Lifeboat Navigation
Popeye
so well founded as to be unsinkable, consider the following situation.
You are on a cruise and the ship sinks. You are aboard one of the
lifeboats and must depend on your skills to navigate to land. A fat
woman has sit on the only compass, crushing it. The only sextant, a
lifeboat model, has been handled by Mooron so now its only function is
as a rafter decoration in some sea side bar. After tossing Mooron
overboard (and he has stolen the only timepiece) how would you set
about determining your position and where to go? You can make crude
instruments out of what you may find on board. Ingenuity counts most.
aha ha ha ha!
Popeye the real sailor man
HLAviation
>so well founded as to be unsinkable, consider the following situation.
>You are on a cruise and the ship sinks.
You do nothing. It's not your job and you'll be fed to the sharks when you
interfere. You just sit there. The ships crew had pushed the button on GMDSS
before it went down and there is an EPIRB and a SART aboard. Someone will find
you.
http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
stephen.sumner
that if we where separated from the group some how, we should STOP and WAIT
for someone to come back and find you.
Liferaft which are also found on ship do not really have much of a means of
propulsion so navigation would be only really any good for passing the time.
HLAviation <hlavi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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JAXAshby
JAXAshby
movement, you can't navigate.
d parker
Passenger ships particularly.
DP
"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Capt. Mooron
navigation. Water and medical would take the forefront with rescue
secondary. They would have to sedate and bind securely the idiot
Popeye...dancing his jig of "I'm the Captain and you'll do as I say"
Only an complete incompetent like Popeye would attempt to 'navigate' to
shore under oars without sufficient water or supplies. Only a total buffoon
like Popeye with a limited enough knowledge of the sea to make him a danger
to himself and everyone out there would not comprehend that his chances
survival would be greater by staying within the area of the disaster.
That's the problem with inexperienced keyboard captains.... they propose
ridiculous circumstances with no sense of reality and disguise their
ignorance by veiling the preposterous as an intelligent question. It's only
when they have posted the query that they are enlightened rudely as to their
ignorance of reality. As someone said... "do not mince words to spare the
thin skinned and ignorant".... it's funny how words can turn on you at
times. I think that makes a 'hat trick' of idiotic questions... one might
expect from a rank newbie... or a poser... to arrive from this more than
laughable cartoon of a 'Sailor Man'!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"Popeye" <capt_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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R Burns
to watch, preparing to signal any approaching aircraft or ships. If I was
200 miles from Hawaii, I would want to know which direction. And, if the
wind is right, maybe put up a makeshift sail.
Randy
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Popeye
mentioned in this gedanken experiment - the lifeboat is one mile from
shore! With that in mind, everything you have said doesn't apply! You
have not considered every possibility - how can you call yourself a
sailor? You'll sail in brown water for the rest of your life, moored
to the sulphurous stench of rotting bay grass. PUTZ!!! aha ha ah aah
ha ha ha ha aha!
Popeye, the truest bluest water sailor of them all with a highly
modified blue water cruiser and experience to match.
BTW You have a hat trick of responses (agitated ones no less) to my
questions! You are in the lead of the parade! hah aha ha ha ah ha!
"Capt. Mooron" <moo...@svoverproof.nt> wrote in message news:<k%vF7.15$eD3....@sapphire.mtt.net>...
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
JAXAshby
>to watch, preparing to signal any approaching aircraft or ships. If I was
>200 miles from Hawaii, I would want to know which direction.
That's not navigation, but rather determining one's position.
>... And, if the
>wind is right, maybe put up a makeshift sail.
That's navigating.
JAXAshby
btw, you can't navigate a liferaft.
Gerard Weatherby
>Quite a bit of wind here Mooron. There's one thing I forgot to
>mentioned in this gedanken experiment - the lifeboat is one mile from
>shore!
Then get out and walk to shore. (He also forget to mention the water depth is 6"
and the tide is on it's way out...)
ger...@catsmeow.org
S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org
katy
>shore!
Most people could swim that....especially if they had a pfd on....
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Gerard Weatherby
>the lifeboat is one mile from
>>shore!
>
>Most people could swim that....especially if they had a pfd on....
Harder than you think. Had to swim a couple hundred yards in a US Navy "kapok"
PFD (bulky full body life jacket with leg straps). I think if you had any sort
of opposing current you'd be in trouble.
Capt. Mooron
sailor' title.... you meant the tidy bowl blue! I understand now what you
consider blue water and I will utilize a more patient approach.
Your blue water is really coastal.... well even coastal would involve
further distances than you are familiar with.
I'm certain even Bobsprit has ventured further from the dock than you. Then
again maybe not! ;-)
You wouldn't have had to toss me from the lifeboat.... I would have swum to
shore without the slightest hesitation.
Faced with the choice of remaining onboard with a delusional idiot...running
about with a watch and a home made sextant trying to take shots for
reference before trying to get everyone on board to stop laughing and row...
I have no doubt anyone would else would have swam to shore to watch the
festivities from the bar.
... and that last rant about brown water????? I sail out of Halifax, just
north east of the home port of the Bluenose II. What brown water would you
be referring to? Or is it that Blue and Brown are the only water colors you
are familiar with?
katy
I have swum a mile...in lifejacket and without...I prefer without....with a
lifejacket on, your best bet is set your back to the direction you want to go
in and scull yourself along.....
Capt. Mooron
Nova Scotia.
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S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"Gerard Weatherby" <ger...@catsmeow.org> wrote in message
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Capt. Mooron
chart.... knowing your lat & lon is only effective to forward your position
on a non existent radio.
Being adrift 200 miles off Hawaii... your primary consideration is survival,
your secondary consideration is rescue.... and your final consideration is
to make way to landfall. In that order.... without question!
Although it's fine in theoretical parrying to entertain making way with a
jury rigged sail..... practically speaking... it is a waste of energy and
time. Currents and wind will determine your direction from either a rowable
life boat or a life raft.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz
The standard procedure is not to move any more than necessary
to stay afloat... lots of heat loss moving around, which shortens
survival time.
In article <craeut01kf88e4j4j...@4ax.com>,
Gerard Weatherby <ger...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>On 05 Nov 2001 23:00:04 GMT, katy...@aol.combingbox (katy) wrote:
>
>>the lifeboat is one mile from
>>>shore!
>>
>>Most people could swim that....especially if they had a pfd on....
>
>Harder than you think. Had to swim a couple hundred yards in a US Navy "kapok"
>PFD (bulky full body life jacket with leg straps). I think if you had any sort
>of opposing current you'd be in trouble.
Jonathan
--
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http://www.sailnow.com (Sailing on the San Francisco Bay)
http://www.putzsail.com (home of the putz-enabled)
Capt. Mooron
"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
> do they have oars or sails? Then they can navigate. If not, then not.
Yes let's forget the requirement for water .... nobody needs to drink when
working hard and sweating.
Oh ...food.... well... nobody eats till we get to Hawaii!
200 miles from Hawaii was the last comment?
At 3 kts.... rowing in 2 shifts for 24 hrs.... on course because you have a
chart, sextant, compass ... it's still going to take 3 days of nonstop
rowing in calm water to get there.... oops we forgot the waves and
current......
HLAviation
>Nova Scotia.
Yeah, but how many days is it before you dick peeks out again?
http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
Capt. Mooron
"HLAviation" <hlavi...@aol.com> wrote in message > Yeah, but how many days
is it before you dick peeks out again?
I use it fully extended for drag.... otherwise I would exceed my reccomended
hull speed! ;-)
claude
<20011105063541...@mb-fg.aol.com>:
>the word "navigation" implies controlled movement. If you can't control
>your movement, you can't navigate.
By God, man! If you can't control your movement in a crowded life boat,
you're all going to be in deep ka-ka.
claude
claude
<20011105155334...@mb-fi.aol.com>:
> If I was 200 miles from Hawaii, I would want to know which
>>direction.
>
>That's not navigation, but rather determining one's position.
>
READ, Jax. Read! The original posters question was " how would you set
about determining your position and where to go?" The man answered the
question.
>>... And, if the
>>wind is right, maybe put up a makeshift sail.
>
>That's navigating.
No, Jax. Putting up a sail is not navigating. It's sailing.
Did you give your Lithium tabs to the dog again?
claude
>
claude
>I can easily swim 2 miles without a PFD and no wetsuit in the waters off
>Nova Scotia.
So I heard. I also heard her husband is looking for you.
claude
stephen.sumner
Capt. Mooron <moo...@svoverproof.nt> wrote in message
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stephen.sumner
katy
survival time.
Better to die doing than to die sitting and thinking.....
Per Elmsäter
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You couldn't have said it better myself.
--
--------------------------------------------------------
"Don't take yourself so seriously.
Life and the sea will take care of that, if given a chance."
Respectfully Perre
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Capt. Mooron
worth without bias to the poster and realized that I am usually quite
correct... unlike you stephen.... I speak from experience not postulation.
The fact you concur only proves that you might have some faint hope of
reaching the pinnacle of global experience that I have attained. I will take
mention of the typo in your response.... in which I am certain you meant
to say 'As usual you have said something that is completely correct'.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
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Capt. Mooron
liferaft with ballast bags? Those 'paddles' are useless except to move the
raft a little closer to an object you wish to retrieve. You cannot 'make
way' with them.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"stephen.sumner" <stephen...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
Capt. Mooron
man.... great to have an escape route!
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S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
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Capt. Mooron
your position and knowing your current lat/lon are two pieces of information
that require a ....chart.... to make them effective. I would sooner have a
chart than a compass. Think about it. You can derive aprox. coordinates and
direction with little more than your fingers and the sun.... but with out
knowing where you are in relation to that information.... you only know that
you are lost.
This makes a fine case for a waterproof gps with a list of city locations
built in. At least you have direction and distance.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"claude" <cla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
JAXAshby
>Nova Scotia.
>--
>Capt. Mooron
Isn't the water in that area in the low 50's? And you -- fine swimmer that you
are, capt moron --spend four hours in the water doing it?
Four hours in water in the low 50's can begin to be a medical problem, moron.
did you know that? Before you posted?
JAXAshby
Jeff Morris
a strong swimmer should be able to do two miles in an hour or so, perhaps a
bit more with the centerboard down.
-jeff
"The sport the requires the least effort" Albert Einstein on Sailing
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Martin Baxter
>
>
> Four hours in water in the low 50's can begin to be a medical problem, moron.
> did you know that? Before you posted?
Jax, I've heard it suggested that those folks from down east
are pretty slow, (only as quick as three average New Yorkers
combined), but 2 miles in 4 hours?
Perhaps you still swim with weapon and full combat
gear?
Cheers
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"Jeff Morris" <je...@noSPAMsv-loki.com> wrote in message
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> Halifax surface temp gets up to 60 degrees - a bit cooler than Boston.
And
> a strong swimmer should be able to do two miles in an hour or so, perhaps
a
> bit more with the centerboard down.
Clever dick, huh!
Regards
Donal
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JAXAshby
match the conditions moron was claiming for a mile offshore.
Capt. Mooron
steady unimpeded stroke.
2 hours and 30 minutes max Jax. Have you ever wondered how swimmers managed
to cross the English Channel?.... the Great Lakes? They swim for 30 hours!
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
JAXAshby
>
>>
>>
>> Four hours in water in the low 50's can begin to be a medical problem,
>moron.
>> did you know that? Before you posted?
>
>Jax, I've heard it suggested that those folks from down east
>are pretty slow, (only as quick as three average New Yorkers
>combined), but 2 miles in 4 hours?
>
>Perhaps you still swim with weapon and full combat
>gear?
Naw, I was talking about capt moron making 2 miles in four hours.
Actually, making 2 miles in an hour and a half in those low 50's water would be
rather tough for all but the very finest of swimmers.
capt moron spoke before he thought. Again.
Capt. Mooron
This is averaged with rest breaks. I can easily attain twice that speed.....
though not with the 'board down'... ;-)
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
"Martin Baxter" <baxt...@rmc.ca> wrote in message
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Capt. Mooron
distance records without a break.
I swim from/to my boat on the mooring daily in the summer. It's at least 300
yds and I'm not winded at full throttle. That's the difference between us
Jax.... you are out of shape and incapable of imagining any physical feat
other than dialing out for pizza.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
Capt. Mooron
Jax.
Ever heard of thermoclines??? Didn't think so!
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
Martin Baxter
> Four hours to swim 2 miles.... maybe dragging a body. Certainly not with a
> steady unimpeded stroke.
> 2 hours and 30 minutes max Jax. Have you ever wondered how swimmers managed
> to cross the English Channel?.... the Great Lakes? They swim for 30 hours!
> --
>
Jax and Mooron:
Some crossing times for Lake Ontario, distance 51 Kms, (approx 28 nm.):
Vicky Kieth (1989) 31 hrs, sounds like a lot untill you realize she did the
butterfly the whowe way!
Cindy Nicholas (1974) 15:10, not bad BTW, she was only 16 at the time!
Ms. Kieth is from my home town, Kingston and seems to swim things like
Lake Ontario and the English Channel on a regular basis to raise money
for childrens causes (Katy: she swam your "sea" in 1988, 45 miles in 52 hours)
jlrogers
for an hour.
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jlrogers
the door.
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pony express
pizza.
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Steve & Suzanne
S/V Pony Express
Express 30
www.express-sailing.com/owners
"jlrogers" <ar...@fartsy.com> wrote in message
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Martin Baxter
> It would take a real sailor to keep his centerboard extended in 60 degree water
> for an hour.
>
>
Hmmn.......any jelly fish in them thar waters?
Youch!
JAXAshby
>steady unimpeded stroke.
>2 hours and 30 minutes max Jax.
irony doesn't slip right on by you, doesn't it moron?
>...Have you ever wondered how swimmers managed
>to cross the English Channel?.... the Great Lakes? They swim for 30 hours!
>--
>Capt. Mooron
moron, no one here is in any position to think that you can even swim, let
alone do it well and for a period of time.
For sure, ain't no bodies gonna think *you* cana swuma two miles, let alones
swums it ins a couple hours.
JAXAshby
(3)well-conditioned (4)swimmer can swim as you indicated. I also think that
nobody but nobody thinks that capt moron is anyone one of the four, let alone
all four.
JAXAshby
>Jax.... you are out of shape and incapable of imagining any physical feat
>other than dialing out for pizza.
>--
>Capt. Mooron
One difference for sure, moron, is that I have never in my life "dialed out for
pizza", or any other food for that matter.
JAXAshby
>pizza.
>--
>
>
>Steve
Tweedle's, I've done various things to make money in my life, particularly when
I was young, but at no point did I ever do any job that paid so little as
answer the phones at a pizza place or sell cement for pads for used mobile
home.
jlrogers
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HLAviation
>alone do it well and for a period of time.
I don't know, from his pics he looks to be in pretty good shape. Swimming 2
miles isn't that great of a feat, especially when you consider the 50+ year old
guy who trained up for the NY Marathon from nothing in 3 weeks and finished it
in 5+ hrs.
http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
JAXAshby
out.
jlrogers
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JAXAshby
JAXAshby
>Jax.
>Ever heard of thermoclines??? Didn't think so!
>--
>Capt. Mooron
"thermocline", eh? Yeah, that's it. Thermocline.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Jeff Morris
down a bit. Now THAT would retract your centerboard in a hurry!
-jeff
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-jeff
"The sport the requires the least effort" Albert Einstein on Sailing
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HLAviation
>
Hence your picture lounging on your couch in speedos with your gut hanging over
them.
http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
JAXAshby
well not entirely accurate. moron was talking about "navigating" a liferaft,
something that can't done, for you have no control over where a liferaft goes.
>Capt. Mooron <moo...@svoverproof.nt> wrote in message
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>> Jax... what every one here seems to have left out is that without a
>> chart.... knowing your lat & lon is only effective to forward your
>position
>> on a non existent radio.
>>
>> Being adrift 200 miles off Hawaii... your primary consideration is
>survival,
>> your secondary consideration is rescue.... and your final consideration is
>> to make way to landfall. In that order.... without question!
>>
>> Although it's fine in theoretical parrying to entertain making way with a
>> jury rigged sail..... practically speaking... it is a waste of energy and
>> time. Currents and wind will determine your direction from either a
>rowable
>> life boat or a life raft.
>> --
>> Capt. Mooron
>> S.V. Overproof
>> "Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
>> "JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20011105155334...@mb-fi.aol.com...
>> > >I think you would only "navigate" to the extent of determining which
>> horizon
>> > >to watch, preparing to signal any approaching aircraft or ships. If I
>> was
>> > >200 miles from Hawaii, I would want to know which direction.
>> >
>> > That's not navigation, but rather determining one's position.
>> >
>> > >... And, if the
>> > >wind is right, maybe put up a makeshift sail.
>> >
>> > That's navigating.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Randy
>> > >
>> > >"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:20011105063541...@mb-fg.aol.com...
>> > >> the word "navigation" implies controlled movement. If you can't
>> control
>> > >your
>> > >> movement, you can't navigate.
>> > >>
>> > >> >I believe that is true, when I used to do expeditions we where
>always
>> told
>> > >> >that if we where separated from the group some how, we should STOP
>and
>> > >WAIT
>> > >> >for someone to come back and find you.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Liferaft which are also found on ship do not really have much of a
>> means
>> > >of
>> > >> >propulsion so navigation would be only really any good for passing
>the
>> > >time.
>> > >> >HLAviation <hlavi...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > >> >news:20011104233157...@mb-cs.aol.com...
>> > >> >> >Because you are not blue water cruisers and because your boats
>are
>> not
>> > >> >> >so well founded as to be unsinkable, consider the following
>> situation.
>> > >> >> >You are on a cruise and the ship sinks.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> You do nothing. It's not your job and you'll be fed to the sharks
>> when
>> > >> >you
>> > >> >> interfere. You just sit there. The ships crew had pushed the
>> button on
>> > >> >GMDSS
>> > >> >> before it went down and there is an EPIRB and a SART aboard.
>> Someone
>> > >will
>> > >> >find
>> > >> >> you.
>> > >> >> http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
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JAXAshby
Think about it for a bit and you'll understand.
>jaxa...@aol.com (JAXAshby) wrote in
><20011105155334...@mb-fi.aol.com>:
>
>> If I was 200 miles from Hawaii, I would want to know which
>>>direction.
>>
>>That's not navigation, but rather determining one's position.
>>
>READ, Jax. Read! The original posters question was " how would you set
>about determining your position and where to go?" The man answered the
>question.
>
>
>>>... And, if the
>>>wind is right, maybe put up a makeshift sail.
>>
>>That's navigating.
>
>No, Jax. Putting up a sail is not navigating. It's sailing.
>
>Did you give your Lithium tabs to the dog again?
>
>claude
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
JAXAshby
>Okay Claude.... a lot of posters fell through the gap on that one. Knowing
>your position and knowing your current lat/lon are two pieces of information
>that require a ....chart.... to make them effective.
hey, ah, moron? Do you suppose that *most* people (agreed probably not you)
would have a good idea of "where they are" if their sailboat sank and they had
to step up into the liferaft?
>...I would sooner have a
>chart than a compass. Think about it. You can derive aprox. coordinates and
>direction with little more than your fingers and the sun.... but with out
>knowing where you are in relation to that information.... you only know that
>you are lost.
Yup, *you* are lost.
>This makes a fine case for a waterproof gps with a list of city locations
>built in. At least you have direction and distance.
CITY locations? You need to know "CITY" locations to have guess just where
your sailboat sank?
Geesh.
>--
>Capt. Mooron
>S.V. Overproof
>"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
>"claude" <cla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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JAXAshby
about?
>"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
>> do they have oars or sails? Then they can navigate. If not, then not.
>
>Yes let's forget the requirement for water .... nobody needs to drink when
>working hard and sweating.
>Oh ...food.... well... nobody eats till we get to Hawaii!
>200 miles from Hawaii was the last comment?
>At 3 kts.... rowing in 2 shifts for 24 hrs.... on course because you have a
>chart, sextant, compass ... it's still going to take 3 days of nonstop
>rowing in calm water to get there.... oops we forgot the waves and
>current......
jlrogers
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> http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/
JAXAshby
then you can "navigate" should you *also* have a means to identify where you
are.
>JAXAshby <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> do they have oars or sails? Then they can navigate. If not, then not.
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>> btw, you can't navigate a liferaft.
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>> >Have you seen the amount of lifeboats on ships that "Do" have engines?
>> >Passenger ships particularly.
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>> >"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >> unless your lifeboat has a sail or oars or motor, you can't navigate.
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>> >> >Because you are not blue water cruisers and because your boats are not
>> >> >so well founded as to be unsinkable, consider the following situation.
>> >> >You are on a cruise and the ship sinks. You are aboard one of the
>> >> >lifeboats and must depend on your skills to navigate to land. A fat
>> >> >woman has sit on the only compass, crushing it. The only sextant, a
>> >> >lifeboat model, has been handled by Mooron so now its only function is
>> >> >as a rafter decoration in some sea side bar. After tossing Mooron
>> >> >overboard (and he has stolen the only timepiece) how would you set
>> >> >about determining your position and where to go? You can make crude
>> >> >instruments out of what you may find on board. Ingenuity counts most.
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JAXAshby
H-Lax, sorry to disappoint you (you're always disappointed it seems in your
lovelife because you seem attracted to straight men. Perhaps you don't like
yourself for you preference?), but the couch was not mine. It was the couch of
the woman behind the camera.
JAXAshby
a man -- edits:
>jaxa...@aol.com (JAXAshby) wrote:
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>>>Hence your picture lounging on your couch
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>>but the couch was not mine. It was the couch of
>>the woman behind the camera,
[[oxzy's editing start]] a paid professional I might add [[oxzy's editing
ending]]
sic 'im, kates. sic 'im.
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Donal
> "thermocline", eh? Yeah, that's it. Thermocline.
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> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
>
Well done, Jax. Get it off your chest! I bet that you feel much better
now.
Regards
Donal
--
"fricken nuts" and "liar"
Scott Vernon
JAXAshby eludes to the fact that last year he broke down and bought a
pushbutton phone ...
>I have never in my life "dialed'' out for
>pizza, or any other food for that matter.
Scott Vernon
Capt. Mooron wrote............
>
>I use it fully extended for drag
Scott Vernon
stephen.sumner wrote ...
katy
I can attest that I do not know, have never known, and will enver know
him....let alone pay for whatever....
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
katy
to cross the English Channel?.... the Great Lakes?
Lots of vaseline....
Seahag
"katy" <katy...@aol.combingbox> wrote:
> Have you ever wondered how swimmers managed
> to cross the English Channel?.... the Great Lakes?
>
> Lots of vaseline....
I thought it was lard.
Seahag
katy
grease is as grease does...
Martin Baxter
> hey, Marts,
hey Jax, why do you have a penchant for pluralizing
peoples names and altering their spelling? It is at best
an annoying puerile habit, at worst derogatory and rude.
Why does a big tough, ex-marine, (alleged) find it
necessary to post under a pseudonym, are you afraid
that someone might find out who you really are?
Any newspaper editor worth his salt won't publish
an anonymous letter, they figure that if the sender
doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand behind
their opinions, said opinions are most likely not worth
the paper they're printed on.
Cheers
Marty, proudly posting with his real name
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"Scott Vernon" <sbve...@netzero.net> wrote in
> I'm a queen like Booby!
Scott...I don't think Bob needs the competition! ;-)
JAXAshby
JAXAshby
misfortune to have a couple make their presence known to me.
btw, I use just one screen name on any and all sailing sites.
btw-2, I pluralize the names of buffoonish idiots.
Martin Baxter
> marts, there are some very sick puppies out there in cyberland. I've had the
> misfortune to have a couple make their presence known to me.
I'll wager I've been posting to usenet longer than you, I've never had a problem,
did you ever think it might just be your sweet and pleasant disposition?
Cheers
Marty (Now not only a putz, but a buffoon too!)
JAXAshby
>
>> marts, there are some very sick puppies out there in cyberland. I've had
>the
>> misfortune to have a couple make their presence known to me.
>
>I'll wager I've been posting to usenet longer than you, I've never had a
>problem,
>
>did you ever think it might just be your sweet and pleasant disposition?
marts, you're a Canandian -- and a rural one to boot -- who owns and carries
serious weaponry. I live in a (mostly) civilized city, and haven't carried a
weapon in a long time. I tend to avoid the really sick puppies; you tend to
pull a large bore rifle.
Different strokes for different folks. But then I've killed people (and don't
wish to do it again) and you haven't.
Martin Baxter
> >JAXAshby wrote:
> >
> But then I've killed people (and don't
> wish to do it again) and you haven't.
>
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Maybe Donal is right, you come to conclusions
without any facts to base them on, just like Bobspit.
Why would anyone want to sail in a place where there
are so many boats?
Cheers
Marty
Thomas Stewart
Here in the Northwest, the water Temp. is about 54 Deg year round. We
teach our kids to think of the water as a pool of acid. It is a common
accepted belief that 45 minutes is the survival time before hyperthermia
set in on most people. After that it is a toss-up on who makes it and
who doesn't
I've never seen a wind surfer without a full wetsuit. Never! Winter or
summer!
Ole Thom
Capt. Mooron
> btw-2, I pluralize the names of buffoonish idiots.
Including his own name? Isn't the singular of JAXAshby....Jackass?
In Jaxies little world everyone is a buffoon (unless he is attracted to
you... like he is with Booby).... it's the first sign of dementia.
Capt. Mooron
I swam in Great Slave Lake.... Yellowknife, NWT.
I would dare to say it's a lot colder there than where you live. I have also
swam in the Beaufort Sea in pack ice. Duration in cold water is effected by
many factors. Body fat, physical fitness, current...etc. There are
documented cases of people clinging to overturned boats in 10c water for
over ten hours.
Blood thickness due to exposure to a cold climate has a lot to do with
retaining body heat. The worst scenario is a warm land climate with a cold
water body.
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
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Scott Vernon
Scotty
Capt. Mooron wrote ...
Capt. Mooron
Can I join the gang now?
( I could'a handled sumner earlier for ya...)
--
Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
"Treat your Crew with Disdain.... and other Vessels with Distaste"
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Thomas Stewart
I'm ashamed of you. Even without a compass or a watch or a sextant or
GPS Even on a Liferaft, there is a change in location. Off of Hawaii,
the Trades would be a force, to the south, which would give a westerly
set. If you were north far enough the Jap. current would give you an
easterly set. I would want to know what my drift was.
As far as the chart goes, my God guys, we should be aware that the earth
is divided into Lat, & Long. We aren't trying to make a harbor
destination. On a liferaft, we should be looking for a possible landfall
or shipping lanes. Anybody who has ever made a fix, should have a pretty
good idea of where the hell in the world they are with any Lat/Long
knowledge. Just off hand, I know Hawaii Islands is around 20 and 30 Deg
and it is east of the international dateline, so it is probably around
170 Deg Long.
The Sun rises in the East and sets in the West. How about that! It
creates a shadow. In the Northern Hemi. the shadow is northerly At Noon
it is the shortest and points to true north. We now have a noon time
local for our location. A close fist at arms length equals 15 Deg. Since
it is 47 days since the Sun was at the Equator and we are in the Fall
season, and as every BLUE WATER sailor know, the Sun appears to be one
degree farther south every three days. Then 47/3=15 2/3 degrees south of
the Equator. If we add this to the Sun elevation at noon gotten by our
fist between the horizon and the Sun, we have our Lat position.
Now for our Long without a watch. If you go outside tonight and look at
the relationship of the Big Dipper to the North Star and realize that it
rotates around the North Star, creating a twenty-four hour clock. Now
take your local time and calculate back to Greenwich, can figure the
position of the big dipper at Mid night Greenwich time. In southern Hemi
you do the same with the Southern Cross. You figure the position of the
body of the Cross as the hour hand.
Now that give you the time during the night and we know noon by the
shadow and Max elevation of the Sun, Now, any sailor know that the earth
turns one Rev every day, 360 deg. Therefore 360/24=15. One an a half
fist per hour. Now, you should be able to time Sun-set. The time between
noon and sunset will be just about the same as sunrise to noon. There my
friends, as all BLUE WATER sailors know is you timing device. Also your
method of finding Longitude
Ole Thom's Fo'cl Navigation class
jlrogers
"Thomas Stewart" <tas...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Scott Vernon
spelling error. How long did it take you to read the whole post, 4,5,6,10
minutes?
Your words Dork;
''kates, mouth-readers are easy to spot. They are the ones who spend 4 or 5
or 6
or 10 minutes reading just a single page. They also tell you very clearly
when
they tell you that *they* can spell well.''
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa. _/)__/)__/)_
JAXAshby (internet spelling FAIRY) wrote ...
JAXAshby
>
>> >JAXAshby wrote:
>> >
>> But then I've killed people (and don't
>> wish to do it again) and you haven't.
>>
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>
>Maybe Donal is right, you come to conclusions
>without any facts to base them on, just like Bobspit.
>
>Why would anyone want to sail in a place where there
>are so many boats?
LIS is some of the finest sailing waters in the world, and LIS is not exactly a
ten acre lake, marts.
Douglas King
> Thomas.... what do you consider Northwest?
> I swam in Great Slave Lake.... Yellowknife, NWT.
> I would dare to say it's a lot colder there than where you live. I have also
> swam in the Beaufort Sea in pack ice. Duration in cold water is effected by
> many factors. Body fat, physical fitness, current...etc. There are
> documented cases of people clinging to overturned boats in 10c water for
> over ten hours.
Yep.
There are also documented cases of people suffering cardiac arrest *immediately*
on immersion in ~40 degree water.
A few years ago I helped pull a young man out of knee deep water when he slipped
getting off his jetski near the shore.... which was a slick clay bank. If I and
a couple of his friends were not standing there he would have died. This was in
water in perhaps the upper 30s. I found out from one of his friends that he was
a soccer star at UNC, so I doubt lack of physical fitness was his problem.
I don't think fitness has much to do with resistance to hypothermia. Body fat,
overall constitution, and sheer willpower has a lot to do with it. AFAIK the
definitive hypothermia studies were done in Germany in the late 1930s. Not too
many other scientists have had a chance to test the human body to destruction.
It is a bell curve, like much else in nature. IIRC the survival rate for 20+
minutes in freezing water is about 5%.
BTW hypothermia is a big problem for people in liferafts. The better liferafts
not only have large ballast chambers, but also insulated floors or floor
chambers.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
JAXAshby
common people you know (including old farts trying to scare the bejabbers out
of little kids), but the medical people know otherwise.
JAXAshby
>the relationship of the Big Dipper to the North Star and realize that it
>rotates around the North Star, creating a twenty-four hour clock. Now
>take your local time and calculate back to Greenwich,
The Big Dipper precesses by about 1 degree per day, so you have to know which
day it now is since the last day in which the point stars were vertical (or
horizontal or whatever). This info is published, though I don't know I ever
met anyone who had it.
you certainly are right, though, you don't need a lot of sophicated equipment
to know where you are (assuming you have a clear sky).
JAXAshby
>Jax, were you 'MOUTH-READING' my post? You must have been to spot my
jlrogers
"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Donal
> common people you know (including old farts trying to scare the bejabbers
out
> of little kids), but the medical people know otherwise.
>
Jax, you have the perfect opportunity to *contribute* something to the ng.
Tell us what the medical people say about survival times.
You won't, will you? Because you are Robert, on a mission to stir up
activity. Because you are not a real person, you do not mind being proved
an idiot. In fact, being a complete idiot is the whole point of this
character that you have created.
So, here and now, I challenge you to produce sensible evidence that will
prove Ole Thom wrong. You will not, because the character of "JAXAshby" was
only created to be an irritant. If you answer my question, then it will be
sooo out of character that everyone will know that you felt cornered. If
you do not answer the question after all this, the you will be admitting
that you are nothing more than an irritant. No real person would want to do
that, would they?
Of course, you could choose to ignore this post. That might be your best
option, Robert.
Regards
Donal
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