Tow weight
C.Brewer
wrong with pulling a trailer over gross weight as long as it is under
the rated tongue weight for the hitch? I will be in no hurry, so I do
not need to pull at 70 mph. All I want to do is get from point A to B.
R Bishop
"C.Brewer" <cbr...@cwide.net> wrote:
Just let us know when/where so we can avoid the wreck.
Sue
"...and was quite gaga, and one of the symptoms
of those going completely yo-yo was that they
broke out in chronic cats."
Terry Pratchett
Philip Sinewe
>
>Sue
Of, course thats a good point, because it is a guarantee that if you tow
over weight you will have a wreck, and since Sue tows under weight she will
never have a wreck.
R Bishop
"Philip Sinewe" <hensle...@erinet.com> wrote:
I've been towing various equipment, trailers, etc, from horse to farm to
heavy equipment.... off and on for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident
yet while towing.
What's YOUR record?
Philip Sinewe
>heavy equipment.... off and on for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident
>yet while towing.
>What's YOUR record?
My record is not them point (though I have never had a wreck either). Your
statement that this man will have an accident is only based on your opinion.
You have no FACTS to back it up (or at least you did not want to take the
time to state them). While I agree that towing over weight is not a good
idea, making the statement you made does nothing to help explain your point
to the man. Other than making your statement, do you have anything
constructive to say?
Youn see you do not get it, I do not disagree with you, I disagree with you
tact. Is this how you treat people all the time?
R Bishop
"Philip Sinewe" <hensle...@erinet.com> wrote:
>>I've been towing various equipment, trailers, etc, from horse to farm to
>>heavy equipment.... off and on for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident
>>yet while towing.
>>What's YOUR record?
>
>My record is not them point (though I have never had a wreck either). Your
>statement that this man will have an accident is only based on your opinion.
And everything YOU say is YOUR opinion.
>You have no FACTS to back it up (or at least you did not want to take the
>time to state them). While I agree that towing over weight is not a good
>idea, making the statement you made does nothing to help explain your point
>to the man. Other than making your statement, do you have anything
>constructive to say?
Other than your crack, do YOU have anything constructive to say? I've been
around the Net for many years, I've also been participating on RV groups
for quite a while.
I was stating my OPINION. You are entitled to yours. Now you may wish
to be on the road when this person is driving a hugely overloaded set-up,
I do not.
It's a FACT that a grossly over-loaded outfit with a novice driver is
much more dangerous than a sensible set-up with an experienced driver.
Obviously you don't understand that.
Sometimes a shocking statement gets the point across much better than
pussy-footing around.
>
>Youn see you do not get it, I do not disagree with you, I disagree with you
>tact. Is this how you treat people all the time?
And I disagree with your tact. Is this how YOU treat people all the time?
Philip Sinewe
Well, not really, I was not interested in getting into the conversation
about tow capacity. It appeared that you weren't either. You just wanted
to slam a guy for his question.
> I've been around the Net for many years, I've also been participating on
RV groups
>for quite a while.
You see, I never represented myself as an expert (though I can match my
understanding of towing to yours anyday...I believe I also understand towing
very well), nor did I say you did not understand towing...Go back and read
the WHOLE thread. A man asked for help, you basically told him it was a
stupid question and you did not have time to help him. The fact that you
have been on the NET for many years has nothing to do with this man's need
to understand what tow capacity has to do with safety. By telling him that
you only want to know what road he will be on, only alienates him more.
Being on the Net for years, I would have hoped you undertand such a simple
FACT.
>It's a FACT that a grossly over-loaded outfit with a novice driver is
>much more dangerous than a sensible set-up with an experienced driver.
So why didn't you say that in the first place. It makes perfect sense. I
fully support your opinion. Why not expand on it, it would help the man
understand the issue he has raised.
>Obviously you don't understand that.
See, now you make a statement about what I know about towing. How could you
possibly know what I know about towing? I too have never had an accident.
So?, I see people nearly everyday in my work that are in accidents. Most of
them have never had one either. Believe me, just saying you have never had
an accident does not make you or me an expert.
>Sometimes a shocking statement gets the point across much better than
>pussy-footing around.
True, but a little fact would have helped. In fact. lets look at Will.
Will does a similar tact as yours, with one major difference. First, he as
established himself (on the various newsgroups) as a person who has a heavy
understanding of towing. Secdon, and most important, when Will makes a
slamm like you did, he then backs it up with a logical explenation of how
and why he feels that way. While there are days Will rubs me wrong, he
always supports his statements.
>>Youn see you do not get it, I do not disagree with you, I disagree with
you
>>tact. Is this how you treat people all the time?
>
>And I disagree with your tact. Is this how YOU treat people all the time?
No, only the ones who waste time slamming people for what appeared to be an
honest request for help. You did not contribute anything to the man asking
for help.
R Bishop
"Philip Sinewe" <hensle...@erinet.com> wrote:
Sigh. Perhaps you will grow up some day. Until then, you can just
join the rest of the Bozos in my kill file.
Philip Sinewe
C.Brewer wrote in message <3707832A...@cwide.net>...
>Are there any laws that are enforced on tow weights? I there anything
>wrong with pulling a trailer over gross weight as long as it is under
>the rated tongue weight for the hitch? I will be in no hurry, so I do
>not need to pull at 70 mph. All I want to do is get from point A to B.
As far as I know, there are no States that "enforce" tow capacities. Having
said that, Sue's point was, who cares if someone is enforcing it, is it
safe? There are a number of issues to consider. People get from point A to
B everyday without incident. Safely towing a trailer is a very complicated
issue. Many people want to focus on one issue or another, they believe that
if they correct or avoid the problem that they see as critical, that the
others issue are not significant. In considering the answer to your
question (only you can make the final decision) here are a couple things to
consider.
Consider first that towing, from one point of view, is a stability issue. A
Corvette would be a GREAT tow vehicle from a stability issue. There is not
much of a market for it, but it would make a good tow vehicle...power,
brakes, and stability. If you use the proper equipment, the stability of
nearly any tow combination would be good. You have to look at what type
equipment you will tow with and what type of sway control you will use.
Next, consider tow power. While a tow vehicle is rated for a certain power
capacity, many will tell you that some vehicle rated for a certain weight do
not tow worth a crap, while others tow easily over the stated rating. That
is a good question to ask a group like this. I.E "I am going to tow a 30',
7500 pound trailer with a Chevy Blazer, will it have enough power to pull
this trailer?"
Now look at braking ability. First off, make sure the trailer you have has
good working brakes. Next get a vehicle that will do the best job stopping
the trailer anyway. That is one of the main issues in rated tow
capacity...braking ability. By the way, hoping that a tow vehicle will
stop a trailer on its own is a pipe dream. You need top quality trailer
brakes, many people tow without them.
Your question indicates that you are towing a vehicle that is over capacity
but under tongue weight. Very few trailers (or tow vehicles for that
matter) fit that bill. Most trailers and most tow vehicles fit the standard
ratio of tongue weight and tow capacity. However, having said that, tongue
weight is the least important issue. With proper weight distribution,
tongue weight is a mute point. If the trailer puts 500 lbs. weight on the
tongue, as soon as you distribute the weight over the tow vehicle, a large
part of that tongue weight is "gone" and has little impact on the tow
combination. Tongue weight is only important if you are towing without
weight distribution, which is not the case for you question, I hope.
One last statement, we always said back in the 55 MPH days that 55 was slow
enough to make you think you where safe and was fast enough to kill you. In
an emergency panic maneuver, during a gust of wind, when passed by a semi,
70 and 55 are pretty much just as dangerous. Not being in a hurry is not a
safe bet for keeping out of trouble. Remember this, nearly every single
auto accident I have seen (seen just a few), one of the drivers was in a
hurry, the other was not. Sometimes the idiot drive hits something like a
tree, but then again, the tree was not in a hurry either.
You owe it to yourself to look at your question and review your point of
view. Typically this group is arguing over what is safe. We NEVER argue
about whether you should tow safely. That is why Sue gave you such a short
answer, she took offense to it (I am guessing). You appear to be asking
that question. "Can I tow a trailer in a clearly unsafe manner and get away
with it?"
R Bishop
And your obvious purpose for your post is to bossily criticize me. I stand
by what I said.
Sue, adding Phillip to her kill file.