RV Wholesalers mid-Ohio
Jer39w
advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my
interest. I live 450 miles away, so would have to deal via phone.
Any FB appreciated!
Steve Wolf
have a link?
Steve
www.wolfswords.com under the motorhome link
CrazyDayz
"Steve Wolf" <ne...@w8iz.com> wrote in message
news:1327bln...@corp.supernews.com...
>I live in northern Ohio but would be interested in what they have. Do you
>have a link?
>
> Steve
This might be them. They're in Ohio anyway.
http://www.rvwholesalers.com/index.php
Steve Wolf
or what?
<stan....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> A rather transparent sock-puppet spamming effort on the part of an
> obviously unscrupulous retailer pretending to be a wholesaler!! This
> spam comes directly from the dealer!
>
> There is nothing unusual about the prices offerred by this con-artist
> compared to any other retail dealer.
>
> The entire effort is an unconscionable con-job!
>
> Stan Birch
> Newmarket, Ontario
Steven Vaughan
<stan....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 "Steve Wolf" <ne...@w8iz.com> wrote:
>>How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization
>>or what?
>
> wholesaler, which was transparently not true; I ran a google check to
> merely confirm, that the OP has never heretofore existed on the
> internet, other than for the purpose of of spamming his own RV
> business.
So, the Ohio retailer uses a Rochester NY web provider? Seems odd.
Al Balmer
It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address
spoofing?
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Sun City, AZ
Steven Vaughan
>>So, the Ohio retailer uses a Rochester NY web provider? Seems odd.
>>
> It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address
> spoofing?
>
> --
> Al Balmer
> Sun City, AZ
Yep. I wasn't paying attention. Looks like a Spam Troll... No way I'd ever
give business to a spam troll...worse than a greasy backlot used car
saleman.
Kevin W. Miller
Al Balmer <alba...@att.net> typed:
It was posted through Google but still shows a RoadRunner NNTP posting IP.
Unless they spoofed that as well.
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http://www.bluemoongemworks.com/rv/index.asp
Robert Bonomi
Yes. you can put in any email address you want to.
*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied
headers.
In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the
Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that.
Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host"
line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up
on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is
_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area.
Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right.
The hard facts, however. don't provide much support for his assertation.
Neon John
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>Yes. you can put in any email address you want to.
>
>*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied
>headers.
Sure you can. Trivially easily.
>
>In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the
>Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that.
>Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host"
>line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up
>on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is
>_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area.
That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the
post hit the big Internet Cloud.
The most trivial way is to use a national ISP like NetZero or
PeoplePC, consult their POP list and make a long distance dial-up call
to another city.
A more sophisticated approach uses a circuitous route through multiple
NAT gateways. I can, for example, VPN to a friend's cable modem
system in another city and go out through his wireless gateway to a
free hotspot that he maintains a connection with. My post would
appear to originate at the hot spot.
>
>Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right.
>
Stan has issues.... He occasionally goes off like that, seemingly in
an irrational direction.
>The hard facts, however. don't provide much support for his assertation.
Neither do yours. I can't see anything in the OP's post to convince
me either way on the spam issue.
John
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Ralph E Lindberg
"Jer39w" <je...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
Sigh... to actually answer your question, I haven't. But I know people
that have and they are for real. They will even deliver. Be aware that
you will have problems getting warranty service done though. Many
dealers will only service units sold by them (most builders allow this
policy) and you might have to contact the builder to arrange either
factory or pay-as-you go warranty service
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Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read
RV and Camping FAQ can be found at
http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv
Hustlin' Hank
It appears to me that it is a national organization/company that is
selling and listing RV's from numerous dealers around the nation that
are trying to unload them.
The following is the address of the website owner/lister.
Durnell's Indian Hallow RV Sales
10601 SR 235 N
Lakeview OH 43331
937 843 9000
Since I only live 1-1/2 hours away and have never heard of them, I
doubt you'll save any money. I have camped up near there and have
never heard of anybody saying anything about them.
So, it seems to be another sales technique that RV and Car dealers are
using to confuse the unknowing.
Hank <~~~Private Investigator wannabe :-)
Jer39w
Jer39w
> In article <1176735048.031514.274...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Wow! I'm amazed at the excursion this thread took. This isn't a dealer
spam. I'm simply looking for information, which I thought this group
might provide. We are talking about the correct dealership. The fact
is that they are offering a better price than I can get locally in
Rochester NY for the same unit, and I'm interested in saving money
(aren't we all??). The difference is enough to tempt me to work from a
distance on the deal. The don't take trade-ins, though, so I'd have to
sell my old unit locally, and that carries some timing issues as well
as pricing uncertainty.
The bit about not all dealers honoring warranties is new info to me.
Thanks for the watch-out.
Al Balmer
Could have, but less likely. I didn't bother to look up the IP. I
don't know how Steve came up with Rochester, though. RR is
headquartered in VA, I think. I didn't think anything about it at
first, because the only contact I've had with RoadRunner *was* in
Rochester, NY. (I did a fair amount of work for Time Warner there, and
they provided RR.)
Anyhow, jerw seems to be legitimate. I don't know why Stan couldn't
find other postings by him.
I do agree that judging by the website
http://www.rvwholesalers.com/index.php , I'd be very wary about doing
business with this company.
William Boyd-II
The RV dealer here is one of the largest in the state. But he must order
several of the same RV to obtain them from the factory. He can obtain
them in a lesser number from another dealer, which would make that other
dealer a wholesale dealer. Wouldn't it?
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Steve Wolf
these pompous asses something to think about. I didn't think you were
spamming and hated to see the weirder of the group chase you off. If you
are new, and have not changed addresses, welcome.
Steve
CrazyDayz
"Jer39w" <je...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1176818243.0...@b58g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> The bit about not all dealers honoring warranties is new info to me.
> Thanks for the watch-out.
I doubt you'd have a problem getting service. Dealers get paid for warranty
work and most service departments don't care or ask where your RV came from.
And how realistic is that anyway? Are we not supposed to move or break down
in our RVs outside the local dealer's area? It's just something a salesman
will tell you to scare you out of going somwhere else.
Jim Redelfs
Will Sill <wi...@epix.bnet> wrote:
> sometimes the dealer's own customers get preferential treatment.
It's true and I have experienced it.
It's not surprising, though. Giving warranty work preference to those
customers that bought their rig there is good customer service.
Warranty work is the bane of most repair places as they must jump through
numerous "hoops" to satisfy the manufacturer before they are reimbursed.
--
:)
JR
Jon Griffin
I needed new wiper blades but could not find any in the regular
stores. I went to La Mesa RV here in Yuma(a National RV dealer).
They asked if I bought the rig from them. No I sez, I bought it in
Oregon. Sorry they sez, company policy, if you didn't buy it from
us...tough.
I finally contacted the parts guy at National RV and he put pressure
on them. They reluctantly sold be a pair. Jeez! Wonder where I
won't go for the next RV.
Jon
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Jon Griffin
Yuma,AZ Olds, AB
http://www.om-im.org
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Jim Redelfs
Jon Griffin <u...@ravingidiots.net> wrote:
> I needed new wiper blades but could not find any in the regular
> stores. I went to La Mesa RV here in Yuma(a National RV dealer).
> They asked if I bought the rig from them. No I sez, I bought it in
> Oregon. Sorry they sez, company policy, if you didn't buy it from
> us...tough.
If you had asked them to INSTALL them, I wonder if the transaction
would have ended differently.
> I finally contacted the parts guy at National RV and he
> put pressure on them. They reluctantly sold me a pair.
Waddya bet National offered to expedite replacement stock
without a shipping charge to make you happy?
> Jeez! Wonder where I won't go for the next RV.
Even if they make you a great offer on EXACTLY what you want?
I can't see blacklisting a company because of a windshield wiper SNAFU if they
are otherwise a good dealership. You did prevail after all.
--
:)
JR
Robert Bonomi
Neon John <n...@never.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:59:15 -0000, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com
>(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>
>>Yes. you can put in any email address you want to.
>>
>>*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied
>>headers.
>
>Sure you can. Trivially easily.
You don't know what you're talking about, or you are using a "different"
meaning of 'spoof', than what network professionals mean by the term.
The address listed in the headers is *guaranteed* to be the address of the
machine that connected to Google.
Yes, it is possible that that machine was a 'relay', and not the 'point of
origin'. But _HIGHLY_unlikely_, given the characteristics of the IP
address involved
>>In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the
>>Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that.
>>Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host"
>>line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up
>>on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is
>>_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area.
>
>That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the
>post hit the big Internet Cloud.
I'll agree that it is not _absolutely_ certain, but i'll bet $1000 to your
$1 that it _is_ the OP's actual location.
There are two ways the OP could be 'somewhere else'.
Both require a degree of technical sophistication with regard to Internet
technology such that the perpetrator would _know_ the reception the 'fake
recommendation' posting gets.`
Of those two methods, one requires the active 'co-operation' (or 'collusion',
if you prefer) of the party who operates the gear at the address Google saw,
The other involves a Federal felony. Someone going that route would't do
just a single posting. They would hit -every- 'somewhat releant' newsgroup.
>The most trivial way is to use a national ISP like NetZero or
>PeoplePC, consult their POP list and make a long distance dial-up call
>to another city.
So what? If they did that, the address would _not_ identify itself as
eqipment installed _at_the_customer_location_ of a RESIDENTIAL service
customer.
>>Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right.
>>
>Stan has issues.... He occasionally goes off like that, seemingly in
>an irrational direction.
>
>>The hard facts, however. don't provide much support for his assertation.
>
>Neither do yours. I can't see anything in the OP's post to convince
>me either way on the spam issue.
Extensive experience with Roadrunner's naminng conventions helps.
(And of their policies -- notably that of forbidding _any_ servers (of any
sort -- including VPN destination) on their residetial acounts.
Over a decade of _running_ newsservers helps. As does the knowledge from
actually talking with a number of such bozos who _did_ 'referral spam'
through my systems.
HDinNY
>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 "Steve Wolf" <ne...@w8iz.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The only thing you missed is appending a long string of crow recipes to give
>>these pompous asses something to think about. I didn't think you were
>>spamming and hated to see the weirder of the group chase you off. If you
>>are new, and have not changed addresses, welcome.
>
>
>
> R2D2
He was responding to the originator of the thread jerw. He neglected to
include the sender but the thread reveals the poster.
Hugh
Neon John
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>In article <9ps823parps9ddhmt...@4ax.com>,
>Neon John <n...@never.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:59:15 -0000, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com
>>(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes. you can put in any email address you want to.
>>>
>>>*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied
>>>headers.
>>
>>Sure you can. Trivially easily.
>
>You don't know what you're talking about, or you are using a "different"
>meaning of 'spoof', than what network professionals mean by the term.
I don't know if I'm a professional or not but I did contribute to Karn
Kode (the first IP stack available open source under DOS). And ported
the BSD stack into various AT&T kernels. And set up cluster computing
to compete with IBM's midline long before either TCP/IP, sockets or
the internet entered the lexicon. And owned and operated one of the
first commercial ISPs in the country (dixie.com). I kinda thought I
did a pretty good job but I don't know if I was "professional" or not.
>
>The address listed in the headers is *guaranteed* to be the address of the
>machine that connected to Google.
Actually it isn't. All the spoofer has to do is be in the same subnet
so that his packets will be routed properly.
>
>Yes, it is possible that that machine was a 'relay', and not the 'point of
>origin'. But _HIGHLY_unlikely_, given the characteristics of the IP
>address involved
>
>>>In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the
>>>Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that.
>>>Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host"
>>>line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up
>>>on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is
>>>_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area.
I don't care about this guy, as he wasn't a spammer. I'm picking nits
with you.
All that DNS and IP address show is that he hit the cloud through a
roadrunner connection. That does NOT show where he was located.
Trivial example. I ran a long range WiFi link to an employee's house
across town for several years. Her packets showed up as hitting the
cloud here in downtown cleveland but most assuredly was NOT where she
was located.
Another trivial example. I have a dialup account with NetZero (not
the real company I have one with but that'll do) for traveling. I'm
sitting here in Cleveland but I want to spam. I dial up a CA POP and
connect over long distance. Your little reverse DNS shows me in CA.
Wrong.
Yet another trivial example. I put my laptop and my Wifi transceiver
in my car and drive to Chattanooga. I find an open hotspot and
transmit my spam. Reverse DNS tells you nothing about where I am or
who I am.
Slightly less trivial example. I have an open Wifi node and so does
my friend and neighbor. We arrange to interconnect so that he can
send traffic out my node and vice versa. He gets on the net via a hot
spot in, say, CA and tunnels in to his machine from there. He goes
out over the local WiFi to my machine and back onto the internet. His
packets originate in CA but they look like they came from behind my
NAT.
>>
>>That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the
>>post hit the big Internet Cloud.
>
>I'll agree that it is not _absolutely_ certain, but i'll bet $1000 to your
>$1 that it _is_ the OP's actual location.
But we're not talking about the OP since he wasn't a spammer and had
no reason to hide his origins. You made the statement that
reverse-DNS could pin down the location of a spammer and I
demonstrated that you were wrong. I'm a little bored right now or I'd
not even bother to follow up like this.
>
>There are two ways the OP could be 'somewhere else'.
>Both require a degree of technical sophistication with regard to Internet
>technology such that the perpetrator would _know_ the reception the 'fake
>recommendation' posting gets.`
>
>Of those two methods, one requires the active 'co-operation' (or 'collusion',
>if you prefer) of the party who operates the gear at the address Google saw,
>
>The other involves a Federal felony. Someone going that route would't do
>just a single posting. They would hit -every- 'somewhat releant' newsgroup.
Really? I gave four scenarios above where no felony is involved.
Three require no collusion with anyone else.
>
>Over a decade of _running_ newsservers helps. As does the knowledge from
>actually talking with a number of such bozos who _did_ 'referral spam'
>through my systems.
Only a decade? Amateur piker.