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999Vulcan

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Sep 15, 2017, 8:09:19β€―AM9/15/17
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Π”ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΈΡ„Π΅Ρ€ Π ΡƒΠ±ΠΈΠ½ of liberal #fakenews Washington Post Ρ…Π»Π΅Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΄Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠΊΡ€Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΠ² ΡƒΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ мордасам

Democrats don’t need their own snake oil salesman

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/09/14/democrats-dont-need-their-own-snake-oil-salesman

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President Trump went through an entire presidential campaign promising β€œwonderful” health care that would cover β€œeverybody,” without a higher price or an increase in taxes. It was a con, much bigger and more damaging than the Trump University scam. Trump had nothing in his cupboard on health care (or anything else); Republicans in Congress only had take-aways from vulnerable Americans. They lacked a better idea to put up against the Affordable Care Act. You know the rest. A crash and burn, a political humiliation.

Now comes Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) offering single-payer health care. It will be wonderful. It will cover everybody. It will somehow save us money. Other people’s taxes will pay for it. Sound familiar?

[analysis skipped]

The GOP has been taken over by ethno-nationalists with no rational economic policies. If the Democrats now allow themselves to be yanked around by self-declared socialists with no rational economic policies one of two things will happen β€” either the country will be in deep trouble (facing a future of irresponsible presidents and angrier, more disappointed voters who seek more and more extreme leaders) or a party ranging from center-right to center-left will emerge.

In the latter there would be differences on the size and scope of government, just how much tax revenue we need, how much the federal government should do, etc. It will, however, be a discussion among rational adults willing to work off of a common set of facts (technically called β€œreality”) and engage in good faith arguments. That used to be what the Republicans and Democrats did, but if both of the major parties are going off the deep end, then sober-minded folk who care about governance and the details will need to hash it out among themselves and make the case to the American people. They’ll have to act and treat their fellow Americans like mature adults, not like children to be bribed with candy or delicate flowers that will wilt if exposed to the harsh rays of reality. They will reach consensus the old fashioned way, by compromise tempered by experience.
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ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠ° с этим, ΠΎΠ΄Π½Π°ΠΊΠΎ, Π² Ρ‚ΠΎΠΌ, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ, to borrow a phrase from Christian Scence Monitor's Gail Chaddock, ΠΊΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΡƒΡŽ ΠΎΠ½Π° ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠ»Π° 6 Π»Π΅Ρ‚ Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄ Π½Π° Tom Ashbrook's On Point, "it is difficult to make a case to the American people that is longer than a few sentences"

Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅ΠΌ ΠΈΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒ популистов

ΠΊΠΎΠΈΠΉ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠ» Π² 90-Ρ… Π“Ρ€ΠΈΠ³ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠΉ Явлинский, ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΈΠ»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠΈΠ·Π½ΠΎΡΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π² Π΄Π²Π° слова

Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ этому ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ΄Ρƒ Π΄ΡƒΠΌΠ°ΡŽΡ‚ мСстныС "sober minded folks"?
(if any:)

Const

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Sep 15, 2017, 2:08:05β€―PM9/15/17
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999Vulcan <z...@vulakh.us> wrote:
> Π”ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΈΡ„Π΅Ρ€ Π ΡƒΠ±ΠΈΠ½ of liberal #fakenews Washington Post Ρ…Π»Π΅Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ Π΄Π΅ΠΌΠΎΠΊΡ€Π°Ρ‚ΠΎΠ² ΡƒΠ΅ΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ мордасам

> Democrats don?t need their own snake oil salesman

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/09/14/democrats-dont-need-their-own-snake-oil-salesman

> ===
> President Trump went through an entire presidential campaign promising ?wonderful? health care that would cover ?everybody,? without a higher price or an increase in taxes. It was a con, much bigger and more damaging than the Trump University scam. Trump had nothing in his cupboard on health care (or anything else); Republicans in Congress only had take-aways from vulnerable Americans. They lacked a better idea to put up against the Affordable Care Act. You know the rest. A crash and burn, a political humiliation.

> Now comes Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) offering single-payer health care. It will be wonderful. It will cover everybody. It will somehow save us money. Other people?s taxes will pay for it. Sound familiar?

> [analysis skipped]

> The GOP has been taken over by ethno-nationalists with no rational economic policies. If the Democrats now allow themselves to be yanked around by self-declared socialists with no rational economic policies one of two things will happen ? either the country will be in deep trouble (facing a future of irresponsible presidents and angrier, more disappointed voters who seek more and more extreme leaders) or a party ranging from center-right to center-left will emerge.

> In the latter there would be differences on the size and scope of government, just how much tax revenue we need, how much the federal government should do, etc. It will, however, be a discussion among rational adults willing to work off of a common set of facts (technically called ?reality?) and engage in good faith arguments. That used to be what the Republicans and Democrats did, but if both of the major parties are going off the deep end, then sober-minded folk who care about governance and the details will need to hash it out among themselves and make the case to the American people. They?ll have to act and treat their fellow Americans like mature adults, not like children to be bribed with candy or delicate flowers that will wilt if exposed to the harsh rays of reality. They will reach consensus the old fashioned way, by compromise tempered by experience.
> ===

> ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠ° с этим, ΠΎΠ΄Π½Π°ΠΊΠΎ, Π² Ρ‚ΠΎΠΌ, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ, to borrow a phrase from Christian Scence Monitor's Gail Chaddock, ΠΊΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΡ€ΡƒΡŽ ΠΎΠ½Π° ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎΠ½ΠΈΠ»Π° 6 Π»Π΅Ρ‚ Π½Π°Π·Π°Π΄ Π½Π° Tom Ashbrook's On Point, "it is difficult to make a case to the American people that is longer than a few sentences"

> Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π±ΡƒΠ΄Π΅ΠΌ ΠΈΠΌΠ΅Ρ‚ΡŒ популистов

> ΠΊΠΎΠΈΠΉ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠ» Π² 90-Ρ… Π“Ρ€ΠΈΠ³ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠΉ Явлинский, ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΈΠ»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠΈΠ·Π½ΠΎΡΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ Π² Π΄Π²Π° слова

> Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ этому ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ΄Ρƒ Π΄ΡƒΠΌΠ°ΡŽΡ‚ мСстныС "sober minded folks"?
> (if any:)

Π­Ρ‚ΠΎ всё Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΎ Π±Ρ‹ Π·Π°Π΅, Π½ΠΎ Π² Ρ€Π΅Π·ΡƒΠ»ΡŒΡ‚Π°Ρ‚Π΅ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡˆΠ΅Π΄ΡˆΠΈΡ… Π²Ρ‹Π±ΠΎΡ€ΠΎΠ²
Π²Ρ‹ΡΡΠ½ΠΈΠ»ΠΎΡΡŒ, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ срСди Π»ΠΈΠ±Π΅Ρ€Π°Π»ΠΎΠ², Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅, казалось Π±Ρ‹,
Π½ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Π»ΡŒΠ½Ρ‹Ρ…, ΡΠΎΠ²Π΅Ρ€ΡˆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎ Π½Π΅Ρ‚ вмСняСмых.
Π•ΡΡ‚ΡŒ какая-Ρ‚ΠΎ нСвмСняСмая свора Π±Π΅ΡˆΠ΅Π½Ρ‹Ρ… коммунистичСских собак.
БистСматичСски Π»Π³ΡƒΡ‰ΠΈΡ…, ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΡ‡Π΅ΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΌΠ°Π»Π΅ΠΉΡˆΠ΅ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ΄Ρƒ.
И ΠΏΠΎΠΎΡ‰Ρ€ΡΡŽΡ‰ΠΈΡ… насилиС для достиТСния своих Ρ†Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΉ.

Но это Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ, Π²Ρ‹Π²ΠΎΠ΄.
НС Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠ³Π°ΡŽΡ‰ΠΈΠΉ дСсятки Π»ΠΆΠ΅ΠΉ Π² этом "Π°Π½Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·Π΅".

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999Vulcan

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Sep 15, 2017, 2:44:44β€―PM9/15/17
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я ΠΆΠ΅ просил "*sober* minded":)

Const

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Sep 15, 2017, 3:14:15β€―PM9/15/17
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999Vulcan <999v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Π½ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Π»ΡŒΠ½Ρ‹Ρ…, ΡΠΎΠ²Π΅Ρ€ΡˆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎ Π½Π΅Ρ‚ вмСняСмых.
> > Π•ΡΡ‚ΡŒ какая-Ρ‚ΠΎ нСвмСняСмая свора Π±Π΅ΡˆΠ΅Π½Ρ‹Ρ… коммунистичСских собак.
> > БистСматичСски Π»Π³ΡƒΡ‰ΠΈΡ…, ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΡ‡Π΅ΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ ΠΌΠ°Π»Π΅ΠΉΡˆΠ΅ΠΌΡƒ ΠΏΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠ΄Ρƒ.
> > И ΠΏΠΎΠΎΡ‰Ρ€ΡΡŽΡ‰ΠΈΡ… насилиС для достиТСния своих Ρ†Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΉ.
> >
> > Но это Ρ‚Π°ΠΊ, Π²Ρ‹Π²ΠΎΠ΄.
> > НС Ρ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠ³Π°ΡŽΡ‰ΠΈΠΉ дСсятки Π»ΠΆΠ΅ΠΉ Π² этом "Π°Π½Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·Π΅".

> я ΠΆΠ΅ просил "*sober* minded":)

ΠšΡƒΠ±ΡƒΡˆΠΈΠ½Π°, Ρ‡Ρ‚ΠΎ Π»ΠΈ ?

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999Vulcan

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Sep 15, 2017, 3:19:00β€―PM9/15/17
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я ΠΆΠ΅ просил *minded*

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Sep 15, 2017, 4:45:35β€―PM9/15/17
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/a-campus-conservatives-year-facing-anger-doxing-and-intimidation

Π’ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠ±Π»ΠΈΠ·ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎ Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠΈΡ… Π²ΠΎΡ‚ Ρ‚Π²ΠΎΠΈΡ… Π΄Ρ€ΡƒΠ·Π΅ΠΉ ΠΈ Π΅Π΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΎΠΌΡ‹ΡˆΠ»Π΅Π½Π½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ² ?

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