Palomino pop-up/leaks/faucet
Stephane Bastien
palomino model Pinto CH made by Vanguard Industries of Michigan. 2
problems:
1- We found out that the the seams at the bed ends leaked like hell,
stained the mattresses and the particle board under the beds started to
flake already which worries me about pocking through the mattresses
within a few years . The dealer didn't know about this problem (it's the
first year they carry that line) and was shocked when we showed him that
all of his tent trailers had the same problem after going through the
same rain storm (it was fairly heavy). The dealer told us that they
would talke to the manufacturer and let us know of any development.
Has anybody had that problem, or would you have any suggestions on the
matter?
2- I already can think of a way to improve the faucet... Have the tap
water go to the tank, and from there, have a twelve volt pump supply the
water to the tap, which by the way has a neck that is too short, and too
low. I would like to find a faucet that has a higher neck.
suggestions?
By the way, we picked this unit because we liked some of the features
over other brands. In the same category/price range, we had to select
between the Vikings and the Palominos. We preferred the Palomino because
the we were very pleased with the dealer's attitude (Heidy from Orillia,
Ontario, Canada), prettier inside colors of the fabric, over the sink
there was a little soap bar shelf, and all the cabinets had a very nice
little gold trim on their edge. Does everybody pick their model over
such insignificant details, or were we just "dah" ? (first time we
bought an rv)
Stephane Bastien,
Borden, Ontario,
Canada
Kevin & Kimberly K
We didn't buy a pop up because of colors...does that count...LOL Yes I
think details mattered to us, but would not be a deal breaker.
Kimberly.
Stephane Bastien wrote in message <374CED20...@bconnex.net>...
gark...@aol.com
Stephane Bastien <sbas...@bconnex.net> wrote:
> We have just purchased, last week, a brand new pop-up trailer. A
> palomino model Pinto CH made by Vanguard Industries of Michigan. 2
> problems:
>
> 1- We found out that the the seams at the bed ends leaked like hell,
> stained the mattresses and the particle board under the beds started
to
> flake already which worries me about pocking through the mattresses
> within a few years . The dealer didn't know about this problem (it's
the first year they carry that line) and was shocked when we showed him
that all of his tent trailers had the same problem after going through
the same rain storm (it was fairly heavy). The dealer told us that they
> would talke to the manufacturer and let us know of any development.
> Has anybody had that problem, or would you have any suggestions on the
> matter?
I remember that the seams were leaky on our first trip out. I called our
dealer about this. He reminded me that the owners manual dealt with this
issue. It seems that this is a common occurrence in many new tent
campers. When the canvas/synthetic tent material is sewn, the sewing
needle leaves a hole that is slightly larger than the thread that goes
through that hole. After the thread has been soaked a few times it
swells and fills in the hole. That is why our owners manual suggested
setting up the camper and lightly showering the tenting and then letting
it dry. This should be repeated several times. We did this and, lo and
behold, the seams stopped leaking. As to the particle board starting to
flake, definitely have the dealer take care of that. It shouldn't
disintegrate after one instance of being wetted.
George Garklavs
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Luvtocamp5
>>palomino model Pinto CH made by Vanguard Industries of Michigan. 2
>>problems:
>>
>>1- We found out that the the seams at the bed ends leaked
Dear Stephane,
We are trading in our 97 Palomino today for a 99 Coleman Bayside. The far
corners of our beds leak too. I have never liked the way the tenting sags and
ripples above the beds, and I think the water tends to just sit and soak in.
The wood under the mattresses at the far corners gets wet too.
The Palomino is not "junk", but we have not been satisfied with some minor
things (Although I don't think the rain leaking in is minor).
The trim on tenting was not made with colorfast dye, so the very first time we
had it open in the rain, we got nice burgandy stains inside on the tenting,
which do not come off. (even with bleach).
I think you made the right choice over Viking. Having looked at both three
years ago, and this year again, Palomino is the better of the two.
I'd love to hear what your dealer finds out from Vanguard regarding the leaking
problem.
Good luck and have fun!
Linda King
Proud owner of 1999 Coleman Bayside!
Pete L.
Stephane Bastien <sbas...@bconnex.net> wrote in message
news:374CED20...@bconnex.net...
> We have just purchased, last week, a brand new pop-up trailer. A
> palomino
> Has anybody had that problem, or would you have any suggestions on the
> matter?
I own a 1996 Palomino MXL-RL (hard side) and have never had any leakage
whatsoever. The manual says that you may get leakage during the most intense
or lengthy rainstorms and this is typical. I have rode out some terrible
storms in this camper and have never had a problem, even when brand new.
I like the colors and trim in mine as well. The main reason I picked this
unit was we liked the fold-a-wall model. I am very satisfied with this unit,
and Palomino in general. I do believe they make a very good unit, but I am
certain that there are "better quality" brands out there.
Pete L.
21singlemale
is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
ground?? as for the leaking of the new tent the person on the last
response is corect.. the cotton tread must swell. as for the bed board
getting wet dont worry it has a lifetime warinty.. sorry about the
spelling!!! and for the stains take off the covers they unzip and just
put them in the washer and let them air dry!!! Also climb up on top of
your rof sometime then climb on top of a coleman abs roof and see how
much it sags. just think the coleman roof is made of the same thing as
a a/c shourd and everyone knows how long they last!!!!! Be proud of
your pinto ! and if you have any problem just contact your dealer
orpalomino.....
Mark J Strawcutter
>is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
>flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
>ground??
duh, like zero.
what a crock...
This has the makings of a good urban legend. Did we ever find a certified
incident of "baby falling out of Coleman" when unit properly set up?
Mark J Strawcutter
Indiana PA
'97 Coleman Key West
PS - before acusing me of blindly defending the brand I happen to own,
do a deja search of this NS for my postings continaing "palomino" or
"coleman".
Roland Wippel
Stephane Bastien wrote:
>
>
> 2- I already can think of a way to improve the faucet... Have the tap
> water go to the tank, and from there, have a twelve volt pump supply the
> water to the tap, which by the way has a neck that is too short, and too
> low. I would like to find a faucet that has a higher neck.
> suggestions?
We went out for the first time this wekend with a new Palamino Yearling.
After about 5 minutes, the tap was driving me mad. We were not hooked up
to water and I had to pump the tap. It's really hard washing your hands
while pumping at the same time. I think my solution will be to put a 12
volt pump in and have an on/off switch located right beside the sink. I
think I will keep the extenal water supply going directly to the tap,
and put a Y in there so that the pump feeds the same hose. That way
leaving the tap on, I can just turn the water on with the switch. I am
planning to use a marine switch so that it won't matter if it gets wet.
By doing it this way, I still retain the ability to pump by hand if I
have to.
>
> By the way, we picked this unit because we liked some of the features
> over other brands. In the same category/price range, we had to select
> between the Vikings and the Palominos. We preferred the Palomino because
> the we were very pleased with the dealer's attitude (Heidy from Orillia,
> Ontario, Canada), prettier inside colors of the fabric, over the sink
> there was a little soap bar shelf, and all the cabinets had a very nice
> little gold trim on their edge. Does everybody pick their model over
> such insignificant details, or were we just "dah" ? (first time we
> bought an rv)
I liked the details too. I found for the same cost and weight, you got a
bigger trailer with better layouts. I looked at Starcraft, Jayco,
Rockwood and Coleman and found the Palamino to be the best value for the
money. I liked the Colemans, but, they were way too expensive. Bought
mine in Havelock Ontario.
I'm still think all trailers are very low quality, as are most boats and
other recreational equipment.
susan
Mark J Strawcutter <mjs...@grove.iup.edu> wrote in message
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> > palomino
> >is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
> >flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
> >ground??
>
> duh, like zero.
>
> what a crock...
>
> This has the makings of a good urban legend. Did we ever find a certified
> incident of "baby falling out of Coleman" when unit properly set up?
There were mornings when I would have wished my kids had fallen out after
their all night arguing over who was stealing all the covers or who was
sleeping on "their" part of the bed.....:)
Westcott Household
people could believe that others would buy so much of a product if it
had a HUGH flaw like allowing people to fall out. I think that it
started when someone commented that their Jayco or another had the
canvas attached and coleman didn't. Just for those of you who don't
know, (I didn't before we bought one) The canvas has a "pull" that
attached is numerous places under the beds so you couldn't fall out if
you wanted to.
Charlene in Baltimore
Mark J Strawcutter wrote:
>
> > palomino
> >is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
> >flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
> >ground??
>
> duh, like zero.
>
> what a crock...
>
> This has the makings of a good urban legend. Did we ever find a certified
> incident of "baby falling out of Coleman" when unit properly set up?
>
Westcott Household
anyone who buys anything else is stupid, you have never looked into
another model yourself because about everything you have said is
completely inaccurate.
Charlene in Baltimore
P.S. If you're going to flame, sign your name!
21singlemale wrote:
>
> dont worry you just purchased the best pop up on the market!!. palomino
> is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
> flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
gark...@aol.com
Westcott Household <west...@home.com> wrote:
> You know when this story started going around I was amazed at how
> people could believe that others would buy so much of a product if it
> had a HUGH flaw like allowing people to fall out. I think that it
> started when someone commented that their Jayco or another had the
> canvas attached and coleman didn't. Just for those of you who don't
> know, (I didn't before we bought one) The canvas has a "pull" that
> attached is numerous places under the beds so you couldn't fall out if
> you wanted to.
>
> Charlene in Baltimore
It seems as though there are several inevitables in newsgroups:
1. The item you purchased or own is the best in its class. Period.
2. The item you didn't buy/don't own is the worst thing on the market.
3. If you don't bother signing your name to your threads you have no
responsibility for being:
a. a civil individual
b. accurate with your details
c. someone doesn not make inflamatory remarks.
Now I have to go look for my teenager who seems to have slipped out of
that noninsulated tenting over the Coleman bed. Darn, I wish they'd
quit disappering like that!
George Garklavs
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ALadyolafs
year old (?) son fell out one night. The question was raised as to whether or
not it was set up properly. As to facts of the incident, I am uninformed.
Personally, I couldn't even FORCE my arm out through my bunkend on our (sniff,
sniff) Sunridge. : (
>You know when this story started going around I was amazed at how
>people could believe that others would buy so much of a product if it
>had a HUGH flaw like allowing people to fall out. I think that it
>started when someone commented that their Jayco or another had the
>canvas attached and coleman didn't. Just for those of you who don't
>know, (I didn't before we bought one) The canvas has a "pull" that
>attached is numerous places under the beds so you couldn't fall out if
>you wanted to.
>
>Charlene in Baltimore
>
>Mark J Strawcutter wrote:
>>
>> > palomino
>> >is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
>> >flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
>> >ground??
>>
>> duh, like zero.
>>
>> what a crock...
>>
>> This has the makings of a good urban legend. Did we ever find a certified
>> incident of "baby falling out of Coleman" when unit properly set up?
>>
>> Mark J Strawcutter
>> Indiana PA
>> '97 Coleman Key West
>>
>> PS - before acusing me of blindly defending the brand I happen to own,
>> do a deja search of this NS for my postings continaing "palomino" or
>> "coleman".
>
>
>
Tami Moykkynen
1998 Colman Sunridge
(no sag, LOTS of cracks, no Sunridge)
Kentwood Mi
Keith Wiebe
the sides. When did they incorporate the safety "sides". I can see a baby
falling out of our 91 Yearling.
Keith Wiebe
susan <su...@netscape.net> wrote in article
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>
> Mark J Strawcutter <mjs...@grove.iup.edu> wrote in message
> news:W5x33.548$Xq.1...@news.sgi.net...
> > >
palomino
> > >is the only pop up with inslated sidewalls and with child protected
> > >flaps.. how many of you coleman owners woke up with a kid on the
> > >ground??
> >
> > duh, like zero.
> >
> > what a crock...
> >
> > This has the makings of a good urban legend. Did we ever find a
certified
> > incident of "baby falling out of Coleman" when unit properly set up?
>
Peter Burkard
alady...@aol.com (ALadyolafs) wrote:
> If I recall correctly, there was a gentleman who had an older Coleman
and his 2
> year old (?) son fell out one night. The question was raised as to
whether or
> not it was set up properly. As to facts of the incident, I am
uninformed.
> Personally, I couldn't even FORCE my arm out through my bunkend on our
(sniff,
> sniff) Sunridge. : (
>
This discussion has forced me out of lurk mode. My first attempt to
respond wasn't too successful, so I'll try again.
About 3 years ago our 18 month old fell out of our '82 Coleman Sun
Valley. Well, he didn't actually fall right out, since everything from
his armpits up remained inside the trailer while the rest of his body
dangled outside the trailer.
Everything was set up correctly, but the hooks holding the canvas were
spaced quite far apart on those older trailers, so his little body could
fit right through.
He was no worse for wear, however, and it never changed my opinion that
it was a great trailer. We reluctantly sold it this spring to move up
to something a little bigger (and newer) with room for all 5 of us.
--
Peter Burkard
Ontario, Canada
ALadyolafs
Weren't the bungie cords spaced out quite a bit farther on your '82 Coleman
Sun Valley? However it happened I'm sorry your son had such a scare but I'm
glad he wasn't injured. By the way, what did you trade up to?
>This discussion has forced me out of lurk mode. My first attempt to
>respond wasn't too successful, so I'll try again.
>
>About 3 years ago our 18 month old fell out of our '82 Coleman Sun
>Valley. Well, he didn't actually fall right out, since everything from
>his armpits up remained inside the trailer while the rest of his body
>dangled outside the trailer.
>
>Everything was set up correctly, but the hooks holding the canvas were
>spaced quite far apart on those older trailers, so his little body could
>fit right through.
>
>He was no worse for wear, however, and it never changed my opinion that
>it was a great trailer. We reluctantly sold it this spring to move up
>to something a little bigger (and newer) with room for all 5 of us.
>
>--
>Peter Burkard
>Ontario, Canada
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Pete L.
attached at the bunk end, and has a flap which snaps to the wood on the
underside of the mattress. Another flap outside the trailer "sandwiches" the
bunk. There is no way anyone can fall out, providing you set it up the
"right way."
Pete L.
Keith Wiebe <kei...@southwind.net> wrote in message
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bhe...@mail.sd91.bc.ca
interesting thread.
We too purchased a brand new Palamino Pinto last fall. It was a toss up
between a Coleman and the Palamino. We chose the Palamino because of
the Coleman dealer's attitude.
On our first couple of outings, we noticed that one of the beds was kind
of damp each morning and wrote it off to condensation. It wasn't until
we returned home that we noticed one of the seams had 'blown' quite
badly. The arms that held up the pop out ends and the spreader rods
were too tight. We had mentioned this to the dealer when we first
looked at it and he said that it was normal. The dealer was quite upset
by what had happened to us. He quickly brought in a seamstress, had the
rip repaired and told us to bring the unit back in at the end of the
season. He then took the tent out, sent it back to the factory and
..... Unfortunately, the repaired tent was still too tight
so...Palamino sent a brand new one out. The dealer 'shaved' a bit off
the ends of the supports and now everything appears to fit nicely and
we're looking forward to a new season.
I don't know what brand of trailer is the best. I've met people in many
different types, sizes and colored units. I'm sure that all the units
have some good points and some not so good ones. I haven't fallen out
during the night and I don't know why anyone would want to walk across
the roof of a pop-up. All I know is that my family and I are out there
and having fun.
In article <374CED20...@bconnex.net>,
Stephane Bastien <sbas...@bconnex.net> wrote:
> We have just purchased, last week, a brand new pop-up trailer. A
> palomino model Pinto CH made by Vanguard Industries of Michigan. 2
> problems:
>>>>>snipped some stuff out of here<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Stephane Bastien,
> Borden, Ontario,
Luvtocamp5
Palomino for a Coleman, mostly wanting more room. I felt that Palomino's weak
points were 1) the fit of the tenting at each end. No matter what we did, it
had so many sags and ripples, the rain would just sit on the top, and soak in
anywhere it wanted to, and 2) the two piece door- they had cut the opening in
the popup body uneven, so the door always had a large gap.
However-their prices are very reasonable, and I felt all their woodwork was
nice.
I'm glad you got your problem fixed.
Keith Wiebe
> anywhere it wanted to, and 2) the two piece door- they had cut the
opening in
> the popup body uneven, so the door always had a large gap.
>
My 71 yearling had such a large gap the door wouldn't stayed closed! I
removed the trim and installed a shim behind to get it tighter. My 91
Yearling has a smaller gap but it closes ok. The problem is the frame
bending with time I believe!
Keith Wiebe
21singlemale
10 people who have had this happen!!!!!!
Luvtocamp5
>Yearling has a smaller gap but it closes ok. The problem is the frame
>bending with time I believe!
Perhaps that is true with some...but our Palomino door did not fit right...from
day 1 to the day we traded it. So we measured the cut out...it was not even.
That way when you lowered the top piece, you actually had to open it up to hook
it in.
I for one much prefer the one piece doors.
Roland Wippel
Keith Wiebe wrote:
>
> > anywhere it wanted to, and 2) the two piece door- they had cut the
> opening in
> > the popup body uneven, so the door always had a large gap.
> >
> My 71 yearling had such a large gap the door wouldn't stayed closed! I
> removed the trim and installed a shim behind to get it tighter. My 91
> Yearling has a smaller gap but it closes ok. The problem is the frame
> bending with time I believe!
There must be some inherent flaw in the design of those palamino doors.
Mine had the described problem from day one as well. I check the frame
for flex, as that would be the obvious answer, but, it was perfectly
flat.
The two piece door would be a nice idea if you could open it with the
top down, but, on my 1999 Yearling, you have to raise the roof about 1
cm before you can open the door to load items in. Seems that if somebody
had beenthinking a bit more, this could be a nice feature, but, as it
is, it's a pain.
Stephane Bastien
screen room, which they didn't have in stock at the time of delivery. She
talked to them about our leak problem. The dealer said that they had talked
to the Palomino local rep and that they had ordered tubes of leak sealer in
mass quantity. They offered to do ours no problem (they also have to do all
of theirs on the lot too!).
I would rather do it myself, having the time to do a better job, and they
will contact us when they get the stuff.
I already talked to a few other Palomino owners when we went camping (twice
already), and they all had the same problems. It looks like wen they stitch
the seams, because the needle is bigger then the tread, it leaves a bigger
hole in the vinyl. Should be a simple fix with seam sealer.
As far as the water stains on the mattresses, the dealer said that they
would replace the mattresses. For the particle board flaking because of the
water, they said that the warranty was, I think ten years, and that at this
time there was not much they could do about it.
When my girlfriend said that we would write to Palomino, the dealer was very
worry, and insisted we let them take care of it. I don't really know why
they would say that, but the only reason I could come up with, was that they
weren't happy with the product, and wanted to keep more ammunition (our
case) in their dealings with them.
On another note,
- I wish I had received more answers about the question for the faucet.
- I have a friend who decided to change his popup because is newborn slipped
between the bongee cord of the side panels.
- I too noticed that my doors (two pieces) weren't aligned. I confirmed that
my trailer was in fact level, but I can't figure out what's wrong. The 45
degree angles of the aluminum frame at the corners are matching perfectly
but when I put a level on the doors and open them, it looks like the bottom
part is level when closed, but swings out of level when it opens. Maybe it's
the hinge of the door that's not level vertically???
Other then that, I love my new toy! Great floor plan, easy to tow (behind
half ton truck), great colors, and the cabinets are superb.
Stephane
Stephane Bastien wrote:
> We have just purchased, last week, a brand new pop-up trailer. A
> palomino model Pinto CH made by Vanguard Industries of Michigan. 2
> problems:
>
> 1- We found out that the the seams at the bed ends leaked like hell,
> stained the mattresses and the particle board under the beds started to
> flake already which worries me about pocking through the mattresses
> within a few years . The dealer didn't know about this problem (it's the
> first year they carry that line) and was shocked when we showed him that
> all of his tent trailers had the same problem after going through the
> same rain storm (it was fairly heavy). The dealer told us that they
> would talke to the manufacturer and let us know of any development.
> Has anybody had that problem, or would you have any suggestions on the
> matter?
>
> 2- I already can think of a way to improve the faucet... Have the tap
> water go to the tank, and from there, have a twelve volt pump supply the
> water to the tap, which by the way has a neck that is too short, and too
> low. I would like to find a faucet that has a higher neck.
> suggestions?
>
> By the way, we picked this unit because we liked some of the features
> over other brands. In the same category/price range, we had to select
> between the Vikings and the Palominos. We preferred the Palomino because
> the we were very pleased with the dealer's attitude (Heidy from Orillia,
> Ontario, Canada), prettier inside colors of the fabric, over the sink
> there was a little soap bar shelf, and all the cabinets had a very nice
> little gold trim on their edge. Does everybody pick their model over
> such insignificant details, or were we just "dah" ? (first time we
> bought an rv)
>
Luvtocamp5
>the hinge of the door that's not level vertically???
That's a good possibility. The hinge on our former Palomino looked different
at the top than at the bottom, but we couldn't figure out exactly what was
different about it.
MERENE3
finished our maiden voyage. and we had some troubles but all in all think it
was OK. they just could be better workmanship from dealership. what's prep
costs for? 1st before we left set up to make sure screen /add a room was OK,
found you have to put Velcro on side of camper and then we had a box that was
open thought it was just because dealer set something up from it. nope it was
used! and made backwards, so quick trip back to dealer and make sure got a new
one, 2nd get to camp site, hook up water and turn on OK. check faucet low
pressure, hmm? go check connection right? it's OK. go back in here water
running, oh know water coming from under cabinet's water heater leaking like
crazy, turn off water. clean up. mess. find that the idiots did, NT even
tighten up bottom connection put it on crosstreaded. so had to take off and
just easy put it on correctly, but should not have to on new popup dealer
install water heaters. 3rd after all that fun we get everything running OK and
set up. good night furnace OK. then wife cleaning dishes and I'm outside and
notice water dripping from wheel well, great cut the story short find drain
hose cut right where the hose clamps at, i also repaired after we got home, now
4th problem so far we get home clean everything up rained last night we are
there found no leaks thank GOD. but when we get open back up noticed canvas has
treads coming out and a hole the size of finger can go right thru it. but all
in all think it's going to be a good popup with everything you have to work out
the bug's. but i, m going to call dealer in morning and there going to get an
ear full. but looking forward to next trip. also it pulls very nice we were
going 70 most of the way no problems, and could hardly tell was back there
pulled it with 94 areo-star van with 4.0 v-6 let me know how you like yours OK.
MINE IS A 1999 MUSTANG TXL HARD SIDE HAVE NOT NOTICED THE LEAKING BUT I AM
GOING TO CHK IT. SAME PROBLEMS WITH MY DOOR ALSO I JUST MOVED THE SCREWS ON THE
CLIP AND IT CLOSES GREAT.
Roland Wippel
Stephane Bastien wrote:
> - I too noticed that my doors (two pieces) weren't aligned. I confirmed that
> my trailer was in fact level, but I can't figure out what's wrong. The 45
> degree angles of the aluminum frame at the corners are matching perfectly
> but when I put a level on the doors and open them, it looks like the bottom
> part is level when closed, but swings out of level when it opens. Maybe it's
> the hinge of the door that's not level vertically???
>
The door is the biggest complaint I have with my 1999 Palamino Yearling.
The gap is so big that bugs get in. I think what happens is that the
assemble the whole thing before they put it on the axle and tha once you
put it on the wheels, the ends sag a bit and the gap opens up on the
door. Given some time I will investigate this more and then try to shim
the door frame to make it fit.
Like you, I am relatively happy with the Palamino, with the exception of
some really mindless minor quality issue.
1. they took very little care in running water lines and gas lines as to
not interfere with cargo space. My gas line runs right up the middle of
a cabinet when it could eaily have been run 6 inches farther to one side
so as not to interfere.
2. the cabinets are not of very high quality. They are not square. I
tried to add some shelves and dividers and found that I had to be
careful to compensate for the 'out of square' cabinets.
Roland.