Comments on Coleman vs Starcraft
Dell Phinus
happy with any of them. We found a floor plan we liked
(Starcraft Galaxy) and a price we liked (Colemans were way high
in our area). Find one you like, at a dealer you like, at a
price you like, and don't worry about the brand.
I'd buy Starcraft again, and if I found a Coleman at the right
price, I'd buy it too. Or Jayco, or...
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and renting several (travel and pop-up's) over the last few years. We would
like to hear what you may have to say regarding the Coleman and Starcraft
models - especially the larger, high-end, versions.
I've taken a quick look at a few models of each and am leaning towards
Coleman.
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Lee
Glen & Evelyn
disadvantages. We nearly bought a Starcraft but we couldn't get the price
we wanted. We also found the counters to be quite low as only the sink is
raised up. We really liked the Rockwood but the dealer was questionable
and they didn't have the model we wanted. We ended up buying a Coleman.
The main factor was that we liked the floorplan and thought that the resale
value might hold up a bit better. Our old trailer was a Jayco and we're
still "Jayco people" but we're also starting to really warm up to this
Coleman.
Buy the one that feels right and forget the name, that's my suggestion.
P.S. We really would have liked that bunk end shelf that Starcrafts come
with.
Glen
2001 Mesa
Mark J Strawcutter
>with.
Talk to your Coleman dealer. They're available.
Mark J Strawcutter
Indiana PA
'97 Coleman Key West (with a bunk end shelf)
Jeff Miller
here before, you decision should be based more on the floorplan that fits your
likes/needs, and the dealer that you buy from.
Good luck!!
Jeff Miller
1999 Starcraft Galaxy
Glen & Evelyn
Yes but I've never actually seen one so I wonder if they're made properly.
They must be useful and "transparent" so that you don't have to do anything
extra to set them up or take them down.
mrw...@my-deja.com
a coin toss with the Starcraft.
Good luck,
Don Crandall
99 Coleman Santa Fe
In article <4BNf5.10066$RG6.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Lee Inman" <l...@noemail.please> wrote:
> My wife and I have decided on purchasing a pop-up trailer after tent
camping
> and renting several (travel and pop-up's) over the last few years. We
would
> like to hear what you may have to say regarding the Coleman and
Starcraft
> models - especially the larger, high-end, versions.
>
> I've taken a quick look at a few models of each and am leaning towards
> Coleman.
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> Lee
>
>
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Before you buy.
Jim and Linda King
love some of the unique features of the Coleman line, and the Bayside gives
tons of room inside, between the slide out dinette and the bay window galley.
Please feel free to email me if you want more specific info.
Linda King
Fleetville, PA
'93 Chevy Suburban
'99 Coleman Bayside
ShelaghS
<gb...@planet.eon.net> writes:
If you are refering to the shelving units at the end of the bunks, they are
attached to the 'bow' that folds up into position at the end of the bunk.(
Nothing extra required once installed)
Shelagh Stuart
'99 Coleman Utah
Ford F150
Jim and Linda King
there (some books, a battery operated Coleman lantern, and misc. small items)
I'd be willing to pay whatever high price I'm sure they cost! But I'm afraid
they might be too flimsy to be much good, and our dealer doesn't have any to
actually look at. Anyone have one of the Coleman ones, and how do you like it?
Does it stay attached while the camper is folded up?
Glen & Evelyn
ShelaghS <shel...@aol.comNOJNKSVP> wrote in message
news:20000728081301...@nso-cc.aol.com...
BethK
love2...@cs.com (Jim and Linda King) wrote:
> If I really thought the bunk end shelf was sturdy enough to hold what
I'd want
> there (some books, a battery operated Coleman lantern, and misc. small
items)
> I'd be willing to pay whatever high price I'm sure they cost!
Linda, we have one. It's about 6 inches deep and has a "lip" on both
sides so things won't fall off. It's pretty sturdy and would hold the
things you mentioned with no problem. We use ours for a box of tissues,
books, eyeglasses, etc. I think we paid either $30 or $40 installed.
--
Beth
'99 Coleman Sea Pine
BethK
"Lee Inman" <l...@noemail.please> wrote:
> We
would
> like to hear what you may have to say regarding the Coleman and
Starcraft
> models - especially the larger, high-end, versions.
Lee, I don't think you could go wrong with either brand. Base your
decision on the features you need/like, and the quality of your dealer.
We really liked some of the Starcrafts but Coleman was the final choice
for us. Specifically, we were drawn to the user-friendly (some might say
idiot-proof) features, like the permanently attached bed supports, the
wider one-piece door, larger step, and counter-height swing-down galley.
Whichever you choose, be sure you deal with a reputable dealer who has a
good service record. And enjoy!
star...@my-deja.com
made,everything works perfectly,I have air conditioning& the works,no
trouble with anything it is easy to handle on the road,I have a 1999
Dodge Dakota,It is
a midsize truck&it handles my camper well.
Now for the downside of all pop-ups,cranking up the roof,pulling out
the beds,leveling of the trailer,when I bought my camper I didn't figure
on all the set-up jobs,I think that a trailer would be better for me,
I have osteoarthritis.Im sure there are drawbacks on the trailer too.
Sixpopuppers
what we would do without it. 3 of our kids sleep on that king
sized bed that has the shelf. Their duffle bags go on the
shelf. Thus, when they wake up in the AM, they just reach up
and get their clothes for the day. So convenient and holds a
lot. It is very sturdy and automatically folds when you slide
the bed in.
Kris
1998 Astro
1997 Starcraft Starlounge
visit my website: http://www.homestead.com/sixpoppers/
Mark Filice
hold what I'd want
>there (some books, a battery operated Coleman lantern, and
Linda:
I have a shelf on the king size side of my Starcraft (came as
standard equipment). It is very sturdy. I put our duffel bags
with our clothes up there--no problem. Mine will hold what you
you are planning on putting there--no problem.
If only I could get the dogs to sleep up there ;-)
Mark Filice
1999 Starcraft Starflyer
1990 Ford Ranger
"'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to an
internet newsgroup and remove all doubt."
Glen & Evelyn
automatic like on a Starcraft?
Glen
01 Mesa
98 Explorer
BethK <be...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8ls54d$h3n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <20000728093308...@ng-cr1.news.cs.com>,
> love2...@cs.com (Jim and Linda King) wrote:
> > If I really thought the bunk end shelf was sturdy enough to hold what
> I'd want
> > there (some books, a battery operated Coleman lantern, and misc. small
> items)
> > I'd be willing to pay whatever high price I'm sure they cost!
>
> Linda, we have one. It's about 6 inches deep and has a "lip" on both
> sides so things won't fall off. It's pretty sturdy and would hold the
> things you mentioned with no problem. We use ours for a box of tissues,
> books, eyeglasses, etc. I think we paid either $30 or $40 installed.
>
> --
> Beth
> '99 Coleman Sea Pine
>
>
BethK
"Glen & Evelyn" <gb...@planet.eon.net> wrote:
> Do you have to fold it up separately when closing the trailer or is it
> automatic like on a Starcraft?
It (the bed shelf) folds up by itself and rests on the mattress when the
U-shaped tent support is folded down. I always check to make sure it
isn't caught in the tenting before I push the bed in.
Roy and Kathy 2000 Niagra
later was at the lake. Set up easily and every item worked. Already
have 2 more trips scheduled. The Coleman is wonderfull!!
Happy in Texas!
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comments.
I went back to a couple of dealers and NOW I've noticed the lightweight
trailers -- the ones that look like pop-up's, but don't (popup). They have
beds at each end like a pop-up, but are full-height trailers. I've looked at
Starcraft and Trail-Light models and am so far very impressed. They are
generally lighter or comparable (even in price) to pop-up's and offer much
the same features.
I apologize if this is off-topic for this newsgroup, but want to hear if any
of you have experience with this type of trailer.
Thanks again for your responses.
Lee and Shirley
95 Yukon
No camper (yet)
Glen & Evelyn
isn't everything. A friend of mine rented one to tow with his Jimmy with a
4.3 (or so) litre engine. He said it was fine on a nice day but when there
was a head wind he couldn't get it above 80 kph (50 mph). That is one of
the reasons that we stayed with a pop-up when we upgraded.
Shirley Brooks <noemai...@thisplace.com> wrote in message
news:JRpg5.2127$ZL5.1...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
ShelaghS
>I think we paid either $30 or $40 installed.<<
Ow!! Oh Beth, I just priced them here and they're $95.00 CAD at our local
dealer......and that doesn't include 'installation' such as it is! So to answer
your question, Glen (or Evelyn!) No, we don't have one....:-( But I'd take
that shelf in a heartbeat over the Vanity Mate...just would suit us better. I
expect I'll break down soon and buy one but it does seem a HECK of a lot of
money for what it must cost them to manufacture.
grdn...@my-deja.com
Jeff Miller <jeff...@ibm.net> wrote:
> Although I am partial to Starcraft, I believe both are nice products.
As stated
> here before, you decision should be based more on the floorplan that
fits your
> likes/needs, and the dealer that you buy from.
> Good luck!!
> Jeff Miller
> 1999 Starcraft Galaxy
>
>
> > My wife and I have decided on purchasing a pop-up trailer after
tent camping
> > and renting several (travel and pop-up's) over the last few years.
> > like to hear what you may have to say regarding the Coleman and
Starcraft
> > models - especially the larger, high-end, versions.
> >
towards
> > Coleman.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your comments.
> >
> > Lee
>
>
different manufacturers. We chose the Starcraft Galaxy because of the
floor plan. We really love the fact that we have the couch and the u
shaped dining area to sit on when we come inside. We were parked next
to a beautiful Coleman with a slide out dining area and a slide out
kitchen area too, but not much actual sitting area inside. It had lots
more floor space though and seemed real roomy! Just think of what your
family will need most....with all our kids and dog we needed the extra
seating/sleeping space. The people with the Coleman were just a couple
and it was perfect for them!
Good Luck!
--
Tina and Seth
3 kids and 1 dog
1999 Starcraft Galaxy
1990 GMC Suburban
Jim and Linda King
>sides so things won't fall off. It's pretty sturdy and would hold the
>things you mentioned with no problem. We use ours for a box of tissues,
>
>--
>Beth
>'99 Coleman Sea Pine
Thanks, Beth. This definitely sounds like something we'd be interested in.
Especially for the kids bunk!
Randy
same family). From this newsgroup, it appears that Coleman at least
stands behind their product.
I currently own a 1996 Jayco 1406 with a sagging roof that Jayco
refuses to do anything about. I have had it to the dealer, written
letters, sent a video, talked to several people at Jayco - all to no
avail. In their opinion, if it isn't leaking, it doesn't need to be
fixed. I'd hate to see someone else get stuck with a problem camper
that the company refuses to stand behind.
Randy Crowder
Jayco 1406
In article <4BNf5.10066$RG6.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Lee Inman" <l...@noemail.please> wrote:
> My wife and I have decided on purchasing a pop-up trailer after tent
camping
> and renting several (travel and pop-up's) over the last few years. We
would
> like to hear what you may have to say regarding the Coleman and
Starcraft
> models - especially the larger, high-end, versions.
>
> I've taken a quick look at a few models of each and am leaning towards
> Coleman.
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> Lee
>
>
Mark Filice
>I'd look somewhere besides Starcraft or Jayco (both are owned
by the
>same family). From this newsgroup, it appears that Coleman at
least
>stands behind their product.
>
I see that you are a recent poster to this NG, based on your
posting history. I would ask that you do a search on
www.deja.com or www.remarq.com about "roof sag" in this
newsgroup.
There are a lot of postings about Coleman models. There should
be. They have the largest share of the market, so there are
going to be more postings about them. If you read through the
threads, you will find that some owners are on their 3rd (or
more) roofs. Still, Coleman make one of the best (and certainly
most popular) pop ups on the market today.
Not all Coleman owners are as lucky as some are. If they are not
the original owner, they could be out of luck, as the lifetime
warranty only extends to the orginal purchaser. Some have had
braces installed that may/may not have corrected the problem.
Jayco and Starcraft have had very few (if any) posts about roof
sag. There was a problem on some Jayco models with cracking end
caps, but no long threads about Jayco roofs sagging.
Since I own a Starcraft, I pay attention to rants about them. I
do not recollect EVER seeing a post about roof sag on a
Starcraft. Other things, yes. Roof sag--no!
I have been posting/reading this group for well over a year.
Every time someone posts a bad review on a particular brand,
flames erupt. Every time someone starts a "my pop up <brand> is
best" thread, it turns into a long thread arguing back and forth.
There are Coleman,Jayco,Starcraft,Dutchman,Flagstaff,Aliner, and
Chalet (and many more models) owners out there that are
satisfied with their pop ups--and some that are not.
There is another long-time poster who has had multiple roofs
replaced on his Coleman. He has posted in the past that he
wished he had bought a Jayco instead.
Is he right? Are you right? Who knows?
But to group all of a manufacturer's pop ups into a group and
say they are bad is simply not true. For all we know, you could
be a Coleman salesperson with a vendetta because you lost a deal
to the Jayco salesperson.....
Randy
Mark Filice <m_filice...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Randy <crow...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >I'd look somewhere besides Starcraft or Jayco (both are owned
> by the
> >same family). From this newsgroup, it appears that Coleman at
> least
> >stands behind their product.
> >
> Randy:
>
> I see that you are a recent poster to this NG, based on your
> posting history. I would ask that you do a search on
> www.deja.com or www.remarq.com about "roof sag" in this
> newsgroup.
>
newsgroups and well aware of how to search. Also, there was a post
less than a week ago from someone having the same problem with Jayco
that I am. Note I say problem with Jayco... the issue is not that the
roof is sagging. The issue is that they say unless it is leaking, they
won't fix it! First owner or not! Consumers should know when a
company has this attitude.
> There are a lot of postings about Coleman models. There should
> be. They have the largest share of the market, so there are
> going to be more postings about them. If you read through the
> threads, you will find that some owners are on their 3rd (or
> more) roofs. Still, Coleman make one of the best (and certainly
> most popular) pop ups on the market today.
My point exactly. At least Coleman will admit and try to fix the
problem.
>
> Not all Coleman owners are as lucky as some are. If they are not
> the original owner, they could be out of luck, as the lifetime
> warranty only extends to the orginal purchaser. Some have had
> braces installed that may/may not have corrected the problem.
>
I have read posts from second owners who have had their roof fixed
and/or replaced.
> Jayco and Starcraft have had very few (if any) posts about roof
> sag. There was a problem on some Jayco models with cracking end
> caps, but no long threads about Jayco roofs sagging.
>
My end cap has cracked also. They also declined to fix that!
> Since I own a Starcraft, I pay attention to rants about them. I
> do not recollect EVER seeing a post about roof sag on a
> Starcraft. Other things, yes. Roof sag--no!
>
> I have been posting/reading this group for well over a year.
> Every time someone posts a bad review on a particular brand,
> flames erupt. Every time someone starts a "my pop up <brand> is
> best" thread, it turns into a long thread arguing back and forth.
>
> There are Coleman,Jayco,Starcraft,Dutchman,Flagstaff,Aliner, and
> Chalet (and many more models) owners out there that are
> satisfied with their pop ups--and some that are not.
>
> There is another long-time poster who has had multiple roofs
> replaced on his Coleman. He has posted in the past that he
> wished he had bought a Jayco instead.
>
> Is he right? Are you right? Who knows?
Every product will have problems, at least Coleman has tried. This is
more than Jayco has done.
>
> But to group all of a manufacturer's pop ups into a group and
> say they are bad is simply not true. For all we know, you could
> be a Coleman salesperson with a vendetta because you lost a deal
> to the Jayco salesperson.....
>
VIN number is 1UJAJ02H2T1BR0471. Not sure what how else I can prove
I'm legit. I think my Jayco is a great camper. What I dislike is a
company that refuses to stand behind their product. This is exactly
what Jayco is doing!
> Mark Filice
> 1999 Starcraft Starflyer
> 1990 Ford Ranger
>
> "'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to an
> internet newsgroup and remove all doubt."
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Dino
>I see that you are a recent poster to this NG, based on your
>posting history. I would ask that you do a search on
>www.deja.com or www.remarq.com about "roof sag" in this
>newsgroup.
So now Dino must interject...
I see that Mark is some kind of sleuth detective. I also see that Mark
must hold tight to the "roof sag" issue. Is this to validate his decision
to buy another brand? I don't know...but it sure sounds suspicious!
Does anyone really know how MINOR the roof sag issue is?! I'm sure
there were a couple of bad roofs early on, but a 1/4" of sag hurts
NOTHING. But, some people need something to complain about.
Now Marks says...
>There are a lot of postings about Coleman models. There should
>be. They have the largest share of the market, so there are
>going to be more postings about them. If you read through the
>threads, you will find that some owners are on their 3rd (or
>more) roofs. Still, Coleman make one of the best (and certainly
>most popular) pop ups on the market today.
and Dino says...
The first three sentences are correct and true, but look where we go
back to on the fourth sentence..."roof sag". Then, we, as the reader,
are brought right back up with the last sentence. What is my problem
you ask? Its the constant "roof sag" diatribe! Its NOT as bad as
many claim it to be!
Now Mark bashes Coleman more by stating...
>Not all Coleman owners are as lucky as some are. If they are not
>the original owner, they could be out of luck, as the lifetime
>warranty only extends to the orginal purchaser. Some have had
>braces installed that may/may not have corrected the problem.
So here is Dino again with...
This warranty, while stupid and I do NOT agree with it, is NOT limited
to Coleman. But we all already know this.
OK, now Mark will pump himself up by validating his decision to buy a
Starcraft...
>Jayco and Starcraft have had very few (if any) posts about roof
>sag. There was a problem on some Jayco models with cracking end
>caps, but no long threads about Jayco roofs sagging.
So Dino says...
I would suspect that Jayco and Starcraft owners WHINE LESS. We all
know that ALL the manufactures have their share of problems! It just
seems that Coleman owners talk about it more (unless you own a Dutchman!)
and Mark says...
>Since I own a Starcraft, I pay attention to rants about them. I
>do not recollect EVER seeing a post about roof sag on a
>Starcraft. Other things, yes. Roof sag--no!
and Dino says...
Mark, you bought a great trailer! If the readers bought a Coleman,
they too have bought a great trailer. This also goes for Jayco,
Rockwood, etc...
Then Mark makes a statement about the VERY THING he is doing now!
>I have been posting/reading this group for well over a year.
>Every time someone posts a bad review on a particular brand,
>flames erupt. Every time someone starts a "my pop up <brand> is
>best" thread, it turns into a long thread arguing back and forth.
Dino has no comment on this one.
OK, Mark says quite eloquently...
>There are Coleman,Jayco,Starcraft,Dutchman,Flagstaff,Aliner, and
>Chalet (and many more models) owners out there that are
>satisfied with their pop ups--and some that are not.
Dino says...YEP!
Mark goes back to...
>There is another long-time poster who has had multiple roofs
>replaced on his Coleman. He has posted in the past that he
>wished he had bought a Jayco instead.
Now Dino says...
I guess this thing will never die. "Roof sag" is the buzz word!
I tell you something else too...I will NEVER get used to hearing it!
I wish it would die...its a NON issue really. Most "roof sag" problems
were from customers putting tarps over their trailers which amplified
the heat and actually WARPPED the roof. Yes, it was a bad design amplified
by user error. Coleman took steps to fix the roof and also published
information in the manuals NOT to cover the trailer with tarps. Not
every new roof will be perfect, nor is anything for that matter. The
warranty covers this. Its like the axle warranty, and battery warranty,
etc.
Then Mark says...
>Is he right? Are you right? Who knows?
>
>But to group all of a manufacturer's pop ups into a group and
>say they are bad is simply not true. For all we know, you could
>be a Coleman salesperson with a vendetta because you lost a deal
>to the Jayco salesperson.....
Dino chimes in with...
And for all we know you could be the third shooter behind the grassy knoll.
Unless I'm missing the majority of his post, what I read does not seem
to state that he is a Coleman salesman.
Then Marks sig file says...
>"'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to an
>internet newsgroup and remove all doubt."
How can Dino NOT say...
Yep Mark! I couldn't have said it better myself.!
I would suggest that you try to drop the bashing and leave the old roof
sag issue alone. Its as bad as all the Columbine shooting crap the media
in Denver will not let die. Coleman did the right thing by fixing the
manufacturing problem and standing behind the earlier faulty units. You
should be hailing them and not bashing them.
And so the record is straight, I own a 1969 Vista Liner. I do not own
a Coleman, nor have I ever. If you want to see roof sag, look at my
trailer! Is it an issue with me...NO! Except for the occasional pooling
of water (that dries up in a couple of hours), I have had NO problems!
If you own a Coleman, stop whining about the sag (90% is MINIMAL) and
have your dealer fix it! Then come out here and talk GOOD about the
warranty and how well you were taking care of.
I'm done with my rant and I don't mean to pick on Mark directly. His post
was MY final straw and I used him to make my point.
Mark owns a good trailer (much better then mine, for sure!). Lets
talk about our experience with our trailer and stop bashing the rest.
If you have a beef with YOUR trailer and want to say so, then do so!
This will make you a better poster!
Notice MY post was dealing with the bashing issue. No trailers
(except for mine) have been harmed by this post.
Have a great day!
Dino
Barb
Not fair, I have a Starcraft and I have nothing TO whine about.
Barb- Nature lover and camper!
Mark Filice
>So now Dino must interject...
>I see that Mark is some kind of sleuth detective. I also see
that Mark
>must hold tight to the "roof sag" issue. Is this to validate
his decision
>to buy another brand? I don't know...but it sure sounds
suspicious!
>
mind and deciphering my posts. I didn't know squat about pop ups
when I bought my Starcraft--I found this NG after buying mine.
If you go back and search MY posting history (which can be done
using my newsreader, remarq.com), I have said numerous times the
reason I bought a Starcraft over a Jayco or Coleman was dealer
location--the Starcraft dealer is 5 or so miles from my house.
>Does anyone really know how MINOR the roof sag issue is?! I'm
sure
>there were a couple of bad roofs early on, but a 1/4" of sag
hurts
>NOTHING. But, some people need something to complain about.
>
The roof sag issue (again using the search on remarq.com)
affects about 10% of the pop ups that Coleman makes. This is the
percentage that Coleman admits to.
>Now Marks says...
>>There are a lot of postings about Coleman models. There should
>>be. They have the largest share of the market, so there are
>>going to be more postings about them. If you read through the
>>threads, you will find that some owners are on their 3rd (or
>>more) roofs. Still, Coleman make one of the best (and certainly
>>most popular) pop ups on the market today.
>
>
>and Dino says...
>The first three sentences are correct and true, but look where
we go
>back to on the fourth sentence..."roof sag". Then, we, as the
reader,
>are brought right back up with the last sentence. What is my
problem
>you ask? Its the constant "roof sag" diatribe! Its NOT as bad
as
>many claim it to be!
I would ask that you use your newsreader and look up a frequent
poster with the same first name as mine. I think he is on his
3rd or 4th roof, and it is showing signs of sag. Go to him and
tell him it isn't as bad as he thinks it is....
>
>Now Mark bashes Coleman more by stating...
>>Not all Coleman owners are as lucky as some are. If they are
not
>>the original owner, they could be out of luck, as the lifetime
>>warranty only extends to the orginal purchaser. Some have had
>>braces installed that may/may not have corrected the problem.
>
>
>So here is Dino again with...
>This warranty, while stupid and I do NOT agree with it, is NOT
limited
>to Coleman. But we all already know this.
>
My point was that Coleman has an obvious manufacturing defect in
some roofs. They should extend the warranty to the second, third
and fourth owners so that this defect is covered.
>OK, now Mark will pump himself up by validating his decision to
buy a
>Starcraft...
>>Jayco and Starcraft have had very few (if any) posts about roof
>>sag. There was a problem on some Jayco models with cracking end
>>caps, but no long threads about Jayco roofs sagging.
>
>
>So Dino says...
>I would suspect that Jayco and Starcraft owners WHINE LESS. We
all
>know that ALL the manufactures have their share of problems!
Dino--use your search capability again. You will find that since
there are many, many more Coleman owners than any other brand
(or all brands combined), there exists the very real probability
that there are going to be more complaints (and praises) than
for any other brand.
>seems that Coleman owners talk about it more (unless you own a
Dutchman!)
>
Yes, this is one thing that we can agree on.
>and Mark says...
>>Since I own a Starcraft, I pay attention to rants about them. I
>>do not recollect EVER seeing a post about roof sag on a
>>Starcraft. Other things, yes. Roof sag--no!
>
>
>and Dino says...
>Mark, you bought a great trailer! If the readers bought a
Coleman,
>they too have bought a great trailer. This also goes for Jayco,
>Rockwood, etc...
>
I said the same thing later in the post.
>Then Mark makes a statement about the VERY THING he is doing
now!
>>I have been posting/reading this group for well over a year.
>>Every time someone posts a bad review on a particular brand,
>>flames erupt. Every time someone starts a "my pop up <brand> is
>>best" thread, it turns into a long thread arguing back and
forth.
>
>
>
>OK, Mark says quite eloquently...
>>There are Coleman,Jayco,Starcraft,Dutchman,Flagstaff,Aliner,
and
>>Chalet (and many more models) owners out there that are
>>satisfied with their pop ups--and some that are not.
>
>
>Dino says...YEP!
>
>
>Mark goes back to...
>>There is another long-time poster who has had multiple roofs
>>replaced on his Coleman. He has posted in the past that he
>>wished he had bought a Jayco instead.
>
>
>Now Dino says...
>I guess this thing will never die. "Roof sag" is the buzz word!
>I tell you something else too...I will NEVER get used to
hearing it!
>I wish it would die...its a NON issue really. Most "roof sag"
problems
Also, when you use remarq.com, you can simply skip over posts
that you don't want to read. If it says roof sag, don't read it.
Better yet, you can click on "ignore" and never see it again!
Heck, you can even killfile me and never see MY posts again...
>were from customers putting tarps over their trailers which
amplified
>the heat and actually WARPPED the roof. Yes, it was a bad
design amplified
>by user error. Coleman took steps to fix the roof and also
published
>information in the manuals NOT to cover the trailer with
tarps. Not
>every new roof will be perfect, nor is anything for that
matter. The
>warranty covers this. Its like the axle warranty, and battery
warranty,
>etc.
Go back and study the subject again. There is no ONE
overwhelming reason why the roofs sag. Tarps/no tarps, heat/no
heat, garaged/left in the open, etc.--not one common thread on
the cause of roof sag--other than the manufacturing process
being defective.
>
>
>Then Mark says...
>>Is he right? Are you right? Who knows?
>>
>>But to group all of a manufacturer's pop ups into a group and
>>say they are bad is simply not true. For all we know, you could
>>be a Coleman salesperson with a vendetta because you lost a
deal
>>to the Jayco salesperson.....
>
>
>Dino chimes in with...
>And for all we know you could be the third shooter behind the
grassy knoll.
>Unless I'm missing the majority of his post, what I read does
not seem
>to state that he is a Coleman salesman.
>
I was a little boy in California when JFK was shot..
>
>Then Marks sig file says...
>>"'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to
an
>>internet newsgroup and remove all doubt."
>
>
>How can Dino NOT say...
>Yep Mark! I couldn't have said it better myself.!
>
Then why didn't you? I just happend to modernize a saying from
another president who was shot--Abraham Lincoln.
>I would suggest that you try to drop the bashing and leave the
old roof
>sag issue alone. Its as bad as all the Columbine shooting crap
the media
>in Denver will not let die. Coleman did the right thing by
fixing the
>manufacturing problem and standing behind the earlier faulty
units. You
>should be hailing them and not bashing them.
But only for the original owners....
>
>And so the record is straight, I own a 1969 Vista Liner. I do
not own
>a Coleman, nor have I ever. If you want to see roof sag, look
at my
>trailer! Is it an issue with me...NO! Except for the
occasional pooling
>of water (that dries up in a couple of hours), I have had NO
problems!
>
>If you own a Coleman, stop whining about the sag (90% is
MINIMAL) and
>have your dealer fix it! Then come out here and talk GOOD
about the
>warranty and how well you were taking care of.
Yeah, tell that to the person who just dropped $7K plus on an RV
that their roof is now bad--people are mad, and they have a
right to be.
>
>I'm done with my rant and I don't mean to pick on Mark
directly. His post
>was MY final straw and I used him to make my point.
You did a pretty damn good job of picking on me.
>
>Mark owns a good trailer (much better then mine, for sure!).
Lets
>talk about our experience with our trailer and stop bashing the
rest.
>If you have a beef with YOUR trailer and want to say so, then
do so!
>This will make you a better poster!
>
Thanks for the advice--after bashing the crap outta me, you then
counsel me--really nice people skills you have.
>Notice MY post was dealing with the bashing issue. No trailers
>(except for mine) have been harmed by this post.
>
Nice rant--who are you going to stab next?
Mark
1999 Starcraft Starflyer
1990 Ford Ranger
"Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to an
internet newgroup and remove all doubt."
Mark Filice
>I would ask that you use your newsreader and look up a frequent
>poster with the same first name as mine. I think he is on his
>3rd or 4th roof, and it is showing signs of sag. Go to him and
>tell him it isn't as bad as he thinks it is....
>
News Flash! There is another thread titled "Roof Number 5?"
Would you please go tell the other "Mark" about how his rant is
unwarranted because Coleman keeps replacing his roof?
Mark Filice
1999 Starcraft Starflyer
1990 Ford Ranger
"'Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to post to an
internet newsgroup and remove all doubt."
Jim and Linda King
>to a beautiful Coleman with a slide out dining area and a slide out
>kitchen area too, but not much actual sitting area inside. It had lots
>more floor space though and seemed real roomy!
Hmmm, sounds like a Bayside, but we have sitting room - the dinette, as well as
a couch across the rear.
JACKELL99
model... mine I replace this year....roof fell in, elec never worked, ....he
has had no trouble with his...looking again but not at Starcraft.....
Phil Shea
on it a few times. We let the kids sleep at the end with the shelf.
Phil
In article <GhOf5.47709$FQ.52...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
"Glen & Evelyn" <gb...@planet.eon.net> wrote:
> P.S. We really would have liked that bunk end shelf that Starcrafts
come
> with.
>
> Glen
> 2001 Mesa