Ford E450 vs E350
Don and Deb
two chassis' to account for the differences in the GVWR and GCWR?
So far, the two things I have found are the fuel tank size and axle ratio.
I am wondering about the actual frame, suspension parts, springs, cooling
system, etc.
Also, as far as I aware, the engine and transmission are identical (except
for maybe the software/calibrations)?
Any insight would be appreciated...
Thanks,
Don
Hunter
<dkes...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>Can anyone give specifics on the actual mechanical differences between the
>two chassis' to account for the differences in the GVWR and GCWR?
Are you sure you mean the van (E class) and not the pick up (F class)
I didn't know they even made an E450.
Hunter
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy shit...what a ride!"
Don and Deb
series cutaways used for Class C motorhomes..
Don
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Hunter
<dkes...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>Sorry...should have been more specific - I am looking for info for the E
>series cutaways used for Class C motorhomes..
>
>Don>
Oh, maybe I should have known that <g> Sorry, I don't have a
clue.....
Hank
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Good question, I hope you get an answer. I own a 04 E-450 Class B/C. I doubt
that there is much difference except those that you listed. The shocks and
suspension MIGHT be a little stronger but I even doubt that.
Hank
351CJ
I understand your concerns, often the only differences between Fords
F-250 & F-350 are on paper. That is absolutely not the case between the
2005 F-350 and the F-450...
Having just purchased and taken possession of a new 2005 F-450, I
believe I can help you out with your questions. I compared the
differences, and because of them chose the F-450 over the F-350, mostly
because of the MASSIVE differences in the brake and axle assembles.
Do yourself a big favor and go to a local Ford dealer who has some of
the 2005 Chassis Cabs on their lot, look at the rear axle assembly on a
F-350, then compare that to the assembly on a F-450. Where the F-350
uses a standard one ton axle assembly, the F-450 uses a massive truck
axle assembly, that is much larger. The rear brake calipers on the
F-450 are nearly twice the size of the F-350.
The F-350 has 34.9 sq inches of front brake lining area, and 38.2 sq
inches of rear brake lining area, for a total of 73.1 total sq inches of
brake lining area.
The F-450 has 55.6 sq inches of front brake lining area, and 55.6 sq
inches of rear brake lining area, for a total of 111.2 total sq inches
of brake lining area.
The F-450 uses a 19.5 inch commercial truck tire and 10 lug wheel, the
F-350 still uses a pickup truck tire and wheel.
My old F-250 4x4 Pickup truck weighed in a 6800 pounds.
This new 2005 F-450 4x4 Chassis Cab weighed 8200 pounds without a bed,
9100 pounds with Pro-tech aluminum flat bed. There is allot more (over
a ton) steel on the F-450.
Those extra 3000-6000 pounds of weight and towing ratings are from real
differences in parts, not just marketing BS.
I am convinced that if you look at a F-350 and a F-450 side by side you
will be thoroughly convinced of the Great structural and mechanical
differences between them.
Lifelists
have
a question. Is the 350 a pick up truck and the 450 a MDT medium duty truck?
The more I learn about hauling heavy wt. it seems like the MDT is the better
choice
for hauling. But a MDT around town sound like too much.
jon
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351CJ
Well yes the F-450 is a Class 4 (Class 4-6 GVW 14,000-26,000 lbs) medium
duty truck.
Versus the F-350 which is a Class 3 (Class 1-3 GVW up to 14,000 lbs)
Light duty truck.
Around town my New F-450 4x4 Crew Cab with a 9 foot Pro-tech aluminum
flat bed turns much tighter and parks much easier than my old F-250 4x4
super cab with an 8 foot pickup bed. That better turning also
translates to easier steering and maneuverability while backing my
trailers. :-) The ride and handling while empty are far better with
the new F-450 as well.
BTW:
This new F-450 is my daily driver, replacing the old F-250 daily driver.
If you were comparing the F-450 to a ranger maybe your concerns would
be warranted, but comparing it to the F-350, from where I'm sitting,
there are no real around town disadvantages...
351CJ
> Maybe a dumb question (sorry - I'm a GM guy...) but are the F-series truck
> chassis and E-series cutaways for motorhomes really the same?
>
> Sorry if there was some confusion about the question (it is specific to
> class C motorhome chassis) due to lack of detail in my original email...
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
From EarthRoamer Xpedition Vehicles web page.
Truck vs. Van Cab
Unlike most class C motor homes, EarthRoamer Xpedition Vehicles are
based on a truck chassis instead of a van chassis. We believe that a
truck chassis offers superior room and comfort on extended trips.
Sitting behind the front wheels provides more room, a smoother ride on
rough roads and less engine noise. The truck cab also allows us to
provide four factory cab seats and four doors, and the crew cab model
provides comfortable in-cab seating for four adults.
Ford F-450 or F-550 Platform
After carefully evaluating the truck platforms offered by Dodge, Ford
and GM, Ford quickly rose to the top of our list. Out of the three major
diesel light truck manufacturers, Ford is the only one to offer a
cab-chassis truck with a four-seat extended cab. The cab-chassis has
straight frame rails, which greatly simplifies camper design and allows
for a larger interior stand up height. The F-450 also has a gross
vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 16,000 pounds and a gross combined
vehicle weight rating (GCVWR) of 30,000 pounds, which gives us an
estimated 2,500-pound payload and a towing capability of up to 10,000
pounds. If the 16,000-pound GVWR isn't enough, we can build on an F-550
chassis with a 17,950-pound GVWR.
The balance between having a camper that is large enough to carry gear
and be comfortable, yet small enough to travel and be maneuverable is
delicate. In our experience, a vehicle with an overall length of around
24 feet is very capable and maneuverable, but still large enough to
provide spacious living quarters - even on extended trips. The 60-inch
cab to axle Super Duty cab chassis enables us to build an expedition
camper with excellent maneuverability that still has plenty of interior
space. The low, straight frame rails of the chassis cab enables a camper
design with a six-foot, five-inch stand up height.
Ford Super Dutys come with straight axles and manually locking hubs
which we prefer when four-wheeling. The 6.0-liter Power Stroke engine
provides an incredible 570 foot-pounds of torque and 325 horsepower.
Combine this massive torque with the expanded gear ratios of the
five-speed Torque Shift transmission and enormous brake calipers, and
you have a truck with amazing acceleration, low end grunt, highway
cruising speed and stopping power.
http://www.earthroamer.com/main_truck/vehicle_3design.html
Don and Deb
chassis and E-series cutaways for motorhomes really the same?
Sorry if there was some confusion about the question (it is specific to
class C motorhome chassis) due to lack of detail in my original email...
Thanks,
Don
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Cliff
---------snip--------
>
> Ideally I would like a 450 MDT diesel dually, full crew cab with a 350
> series long box.
>
> JD
JD, ain't nothin' you can't fix if you throw enough money at it! Years ago,
a big friend (6'5", 400+ lbs.,) owned a bright red twin screw Peterbilt with
a pickup bed on the back! LOL Him and that rig sure stood out in a
watering hole parking lot!
--
Cliff
Our Web Page http://www.cj-and-m.com
.
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Nobody got anywhere in the world by simply being content.
Louis L'Amour
351CJ
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:11:06 GMT, 351CJ <35...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Around town my New F-450 4x4 Crew Cab with a 9 foot Pro-tech aluminum
>>flat bed turns much tighter and parks much easier than my old F-250 4x4
>>super cab with an 8 foot pickup bed. That better turning also
>>translates to easier steering and maneuverability while backing my
>>trailers. :-) The ride and handling while empty are far better with
>>the new F-450 as well.
>>
>>BTW:
>>This new F-450 is my daily driver, replacing the old F-250 daily driver.
>> If you were comparing the F-450 to a ranger maybe your concerns would
>>be warranted, but comparing it to the F-350, from where I'm sitting,
>>there are no real around town disadvantages...
>
>
>
> Anyone have any info on that? I know that won't work with Chevy
> unfortunately. Their 3500 box is too short for the 4500.
>
> Ideally I would like a 450 MDT diesel dually, full crew cab with a 350
> series long box.
>
> JD
Well you can get a pickup style bed on either, but the GM 4500 still
doesn't look like a pickup when you are done.
The Fords is the Fontaine Ford Classic Traveler. Here are some links
for you. Fontaine is a Ford ship through upfitter, and will not give
you a quote directly, you have to get the quote through a Ford dealer.
(been there done that) They start out in the $9,000 price range and go up.
Ford:
http://www.fontainemod.com/ford.asp
http://www.fontainemod.com/ClassicTraveler.asp
I too liked the look of the "stock Ford" looking dually bed for my new
truck and considered it for a long time before I made my choice. I
periodically have a few pangs of regret over not getting the Fontaine
bed, but the Pro-tech is much better for my needs. The reason I went
with the Pro-tech aluminum bed was more practicality than price,
although the price was less. They were within 120 miles of my house
too, I visited twice before I made my choice. I made many custom
changes and additions to my basic flat bed.
Here are a couple of the benefits of the Pro-tech aluminum flat bed for me:
Custom covered box in the bed, that accommodates my "Reese style" 5th
wheel hitch rails, for both 5th wheel hitch and goose neck adapter.
with 7 pin trailer plug in box.
With the way the 5th wheel and goose neck hitch is mounted at frame
level on the new F-450 4x4, it is 2 inches lower than those same hitches
were in the bed of my F-250 4x4.
Class 5 16,000 pound rear hitch with trailer plug at rear.
I'm not a paint care kinda guy so not having any behind the cab is a big
plus for me.
Lower loading height.
Vastly simpler pallet loading and unloading.
All lights are LED, redundant lights in headboard.
Custom removable skid with matching aluminum dog boxes (when we go to
the beach, I don't want the wet muddy sandy dogs in the cab of the new
truck), bolts through the steak pockets with no additional mounting
holes or brackets, removes with no sign of it having been there.
Custom removable skid with Freightliner aluminum OTR 150 gallon diesel
fuel tank, bolts through the steak pockets with no additional mounting
holes or brackets, removes with no sign of it having been there. I can
lift the full tank off and on the truck with the front end loader on my
tractor.
I'm sure a bunch more I forgot.
Pro-tech aluminum beds:
http://protech.net/fltbedalum.html
http://protech.net/flatbedbodies.html
http://protech.net/
I don't know if either of these GM places will supply you with a bed on
your own GM 4500 KODIAK/TOPKICK truck, but here are some links to get
you started.
GM:
http://www.monroetruck.com/KodiakPU.asp
http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/topkick17e_20050317.htm
Good luck, I'm enjoying the hell out of mine and getting over 14 miles
per gallon around town so far, better than my old gas truck. :-)
e7...@hotmail.com
Don and Deb wrote:
> Sorry...should have been more specific - I am looking for info for
the E
> series cutaways used for Class C motorhomes..
>
> Don
>
Go to
https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/specialty_vehicles/Motorhome_Class_C.asp
and click on SPECS
Not a lot of detail. The curb weight of the E450 is about 500 pounds
more, so I assume you get more than just bigger shocks.
Marty Bose
<e7...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unlss something has changed in the 2005's, the E350 and the E450 use
the same 16" wheels and tires, and for Class C use carry the same GVW
rating of 14,050 lbs. Nonetheless, the E450 usually have a bigger
brake package than the E350's, and while sometimes the E350 have V-8's
every E450 I've seen has either the V-10 or rarely the diesel V-8. The
interiors etc. are essentially the same.
Marty