Don't buy a tent trailer, the bear will eat you
DTT
What do you think? Ever worry about security while sleeping in a tent
trailer? What would you do to protect your family?
Howard Page
Or stay still ,keep your food,candy... up a tree away from your tent and car
and you'll be fine. Like most wild animals they normally only attack if
provoked.
"DTT" <dtms...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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the old anarchist
to get to the food? that hardside RV is nothing stronger. there are
specific rules for camping in bear country. and if you don't follow them,
then you deserve it.
the old anarchist
"Howard Page" <howar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Buzz Chandler
> provoked.
You don't know much about wild animals, do you?
lfm
We have used our tent trailer in bear country. Many of the CGs have bear
boxes - large metal storage boxes to keep food, etc. A bit of a pain, but
solves the problem.
BTW, a ranger at Yosemite said he never knew of a bear braking into a tent
trailer, but he wasn't sure why. He thinks they may think they are real
trailers, and don't bother, preferring to go for the tents. But as people
behave in a more responsible way around the bears, they become less of a
problem.
Laura
"DTT" <dtms...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sean
unattended ie washroom run, beach, town run whatever, you WILL leave your
site bare. Only the tent chairs and air matress can be out. No sleeping
bags stoves, totes anything. If the park ranger come by and there is no one
around they will pack up your stuff into the truck and leave a note saying
it is in a lock up at the gate and you can get it as you leave the
park.....yes an eviction notice. No bear problems for a few years
now...they are still in the campsite area but they have nothing of interest
to play with.
And BTW a bear will attack if unprovoked.
Sean
"lfm" <lf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jim Allday
We've camped many, many nights in Bear Country. No problems.
In Sequoia two years ago, on our first night, the family next to us
barbecued Carne Asada in the rear of their minivan. Bears must have thought
this was the Disneyland of bear country. Broke into the minivan thru the
back gate AND the drivers door that night. For the next 5 nights every
vehicle that camped there had bear "problems". One RV actually had the
driver's door pulled completely off while they were inside, around 2AM. Why
didn't they bother us and our canvas tent trailer? Probably just the good
ol' common sense practices Laura and others refer too.
Are bears aggressive? Will they attack unprovoked? I guess anything can
happen, but first of all there are black bears and there are brown bears,
brown bears being more commonly called grizzly bears. I understand grizzlies
can attack. On the other hand, I can't remember even hearing of a black bear
attacking unprovoked, or even provoked for that matter, even in the "get
between the mother and her cub" scenario. And grizzlies are limited to a
very small part of the country and Canada.
I've logged maybe 1000 miles back packing and Joan has maybe 600 miles.
We've encountered so many bears that they're just another outdoor experience
to us. We did have one terrifying night with a threatening bear. He got to
our poorly stashed food and in the middle of eating just upped and left. I
went to salvage what I could but it seems the bear just went to the river
for some water and when he returned found me sitting in the middle of "his
food". He reared up on his hind legs, growled and snorted a lot and we spent
the next several hours on a big rock some distance away watching him dine.
Hell, I would have fetched him some more water by then if he would have
asked. Was he provoked? From his perspective, probably. Did he attack? No,
but he sure knew how to express his displeasure.
Bottom line - use common sense, follow the advice freely given by rangers in
ANY campground with bear populations, and bears will be just another
experience to anyone lucky enough to see one.
Jim
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Jim & Joan Allday
Thousand Oaks, CA
2000 Coleman Cheyenne
2000 GMC Yukon
----- Original Message -----
From: lfm
Newsgroups: alt.rv.pop-up-trailers
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Don't buy a tent trailer, the bear will eat you
Silly Ad!
We have used our tent trailer in bear country. Many of the CGs have bear
boxes - large metal storage boxes to keep food, etc. A bit of a pain, but
solves the problem
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Glen & Evelyn
break-ins by bears to RV's vs tent trailers. I've never received a
response. I've also never heard of a tent trailer being broken into by a
bear.
All bears are capable of breaking into cars if they want to. You can
imagine how easy a average RV is to break into with their plastic and
styrofom sides and doors. Now consider that the occupants of the big RV
have probabaly cooked smelly meats such as bacon recently inside their
trailer. They have a freezer so they will cook more of that type of thing.
They will also be more likely to cook indoors since only a small number of
trailers and motor homes come with outside stoves. Imagine what the bear
thinks of all those smells that linger inside that trailer. Now consider
the tent trailer. Almost always the meals are cooked outside. Any indoor
smells are more quickly removed because of the large windowns and breathable
fabric. The bear comes by, and not being technically minded, doesn't know
at first which one is easier to break into. He does know which one smells
the best to him though, and it isn't the tent trailer! That is my theory
anyway.
Glen
Gears
Algonquin count as bear country?)
Would the bear stay away from a campsite with the smell/sound/sight of a dog
or would that make the bear more aggressive?
What would happen if the dog started barking/growling at the bear?
Gears
"Glen & Evelyn" <gb...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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Geoff Lowry
> I bring my dog camping, but I have not been in real bear country (does
> Algonquin count as bear country?)
> Would the bear stay away from a campsite with the smell/sound/sight of a dog
> or would that make the bear more aggressive?
> What would happen if the dog started barking/growling at the bear?
> Gears
>
Two years ago we were camping in northern Manitoba in a provinical park,
and the attendant came around and asked us if we had seen a bear poking
around. The people the next site over from us apparently had bear
problems, and the attendant said that because we had a dog with us, the
bear would probably leave us alone. <shrug>
The next day we were making a town run, and had to stop as a black bear
wandered across the road about 10 km north of the campground.
--
Geoff & Kathy
'00 Sonoma
'01 Dutchmen
Winnipeg, Manitoba
http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~geoff1/camping.htm
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<shawves...@comcast.net> wrote:
>that was just advertising hype. have you ever seen a car that a bear opened
>to get to the food? that hardside RV is nothing stronger. there are
>specific rules for camping in bear country. and if you don't follow them,
>then you deserve it.
Well, in all honesty, a hard sider would at the least make food harder
to smell, I would think.
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the old anarchist
of a bear ripping off a car door. of course, it was a big western bear,
brown or grizzly. they smell very well. food is best put up in a tree.
zipped locked bags, doubled. and the bag is a 'sea' or 'bear' bag. the
neoprene with a folding top. no food. absolutely no food where you sleep. no
water. no gum. no medicene. nothing that could be food stuffs. bears are
noctural, you are dinural. you loose in the wrestling match.
sorry. took 25 boys up into beartooth wilderness. we had to be ever
vigilant.
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eflorack
> the hard sider isn't sealed as well as a car.
True. but the point of it being better sealed than a tent camper still
seems valid, although I agree the final result may well end up being
the same.
Steve Silverwood
bit...@rochester.rr.com says...
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 06:24:19 -0500, "the old anarchist"
> <shawves...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >that was just advertising hype. have you ever seen a car that a bear opened
> >to get to the food? that hardside RV is nothing stronger. there are
> >specific rules for camping in bear country. and if you don't follow them,
> >then you deserve it.
>
> Well, in all honesty, a hard sider would at the least make food harder
> to smell, I would think.
Not necessarily. See my other post in this thread.
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Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
'97 Voyager minivan towing '96 Jayco 8' Eagle tent trailer
Email: kb6...@arrl.net
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve
Steve Silverwood
shawves...@comcast.net says...
> that was just advertising hype. have you ever seen a car that a bear opened
> to get to the food? that hardside RV is nothing stronger. there are
> specific rules for camping in bear country. and if you don't follow them,
> then you deserve it.
Agreed. Last time I stayed in "bear country" -- Sequoia National Park
up in Northern California -- the rangers told us that the bears could
smell stuff inside a parked car with all the windows rolled up, and they
could open up a car like a beer can. So I suspect that they would be
able to smell stuff inside a hard-side RV just as easily.
Also, it doesn't have to be FOOD that they smell, just something that
has a scent. The rangers told us that they will pursue just about
anything, including detergent, fabric softener, and cleaning fluids.
So if the rangers tell you to store your stuff in a bear-proof locker,
DO IT.