Oil Exploration of West Coast of Florida
Thomas Stewart
Bushwhacker & Co are about ready to releave the oil shortage by opening
the West Coast of Florida. Huw about that Neal? You'll be able to tie
up to a drilling platform soon..
Ole Thom
Michael
Pre-serve to relieve the oil shortage. Haven't seen any price drops from
that move yet.
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Michael
Flori-duuuuhhhh? Besides, it won't be real drilling . . . .just dimples.
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Wayne
rather than the West. Unless he got booted out and ended up on the
West side.
I love Texas coastline from Courpus south to Brownsville. Padre Island
always one of my favorite camping areas. BUT the last time I was on
Galveston Island (a few years ago)the beaches wern't even close to
Pensacola area sugar sand. Even the shell beaches of Sarasota are much
better. And water clarity????
I grew up in Texas and Galveston is a big stopping point for most East
Texans I never remember it being much even then.
I would go to Sea Rim State Park near Orange Tx before I would go to
Galveston. Spent many a night camped out on the beach with a
motorcycle I had before moving to Florida. :0)
Texas has the offshore rigs but I sure don't want them here. :o(
In article <20001226222726...@ng-ct1.aol.com>,
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> We have drilling platforms off the Texas coast. So, why not Florida
too?
>
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Sooner or later people got to learn it's one country not fifty states . . .
.once the Electoral College goes the way of dinosaurs the process of
dismantling the checks and balances system started in 1913 will be almost
complete and there will be no further need for States. Just federal
jurisdictions, federal oil fields . . .and . . .oh yes . . . federal
beaches.
And that's the way it will be, at least until it's time to pick the capital
of North America.
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In article <3a497...@news.newsfeeds.com>,
"Michael" <sef...@worldfront.com> wrote:
> But you don't mind using the oil and gas brought in from Texas right?
NOPE!!!
To make such a statement and actually belive it, tells me there is no
way you could possibley be a NATIVE Texan.
> Sooner or later people got to learn it's one country not fifty
states . . .
Unfortunatly I can't argue too much with this statement! Now if we had
open hunting season on the lawyers it just might slow things down some!
> .once the Electoral College goes the way of dinosaurs the process of
> dismantling the checks and balances system started in 1913 will be
almost
> complete and there will be no further need for States. Just federal
> jurisdictions, federal oil fields . . .and . . .oh yes . . .
federal
> beaches.
>
> And that's the way it will be, at least until it's time to pick the
capital
> of North America.
>
Michael
> > But you don't mind using the oil and gas brought in from Texas right?
> NOPE!!!
>
> To make such a statement and actually belive it, tells me there is no
> way you could possibley be a NATIVE Texan.
Not at all. Oregon and Washington and before that Minnesota. We use oil
primarily from Alaska, but also Wyoming, and perhaps California.
Good reason for a sailboat though and with any luck at all I will own zero
automobiles in another 6-7 months.
Gas here dropped all the way down to $1.46.9 for cutrate and $1.53.9 to
$1.56.9 (per standard 4 quart gallon) for major brands in 87 octane.
That's the normal percentage drop for after Summer vacation season. No
apparent influence from the "I love Nature too much" bunch after they
(Clinton with Gore's verbal and open support) . ..opened the Alaska reserve
fields to drilling. Kinda reminds me of that Sierra Club twink in Oregon
who clear cut his own land . . .for profit.
Prices are however about 60 cents a gallon higher than two winters ago.
Still wondering how the national debt and the unbalanced budget is going to
be paid off? Check out 1972 for a lesson from history. Hint . . . .you
can't raise taxes on something without raising the total price of the
product. And for those of you who believe in the balanced budget with a
surplus fairy tale (compliments of Congressional Budget Office) may I refer
you to the Treasury Departments own website which shows a rising deficit
every year since 1800 with it's resulting increase in National Debt. Up
from three point something trillion in 1992 to over 4 and half trillion
eight years later.
And if you think gas prices are high here . . . wait until our group members
from around the world kick in their prices (in liters for some, imperial 5
quart gallons for others).
Personally, I think oil is too important to be wasted on internal
combustion. Considering my boat hull, sails etc. etc. are made of the
stuff. But then my 4-stroke outboard auxilary uses it, my solar panels and
wind generator are also made in part of it, as our my storage battery
casings etc. etc. etc.
Bigger problem right now is electricity. Everyone wants it but no one wants
to produce it . . .kind of like oil . . . . .it's OK in someone else's back
yard.
Dr Arm®
There already is offshore drilling off west florida. Didn't they tell
you that at your Democratatic Racketeer Party anti George Bush meeting?
da
Michael
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Ohmygawd . . . ..Clinton did it to them again . . . . . .. chuckle chuckle
chuckle . . .is there ANY group of supporters he hasn't screwed, blued, and
tattooed? No wonder the Greens and Libertarians are gaining support.
Sorry co-skipper . . . .I just couldn't help myself.
Here's to this years real Christmas Day . . . . .January 17th! Unless of
course he's already changed the name of the holiday.
Spad13
OK, all you liberal airheads, tell me one incident of ecological damage in
the United States from off shore drilling. I would like verifiable facts,
not the rhetoric, slogans and wishful thinking that liberals normally use to
form their opinions. I would also like to know what this has to do with
sailing. Not that this group is overly concerned about that.
I currently live on the Gulf coast of Florida and I know of many oil rigs
off Texas and Louisiana. Are we supposed to be sacrosanct here?
I am sure many of the uninformed will make many cracks about the election.
This wasn't Florida's fault, it was the fault of the politicians contesting
the state with a lot of electoral votes and a close election. Yes, I blame
the Bush camp, too. They should have let Gore steal the election with
fraudulent recounts and left their integrity intact.
JES
Joe S. Butcher
Whats wrong with that? Have you ever dived next to a rig that has been
inplace in the gulf for 5 + years? Most of the Gulf of Mexico is pretty
dull & flat and un-inhabited under water. The rigs make nice places for
fish and marine life to flourish, the groupers and snappers, ling ,
trigger fish, barracudas, spiney oysters and many many more species all
are attracted to these artificial reefs. I've seen Warsaw Groupers that
could swallow you whole. There are many rules in effect to protect the
enviorment, you can't even wash the boat down with soap.
Best Regards,
Joe Butcher
MSV RedCloud
Mike Fulmor
Spad13 wrote
>, tell me one incident of ecological damage in
> the United States from off shore drilling. <
I guess I must be a liberal "air head" I like my air moving in a liberal
fashion, especially in the proper direction to move my boat with it, but I
do seem to remember a little blowout from an oil rig here in the Santa
Barbara channel a few years back. Pretty sure you could say it caused a wee
bit of environmental damage to the birds and other wildlife that got
"cruded".
Mike
Thomas Stewart
SANTA BARBARA
Thomas Stewart
You're new to the group so I guess I need to tell you. I've spent 38 yrs
working in the Oil industry ( Arco ) I'm not a screaming liberal or a
myoptic righty.
I got the response I thought I would get but from the wrong people. The
Crapton has been waving Georgie's Banner. Thought I'd " Chad" his hide a
little. Joe. me thinks, by looking over the replies, I may have hit a
Righty Hot Button.
So to all you Bushwhackers, and your replies -------I'll Drink to That
Ole Thom
Gilligan
g
Spad13
OK, thanks, I was only asking for a verifiable incident of this. Now, how many
of you have stopped using petroleum-based products as a result of this or any
other ecological issue? That means no gasoline, no diesel, no plastics, no
computers (the cases and circuit boards are usually plastic) or anything else
based on petroleum products. It seems a tad hypocritical to complain about
something then continue to reap the benefits of the very thing you purport to
detest.
JES
Felton
Florida, I would be happy to keep our oil rigs if they will keep the
Floridians in Florida. My fishing trip to Corpus Christi this past
summer included tying up to a number of offshore platforms...because
that is where the marine life gathers. I just hope the price rises to
the point that the stinkboats and PWCs stay at the dock:)
Mike Fulmor
all over the ocean, even though they make pretty good aids to navigation.
However, I understand the stuff is running out and they have to get it where
they can. You asked for a verifiable spillage incident and I offered one.
So how about dropping the 'tude, dude. If they made solar powered cars that
worked I'd own one, and after all, I do *sail* whenever I want to go
somewhere on the water. Besides I own one of the old wooden computers.
Mike
P.S. What a shock it was when I took Organic Chem in college and discovered
the plastic I detested (I did detest it at the time) was organic- a bunch of
carbons all strung together. Talk about shattered illusions! It was the
beginning of the end for my childlike innocence.
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Scøtt Vernøn®
selling for 1.15
Diesel went from 1.65 to 1.55
Scøtt Vernøn®
Pløwville Pa. _/)__/)__/)_
Michael wrote ...
Per Elmsäter
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> Around here, gas went from 1.60 to 1.25 in a week. Some new place is
> selling for 1.15
> Diesel went from 1.65 to 1.55
>
Yeah that happened here in Sweden to. Price went from $4.00 a gallon to
$3.60 just like that.
Of course we don't have any oilrigs in the Baltic. The Norwegians are taking
care of that for us in the North Sea.
--
--------------------------------------------------------
"Don't take yourself so seriously.
Life and the sea will take care of that, if given a chance."
Respectfully Perre
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Douglas King
> > Haven't seen any price drops from that move yet.
>
>
> Around here, gas went from 1.60 to 1.25 in a week. Some new place is
> selling for 1.15
> Diesel went from 1.65 to 1.55
Yep. Gas dropped about $0.30 around here too and heating oil is the same
price as last year.
But that doesn't prove a thing to people who have determined that
anything connected in any way with Clinton must be wrong and immoral and
despicable, and facts are irrevelant to the case. I will be *really* glad
to see this attitude go away, although I'm sure most of them (and 100% of
the ditto-heads) will merely find a new way to be stupid.
Although it's kind of a shame about gas prices, I was kind of hoping that
it would get expensive enough that the motorboats would thin out in the
near future.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
Ron Hudson
>Yep. Gas dropped about $0.30 around here too and heating oil is the same
>price as last year.
>
>But that doesn't prove a thing to people who have determined that
>anything connected in any way with Clinton must be wrong and immoral and
>despicable, and facts are irrevelant to the case. I will be *really* glad
>to see this attitude go away
Don't worry... the other side is waiting to step up (down?) and take their
place.
Ron
Dr Arm®
>
> "Dr ArmŽ" <Ar...@Armory.arm> wrote in message
> news:3A499C...@Armory.arm...
> > Thomas Stewart wrote:
> > >
> > > OK Crapton and the rest of your Right wingers, It lokks like George W
> > > Bushwhacker & Co are about ready to releave the oil shortage by opening
> > > the West Coast of Florida. Huw about that Neal? You'll be able to tie
> > > up to a drilling platform soon..
> > >
> > > Ole Thom
> >
> >
> > There already is offshore drilling off west florida. Didn't they tell
> > you that at your Democratatic Racketeer Party anti George Bush meeting?
> >
> > da
>
> Ohmygawd . . . ..Clinton did it to them again . . . . . .. chuckle chuckle
> chuckle . . .is there ANY group of supporters he hasn't screwed, blued, and
> tattooed? No wonder the Greens and Libertarians are gaining support.
>
> Sorry co-skipper . . . .I just couldn't help myself.
>
> Here's to this years real Christmas Day . . . . .January 17th! Unless of
> course he's already changed the name of the holiday.
>
Are you Orthodox? My mom observed Christmas on the 17th also and we
always kept our decorations up until after the 17th. Her family was
Ukranian.
Janet Remo has deceided that people that celebrate Christmas constitute
a cult and therefore can be burned out of their homes.
da
Dr Arm®
>
> As someone who grew up in Texas oil country and who has visited
> Florida, I would be happy to keep our oil rigs if they will keep the
> Floridians in Florida.
In Florida they say nearly the same thing about the New Yorkers.
da
Dr Arm®
>
> > Michael wrote ...
> > > Haven't seen any price drops from that move yet.
> >
> >
> > "Scøtt Vernøn®" wrote:
> > Around here, gas went from 1.60 to 1.25 in a week. Some new place is
> > selling for 1.15
> > Diesel went from 1.65 to 1.55
>
> Yep. Gas dropped about $0.30 around here too and heating oil is the same
> price as last year.
>
> But that doesn't prove a thing to people who have determined that
> anything connected in any way with Clinton must be wrong and immoral and
> despicable, and facts are irrevelant to the case. I will be *really* glad
> to see this attitude go away, although I'm sure most of them (and 100% of
> the ditto-heads) will merely find a new way to be stupid.
Or the ditto heads that think that Clintoon actually had something to do
with the fall in gas prices.
Much like his non existannt ecomnomic policy, non existant energy
policy, and non existant foreign policy?
BYW , ditto head, how did you explain the drop in Norway's gas prices,
as per Per. Now it wouldn't have anything to do with the collapse of
Clintonomics and the world ecomnomy in general now, would it?
Hey Ditto: Don't let any of the facts ever mislead you. Keep believing
that partyline you're expected to swallow. Just don't expect the rest of
us to swallow as easily as you do.
da
Dr Arm®
>
> `>>>>>One incidence of Eco damage from off shore drilling<<<<<<
>
> SANTA BARBARA
I think there was one offshoe Scotland also, if I'm not mistaken.
But much more petrolium ecodamage has occured from ships lost at sea
during transport than from offshore rigs.
I suspect that by and large, the largest ecological damage has been done
by petotrlium in it's use rather than in either it's transport or
offshore pumping.
da
Dr Arm®
Of course that alternative of using the Carter Administrations energy
policy would be even worse: Coal.
da
Douglas King
> Or the ditto heads that think that Clintoon actually had something to do
> with the fall in gas prices.
Umm, let me guess: somehow the laws of supply and demand are no longer
operational simply because to admit that they are means admitting that somehow
CLinton did something good? No wait, that's too complicated a logic chain for
you to follow I'm sure.
>
>
> Much like his non existannt ecomnomic policy, non existant energy
> policy, and non existant foreign policy?
Gosh, do you expect me to defend the outgoing administration? I don't
particularly like them, but they've done at least as well as a certain recent
President who thought trees caused air pollution and better than one who
vomited all over a foreign delegation. But please don't let facts sway you.....
> BYW , ditto head, how did you explain the drop in Norway's gas prices,
> as per Per.
Easy. Supply and demand. Look it up, it's in most basic economic and financial
texts and it's much easier to understand than Navier-Stokes. I would guess that
even you could probably grasp it.
Now go argue with JAXAshby.
dcharles
Burlington,nc--ext 152--gas 1.21, diesel, 1.33.
Capt. Mooron
installation.... you should all switch to natural gas! This would stop all
this petroleum pollution and assist me in outfitting my boat with all the
overtime I'm working!
As they say in the business... "Now you're cooking with gas!" hahahahaha!
--
Capt. Mooron - S.V.Overproof
"Treat Your Crew with Disdain and other Vessels with Distaste"
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Dr Arm®
>
> "Dr ArmŽ" wrote:
>
> > Or the ditto heads that think that Clintoon actually had something to do
> > with the fall in gas prices.
>
> Umm, let me guess: somehow the laws of supply and demand are no longer
> operational simply because to admit that they are means admitting that somehow
> CLinton did something good? No wait, that's too complicated a logic chain for
> you to follow I'm sure.
Guess again, partyline boy. If we had a strawfilled dummy in the white
house, "supply and demand" would still apply, whether you can understand
that thought or not. Come to think of it, we did have a strawfilled
dummmy in the white house. But you Dittoheads that find the need to
scrape the toilets to find SOMETHING that you can credit the
non-existant Clintoon administration with, Besides masturbation and
homosexuality, that is.
>
> >
> >
> > Much like his non existannt ecomnomic policy, non existant energy
> > policy, and non existant foreign policy?
>
> Gosh, do you expect me to defend the outgoing administration?
I don't think you're any more capable of that than you are of admitting
what a total vacuum it was. Good ridence to nothing, the only thing you
have to defend is you partyline subsrevence to partyline dogma.
Certainly nothing the Clintoon administration did needs to be defended,
since it did nothing.
I don't
> particularly like them, but they've done at least as well as a certain recent
> President who thought trees caused air pollution
Your attempts to slander Bush are lost in your party line fakery.
Carter was a moron, everybody knew that. Now the Clintoon administration
is so bad it actually makes him look smart! Carter's energy policy of
coal, COAL!!! was a real winner, don't you think? The Clintoon admin
doesn't even have that! Wait, when you can't get electrical power at
home because the Clintoon administration neglected the infrastructure
for eight years, and maybe you'll sing a different song.
Unfortunately it will still likely be someoone else that writes the
words for you to sing.
and better than one who
> vomited all over a foreign delegation. But please don't let facts sway you.....
Any foreigh policy is better than the Clintoons Including vomit! At
least when Bush left office Japan was still an ally of ours. The
payments that China made to buyout the Clintoon administration left us
with no true allies in Asia, including China. Vomit would have been a
better foreigh poliicy. Come to think of it, the Japaneese today
probably look on vomit as a preminition.
>
> > BYW , ditto head, how did you explain the drop in Norway's gas prices,
> > as per Per.
>
> Easy. Supply and demand. Look it up, it's in most basic economic and financial
> texts and it's much easier to understand than Navier-Stokes. I would guess that
> even you could probably grasp it.
Uh, better reread the posts again, Clintoonboy.
I suppose even you can't cowtie to your Clintoon in the face of the
facts. and so now you backpedal on your original claims. A dummy in the
White house for eight years and another on the Internet dancing to his
partyline.
Tell me, which do you enjoy more, the homosexuality or the masturbation?
>
> Now go argue with JAXAshby.
Been there, done that. Even got a t-shirt.
Now YOU try to walk a straight line!
da
Michael
"Douglas King" <dou...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > Michael wrote ...
> > > Haven't seen any price drops from that move yet.
> >
> >
> > "Scøtt Vernøn®" wrote:
> > Around here, gas went from 1.60 to 1.25 in a week. Some new place is
> > selling for 1.15
> > Diesel went from 1.65 to 1.55
>
> Yep. Gas dropped about $0.30 around here too and heating oil is the same
> price as last year.
>
> But that doesn't prove a thing to people who have determined that
> anything connected in any way with Clinton must be wrong and immoral and
> despicable, and facts are irrevelant to the case
In Washington which is very close to the Alaska oil fields and should be
first to benefit from additonal drilling prices fell slowly . . .two cents a
gallon at a time. There has been no quantum jumps downward.
As for Mr. Clinton we have learned repeatedly that most things connected
with him are not quite as accurate as one would hope to expect therefore it
is probable that this is just another example. To state the root of his
particular problem in terms his ardent supporters will understand (and seem
heavily fixated with) it was not the sex I objected to but rather his
inability to be truthful about the sex, and most other subjects he
addresses.
Relevent to his particular issue, he did open up (or was it claimed to have
opened up) the Alaska Reserves and Protected areas. Gore did in fact
publicly support this. They did claim it would cause a fall in prices.
Prices, on a comparative percentage basis did in fact fall but only as much
as would be expected for the post summer vacation season.
So the questions are:
When will the fall in prices occur as promised? (perhaps there is a built
in production and distribution delay)
If there is a drop in price attributable to opening up those previously
protected areas is it worth the damage to the environment? ( one cent a
gallon, five cent a gallon . ..at what monetary point does a price drop
justify the action).
Which brings us full circle back to the legitimate concerns of when and
where oil production should take place and IF we need the stuff so badly why
not in the back yard, beaches, and sailing waters of those who use it?
Notice how I tied this in to sailing making it somewhat on-topic.
Michael
> policy would be even worse: Coal.
>
>
> da
Especially since all the clean burning coal has been locked up in a national
preserve (gee isn't that the same protection Alaskan oil had?). . .
.leaving the dirty burning coal to be mined as normal.
Michael
> > course he's already changed the name of the holiday.
> >
> Are you Orthodox? My mom observed Christmas on the 17th also and we
> always kept our decorations up until after the 17th. Her family was
> Ukranian.
>
> a cult and therefore can be burned out of their homes.
>
>
> da
I didn't know that about the Orthodoxy. I was referring to the 17th as
inaugaration day.
Dr Arm®
It can be done, but it takes a long time in the morning to get that tank
of water boiling. <g>
da
Dr Arm®
> As for Mr. Clinton we have learned repeatedly that most things connected
> with him are not quite as accurate as one would hope to expect therefore it
> is probable that this is just another example. To state the root of his
> particular problem in terms his ardent supporters will understand (and seem
> heavily fixated with) it was not the sex I objected to but rather his
> inability to be truthful about the sex, and most other subjects he
> addresses.
That's what most people would say also, but Democratic Racketeer Party
Activists would have you believe that anybody that questioned The Great
Liar was objecting to his fondness for sex.
Lieing under oath, as Clintoon repeatedly did, is called "perjury". It's
got nothing to do with the subject matter of the perjury.
da
Spad13
> Gosh, do you expect me to defend the outgoing administration? I don't
> particularly like them, but they've done at least as well as a certain recent
> President who thought trees caused air pollution and better than one who
> vomited all over a foreign delegation. But please don't let facts sway you.....
You think a President's taking ill is a reflection on his ability and policies?
Now that is really sticking to facts and logic.
Come on, Doug, I expected better from you.
I have often said, that no President can be blamed for everything that happens in
his administration and he also cannot take credit for everything good that happens.
The current economy is mostly due to the end of the cold war and the successful
stewardship of Alan Greenspan. No matter who was elected, they would have reaped
the benefits and grabbed the credit. In this election, it would not have mattered
if Gore or Bush had won, they would have to eventually bear the brunt of any fall
out from the current administration. It is really too soon to tell what that may
be, but I predict a bad time for Bush.
JES
Spad13
> I don't detest petroleum, Spad, I just would rather not see drilling rigs
> all over the ocean, even though they make pretty good aids to navigation.
> However, I understand the stuff is running out and they have to get it where
> they can. You asked for a verifiable spillage incident and I offered one.
> So how about dropping the 'tude, dude. If they made solar powered cars that
> worked I'd own one, and after all, I do *sail* whenever I want to go
> somewhere on the water. Besides I own one of the old wooden computers.
> Mike
>
What 'tude? Just because I had the effrontery to point out the dichotomy in
protesting something while you enjoy the benefits of that very thing? That's
not attitude, it is called truth. But then, truth-tellers have never been very
popular. They often get crucified, burnt at the stake, slandered, and
vilified. I am used to it, so it doesn't bother me much any more.
And even a solar powered car would use many petroleum based parts. You might
also consider how polluting and industry it would be to manufacture solar cells,
batteries, and electric motors in a quantity sufficient to replace today's fleet
of cars, trucks, and buses. Even pure electric cars, such as GM's EV-1, require
many polluting products in their manufacture. Electric and solar vehicles are a
"feel-good" solution that only move the pollution problem form one source to
another. Even a pure hydrogen powered engine produces dihydrogen monoxide, a
major component in acid rain.
No attitude, just enjoying the dialog.
JES
Spad13
Now you are on to the facts! Good post, Dr. A.
JES
Scøtt Vernøn®
stinkpotters. They can get the 17.5 cent state tax rebated. Catch= 5 gallon
and under not eligible. I guess there's more rich stinkpotters in VA gov't
than sailors. :^( Makes sense, rich-bitch with big motored yacht really
needs a break compared to the poor schmuck driving to and from work everyday
in his Yugo.
Scøtt Vernøn®
Pløwville Pa. _/)__/)__/)_
Douglas King wrote ...
Mike Fulmor
Spad13 wrote
> What 'tude? Just because I had the effrontery to point out the dichotomy
OK, you win, I'm a hypocritical brain dead raving liberal activist with no
grip on reality. You may call it dialog, I call it looking for a scrap, and
I'm not interested. Nobody I read anything from was doing any "protesting".
Ole Thom was just trying to raise the neal demon from whatever dank hole
he's been hiding in, and all I did was answer your question.
I do my part the best I can. I promote sailing, I walk to work every day
and hardly ever get in my car, I recycle, especially the plastic I pick up
every time I see it out on the ocean, I have a wooden computer, and it's
powered by a windmill.
Nice chatting with you.
Mike
Douglas King
>
> > Gosh, do you expect me to defend the outgoing administration? I don't
> > particularly like them, but they've done at least as well as a certain recent
> > President who thought trees caused air pollution and better than one who
> > vomited all over a foreign delegation. But please don't let facts sway you.....
>
> Spad13 wrote:
> You think a President's taking ill is a reflection on his ability and policies?
> Now that is really sticking to facts and logic.
Not at all, and please note that I did not say it did. I merely said that 1- to
identify who I was talking about and 2- as a counterweight to the illogical smears that
have been tossed at Clinton. Reagans views on trees causing air pollution and Bush Srs
unfortunate stomach virus had very little to do with their abilities as Chief
Executive.
However the facts of the case that there is NOTHING that any Bill-basher can point to
and say "This is the result of the Clinton Administration's terrible incompetence in
foreign affairs." It simply doesn't exist.
Actually they have done relatively well, in fact they have not started any unnecessary
wars and then failed to finish them. Nor did they harbor any traitors who sold weapons
to terrorists and then denied all knowledge of it.
Fact: Blowjob Bill is roughly average, as Presidents go. He's no FDR but then he's no
Millard Fillmore either. Those who demonize him are irresponsible quacks, and (as I
said earlier) I am REALLY tired of them. You'd think that they would finally shut up!
>
> Come on, Doug, I expected better from you.
Must I agree with your political leanings? Sorry, but this is America and the worst
offenders are not those who disagree but those who insist that dissent must be stamped
out.
>
>
> I have often said, that no President can be blamed for everything that happens in
> his administration and he also cannot take credit for everything good that happens.
Agreed.
Now who should take credit for wasting $52 million dollars of the taxpayers money on
investigating a blowjob? Aren't these the same people who claim that they want to tax
and spend less? Aren't the same people who were appalled at the idea of GOre becoming
President, and fabricated all sorts of smears against him, the same ones who wanted to
knock Blowjob Bill out of the Oval Office and seat Al Gore behind that desk?
> The current economy is mostly due to the end of the cold war and the successful
> stewardship of Alan Greenspan.
The cold war ended ten years ago, while it has certainly had a positive effect that is
not the only reason. Alan Greenspan has done a great job at the Fed but his "control"
over the economy is rather overrated too. All he can do is influence interest rates and
nudge the money supply. Of course, if these go wrong the whole train derails, but it's
far from the whole ball game.
The economy has done well because there has been a lot of people willing to spend
money, both personal and business, on new goods and services; and more than ever there
are an increasing variety of goods and services to be bought (a self-accelerating
cycle). What little credit the Clinton Administration can truthfully claim is fostering
a business atmosphere that encourages entrepreneurship- and it's possible that more
credit should go to the Republican Congress.
> No matter who was elected, they would have reaped
> the benefits and grabbed the credit. In this election, it would not have mattered
> if Gore or Bush had won, they would have to eventually bear the brunt of any fall
> out from the current administration. It is really too soon to tell what that may
> be, but I predict a bad time for Bush.
Agreed, although Bush Jr is the "President of Low Expectations" so I'm sure he'll come
out OK.
Now back to sailing!
DSK
Felton
Would that be the Floridians from New Jersey saying that?:) I assumed
that everyone in Florida was either from the New York/New Jersey area
or Cuba...but I was only there for a couple of weeks:)
William, Edward. Aldridge.
you ) It's nearly £4.00 a gallon here, thats about $ 5.80 to you.I dont care
who opens what up where as long as the price comes down. At least it's a bit
cheaper in Spain so I can afford Deisel for the boat.
Bill tspe.
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William, Edward. Aldridge.
and demand as, we have oil fields in the North Sea and there is plenty of
demand, notwithstanding that, the government imposed tax on petrol is
somewhere in the region of 350 % on refinery gate prices, and at point of
sale there is also VAT at 17.5% and that includes VAT on top of the original
tax. Not bad Hey ?? No its just a way of milking the motorists in the UK.
If they opened up another ten oilfields the price here would not go down.
Just milk the poor cow more.( most of the tax they take just dissapears in
to the social security black hole).
bILL TSPE
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Spad13
Again you disappoint me, Doug. First of all, the 52 million was to investigate a clear
case of perjury. That is a felony and. if you had done it, you would be doing prison
time. But I am sure that Bill would "feel your pain" as you rooted in your cell.
Next, I don't really care if you agree with my political leanings or not. Why should I
care about that any more than I do about the meaningless maunderings on this group about
the Bernoulli Principle. What I do care about is truth and facts. You said, " Nor did
they harbor any traitors who sold weapons to terrorists and then denied all knowledge of
it." The sale of weapons and technology to the Chinese does not count? It seems that when
the Republicans do it, it is a terrible, terrible thing. When a Democrat does it, it
either didn't really happen or wasn't so bad. Deny, delay, distract seems to be this
administration's mantra.
"The cold war ended ten years ago, while it has certainly had a positive effect that is not
the only reason. " During the Reagan administration as I recall. I did not say it was the
only reason, but it has certainly been a major factor.
:Alan Greenspan has done a great job at the Fed but his "control" over the economy is
rather overrated too. All he can do is influence interest rates and nudge the money supply.
"
And that doesn't influence the stability of the economy? Or is this another, "if a
Republican does it..." thing?
"they have not started any unnecessary wars"
Then what was that little fiasco during the impeachment hearings? Another "Police Action"?
"Fact: Blowjob Bill is roughly average, as Presidents go. He's no FDR but then he's no
Millard Fillmore either. Those who demonize him are irresponsible quacks, and (as I said
earlier) I am REALLY tired of them. You'd think that they would finally shut up!"
One the one hand, you decry those who would stifle debate, ("this is America and the worst
offenders are not those who disagree but those who insist that dissent must be stamped
out.") then go on to demand the very same thing yourself.
I will be the first to say that I am confident that all politicians are liars. If they
were not, how could they be elected in a "feel-good" electorate? The difference is, to lie
under oath to a grand jury is a felony. Then to tell lies that insult our intelligence
(most of us anyway) makes it even worse. "I was instrumental in creating the Internet",
for example.
Blatant Billy could have simply refused to answer any questions about the entire Lewinsky
affair by saying, "Comments on personal conduct are unbecoming to this office and I will
not entertain any more questions of that nature." The dignity of the presidency would have
remained intact and he would have retained a measure of my respect. As it is, Americans
are the laughing stock of the world.
Enough, I have important sailing to do and a very pesky packing gland to attend.
Fair winds,
JES
Spad13
I agree with everything in your first sentence. You are entitled to your
opinion of the nature of the dialog. I thank you for the answer, but it seems
the 'tude is not from me.
BTW, do you lube that windmill with petroleum products or bear fat from an
animal you have killed yourself?
JES
William, Edward. Aldridge.
of all the new supplies of high quality crap you could export, not to
mention the amount of methane as a by product, ( methane powered boat
engines )???
Bill tspe :-)
Thomas Stewart <tas...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Hey Joe,
>
> You're new to the group so I guess I need to tell you. I've spent 38 yrs
> working in the Oil industry ( Arco ) I'm not a screaming liberal or a
> myoptic righty.
>
> I got the response I thought I would get but from the wrong people. The
> Crapton has been waving Georgie's Banner. Thought I'd " Chad" his hide a
> little. Joe. me thinks, by looking over the replies, I may have hit a
> Righty Hot Button.
>
> So to all you Bushwhackers, and your replies -------I'll Drink to That
>
> Ole Thom
>
Douglas King
Spad13 wrote:
>
> Again you disappoint me, Doug.
Why, because I can observe and think for myself, yet somehow don't agree with you?
> First of all, the 52 million was to investigate a clear
> case of perjury.
Yep. Perjury abouta blowjob.
If I got a blowjob in my office from an employee, I'd expect to get slammed. I am not defending
Slick Willie's behavior, just pointing out that making a Federal case out of it is stupid and
expensive (and, from the Republican's point of view, a failure).
> That is a felony and. if you had done it, you would be doing prison
> time.
You mean like Bill Gate is? His lies were much more blatant and much more destructive of public
perogatives. However he is still free and persuing monopolist power/profit. I assume that
several trunkloads of cash were shoveled under the table in his case.
> Next, I don't really care if you agree with my political leanings or not.
Well then what are you "disappointed" in?
> What I do care about is truth and facts. You said, " Nor did
> they harbor any traitors who sold weapons to terrorists and then denied all knowledge of
> it." The sale of weapons and technology to the Chinese does not count?
Please state what weapons were sold to the Chinese. AFAIK there were some computer systems that
could be used to design weapons, but does this compare with selling Stinger missiles a an
operable hi-tech weapon itself? Not IMHO.
> It seems that when
> the Republicans do it, it is a terrible, terrible thing. When a Democrat does it, it
> either didn't really happen or wasn't so bad.
That is certainly not at all what I am saying. It is an assumption that you are imposing on
anyone who dares disagree with you.
> Deny, delay, distract seems to be this
> administration's mantra.
Soprt of like the delay and distraction you are proposing in answer to my questions.
>
>
> "The cold war ended ten years ago, while it has certainly had a positive effect that is not
> the only reason. " During the Reagan administration as I recall. I did not say it was the
> only reason, but it has certainly been a major factor.
Agreed. However it is probably not as big a factor as the tremendous amount of private spending
(which BTW has led to a tremendous amount of debt, the reconciliation of which does not bode
well). Remember that the economy is a cycle, if the gov't spends that money still goes into
private hands and gets cycled around. However the amount of debt and the creation of new types
of goods and services expands the whole apparatus much faster than defense spending and gov't
debt.
Of course, not as much of it ends up in Dick Cheney's pocket, which is why he is screaming to
"rebuild the military." This sort of thinly-covered profiteering leaves me with a rather bad
taste, but about 49.9% of those who bothered to vote seemed to not care.
>
>
> :Alan Greenspan has done a great job at the Fed but his "control" over the economy is
> rather overrated too. All he can do is influence interest rates and nudge the money supply.
> "
>
> And that doesn't influence the stability of the economy? Or is this another, "if a
> Republican does it..." thing?
Look, did I say Greenspan had nothing to do with it, or is this more "delay and distract"? I am
beginning to get very disappointed in you.
>
>
> "they have not started any unnecessary wars"
>
> Then what was that little fiasco during the impeachment hearings? Another "Police Action"?
What "little fiasco" are you referring to? The invasion of Bosnia? That was long overdue and
IIRC the Republicans were denouncing Blowjob Bill for NOT doing it, now you are slamming him
for getting involved. Or are you referring to the retaliation for the terrorist bombings via
Tomahawk? You're saying it's a bad idea to attack, at no risk to American servicemen, the
facilities used to attack us?
Please be specific and not do quite so much delaying and distracting.
Has the US fought a major land war, and failed to achieve the basic objective of that war,
under the Clinton Administration? I don't remember such an occurence, but then maybe I missed
it.
>
>
> "Fact: Blowjob Bill is roughly average, as Presidents go. He's no FDR but then he's no
> Millard Fillmore either. Those who demonize him are irresponsible quacks, and (as I said
> earlier) I am REALLY tired of them. You'd think that they would finally shut up!"
>
> One the one hand, you decry those who would stifle debate, ("this is America and the worst
> offenders are not those who disagree but those who insist that dissent must be stamped
> out.") then go on to demand the very same thing yourself.
Not at all. I am just asking for 1- the Bill-Bashers to shut up and 2- for those who agree with
the Bill-Bashers to present some (just a few) facts and reasons. None so far!
>
>
> I will be the first to say that I am confident that all politicians are liars. If they
> were not, how could they be elected in a "feel-good" electorate?
Somewhat agreed. There are a number of problems with our current system and voters short
memories is one of them.
> The difference is, to lie
> under oath to a grand jury is a felony.
Then how come Bill Gates didn't go to jail? How about John Glenn (who for the most part I
respect and admire... how the heck he got into the Keating mess I don't know)? The fact is that
Bill lied about a blowjob, and frankly that's just not that important except between him and
Hillary.
> Then to tell lies that insult our intelligence
> (most of us anyway) makes it even worse. "I was instrumental in creating the Internet",
> for example.
Well, you can believe what you want. However you seem to have swallowed a lot of the lies,
near-truths, and illogic propounded by the conservative media... the same ones who scream so
loud about the "liberal biased media" which is a joke. However I suppose it is better than the
blatant racism and bigotry that used to commonly spout from the same sources. Jim, does the
phrase "Jewish-controlled media" ring any bells with you?
>
> Blatant Billy could have simply refused to answer any questions about the entire Lewinsky
> affair by saying, "Comments on personal conduct are unbecoming to this office and I will not
> entertain any more questions of that nature."
Well, that would have been a far better anwer, but he didn't think of it.
> The dignity of the presidency would have remained intact and he would have retained a measure
> of my respect.
I doubt it, Jim, you sound like you are very much in lockstep with the Bill-Bashers and
probably were before he was ever elected. Do you enjoy having your thinking influenced by guys
like Jerry Falwell? Did you notice how the real mouthpiece of the Retardican plutocrat
fascists, Dr. Arm(tm) has nothing to contribute to this thread now that the discussion does not
invove heavy breathing and name calling?
> As it is, Americans are the laughing stock of the world.
Only in your mind. I don't think Americans are a laughingstock anywhere for any reason that
pertain to Blowjob Billy. However there are lots of folks from other countries who are right
here listening. How about it, Per? Oz?
>
>
> Enough, I have important sailing to do and a very pesky packing gland to attend.
Good luck, that can be a real PITA.
It is far too cold here to do anything to or with the boat and that is one reason why I am
posting this. Enough is right! On to better things.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
Michael
"Felton" <fel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:10:46 GMT, Dr ArmŽ <Ar...@Armory.arm> wrote:
>
> >Felton wrote:
> >>
> >> As someone who grew up in Texas oil country and who has visited
> >> Florida, I would be happy to keep our oil rigs if they will keep the
> >> Floridians in Florida.
> >
> >
> >In Florida they say nearly the same thing about the New Yorkers.
> >
> >da
>
about Californians. "They" are the former Californians who arrived
yesterday.
Michael
Michael
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katysails
Bear grease, of course....
katysails
S/V Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
David Ohara
> OK Crapton and the rest of your Right wingers, It lokks like George W
> Bushwhacker & Co are about ready to releave the oil shortage by opening
> the West Coast of Florida. Huw about that Neal? You'll be able to tie
> up to a drilling platform soon..
>
> Ole Thom
>
>
>
>
Being a native Floriduhan (as were my parents and their parents) I've seen
the result of so-called clean tourist industry. We could have a dozen Exxon
Valdez disasters each year and not cause as much environmental damage as has
been caused by the evil mouse land and other tourist traps. I've seen the
salt marshes filled in to make condos for the northern transplants who came
to see the rodent and never left. Off-shore drilling is temporary while
hotels on the beach are permanent. Compared to tourism, the oil industry is
a paragon of environmental virtue.
David OHara
Scøtt Vernøn®
Scøtt Vernøn®
Pløwville Pa. _/)__/)__/)_
Mike Fulmor wrote ...
Thomas Stewart
Stop singing that damn GOP theme song," It was Bound to Happen Anyway"
About Admin. getting credit and taking blame How many Admin. had to
resign both President and Vice Presid., Who had the Contra Screw up and
couldn't remember half of what went on during the hearings, Who wae it
that said, on TV, "Read My Lips.", Who did all the "Creative Vote
Counting' in Florida?
After all of that, How can anyone use a term like " Democratic
Racketeering" I'll buy Political Crooks but make sure your own house is
it order.
Remember, we've been " Bushwhacked" once. The seconded time shouldn't be
a surprise, and remember; the public didn't elect him the Court did.
And, to keep in topic, I was kidding Neal about offshore oil rigs
creating hazard to Nav.
And-----The course of least resistance makes rivers and men crooked
"I'LL DRINK TO THAT."
Ole Thom
bob
> Mike Fulmor wrote ...
>>I have a wooden computer, and it's powered by a windmill.
>>
>>
> Can it compute directly into the wind???
>
> Scøtt Vernøn®
> Pløwville Pa. _/)__/)__/)_
>
>
bob in fla
Thomas Stewart
Yes, I'm still breathing polluted air, while sailing. Yes, I'm still
drinking polluted water, when I make my Hot Toddy and cook my meals, I'm
still getting to much sun when I'm sailing, due to ozone deletion.
However I refuse to live in the dark and sail only at night. I refuse to
stop drinking water and most of all I refuse to stop breathing. You can,
that's your choice, and good luck.
Think "I'LL DRINK TO THAT " straight this time
Ole Thom
Mike Fulmor
Mike
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Thomas Stewart
Spad13
> Why, because I can observe and think for myself
That remains to be seen.
> yet somehow don't agree with you?
I would never expect that.
> > First of all, the 52 million was to investigate a clear
> > case of perjury.
>
> Yep. Perjury abouta blowjob.
Perjury is perjury. The subject matter is irrelevant. I repeat, if you had done it, you would
have gone to jail. It is a typical Clinton tactic, to dismiss the subject matter as unimportant
when they cannot deny the facts. You have learned well from them.
> If I got a blowjob in my office from an employee, I'd expect to get slammed. I am not defending
> Slick Willie's behavior, just pointing out that making a Federal case out of it is stupid and
> expensive (and, from the Republican's point of view, a failure).
Making a Federal case out of perjury in front of the grand jury is right and proper. I suspect the
failure was due to a fear that, by removing Clinton, they would be assuring Al Gore's election.
Their inept, cowardly handling of the issue almost did it anyway.
> > That is a felony and. if you had done it, you would be doing prison
> > time.
>
> You mean like Bill Gate is? His lies were much more blatant and much more destructive of public
> perogatives. However he is still free and persuing monopolist power/profit. I assume that
> several trunkloads of cash were shoveled under the table in his case.
If I understand you, multiple injustices make them OK in the end. This is like saying rape and
murder are common so they must be all right. I am no fan of Bill Gates and, if I had power in this
case, Microsoft would now be about five small companies.
> > Next, I don't really care if you agree with my political leanings or not.
>
> Well then what are you "disappointed" in?
Your lack of interest in facts. You are usually so clear-headed and knowledgeable in sailing
matters.
> > What I do care about is truth and facts. You said, " Nor did
> > they harbor any traitors who sold weapons to terrorists and then denied all knowledge of
> > it." The sale of weapons and technology to the Chinese does not count?
>
> Please state what weapons were sold to the Chinese. AFAIK there were some computer systems that
> could be used to design weapons, but does this compare with selling Stinger missiles a an
> operable hi-tech weapon itself? Not IMHO.
If you think that high-tech computer systems are not a weapon in today's world, you have been badly
out of touch for quite a while. Stinger missiles are a relatively low tech weapon by today's
standards. Accepting campaign contributions from a foreign government is, at best, questionable,
and quite possible treasonous.
> > It seems that when
> > the Republicans do it, it is a terrible, terrible thing. When a Democrat does it, it
> > either didn't really happen or wasn't so bad.
>
> That is certainly not at all what I am saying. It is an assumption that you are imposing on
> anyone who dares disagree with you.
I am only "observing and thinking for myself" and that seems to be the thrust of your argument.
> > Deny, delay, distract seems to be this
> > administration's mantra.
>
> Soprt of like the delay and distraction you are proposing in answer to my questions.
What delay and distraction would that be? Asking if you committed perjury would you go to jail?
> > "The cold war ended ten years ago, while it has certainly had a positive effect that is not
> > the only reason. " During the Reagan administration as I recall. I did not say it was the
> > only reason, but it has certainly been a major factor.
>
> Agreed. However it is probably not as big a factor as the tremendous amount of private spending
> (which BTW has led to a tremendous amount of debt, the reconciliation of which does not bode
> well). Remember that the economy is a cycle, if the gov't spends that money still goes into
> private hands and gets cycled around. However the amount of debt and the creation of new types
> of goods and services expands the whole apparatus much faster than defense spending and gov't
> debt.
>
> Of course, not as much of it ends up in Dick Cheney's pocket, which is why he is screaming to
> "rebuild the military." This sort of thinly-covered profiteering leaves me with a rather bad
> taste, but about 49.9% of those who bothered to vote seemed to not care.
Are you saying that Dick Cheney is accepting kick-backs or bribes? This is a very serious charge.
Where is your evidence? Do you have any that you would care to present to a grand jury?
As far as the economy is concerned, you cannot spend yourself rich. The fiscal policies of the
government, Democratic and Republican, for the past 50 years have been to tax and spend. I believe
that we are going to bite a very nasty bullet for this in the next few years.
> > :Alan Greenspan has done a great job at the Fed but his "control" over the economy is
> > rather overrated too. All he can do is influence interest rates and nudge the money supply.
> > "
> >
> > And that doesn't influence the stability of the economy? Or is this another, "if a
> > Republican does it..." thing?
>
> Look, did I say Greenspan had nothing to do with it, or is this more "delay and distract"? I am
> beginning to get very disappointed in you.
You did downplay the role of the Fed in controlling interest rates and stabilizing the economy. I
fail to see how this is a "delay and distract" tactic. I suppose that if you don't like the
message, it is easy to attack the messenger.
> What "little fiasco" are you referring to? The invasion of Bosnia? That was long overdue and
> IIRC the Republicans were denouncing Blowjob Bill for NOT doing it, now you are slamming him
> for getting involved. Or are you referring to the retaliation for the terrorist bombings via
> Tomahawk? You're saying it's a bad idea to attack, at no risk to American servicemen, the
> facilities used to attack us?
>
> Please be specific and not do quite so much delaying and distracting.
Attack the messenger again. Doesn't it seem a little odd that the decision to invade Bosnia came
just at a time when he was in the middle of an impeachment? I did not support any of that and the
fact that some Hawk Republicans did does not make it right. I would slam all of them equally.
What I am saying is that, if there had been no impeachment, this would never have happened.
> Has the US fought a major land war, and failed to achieve the basic objective of that war,
> under the Clinton Administration? I don't remember such an occurence, but then maybe I missed
> it.
The days of major land wars are just about over. So giving Clinton credit for not doing it is very
faint praise indeed. We might also observe that there has been no real need for a major land war.
That's like saying, "Well, Bill didn't rape my wife," when he has never been within miles of her.
> > One the one hand, you decry those who would stifle debate, ("this is America and the worst
> > offenders are not those who disagree but those who insist that dissent must be stamped
> > out.") then go on to demand the very same thing yourself.
>
> Not at all. I am just asking for 1- the Bill-Bashers to shut up and 2- for those who agree with
> the Bill-Bashers to present some (just a few) facts and reasons. None so far!
Hmm, another good tactic. When presented with a fact, deny that it is a fact. ANd telling anyone
to shut up is very nearly the same as admitting that you have nothing useful to say. But just for
your edification, here is a fact for you.
William Jefferson Clinton, when serving as President of the United States, did knowingly and
deliberately lie to a grand jury investigation. This is a felony. And ordinary person, such as
you or I, would be in jail for this act.
The same Bill Clinton also lied repeatedly and unnecessarily to the American public. This is a
breach of faith with the electorate and brought disrespect and shame to the office of the
presidency.
These are two facts that cannot be disputed. You can deny them and decry them, but they stand as
the truth.
> Somewhat agreed. There are a number of problems with our current system and voters short
> memories is one of them.
The lack of term limits is another.
> > The difference is, to lie
> > under oath to a grand jury is a felony.
>
> Then how come Bill Gates didn't go to jail?
You have already answered that. Money and power. It would be very naive to assume the law is the
same for everyone regardless of wealth and social station.
> How about John Glenn (who for the most part I
> respect and admire... how the heck he got into the Keating mess I don't know)?
Because Keating was another person of wealth and power. I also do not recall John Glenn committing
perjury in front of a grand jury.
> The fact is that
> Bill lied about a blowjob, and frankly that's just not that important except between him and
> Hillary.
Wrong! He lied under oath to a grand jury and nothing you or anyone else can say will change the
fact that it was a felony and he should have been removed from office and sent to jail.
> > Then to tell lies that insult our intelligence
> > (most of us anyway) makes it even worse. "I was instrumental in creating the Internet",
> > for example.
>
> Well, you can believe what you want. However you seem to have swallowed a lot of the lies,
> near-truths, and illogic propounded by the conservative media... the same ones who scream so
> loud about the "liberal biased media" which is a joke. However I suppose it is better than the
> blatant racism and bigotry that used to commonly spout from the same sources. Jim, does the
> phrase "Jewish-controlled media" ring any bells with you?
What lies? Are you telling me that Gore did NOT say that? What near truths or illogic?
Beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, do not alter facts.
"Jewish-controlled media" and "blatant racism and bigotry"? Now are you playing the racism card?
This is a typical liberal ploy, smear the opposition when you have nothing positive to say.
> > Blatant Billy could have simply refused to answer any questions about the entire Lewinsky
> > affair by saying, "Comments on personal conduct are unbecoming to this office and I will not
> > entertain any more questions of that nature."
>
> Well, that would have been a far better anwer, but he didn't think of it.
He had plenty of time and advisors to come up with something similar. It could have been his
policy from the beginning but lies are such a part of his "character" that nothing else would ever
occur to him.
> > The dignity of the presidency would have remained intact and he would have retained a measure
> > of my respect.
>
> I doubt it, Jim, you sound like you are very much in lockstep with the Bill-Bashers and
> probably were before he was ever elected. Do you enjoy having your thinking influenced by guys
> like Jerry Falwell? Did you notice how the real mouthpiece of the Retardican plutocrat
> fascists, Dr. Arm(tm) has nothing to contribute to this thread now that the discussion does not
> invove heavy breathing and name calling?
The only reason I am still participating is because you have been a gentleman and not a raving
lunatic like some other (unnamed) persons here.
I am probably one of Jerry Falwell's worst enemies and consider him to be as big a threat to this
country as Bill Clinton. I was once told that, if I were in a room full of Republicans, Democrats,
and Libertarians, I would vary soon have all of them mad at me. I am not in "lockstep" with
anyone. My thinking is certainly not influenced by anyone in the Falwell camp or of their
persuasion.
> Only in your mind. I don't think Americans are a laughingstock anywhere for any reason that
> pertain to Blowjob Billy. However there are lots of folks from other countries who are right
> here listening. How about it, Per? Oz?
Only in the comments of those I have spoken to when I am out of the country. In the past year, I
have been in several and corresponded with people in others. it has been pretty much the same.
This president has lost the respect of much of the world. He has taken the country with him.
> Enough, I have important sailing to do and a very pesky packing gland to attend.
>
> Good luck, that can be a real PITA.
I finally got it fixed this morning. All it took was one assistant, two large wrenches, a lot of
penetrating oil, and copious quantities of elbow grease. Plus some time practicing "boat yoga" but
no more drips while at the dock.
> It is far too cold here to do anything to or with the boat and that is one reason why I am
> posting this. Enough is right! On to better things.
I am ending my participation in this thread with a quote from Sir Winston Churchill, "If you are
not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at forty, you have no
head."
Fair winds and following tides,
Jim Smith
Joe S. Butcher
tas...@webtv.net (Thomas Stewart) wrote:
> Hey Joe,
>
> You're new to the group so I guess I need to tell you. I've spent 38
yrs
> working in the Oil industry ( Arco ) I'm not a screaming liberal or a
> myoptic righty.
Did you work offshore or on the dirt?
> I got the response I thought I would get but from the wrong people.
The
> Crapton has been waving Georgie's Banner. Thought I'd " Chad" his
hide a
> little.
Crapton Neil is fun to chap. I grew up here in Texas and know all
about beady eyed bush, It a shame the only real man, John McCain did
not have the money to spend that the losers had.
Joe. me thinks, by looking over the replies, I may have hit a
> Righty Hot Button.
Offshore oil production has always been a hot button to many. If done
right its great, if not it's a nightmare.
>
> So to all you Bushwhackers, and your replies -------I'll Drink to That
>
> Ole Thom
>
>
Cheers
Joe S Butcher
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> Off-shore drilling is temporary while
> hotels on the beach are permanent.
It's a good thing Hurriccanes occasionally wash the beaches clean :)
--
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"Don't take yourself so seriously.
Life and the sea will take care of that, if given a chance."
Respectfully Perre
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Thomas Stewart
I worked on the "Dirt" Started in Phila. old Atlantic Refinery. You may
have remembered the Atlantic Plant at Port Arthur. I moved to
Washington's ARCO refinery in 1970, until retirement
Part 2; You're right about John McCann.
Thomas Stewart
John McCann; During WW2 I was An Admiral's Orderly for his Father, who
was a Two Star, in charge of The US Submarine Service in the Pacific.
I knew John as a pre-teenager. His father made it to Five Star,
Commandor of the Pacific Fleet. He was a really dedicated, honest man
and I have no doutd`s that John is'nt any different. I'm very sorry I
didnt get a chance to vote for him
Ole Thom'
P/S I was Superviser of Instumentation and Electrical/Power for the Arco
Cherry Point Refinery here in Washington State
I knew of the bush and the Lady bird fleet.
Joe S. Butcher
Being in the navy and oilfield during WW2 perhaps you have herd of my
grandfather Orville R. Stanford. He was working on Ceba(Philippines)
drilling oil wells for the FarEast Oil Co. in June of 1941. When the
war broke out he signed up in the Engineers Corp of the 83rd Infantry
as a first lieutenant. In May of 42 he was captured by the Japs in
Leyte and marched in the battan death march. He was held POW for 3
years and 3 months at Shinagowa. He was senior officer in charge of 150
prisioners. After the war he went to Toyko for the war trials and
testified against some of the japs that beat him and fellow prisioners
with steel fire tongs over some stolen rice, that later they found was
stolen by cilvian jap workers. The jap guards where kissing his feet
and begging for forgivness, they hung by the neck till death the bunch
of em. He is mentioned by name in JFK's PT 109 book. He later received
the presidential citation with two oak clusters.
Best Regards,
Joe Stanford Butcher
Joe S. Butcher
- P.S Did you ever meet Bull Hausey? I dated his granddauther Janet
Hausey during Navy Bootcamp in Orlando. Bet you never did anything like
that during bootcamp.
Best Regards,
Joe S. Butcher