Any swingers/exhibitionist camp?
Us2buds
If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
Thanks,
Phil
Jeff Miller
An no, I don't qualify!
Jeff Miller
Chuck Huffman
thumper
We've already got a couple of flaming fags pompously prospecting this
"Family" thread and now we got swingers and exhibitionists as well. I guess
next we can expect to hear from the bondage and bestiality idiots too. Where
the heck does it end?
Why don't all you creep's do your cultivating from within your respective
disciplines instead of propagating this Desensitation Campaign in the
general public and family forums such as this? Where do you people get your
gall in disregarding the potential offense of others in order to promote
your particular deviations?
What the heck happened to common decency?
Us2buds <us2...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000509125606...@ng-fv1.aol.com...
CoomerClan
sometimes look at this board for tips and ideas...I can see now that I
should stop them NOW! This type of idea is not the message I want them
to have.
Isn't there some other place you could look for your pop up camping
questions?
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children
>sometimes look at this board for tips and ideas...I can see now
that I
>should stop them NOW! This type of idea is not the message I
want them
>to have.
>
discussion. Go to the top of the thread and there is an "ignore
topic" option. Use it, and the offensive thread will disappear
from the those listed in the newsgroup.
There are a few topics I "killfile" because the topic is either
of no value to me, or I find the subject objectionable.
Best Wishes,
Mark Filice
1999 Starcraft
1990 Ford Ranger
SRMRECORDS
Mike
<20000509125606...@ng-fv1.aol.com>:
>Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life
>style. If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
I have a serious link that will help you out..
http://www.khouse.org/blueletter/
Mike
Houston, TX
264BH Jayco Eagle
Jim and Linda King
Don't get me started, Thumper. Common decency is definitely on its way out in
America today.
Linda King
Fleetville, PA
'93 Chevy Suburban
'99 Coleman Bayside
elinortexr
>If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
While I do not fall into this catagory and am not into this life style, I am
not offended by Phil's question. I think that Phil asked his question
tastefully.
My ten year old daughter just read this thread and thought that Phil was asking
if there were any campgrounds with a swingset or a camp that people could
exhibit their projects. I explained to her what Phil really meant in simple
terms. I view this thread as an opportunity to explain about peoples choices
in life.
Some of you feel that Phil was wrong to ask this question and others took it
with a grain of salt. That's life...pure and simple.
Happy camping.
Elinor Davis
99 Bayside
98 Expedition
Mike
>While I do not fall into this catagory and am not into this life style,
>I am not offended by Phil's question. I think that Phil asked his
>question tastefully.
>
>My ten year old daughter just read this thread and thought that Phil was
>asking if there were any campgrounds with a swingset or a camp that
>people could exhibit their projects. I explained to her what Phil
>really meant in simple terms. I view this thread as an opportunity to
>explain about peoples choices in life.
>Some of you feel that Phil was wrong to ask this question and others
>took it with a grain of salt. That's life...pure and simple.
>
>Happy camping.
>
>Elinor Davis
>99 Bayside
>98 Expedition
>
>
Elinor,
Please tell your daughter that keeping wedding vows and keeping a
family intact is an important part of life as well. Please let
her know that certain sexual acts leave you with a better chance of
catching all sorts of diseases besides AIDS. Please tell her that condoms
are not SAFE SEX. (Give me a break, or I forgot, comdoms do break!) Please
let her know that there are wrong choices to make in life and please let
her know what those wrong choices in life are and how to avoid them. Its
good that you explain to your daughter these things. I applaud you for not
being blinded to what goes on in this world and taking the time to explain
these things to her. But finish up the job and guide her to make the right
choices in life.
HpyKampers
with 2.5 kids and a dog NG.
If more people would open thier minds to education instead of their mouth to
ingnorance this world would a much nicer place.
If something doesn't interest you then click off. If you're not educated
enough to explain life to your kids then you shouldn't have any. This world is
a very large place. You should live outside your mind a little.
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anne huston
the way. I find your comments totally ignorant. Just as you may not
like comments from alternative lifestyles, I certainly don't agree with
your prejudiced comments and wouldn't want my children to hear them
either, but, you have a right to post as do others since this is a
camping news group for all, not just traditionalists. I learn a lot
from all members in thia great group and hopefully one day I will learn
to tolerate and ignore comments such as yours.
Anne
Ellicott City MD
>
> Great!!!
>
> We've already got a couple of flaming fags pompously prospecting this
> "Family" thread and now we got swingers and exhibitionists as well. I guess
> next we can expect to hear from the bondage and bestiality idiots too. Where
> the heck does it end?
>
> Why don't all you creep's do your cultivating from within your respective
> disciplines instead of propagating this Desensitation Campaign in the
> general public and family forums such as this? Where do you people get your
> gall in disregarding the potential offense of others in order to promote
> your particular deviations?
>
> What the heck happened to common decency?
>
> Us2buds <us2...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000509125606...@ng-fv1.aol.com...
Mark Filice
expressed here. I am however, going to click "ignore this topic"
on my newreader and go onto other things...
See you all on other threads....
Mark Filice
1999 Starcraft Starflyer
PKPMT
mc
months ago generated over 250 responses. It was informative and
entertaining to read the responses ranging from intellectually
serious to flippantly humorous. One result was that it brought
out off-topic opinions held by the regular posters so you got a
more rounded view of the kind of NG as a whole.
Personally, I don't find the question asked to be offensive or
threatening. We (my family) are regular church-going,
spiritually minded people who find the greatest example in the
parable of the Good Samaritan.
mc
mc
topic too quickly. If someone provides a serious response to
Phil's question, how will you know NOT to go to such-and-such
campground which does cater to that lifestyle?
Huff
many such campgrounds around and they do cater to the family crowd. It is not
the wild crazy lifestyle people tend to think. They call themselves naturists I
think. It's not for everyone, including myself, but I do not view it as some
disgusting perverted behaviour either.
elinortexr
>being blinded to what goes on in this world and taking the time to explain
>these things to her. But finish up the job and guide her to make the right
>choices in life.
>
>Mike
>Houston, TX
>264BH Jayco Eagle
Mike,
Please do not assume that I have not had these type of conversations with my
daughter, I welcome each and every opportunity to explain my views on life and
to hear my daughters views as well.
Elinor
Paul Fidler
in a tasteful way. I would rather my children read Phils post than yours.
--
Paul
Coleman Grandview SP
N. Central Massachusetts
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> Great!!!
Chuck Huffman
Take a look at yourselves people. This is NOT
'alt.rv.pop-up-trailers.politics' or
'alt.rv.pop-up-trailers.personal-beliefs'.
Yes we all have differing beliefs. But no one originally asked you or me
what they thought, did they? No one asked you to assume that you know what
is going on inside my head or your head either. All Phil wanted was hard
data; an answer to a question. Why wasn't he just ignored like so many other
valid requests for data in the NG? Why are you picking on him?
Why is it that a simple question is posted, and then all of a sudden
'lurkers' come out of the woodwork and chime in, soon to be followed by
regulars? And then on top of it, people feel the need to express their
personal beliefs and banter back and forth. I didn't come here to learn
about your views of the world and you didn't come here for mine.
We all come here for one main reason... to learn and help others learn about
camping and pop-ups, right? If not, then why put the time and effort into
it? Why can't everyone put this much energy into other requests that go
unanswered like "Battery hook up to pop up" and "HELP: Repairs to inside
Jayco ABS Roof"? Both of these posts were also valid questions, but no one
responded. Why didn't everyone run over there and reply up a storm?
Phil, whether I agree with your beliefs or not, I apologize that you didn't
get your full answer. I also apologize for the ambush you received. One that
I had no idea existed until now. I'll have to think twice before my next
post. It may offend someONE in the group. What if I ask a battery question
next time and some people out there don't believe I need a battery to go
camping with... what then?! Will they all jump in on me too?
Let me say that my opinion of many of the many lurkers and regulars here
alike has suffered a major blow in the respect department.
Ooops! But remember... you didn't come here for my opinion, did you?
patrick
as Rodney King once said "Can't we all just get along?" Chuck you where
right!! This one did get crazy....
Pat @ Sunbelt RV
...
Jim M.
hpyka...@aol.comSPAMFREE says...
> Let's see. I didn't see anywhere in here where is says straight, white couple
> with 2.5 kids and a dog NG.
> If more people would open thier minds to education instead of their mouth to
> ingnorance this world would a much nicer place.
> If something doesn't interest you then click off. If you're not educated
> enough to explain life to your kids then you shouldn't have any. This world is
> a very large place. You should live outside your mind a little.
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do think that there is a more appropriate forum for the exploration of
these desires than a NG dedicated to pop-up camping. Lynn Dimick was
right. This is just a very successful troll. If I want internet smut,
there are plenty of other places to find it. I'd rather see
correspondence regarding camping issues.
--
Jim M.
93 S-10 Blazer 2WD
99 Jayco Laurel
Jim M.
us2...@aol.com says...
> Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life style.
> If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
the least. There are too many other things that actually deserve being
called "offensive". This is simply a post to gather information. I am a
big fan of organization. I just think this poster would get better
results from a group organized to discuss his question. That is why there
are many newsgroups from 3b to za.unix.sco and many more. Perhaps this
poster might try aus.culture.naturist, alt.sex.exhibitionism,
alt.sex.swingers, or alt.swingers .
Oh, by the way, this could be an awfully useful tool to gather e-mail
addresses. A posting that gets huge responses can easily be harvested for
e-mail addresses. Just a thought. Going camping in 12 days!!! Without a
doubt there will be some nudity there. Most of it from overconsumption of
beer.
SavReb
<rzbj70N...@earthlink.net.invalid> writes:
>Everyone who is offended by Phil's question, don't ignore this
>topic too quickly. If someone provides a serious response to
>Phil's question, how will you know NOT to go to such-and-such
>campground which does cater to that lifestyle?
You make an excellent point there, MC.
Chuck & Suzanne
'95 Coleman Rio Grande
Savannah, GA
Mark J Strawcutter
>with 2.5 kids and a dog NG.
why do you drag race into it?
>If more people would open thier minds to education instead of their mouth to
>ingnorance this world would a much nicer place.
Lemme guess - if I disagree with your choices then I'm ignorant.
>If something doesn't interest you then click off. If you're not educated
>enough to explain life to your kids then you shouldn't have any.
I'm educated enough to explain life to my kids - this includes the fact that
there is such a thing as absolute truth, and the fact that there are a lot
of people out there who have made wrong choices.
> This world is
>a very large place. You should live outside your mind a little.
A lot. You need to recognize that true meaning and purpose in life comes
from beyond one's self.
Mark J Strawcutter
Indiana PA
'97 Coleman Key West
Mark J Strawcutter
>data; an answer to a question. Why wasn't he just ignored like so many other
>valid requests for data in the NG? Why are you picking on him?
I suspect he's a troll and is getting what he wanted.
Doug B.
> Indiana PA
> '97 Coleman Key West
>
Well said Mark!
Doug B.
John 3:3
Formerly: Cincinnati, OH area
Currently: Louisville, KY area
1998 Coleman Rio
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ROTFLMSAO!
Tom
Jim and Linda King
>topic too quickly. If someone provides a serious response to
>Phil's question, how will you know NOT to go to such-and-such
>campground which does cater to that lifestyle?
>
Now there's a thought! I can just see our family accidentally showing up at a
campground of that persuasion. Yeeks! Give me a list, and we'll know where
not to camp!
Lynn Dimick
wrote:
>Well said Mark!
Just because it is well written does not mean that it is correct. If
the original post had simply been limited to clthing optional instead
of including swapping then I suspect that many people would simply
have ignored it.
That post was really nothing more than a successful troll.
Les Donoho
there a list somewhere of all the other types of people we hate? What
if I am black, jewish, left handed, catholic, South African, fly a
rebel flag on my rig, or have a swasticka tatooed on my arm?
Maybe we should just stick to taking about popups.
Ken
--
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http://home.rochester.rr.com./sar/camping.htm
DUSIC
Haaaaay! Leave me out of this! So far you got me 3 times; Black, left handed,
catholic sometimes. ; )
(not offended just thought it was funny and
decided to respond)
C h u c k
Phila PA
90 Jeep Cherokee
79 Apache Ramada
Mark J Strawcutter
Taste like chicken...
Mike
<shhhh0...@corp.supernews.com>:
>>Let's see. I didn't see anywhere in here where is says straight, white
>>couple with 2.5 kids and a dog NG.
>
>why do you drag race into it?
>
>>If more people would open thier minds to education instead of their
>>mouth to ingnorance this world would a much nicer place.
>
>Lemme guess - if I disagree with your choices then I'm ignorant.
>
>>If something doesn't interest you then click off. If you're not
>>educated enough to explain life to your kids then you shouldn't have
>>any.
>
>I'm educated enough to explain life to my kids - this includes the fact
>that there is such a thing as absolute truth, and the fact that there
>are a lot of people out there who have made wrong choices.
>
>> This
>> world is
>>a very large place. You should live outside your mind a little.
>
>A lot. You need to recognize that true meaning and purpose in life
>comes from beyond one's self.
>
>Mark J Strawcutter
>Indiana PA
>'97 Coleman Key West
Well said Mark. I agree with you totally..
Roy Jacobsen
well. The original poster specifically
mentioned "swingers/exhibitionists," which is NOT the same
as "naturism." The term "swinger" and "exhibitionist" have difinite
sexual connotations; most naturists would tell you that naturism is NOT
about sex. In fact most naturist/nudist camps will kick you out if your
public behavior has any sexual connotations.
In article <3918A47B...@home.com>,
Huff <mhuf...@home.com> wrote:
> While I myself don't enjoy that type of lifestyle, I will say that
there are
> many such campgrounds around and they do cater to the family crowd.
It is not
> the wild crazy lifestyle people tend to think. They call themselves
naturists I
> think. It's not for everyone, including myself, but I do not view it
as some
> disgusting perverted behaviour either.
>
Bob Wallace
>Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life style.
You might try the Burning Man event. It's held in the Black Rock
Desert in northern Nevada over Labor Day. 25,000 people last year.
Great place for expressing artistry and weirdness, though in a
challenging setting; almost no services, hot, cold, windy...
One place simple nudity is passe, you need at least good body
paint now...
- Bob Wallace (just my opinion); bo...@promind.com
Mind Books offers publications about psychedelics;
bo...@promind.com, or http://www.promind.com
clmitch1
on your forarm or chest or...never mind! 8-) JUST
JOKING...REALLY...No hate here!!!
Crystal
Frederick, MD
94 Dodge 250 Ram Van
99 Coleman Niagara
Gerry Pierce
<jsmin...@mailcity.com> writes:
>Going camping in 12 days!!! Without a
>doubt there will be some nudity there. Most of it from overconsumption of
>beer.
You coming to AR camping with me? :)
Gerry & Robyn
99 Mesa
96 Ford Conversion Van
Millington, TN
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Gerry Pierce
writes:
>I have to go feed my gerbils now. Ken
ROTFLMAO!
Jim and Linda King
Amen to Lynn on that one!
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
all frequencies...
> This same sort of question posted on the Willys & Jeeps NG two
> months ago generated over 250 responses. It was informative and
> entertaining to read the responses ranging from intellectually
> serious to flippantly humorous.
Jesus. Can't forget to bring Jesus into these conversations... It
somehow makes the narrowminded more credible in their own opinions.
hahahaha
--
Chris Behrens
NTPUCA WebMeister
http://welcome.to/NTPUCA
http://www.intellisys.net/choxnpinz/camping/camplinks.html
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> Now there's a thought! I can just see our family accidentally showing up at a
> campground of that persuasion. Yeeks! Give me a list, and we'll know where
> not to camp!
Tell me you've never walked into a gay bar by accident because you didn't
know the persuasion inside. Growing up in New York it wasn't too
uncommon. Chalk it up to $hit happens and press on....
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frequencies...
> Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life style.
> If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
If you check "Swingers" magazine (available in NY) they list such camps.
I apologize for the posts some of these people have written. You posed a
legitimite question that deserved a serious answer.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frequencies...
> Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life style.
> If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
Got serious links for you....
http://adultswinging.about.com/
http://www.aanr.com/
Enjoy!
pcen...@gnet.com
properly. By the time I got home the roof ions had already sagged
another 18" so I called my dealer and....??...oops! I think I'm in
the the wrong thread...isn't this "Re: Any's Wingers Exhibit Ions in
camp"?
Mike Mason Austin TX
tnt835
ROTFLMAO
Mark J Strawcutter wrote:
> >I have to go feed my gerbils now.
>
> Taste like chicken...
tnt835
Lynn Dimick
It <chox...@NODAMNSPAMintellisys.net> wrote:
>Jesus. Can't forget to bring Jesus into these conversations... It
>somehow makes the narrowminded more credible in their own opinions.
>hahahaha
You know, until this point there was no mention of Jesus in this
thread. Now that you have decided to call people that love Christ
narrowminded I can only only hope that all of the members of your
camping association are more open minded than you are, and continue to
let you represent them in such an eloquent, open-minded manner in the
future.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> narrowminded I can only only hope that all of the members of your
> camping association are more open minded than you are, and continue to
> let you represent them in such an eloquent, open-minded manner in the
> future.
Sorry Lynn, I don't represent anyone but myself. The service I provide
for NTPUCA is because I like those folks and consider myself proud to be
a part of the group. Maybe I'm fond of them because they took in a
Godless heathen like myself, but I think it has something more to do with
the common bond of camping.
Mark J Strawcutter
>thread. Now that you have decided to call people that love Christ
>camping association are more open minded than you are, and continue to
>let you represent them in such an eloquent, open-minded manner in the
>future.
The people who preach "tolerance" the loudest are usually intensely
Christophobic.
Mark J Strawcutter
Then why did you feel obligated to apologize in an earlier posting on
behalf of the other posters on the thread?
Jim and Linda King
>know the persuasion inside.
>Chris Behrens
Yep, Chris, I can tell you that. We don't go to bars. We're one of those
"narrow minded Jesus" families!
DUSIC
your forarm or chest or...never mind! 8-) JUST
JOKING...REALLY...No hate here!!!
Crystal
Frederick, MD
94 Dodge 250 Ram Van
99 Coleman Niagara >>
Since I've been reading this NG (about 2 yrs) I havnt seen or felt any hate. I
love it here! Thats my story and I'm sticking with it. : )
HpyKampers
By SHARON UNDERWOOD For the Valley News (White River Junction,
VT/Hanover,NH)
As the mother of a gay son, I've seen firsthand how cruel and misguided people
can be. Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the
"homosexual menace" in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken
enough from you good people. I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the
"homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the
same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant.
You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were
tiny. My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs
from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He
was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high
school because he was perceived to be gay. He never professed to be gay or had
any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or
have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting
when he was 6. In high school, while your children were doing what kids that
age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting
it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old
tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to
continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't
face a life without dignity.
You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the
homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children
to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put
him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God
gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing
that.
At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never
happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have
chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen
to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether
something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don't know. I
can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn. If you want to
tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than
your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you
disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own
heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part.
It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it. For
those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character
issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm
puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than
something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the
case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?
A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by
outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am
heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are
speaking for "true Vermonters." You invoke the memory of the brave people who
have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't
give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles
they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific
battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart. He shakes
his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought
alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered
no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it
until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't
the measure of the man.
You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the
hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have
a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request
the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions
for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance. How dare he? you
say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your
family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage. You use religion to abdicate
your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of
religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the
privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin. The
deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about
homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the
benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of
striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?"
Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?
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HpyKampers
This editorial is from Sunday's Concord Monitor Sunday, April 30, 2000
Sharon Underwood lives in White River Junction, Vt.
please direct responses to glb...@usc.edu
Ed Ferguson
30, 2000
>
>By SHARON UNDERWOOD For the Valley News (White River Junction,
>VT/Hanover,NH)
>
>As the mother of a gay son, I've seen firsthand how cruel and
misguided people
>can be. Many letters have been sent to the Valley News
You know, I just finished posting a message stating that, while
I disagree with the "Swingers/exhibitionist" message, I felt
that there was a right to post it. While I personally felt it
offensive, I argued that there was a right to post the question,
especially since it, sorta, related to camping and that those
who disagreed with it were best served by ignoring it (as I did).
However, this message is a different story. It has nothing to do
with camping, nothing to do with pop-up campers, or anything
else that this newsgroup is for. The only purpose that it served
was for you to continue fanning the fire. While you might have
had a right to post the "swingers" message, you don't have the
right to post this totally off-topic message.
Had I not just defended your right to post the "swingers"
message, I'd have ignored this one. But, you are now stepping
over the line.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ed Ferguson E-Mail: edf...@mindspring.com
1999 Coleman Santa Fe, 1991 GMC C-1500 Pickup
Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~edferg
Mike
<20000511084051...@ng-ff1.news.cs.com>:
Yep, strike me up with yourself Linda. My wife and I dont go to bars as
well. Strike me up as a "Narrow Minded Christian".
Allen and Teri
mjs...@grove.iup.edu wrote:
> > All Phil wanted was
hard
> >data; an answer to a question. Why wasn't he just ignored like so
many other
> >valid requests for data in the NG? Why are you picking on him?
>
> I suspect he's a troll and is getting what he wanted.
>
> Mark J Strawcutter
> Indiana PA
> '97 Coleman Key West
do to combat this sort of post is refuse to acknowledge it. 59 posts
and counting...A golf star trolling effort.
Allen and Teri
'00 Jayco Kiwi 23B
'99 Ford F150
Sophie and Tilly, the campin' dawgs
Westcott Household
intolerant?
People who object to homosexuality are entitled to without being
"labeled" the way people who don't object feel homesexuals are! I don't
like Alcoholism, Shoplifting, Racism etc. I haven't seen anyone
advocating any of the people engaging in these activities be killed, but
they are abhorant behaviours. We may all love our kids but wrong or
destructive behaviour is still that! People who don't like these
behaviours aren't narrow minded because they have standards that find
these unacceptable, I more find that people who do accept these to be
less tolerant of others if they don't agree. By the way, George has a
point, if you don't have a detailed knowledge of religion and understand
his belief in Christ, you don't have an educated opinion. the same
would be true if he was advocating Buddism, or Hinduism etc. The fact
is that George believes and Homosexuality IS contrary to Biblical ethics
and statements. It may not be convenient but it is true! Now, can we
stop beating this stuff. Can we let the Homosexual agenda and the
sexual revolutionaries go, I'm interested in camping!
Charlene
Mark J Strawcutter wrote:
>
> >You know, until this point there was no mention of Jesus in this
> >thread. Now that you have decided to call people that love Christ
> >narrowminded I can only only hope that all of the members of your
> >camping association are more open minded than you are, and continue to
> >let you represent them in such an eloquent, open-minded manner in the
> >future.
>
> The people who preach "tolerance" the loudest are usually intensely
> Christophobic.
>
Westcott Household
answer. So now the trolls no that if they add "camping or campground"
to the conversation, they can get a rise. Let it die. It is anything
but a legitimate question.
Charlene
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It wrote:
>
> On Stardate 09 May 2000 16:56:06 GMT, "Us2buds" cried frantically on all
> frequencies...
>
> > Just wondering if there are many/any peolpe out there into this life style.
> > If so are any in NJ,PA,MD,DE area and what grounds do you go to?
>
> If you check "Swingers" magazine (available in NY) they list such camps.
> I apologize for the posts some of these people have written. You posed a
> legitimite question that deserved a serious answer.
>
Westcott Household
experience. New York is a world unto its own! Let's let this string
die.
Charlene
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It wrote:
>
> On Stardate 10 May 2000 03:00:44 GMT, "Jim and Linda King" cried
> frantically on all frequencies...
>
> > Now there's a thought! I can just see our family accidentally showing up at a
> > campground of that persuasion. Yeeks! Give me a list, and we'll know where
> > not to camp!
>
> Tell me you've never walked into a gay bar by accident because you didn't
> know the persuasion inside. Growing up in New York it wasn't too
> uncommon. Chalk it up to $hit happens and press on....
>
Westcott Household
No one's calling you names or implying a lack of intelligence on your
part. But you probably think that's intolerant right\?
charlene
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It wrote:
>
> On Stardate Tue, 09 May 2000 16:01:34 -0700, "mc" cried frantically on
> all frequencies...
>
> > This same sort of question posted on the Willys & Jeeps NG two
> > months ago generated over 250 responses. It was informative and
> > entertaining to read the responses ranging from intellectually
> > serious to flippantly humorous.
>
> Jesus. Can't forget to bring Jesus into these conversations... It
> somehow makes the narrowminded more credible in their own opinions.
> hahahaha
>
anne huston
>
> The people who preach "tolerance" the loudest are usually intensely
> Christophobic.
>
> Mark J Strawcutter
> Indiana PA
>
I am a firm believer in tolerance,and acceptance and have a deep faith
in God-The Father, Son, and Holy Spririt.
Anne
+-Shrike-+
<391AC8CB...@home.com>:
>Excuse me but I have a question, why is a person objecting to a behavior
>intolerant?
>People who object to homosexuality are entitled to without being
>"labeled" the way people who don't object feel homesexuals are! I don't
>like Alcoholism, Shoplifting, Racism etc. I haven't seen anyone
>advocating any of the people engaging in these activities be killed, but
>they are abhorant behaviours. We may all love our kids but wrong or
>destructive behaviour is still that! People who don't like these
>behaviours aren't narrow minded because they have standards that find
>these unacceptable, I more find that people who do accept these to be
>less tolerant of others if they don't agree. By the way, George has a
>point, if you don't have a detailed knowledge of religion and understand
>his belief in Christ, you don't have an educated opinion. the same
>would be true if he was advocating Buddism, or Hinduism etc. The fact
>is that George believes and Homosexuality IS contrary to Biblical ethics
>and statements. It may not be convenient but it is true! Now, can we
>stop beating this stuff. Can we let the Homosexual agenda and the
>sexual revolutionaries go, I'm interested in camping!
>
>Charlene
>
I agree, lets camp!!
Doug B.
> Snip>. There are vast
numbers of
> religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the
> privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin. The
> deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who
lectures about
> homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed
with the
> benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the
idea of
> striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?"
>
> Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?
>
> Sharon Underwood lives in White River Junction, Vt.
>
> please direct responses to glb...@usc.edu
>
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> Rich & Lloyd
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> http://hometown.aol.com/hpykampers
>
First, Why do you think this News Group wants to read this?
Second ,What Bible do you read?
And sense you brought it up.
My Bible Says this activity IS a sin!
And if Jesus were here he would say "You are forgiven ,
Go and Sin no more! "(assuming you asked him for forgiveness)
Doug B.
Formerly: Cincinnati, OH area
Currently: Louisville, KY area
1998 Coleman Rio
1995 Chevy Suburban
Westcott Household
charlene
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> Then why did you feel obligated to apologize in an earlier posting on
> behalf of the other posters on the thread?
Because some of the self-righteous may have offended him by berating his
innocent question.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> The people who preach "tolerance" the loudest are usually intensely
> Christophobic.
I'm not phobic. In fact I view religion like string beans. I was force-
fed both as a child and now the very thought of either one makes me want
to puke.
Mark J Strawcutter
>> behalf of the other posters on the thread?
>
>Because some of the self-righteous may have offended him by berating his
>innocent question.
That's good. I thought perhaps you were having a consistency problem.
Mark J Strawcutter
Indiana PA
'97 Coleman Key West
Mark J Strawcutter
>fed both as a child and now the very thought of either one makes me want
>to puke.
That certainly explains your rabid intolerance.
HpyKampers
regarding "flamming fags" pompously prospecting this "Family" thread. I, at NO
TIME have tried to "prospect" anyone. A legitimate question is just that. If
you have an answer that's great. But if you don't then we'd appreciate not
hearing someone's opinion on how they think someone else should live thier
lives. For all of you that have given words of support I APPRECIATE IT VERY
MUCH. THANKS.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
all frequencies...
> My Bible Says this activity IS a sin!
That SAME bible says you should forgive those who trespass against you
(or do you conveniently forget that part when you get on a roll?)
You wanna be holy? Do the "Christian thing". Forgive them and press on
with your life.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> Chris -I'm sorry you needed to pursue this. Anyone involved KNOWS the
> answer. So now the trolls no that if they add "camping or campground"
> to the conversation, they can get a rise. Let it die. It is anything
> but a legitimate question.
Actually, it was a legitimate question and the answer was handled by e-
mail to avoid having the originator have to filter through all this
drivel to find their answer. Needless to say they won't be frequenting
the NG.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> Can see that New York attitude coming through, Chris, keep it friendly.
> No one's calling you names or implying a lack of intelligence on your
> part. But you probably think that's intolerant right\?
Not at all... I don't feel that I've been attacked. I was defending a
question that someone asked about a type of camping that didn't appeal to
some of the other folks in here. For THAT, I got slammed.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> Excuse me but I have a question, why is a person objecting to a behavior
> intolerant?
Well done Charlene...
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> >Because some of the self-righteous may have offended him by berating his
> >innocent question.
>
> That's good. I thought perhaps you were having a consistency problem.
Nope, I go potty the same time every day. Oh wait that's consistently.
You really don't want to know about the consistency, do you? heheh
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> That certainly explains your rabid intolerance.
Forgive me.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
on all frequencies...
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> <html>
> i can't believe this!!!
> <br>
Tim, what newsreader are you using? It seems to be exporting the message
with all the html code attached.
Paul Fidler
Wow! Finally an interesting thread! Hasnt been this much excitement in this
NG in a long time! Lets face it, it HAS been boring.........
AND, I have to agree with another poster (sorry I forget who). You really
find out a lot about your NG buddies by their answers to this kind of post.
--
Paul
Coleman Grandview SP
N. Central Massachusetts
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> AND, I have to agree with another poster (sorry I forget who). You really
> find out a lot about your NG buddies by their answers to this kind of post.
But in the big scheme of things, would you not camp near someone because
of their views? Mark Strawcutter and I will never be best buddies based
on differing viewpoints outside the camping realm but he's always welcome
at my campfire.
Paul Fidler
> of their views?
YES! One extremely rude answer came to mind immediately, and I would not
want to camp near him.
OK, really I wouldnt camp near him because of the rude way he expressed his
views, not because of his opinion.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
frantically on all frequencies...
> > But in the big scheme of things, would you not camp near someone because
> > of their views?
>
> YES! One extremely rude answer came to mind immediately, and I would not
> want to camp near him.
> OK, really I wouldnt camp near him because of the rude way he expressed his
> views, not because of his opinion.
If we're thinking about the same person, I'd keep my kids away from the
language he used, but he may be from NYC like me and can't help himself
:)
Ed Ferguson
Ummm..I never said you did...what the heck are you talking about?
>A legitimate question is just that. If you have an answer that's
>great. But if you don't then we'd appreciate not hearing
>someone's opinion on how they think someone else should live
>thier lives.
I do NOT know what the crap you are talking about. Your message
is in reply to my message, but you must be hallucinating since I
never made any statements about how others should live their
lives. Geez, man. Get a grip. *I* was the one SUPPORTING your
right to your opinion (even though I didn't agree with it). Maybe
I was wrong.
Now, I will consider the possibility that you replied to the
wrong person...if so, then you need to be more careful!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ed Ferguson E-Mail: edf...@mindspring.com
1999 Coleman Santa Fe, 1991 GMC C-1500 Pickup
Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~edferg
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George Miklas
Mine says the same thing. And I agree.
>And if Jesus were here he would say "You are forgiven ,
>Go and Sin no more! "(assuming you asked him for forgiveness)
Here's the proof for what you said Doug...
Romans 3:23..For all have sinned and come short of the glory of
God;
Romans 6:23..For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God
is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord;
I Corinthians 15:3..For I delivered unto you first of all that
which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins
according to the scriptures;
John 1:12..But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name;
1st John 1:9..If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us our sins, and to cleans us from all unrighteousness.
>Doug B.
>
>Formerly: Cincinnati, OH area
>Currently: Louisville, KY area
Doug, I formerly lived in Batavia OH when I taught in Mt. Orab
OH. Also, I have ministered at Florence Baptist Temple (KY),
and First Baptist Church in Milford OH. Ever been to these
churches?
George
Camping page http://www.pathway.net/harmonicat/camping.htm
Light Weight Trailers http://www.deja.com/~lite_weight_campers
http://communities.msn.com/LiteWeightTravelTrailersandCampersRV
Mark J Strawcutter
>
>Nope, I go potty the same time every day. Oh wait that's consistently.
>You really don't want to know about the consistency, do you? heheh
consistency - ability to be asserted together witout contradiction
consistent - agreeing with itself
Doug B.
Poppin' Up Where You Least Expect It
> On Stardate Thu, 11 May 2000 18:05:35 GMT, "Doug B." cried frantically
on
> all frequencies...
>
> > My Bible Says this activity IS a sin!
>
> (or do you conveniently forget that part when you get on a roll?)
>
> You wanna be holy? Do the "Christian thing". Forgive them and press
on
> with your life.
>
> Chris Behrens
> NTPUCA WebMeister
> http://welcome.to/NTPUCA
> http://www.intellisys.net/choxnpinz/camping/camplinks.html
>
Chris,
What part of my comment infers that I do not forgive my trespassers?
I forgive every one my gosh I even forgave Bill Clinton!!! and that was
rough!
Doug B.
Formerly: Cincinnati, OH area
Currently: Louisville, KY area
1998 Coleman Rio
Mark J Strawcutter
>intolerant?
>Mark J Strawcutter wrote:
>>
>> >You know, until this point there was no mention of Jesus in this
>> >thread. Now that you have decided to call people that love Christ
>> >narrowminded I can only only hope that all of the members of your
>> >camping association are more open minded than you are, and continue to
>> >let you represent them in such an eloquent, open-minded manner in the
>> >future.
>>
>> The people who preach "tolerance" the loudest are usually intensely
>> Christophobic.
Charlene, it looks like you may be confusing who said what. I quoted
the paragraph beginning "You know,", I did not write it.
Person A (who has a record of dislike for matters "religious") decided
to make this into a religious discussion. Person B called him on it
(the "You know," paragraph above).
My point was that many of the "tolerance" (quotes intentional) preachers
are actually anti-christian. They draw the line when it comes to tolerating
views that may have their origins in Judeo-Christian teaching. My use
of the term "Christophobic" was an intentional indirect reference to the
use of "homophobic" to describe any expressed belief that homosexuality
is other than normal.
I agree with you that a person objecting to a chosen behavior is not
intolerance. I apparently didn't make the point very well.
Doug B.
George Miklas <harmonica...@pathway.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <8fesp2$hg3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Doug B. <dougbran@my-
> deja.com> wrote:
> >
>
>
> >And if Jesus were here he would say "You are forgiven ,
> >Go and Sin no more! "(assuming you asked him for forgiveness)
>
> Here's the proof for what you said Doug...
>
> Romans 3:23..For all have sinned and come short of the glory of
> God;
> Romans 6:23..For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God
> is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord;
> I Corinthians 15:3..For I delivered unto you first of all that
> which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins
> according to the scriptures;
> John 1:12..But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
> become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name;
> 1st John 1:9..If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
> forgive us our sins, and to cleans us from all unrighteousness.
>
> >
> >Formerly: Cincinnati, OH area
> >Currently: Louisville, KY area
>
> OH. Also, I have ministered at Florence Baptist Temple (KY),
> and First Baptist Church in Milford OH. Ever been to these
> churches?
>
> George
>
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George,
No I have not been to any of those Churches.
I attended Solid Rock Church in Monroe , OH for many years
and Heritage Christian Fellowship , in Florence , KY
I now attend Evangel Christian Life Center in Louisville , KY
Westcott Household
with different signatures on them. Some was yours, some was Ken and I
didn't direct it back specifically at anyone, only used the reply box at
the top of my screen. Is this happening to anyone else? I'm not very
computer literate and this seems to be happening more recently.
Charlene
Westcott Household
most of the people here are kind, interesting people. I enjoy the
"banter". But,,,,I really wish people would stop entertaining these
trolls. Reply to them privately if you feel something ridiculous like
this thread on the "Swinging" is valid, its not. Lets reserve the text
of this newsgroup for campinging issues. We can discuss lots of things
and encourage one another, but folks, lets grow up and protect it too.
Charlene
Paul Fidler wrote:
>
> Let it die
>
> Wow! Finally an interesting thread! Hasnt been this much excitement in this
> NG in a long time! Lets face it, it HAS been boring.........
>
> AND, I have to agree with another poster (sorry I forget who). You really
> find out a lot about your NG buddies by their answers to this kind of post.
Ken
--
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thumper
Let me add a bit of history so the others can better understand my point. I'
m not saying agree, but at least hear my side. Yes, without question, that
swinger inquiry hit me at the wrong time and I inappropriately lashed out. I
know that and I apologize. However, based on my stuffed inbox over the last
couple of weeks, a lot of folks agree with me and that's a fact.
Anyway, when I first noticed what your links were all about, my 8 year old
was right next to me as we searched for camping checklists he was helping me
create. Once I clicked out of there, I sent you a private email questioning
what purpose does sexually orientated material add to this supposed family
thread. I asked is this any more or less appropriate than a few other
examples of what could be considered to some as offensive. I then asked if
you would drop the links.
Guess what, no response!? Then a week or so later after I saw another of
your posts with the same links, I asked you again, but publicly this time,
and you still refused to respond although I noticed that you did take the
time to adjust your sig-line. I took that as an insult and let me tell you
why.
A couple of years ago I took my family to Disney and unfortunately spent the
entire vacation trying to avoid a rather large group of gay people who were
extremely obnoxious. Me and a number of other parents who got stuck in ride
lines and such witnessing this behavior with our children asked a number of
times to please calm down the conduct to no avail. In fact, it seemed the
polite requests only increased the nonsense. By the second day of this I had
enough. I then was the bad guy for forcefully asking a bunch of them stop
the embracing, groping and kissing or else and I almost got thrown out if
you can believe that. The Disney people told me they were having a difficult
legal time with the group trying to push the envelope and to just please
avoid them. They couldn't 'afford' a confrontation of any kind. What!? Had
it been a few teenagers, this would have never been tolerated. That's the
point!
Now I never had a problem before with gays or whatever, but that simply was
dead wrong and yes, I felt completely violated to the point that I could
have really hurt someone given the chance. I know I am absolutely ultra
sensitive to any instance where I notice a similar behavior which infringes
in a family or publicly orientated environment with this quite obvious
Desensitization Campaign. This public in your face look at me attitude is
what causes some people to get upset, real upset, for good reason and this
is why. Certainly not everyone, but I think there's absolutely no logical
reason to continue such behavior in any environment that could possible be
construed as inappropriate to anyone unless you have an agenda. And, I for
one do NOT like it.
Although being a lesbian or gay will never be natural irregardless if your
hopes, I do believe in and celebrate your rights to practice such until they
infringe on mine. That's where it stops! I don't care how many self-serving
articles you forward to justify your motives, you'll never change my
opinion. Go to all the gay sites in the Internet and NG's and proclaim your
interest in camping all day long, but there's a quite different motive in
billboarding the questionable subject matter in public forums. You guys want
to sit there and demand and force your rights while you shamelessly trample
the rights of others. That just doesn't make sense, does it? Give at least
the respect you request of others.
Do what whatever the heck you want. Please, by all means knock yourself out.
I don't care if you marry a horse, I just don't want it in my face and I don
't want my children exposed to it at their age. If I had any interest
whatsoever, I certainly could think of a million more appropriate places to
indulge myself, can't you? This isn't about how you live you life-I could
care less. It's about where you express it. Get it???
And, to those who questioned my contention of this being a 'family forum'
then took offense at my flame that btw, I purposely included absolutely NO
cuss words? What the heck is that all about? You can't have it both ways. If
this isn't supposed to be a respectful moderated forum, then adult
expression of any sort, including four letter words should be tolerated,
right? Which is it already? And, who has the last word on appropriate public
indiscretions? Just let me know so I can be sure to adjust my future
correspondence and children's inclusion accordingly. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not uptight. This just isn't the place. Period!
With that, I'm going to try to drop the subject. I regret any of my remarks
that may have insulted others and have great hopes that those with equal
culpability have the ability and self-confidence to reflect with similar
compassion for the thoughts and feelings of others as well. 'Nuf said.
HpyKampers <hpyka...@aol.comSPAMFREE>
> The reason I posted this message was in response to "thumper"s message
> regarding "flamming fags" pompously prospecting this "Family" thread. I,
at NO
> TIME have tried to "prospect" anyone. A legitimate question is just
that. If
> you have an answer that's great. But if you don't then we'd appreciate
not
> hearing someone's opinion on how they think someone else should live thier
Summerfun4300
It's in Marston Mills, called Sandy Terraces Nudist Family camping Ground.
It has 20 sites, in-expensive, no pool though. they have hookups, laundry, one
thing you'll find different than conventional campgrounds....there no doors on
the shower stalls....;-)
It's an interesting place for sure.....very casual...;-) nice place if your
into people watching!...;-) just remember, some people are not meant to be
watched!!! yikes!!!!.;-)
Larry
98 Starcraft Spacestar (the no 'privacy curtins' option)
97 Jeep Grand Cherokee Larado
Summerfun4300
you don't belive in this, so what, some people do. lighten up!!!!!
Gerry Pierce
summer...@aol.com (Summerfun4300) writes:
>It has 20 sites, in-expensive, no pool though. they have hookups, laundry,
I can't really imagine the laundry being a requirement.... :)
.
Gerry & Robyn
99 Mesa
96 Ford Conversion Van
Millington, TN
http://hometown.aol.com/gpierce123/myhomepage/gerry.html
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Paul Barton
"Gerry Pierce" <gpier...@aol.com.EatSpam> wrote in message
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sapart
>This thread is giving me a headache
Gerald
99 Cheyenne
>
>say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your
>family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage. You use religion to abdicate
>your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of
>religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the
>privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin. The
>deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about
>homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the
>benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of
>striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?"
>
>Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?
>
>Sharon Underwood lives in White River Junction, Vt.
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>please direct responses to glb...@usc.edu