The Motorhome Club
John Kirkham
http://www.motorhomeclub.com/forum/motorhome.php
The Motorhome Club forum is where club members can communicate and help each
other. Hopefully it will grow into a valuable resource, a searchable
database of shared wisdom, and a place where you can make friends with
motorhome enthusiasts around the world.
The Motorhome Club will be built around the forum because we want the
direction of the website, and the club, to be driven by its members. If you
have any suggestions, if there is anything you need from the website, or the
community, please let us know.
Thanks for your time.
John Kirkham
Web Developer & RV Enthusiast
The Motorhome Club
john.k...@REMOVE-THISmotorhomeclub.com
www.motorhomeclub.com
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John Kirkham
http://www.motorhomeclub.com/forum/motorhome.php
We are getting visitors but no-one wants to leave a message in an
empty forum, once we have a few topics in there I'm sure it will take
off.
Meanwhile, would anyone mind me borrowing a few posts from the newsgroups?
Thanks for your time,
John
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Will Sill
wrote these words:
>I am looking for volunteers to kickstart the Motorhome Club Forum.
>http://www.motorhomeclub.com/forum/motorhome.php
>
>We are getting visitors but no-one wants to leave a message in an
>empty forum, once we have a few topics in there I'm sure it will take
>off.
Take off? To where?
In these NG's, I am at liberty to post as I see fit - in spite of the
best afforts of a few who wish I would go away. So are you, so i
just gotta ask why you think we need more forums?
>Meanwhile, would anyone mind me borrowing a few posts from the newsgroups?
Speaking for myself, I DO mind. Though you probably have no "legal"
obligation to get my permission to post my stuff, I will tell you up
front that you do NOT have my permission.
Will KD3XR ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Before flaming, pause. I post to help rv'ers
and annoy the snot out of morons, idjits, fools
and bozos. Only you know which you are.
John Kirkham
You have some good points. But many of the advantages you speak of are
disadvantages to others. What's wrong with having a choice?
I accept that newsgroups offer uncensored freedom of expression, and I
respect that. The Motorhome Club is not attempting to any way compete with
the newsgroups, it is a completely different environment. As yet not a
single post has been removed from the Motorhome Club forum. However, if
something is generally agreed to be offensive or worthless by our members,
it will be removed.
You DON'T have to register to post to the Motorhome Club, if you want to,
follow this link[ http://www.motorhomeclub.com/forum/motorhome.php ] and
click on 'Post New Topic'. Some categories are restricted to registered
members, but there are valid reasons for that.
No I have not investigated market demographics, I have nothing to sell. I'm
just a web developer who's into motorhomes.
No, I can't tell you why The Motorhome Club is superior to a newsgroup any
more than I can tell you why a fish is superior to a chicken. I hope they
are both free to exist.
I admit I am not a regular contributor to alt.rv/rec.outdoors.rv-travel
because..
- I only discovered newsgroups recently.
- Being British and having never owned an American motorhome, I know nothing
about most of the subjects discussed in alt.rv/rec.outdoors.rv-travel.
I don't think I was spamming the newsgroup. I only posted one topic. I was
trying to draw the attention of readers to something that I genuinely
believe many will find useful. If you don't, that's OK, I'm sorry if I
wasted your time.
Thanks for your feedback,
John
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"Stan Birch" <bi...@netrver.com> wrote in message
news:3d9735ce...@news.netrover.com...
> John,
>
> I took a look at yer website. It's merely another mee-too effort
> amongst dozens of similar forums that demand user-registration, only
> to be subjected to a bunch imbecilic net-nanny moderators telling
> everyone what and what they cannot post. If that's what we wanted,
> then we would obviously wouldn't be here engaging in a forum that
> requires in a free forum that requires none of that nonsense.
>
> RV America once had one of the busiest RV forums on the net. Then in
> their wisdom, they decided to demand user registration. Since then,
> traffic has been reduced to a mere dribble. Have you really taken the
> time to investigate your intended market demographics?
>
> The NGs you have addressed offer total freedom of expression.
>
> Does yers? Nope!
>
> These NGs don't require registration.
>
> Does yers?
>
> These NGs don't have moderators or net nannies. Does yers?
>
> Then why do you figure that the participants of alt.rv or
> rec.outdoors.rv-travel would be in any way interested in engaging in a
> system that is so OBVIOUSLY inferior to what you are offering?
>
> Like, talk about a downgrade !!!
>
> Although we are all sure of yer sincerity in this effort, I can't
> remember a single post **EVER** from you on any of the NGs you have
> spammed in recent daze.
>
> Now it's yer turn. Tell us why yer user-registration moderated net
> nanny website is in ANY way superior to what we already enjoy in
> complete FREEDOM!
>
> Stan Birch
> Sharon, Ontario
> The Land of the Free
>
> >"John Kirkham" wrote again and again ad nauseum:
John Kirkham
Fair enough, bad idea. I will not duplicate your posts.
John
"Will Sill" <wi...@epix.net> wrote in message
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maur...@charter.net
"John Kirkham" <john.k...@REMOVE-THISmotorhomeclub.com> wrote in message
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Tom
That is an incredible statement from someone with a website.
Tom
John Kirkham
unreasonable to expect anyone to post before then.
<maur...@charter.net> wrote in message
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John Kirkham
John
"cg" <cgrams007@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 02:15:38 +0000 (UTC), "John Kirkham"
> <john.k...@REMOVE-THISmotorhomeclub.com> wrote:
>
> >The forum has only been up, a couple of days. It would have been
> >unreasonable to expect anyone to post before then.
>
>
> I ask because for at least some using Agent as their news server this
> will result in the creation of a new thread. It sure does for me and
> I'm not so sure your posts really constitute new threads.
>
> The subject line contents are, of course, up to you. But thought I'd
> tell you since you are using OE and may not realize how changing the
> subject line might impact Agent users.
>
> --
> cg (Yes, there is an Agent option to prevent subject lines being
> treated in this manner but usually a subject change is a new thread.)
B. C. Allen
<john.k...@REMOVE-THISmotorhomeclub.com>Mon, 23 Sep 2002
01:33:49 +0000 (UTC) writes:
:>:>I admit I am not a regular contributor to alt.rv/rec.outdoors.rv-travel
:>because..
:>
:>- I only discovered newsgroups recently.
:>
:>- Being British and having never owned an American motorhome, I know nothing
:>about most of the subjects discussed in alt.rv/rec.outdoors.rv-travel.
Hi John,
I don't think you have anything to apologize for. But
since you are unfamiliar with newsgroups, the following
might be helpful in letting you know how these work.
In the main RV groups, (you've found them), you,ll find
with come crossover, three kinds of participants:
1: Someone wanting help for a specific problem.
2: People who own RVs or want to own an RV and read
regularly in order to gather useful information.
3: People who know each other well through posting,
in person from RV events, from travels, or from chance
or planned encounters at campgrounds.
The first group post rarely, and most likely read only
while trying to solve a problem.
The second group read a lot, but don't post. Also known
as "lurkers".
THe third group are here all the time, respond mostly to
or at each other. No offense intended, but it can be
like a public playground. They are experienced, can be
and usually are very helpful, but at the same time can
be a bit intimidating to newcomers.
Copying any of the newsgroup posts to your new website
does not seem to me to be a good idea.
With all that in mind, know that it will take time for
new people to populate your forums. I'm sure you're
aware that there are a number of RV websites that
already provide similar opportunities.
Good luck!
Barbara
Cass
Congratulations on starting another forum for rv'ers. I wish it success.
As you will note, many are taking you to task for this or that. I don't
understand the mentality that drives folks to stomp on others for trying to
start a new venture. It certainly is not the "American way" or how I view
it.
Great benefit has come from competition as any school-child knows. It keeps
the players honest and continually striving to be the best. Those that are
inferior, soon drop out and make way for others to come and contribute.
I don't know what has happened to this country to make others so ready to
attack someone for the slightest thing but it sure isn't healthy.
Cass
"John Kirkham" <john.k...@REMOVE-THISmotorhomeclub.com> wrote in message
news:aml9eh$e4a$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
Paul
computer users, web site designers and programmers have never
encountered newsgroups. If you got started in computing when web
based forums were already well established, or used Compuserve or
similar forums you would never have had a need to seek out newsgroups.
Newsgroups can be very intimidating just from the numbers. I
currently see 41000 groups listed from my news server.
Once you find a group that seems to meet your purposes you then find a
fair amount of off topic and downright brutal treatment of regulars by
other regulars. This is not fun until you learn to use a filter.
Nicely run forums can be much more pleasant for many.
But don't take away MY newsgroup access. I like the freedom and don't
mind getting slammed since words are the weapon of choice here, and i
spend most of my time lurking because I learn so much useful
information amidst the banter and useless chit chat, of which this is
more.
Paul
Traveling in a 2001 Damon Daybreak 3130 with
an Infiniti G20 Tow'd
IF YOU CAN'T SWIM DON'T JUMP IN
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kc
Cass
Why not go shoot up with heroin or whatever you do?
Cass
"Stan Birch" <bi...@netrver.com> wrote in message
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> >You have some good points. But many of the advantages you speak of are
> >disadvantages to others. What's wrong with having a choice?
>
> I am completely aware of the advantages and disadvantages of a
> moderated forum. Adages like "Gain commensurate with Risk;" "No Risk,
> no Gain" come to mind. Many of us here have already been exposed to
> this kind of forum, and rejected them in favour of a no-holes-barred
> forums such as the NGs you are currently appealing to for adherents.
>
> Nothing wrong with having a choice. There are dozens of options out
> there similar to what you are offering.
>
> >I accept that newsgroups offer uncensored freedom of expression, and I
> >respect that. The Motorhome Club is not attempting to any way compete
with
> >the newsgroups, it is a completely different environment.
>
> Never for a moment suspected that you were trying to compete with
> UseNet NGs. That's sort of like Skoda trying to compete with Ford. :-)
>
>
> > As yet not a single post has been removed from the Motorhome Club forum.
>However, if something is generally agreed to be offensive or worthless by
our
> >members, it will be removed.
>
> There is no such thing as "offensive or worthless." Those posts YOU'n
> yers might deem to be worthless; others view as interesting
> sociological and anthropological anomalies. Like, for how many years
> can you maintain interest in "How to dump yer black water tank?" But
> is RVing merely about "how to dump yer tanks" or "why yer fridge won't
> stay lighted?" YAWN! We've all gone through that boring stuff a
> thousand times!
>
> So what is RVing all about? Is it all about stubborn fridges, or
> stinky black tanks!?!? Although this kind of crap intrudes upon our
> RVing lives from time to time; they hardly represent the substance of
> RVing. In over 30 years of RVing, the memories that live on, are those
> of meeting other RVers. They ALL have an intensely interesting story
> to tell.
>
> And whether we choose to talk about religion, politics, or sexual
> preferences, often in a most heated and passionate manner; that's
> REALLY what RVing is all about! . . . and certainly not stinky black
> tanks! Like how desperate can one get to decline to this level??
>
> If I recall correctly, you are from Britain. Like how many years have
> elapsed since North Americans in 1776 totally lost patience with the
> ability of totally self-focused Brits to consider, or even care to
> understand the freedom-oriented North American mindset??
>
> So what are you really offering freedom loving North Americans?
> The opportunity to return to censorship; with you being the Little
> Napoleon censor-general? Or should I say the Torquemada,
> bow-or-be-burned-at-the-stake Censor General. <har!!>
>
> You offer an incredibility irresistible opportunity for us to travel
> back in time to a century long past.
>
>
>