Skiing with Sailing gear?
James P
of Musto Gore-tex sailing jacket and trousers that I think should be
great for skiing.
* Will the sailing gear hold up to the abuse of skiing?
* Will the cut of the sailing make it uncomfortable while in a skiing
position?
James!
B a n n i s t e r
ski-glasses, ski-underwear, ski-socks and a ski-watch.
Kiddin', that gore-tex sailor outfit is ok.
Horvath
crap:
I hope you use real skiing boots.
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It will be fine, except that everyone will know that you don't waste
hundreds of bucks on skiwear jst to have the right image. Just ensure
that you have suitable clothes underneath. That will wick moisture
away from your skin and keep you warm. Thermal underwear and fleece
are good, cotton is not.
Carl
Frank and Ronnie Maier
Here in the Seattle area it's often more appropriate than "real" ski
clothing. "Cascade Crud" rules!
John R Weiss
sailing and kayaking all the time!
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bdubya
It ought to work just fine. Only concern might be adequate
ventilation if you're in warmer weather, but I'd be surprised if
that's a problem. I use my skiing outer layer for foul weather
sailing, foul-weather hiking, foul-weather disc golf, etc.
bw
Garry Beattie
problems whatsoever.
AND because I picked bright colours for my sailing gear, heck I even looked
as though I fitted in with the skiing trend setters!!
Garry
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: I have used my sailing gear for skiing on the Australian alps and had no
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We are talking about the shiny yellow slicker and pants and hat that looks
sort of like a soft fireman's hat, right?
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Graham
I've skied and sailed in motorcycling wet weather gear.
My heavy waterproof motorcycling jacket is fine for sailing, though a
bit short, but I found for skiing it was too heavy. Combined with a bit
of physical exertion and I was in a bath of sweat.
Rich Hampel
The sailor pants will probably split apart at the crotch unless you wear
them with a continual *wedgie* and you will probably cut the ankles by
slashing them with a sharp ski edge. Sailor pants are not made to flex
at the knees as well as skiers pants; the crotch and butt are not
reinforced (I've split MANY sailor foulies on the slopes). Sailors pants
and have no ankle protection (vs. slashing). You probably wont be able
to fit the bottom of the pants over the large cuff of your ski boots.
Sailors pants are not usually made strong enough to survive a hard
fall/slide.
The sailors jacket will scoop snow up your back if you fall foot first
unless there is a waist drawstring.
Consider the design of gore-tex skiers pants: accordion pleat at the
knees so you wont bind, protective thick cordura nylon taffeta
reinforcement protection at the ankles, made to fit over the large cuff
of ski boots. I personally consider sailors cut pants to be tooo
restrictive in comparison; I buy skiers pants to wear on board.
Make sure that the sailor's gear is not slippery on snow; or, you risk
becoming a human toboggan ... have hauled many severely injured and dead
skiers who could not stop sliding in slippery clothing.
On the slopes, loud colors disappeared in the early 90s, grunge and sad
colors are "IN". You will look like a 500 pound canary (or amazonian
parrot) on skis, ... expect strange stares and guffaws. If you ski with
someone wearing a one piece iridescent blaze-orange hunting suit it
probably wont matter. <g>
PS - get a helmet.
;-)
lal_truckee
All good comments, BUT:
I'm fear we're due for a comeback of florescent pink ski gear; the signs
are out there (gag, choke). So he may find your self fashionable by
accident, except for his fashionably ripped crouch, parka snow load, and
cut up ankles.
Horvath
this crap:
>I'm a ski patroller and a sailor
It figgers. Only a patrollie would post something this dumb.
>The sailor pants will probably split apart at the crotch unless you wear
>them with a continual *wedgie* and you will probably cut the ankles by
>slashing them with a sharp ski edge. Sailor pants are not made to flex
>at the knees as well as skiers pants; the crotch and butt are not
>reinforced (I've split MANY sailor foulies on the slopes). Sailors pants
>and have no ankle protection (vs. slashing). You probably wont be able
>to fit the bottom of the pants over the large cuff of your ski boots.
Mine are made to fit over my foul weather boots. And have velcro
straps.
>Sailors pants are not usually made strong enough to survive a hard
>fall/slide.
They seem to work good during a storm. Even while changing sails in
12 foot waves.
>The sailors jacket will scoop snow up your back if you fall foot first
>unless there is a waist drawstring.
>
> I buy skiers pants to wear on board.
Aren't they kinda hot?
[other crap deleted]
Rich Hampel
'fashion' of the snowsports industry. I dont think that a snowboarder
would ever wear flashy stuff - as grunge and comfort are the norm and
choice.
Interestingly, that snowboarders (now comprising 35%+ of all those on
the slopes) are the fastest growing segment of the sport. Without
snowboarders, the skiing industry would have shriveled to nothing or the
ski areas would have had to satisfy themselves with stagnant ski ticket
prices. Marketing in the snowsports industry has got a death grip on the
whims and needs of snowboarders.
How do you tell the difference between a snowboard and a vacuum cleaner:
You cant, they both come with dirt bags attached. <g>
Rich Hampel
> It figgers. Only a patrollie would post something this dumb.
but a slur.
>
> Mine are made to fit over my foul weather boots.
How about that! foulies usually do.
> And have velcro straps. Thats great that you have normal foulies.
Be my guest.... put your foulies over your ski boots ... with the
ensemble looking like a parrots pantaloons - flapping in the breeze,
getting caught on a ski edge and slicing through many layers of rolled
gore-tex .... because you had to roll up the foulies into a cuff because
sailors pants are LONGER than skiers pants. Have a ball. Arschlecht!
> They seem to work good during a storm. Even while changing sails in
> 12 foot waves.
****** You OBVIOUSLY dont sail much. Someone else do your deck work for you?
>>
>>I buy skiers pants to wear on board.
> Aren't they kinda hot?
***If you WERE a skier, you'd already know that a gore-tex shell is not
hot. I'll bet you're one the idiots who show up wearing a blaze orange
one piece hunters suit. Sail a Mac26??
>
>
> He...@Horvath.net
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When the squall hits and you lose two crewmen overboard, do you want
to be the one in gray or the one in pink? I always liked to talk
trash about the flashy flourescent colors, until we found our little
group of vacationers (including a couple of rather frightened newbies)
high on the mountain in a whiteout, and needed to keep them together.
We had one person in flourescent yellow and pink, and everybody else
(including me) was in earth-tones. Guess who we all keyed on to stay
together?
bw
Graham
themselves how much weight to give to each poster's opinions.
Some posters give you clues:
Horvath wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:50:06 GMT, Rich Hampel <Rhm...@att.net> wrote
> this crap:
Horvath has given us an important clue here by telling us that someone
else is posting "crap".
I'll leave it to the reader to keep the credibility scores.
> >I'm a ski patroller and a sailor
Rich Hampel claims past experience on the subject. On it's own this
means little, but it gives context for what he says next.
> It figgers. Only a patrollie would post something this dumb.
Horvath's credibility score is showing a trend.
> >The sailor pants will probably split apart at the crotch unless you
> >wear them with a continual *wedgie* and you will probably cut the
> >ankles by slashing them with a sharp ski edge. Sailor pants are not
> >made to flex at the knees as well as skiers pants; the crotch and butt
> >are not reinforced (I've split MANY sailor foulies on the slopes).
> >Sailors pants and have no ankle protection (vs. slashing). You
> >probably wont be able to fit the bottom of the pants over the large
> >cuff of your ski boots.
Rich describes his own experiences. Since "YMMV", he uses words like
"probably", which is often a good sign.
> Mine are made to fit over my foul weather boots. And have velcro
> straps.
Horvath turns the corner. Horvath's sailing pants apparently fit over
his sailing boots and may also fit over ski boots.
> >Sailors pants are not usually made strong enough to survive a hard
> >fall/slide.
Sounds plausible. Once again, Rich is saying things like "usually",
typically a good sign.
> They seem to work good during a storm. Even while changing sails in
> 12 foot waves.
The waves aren't quite the same as snow and ice, but the deck harware
you get washed over by them is probably comparable in it's damaging
effects.
> >The sailors jacket will scoop snow up your back if you fall foot first
> >unless there is a waist drawstring.
> > I buy skiers pants to wear on board.
I used to wear skiers pants on my motorcycle in cold dry weather.
> Aren't they kinda hot?
And they're not waterproof. At least they weren't back when I used them.
> [other crap deleted]
Oh Horvath, you were doing so well there for a moment.
But I'm sorry, if you want me to choose between believing you or
believing Rich's crap, well reasoned crap beats blunt insult every time.
Timo Kiravuo
occasional skiing the sailing gear is likely to work fine. Myself, I pack
pretty much the same gear for summertime sailing in Finland as for midwinter
skiing. Moisture transferring underwear, insulating fleece and
wind/waterrepellent shell.
Besides the issues of fit and durability, skiing is an active sport and you
are likely to sweat. I have found out that around -20C (below 0F or
whatever) sweat tends to freeze on the lining of the waterproof shell. This
depends on various issues, but generally Gore-Tex and materials like it are
not optimal for conditions below freezing.
As to the fashionability, I know people who are fashionable and I know
people who ski. The union of these sets is rather small. Those people who
ski for real prefer practical, not fashionable.
Like some posters, I also feel that the time is ripe for a backlash on the
snowboarding movement. The cutting edge of skiing has moved form snowboards
to trick skis and snowblades. The grunge look of snowboarders is now
available from any shop and the next trend might be very well the return of
bright colours.
Bright colours also make sense safetywise, especially with the new carving
skis that encourage wider turns. Remember to look uphill when turning, the
old advice of always looking down is no loger true, you should instead look
at where you are going. I almost collided with my spouse yesterday.
Rich Hampel wrote:
> Make sure that the sailor's gear is not slippery on snow; or, you risk
...
> PS - get a helmet.
These safety warnings should be listened to. Instead of buying ski clothes,
buy a helmet. Maybe you need it only once, but that is enough. And they are
fashionable now. All the serious skiiers I know are wearing them. :-)
kiravuo
Victor Groszko
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> All good comments, BUT:
>
> I'm fear we're due for a comeback of florescent pink ski gear; the signs
> are out there (gag, choke).
That's why I date a snowboarder.
-Victor
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Walt
>
> Anyone ever skiied with their sailing foul weather wear? I have a set
> of Musto Gore-tex sailing jacket and trousers that I think should be
> great for skiing.
It all depends on what your foulies are like. There's a wide variety of
foul weather gear, and some works quite well for skiing, and some would
be quite hideous. You would never want to ski in a wetsuit, or (even
worse) a dry suit. The el-cheapo rain slicker foulies that you get for
$29 at West Marine would be pretty awful too.
But your Gore-Tex shell jacket would probably work pretty well. You'll
probably want to get a real pair of ski pants because of the geometry of
how they fit around the boot - most non-ski-specific pants don't work
all that well, and the sharp edges of the skis tend to cut the cuffs of
anything that's not built to take it.
Aside from fashion considerations, the jacket doesn't make that much
difference for the average recreational skier - as long as its
moderately water resistant, breathes, isn't overly warm, and allows a
reasonable range of motion, you'll be ok. Now, if you're going off into
the back country, that's another story....
> * Will the sailing gear hold up to the abuse of skiing?
Sailing (at least dinghy sailing) is *much* more abusive of your
clothing than skiing. If it's decent gear it should hold up
> * Will the cut of the sailing make it uncomfortable while in a skiing
> position?
Depends on the garment.
FWIW, I use my ski parka as a dinghy smock. Since it's more of a shell
than a parka, it works great over a wetsuit.
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The Real Bev
> When the squall hits and you lose two crewmen overboard, do you want
> to be the one in gray or the one in pink? I always liked to talk
> trash about the flashy flourescent colors, until we found our little
> group of vacationers (including a couple of rather frightened newbies)
> high on the mountain in a whiteout, and needed to keep them together.
> We had one person in flourescent yellow and pink, and everybody else
> (including me) was in earth-tones. Guess who we all keyed on to stay
> together?
Likewise. I favor as much day-glo as possible when skiing or biking --
anybody who hits me is going to have to really work hard to explain to the
judge how he didn't see me.
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Mary Malmros
> bdubya wrote:
>
> > When the squall hits and you lose two crewmen overboard, do you want
> > to be the one in gray or the one in pink? I always liked to talk
> > trash about the flashy flourescent colors, until we found our little
> > group of vacationers (including a couple of rather frightened newbies)
> > high on the mountain in a whiteout, and needed to keep them together.
> > We had one person in flourescent yellow and pink, and everybody else
> > (including me) was in earth-tones. Guess who we all keyed on to stay
> > together?
>
> Likewise. I favor as much day-glo as possible when skiing or biking --
> anybody who hits me is going to have to really work hard to explain to the
> judge how he didn't see me.
Sometimes people ask me why I always choose bright yellow, orange,
or red for my kayaks and paddling gear. "So they can find the
body," I tell 'em. Some people laugh, and then realize I'm not
joking. Unconscious people can't call attention to themselves, and
in most situations, visual is the fastest way to locate them. When
time is of the essence, bright gear can be the diff between life and
death.
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Other days you're the bug.
Rich Hampel
enter into a completely isolated, remote, and non-dependent sojourn. In
doing so I would be damn sure that all precautions and such
responsibility was mine alone and in so doing would prepare for any
eventuality.
Why I gave up being in the rescue service was that I was tired of
putting myself and others of my crew into constant danger by those who
substituted the wearing of dayglo, the use of cell phones, and who
ignored common sense and good reason by reading a paperback of "how to
do it", etc. for common sense ... instead of the those who try becoming
*transparent* and learned within nature, etc.
Keep this up and everyone will be required to check-in for a safety
inspection before entering the national forests, etc. ... oooops too
late, they already do in some places. Keep this up and we'll all be in
doppleganger fashion following approved (franchised) govt. inspected,
OSHA approved excursion leaders who carry day-glo flags, solely on
boardwalked, safety netted, rubber padded -
wilderness/lakes/rivers/coastal-near-shore-waters. Lets make sure that
if you are congenitally stupid or too lazy to learn
sailling/skiing/hiking/climbing, etc. so that you hurt yourself that the
manufacture of the equipment that you misused and abused is dutiful,
obligatory prey for avaricious shysters ... and are sued and go out of
business because thier dayglo is not up to MIL spec. 49.73333b.98777
para. 2sf. section P regs.
Dayglo is incongruous only except WHEN you NEED to be rescued. Could you
imagine if each and every sojourner wore DayGlo.... It'd look like a
cheapy housing development plopped onto a clear-cut mountain top (mmmm
its already looking like that already in some places). Imagine the
confusion to the rescuers when they see all the Dayglo wussies aimlessly
wandering and gaggling - which one is the REAL victim? Lets waste more
time and expose ourswelves to more danger when searching this out!!!
Why dont you constantly walk around with flares on fire, constantly emit
dye marker as you paddle/sail/hike/treck/climb ( or relieve yourself
!!), notch every tree in sight so you dont lose your way, wear-out the
test buttons out on your EPIRB, etc.
.... why dont you stay home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
end of rant.
The Real Bev
<snip>
> Dayglo is incongruous only except WHEN you NEED to be rescued. Could you
> imagine if each and every sojourner wore DayGlo.... It'd look like a
> cheapy housing development plopped onto a clear-cut mountain top (mmmm
> its already looking like that already in some places). Imagine the
> confusion to the rescuers when they see all the Dayglo wussies aimlessly
> wandering and gaggling - which one is the REAL victim? Lets waste more
> time and expose ourswelves to more danger when searching this out!!!
> Why dont you constantly walk around with flares on fire, constantly emit
> dye marker as you paddle/sail/hike/treck/climb ( or relieve yourself
> !!), notch every tree in sight so you dont lose your way, wear-out the
> test buttons out on your EPIRB, etc.
> .... why dont you stay home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> end of rant.
Not a bad rant, not bad at all. You might want to try adjusting your line
length and adding a few double-CRs to make shorter paragraphs, but that's
just cosmetic.
So what lines of grungewear are you selling?
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bdubya
If I'm reading this right, then of our two hypothetical overboard
crewmen, you'd rather be the one in gray. Did I get that right?
And when I'm windsurfing, should I leave the PFD on shore until I
need it? It's bright yellow, so I'm sure it's kind of an eyesore to
others.
bw
The Real Bev
>
> .... not selling anything, just practicing the fine art of curmudgeonry.
Heh. I would have thought that my love of day-glo was curmudgeonly. It
only works if everybody else is fashionably drab.
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Horvath
this crap:
>Interestingly, that snowboarders (now comprising 35%+ of all those on
35% are you drunk? It's never more than 10% where I go.
>the slopes) are the fastest growing segment of the sport. Without
>snowboarders, the skiing industry would have shriveled to nothing or the
>ski areas would have had to satisfy themselves with stagnant ski ticket
You are seriously deluded. Usually kids are snowboarding, and they
don't pay for their own tickets.
He...@Horvath.net
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>
>Oh Horvath, you were doing so well there for a moment.
>
>But I'm sorry, if you want me to choose between believing you or
>believing Rich's crap, well reasoned crap beats blunt insult every time.
When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with crap.
I've worn both. I have two sets of foul weather gear, and they aren't
warm enough to wear in winter.
I have ski pants, ski bibs, four different ski jackets, numerous sets
of gloves and hats, and they are all too warm for sailing.
Sailing is a summer sport, and skiing is a winter sport. IMO the
clothes don't mix well.
Besides, when I'm sailing I usually only wear a speedo.
Horvath
this crap:
>
>> It figgers. Only a patrollie would post something this dumb.
>***** OK dirtbag, I offer 30+ years of experience and you nothing back
>but a slur.
Bite me, kid.
>
>> Mine are made to fit over my foul weather boots.
>How about that! foulies usually do.
>> And have velcro straps. Thats great that you have normal foulies.
>Be my guest.... put your foulies over your ski boots ... with the
>ensemble looking like a parrots pantaloons - flapping in the breeze,
>getting caught on a ski edge and slicing through many layers of rolled
>gore-tex .... because you had to roll up the foulies into a cuff because
>sailors pants are LONGER than skiers pants. Have a ball. Arschlecht!
Why would they be longer? Do your legs stretch in the summer?
>
>> They seem to work good during a storm. Even while changing sails in
>> 12 foot waves.
>****** You OBVIOUSLY dont sail much. Someone else do your deck work for you?
I sail more than you. And I have plenty of flags to prove it.
>>>I buy skiers pants to wear on board.
>> Aren't they kinda hot?
>***If you WERE a skier, you'd already know that a gore-tex shell is not
>hot. I'll bet you're one the idiots who show up wearing a blaze orange
>one piece hunters suit. Sail a Mac26??
I'll just post a picture. That should shut your whiny ass up.
>>
>> This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe.....
>****** You from New Yawk? speak with dropped R's, slobber a lot, hit
>your head with your hands a lot while talkin' ??
Actually, I'm a retired New York fashion model. Do you still live in
a trailer?
He...@Horvath.net
Horvath
<[no_spam]gro...@uiuc.edu> wrote this crap:
>"lal_truckee" <lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> All good comments, BUT:
>>
>> I'm fear we're due for a comeback of florescent pink ski gear; the signs
>> are out there (gag, choke).
>
>That's why I date a snowboarder.
How many cigarettes does she charge?
Simple Simon
and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
there is water.
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AstroPax®
>How do you tell the difference between a snowboard and a vacuum cleaner:
>You cant, they both come with dirt bags attached. <g>
Dumbass got the joke all wrong.
It's supposed to go like this...
Question: What's the difference between a snowboard and a vacuum
cleaner?
Answer: The position of the dirtbag.
-Astro
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> FWIW, I use my ski parka as a dinghy smock. Since it's more of a shell
> than a parka, it works great over a wetsuit.
does the salt water have any effect on the goretex and seam seals of ski
gear? I'd imagine that it wouldn't be good, at all. Most things used for
salt water sailing seem to get yucky and corroded.
ant
Victor Groszko
> How many cigarettes does she charge?
Doesn't smoke.
But she did work at Hooters when we first came to college, asshat.
bdubya
The Great Lakes aren't salty.
bw
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The Real Bev <bas...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> So what lines of grungewear are you selling?
Hessian sacks!
ant
Donal
"Rich Hampel" <Rhm...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Why dont you constantly walk around with flares on fire, constantly emit
> dye marker as you paddle/sail/hike/treck/climb ( or relieve yourself
> !!), notch every tree in sight so you dont lose your way, wear-out the
> test buttons out on your EPIRB, etc.
> .... why dont you stay home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said!!
Regards
Donal
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wrote:
You're kidding, right? That rant was so incoherent I honestly don't
know what exactly he was railing about. I can make an educated guess
based on the context, but that post was seriously incoherent.
bw
Mary Malmros
> I must be from an anachronistic age when the joy of adventure was to
> enter into a completely isolated, remote, and non-dependent sojourn. In
> doing so I would be damn sure that all precautions and such
> responsibility was mine alone and in so doing would prepare for any
> eventuality.
> Why I gave up being in the rescue service was that I was tired of
> putting myself and others of my crew into constant danger by those who
> substituted the wearing of dayglo, the use of cell phones, and who
> ignored common sense and good reason by reading a paperback of "how to
> do it", etc. for common sense ... instead of the those who try becoming
> *transparent* and learned within nature, etc.
So let me get this straight: if someone wears dayglo, that means
they're ignoring common sense and good reason, and putting you and
your crew in danger, right?
> Dayglo is incongruous only except WHEN you NEED to be rescued. Could you
> imagine if each and every sojourner wore DayGlo.... It'd look like a
> cheapy housing development plopped onto a clear-cut mountain top (mmmm
> its already looking like that already in some places). Imagine the
> confusion to the rescuers when they see all the Dayglo wussies aimlessly
> wandering and gaggling - which one is the REAL victim? Lets waste more
> time and expose ourswelves to more danger when searching this
> out!!!
You must be involved in some pretty strange situations. The one
time I ever ran into a situation like this, there was no confusion
whatsoever between the REAL victim -- who was floating face down,
unconscious -- and the "Dayglo wussies", all of whom were involved
in the rescue in one capacity or another.
> Why dont you constantly walk around with flares on fire, constantly emit
> dye marker as you paddle/sail/hike/treck/climb ( or relieve yourself
> !!), notch every tree in sight so you dont lose your way, wear-out the
> test buttons out on your EPIRB, etc.
Because I don't feel like it? Because there's no point? Because
none of those are behaviors that contribute to my safety, unlike the
wearing of bright colors?
> .... why dont you stay home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because I want to be out there, and you're not the boss of me.
> end of rant.
Somehow I don't think so, but we can live in hope. Glad you got it
off your chest?
BTW, perhaps the only thing more pointless than preaching to the
choir is screaming at the choir that they're a bunch of godless
sinners.
Frank and Ronnie Maier
> I'm a ski patroller and a sailor
Dude, what brand of sailing gear do you buy? I just recently replaced
my set of GoreTex outerwear which was about 15 years old. It was
purchased from REI as "mountaineering" gear but I used it for just
about everything. (It replaced a set of mountaineering 60/40 outerwear
and a set of nylon sailing foulies.) It's still not completely worn
out but it was beat up enough that I felt like spending the money to
replace it.
ant
AstroPax® <as...@skiutah.com> wrote in message
news:khf0tuk17tp8a18a7...@4ax.com...
or, The way the dirtbag's attached.
ant
Horvath
<Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote this crap:
>Ya just gotta love it when someone claims to be sailing
>and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
>there is water.
You shoulda looked before you opened your mouth. In the background is
an island. A very famous island. The hotel just past my right
shoulder is very famous.
Mary Malmros
> Mary Malmros wrote:
>
> [...]
> > So let me get this straight: if someone wears dayglo, that means
> > they're ignoring common sense and good reason, and putting you and
> > your crew in danger, right?
>
> I know you're referring to boating, but insofar as skiing goes, I'd have
> to say yes to the above. At least in New Mexico.
Crap and nonsense. And no, I'm not referring to boating as such.
I'm referring to the nonsensical notion that anyone who wears bright
colors must, by definition, be a reckless fool.
Mary Malmros
> Mary Malmros wrote:
>
> > Bob Lee <rl...@swcp.com> writes:
> >
> > > Mary Malmros wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > > So let me get this straight: if someone wears dayglo, that means
> > > > they're ignoring common sense and good reason, and putting you and
> > > > your crew in danger, right?
> > >
> > > I know you're referring to boating, but insofar as skiing goes, I'd have
> > > to say yes to the above. At least in New Mexico.
> >
> > Crap and nonsense.
>
> !
>
> > And no, I'm not referring to boating as such.
> > I'm referring to the nonsensical notion that anyone who wears bright
> > colors must, by definition, be a reckless fool.
>
> Well, around here you could get beat up or have things thrown at you.
> Or worse - taken for a Texan.
>
> Reckless *and* foolish I call it.
Uh huh. Check back with me when you've had a situation go real on
you.
Gerard Weatherby
>Sometimes people ask me why I always choose bright yellow, orange,
>or red for my kayaks and paddling gear. "So they can find the
>body," I tell 'em.
Having the kayak brightly colored isn't enough:
http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/hc-kayaker1111.artnov11.story
ger...@catsmeow.org
S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org
JQ
"Horvath" <Te...@Fartingmor.com> wrote in message
Here on the east coast snowboarders sometimes are as high a 50% a few times
I thought there may have been more snowboarders than skiers. Most are young
kids but I do see a good number of old heads on snowboards.
JQ
Dancing on the edge
Martin Baxter
>
I do see a good number of old heads on snowboards.
>
I hadn't realized that snowboarding was such a hazardous sport.
Cheers
Marty
Timo Kiravuo
> I've worn both. I have two sets of foul weather gear, and they aren't
> warm enough to wear in winter.
I understand that mr. Horvath is considered the rec.skiing.alpine resident
loony, but just in case somebody is not aware of the principle of layered
clothing, I whish to add a few words.
Generally ski pants and jackets should not be warm or insulated, since they
form the top layer that protects the insulating layers below from the
elements.
I have seen experienced skiiers freezing, because they have an insulated
Gore-Tex-Fleece-Kevlar-whatever state of the art skiing jacket and a cotton
T-shirt underneath. While I was perfectly snug and warm in my woolen
underwear, fleece middle layer and thin shell jacket and pants.
Of course there is nothing wrong in having a skiing jacket with attached
insulation, if you are rich enough to be able to afford having several top
layers. But us members of the proletariat usually have to do with just one
decent shell layer and so far I have been happy with mine. It works for
skiing, sailing, ice climbing, winter camping and romantic walks in the
rain.
> Sailing is a summer sport, and skiing is a winter sport. IMO the
Feel free to visit the Nordic summer. Around here sailing is generally a
winter sport practised at summer time. Sometimes it might be warm, usually
it is not.
kiravuo
Walt
>
> Ya just gotta love it when someone claims to be sailing
> and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
> there is water.
Hmmmm. My server doesn't allow binaries, so I didn't see the picture.
It wasn't a yellow Coronado 27 by any chance was it?
--
//-Walt
// Official Beer Taster for RSA
//
bdubya
wrote:
>Simple Simon wrote:
>>
>> Ya just gotta love it when someone claims to be sailing
>> and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
>> there is water.
>
>Hmmmm. My server doesn't allow binaries, so I didn't see the picture.
>It wasn't a yellow Coronado 27 by any chance was it?
Mine doesn't either, but I can still guess the location pretty damned
easily.
bw
Mary Malmros
> Mary Malmros wrote:
>
> > Bob Lee <rl...@swcp.com> writes:
> >
> > > Mary Malmros wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bob Lee <rl...@swcp.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Mary Malmros wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > So let me get this straight: if someone wears dayglo, that means
> > > > > > they're ignoring common sense and good reason, and putting you and
> > > > > > your crew in danger, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > I know you're referring to boating, but insofar as skiing goes, I'd
> > > > > have
> > > > > to say yes to the above. At least in New Mexico.
> > > >
> > > > Crap and nonsense.
> > >
> > > !
> > >
> > > > And no, I'm not referring to boating as such.
> > > > I'm referring to the nonsensical notion that anyone who wears bright
> > > > colors must, by definition, be a reckless fool.
> > >
> > > Well, around here you could get beat up or have things thrown at you.
> > > Or worse - taken for a Texan.
> > >
> > > Reckless *and* foolish I call it.
> >
> > Uh huh. Check back with me when you've had a situation go real on
> > you.
>
> A 'situation'? You mean like, something dangerous?
Like something happening on the hill or on the water where
someone's in trouble. So tell me: when that happens around your
parts, do people beat up those wearing dayglo or throw things at
them? That's what you said above.
Eric A Holeman
wrote:
>I understand that mr. Horvath is considered the rec.skiing.alpine resident
>loony
Actually, we have quite a number to choose from. Take your pick.
--
---
Eric Holeman eholem1 at uic,edu Chicago Illinois USA
Walt
> In article <3DD0ECB0...@nixu.fi>, Timo Kiravuo wrote:
>
> >I understand that mr. Horvath is considered the rec.skiing.alpine resident
> >loony
>
> Actually, we have quite a number to choose from. Take your pick.
There's not exactly a shortage in alt.sailing.asa either...
Carl Meade
Did I miss a post I didn't see any mention on where the sailing was
taking place, people do sail on salt water. Salt does rot nylon,
someone who sails in the great lakes may find that their sailing gear
lasts longer than someone sailing the Atlanlic (all other things being
equal). The effect is minimised (at least for day sailors) by rinsing
your foulies (and wetsuits etc) at the end of your sail.
IMO there is a choice of the way to go when choosing ski wear. Using
the layering principle you can choose to combine the mid layer with
the outer layer and buy an insulated ski jacket and pants (or one
piece suit) or you can have the mid and shell seperate. The former is
more convenient, slightly cheaper but less flexible (in terms of
skiing in different conditions and using for other sports). I choose
the former as I ski in Scotland where it is always cold and Europe in
January when it is cheap (and cold) so I would never ski in conditions
when my skisuit on its own would be too warm (I sail a wet dinghy
where a wetsuit is the minimum and a drysuit recommended in Scotland
so there is no chance of using the same clothes for both). I then
wear thermals (and a thin layer of fleece if it is very cold)
underneath. I would not condemn as stupid someone who decides on a
seperate shell.
Sailing foulies provide a shell which depending on a variety of
factors may be suitable for skiing. I am sure they could cope with
abrasion with snow as well as a ski suit (sitting on the deck while
wave push you or you slide yourself out to level the boat must be at
least as punishing). The shape of the legs may be different but I
would expect most skiing positions to be possible wearing the foulies
and this could be checked before hitting the slopes. Whether the
bottom of the pants will fit over ski boots is also easily checked
(ski boots are usually bigger than sailing boots). I must admit I
didn't think about the skis cutting the legs and this is a good point
and something to consider and looking at how tough the pants look.
Sailing wear is designed to keep water out, and while it usually
travels down eventually it can travel afair way in other directions
first. Depending on what type of sailing the suit is designed for
depends on how much of this it can cope with. Looking The cut at the
neck and the join between pants and jacket should make it obvious how
much snow is likely to enter the suit on either a faceplant of a slide
down the mountain such that snow can go between the jacket and pants.
The other issue mentions was how slippery the suit would be, while an
old fashioned plastic non breathable suit is likely to have this
problem my sailing drysuit feels identical to my skisuit.
Carl
The Real Bev
>
> Eric A Holeman wrote:
> > In article <3DD0ECB0...@nixu.fi>, Timo Kiravuo wrote:
> >
> > >I understand that mr. Horvath is considered the rec.skiing.alpine resident
> > >loony
> >
> > Actually, we have quite a number to choose from. Take your pick.
>
> There's not exactly a shortage in alt.sailing.asa either...
Is there also an alt.sailing.metric and an alt.sailing.metrinch for those
with loose standards?
--
Cheers,
Bev
***********************************************
"A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki
Walt
> bdubya <bdu...@interaccess.com> wrote
> > >> FWIW, I use my ski parka as a dinghy smock.
> > >
> > >does the salt water have any effect on the goretex...
> >
> > The Great Lakes aren't salty.
> Did I miss a post I didn't see any mention on where the sailing was
> taking place
Yeah, you missed about four years of me, bdubya, and ant yacking about
skiing on rec.skiing.alpine. Had you been paying attention, you'd know
that I live in Michigan. Ant should have known that, but since she's
from Australia she's excused.
So, I'm not the right person to ask about salt water. But it sounds
like you are. Thanks for the info.
ant
Bob Lee <rl...@swcp.com> wrote in message
news:rlee-A9CDB3.0...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> You mean they don't around your parts? How ever do you keep Texans and
> day-glo wearers in line? Even when you catch them trying to ski powder?
> Y'all are some tolerant folks. Mind if I send our Texans your way?
> I'll tell them it's safer.
That was teh great thing about Vermont, they didn't get Texans. Not one.
They were all in Colorado.
ant
Mary Malmros
> > Like something happening on the hill [...]
>
> And day-glo saved the day? I don't think I can say I've been real
> there.
>
> > ...or on the water where someone's in trouble.
>
> There isn't much water hereabouts big enough where day-glo would make a
> difference. But I was talking skiing.
In-bounds, it's not likely to. I think we got onto this subtopic
because the original thread was about multi-use outdoor gear, i.e.,
not just for skiing. So, the day-glo wouldn't be for the ski area,
but for whatever you're doing when you're not skiing but when you're
using your gear.
> > So tell me: when that happens around your parts, do people beat up those
> > wearing dayglo or throw things at them? That's what you said above.
>
> You mean they don't around your parts? How ever do you keep Texans and
> day-glo wearers in line? Even when you catch them trying to ski powder?
> Y'all are some tolerant folks. Mind if I send our Texans your way?
> I'll tell them it's safer.
By all means, but don't be too surprised when they tell you to pull
your horns in and mind your own business. We don't get many Texans
around here, and last I checked, not a great deal of attitude based
on other people's color choices, either.
Horvath
this crap:
>Horvath wrote:
>> I've worn both. I have two sets of foul weather gear, and they aren't
>> warm enough to wear in winter.
>
>I understand that mr. Horvath is considered the rec.skiing.alpine resident
>loony,
And you're considered, what? Nothing?
>
>Generally ski pants and jackets should not be warm or insulated, since they
>form the top layer that protects the insulating layers below from the
>elements.
>
>
>Of course there is nothing wrong in having a skiing jacket with attached
>insulation, if you are rich enough to be able to afford having several top
>layers. But us members of the proletariat usually have to do with just one
>decent shell layer and so far I have been happy with mine. It works for
>skiing, sailing, ice climbing, winter camping and romantic walks in the
>rain.
Cheap ass.
Romantic walks in the rain is NOT walking around downtown, in bad
weather looking for hookers.
Horvath
>Simple Simon wrote:
>>
>> Ya just gotta love it when someone claims to be sailing
>> and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
>> there is water.
>
>Hmmmm. My server doesn't allow binaries, so I didn't see the picture.
>It wasn't a yellow Coronado 27 by any chance was it?
Not a chance. I T-bone 27 foot boats. It was a custom designed and
build S&S 40, especially built for the Canada's Cup.
bdubya
>On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:14:48 -0500, Walt <wa...@boatnerd.com.invalid>
>wrote this crap:
>
>>Simple Simon wrote:
>>>
>>> Ya just gotta love it when someone claims to be sailing
>>> and there's about as much land showing in the picture as
>>> there is water.
>>
>>Hmmmm. My server doesn't allow binaries, so I didn't see the picture.
>>It wasn't a yellow Coronado 27 by any chance was it?
>
>Not a chance. I T-bone 27 foot boats.
?? Busted tiller, or are you really that bad a helmsman?
bw
The Real Bev
Should be "looking for discount hookers."
If you're going to insist on posting pix, what about a website so that all
of us can be edified? Neither of my news servers carried it. Can't
horvath.net spring for a little webspace?
--
Cheers,
Bev
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.
Donal
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:41:36 -0000, "Donal" <do...@lanospamde.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Rich Hampel" <Rhm...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:3DD02E8D...@att.net...
> >> Why dont you constantly walk around with flares on fire, constantly
emit
> >> dye marker as you paddle/sail/hike/treck/climb ( or relieve yourself
> >> !!), notch every tree in sight so you dont lose your way, wear-out the
> >> test buttons out on your EPIRB, etc.
> >> .... why dont you stay home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >Well said!!
>
> You're kidding, right?
Nope!
>That rant was so incoherent I honestly don't
> know what exactly he was railing about. I can make an educated guess
> based on the context, but that post was seriously incoherent.
A *really* good rant should be a little bit incoherent.
The modern world is full of the "something must be done about it" mentality.
Every time that an accident hits the news, people start screaming for
regulations to prevent a reoccurance. Unfortunately, accidents occur in
almost any activity that you care to name. So, ultimately *everything* will
be regulated. I would like the freedom to do some things without the
government telling me how to do them.
Let me give a small example. Ten years ago the UK pension rules for a small
company consisted of a 50 page document. This was difficult enough for an
individual who wanted to start his own business. Today, the same document
has grown to 1300 pages. This level of regulation is appearing in all walks
of life.
It doesn't really matter what colour someone's jacket is. If skiing is so
dangerous that a special jacket must be worn, then nobody should be skiing.
It isn't really that dangerous! Accidents will happen, just as in any other
activity - but the rate is so low that it really doesn't matter what you
wear. If the extra money that you pay for the latest "fad" clothing was
paid as a sort of tax, then we could probably have rescue teams permanently
stationed on every dangerous spot on the piste.
I go sailing to get away from it all. I like the feeling of solitude when
land is out of site. I like being my own boss. I'll wear what I choose.
Regards
Donal
--
bdubya
wrote:
I couldn't agree more with the overall point here, and I'll take it as
a given that that's what Rich was driving at as well. No clue how it
relates to the post he was replying to, but point taken, for sure.
bw
ant
news:aqs4c1$j8i$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
> I go sailing to get away from it all. I like the feeling of solitude when
> land is out of site. I like being my own boss.
Huh, you and Tony Bullimore both!
ant
Horvath
wrote this crap:
I go by the tonnage rule. The bigger boat has the right of way.
Richard Henry
"Horvath" <Te...@Fartingmor.com> wrote in message
The order of precedence of right-of-way hailing (as practiced on San Diego
Bay):
1. "Starboard!"
2. "Bigger!!"
3. "Rental!!!"
Frank and Ronnie Maier
> Walt <wa...@boatnerd.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3DCFE1C7...@boatnerd.com.invalid...
>
> > FWIW, I use my ski parka as a dinghy smock. Since it's more of a shell
> > than a parka, it works great over a wetsuit.
>
> does the salt water have any effect on the goretex and seam seals of ski
> gear? I'd imagine that it wouldn't be good, at all. Most things used for
> salt water sailing seem to get yucky and corroded.
GoreTex works best when it's clean. Salt encrustations, dirt, etc. all
work to turn GoreTex into ordinary non-breathable cloth. If you're
daysailing and your stuff is really grungy, simply put it in the
washing machine when you get home. On long passages or if it's only
slightly crusty and not too grungy, just rinse it with fresh water
once in a while.
ant
Horvath <Te...@Fartingmor.com> wrote in message
news:aqse46$5dt$1...@206.244.73.185...
> I go by the tonnage rule. The bigger boat has the right of way.
Horvath's boat is called Seafood...
ant
JRS
"Horvath" <Te...@Fartingmor.com> wrote in message
news:aqs1k3$bls$1...@206.244.73.185...
DS King
> Just what is up with the yellow Coronado 27 ?????
It's an inside joke, sort of. The sock-puppet character Cap'n NealŽ claims to
own one, and makes all sorts of bizarre and outrageous claims about it's
speed & seaworthiness etc etc.
DSK