Dear Group,
I have noted that on occasion some mentally challenged individual posts
a message asking for suggestions to name a particular boat. For
example:
ALAN DESROSIERS <alandes...@the-spa.com> wrote in article
<01bd5cf4$1bbba5a0$c971...@mm65910.net1.massmutl.com>... I just bought
a(sic) Ericson 32-200, I need to rename the boat. Does anyone know of
any creative names with a pastrami theme?
Now, Alan must have at least a modicum of good sense because he bought
a halfway decent boat. Yet, he still has a difficult time trying to
think of a suitable name for his vessel. So imagine the plight of the
average buyer of a MacGregor 26X. Not only does he show poor judgement
by purchasing such a pathetic excuse for a boat, he also demonstrates
an exceptional paucity of good sense, not to mention a total absense of
imagination. So, if ordinary folks like Alan need help naming their
boats, then for the borderline mentally retarded new MacGregor 26X
owner, whose major concern is that 'low monthly payment', such help is
mandatory!
I feel that with my vast experience, knowledge, ratiocination and
benignancy, I shall be the first to offer suggested names so any new
Mac26X owner can get underway without undue rumination and anguish! I
invite the rest of you learned alt.sailing.asa holes to join me and
suggest some suitable names of your own choosing.
Here is the Captain's list.
1) Founder Suitable
2) Water Logged
3) Power Hungry
4) Trailer Trash
5) Foul Play
6) Slum Galleon
7) Half-Wit Heaven
8) Rue the Day
9) Mélange
10) Recrudescense
I hope this helps!
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
--------------->
"It is my opinion that a man should not
mince words just to spare the sensibilities
of the thin-skinned or the ignorant." --- Capt. Neal
Capt. Neal wrote in message <01bd626d$48284d40$893b04d1@default>...
>
>Dear Group,
>
<snipped>
So imagine the plight of the
>average buyer of a MacGregor 26X. Not only does he show poor judgement
>by purchasing such a pathetic excuse for a boat, he also demonstrates
>an exceptional paucity of good sense, not to mention a total absense of
>imagination.
<snipped>
Gee whiz Capt. Neal, correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess a MacGregor 26X
wouldn't be your first choice for a boat. Or your second.
So, now that I just spent about 4 hours over the last two days researching
the MacGregor 26 on the web, and was beginning to think it might fit the
bill for me, I would really appreciate your comments specifically pointing
out the shortcomings of the boat and why I don't want it. Something a
little more substantial than just, "It's a cheap piece of sh*t." Same for
anyone else on the list.
I am not a moron (the tests proved that) but I don't have an anchor tatooed
on my arm either. I just want a fairly inexpensive, easy to sail, pocket
cruiser with some decent room inside. I need to be able to haul it around
and launch it fairly easily. It would never see salt water. I live in
Minnesota. But it may well spend some time cruising the coast in Superior.
It would be nice, too, if it had a place for the wife to pee. She just
can't get into hanging over the side. I know it's kind of whimpy, but I
just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money on something she can't
come along on now and then.
So, if the MacGregor is junk, please tell me exactly why, and suggest more
appropriate alternatives.
BTW, Capt. Neal; could you enlighten us a little by revealing to us just
what kind of boat the real he-man, salty-dog Capt. Neal sails?
Bill B
Landlocked on a lake
The Mac would quite possibly be an ideal boat for Lake Superior.
Like any small, trailerable boat, it is not intended for anything other
than light to moderate conditions. Just watch the weather, because
some serious storms can blow up in the Great Lakes in a matter of
an hour or so ("Edmund Fitzgerald" ring a bell?). The biggest advantage
to the Mac is it is the largest boat you can buy that can be easily
towed by a medium sized vehicle. This is due to the 1000# or so
of water ballast. If you don't intend to tow, look for a normal keelboat.
It will sail better in moderate to heavy (for a small boat) winds. The
other big advantage (to nonsailers) is the ability to pull a water-skier
or get somewhere fast. Lets not go there (I dont consider that an
advantage personally, and the good "capt" is probably frothing at the
mouth that I would dare to mention it... where is Ed when you need
him?).
If you are looking at a trailerable boat (what size car/truck do you have?),
don't let your wife compare the Mac to the other boats in your tow
weight range, because than you wont have a prayer of buying anything
else. The Mac interior (for a 2100# boat) is enormous, My boat weighs
in at 3100#, and is positively tiny by comparison (and my wife knows it).
Tim
#947 Tanzer 22 Sojourner II
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On 7 Apr 1998 21:36:37 -0800, "Capt. Neal" <ne...@terranova.net> wrote:
>
>Dear Group,
>
>I have noted that on occasion some mentally challenged individual posts
>a message asking for suggestions to name a particular boat. For
>example:
>
>ALAN DESROSIERS <alandes...@the-spa.com> wrote in article
><01bd5cf4$1bbba5a0$c971...@mm65910.net1.massmutl.com>... I just bought
>a(sic) Ericson 32-200, I need to rename the boat. Does anyone know of
>any creative names with a pastrami theme?
>
>Now, Alan must have at least a modicum of good sense because he bought
>a halfway decent boat. Yet, he still has a difficult time trying to
>think of a suitable name for his vessel. So imagine the plight of the
>average buyer of a MacGregor 26X. Not only does he show poor judgement
>by purchasing such a pathetic excuse for a boat, he also demonstrates
>an exceptional paucity of good sense, not to mention a total absense of
2cents: I don't have a problem with the MAC 26 as a boat, Just don't call it
a seaworthy SAILing Vessel.
Z
Capt. Neal wrote in message <01bd626d$48284d40$893b04d1@default>...
>
Bill B wrote in message <6gea91$j...@news2.tds.net>...
>It would be nice, too, if it had a place for the wife to pee
Thats a good reason for getting a Mac, but whats wrong with a bucket?
Mike Smith <lks9...@nospam.uk> wrote in article
<6gg5e8$710$1...@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk>...
http: //www.99main.com/~elmergw/
If he had owned a Mac26x he could have chased after the bastard and conked him
one on the head... Teach dem dar stink potter to rock the sailboats...
Wan Han Blu
"The truth shall set you free"
"You are one accident away from bankruptcy"
"So... You say... You are Potty trained and still can't sit on the toilet?"
I humbly submit the following to your list:
>Ragweed
>Capt Neal's nemesis
>Eat your heart out!
>Catch me if you can...
>Piss off
>Blasting thru
>Alt. Sailing eat shit...
Wan Han Lu
"You are one lil accident away from bankruptcy"
Have you asked your significant other that question ???? LOL
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Robert Bethune <reply.in....@please.net> wrote in article
<01bd6346$0cb9b6c0$8f68...@rbethune.dundee.net>...
> The Mac 26X has an enclosed head. Just thought you'd like to know.
You can
<snipped>
Dear Robert,
I hate to be picky but I think you used the incorrect verb. I'm sure
you meant to say the Mac26X IS an enclosed head! Just wanted to keep
things straight.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
___
Stop spreading misinformation. I sail a Lancer 27 Power Sailor. This
is the original concept boat that MacGregor tried (and failed) to copy.
My Lancer 27PS has a 140 Evinrude on the transom, with hydraulic trim
tabs. It will blow the doors off any flimsy Mac26X. My vessel tops
out at 45 mph. (It leaves pursuing law-enforcement authorities in the
dust!) Not only that, but it is a true, strongly-built, ocean-going
vessel. It has sailing virtues far beyond the pathetic Mac26X.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~
SolarFry <sola...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804092321...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Aha! "Capt. Neal" <ne...@terranova.net> sails a Lancer Powersailer with a 140HP
on the stern... The truth is revealed! A worthy vessel she is... 45mph... Good
for running down those Pesky Mac26xs.
Which of the 5 Capt Neals sails the Coronado?
Did you ever catch up with the guy in the Max26x?
Huh? What were we talking about?
Best,
Sun fried Wan Han Lu >:^)
Kids will use it as helmet. they'll get stinky hair.
Indeed, I have returned. I see Capt n Crunch is still out there bad mouthing
the mac 26. Of course he lives on a barnacle infested 1960s sloop of some sort
that would immediately sink if he loosed it from its slip. I read that he
would feel perfectly safe taking it to Europe. HA HA HA. I'd take my mac
around the horn before taking his boat across the atlantic.
The mac is a good choice of sailboat and is probably the best cruising 26 foot
boat out there in terms of safety and sailing performance. The only place
anyone talks bad about it is in this newsgroup. All the books I have read that
mention it and all the magazine articles I have read that mention it, consider
it a good boat. It is cheap because it is the only boat Macgregor manufactures
and it has no woodwork. That's it.
So Neal can go back to fishing the coral reefs that have grown on his hull and
keep is jealous and uninformed opinions to himself.
Sincerely,
Ed
EGordon873 wrote in message
<199804201336...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
>The mac is a good choice of sailboat and is probably the best cruising 26
foot
>boat out there in terms of safety and sailing performance. The only place
>anyone talks bad about it is in this newsgroup. All the books I have read
that
>mention it and all the magazine articles I have read that mention it,
consider
>it a good boat
A few quotes from Offshore Magazine as seen on
http://www.macgregor-yachts.com/offstxt.html
"With her foil-shaped centerboard pivoted down she can sail without making
much leeway, but the board weighs just 30 pounds. That hardly makes her
"self-righting." Her stability stems from her hull form (relatively hard
chines and flat-bottomed mid-sections), and from water ballast. "
Safe offshore?
"I could see worry lines around Art's (the Mac rep) eyes because this was
the kind of weather where you break things. He gave thumbs-up on the jib,
though, and with the roll of a drum we doubled our sail area. "
Not on a proper boat!
"Jamming the boat tight onto the wind didn't work well. She had neither the
reserve power nor the weight to maintain momentum through the mid-sized chop
at a tight angle to the breeze. Cracking her off an added ten to fifteen
degrees was the answer. "
ie , she sails like a dog to windward. Even a paper bag will sail downwind.
"The more she heeled the more she tugged to weather. "
Oh, dear!
"The jib (standard-sized and smaller than the optional genoa) proved a
handful to trim in this breeze, though. Every sailboat could use bigger
winches! "
ie, the winches are too small. Another example of cost cutting!
"The breeze was dying and Art was anxious to sail again under the full
mainsail. A stubby plastic cleat (no winch) on the mainmast and slippery,
skinny halyard frustrated my efforts to get full tension when I hoisted the
sail. Looking at the scallops and wrinkles along the luff I noted that there
are no slugs to hold the sail in place. That means that when you let it down
it needs to be wrestled and collected to be kept onboard. "
Cheap. cheap
"I don't expect the 26X to be overly forgiving of sailor error, or to have
the massive "strength in reserve" of its heavier counterparts. "
Be careful if you take it further than your local swimming pool.....
EGordon873 wrote in message
<199804201336...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
. I'd take my mac
>around the horn before taking his boat across the atlantic.
>
>The mac is a good choice of sailboat and is probably the best cruising 26
foot
>boat out there in terms of safety and sailing performance. The only place
>anyone talks bad about it is in this newsgroup
Oh, dear I've found another article on the dreaded mac 26X, this time on
http://amazing.freelink.net/cruising/
I quote:-
"Brands such as Bayliner and MacGregor are the bottom-feeders of our
industry, with the worst reputation for quality. However, MacGregor has some
compensating features that may still endear it to buyers. For instance, they
have a model that will effectively run as either a sailboat or a powerboat,
depending on how much of a hurry you're in. Sail along if you're in the mood
for peace, or blast away at 20 knots with a 40hp outboard if you're in a
hurry. Because it's light, it's also easy to put on a trailer and move to
more promising cruising grounds. This is all very clever stuff, but to old
salts and those that generally take the salty attitude (such as myself),
it's just not good enough. These features require a very light weight, which
was achieved by compromising ruggedness and durability.
People who have bought MacGregors report oddly varying experiences, with
many saying that it's a perfectly adequate boat for their needs. Others
found that they were caught in unexpected situations, such as a storm, that
caused some of the inferior quality fittings to break or at least stress
heavily, endangering both the craft and its passengers. Some owners
compensated for this by bolstering existing fittings with heavier ones that
they installed. With those heavier fittings, they gained (or regained)
confidence in the vessel's strength.
There have been a number of people who report highly positive experiences
with the MacGregor 65, which was designed from the start for offshore
cruising. While the 65 is certainly not going to satisfy those who love spit
and varnish boating, MacGregor 65 owners seem to be a satisfied lot. In
fact, the 65 could be thought of as a low-rent version of the Dashews' $ 2
million plus creations - it shares the long hull and narrow beam design that
they pioneered. One unique feature of the 65 is that, like its smaller
bretheren, it includes positive floatation, a great comfort in the case of a
knockdown or severe hull damage. Unfortunately, the 65s are no longer made,
but their generally good reputation lives on.
My personal bottom line is that it's tough to recommend the bottom tier of
boat quality, such as Bayliner and MacGregor. You don't save much money over
at least a middle of the road company like Hunter or Catalina, and you lose
a significant margin of safety which might mean the difference between life
and death somewhere down the road. If you're tempted by a new MacGregor,
consider a used something else. If you're tempted by a used MacGregor,
you'll find more durable alternatives for similar money. (I was surprised to
see this, but check the classifieds and you shall find).
The only situations under which I would consider a MacGregor is if you
always sailed in calm conditions, the area in which you were planning to
sail was not known for sudden storms, and you really, really loved the
motor-sail features of the boat. Even then, I feel an aesthetic pull towards
high quality, and so I'd stay away."
Trade it in quickly.....
Looks like you are back and at your old tricks again. It has been
rough without you around to keep it stirred up. I'm telling you, it
has been like pulling teeth trying to get some intelligent input from
most of the would-be or never-were sailors that hang out here. I have
done what I could but I'm afraid my obvious superiority has angered
people to the point that there is a lot of filtering going on.
Now that AOL has let you back on after your two month suspension for
all that profanity you used to spew, are you going to try to shape up a
little and carry on in a more erudite fashion like yours truly?
And you might as well give up expounding the Mac26X. There have been
numerous posts in your absence that have documented the worthlessness
of said vessel for anything other than lake sailing and getting drunk
to try to forget the humiliation of having everyone realise what an
uninformed shopper you are. It was a valient effort on my behalf but I
think I finally convinced everybody of the folly of purchasing a
Mac26X.
So welcome back, the whole group missed you! And I know you don't mean
anything by those disparaging remarks about my bristol, modified
Coronado 27 blue water vessel.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
PS If you are reading back to catch up for the past few months, beware
the clones!
~~~~~~~~
EGordon873 <egord...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804201336...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >where is Ed when you need Him?).
>
> Indeed, I have returned. I see Capt n Crunch is still out there bad
mouthing
> the mac 26. Of course he lives on a barnacle infested 1960s sloop of
some sort
> that would immediately sink if he loosed it from its slip. I read
that he
> would feel perfectly safe taking it to Europe. HA HA HA. I'd take
my mac
> around the horn before taking his boat across the atlantic.
>
> The mac is a good choice of sailboat and is probably the best
cruising 26 foot
> boat out there in terms of safety and sailing performance. The only
place
> anyone talks bad about it is in this newsgroup. All the books I have
read that
> mention it and all the magazine articles I have read that mention it,
consider
You quote badly, just like someone who isn't good at writing does.
The article says: Every sailboat could use bigger winches! "
>
You say: ie, the winches are too small. Another example of cost cutting!
You're an idiot, the author means your sailboat needs bigger winches too.
Besides, the mac doesn't need bigger winches. Even a woman could handle the
genoa without any winches. Your weak ass probably can't.
The article says: I noted that there are no slugs to hold the sail in place.
That means that when you let it down it needs to be wrestled and collected to
be kept onboard. "
>
You say: Cheap. cheap
You pathetic, stupid fool. My mac has mainsheet slugs and roller furling for
the jib. The article is old. Like you.
People sail macs to the Bahamas, Catalina, the Sea of Cortez, etc. So go fuck
yourself you ignorant bastard. Would I take it to Europe, No, I wouldn't take
any 26 foot boat to Europe, 4 weeks is a long time on a 26 foot boat.
So, go back to your nasty 1960s catalina and jerk off to the brochure for the
mac. That's as close as you'll ever get.
Your best bud,
Ed
Mike Smith has no dick and thinks he's an "old salt." Go fuck yourself and
take your useless, uninformed opinion back to the old folks home where no one
listens to you there either. Dickhead.
Ed
I hate AOL so much, but I am so lazy, that what would be best is if they would
suspend me. Of course, I'd go to another server instantly and be back in your
face. Nonetheless, thanks for the welcome home.
>
>And you might as well give up expounding the Mac26X. There have been numerous
posts in your absence that have documented the worthlessness.
You just told me there hasn't been any intelligent conversation. Therefore, I
can only assume that an idiot would dare talk bad about the Mac.
>So welcome back, the whole group missed you! And I know you don't mean
anything by those disparaging remarks about my bristol, modified Coronado 27
blue water vessel.
Why, thank you. But did you say "blue water" I think slip-queen is more the
appropriate term. It means the same thing as wall flower. You know, too ugly
to take out so you have to stay at home all the time.
Sincerely,
Ed
EGordon873 wrote in message
<199804221027...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
>You're an idiot, the author means your sailboat needs bigger winches too.
My sailboat has the correct winches
>
>So, go back to your nasty 1960s catalina and jerk off to the brochure for
the
>mac. That's as close as you'll ever get.
Who said I had a Catalina? I don't!
Ed's back from latrine duties on some godforsaken island...
>
>> Mike Smith has no dick and thinks he's an "old salt." Go fuck yourself and
>> take your useless, uninformed opinion back to the old folks home where no one
>> listens to you there either. Dickhead.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>Welcome back Ed! (or should I say "The Veridican")
>
>By the way, why haven't you shared your homepage with the rest of us?
>http://members.aol.com/egordon873/
>
>Do the christian NG's know about your writtings in this group? Split
>personality?
>
>Nice to have you back,
>Elliott
>
Ed is just as profane in the other groups he infests.
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(remove the underscores (_) from my address if replying by email)
I would urge everyone who needs a good laugh to visit Ed's
home page. It is truly, ahhh, truly, errrr.... enlightening!
J.
> >Welcome back Ed! (or should I say "The Veridican")
> >
> >By the way, why haven't you shared your homepage with the rest of us?
> >http://members.aol.com/egordon873/
> >
> >Do the christian NG's know about your writtings in this group? Split
> >personality?
Why would the Christian newsgroups care? I checked out the "Veridican" page
and the belief system espoused is anything but Christian.
--Alan Gomes
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As the semi-nude Puerto Rican hooker said in the movie "Capt. Ron": "Who is
this guy already I don't like him a lot?"
P.S. Veridicans are not Christian so save the guilt trip.
Sincerely,
Ed
>
>
Hey, did you get your 26X delivered yet? Last report from you was
that it was to be delivered any day now. I am interested in hearing
your perspective on it now you own it. I know the first time I sailed
the first "large" boat that I actually owned (a trashed 1966 Chris Craft Capri
26 sailboat) was a great day. There is all the difference in the world between
sailing your own boat and someone elses.
Tim
#947 Tanzer 22 Sojourner II