The only reason anyone "cares" about what damn race she is is that
: it's such a handy balloon to prick every time it gets too puffed up with hot
: air! If she'd STFU about it no one would bring it up.
Yup. I'm so bored. I'm just - so bored with it, you know? I mean, where
does it end? An entire religious politics based on racial purity and
identity. Gee, where have we seen that before? I don't care if
communities coalesce around an ethnic identity - whatever keeps people
productively afloat is OK with me if it doesn't turn into pointless
fighting or death camps - but this N.S. B.S., it's so tedious. It's old.
We KNOW where it leads.
: Aim and flame:
: L >:-)
hahahaha
-- Brenda Mobley
PowerSurge
> I'm so bored. I'm just - so bored with it, you know? I mean, where
I'm bored too. In answer to your question, it ends when you stop posting.
DUH
People's Commissar
wing republicans (conservatives, that's what they were) and black communists
all together - to GET what we wanted. And? Key words: get what we wanted.
We won. They are SO stuck in their own shit, straightjacketed bitches.
We are what? Racial purity - what? LMAO!! What a fucking MORON this bitch
if turning out to be. She's thinking with her cunt, she has to be.
TJ
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People's Commissar
asked me about my ethnic group.
No, wait, both you and the chimp are accusing Martin Edin of asking me about
this in order to suckup.
Martin?
You preached 5 emails worth of your god damned shit. Brendan will post it
all seeming that everyone see you now as a preachy bitch that can't read.
You can't HANDLE disagreement. Circe psyched you out 100% on the money.
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"Brenda Mobley" <bkm...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote in message
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Brenda Mobley
: our cops call yours? You are not in the Tampa to Naples area where this
: shit is happening. Why, you live nowhere.
: Now you can shut up.
Tani dearest, why on earth would an entire newsgroup give a damn about
some yahoos in Florida?
*smooch*
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Brenda Mobley
: "Brenda Mobley" <bkm...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote in message
*I'm* not even on the thread I was referring to. And no, I'm not going to
stop posting. Killfile if you wish.
-- Brenda Mobley
Brenda Mobley
: asked me about my ethnic group.
: No, wait, both you and the chimp are accusing Martin Edin of asking me about
: this in order to suckup.
No, dear, we're talking about you, and not Martin at all. Martin is not
getting flamed here. You are.
: Martin?
: You preached 5 emails worth of your god damned shit. Brendan will post it
: all seeming that everyone see you now as a preachy bitch that can't read.
Like I said, if you post it unaltered, I'll take the credit for it, just
as I did before. I'm not, after all, in the habit of saying one thing in
public and another in private.
: You can't HANDLE disagreement. Circe psyched you out 100% on the money.
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: "Brenda Mobley" <bkm...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote in message
: >
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--
> *smooch*
>
> -- Brenda Mobley
>
Jenn
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> > Satanic Reds http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/
> > Unique - check it out! www.darktradition.com
> > Member of the Satanic Council
> > http://www.geocities.com/sataniccouncil/mainmenu.html
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> >
> >
> Turanian
> > > race as well as many others. I think some on here may be genuinely
> > > interested. Most are not however, I think that was Tani's initial
gripe
> > with
> > > Brenda. Brenda continually wanted to discuss race and Tani knew she
was
> > not
and
> > the
> > > SR's egroup about race until they all were sick of it, they did not
want
> > to
> > > discuss race issues with her. Brenda was upset that the group rejected
> her
> > > and went running to a known enemy of Tani's, that being Lisa of
course.
> Lisa
> > is
> > > trying to say the SR's and Tani's online friends threatened myself.
> > Nothing
> > > could be further from the truth! Lisa is a liar and Brenda is more or
> > less,
> > > from what I see, running from poster to poster, people she had never
> even
> > > genuinely interested in Tani's race, believe me, Tani of all people,
> would
> > > have known!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Jenn
Why?
Could it be that this is a bullshit troll post?
People's Commissar
place to get answers then would BE the other two ng.s
TJ
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<cocks eyebrow> Um....er.... <opens mouth> <thinks> <shuts mouth> Never
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forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams
Proletariat
picture of Atilla the Hun - and it looked like an Italian, with big crooked
nose, receding forehead, protruding lips, etc.Whoever DREW it obviously
never saw the man. However, Roman WRITTEN accounts of the Huns depicted them
like modern Ural-Altaic types: short, squat, small eyes, etc. "Fearsome"
countenances. The kinds of things European travelers said about them when
they ventured East since the dawn of the "Age of Exploration." Consider how
early British colonialists drew Native Americans - they Europeanized the
features because they weren't sure how to draw them! The best portraits were
drawn from life, and ones drawn from hearsay tend to show very European
looking "Natives." Consider Chinese pictures of Siddharta Guatama - they
have sort of caricatures of Indian types to represent him.
Victor mentioned an article about Persians that People's Commissar responded
to. I haven't analyzed it in detail, but I do know a bit about this subject
from studying Islamic history in school. LOTS of racial Turanians
(originally Ural-Altaic speakers, in waves from Central Asia) MOVED INTO
what's now Iran and SPEAK Indo-Iranian languages. E.g. Tajiks, Uzbeks, and
others - who are also now racially mixed with the people who were already
living there. MUCH Persian art from a certain era onwards (I think around
the 1000's CE or so) depicts people who look completely Turanian. Like
Buryats or something - pure look. Rulers, member of religious brotherhoods,
characters in romance stories,etc - you name it - depicted like that.
Turanians depopulated and invaded the area that's now Iran in many waves
during the early middle ages. So that guy Martin/Victor is NOT completely
wrong about that. Some modern Iranians have the broad face, high cheekbones,
etc. I'm not sure what percentage Turanian ancestry modern Iranians have
overall. Cavalli Sforza said that modern Turks in Turkey are about 1/4
Central Asian (according to his criteria - not sure what they are).
(Remember, the invading populations were small compared to the settled
urban/agricultural populations they eventualy fused with - despite the
genocide that often accompanied invasions). The ancient distinction/war
between the "Arya" and "Turya" in Peria is (as far as I know) gone, and the
people have since fused with each other and with other peoples from the
area.
Also remember that populations CHANGE much over years. I think it was Ibn
Battuta who described the inhabitants of Al-Andalus (what's now Spain) as
having light hair, and almond-shaped cat's eyes like Slavs. Things change,
people move and mix!
According to Human Genome Project expert Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Chinese
have an INTERIOR rift between Northern and Southern that reflects a general
rift between Northern and Southern Asians. I don't know of any big rift
between Chinese and Turanian nationals - it's more of a blend, as far as I
know. Cavalli Sforza says genetic data on Central Asia are scarce - so no
real conclusions can be made about their origins.
Modern Turanians definately have physical features (e.g. malar morphology)
that are unique to them, and which neighboring peoples (e.g. Eastern
Europeans and Chinese) have to a lesser degree. But I personally doubt that
modern Turanian populations, except in the furthest outlying regions (like
the Arctic Circle) are unmixed - more likely is that they've absorbed people
from populations they've come in contact with - their morphology supports
this (extreme types in outlying regions, less extreme types closer to other
populations). The territory occupied by Ural-Altaic peoples is simply too
large to maintain genetic homogeneity without STRICT cultural practices
forbidding exogamy (which I don't know of them practicing).
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People's Commissar
Americans. I knew what she meant too and it made me smile.
Heh, they ain't Russians! Russians are kind of a minority. If one wanted
to say "Slavo-Turanians of all kinds" ok. Or get more modern "former
Sovietski citizens of all types."
Odd thing that, if you say "The Soviet Union" the image of a large red
splotch on a plastic globe comes up. If you say "Russia" the same image of
large red splotch on plastic globe comes up. If you say Turania you ain't
speaking English no more. HA! Well, ahem - it's the same place :D.
To complicate matters, the "nations" all these non-Russians live in now were
kind of arbitrarily made into nations by Lenin with borders and all that.
The people inside those nations however, have a WAY different concept of
their own nations. Considering they have nuke weapons - this is very
UNgood.
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Jason?
They're just CUTE people. :D
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People's Commissar
nation, demanded exogamy!
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Kerry Delf
> this is crossposted to alt.satanism,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo
>
> Why?
The discussion started on alt.satanism, and was crossposted to
sci.anthropology and sci.anthropology.paleo to seek out some educated
opinions on the subject. Please feel free to provide yours.
> Could it be that this is a bullshit troll post?
Nope, People's Commissar / Tani Jantsang is for real, though I have to
admit I thought the same thing when I first saw her posts several years
ago.
People's Commissar
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GUlLLOTlNA
Tinfoil-Helmet Lady:<< Are you accusing Victor Martin Edin of doing this, you
dumb f**kwit? He asked me about my ethnic group.
No, wait, both you and the chimp (who? ...your Editor) are accusing Martin Edin
of asking me about this in order to suckup.>>
Brenda: << No, dear, we're talking about you, and not Martin at all. Martin is
not getting flamed here. You are.>>
I have just read another post where Kerry Delf brought up the fact that neither
Brenda nor myself had made any such claim about or to Martin, which is nothing
but the unvarnished truth. Got proof otherwise? Post it.
I have sat back and read Martin's half of these threads where he is being
unrelentingly flamed by the Jersey Durga in response to his reasonable
questions/discussion. I have not interfered for a couple reasons, a few of
which are A. Martin's a big boy, he can handle himself and B. The Jersey Durga
is (with no help from me!) proving the truth of my assertations regarding her
mental stability; an "I-TOLD-you-so!" from me to Martin would be superfluous.
See, people, this is what hanging around with nancy too much'll get you: first
you start asking her to think up stupid insults for you such as "MOO-bley" and
"chimpress" (oh, ouch! - ::derisive snort::) and then you continue on your way
down the spiral, screaming and lashing out even at people like Martin who
really only want to have a friendly conversation, but you can't see
that....because to Disagree With You Is To DIE!!! 1,000 Mongolian Deaths. Egad,
is that s**t catching over there?!
Jersey Durga: << You can't HANDLE disagreement. Circe psyched you out 100% on
the money.>>
::irony-meter registers a powerfully ironic statement::
OUCH! A -stinging- flame!
Wow! nance is a trained psychiatric therapist these days! Reminds me of the old
saw about the lunatics running the asylum. Yeah, we're all taking that one
seriously!
I am SO glad Tinfoil-Helmet Lady and nancy have each other to lean on...that is
so sweet.
Let me reiterate: I have not and am not accusing Martin Eden (note the "E" in
Eden, oh Mongolian One) of doing -anything- re his conversation with T.H. Lady
except possibly exhibiting way too much patience ;-) She is the one who
considers polite questions "sucking up," not me. And not Brenda.
Brenda: << Disagreement is fine - but insanity is annoying. >>
I declare this the ALT.SATANISM QUOTE OF THE WEEK! ::cymbals clash::
Keeping it real:
L
*********
The Jersey Devil and the Jersey Durga: congenital twins separated at birth? You
make the call!
Victor Le Nettoyeur
"GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have not interfered for a couple reasons, a few of
> which are A. Martin's a big boy, he can handle himself
I appreciate that and am very grateful for the restraint everyone has
expressed in the past few weeks. Not only in my threads but throughout the
group things seem to have calmed down to a dull roar. alt.silly is much
more interesting these days.
Tani can flame me if she wants. I like these types of subjects (Geography
and Politics) and I don't really take any of it too seriously.
I actually spent some time a couple of days ago sifting through posts
trying to find the Lisa flames. I hold you to a pretty high standard, and
was expecting something witty and entertaining. If ever I get under your
skin, don't hold back on my account. ;-)
Thanks again.
--
Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of
worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he
emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in
urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.
-Mikhail Bakunin
People's Commissar
The only gripe I actually had was that you posted the questions with no addy
somewhere to send the answers. There is yahoo, anon.to, lots of places for
spare email of that type. The posting of your apparently sincere questions
and my answers resulted in the hens clucking away all over this NG. As
predicted.
The statement that anyone asking me about such things is trying to suck up
was the last straw. Right. Everyone is more interested in the clucking of
two crazed hens that get off on mealy mouthed shit. I mean, LISTEN to it.
It rather pleases me to know they are THAT angry and THAT empty.
TJ
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"Victor Le Nettoyeur" <vtc-n...@cotse.com> wrote in message
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Brenda Mobley
> I have just read another post where Kerry Delf brought up the fact that
> neither
> Brenda nor myself had made any such claim about or to Martin, which is nothing
> but the unvarnished truth. Got proof otherwise? Post it.
Indeed. While I'm at it I should point out that Tani is always
bragging about "get the full headers" on e-mail. Naturally I wonder
if the reason she sometimes asks to "take it to e-mail" is so that she
can collect headers, fake e-mails, and harass ISP sysadmins of posters
who disagree with her with bogus complaints. The bogus complaints
about me came from nak...@juno.com, which suggests a group effort.
And look, I'm still here. hahahahahahaha I've haven't lost a thing.
When the SR blob on this newsgroup has to sink to the level of trying
to shut down the accounts of their opponents for no good reason, I
think this tells us something important about them. They don't
actually post the e-mail here because they know someone will, quite
rightly, point out that all that proves is that at some point they
exchanged e-mail of some kind with this person (if that much).
> I have sat back and read Martin's half of these threads where he is being
> unrelentingly flamed by the Jersey Durga in response to his reasonable
> questions/discussion. I have not interfered for a couple reasons, a few of
> which are A. Martin's a big boy, he can handle himself and B. The Jersey Durga
> is (with no help from me!) proving the truth of my assertations regarding her
> mental stability; an "I-TOLD-you-so!" from me to Martin would be superfluous.
Oh yeah. The reactions from sci.* were interesting in this regard as
well. I don't bother to read her actual stuff about Turanians; it's
just too much. And she's got the temerity to complain that *I* go on
and on about my background? rotflmao
> See, people, this is what hanging around with nancy too much'll get you: first
> you start asking her to think up stupid insults for you such as "MOO-bley" and
> "chimpress" (oh, ouch! - ::derisive snort::) and then you continue on your way
> down the spiral, screaming and lashing out even at people like Martin who
> really only want to have a friendly conversation, but you can't see
> that....because to Disagree With You Is To DIE!!! 1,000 Mongolian Deaths.
> Egad, is that s**t catching over there?!
Could be. The can't handle disagreement part of all this is going to
an absurd extreme. We're dealing with a genuine nutcase here indeed.
Lowlifes.
This is the larger part of why I think Satanism as a subculture is a
wash. It's too bad, it really is; I don't fault the people who try
it, I admire them, but the nutcases never seem to go away. SR's
constant hanging on the coattails of LaVey is pathetic, considering
what they claim to think of him.
But if they don't, they don't have any way to claim they're
"Satanists" that doesn't completely evaporate. They're certainly not
part of either the Western tradition of freethinkers and Romantics
with an attitude that constitutes the base meme for Satanism in
English, or the usual occult traditions, unless bluing on Yuggoth is
supposed to be taken seriously as a part of that. Sounds like a kind
of laundry detergent. Makes your whites brighter. haha
> Jersey Durga: << You can't HANDLE disagreement. Circe psyched you out 100% on
> the money.>>
>
> ::irony-meter registers a powerfully ironic statement::
>
> OUCH! A -stinging- flame!
Was that a mosquito in here? Drat, you slapped it. Now we'll never
know if it was really Tani. 'Course there's some tinfoil on it.
hahaha
> Wow! nance is a trained psychiatric therapist these days! Reminds me of the
> old saw about the lunatics running the asylum. Yeah, we're all taking that one
> seriously!
>
> I am SO glad Tinfoil-Helmet Lady and nancy have each other to lean on...that > is so sweet.
It kind of bothers me, actually. Nancy is very naive, which can make
someone act very obnoxious. Tinfoil is nutso, dangerously so I
suspect.
> Let me reiterate: I have not and am not accusing Martin Eden (note the "E" in
> Eden, oh Mongolian One) of doing -anything- re his conversation with T.H. Lady
> except possibly exhibiting way too much patience ;-) She is the one who
> considers polite questions "sucking up," not me. And not Brenda.
>
> Brenda: << Disagreement is fine - but insanity is annoying. >>
>
> I declare this the ALT.SATANISM QUOTE OF THE WEEK! ::cymbals clash::
Thank you, thank you. *bows*
> Keeping it real:
> L
> *********
> The Jersey Devil and the Jersey Durga: congenital twins separated at birth?
> You make the call!
gif! gif!
-- Brenda Mobley
GUlLLOTlNA
to find the Lisa flames. I hold you to a pretty high standard, and was
expecting something witty and entertaining. If ever I get under your skin,
don't hold back on my account. ;-)>>
Hi Martin:
Actually if I know you at all, it takes a LOT to get me to the point where I
start flaming you in public. I doubt I would ever have a reason to flame you. I
save that for complete and utter lunatics, and for people so devoid of
firepower they feel a need to try to take it offline. And for those I don't
know who attack me out of the blue, rather like this "Orca'sLeap" person, or
"Owen."
Although my falling-out with the person flaming you on this thread may look
sudden, I assure you it was not. This person provoked me via private email for
literally months before I finally decided to take the kid-gloves off.
I should have broken with her months ago: I just (believe it or not) tend to be
a little too nice. I give people chance after chance... By the time I'm angry
enough to make a public break, there is no chance of reconciliation.
So, I doubt I'll ever be flaming you. Speaking in general, if I respect you at
all I usually do not flame. Disagreements happen, they do not automatically
have to turn into weeklong wars.
L.
People's Commissar
bitch.
Filing ISP complaints against people who slander was first taught to us all
by The COS's one and only Andre Schlesinger. He did it, and he shut down
whole websites, for the sole reason that they dared to MENTION the name
LaVey on there.
Slander is a valid reason to file a complaint.
My email is on this message.
Telling Phosphorus to get the full header is a good idea since it is, indeed
like a FINGERPRINT.
It is not easy to FAKE full headers, you non-nerd computer illiterate bozo.
It is very easy to see they are not genuine. You computer illiterate bozo.
Now, resume playing with yourself, twit.
People's Commissar
you don't know how to see your own headers?
Yeah, you wish you were a nerd.
FYI, nerds did not develop the internet. The CIA and KGB did. And they did
it for sinister purposes.
NOW, go back to your regularly resumed masturbation.
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From: bkm...@u.cc.utah.edu (Brenda Mobley)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Turanian Race explained.
Date: 23 Jul 2001 06:54:44 GMT
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"Brenda Mobley" <bkm...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote in message
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Delila
People's Commissar wrote:
>
>
>
> FYI, nerds did not develop the internet. The CIA and KGB did. And they did
> it for sinister purposes.
>
>
Waaah! Conspiracy theory! Conspiracy theory! :)))
D.
People's Commissar
it, not interested really.
I'm sure either Prole or Walter would know it off the top of their heads.
Or Dr. Aquino might.
A person that claims to be computer savvy, the nerd of nerds of usenet, that
thinks that a full header can be forged is an idiot. The headers are RIGHT
HERE. They are NOT easy to forge. They are FINGERPRINTS, the same as
that.
The last person who had that harebrained idea - was LORD EGAN. Fancy that!
Gee, he must be a super savvy computer nerd too.
I find it very amusing that our enemies think I am SO dangerous, yet all
I've done is go to the Hendry cops when THEY advised strangers to file
complaints if ANYONE bothers someone. Like HUH? I went to the cops and
advised them to monitor this newsgroup. When someone threatens me with FBI,
I email my response and complaint to their fearful leader AND to the FBI
(and they answered since the person either has a record of something
equivalent to that). When another person slandered the ADL from his
workplace and tried to mix the ADL with the COS, Jeff sent the information
to the ADL in his country and informed the office that the slanders were
posted from a workplace.
And we are dangerous? These people need to control themselves - or if they
keep up with this stupid this, gov will control them. It's as simple as
that.
Posting Nancy's address on here where CRAZY people into devil worship can
read it is endangering her LIFE. It is endangering her landlord's life to
post that on here too. Of course, the cos's attack mutts never realized
this.
Patience.
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"Delila" <bre...@home.com> wrote in message
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Circe
It would be very hard to estimate the amount of "refrigerator" phone calls I
got shortly after that post.
>
> Patience.
>
>
>
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>
> "Delila" <bre...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3B5EEDC1...@home.com...
> >
> >
> > People's Commissar wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI, nerds did not develop the internet. The CIA and KGB did. And
they
> did
> > > it for sinister purposes.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Waaah! Conspiracy theory! Conspiracy theory! :)))
> >
> >
> > D.
>
>
Kerry Delf
> Telling Phosphorus to get the full header is a good idea since it is,
> indeed like a FINGERPRINT.
No, it's not. A PGP-signed message may be, but text below a header most
certainly is not.
> It is not easy to FAKE full headers, you non-nerd computer illiterate
> bozo. It is very easy to see they are not genuine. You computer
> illiterate bozo.
I think that was Brenda's point, Tani -- that it's not easy to fake them
from scratch, but quite simple to change the text under a legitimate
header. See, like this:
-------BEGIN FORGED POST-------
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From: "People's Commissar" <tanija...@my-deja.com>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Tinfoil Helmet Lady Comes Out!
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:43:02 -0400
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LISA was RIGHT, I wear a TINFOIL HELMET!
-TJ
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-------END FORGED POST-------
This is a Usenet post, so an interested party could go look up the
Message-ID and check the forwarded material against the original...but
that's not the case in email.
Now, while we all know you would never say such a thing, can *you* tell
the difference between a legitimate forwarded post and a forged post under
legitimate headers?
Nope, thought not. :)
In short, Brenda's right -- once headers from a single email message have
been obtained, a sneaky bastard could claim the sender said all sorts of
stuff, "and I have the FULL HEADERS to prove it!" Thus, unless a sysadmin
with access to records is involved, "FULL-HEADER EMAILS!!!" are
essentially useless.
Sorry, folks.
Brenda Mobley
"People's Commissar" <tanija...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:<tlsjmcb...@corp.supernews.com>...
> That's the full header to this post. Are you so computer illiterate that
> you don't know how to see your own headers?
And I think you're missing posts again.
-- Brenda Mobley
Delila
People's Commissar wrote:
>
> Not at all. I once read the legit history of the internet. I didn't save
> it, not interested really.
>
>
Oh, I know you're right when you say the CIA and KGP invented the
internet. I was just joking, hence the smilies.
D.
Brenda Mobley
> I do not post fake headers.
I wasn't talking about posting to Usenet at all. Get a clue. Or
don't.
> Slander is a valid reason to file a complaint.
You know, it's people like you, whining, that's going to lead to the
partial or total shutdown of Usenet. Maybe it's just as well. Not
everyone deserves a soapbox. But people like you, running to whoever
you think is in charge the minute you're the least bit uncomfortable
with what you THINK is insolence, make it harder and harder for
commercial ISPs and others to be able to justify the risk of carrying
Usenet. It worked well enough when most of the people on it
understood that it was almost an anarchy and that only one's words and
reputation carry any real weight there. But the kind of people who
can't take any flamage, are going to get Usenet shut down with their
constant demands that someone has to be in charge and make everything
safe and nice like.
The things that replace Usenet will be gated and stratified; some of
them will be dictatorships for the pleasure of the owner, like a
private e-mail list; some of them will be based on understandings that
will include the principle that doing anything that tends to shut down
the party is anathema. This lesson needs to learned NOW. I think,
though, that civilized anarchy is over your head.
> Telling Phosphorus to get the full header is a good idea since it is, indeed
> like a FINGERPRINT.
You don't get it. Oh well. Probably a good thing. Or you're
feigning ignorance.
> It is not easy to FAKE full headers, you non-nerd computer illiterate bozo.
> It is very easy to see they are not genuine. You computer illiterate bozo.
>
> Now, resume playing with yourself, twit.
Are we projecting a homoerotic fantasy here?
-- Brenda Mobley
Circe
"Brenda Mobley" <brendam...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1699867d.0107...@posting.google.com...
> "People's Commissar" <tanija...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:<tlsjio9...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > I do not post fake headers.
>
> I wasn't talking about posting to Usenet at all. Get a clue. Or
> don't.
>
> > Slander is a valid reason to file a complaint.
>
> You know, it's people like you, whining, that's going to lead to the
> partial or total shutdown of Usenet.
Why don't you just shut-up and quit running your big yap as if it means
something important to others when *you* speak.
Maybe it's just as well. Not
> everyone deserves a soapbox. But people like you, running to whoever
> you think is in charge the minute you're the least bit uncomfortable
> with what you THINK is insolence, make it harder and harder for
> commercial ISPs and others to be able to justify the risk of carrying
> Usenet. It worked well enough when most of the people on it
> understood that it was almost an anarchy and that only one's words and
> reputation carry any real weight there. But the kind of people who
> can't take any flamage, are going to get Usenet shut down with their
> constant demands that someone has to be in charge and make everything
> safe and nice like.
Posting peoples addresses and their neighbors addresses, people who can't
even read they are so old, is not "flame" you embicile. It is real addresses
of real people who live in the real world!
>
> The things that replace Usenet will be gated and stratified; some of
> them will be dictatorships for the pleasure of the owner, like a
> private e-mail list; some of them will be based on understandings that
> will include the principle that doing anything that tends to shut down
> the party is anathema. This lesson needs to learned NOW. I think,
> though, that civilized anarchy is over your head.
You're just pissed because you thought you would be able to do that
yourself, silence others and only have those post that were somehow in
agreement with *you*.
>
> > Telling Phosphorus to get the full header is a good idea since it is,
indeed
> > like a FINGERPRINT.
>
> You don't get it. Oh well. Probably a good thing. Or you're
> feigning ignorance.
Pot/kettle/black
>
> > It is not easy to FAKE full headers, you non-nerd computer illiterate
bozo.
> > It is very easy to see they are not genuine. You computer illiterate
bozo.
> >
> > Now, resume playing with yourself, twit.
>
> Are we projecting a homoerotic fantasy here?
Shut up stupid!
>
> -- Brenda Mobley
People's Commissar
EG, I didn't write that. Law enforcement people, trust me or just ask them
yourself, CHECK and they have way batter ways to check it than we do on
here.
Point is moot anyway, he doesn't deny doing what Phospherous said.
People's Commissar
that)I most certainly do go to the people in charge of such things. Right
now there is a website up with personal death threats being aimed at someone
(not, not us). What, he has a lawyer. DUH. I told him to GO to the damned
cops, SHOW them the damned website and put an END to this garbage. Enough!
Circe should have done the same thing. I find it all quite amazing - you
bastards stir up shit, you don't flame, you SLANDER, and whine when I, for
one, bring in the authorities? Stop stirring up shit. Simple.
People like YOU, the wimpy little vandals of computer world, are no
different from the gangs on the streets doing the same shit with guns. You
are made of the same cloth, you just hide behind a computer.
One person on here, Lisa, ARRIVED with her own personal stalker; threats
galore passed. The guy even said he's watching her every move, for hell's
sakes. He's still on here, I see a recent post. She was, at the time,
trashing the cos. She has enemies alright, who knows how many of them STILL
watch. Mrbaters is one of them from way back then. So a cos mutt tells
everyone on here, that if Lisa gets ANY botherings (phone calls, whatever)
to report to the Hendry police and accuse me? Circe TELLS HER where she
got information. But the crazed nut insists on blaming a woman just out of
the hospital with cancer surgery? And of course, she DRAGS me into it?
SURE I go to the authorities. Who the fuck else should I go to? If
Mrbaters kills the stupid silly bitch, what, someone's going to accuse ME?
Fat chance. Sure I tell the cops. WHY NOT? I don't even know who that man
is.
Let them go and do this, especially since they are now ready for it.
They'll find I did no such thing. So? I called the Hendry police MYSELF
and told them to MONITOR this group and told them exactly who suggested that
a pack of devil worshipers do such a thing. OK?
You don't like it? STUFF IT. And this nice suggestion made by the man who
hacked into Aquino's online bank account? Please. Go away.
I don't give a fuck about your gated blahblah or community blah blah
bullshit. You are BORING. If you behaved in person, one on one, this way,
what the HELL do you think would happen, EH? People get shot for doing
less shit-disturbing than this in real life, even over arguments over
baseball games. You are a DOG and you keep trying to SHIT on my property.
Get the fuck OFF my property.
The world will survive with or without usenet. Flames are fine, name
calling, and yes, they destroy this newsgroup. But you don't seem to know
the difference between a jello fight and outright slander. And you can't
seem to SHIT on your self without spreading it around. I seem to recall
that a COS member got her lawyer involved and that quickly put an end to
this, slanders by Filan, same person, a few years back. Circe SHOULD have
done it, against Filan.
Fuck off. Get back in your own kennel. Stop thinking about me, you nut.
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all. There is NO way to fake that when they can get on here and LOOK at it.
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Public <Anonymous_Account>
>
> It would be very hard to estimate the amount of 'refrigerator' phone calls I
> got shortly after that post.
One ringy-dingy, two ringy-dingy, three-
Nancy: Hello!
Prank caller: This is Medina Gas & Electric, is your refrigerator running?
Nancy: Yes it is! I just put a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon...
Prank caller: Well why don't you get inside it and close the door bitch!
Nancy: Uh, OK!
---
This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
It was posted with the use of anonymizing software at
http://www.xganon.com
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"Public <Anonymous_Account>" <rema...@anon.xg.nu> wrote in message
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> Circe wrote:
> >
> > It would be very hard to estimate the amount of 'refrigerator' phone
calls I
> > got shortly after that post.
>
> One ringy-dingy, two ringy-dingy, three-
>
> Nancy: Hello!
>
> Prank caller: This is Medina Gas & Electric, is your refrigerator running?
>
> Nancy: Yes it is! I just put a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon...
>
> Prank caller: Well why don't you get inside it and close the door bitch!
>
> Nancy: Uh, OK!
LOL! That's PBR to you! Shit Magnet.
>
>
>
> ---
> This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was posted with the use of anonymizing software at
> http://www.xganon.com
> ---
>
>
Kerry Delf
> Anyone can simply come on here and LOOK at what the person wrote.
Uh, yeah...that's why I said, "This is a Usenet post, so an interested
party could go look up the Message-ID and check the forwarded material
against the original...but that's not the case in email." Brenda wasn't
talking about forged Usenet posts; she was talking about forged email.
> EG, I didn't write that. [...]
Mmm-hmmm, which is why I noted the beginning and end of that bit with
"FORGED POST," and added "Now, while we all know you would never say such
a thing, can *you* tell the difference between a legitimate forwarded post
and a forged post under legitimate headers?"
The question still stands -- since you've learned about headers, you've
taken great delight in crowing about having various posts and emails with
"FULL HEADERS," and claimed that "the full header is...like a
FINGERPRINT." So please enlighten us on how *you* can tell the difference
between a legitimate forwarded post or email and a forged post or email
under legitimate headers.
I also suggest that you, of all people, stop running around calling people
"computer illiterate bozo[s]" in the same posts in which you are posting
inaccurate information. :)
> Point is moot anyway, he doesn't deny doing what Phospherous said.
Huh?!? From the references in your headers, it appears that this post is
in response to mine...but I haven't the foggiest what you're talking about
here. (Hint: Try quoting the selected relevant bits of text, as I've done
here.)
> TJ
People's Commissar
When I had a major problem with a person on here, I went to the State
Attorney General's office in the specific state - Computer Crimes Abuse
Unit. The FBI in that state gave me the number to call.
They were INDEED able to get deja.com itself and the person's originating
ISP to GET INTO the email of the owner and see exactly what went into it and
came out of it and exactly went went into MINE. OK? You should have read
the contract I posted on here from my own ISP. They can not only get INTO
my computer, they can USE files in it, TAKE files from it, and PUT files
into it. And this is a tiny isp. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere
(where others do the same things). No firewall stops this. At least my isp
is honest about it.
They were able to do a lot more. 1. tell me that this person did NOT
originate the threats - and 2. tell me exactly who did and exactly WHERE
that person was. Does that terrify you? If so, WHY?
Now, enough of this rubbish. The woman can stop trying relentlessly to shit
in my backyard over what amounts to Total Zero Non-Issue. Unless she's
being put up to it by the same asshole that TRIED and failed to start shit
between the anti-tos group and us. I notice the timing, alright.
Another person on here called the FBI (he is a joint member of COS and SR
and there is NO conflict here with this) due to similar severe shit
disturbing, and the Feds, after getting inside the computer of the person
accused, they went to his home and confiscated his computer and all that was
in it. OK? Don't know if he's in jail. Don't care either.
As for hackers and virus spreaders, they should be SHOT. I don't
particularly care what you think about that opinion because, imHo, you are
not qualified to assess reality (I refer to the TOS and the ANTI-TOS both).
You aren't in the voting booth with me.
I don't give a shit about "freedom of speech" for people who are not even
able to speak from their hearts about anything and who consume themselves
chasing my every word on here; sheesh, you'd think the person had other
things to do. I prefer freedom of choice - and MY choice is to not have
someone else's puppy shit on my property. In case you overlook something,
dear, I called the Feds on ALL of you, including the white devil gang.
Death porno with personal names in it, a bit far, ya think? It was probably
THEY that, in turn, contacted your locals. Whatever, Feds do that - but not
with minors whose parent they contacted directly. You did it of your own
free will. So did the white devils. They learned. You didn't. That is
my H opinion. If I'm wrong, then so what, I'm wrong. I'm human. I err.
What I know absolutely is that you wasted time out of your life having that
kind of "fun." Now (too late!) you realize that. Heh. Imagining you see
TANI BOGEYWOMAN all over the place where I was NOT. Imagining you see me as
a ring leader when Anton himself is narking to the damned CID against your
Esteemed Leader (at the time). Oh, you didn't realize that either. Doc
seemed like SUCH a nice guy, right? Of all the brainwashed idiocy. You
know what? You and the rest of your TOS allies of the time also ensured
that those kids HAD a life and did NOT end up "acting out" in real life and
ending up in jail. They owe you a debt - or they owe the Temple of Set
that. Good came of it. Most of them don't even remember who you are, or
who "Aquino" is. Good. Period. You, on the other hand, are still stuck in
time back there, REacting to me. I find that hilariously funny considering
what I gave one of your anti's (and then retracted the offer) to give you -
something your clique would have paid BIG MONEY for. No more. Fuck it.
TJ
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OK?
I forged NO ONE's email.
Go find Phosphorous post yourself. Or better yet, STOP wasting MORE of your
life.
This conversation, poor girl, is OVER.
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Kerry Delf
> When I get a personal threat mailed to me, or posted, (no, you did not
> do that)I most certainly do go to the people in charge of such things.
Oh, you mean like this one?
-----BEGIN QUOTED POST-----
From: Brendan (whit...@bigdipper.umd.edu)
Subject: To alt.satanism, from Tani (another)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: 1997/01/19
[...huge snip of spewage...]
As for Kerry Delf. HO HO HO. I want to SUCK the nipples off your CUTE
little tweeeeky titties. OK WITH YOU? No? Too bad. Man in Black: BRAND the
fucking cunt with a pentacle after you shave the scaggley hair off her
goily little head. Scott Reap, since you done STOLE the swastikas out from
Wayne's place you can brand the bitch's FACE with them. I'll just use my
hammer to slam down my sickle and use it to eviscerate the bitch. Then we
can leave the mutilated carcass at Craig Hunt's door and let his
goil-friend (the poor little helpless one stalked by her ex-boyfriend who
later on he claims is a dyke into S&M shit) get the blame for it. SOUND
LIKE FUN?
[...huge snip of spewage...]
-----END QUOTED POST-----
Just wondering.
Kerry Delf
> Circe, get that post, get those headers, and GO TO THE COPS once and
> for all. There is NO way to fake that when they can get on here and
> LOOK at it.
For what, posting her address in response to her posting his? I don't
think that's illegal, although it would have been deeply unethical and
rude if it hadn't been direct tit for tat. As, for example, the following
was *not* in any way "tit for tat":
-----BEGIN QUOTED POST-----
From: Brendan (whit...@bigdipper.umd.edu)
Subject: Attention!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african, soc.culture.african.american
Date: 1997/03/16
Attention! Attention! Somebody needs help. These honkies listed below are
messing with a sister big time because the sister said that white men got
pinky dicks and can't fuck, and that's why they do all their shit to other
people, trying to lord it over them. The honkies are:
Scott Locklin, a white boy physicist. His phone number is [snipped, KLD].
His address is [snipped, KLD], Thorndale TX 76577-0216.
Another one is Craig Hunt. Member of the fascist Temple of Set. [snipped,
KLD], Eugene OR 97401-3949, phone number [snipped, KLD].
The last one is Dan Clore. [snipped, KLD], St Helens OR, 97051. Phone
number [snipped, KLD].
The white bitch that gets on their knees and sucks their cocks is Kerry
Delf. She goes to the University of Oregon. The sister has no internet
access, and these honkies do, and they are messing with her, big time.
Signed,
a concerned Brother,
the WHITE MAN'S DEVIL.
------END QUOTED POST------
Just an interesting comparison. :)
Circe
"Kerry Delf" <k...@efn.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, People's Commissar wrote:
>
> > Circe, get that post, get those headers, and GO TO THE COPS once and
> > for all. There is NO way to fake that when they can get on here and
> > LOOK at it.
>
> For what, posting her address in response to her posting his?
FYI Kevin's addy was posted on this board many times before I *reposted*
it.
I don't
> think that's illegal,
My neighbors certainly don't see it that way.
although it would have been deeply unethical and
> rude if it hadn't been direct tit for tat.
As if ethical means anything to you and your ilk! I noticed you seem to be
getting trashier and trashier in your posting the closer you get with these
CoS lackey's.
Public <Anonymous_Account>
Kerry Delf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, People's Commissar wrote:
>
> > Circe, get that post, get those headers, and GO TO THE COPS once and
> > for all. There is NO way to fake that when they can get on here and
> > LOOK at it.
>
> For what, posting her address in response to her posting his? I don't
> think that's illegal, although it would have been deeply unethical and
> rude if it hadn't been direct tit for tat. As, for example, the following
> was *not* in any way 'tit for tat':
>
> -----BEGIN QUOTED POST-----
>
> From: Brendan (whit...@bigdipper.umd.edu)
> Subject: Attention!
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.african, soc.culture.african.american
> Date: 1997/03/16
>
> Attention! Attention! Somebody needs help. These honkies listed below are
> messing with a sister big time because the sister said that white men got
> pinky dicks and can't fuck, and that's why they do all their shit to other
> people, trying to lord it over them. The honkies are:
>
> Scott Locklin, a white boy physicist. His phone number is [snipped, KLD].
> His address is [snipped, KLD], Thorndale TX 76577-0216.
>
> Another one is Craig Hunt. Member of the fascist Temple of Set. [snipped,
> KLD], Eugene OR 97401-3949, phone number [snipped, KLD].
>
> The last one is Dan Clore. [snipped, KLD], St Helens OR, 97051. Phone
> number [snipped, KLD].
>
> The white bitch that gets on their knees and sucks their cocks is Kerry
> Delf. She goes to the University of Oregon. The sister has no internet
> access, and these honkies do, and they are messing with her, big time.
>
> Signed,
> a concerned Brother,
> the WHITE MAN'S DEVIL.
>
> ------END QUOTED POST------
>
> Just an interesting comparison. :)
>
People's Commissar
ya can't have it both ways. Calling them put an END to it.
The "sister" referred to in the post is JAMILLA - a black transsexual.
Believe what you wish.
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STOPPED.
So go to the POLICE. They can tell exactly where things came from.
She's dwelling and stuck in the past, obsessed or whatever else. Unable to
move on with her life - first with the TOS, and now with this old shit that
she IMAGINES I had a "LOT" to do with.
I ACCEPT responsibility for the part I played - putting Bren and the gang he
had i touch with the Gilmores who WANTED A WAR against Aquino. What
happened just happened from there on. All of the Dark Doctrine stuff on
VAD's website (not on SR) is a result of this - and the stuff up there IS
from me, Phil and others whose names show on there.
I told her, the conversation is over. She wants to dwell. That's fine by
me.
GO TO THE COPS - that is what I did. And it STOPPED.
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DAMN, I never saw that or most of the stuff. PHEW!! That's worse than the
WORST ones Circe and other trash-flamers ever made. I see Man In Black is
mentioned. Interesting. I found out who Andre Schlessinger was when I got
online.
Why, that's so bad, it's BAD. How wonderful of you to cherish that so much
that you'd save it :) PHEW..... yeah, I saw some stuff like that - but it
was aimed at ME. And so, the story ended with the Big Authorities ending
it.
Have a nice day.
AH, "FROM TANI" it says? HOLY shit, just noticed that. No matter. I never
even saw that.
Well, whatever! Have a nice day. Qui bono? Not me.
TJ
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Circe
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> And Circe, I called in the FBI when this and a lot worse went on here and
it
> STOPPED.
>
> So go to the POLICE. They can tell exactly where things came from.
I did. They are the ones that told me that Kevin was posting from his job.
He was using their ISP to post that particular info. They asked for that
post and the other ones. When he was asking strangers to call the Medina
police with bogus complaints. They are also scanning any packages and mail
coming into mine and my neighbors homes. They said they tried to find a CoS
based telephone # and found it odd that an org. that was soliciting for and
accepting funds was operating from a P.O. box. Anyway.....
the artist formerly known as IX Corp
People's Commissar <tanija...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Yes like that one. I am the one that went to the Feds. Not you.
>
>DAMN, I never saw that or most of the stuff. PHEW!!
>
>that you'd save it :) PHEW..... yeah, I saw some stuff like that - but it
>was aimed at ME. And so, the story ended with the Big Authorities ending
>it.
>
>Have a nice day.
>
>AH, "FROM TANI" it says? HOLY shit, just noticed that. No matter. I never
>even saw that.
Tell it to the judge, dipshit.
-Lupo
"and then, the madness, the frenzy, the boiling blood and the smoking brow,
with which, for a thousand lowerings old Ahab has furiously,foamingly
chased his prey- more a demon than a man!" <i...@pentagon.io.com>
the artist formerly known as IX Corp
>like a FINGERPRINT.
>
>It is very easy to see they are not genuine. You computer illiterate bozo.
You don't know what you are talking about. But that is nothing new.
If what you said were the case, why does Michael Aquino use PGP hashes
(besides the fact that Brother Lupo told him to a long time ago)?
-Lupo
"The House of the Venerable and Inscrutable Colonel was what they called
it when speaking Chinese."-The Diamond Age <i...@fnord.io.com>
One Darkness
advised Circe to do - go to the cops. I know, you didn't ask because you
don't give a shit.... You should ask her why she didn't do what you
IMMEDIATELY did when you saw some pretty tame versions of the flame war
posts - plus that porno snuff shit.
Now the reason why Ms. Delf did not go to the police, let alone the FBI, is
because she and her little gang were posting things AS BAD as this one. And
yeah, lmao, this is pretty bad.
That is why they, the equally GUILTY, did not put an end to it and go to the
police.
The idea that you would talk about sucking a woman's tits is hilariously
funny. There was a whole gang of those kids using this account. The one I
talked to back then didn't even know that "Tani" was a person. He thought
it was an organization, like TOS.
But the answer is clear enough. You DID go to the cops. I just about DIED
over it since I posted some beauties too.
Now if these idiots that are just falling for yet another con, this time
from Filan, the Cos's latest replacement for Man In Black, think that I'm
going to even click once to look for this shit, heh..... I have a life.
And this shit is the past.
Yeah, I attacked the TOS and their brainwashed drones too. But I also
despised the COS. Let them TRY to tell me that they don't try to "get"
non-members to trash other orgs. Ha ha ha ha ha. Been there, done that.
All it takes is knowing that someone WANTS to trash something - and bingo,
they have willing helpers.
Hey, some folks were born to be duped. Delf's one of them. Yeah, the
conversation SHOULD be over - I think it was over when you fucked us all
with the FBI.
Btw, I'm the one who claimed to BE the Big Mag in the cos on here.
Bwhahaha. Yeah, I should have told you, or maybe asked you first? You got
super pissed at Vad for having the title up there, but it's my fault he even
found out about it.
Still LOL about that. These were the worst flames on the planet. And the
thing is, THEY posted the same kind of shit to us. We at least tried to top
each other with flames. We at least had fun. They wasted their lives,
bwhahaha.
Casey
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>"People's Commissar" <tanija...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> And Circe, I called in the FBI when this and a lot worse went on here and
>it
>> STOPPED.
>>
>> So go to the POLICE. They can tell exactly where things came from.
>
>
>I did. They are the ones that told me that Kevin was posting from his job.
>He was using their ISP to post that particular info. They asked for that
>post and the other ones.
Nancy has told several versions of this story: here is mine.
1) Nancy posted my personal information on several occasions; she also began
making harassing phone calls to me. Her ISP, bright.net, was unresponsive
to
complaints. Thus, I took matters into my own hands and posted Nancy's
personal information, together with the tax records for her rented house and
her landlord's contact information.
2) When the offline harassment continued after this I contacted the Medina
County Sheriff's Department. I was told that Nancy's behavior as I
described
it constituted harassment. I was also told that, if it continued, I should
file a complaint with my local police department, and cc: the Medina County
Sheriff's Department on said complaint. They would then pay Nancy a visit
and
tell her to cease and desist with said misbehavior; should she persist after
that, they would arrest her.
3) At that time Nancy was pulling this garbage on other people. To help
them
out, I posted the contact info for the Medina County Sheriff's Department
here, and recommended that anyone whose employer was harassed, or anyone who
received a death threat, should contact Medina law enforcement.
4) Since that time Nancy's behavior has improved dramatically. She has not
contacted me offline, nor has she behaved toward me in a manner which would
warrant a police complaint.
> When he was asking strangers to call the Medina
>police with bogus complaints.
Again: I *do not* recommend that anyone call the Medina police (or the
Hendry
County police) with bogus complaints. OTOH, if you are really being
harassed
offline, then you have recourse to the law. Rather than taking matters into
your own hands (a tack I've taken in the past), turn the evidence over to
cops
and let them do what they're paid to do.
> They are also scanning any packages and mail
>coming into mine and my neighbors homes.
> They said they tried to find a CoS
>based telephone # and found it odd that an org. that was soliciting for and
>accepting funds was operating from a P.O. box. Anyway.....
IIRC, Peter Gilmore's phone number was posted here on a couple of occasions.
In any event: it would be easy enough for the Medina Police to contact me,
yet
they have never done so.
Once again, I need to point out that Nancy's behavior has dramatically
improved of late, and I've had no reason to contact her police department or
her ISP (currently ab...@home.net).
As a side note: I'm amused to see Tani recommending that Nancy contact the
police. Just a few weeks ago Gerber was telling us that it was PERFECTLY
LEGAL to contact someone's employer and tell them "X is a
Satanist/Muslim/Nazi/etc."
Peace
Kevin Filan
------------------------------------------------------------
It is the beginning of all true criticism of our time to realize
that it has really nothing to say, at the very moment when it has
invented so tremendous a trumpet for saying it.
- G.K. Chesterton
People's Commissar
fact, I'm the only one that did that. And that put a fast end to this - on
BOTH sides.
And yes, he he, does the cos manipulate people, or get people willing to do
it, to TRASH people in other orgs? That's all they ever seem to do.
What's wrong, the cos pissed off that NO BIG ORGS use their Antonian shit
anymore? They have nothing to threaten and harass over anymore? They don't
need Anton's crap anymore? The cos should be HAPPY about that. And they
should stay in their own backyards. Ah, they don't have a backyard?
Yes, indeedy - and this is the PROOF, babe! These wd's were the cos's
"Lisa's" of the time. Digging up old shit that the WD gang posted does
nothing but give a few people a chuckle. It turned out positive in the
extreme for the WD's. What, Delf got so ignored by Aquino and the Tos that
she has to dwell on this tired shit?
I have good news for Delf then: due to HER and her other drones of the TOS,
these kids GOT TO HAVE a life.
And never forget babe, I'm the one who ended it by calling in the Big Bad
FBI.
Have a nice day, Lupo.
TJ
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She of the Clan of the Bathrobe writes:
<<Circe should have done the same thing. I find it all quite amazing - you
bastards stir up sh*t, you don't flame, you SLANDER, and whine when I, for
one, bring in the authorities? >>
Where ARE these "authorities"? I have yet to see a one of 'em, online or off.
<< People like YOU, the wimpy little vandals of computer world, are no
different from the gangs on the streets doing the same shit with guns. You are
made of the same cloth, you just hide behind a computer.>>
I said it before: Come on up, Granny. Bring your own personal army and "kick my
ass" IRL. I wait with the most intense interest. You're always going on about
"Putting (your) god-damned head through a wall!"....we see a bunch of talk from
you, but no action.
What -would- your ancestor Jhenghis say?! Tsk.
<< One person on here, Lisa, ARRIVED with her own personal stalker; threats
galore passed. The guy even said he's watching her every move, for hell's
sakes. >>
::snicker:: Yeah, I took -that- really seriously. You bet.
<< She has enemies alright, who knows how many of them STILL watch. Mrbaters
is one of them from way back then.>>
You seem to know an awful lot about this, Granny. I've been wondering about
this for a while now. It's one reason I never trusted you with anything
important.
Watch -this-: ::flips the Old Broad and all her little minions The Bird::
There, at last you have seen something truly worth "watching."
<< Circe TELLS HER where she
got information. >>
Yeah, SHE'S a reliable source! LMAO! I believe every word out of nance's mouth
- you bet! ::extremely derisive laughter::
<< But the crazed nut insists on blaming a woman just out of the hospital with
cancer surgery? >>
Yes I did, and still do. I know her better than -you- do, you see. I know you
don't want to believe your bosom-buddy "Owen" doesn't know me in real life, but
I suggest you snap back to reality. Because he doesn't.
Nor was the Bonster ever in the hospital for any procedure whatsoever. She's a
good liar; trust me, she lied to me too. And I believed her.
For a while.
I suggest you go and visit the Bonster IRL, Granny. Only then will you know
what you're consorting with.
<< And of course, she DRAGS me into it?
SURE I go to the authorities. Who the fuck else should I go to? >>
And they slapped ME into submission, you know it! (God, is this stupid or
what?!) LMAO!
<< Mrbaters kills the stupid silly bitch, what, someone's going to accuse ME?
Fat chance. Sure I tell the cops. WHY NOT? I don't even know who that man
is.>>
Masturbating Monkey scares me about as much as Mickey Mouse does - possibly
less. He scares me even less (if this is possible) than you & Jeffy do.
And I think you know exactly who he is.
Just like I do.
<< Let them go and do this, especially since they are now ready for it. They'll
find I did no such thing. So? I called the Hendry police MYSELF and told them
to MONITOR this group and told them exactly who suggested that
a pack of devil worshipers do such a thing. OK?>>
::waves to the police:: Isn't she nuts? We think so, too :-)
<< Get the fuck OFF my property.>>
This NG is not your property, old bitch.
<< But you don't seem to know
the difference between a jello fight and outright slander>>
::irony-meter registers a powerfully ironic statement::
<< F**k off. Get back in your own kennel. Stop thinking about me, you nut.>>
No way! I do not live in "a kennel,"btw & I am enjoying dishing out to you what
you have dished out to others so many, many times before. How do you like it?
::smiles:: What's the matter, you love to dish it out but not take it?
I understand. I really do.
If you have had enough, you can leave now. There's the door, don't let it hit
you in the ass on the way out.
I promise to let you leave, and stay gone as long as you like; possibly
forever. Or at least until you can act even remotely like a member of species
Homo Sapiens. Right now you make ol' Jhenghis look like Little Lord Fauntleroy.
What a foul, diseased thing you are. I pity you.
Sincerely:
Lisa
*********
(btw, where are my "100 threatening emails"? Surely the Bonster can climb from
her Bed Of Pain long enough to post them....)
Circe
"Kevin Filan" <Raks...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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> >===== Original Message From "Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> =====
<snip all the lies >
How do you explain getting my *mailing* address?
>
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> It is the beginning of all true criticism of our time to realize
> that it has really nothing to say, at the very moment when it has
> invented so tremendous a trumpet for saying it.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
Kerry Delf
> Now the reason why Ms. Delf did not go to the police, let alone the
> FBI, is because she and her little gang were posting things AS BAD as
> this one. And yeah, lmao, this is pretty bad.
>
> That is why they, the equally GUILTY, did not put an end to it and go
> to the police.
<laughs> Sure. Produce the posts in which I said anything even approaching
this level. Oh, what, you can't? Then shut the fuck up.
Ah, selective memory. Ain't it grand?
> Casey
People's Commissar
christian coalition does this all the time. They did it to a person here.
It IS legal to do that, it is information and if it is factual then it's
factual.
So long as the statement is TRUE, there is no law against it, Kevin. It
happened to a person here. It was up to his employer to accept him anyway,
or fire him. He got fired. Of course, they found "reasons" to fire the guy
that were "unrelated" the personal stuff. He went to a lawyer, blah blah
blah. Heh. They claimed they couldn't do anything for him since the
information provided by the christians was TRUE. So much for that. I
think "discrimination" cases are losing favor, dear.
Freedom of choice, remember? Now, since the cos has been practicing this
little trick forever - I find it odd you should balk about it.
Your information was posted on here by Egan's people who were cooperating
with Red of Tasc on this - details, even the TIMES when Gilmore walked his
dog for hell's sakes. I saw all of this. Along with Andre's info, they
outed it all. I mean, someone knew when Peter walked his dog? Oh boy. I
would have fw it to Peter but - nah. I figured they had a reason to hate
him that much. At the time, I kinda liked Peter.
Now you say all this happened? I called the Medina Police and asked about
this. They didn't know of any such problem with anyone named Nancy Warlick.
Remember, I'm the one who REALLY called the law once before. You think I
have not alerted them again? Sent them steady streams of information they
can see on here? You'd be surprised who's all behind me on this effort,
Kevin. No, no one you know. You belong to a hate cult. Guillotina is the
"White Devil Gang" of today, doing exactly what they did. Same show.
Different actors.
Nice how you and Lupo HERD some of the anti-tos gang around. Interesting to
watch. I don't care about it.
Now, get BACK into your own kennel and stay our of ours.
TJ
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"Kevin Filan" <Raks...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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Kevin Filan
>
>
> "Kevin Filan" <Raks...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
> news:3B61...@MailAndNews.com...
> > >===== Original Message From "Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> =====
> <snip all the lies >
>
>
> How do you explain getting my *mailing* address?
If you drive or vote, your mailing address is publicly available to those
who know where to look.
Peace
Kevin Filan
Circe
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"Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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That certainly wouldn't mean *you* not with your record of harrassments and
false allegations. The only place you could have gotten that info was from
your CoS thug lackey's who work for hell's kitchen productions. The police
would never call the likes of you. They were appalled at your many posts and
what they had uncovered as far as your past criminal activity. Your
credibility has just sunk to an all time low. Thanks for playing!
>
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
People's Commissar
named Warlick listed anywhere in Medina Ohio, either listed as "listed" or
"unlisted." NONE. That name is not in Medina.
He got it from Gilmore - where the rest of these dolts are getting "wild
tales" I told about my own self. Why would I do that? To see where they
might end up - and then I know where it originated.
Watch their resident equivalent to the old white devils now claim that one
of us is Mrbaters.
LMAO. What a FUCKING dumbass.
:)
They just can't keep in their own kennels.
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"Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> wrote in message
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>
>
Public <Anonymous_Account>
>
> They just can't keep in their own kennels.
So maybe you should just do something about it then, no?
Kerry Delf
> As if ethical means anything to you and your ilk! I noticed you seem
> to be getting trashier and trashier in your posting the closer you get
> with these CoS lackey's.
Tee-hee! *I'm* being called "trashy" by the person who thinks a lot of
trailers are really nice homes, and posts fun stuff like the following in
retaliation for mild disagreement: "If Mr. Scratch were any kind of a real
man he would punch you out and put you in your rightful place. Hopefully
that will be left to a bunch of grubby old deer hunters! Perhaps you will
be mistaken for a doe and raped by the herd during mating season!
hehehhe!"
How cute. :)
As for "CoS lackey's[sic]," I've been on friendly terms with a number of
CoSsers for years, and none of those relationships have changed any time
recently. I frankly don't see any connection, and find it amusing that
you blame my waxing and waning patience with stupidity on, of all people,
the CoS membership. Again: Tee-hee!
Kerry Delf
> Why, that's so bad, it's BAD. How wonderful of you to cherish that so much
> that you'd save it :)
What, this? Haven't you ever heard of a Usenet archive? I haven't got
room in my account to keep all the Tanirants (or, as I'm sure you'll point
out, the stuff that was posted in your name with your permission and
approval but which you perhaps didn't actually write), so I just have to
hope that all that lovely material won't be lost in some archive shutdown.
> > From: Brendan (whit...@bigdipper.umd.edu)
> > Subject: To alt.satanism, from Tani (another)
> >
> > As for Kerry Delf. HO HO HO. I want to SUCK the nipples off your CUTE
> > little tweeeeky titties. OK WITH YOU? No? Too bad. Man in Black: BRAND the
> > fucking cunt with a pentacle after you shave the scaggley hair off her
> > goily little head. Scott Reap, since you done STOLE the swastikas out from
> > Wayne's place you can brand the bitch's FACE with them. I'll just use my
> > hammer to slam down my sickle and use it to eviscerate the bitch. Then we
> > can leave the mutilated carcass at Craig Hunt's door and let his
> > goil-friend (the poor little helpless one stalked by her ex-boyfriend who
> > later on he claims is a dyke into S&M shit) get the blame for it. SOUND
> > LIKE FUN?
You wanna dredge through ancient history, I'll dredge through ancient
history. And there's just SO MUCH good stuff in there... ;)
Toodles!
Circe
"GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Masturbating Monkey scares me about as much as Mickey Mouse does -
possibly
> less. He scares me even less (if this is possible) than you & Jeffy do.
You fear any type of truth/insult concerning yourself. Even to the point of
pretending you somehow have your many detractors *royally killfiled*, keep
telling us that sugar, we believe ya! :::chuckles::: I'll be sure and let
mrbators know just what a tough *lil' viking queen* you turned out to be. ;)
> Or at least until you can act even remotely like a member of species
> Homo Sapiens.
:::snicker:: This coming from a woman who *swings* LOL! And not just from
thread to thread in here folks!
>
> What a foul, diseased thing you are. I pity you.
Then I would imagine you really do hate *yourself* then.
>
> Sincerely:
Me too!
> Lisa
Circe
ones?? You should have stuck with the ToS. At least they have class. tee
hee???
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"Kerry Delf" <k...@efn.org> wrote in message
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GUlLLOTlNA
Same show.
Different actors.>>
....With a few differences, namely that I am not on your side, and I do not
take orders from you.
Which, I know, is really inconvenient for you. Keep in mind that I'm still
being fairly -nice. - I have not yet begun to truly rip you up one side & down
the other, Granny.
Metaphorically speaking, of course.
>Remember, I'm the one who REALLY called the law once before. You think I have
not alerted them again? >>
Oh, please take these incessant threats and blow them out your ass!
>Now, get BACK into your own kennel and stay our of ours.>>
As long as you haunt this NG, be prepared to receive as you love to give. In
spades (if you'll pardon a wee pun).
GUlLLOTlNA
tales" I told about my own self. >>
No no no, Grandma: the tale of how you murdered a playmate at the tender age of
nine came straight from the horses' mouth - I have never corresponded with
Gilmore. Frankly I've never needed to, to get the straight dope on you - all I
ever needed to know about you I got straight from the source. You -are- kind of
chatty, you know. ::laughs::
And when I find the document where it is, (and I'll find it, don't worry your
little red head about that one) I'll post a large enough quote from said
document to lay blame -exactly- where it belongs.
Do not blame CoS for that one: it's all your own fault, Toots.
>Watch their resident equivalent to the old white devils now claim that one of
us is Mrbaters.>>
Ah, here we see another attempt at the old "If You Proclaim It, It Becomes
Truth!" gambit. Nice try, Granny. I never said this.
"White Devil"? ::smiles:: Appropriate. I like "CAVE-DEVIL SNOW GOOK" too, do
not forget that one.
Angel to some, Demon to Idiots:
Lisa,
in the interests of Justice.
PowerSurge
You know, Guillotina, I used to have a bit of respect for you, because you
had the 'balls' to put up that picture in the corset with the sword. I
figured that took quite a bit of confidence in who you are.
Now, I realize it was just plain stupidity.
If you have any sense at all, you will realize that you are f*cking with the
WRONG person - one called 'Tani'.
A note of caution - back off dearie. You're messing with something much
bigger than you are capable of handling.
Best of luck to you. You'll need it.
Kevin Filan
=====
>A note of caution - back off dearie. You're messing with something much
>bigger than you are capable of handling.
>
>Best of luck to you. You'll need it.
Hi, Audy. I see they're still patrolling Hanford's parks and public
toilets:
you've had lots of time to post recently.
Guillotina: http://www.beproud.com/gay-pride/aboutus.htm has a picture of
Audy
Morgan (aka PowerSurge) for your edification. Audy may be many things...
but
at least he doesn't post from a WebTV account.
PowerSurge
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Kevin Filan
If you're not Audy, you're Morena. You two are the only regulars on here
who
post from lightspeed.net.
It's no biggie in any event: I just thought that I would defend you against
that most terrible of all Usenet slurs -- "You post from a WebTV account!"
People's Commissar
HERE, have some puppy chow.
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