Jayco vs. Coleman - input please
The Coffins
and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so nearly equal
I'm having a hard time deciding.
Which is better?
confounded
Mark J Strawcutter
>and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so nearly equal
>I'm having a hard time deciding.
Unless the Sea Pine has had the roof replaced with the new design, I'd
go with the Jayco.
Mark J Strawcutter
Indiana PA
'97 Coleman Key West
LynneJacob
get the current owner to work with Fleetwood, but that may be to much deal
with.
Don't assume just because the roof isn't sagging now, it won't happen in the
future.
Good Luck!
Lynne
'97 Coleman Cheyenne
Jim and Linda King
>and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so nearly equal
>I'm having a hard time deciding.
>
confounded
>
97 Coleman: if it has not had the roof replaced, since you will obviously not
be the original owner, you may end up with roof sag, and the expense to replace
it. That would be my only hesitation there.
the Jayco-my only negative would be the surge brakes. They are generally
designed for boats (water applications) and I'm not sure why Jayco is the only
popup manufacturer to use them. I know our Astro book tells us not to use
those type of trailer brakes. Also-you cannot use a sway control device with
surge brakes.. Yeah, yeah, I know some of you will say, "Mine has never
swayed, and I don't need a sway control device". BUT-not every Jayco is the
same weight, and same weight distribution. Not everyone loads theirs the same
way. Sometimes you must carry water in the tank, and if it's rear of the axle,
that's not the best situation. Also-not every tow vehicle is created equal.
All of that to say - sometimes one may need a sway control device, and when you
buy a Jayco, you have just been limited by the manufacturer to never be able to
use one.
Don't get mad Jayco owners-just my opinion. Just like Starcraft-when you buy
one of those, you can never use a weight distributing hitch (without voiding
the warranty anyway). I prefer to be able to use the hitch my tow vehicle
needs and my situation demands, without a manufacturing design which eliminates
an entire category of hitches.
Linda King
1999 Coleman Bayside
1994 Chevy Astro
Mark J Strawcutter
>designed for boats (water applications) and I'm not sure why Jayco is the only
>popup manufacturer to use them. I know our Astro book tells us not to use
>those type of trailer brakes.
I know there are warnings about taping into the Astro brake hydraulics for a
controller, but a prohibition against surge brakes on the trailer? I don't
remember reading that.
Mark J Strawcuttter
Wm Baker
"The Coffins" <cof...@chorus.net> wrote:
> I'm deciding between a '97 Coleman Sea Pine and a '98 Jayco 10UD.
Options
> and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so
nearly equal
> I'm having a hard time deciding.
>
> Which is better?
>
> confounded
>
>
We bought a slightly used Jayco Eagle 10UD last fall with intention of
using it as our first camper to find out what we liked and didn't like
personally in a camper before we invested in a new camper we could live
with for several years. Now that we've been out several times, and
exchanged ideas with others on this newsgroup, we've decided we'd
really like to move up to a fully loaded Coleman as soon as we can
afford it and can improve our tow vehicle situation.
In the meantime the Jayco has been no problem at all. It tows
beautifully behind our meagre Dodge Caravan. Ours doesn't have brakes
at all as trailers with a factory listed dry weight of 1500 lbs or less
don't require them here in Ontario, but it stops just fine anyway.
My roof was already prepared for mounting an air conditioner on it and
the trailer was already wired with the 20 amp connector required to run
it. I simply removed the roof vent and mounted the A/C. I've been on
a 700 mile trip since then and have had no problems with the A/C on the
roof.
I object primarily to the low box height of the Jayco which therefore
means that the interior cabinets and door handle are too low. I hate
constantly bending over. The kitchen sink is far too small and it's
difficult to wash dishes without getting water all over the place.
We've resorted to washing in a larger plastic bin, then rinsing in the
sink.
I personally don't like not being able to get directly to the beds
without having to crawl over the dinette tables but I believe the Sea
Pine is the same.
All in all the Jayco has been fine. I'd be concerned however about the
Coleman roof since the warranty is not extended to subsequent owners.
Unless you can be guaranteed that the roof has been replaced I'd be
very concerned about the roof issue. Go back through this newsgroup
for postings on this subject.
Good luck!
--
The Bakers - Burlington, Ontario
'94 Dodge Caravan 3.0L 4 spd
'98 Jayco Eagle 10UD
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The Reimers
controllers with the surge brake system. Surge brakes usually require no
additional wiring to the tow vehicle. One of the best advantages of the
surge brakes are that electricity and water do not mix. They are great for
when you may need to submerge the wheel temporarily. Some of the
disadvantages are that they are clumsy when backing, you either need to
activate a lever of have a back-up light interlock to disable the brake
while backing. The worst thing I can see with them is on a long down hill
when the trailer puts it weight forward on the tongue the brakes are
continuously activated.
The Reimers
1999 Starcraft Spacestar
1998 GMC K1500
Mark J Strawcutter
>when the trailer puts it weight forward on the tongue the brakes are
>continuously activated.
I would think that if you're going downhill and the trailer is going
enough faster than the tow vehicle to activate the surge mechanism that
you'd _want_ some braking.
It shouldn't be continuous - an equalibrium will be reached once both the
trailer and tow vehicle are going the same speed.
Mark J Strawcutter
rb608
Mark J Strawcutter wrote in message ...
>an equalibrium will be reached once both the
>trailer and tow vehicle are going the same speed.
I can see how that would be desirable. <g>
Joe F.
The Reimers
warp them once. I was hoping it was just a one time case but the tech who
replaced them said it was common. Don't have the boat any longer, and all
the other trailers with brakes have electric brakes. Both systems have their
merits, but like any thing else in life you need to know the short comings
to.
George & Theresa Odom
>
> I'm deciding between a '97 Coleman Sea Pine and a '98 Jayco 10UD. Options
> and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so nearly equal
> I'm having a hard time deciding.
>
> Which is better?
>
> confounded
We have a 12UDK and love it. One plus to surge brakes is changing tow
vehicles. You can defiantly feel it when the brakes apply. The best
thing I can say for Jayco is I can get into all the storage and fridge,
but where the water tank is with the top down, but there is no access in
to them from the outside We are towing with a short wheelbase S-10 and
don't have any sway problems, but I keep my speed down 55 or 60.
George Odom
99 12UDK
93 S-10
C.A.R.T. Race Fan
old at the time) about 5 yrs ago. The next yr they traded it in on a
brand new 1995 Coleman. When we were ready to purchase our 1st pop-up,
of course they strongly recommended Coleman.
Here's how we made our decision: We attended several area R.V. shows
where there were many different brands of pop-ups to compare at the
same time. At every show we first visited the Coleman Display, then to
all the others, and last went back to the Coleman Display again. We
gathered brochures from all. We then visited our local area Coleman
dealer who also sells other brands as well. To us, Coleman proved to
be the Rolls Royce of Pop-ups. My husband, being a 20+ yr JourneyMan
carpenter, was sold on the Coleman quality all the way. In 1998 we
bought our 1st pop-up: a showroom condition (still had nubs on the
tires) 1995 Coleman Chesapeake, which we love! This July it survived
60-70 mph winds, large hail, and monsoon force rains with NO LEAKS.
The outside screenroom survived equally as well in the storm! ...
hope that helps, and good luck.
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T.Price
talking used, Jayco is the clear winner from all that has been posted here.
If you are looking at new the differences between the Jayco Heritage line
and Coleman upper line (sorry don't flame me, I forgot the name of it) are
not much. You need to look over the warranties very thoroughly and ask
others about the dealers of each in your area. I own a Jayco because I liked
the dealer a hell of a lot better than the local Coleman dealer. If that
guy was burning on fire I wouldn't............you know. The dealer is what I
would go by the most.
C.A.R.T. Race Fan wrote in message
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C.A.R.T. Race Fan
addition to what we felt was superb quality) in our case as well. The
Coleman dealer we kept going back to .... many times .... was extremely
patient and very knowledgeable. There was no pressure whatsoever, and
it is a family owned business for over 30 years in our area. We had 2
other friends who bought their Colemans (one used and one new) from
this same dealer. Thanks for letting me share our great experience not
only with out Coleman camper but with our Coleman dealer.
JoBurke01
>Coleman dealer we kept going back to .... many times .... was extremely
>patient and very knowledgeable. There was no pressure whatsoever, and
>it is a family owned business for over 30 years in our area.
Who is the dealer?? We just purchased a '00 Coleman Bayside from Sabo. Its a
family owned dealership and I was really impressed with them too. I was just
curious if yours was the same dealer!
C.A.R.T. Race Fan
Kramers Kampers in Waukegan (far north) Illinois. In fact I was there
today picking up supplies for our next camping trip Labor Day weekend.
Our camper is a 95 Coleman Chesapeake, and the tires still had the
rubber nubbies on them when we bought it 'gently' used last year July!
The screen room that came with it had never been opened or used either.
I was looking at the 2000 models today - what model did you buy?
{Where is SABO}
CART RACE FAN
95 Coleman Chesapeake
97 Chevy Blazer LT 4X4
JoBurke01
>{Where is SABO}
Sabo is in Columbus Ohio. We bought a bayside. I hope it will be in this
coming week. I would like to go camping over the holiday. This is my first
pop-up. We previously tent camped. Growing up I camped in small campers.
Jo Ann
'00 Coleman Bayside
C.A.R.T. Race Fan
camped for many years, & 2 yrs ago while attending a race
weekend/camping it poured rain the entire 3 days! The following year
before the race weekends started, we purchased our 1st (very gently
used) Coleman Pop-up, don't know what took us so long!?
Better call campgrounds for campsite availability now for the
Labor Day weekend .... we called last night to our favorite place in
Wis (last minute decision), and they had only 2 sites left with water &
elec, only because they had 2 cancellations earlier in the afternoon.
Have fun!
C.A.R.T. race fan
95 Coleman Chesepeake
97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4
John Daniel
critical. I have a very poor dealer, but Coleman has stood behind the few
problems we have had and been a total delight to work with. They clearly
are committed (totally) to customer satisfaction.
The Coleman (Sun Ridge for me) is a real joy. Just want more time to use
it.
John Daniel
Richmond, Va.
Jeff Neese
John Daniel <JWDa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Coleman is clearly the best crafted pop up camper.
<snip>
> John Daniel
> Richmond, Va.
James Slusser
and prior Coleman ownership experience, IT IS OUR OPINION that we made a
good decision when we purchased our '98 Coleman Mesa. (Although one of the
Jaco's was our second choice)
That being said, Dealers do make the differance! I would prefer to buy
another brand of camper from a good dealer than a Coleman from a bad
dealer... Luckily, our dealer has been super to us!
jim
Hershey, PA
'98 Coleman Mesa
mrw...@my-deja.com
Rent a Jayco and a Coleman first. See what you like about each and
what you don't like. This will save you a costly mistake. Unless
these particular campers you are looking at are squeaky clean with
fantastic maintence, don't buy them. Save your money and buy the
camper you really want new. You will be glad you did. The
manufacturer's warrant is worth everything. If you get a lemon or
there are problems with your camper you will have recourse.
The Coleman is the best seller on the market for a reason. You will
understand for yourself once you look at a bunch of campers as we did.
You have to put things into perspective. The top of the line Colemans
with all the bells and whistles are much less expensive than a loaded
VW Beetle! If you plan on having and enjoying a camper for five or ten
years you don't want to live with someone else's problem child.
We looked at used before we bought and decided that the only way to go
was to buy new to avoid the headaches involved with a used ill treated
camper.
Happy Camping
Don Crandall
In article <7ote3g$m91$1...@news.chorus.net>,
"The Coffins" <cof...@chorus.net> wrote:
> I'm deciding between a '97 Coleman Sea Pine and a '98 Jayco 10UD.
Options
> and price are equal but the Jayco has surge brakes. They're so
nearly equal
> I'm having a hard time deciding.
>
> Which is better?
>
> confounded
>
>
Lee Meyer
that statement at all. I'm not a mechanic, or even particularly handy,
but the Destiny series seemed to me to be on the same par with Jayco's
Eagle and series and also Starcraft's Venture series.
I found each line to have its strengths and weaknesses to be sure, but
in my mind none of the three brings to mind the words "well-crafted".
They're all relatively inexpensive boxes built more or less the same
way. I would expect all three to perform about the same, on average
(i.e., barring a lemon, which can happen to any manufacturer). Also,
they all have very similar warranties (at least for 2000).
Maybe there are more differences as you go up the line (to the Grand
Tour, the Heritage and the Classic), but I kinda doubt it.
Someone in an earlier post also mentioned that Coleman was the best
selling name for a reason. Personally, I don't put much stock in sales
figures as reliable indicators of quality. There are lots of reasons
one product outsells a competitor's, e.g., marketing, that have nothing
to do with quality.
In short, at least for the big three, after what I saw, I based my
decision first on the dealer and second on the floor plan and
features.
In article <7qdtps$p3v$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
--
Lee Meyer
T.Price
into the show room. When you read so much about the bum roof and other
problems with the Colemans you think people would stay away from their
outrageous prices not to mention the sway these models evidently are more
prone to have.
mrw...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7qgqkt$ng6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
mrw...@my-deja.com
I am insulted that you think I and other Coleman owners have been led
down the primrose path. I have never owned anything which did not have
some kind of mechanical fault. The majority of the campers Coleman
builds are mostly trouble free. If this were not the case then they
would not sell and there would be no repeat customers.
The roof on my 99 Santa Fe is very sturdy and well made. I have no
evidence of any sag in it. It is evident that some campers have this
problem, but not all do. Also, my camper tows beautifully behind our
Explorer. It tows so well that we periodically check the rearview
mirror to make sure it is still there.
As far as the prices being outrageous, you have obviously not priced
many campers lately. When I was looking at campers this spring there
was hardly any price disparity between the major brands. There was
however a very big difference between the quality of the Colemans and
some others I looked at.
My choice to purchase a Coleman was based upon construction, design,
appointments, and resale value. I have not regretted it.
Kindly, think twice before you make uncalled for remarks and
assumptions.
Don Crandall
In article <ZtUy3.140$i4.1...@midsouth.rr.com>,
Ricdemars1
Nor have I talked to people with Colemans with roof problems. I realize that
there may be some problems with them, but I don't think you can make a
generalization that all colemans suffer from a bum roof. I had a friend with a
Jayco that gave him nothing but trouble but I certainly wouldn't criticize
the entire Jayco line because of it. I never considered myself "drugged" when
I purchased it.
Rick
Tami Moykkynen
Originally it was the only brand we didn't want. My sister had owned
one and bragged so annoyingly that we didn't want her to think she
influenced our decision. We looked at them anyway and then started
researching the different brands and felt it was the only way for us to
go. Unfortunately the sale didn't include drugs. ;-) You have to fly
for those!
Tami Moykkynen
RN
wrote:
>Yeah, I am starting to think they must drug most of you when they take you
>into the show room. When you read so much about the bum roof and other
>problems with the Colemans you think people would stay away from their
>outrageous prices not to mention the sway these models evidently are more
>prone to have.
>mrw...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7qgqkt$ng6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Bought a Coleman two years ago and would only recommend one if you
like roof sagging. Got rid of it and purchased a Jayco a few months
later. I hate the setting up and breaking down of a pop-up camper
period but can testify to the fact that Jayco, or at least the one I
own now is a better made and designed camper than the Coleman I
purchased earlier. Don't take my word for it just read the complaints
in this NG.
Regards,
RN
_________________________________________________
"Anyone who would give up an essential Liberty
for a little temporary safety, deserves neither."
Benjamin Franklin
Glen & Evelyn
of Jayco do you now own? In what way do you think that the Jayco is built
better (it's not that I disagree I'm just curious as to what factors you
looked at).
Believe it or not, when I was comparing the Coleman with Jayco it was the
Flagstaff dealer who helped the most. They have a cheap line and a quality
line. When he showed me the difference between the two I noticed that the
cheap line had a lot of features similar to the Coleman grand tour series.
I don't remember them all but some that I can think of them was the plastic
wheel wells, and the plastic end caps. I live in a very cold climate and I
looked at four Colemans before buying my Jayco. Three of the Coleman's had
cracked plastic end caps and or a trunk lid. Each of the owners said it was
the cold winter while it was parked in storage that caused it. Coleman's
have some pretty nice features but for our climate they just didn't seem to
stand up.
RN <RN...@att.net> wrote in message
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T.Price
sense of humor. This NG is constantly clogged with people asking about
problems with their Colemans. That is plain truth. You get a few Jayco or
Starcraft questions but it's has usually been "my sagging roof this" or "my
cracked front that". I guess they use the same sales technique that Saturn
salesman use. The cult of owning and don't make fun of the cult damnit!!!!
mrw...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7qhaa7$482$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Mr. Price:
>
>I am insulted that you think I and other Coleman owners have been led
>down the primrose path. I have never owned anything which did not have
>some kind of mechanical fault. The majority of the campers Coleman
>builds are mostly trouble free. If this were not the case then they
>would not sell and there would be no repeat customers.
>
>The roof on my 99 Santa Fe is very sturdy and well made. I have no
>evidence of any sag in it. It is evident that some campers have this
>problem, but not all do. Also, my camper tows beautifully behind our
>Explorer. It tows so well that we periodically check the rearview
>mirror to make sure it is still there.
>
>As far as the prices being outrageous, you have obviously not priced
>many campers lately. When I was looking at campers this spring there
>was hardly any price disparity between the major brands. There was
>however a very big difference between the quality of the Colemans and
>some others I looked at.
>
>My choice to purchase a Coleman was based upon construction, design,
>appointments, and resale value. I have not regretted it.
>
>Kindly, think twice before you make uncalled for remarks and
>assumptions.
>
>Don Crandall
>
>
>In article <ZtUy3.140$i4.1...@midsouth.rr.com>,
>> Yeah, I am starting to think they must drug most of you when they
>take you
>> into the show room. When you read so much about the bum roof and other
>> problems with the Colemans you think people would stay away from their
>> outrageous prices not to mention the sway these models evidently are
>more
>> prone to have.
>> mrw...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7qgqkt$ng6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Brian
>Coleman is clearly the best crafted pop up camper.
You gotta enjoy his "love" of the product. Thanks for telling us what is
best...we would've never known!
Brian
Brian
>Mr. Price:
>
>I am insulted that you think I and other Coleman owners have been led
>down the primrose path.
Aw come on...insulted?? You'd better thicken up that skin a bit if you want to
participate on the Usenet.
Brian
A Jayco Owner - And not really sure if Jayco or Coleman is better, and not sure
if it makes any sense to debate it.
Tor Langvand
best.
Cheers
--
Tor & Lois
96 Ford Explorer XLT / WD Hitch
97 Coleman Sun Ridge
Great Smoky Mountains
Asheville, NC
Brian <bam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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mrw...@my-deja.com
indicates that you lack tact.
Don Crandall
In article <19990901001922...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
bam...@aol.com (Brian) wrote:
> >From: mrw...@my-deja.com
>
> >Mr. Price:
> >
> >I am insulted that you think I and other Coleman owners have been led
> >down the primrose path.
>
> Aw come on...insulted?? You'd better thicken up that skin a bit if
you want to
> participate on the Usenet.
>
> Brian
>
> A Jayco Owner - And not really sure if Jayco or Coleman is better,
and not sure
> if it makes any sense to debate it.
>
Steve Gray
says...
We bought a camper two years ago. After much research I went with a Jayco and
have not been disappointed. Neither Coleman nor Jayco are perfect and you can't
get the best of all worlds from either manufacturer. The items that swayed
me were the lift mechanism and the floorplan. I liked the Jaco much better than
any Coleman offerings in my price range. On balance I think the Jayco is the
beter value and I have not regretted my choice. The only reservation I had
concerned the roof and endcaps. Coleman's are one piece and Jayco's are multi
piece with seals that at some point will require maintenncne. But after seeing
the posts here on cracked or sagging Coleman roofs I'm glad I went with the
Jayco on that score as well. BTW we have a Jayco 10UD and tow it with a Toyota
Sienna. The combination works very well together.
Steve
Jessie Joubert
The camper does great. I have had only one problem and that is with the
surge brakes on the Jayco. It has caused the hubs to heat up really good.
However the company provided the parts for free even though out of warranty.
We'll see on the next trip if it did the trick. One thing I did not like
about the Colemans was the press board material on the bottom of the camper
unit. In Louisiana we have an abundance of moisture, so I went with the
Jayco because of the plywood decking.
Jessie Joubert
Iota, LA
Steve Gray <Steve...@frmi.com> wrote in message
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Brian
>There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, rather your response
>indicates that you lack tact.
>
>Don Crandall
>
Tact?? Listen my friend, if you want to spew your opinions in the newsgroup,
be ready for responses...both pro and con. If that's not acceptable to you,
then reconsider your participation.
And please, loosen up...
Brian
mrw...@my-deja.com
nothing. I responded to an ugly, un-called-for remark you made, that
people who buy Colemans are drugged. The problem here is civility.
If you cannot say something nice please keep your remarks to yourself.
It is one thing to express an opinion and another to make slurs toward
people.
Let's be mature and end this inane discussion now. Thank you.
Don Crandall
In article <19990902002000...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
T.Price
with no sense of humor who evidently does not care for a joke about being
drugged. I was always civil and just kidding. I have given friendly jabs to
the Coleman people here for a while and I might even have bought one if the
Coleman dealer here was not such an ass. Just thinking, do you own a Coleman
dealership in the Memphis area?
mrw...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7qm1f8$i05$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Jack Anderson
<mrw...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7qm1f8$i05$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
rb608
>Yeah, I am starting to think they must drug most of you when they take you
>into the show room. When you read so much about the bum roof and other
>problems with the Colemans you think people would stay away from their
>outrageous prices not to mention the sway these models evidently are more
>prone to have.
Think about that for a moment. Do folks here usually post just to say, "my
roof doesn't sag"? Of course not; what would be the point? It's assumed.
So it is with any other feature. Because Coleman is the most common brand,
it isn't a big leap of logic to understand that's why there is more
discussion of Coleman problems. It's not because they have more problems,
it's because there's more Colemans. If all we happy Coleman owners
reported everything that was okay, we'd end up wasting a lot of bandwidth.
And I haven't used drugs for the last 25 years...<g>
Joe F.
'94 Coleman Sequoia, bought used
no roof sag
tows great
no broken cables
solid bunk supports
great stabilizers
no holes in my screen
door lines up with frame
step isn't slippery
spare tire isn't flat
water heater heats water
all zippers work
no problems with add a room
stove works fine
electrical problem straightened out
no mildew
LP tank half full
comfortable beds
plenty of storage
friendly dealers nearby
no roof rack
no AC
no fridge
etc.
mrw...@my-deja.com
Thank you for your posting. That is exactly how I felt when I read Mr.
Price's vulgar remark. Colemans have their share of problems as all
campers do. Those of us who have purchased them have done so because
we felt they were the best camper we could get for our hard earned
money. I am sure that people who buy other brands feel the same about
their campers.
This is a place where we can share ideas and help keep each other from
making mistakes. It is a wonderful forum; it is not a snake pit
however, where one should have to have a tough skin to survive as one
writer told me.
I am grateful to you and the other mature adults who participate in
these discussion for maintaing a friend, civil, environment.
Best regards,
Don Crandall
In article <7qm3rv$12m$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>,
Brian
> I responded to an ugly, un-called-for remark you made, that
>people who buy Colemans are drugged. The problem here is civility.
See what you did? You force me to respond.
Listen, I did not post that message about you being drugged, and I don't
appreciate you posting to the group saying that I did. Please get your facts
straight before you make claims like that.
Brian
David Brooks
All this points to a modern lack of letter writing ability.
We have forgotten how to construct our thoughts and put them on paper
without leaving huge holes that invite interpretation. Telephones are the
main cause of this degredation. A conversation is
a mix of words and subtle emotion that gets through a telephone
but is lost on paper. When the words are the only transmission medium, we
need to carefully select our words. With the blossoming of email, I
suspect
that we will eventually learn to write with more clarity.
When you write a message, read it back to yourself.
Imagine every way it can be misunderstood.
If you read a message that seems kurt or condesending, read it again.
I'll bet there's an interpretation that is not what you think it is.
If you don't know that the meaning is, ask for clarification.
Don't blast off a flame war.
This newsgroup is actually much more civilized than most.
I suspect we might be older and more educated. I dunno.
Starcraft Ventura 1706. And happy so far. The give away awning sucks.
( I swear it looks like it came out of the Jayco factory- same lift
system- flexible push rods)
mrw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I do not know you; do not presume I am your friend. I have spewed
> nothing. I responded to an ugly, un-called-for remark you made, that
> people who buy Colemans are drugged. The problem here is civility.
>
> If you cannot say something nice please keep your remarks to yourself.
> It is one thing to express an opinion and another to make slurs toward
> people.
>
> Let's be mature and end this inane discussion now. Thank you.
>
> Don Crandall
>
> In article <19990902002000...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
> bam...@aol.com (Brian) wrote:
> > >From: mrw...@my-deja.com
> >
> > >There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, rather your response
> > >indicates that you lack tact.
> > >
> > >Don Crandall
> > >
> >
> > Tact?? Listen my friend, if you want to spew your opinions in the
> newsgroup,
> > be ready for responses...both pro and con. If that's not acceptable
> to you,
> > then reconsider your participation.
> >
> > And please, loosen up...
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
Tor Langvand
The best camper is the camper YOU find suitable for YOUR family size, YOUR
income size, YOUR planned tow vehicle size, and the one BOTH of you AGREE on
(ehh, if you got a boss, like I do) getting because you liked it the best.
Just because I happen to like Coleman's, and my neighbor like Jayco's, don't
mean that they are good campers, and it don't mean that you will like them.
Both of you need to go out and look at campers, used and new, until you see
something you would like. I'll give you one advice though: Get as big a
camper as you can afford or tow, (in that order) because you sure can't get
enough space in a camper. And when you decide on a brand and type, "fight"
like crazy with the salesman to get extras included in the prize. ;-). It
certainly don't hurt, and you won't regret the fight afterwards.
Good Luck in your hunt, and let us know what you decide on
Brian <bam...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990902140443...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> >From: mrw...@my-deja.com
>
> > I responded to an ugly, un-called-for remark you made, that
> >people who buy Colemans are drugged. The problem here is civility.
>
>
Tami Moykkynen
Yeah sure great but how many babies have fallen out the bunkend onto the
Walmart tarmac?!?!?!?!?
Tami Moykkynen,
(heavily drugged but happy owner of)
1999 Coleman Bayside
that we affectionately call the Bayslide
K. Kubek
numerous trips in the new Coleman, I'd own either again. Jayco was well
made, w/20 year old construction methods...current coleman is very
dependable. Few wrinkles, but no big deal. If we do infact end up with
sag, so be it, we have a one piece roof we never have to worry about leaking
or caulking or anything. We were fortunate that we could purchase new and
have the warranties if needed. Coleman is certainly redesigning and trying
to fix this persistant problem we'll see if the brace works. Every brand
has flaws, glitches and lemons. Find a good dealer and more importantly a
good service department.
After that your decision, regardless of brand, is the right one. So enjoy.
Kimberly
--
Kubek Crew
'99 Astro
'99 Coleman Bayside
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C.A.R.T. Race Fan <lei...@starnetinc.com> wrote in message
news:0Eot3.3036$pO3....@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com...
> I agree 100% about the dealer being the final decision maker (in
> addition to what we felt was superb quality) in our case as well. The
> Coleman dealer we kept going back to .... many times .... was extremely
> patient and very knowledgeable. There was no pressure whatsoever, and
> it is a family owned business for over 30 years in our area. We had 2
> other friends who bought their Colemans (one used and one new) from
> this same dealer. Thanks for letting me share our great experience not
> only with out Coleman camper but with our Coleman dealer.
> --
> Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com
> Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>
Tor Langvand
CUT IT OUT KIDS, you're way beyond the topic, dog done it,,, ;-)
The best camper is the camper YOU find suitable for YOUR family size, YOUR
income size, YOUR planned tow vehicle size, and the one BOTH of you AGREE on
(ehh, if you got a boss, like I do) getting because you liked it the best.
Just because I happen to like Coleman's, and my neighbor like Jayco's, don't
mean that they are good campers, and it don't mean that you will like them.
Both of you need to go out and look at campers, used and new, until you see
something you would like. I'll give you one advice though: Get as big a
camper as you can afford or tow, (in that order) because you sure can't get
enough space in a camper. And when you decide on a brand and type, "fight"
like crazy with the salesman to get extras included in the prize. ;-). It
certainly don't hurt, and you won't regret the fight afterwards.
Good Luck in your hunt, and let us know what you decide on
Cheers
Tor & Lois
96 Ford Explorer XLT / WD Hitch
97 Coleman Sun Ridge
Great Smoky Mountains, NC
Jim and Linda King
>reported everything that was okay, we'd end up wasting a lot of bandwidth.
>Joe F.
Wasting bandwidth intentionally here to echo all off the above, with exception
of "no problems with add a room" since we don't have one.
I'll change that to:
Glideout works great
This is why some of us might like a Coleman owner's group to discuss any
problems. Honesty here with problems with our popups brings on accusations of
stupid, drug-induced purchases.
Perhaps we Coleman owners need to waste more bandwidth with comments like the
above list to show that Colemans are indeed a quality item in most cases.
Thanks, Joe F. for the post.
Linda King
1999 Coleman Bayside
1994 Chevy Astro