Folk etymology examples
auuV
|The exact origin of the word [Balti] is debated. The following
|origins are sometimes given:
|
|1. The term "balti" refers to the steel or iron pot in which
|the food is cooked or served, taken from the word balti in
|Hindi and Bengali for a bucket. This is the usual explanation.
Indeed.
Can we have a lickel WikiKwibble here?
|However, in Hindi, the word balti refers to a bucket not
|a cooking pot.
Ta ever so!
|The term for the metal container in which a balti is served
|would be, from Urdu, a karahi or karai
Which would make the dish a _karai_ - but thats another argument. :)
|2. Loyd Grossman, under whose name a line of British curry sauces
|is marketed,
Hnnngggrrrh!
|claims on his Balti sauce jar that the term comes from a word
|for "hubcap," since Indian truckers would cook their Balti in
|a hubcap.
Mibbe.
|3. The Kashmiri term for a karahi or karai is bati. It is
|possible that this was corrupted, under the influence of
|the Birmingham accent, into "balti".
My knowledge of t3h brumx0r accent not enough to know if this is plaus.
|4. The origin of the food would not appear to come from the
|region of Baltistan or the Balti people who live there; they
|cook a very different type of Tibetan-influenced food that is
|based around pasta/noodle dishes. However, Baltistan is a very
|remote and little-visited mountainous area on the border of
|Kashmir, and so it is possible that Kashmiris in Britain may
|have tried to give their newly-invented dish a cover of spurious
|'authenticity' - by claiming its origin as being in mysterious
|Baltistan.
Something doesnt <snif> right at all about that.
Maybe if it was used derogatorily, like _Wqlsh Rarebit_.
|5. Some suggest it arose from "bowl tea", a pidgin-english
|phrase used by English working-class workmen who found the
|meal to be an affordable and filling 'tea' (dinner) at the
|end of a day's work.
Dear god! :(((99
|6. One theory[citation needed] is that the dish was devised
|by a particularly hairless Indian chef, known to all his
|workmates as "Baldy", and that his nickname was corrupted
|into the name of his signature dish, the balti.
Pull the other one, its got balti on!
|The last two theories are generally considered examples
|of folk etymology.
NEF SCHISTIG!
--
and they drive an ice cream van
neurotrashboy
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balti_(food)
>
>|The exact origin of the word [Balti] is debated. The following
>|origins are sometimes given:
>|
>|1. The term "balti" refers to the steel or iron pot in which
>|the food is cooked or served, taken from the word balti in
>|Hindi and Bengali for a bucket. This is the usual explanation.
>
>Indeed.
This is the explo I got when I asked .inians about it just after it
first appeared on the scene. Proximity is not proof, as such. But even
so.
>Can we have a lickel WikiKwibble here?
>
>|However, in Hindi, the word balti refers to a bucket not
>|a cooking pot.
>
>Ta ever so!
>
>|The term for the metal container in which a balti is served
>|would be, from Urdu, a karahi or karai
>
>Which would make the dish a _karai_ - but thats another argument. :)
"Karai", as a dish name, already existed (as in "karai gusht" (or
"scarai ghosht" as some were repeadedly wont to call it (even after
being glared at))). So if They[TM] were looking for a new name, then
"balti" would be an obvious candidate, given that "balti" might mean
"bucket" in quite the same way that "truck" means "lorry".
FWIW, I consider explo #1 as about as good as it gets. And if thats not
good enough, well tough shit. Look at how long the "vindaloo"
controversy has been going on. :|
>|2. Loyd Grossman, under whose name a line of British curry sauces
>|is marketed,
>
>Hnnngggrrrh!
<shakes heid>
>|claims on his Balti sauce jar that the term comes from a word
>|for "hubcap," since Indian truckers would cook their Balti in
>|a hubcap.
>
>Mibbe.
Do trucks in .in even have hubcaps? Truck hubcaps tend to be just that
- literally hubcaps. Not the fake UFOs manque that I suspect most
people remember from sadly over-chromed 1970s cars.
And anyway, arent hubcaps full not only of somewhat unpalatable road
grime but more importantly extremely dangerous asbestos brake dust? Are
we to imagine that .inian truckers are so graceless and dumb as to think
eating out of one is a good idea?
Or are we, OTOP, to imagine that Mr Grossout is making schytte up on the
grounds that his target audience are too stupid to know the difference,
and everyone else wouldnt touch his foul "product" with a dirty hubcap?
(Come to think of it, is there a disclaimer on the jar about this?
"Warning: cooking in a hubcap is dangerous. Dont try this at home"?)
>|3. The Kashmiri term for a karahi or karai is bati. It is
>|possible that this was corrupted, under the influence of
>|the Birmingham accent, into "balti".
>
>My knowledge of t3h brumx0r accent not enough to know if this is plaus.
Its about as plaus as a geometry book by the Indiana State legislature.
>|4. The origin of the food would not appear to come from the
>|region of Baltistan or the Balti people who live there; they
>|cook a very different type of Tibetan-influenced food that is
>|based around pasta/noodle dishes. However, Baltistan is a very
>|remote and little-visited mountainous area on the border of
>|Kashmir, and so it is possible that Kashmiris in Britain may
>|have tried to give their newly-invented dish a cover of spurious
>|'authenticity' - by claiming its origin as being in mysterious
>|Baltistan.
>
>Something doesnt <snif> right at all about that.
>
>Maybe if it was used derogatorily, like _Wqlsh Rarebit_.
Still more plaus than a lot of the others, though.
>|5. Some suggest it arose from "bowl tea", a pidgin-english
>|phrase used by English working-class workmen who found the
>|meal to be an affordable and filling 'tea' (dinner) at the
>|end of a day's work.
>
>Dear god! :(((99
Theyre not even trying, are they?
>|6. One theory[citation needed] is that the dish was devised
>|by a particularly hairless Indian chef, known to all his
>|workmates as "Baldy", and that his nickname was corrupted
>|into the name of his signature dish, the balti.
>
>Pull the other one, its got balti on!
>
>|The last two theories are generally considered examples
>|of folk etymology.
Oh? And what about the other 4? :(
>NEF SCHISTIG!
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i get the peas, i get the peel, i get the pips, i pass the rest...
Don Stockbauer
I alway wash the hubcap out real good. But since people have stolen
all the hubcaps off our 2003 Lesabre, I've had to use an old warshtub
I keep for wildlife watering.
auuV
wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:04:57 +0100, auuV <au...@zazehen.invalid> wrote:
>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balti_(food)
>>
>>|The exact origin of the word [Balti] is debated. The following
>>|origins are sometimes given:
>>|
>>|1. The term "balti" refers to the steel or iron pot in which
>>|the food is cooked or served, taken from the word balti in
>>|Hindi and Bengali for a bucket. This is the usual explanation.
>>
>>Indeed.
>
>This is the explo I got when I asked .inians about it just after it
>first appeared on the scene. Proximity is not proof, as such. But even
>so.
E!
>>Can we have a lickel WikiKwibble here?
>>
>>|However, in Hindi, the word balti refers to a bucket not
>>|a cooking pot.
>>
>>Ta ever so!
>>
>>|The term for the metal container in which a balti is served
>>|would be, from Urdu, a karahi or karai
>>
>>Which would make the dish a _karai_ - but thats another argument. :)
>
>"Karai", as a dish name, already existed
Thought so!
>(as in "karai gusht" (or
>"scarai ghosht" as some were repeadedly wont to call it (even after
>being glared at))).
:D
>So if They[TM] were looking for a new name, then
>"balti" would be an obvious candidate, given that "balti" might mean
>"bucket" in quite the same way that "truck" means "lorry".
Well, exactly.
>FWIW, I consider explo #1 as about as good as it gets. And if thats not
>good enough, well tough shit. Look at how long the "vindaloo"
>controversy has been going on. :|
It works fine as an explo and has nothing going against it. A good
working etymology.
>>|2. Loyd Grossman, under whose name a line of British curry sauces
>>|is marketed,
>>
>>Hnnngggrrrh!
>
><shakes heid>
<growls sotto voce>
(sotto growle?)
>>|claims on his Balti sauce jar that the term comes from a word
>>|for "hubcap," since Indian truckers would cook their Balti in
>>|a hubcap.
>>
>>Mibbe.
>
>Do trucks in .in even have hubcaps? Truck hubcaps tend to be just that
>- literally hubcaps. Not the fake UFOs manque that I suspect most
>people remember from sadly over-chromed 1970s cars.
E!
>And anyway, arent hubcaps full not only of somewhat unpalatable road
>grime but more importantly extremely dangerous asbestos brake dust? Are
>we to imagine that .inian truckers are so graceless and dumb as to think
>eating out of one is a good idea?
:(
>Or are we, OTOP, to imagine that Mr Grossout is making schytte up on the
>grounds that his target audience are too stupid to know the difference,
>and everyone else wouldnt touch his foul "product" with a dirty hubcap?
I tried a jar of one of his sauces once. It was disgusting.
>(Come to think of it, is there a disclaimer on the jar about this?
>"Warning: cooking in a hubcap is dangerous. Dont try this at home"?)
I hope so.
>>|3. The Kashmiri term for a karahi or karai is bati. It is
>>|possible that this was corrupted, under the influence of
>>|the Birmingham accent, into "balti".
>>
>>My knowledge of t3h brumx0r accent not enough to know if this is plaus.
>
>Its about as plaus as a geometry book by the Indiana State legislature.
:DDddd
>>|4. The origin of the food would not appear to come from the
>>|region of Baltistan or the Balti people who live there; they
>>|cook a very different type of Tibetan-influenced food that is
>>|based around pasta/noodle dishes. However, Baltistan is a very
>>|remote and little-visited mountainous area on the border of
>>|Kashmir, and so it is possible that Kashmiris in Britain may
>>|have tried to give their newly-invented dish a cover of spurious
>>|'authenticity' - by claiming its origin as being in mysterious
>>|Baltistan.
>>
>>Something doesnt <snif> right at all about that.
>>
>>Maybe if it was used derogatorily, like _Wqlsh Rarebit_.
>
>Still more plaus than a lot of the others, though.
Things like that do happen, of course.
>>|5. Some suggest it arose from "bowl tea", a pidgin-english
>>|phrase used by English working-class workmen who found the
>>|meal to be an affordable and filling 'tea' (dinner) at the
>>|end of a day's work.
>>
>>Dear god! :(((99
>
>Theyre not even trying, are they?
<shakes heid>
>>|6. One theory[citation needed] is that the dish was devised
>>|by a particularly hairless Indian chef, known to all his
>>|workmates as "Baldy", and that his nickname was corrupted
>>|into the name of his signature dish, the balti.
>>
>>Pull the other one, its got balti on!
>>
>>|The last two theories are generally considered examples
>>|of folk etymology.
>
>Oh? And what about the other 4? :(
Sap etymology?
auuV
<donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I alway wash the hubcap out real good. But since people have stolen
>all the hubcaps off our 2003 Lesabre, I've had to use an old warshtub
>I keep for wildlife watering.
I had to look up "Lesabre". Is it strange that they were discontinued
after such a long time?
(How is its fuel consumption?)
Don Stockbauer
> On 4 Apr 2007 04:40:59 -0700, "Don Stockbauer"
>
> >I alway wash the hubcap out real good. But since people have stolen
> >all the hubcaps off our 2003 Lesabre, I've had to use an old warshtub
> >I keep for wildlife watering.
>
> I had to look up "Lesabre". Is it strange that they were discontinued
> after such a long time?
American car companies are hurting and making many changes.
>
> (How is its fuel consumption?)
Not very good. I guess I better tell the story of how we got it.
My father was a Buick dealer here for many years, I worked in the
parts dept. in my spare time.
He sold the dealership in the 70s but still had connections to the
present dealers, and it's just sort of natural that he gravitated
towards a LeSabre in 2003. He just showed up with it one afternoon,
the family had no sayso in what we were to get.
So while it's not the best as far as being a green machine the price
was right for me (zero).
Its a small car compared to the goliaths produced back in the 50's.
I'm sure I'll drive it till the wheels fall off.
neurotrashboy
<donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 4, 7:00 pm, auuV <a...@zazehen.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4 Apr 2007 04:40:59 -0700, "Don Stockbauer"
>>
>> <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >I alway wash the hubcap out real good. But since people have stolen
>> >all the hubcaps off our 2003 Lesabre, I've had to use an old warshtub
>> >I keep for wildlife watering.
>>
>> I had to look up "Lesabre". Is it strange that they were discontinued
>> after such a long time?
>
>American car companies are hurting and making many changes.
Yeah - ever bigger SUVs. :(
If they want people to buy their cars - and I assume they do - then they
need to make cars that people want to buy. And to find out what cars
people want to buy, they need to look at what people *are* buying - and
make that!
If you just ask people what they want, theyll just say "a Bugatti Veyron
that costs less than $1 a day to run". Good luck designing a car to
satisfy *that* spec.
None of this is exactly difficult, unless you have 30 years experience
and "know the .usian car market" and cant see anyway to go forward
except the same way you always have (the difference being it worked
before).
>> (How is its fuel consumption?)
>
>Not very good. I guess I better tell the story of how we got it.
>
>My father was a Buick dealer here for many years, I worked in the
>parts dept. in my spare time.
>
>He sold the dealership in the 70s but still had connections to the
>present dealers, and it's just sort of natural that he gravitated
>towards a LeSabre in 2003. He just showed up with it one afternoon,
>the family had no sayso in what we were to get.
>
>So while it's not the best as far as being a green machine the price
>was right for me (zero).
>
>Its a small car compared to the goliaths produced back in the 50's.
>I'm sure I'll drive it till the wheels fall off.
Don Stockbauer
> On 4 Apr 2007 18:00:39 -0700, "Don Stockbauer"
>
Course you could well tooling up to a solar energy/hydrogen global
economy, which would last until the sun fries the Earth during its red
giant phase, but who is that forward looking?
auuV
wrote:
>On 4 Apr 2007 18:00:39 -0700, "Don Stockbauer"
><donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 4, 7:00 pm, auuV <a...@zazehen.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 4 Apr 2007 04:40:59 -0700, "Don Stockbauer"
>>>
>>> <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >I alway wash the hubcap out real good. But since people have stolen
>>> >all the hubcaps off our 2003 Lesabre, I've had to use an old warshtub
>>> >I keep for wildlife watering.
>>>
>>> I had to look up "Lesabre". Is it strange that they were discontinued
>>> after such a long time?
>>
>>American car companies are hurting and making many changes.
>
>Yeah - ever bigger SUVs. :(
I was reading about that. The company that was pinning their plans,
even now, on a rapidly-declining market segment and getting ready to
blame their customers when it all goes poiriform (again).
>If they want people to buy their cars - and I assume they do - then they
>need to make cars that people want to buy. And to find out what cars
>people want to buy, they need to look at what people *are* buying - and
>make that!
E!
>If you just ask people what they want, theyll just say "a Bugatti Veyron
>that costs less than $1 a day to run". Good luck designing a car to
>satisfy *that* spec.
:)
>None of this is exactly difficult, unless you have 30 years experience
>and "know the .usian car market" and cant see anyway to go forward
>except the same way you always have (the difference being it worked
>before).
So deep in the rut they cant see out of it.
>>> (How is its fuel consumption?)
>>
>>Not very good. I guess I better tell the story of how we got it.
>>
>>My father was a Buick dealer here for many years, I worked in the
>>parts dept. in my spare time.
>>
>>He sold the dealership in the 70s but still had connections to the
>>present dealers, and it's just sort of natural that he gravitated
>>towards a LeSabre in 2003. He just showed up with it one afternoon,
>>the family had no sayso in what we were to get.
>>
>>So while it's not the best as far as being a green machine the price
>>was right for me (zero).
>>
>>Its a small car compared to the goliaths produced back in the 50's.
>>I'm sure I'll drive it till the wheels fall off.
--
auuV
neurotrashboy
<donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
D00d, it was hard enough getting them to fit aircon as standard. :(
auuV
wrote:
"We know the British car industry and what the British driver wants."
etc etc.
Hnnnnggggrrh!
neurotrashboy
Looks like they were wrong about that one. :D
>Hnnnnggggrrh!
Hnnn, as you so rightly Hnnnnggggrrhed, nggggrrh!
auuV
wrote:
Danm right.
>>Hnnnnggggrrh!
>
>Hnnn, as you so rightly Hnnnnggggrrhed, nggggrrh!
Nice. :)
Did you see the kicking that Dieter Zetsche got from the DaimlerChrysler
shareholders?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/business/6528663.stm
Don Stockbauer
Why the big eyes?
auuV
<donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Partly that thinking about our sun in a red giant phase has always made
me feel funny and partly agreeing that it isnt very likely that many
designers are looking that far forward (given that, for example, some
car designers seem to be looking back about 50 or 60 years).