D2 Servers hacked??
Ken Noone
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2150207&mode=thread
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SilverRaven
kenn...@3RDROCKlink.net (Ken Noone) pleaded:
>Just read this on Slashdot. Any confirmation?
>
>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2150207&mode=thread
I believe I saw a few people in the channel crying over lost stuff
after logging in since the hacking.
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Rastlin Twelve
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> Just read this on Slashdot. Any confirmation?
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2150207&mode=thread
SR will recall the fellow in AGD referring to items which had been stolen.
Possibly due to this?
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Time Goddess
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> Get Saved. Ask me about Jesus.
>
won't all the others still send me to Hell?
Rastlin Twelve
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Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the real
Jesus. And as far as I know you won't go to Hell if you believe in Jesus
because I don't think that any other religions believe in Heaven and Hell,
except Christianity or Christianity-based religions. As long as you believe
in Jesus and follow Him you're set for life.
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Handy Solo
<>
> Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the real
> Jesus. And as far as I know you won't go to Hell if you believe in Jesus
> because I don't think that any other religions believe in Heaven and Hell,
> except Christianity or Christianity-based religions.
Eep!
> As long as you believe
> in Jesus and follow Him you're set for life.
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Gornul
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> "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> allegedly wrote:
>
> <>
>
> > Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the real
> > Jesus. And as far as I know you won't go to Hell if you believe in Jesus
> > because I don't think that any other religions believe in Heaven and Hell,
> > except Christianity or Christianity-based religions.
>
> Eep!
I think what Rastlin means is that no other religion (that I know of, anyway)
believes in Heaven and Hell in the same sense Christianity does. There's
purgatory for the Catholics (not saying anything bad about Catholics, my best
friend happens to be a Catholic), sacrifices instead of saving Grace as the way
to Heaven in Judaism, etc.
Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations) is
this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we can
get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else, you're
going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal differences
and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all Christianity.
Gornul
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Time Goddess
> Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the
real
> Jesus.
>
Handy Solo
> "Handy Solo" <handy...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:g0d25t8dk9g7i7uu2...@4ax.com...
> > "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> allegedly wrote:
> >
> > <>
> >
> > > Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the real
> > > Jesus. And as far as I know you won't go to Hell if you believe in Jesus
> > > because I don't think that any other religions believe in Heaven and Hell,
> > > except Christianity or Christianity-based religions.
> >
> > Eep!
>
> I think what Rastlin means is that no other religion (that I know of, anyway)
> believes in Heaven and Hell in the same sense Christianity does. There's
> purgatory for the Catholics (not saying anything bad about Catholics, my best
> friend happens to be a Catholic), sacrifices instead of saving Grace as the way
> to Heaven in Judaism, etc.
Ok, I hesitate to go here, but I have to say that y'all might want to
research your 'competition' a little more.
Oh, and my catholic wife will be interested to know that she's not a
'Christian'...
>
> Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
> beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations) is
> this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we can
> get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else, you're
> going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal differences
> and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all Christianity.
>
> Gornul
And this will end my posting to this thread. Ain't gonna go there.
Uh uh, no way.
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Gornul
> > I think what Rastlin means is that no other religion (that I know of,
anyway)
> > believes in Heaven and Hell in the same sense Christianity does. There's
> > purgatory for the Catholics (not saying anything bad about Catholics, my
best
> > friend happens to be a Catholic), sacrifices instead of saving Grace as the
way
> > to Heaven in Judaism, etc.
>
> Ok, I hesitate to go here, but I have to say that y'all might want to
> research your 'competition' a little more.
>
> Oh, and my catholic wife will be interested to know that she's not a
> 'Christian'...
Didn't say she wasn't. Catholithism (I know I misspelled that) is very similar
to Christianity, but there are still some differences. I can't really explain
in a way that would make sense without sounding offensive.
IMHO, Catholithism is halfway between being a different type (denomination) of
Christianity, and being a different, albeit *very* similar, religion. Heavy
empashis on the "very similar" there. I don't want to get further into a
discussion about this, since the only result will be squashed toes and bruised
feelings on all sides.
Rastlin Twelve
Catholics are still Christian, they just complicate things. They add and
subtract things from Jesus' teachings. They're simply a denomination of
Christianity, like all other denomination's they have slightly different
views on certain things.
Rastlin Twelve
I don't understand what you're talking about. There's only 1 (one) Jesus,
different religions have had different views on what He's done and said, but
there's only 1 (one) Jesus.
Grand Fromage
>Uh uh, no way.
>
Smart man. I'm not gonna post at ALL regarding the stuff, hehe.
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> "Time Goddess" <majestr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:92rd61$7si38$1...@ID-64699.news.dfncis.de...
> > "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> wrote in message
> > news:lma46.117756$P82.13...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> > > Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus, the
> > real
> > > Jesus.
> > >
> > Yes, but there are a few of them. Which one specifically?
>
> I don't understand what you're talking about. There's only 1 (one) Jesus,
> different religions have had different views on what He's done and said, but
> there's only 1 (one) Jesus.
Exactly. Different denominations and religions are like people looking at a
light bulb from different angles. They all see the light differently, but
they're looking at the same light bulb as everyone else.
Blade
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>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2150207&mode=thread
OMFG.....Imagine logging on this morning and finding your lvl 90 hc dead!
THE HORROR!
I'd shoot someone....or myself....heh
Blade
Time Goddess
> I don't understand what you're talking about. There's only 1 (one) Jesus,
> different religions have had different views on what He's done and said,
but
> there's only 1 (one) Jesus.
>
remember all of them at the moment, but obviously you aren't quite as devout
as you believe.
Stephen van Ham
<>
>OMFG.....Imagine logging on this morning and finding your lvl 90 hc dead!
>THE HORROR!
>I'd shoot someone....or myself....heh
Hehe, don't even JOKE about such a thing. Some people probably WOULD
shoot themselves if they found their level 90 stripped of all their
hard won trinkets.
Blade
news:qbg25tcsjg76u9c44...@4ax.com...
Well....all said...it's quite disturbing. I hope bnet is able to restore
some of those killed hc chars.
<shivers at the thought of losing his 2 lvl 79's>
Blade
Gornul
> > Ok, I hesitate to go here, but I have to say that y'all might want to
> > research your 'competition' a little more.
> >
> > Oh, and my catholic wife will be interested to know that she's not a
> > 'Christian'...
>
> Catholics are still Christian, they just complicate things. They add and
> subtract things from Jesus' teachings. They're simply a denomination of
> Christianity, like all other denomination's they have slightly different
> views on certain things.
Yeah, for example: my Baptist church requires baptism before you can become a
member. The Presbyterian Churches of America (PCA) believe God's Word forbids
drinking alcohol. Etc, etc. Every denomination has a slightly different set of
beliefs, Catholics too.
Nikita Synytskyy
Gornul wrote:
>
{snip}
>
> Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
> beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations) is
> this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we can
> get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else, you're
> going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal differences
> and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all Christianity.
My theology is rather weak, but I cannot believe that the concept of
Christianity can be that one-sided. By your words, the belief in Jesus
appears to be the focal point in determining the fate of your soul after
death, while your other actions are secondary. I cannot imagine such an
approach being valid.
To me Christianity has always been about love to others, non-violence and
faith, in that order. Not faith in Jesus in particular, but faith in God
in general. I'm not Pope, and my word is not dogma but my personal
opinion, but in my view a Muslim who lives his life in peace, helping
others and believing in Allah is also a good Christian--even though he does
not know it. It is what you do that matters, not what name you give to
your God.
Nikita.
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Grand Fromage
>approach being valid.
I'm fairly sure there is at least one sect of christianity that believes that
faith in god is all you need to go to heaven. But, it's hard to keep track of
all the sects, so I could very well be wrong.
Rastlin Twelve
Maybe I'm not as devout in the religion which you're referring to, but in
Christianity there is one and only one Jesus. I am Christian, therefore
believe in only one Jesus.
Time Goddess
> Maybe I'm not as devout in the religion which you're referring to, but in
> Christianity there is one and only one Jesus. I am Christian, therefore
> believe in only one Jesus.
>
Agelmar
"SilverRaven" <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote in message
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> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy,
> kenn...@3RDROCKlink.net (Ken Noone) pleaded:
>
> >Just read this on Slashdot. Any confirmation?
> >
> >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/01/2150207&mode=thread
>
> I believe I saw a few people in the channel crying over lost stuff
> after logging in since the hacking.
*raises hand* AgelPal is GONE.... my paladin.... AgelBarb (my barb) is
GONE.... AgelSorc is gone.... all these realm chars were 20ish... :-(
Agelmar
What if I'm athiest and don't believe in Jesus, heaven, hell, the holy
trinity, and the whole 9 yards...? ^-^
Agelmar
"Gornul" <SPAMx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> wrote in message
> news:T%a46.117876$P82.13...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> > "Time Goddess" <majestr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:92rd61$7si38$1...@ID-64699.news.dfncis.de...
> > > "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> wrote in message
> > > news:lma46.117756$P82.13...@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com...
> > > > Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus,
the
> > > real
> > > > Jesus.
> > > >
> > > Yes, but there are a few of them. Which one specifically?
> >
> > I don't understand what you're talking about. There's only 1 (one)
Jesus,
> > different religions have had different views on what He's done and said,
but
> > there's only 1 (one) Jesus.
>
> Exactly. Different denominations and religions are like people looking at
a
> light bulb from different angles. They all see the light differently, but
> they're looking at the same light bulb as everyone else.
Okay... I'm sticking my head in.
I start with an example:
Can you teach Calculus to a sparrow? I say no. It's brain is too limited to
comprehend Calc. I therefore argue that there are some things the human mind
cannot comprehend.
I argue that we cannot understand the universe. a few thousand years ago we
could not understand the creation of the universe / life at all. Hence, we
developed "God" who created everything. God is how we interpreted that which
we could not understand. Now, through science, we can understand more (still
not even close to everything). We know about the big bang. We know about
evolution. It's foolish to still say some dude (god) created the earth, the
universe, and life on earth, and to deny darwin when we know that evolution
is real, the big bang was real etc. It wasn't until 1980 that the Catholic
church officialy recognized the fact that the earth was not at the center of
the universe, and rather rotated around the sun. How long will it be before
people finally give up religion? Why cannot we simply say "There are some
things we cannot understand" instead of saying "It's the will of God, God
did it, it's the will of Allah, we are waiting for the Messiah, whatever".
The Catholic Church takes money from the poor (look at early europe) and
builds huge buildings with gold up the wazoo... the cruisades... I mean come
on... people are wasting their money!
BIG POINT!: THE CHURCHES HAVE A TAX-EXEMPT STATUS IN THE US! And yet many of
them run for-profit councelling services, et. all... not to mention the very
nature of the church (collecting money up the arse...) THIS NEEDS TO STOP
That said, I am athiest and proud of it.
www.positiveathiesm.org
-Agel
Grand Fromage
>What if I'm athiest and don't believe in Jesus, heaven, hell, the holy
>trinity, and the whole 9 yards...? ^-^
>
Then us lucky people get damned by the majority the Earth's population. :)
It's fun. Everyone should try living atheistic for just one week and then
maybe they'd act differently. Of course, it's not like a shoe change or
anything, but if it was possible.
Agelmar
/me doesn't even get this one...
Agelmar
"Agelmar" <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> wrote in message
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> www.positiveathiesm.org
> -Agel
sorry, make that www.positiveatheism.org
GRR I cant believe I misspelled atheist twice :-(
Rastlin Twelve
"Agelmar" <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> wrote in message
/me doesn't either. TG hasn't made a lick of sense.
Grand Fromage
>> in
>> > > Christianity there is one and only one Jesus. I am Christian,
>therefore
>> > > believe in only one Jesus.
>> > >
>> > Wouldn't that mean you believe in two?
>>
>> /me doesn't even get this one...
>
>/me doesn't either. TG hasn't made a lick of sense.
/me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and jesus
post-ressurection as an explanation
Agelmar
"Grand Fromage" <ppk...@aol.comediespam> wrote in message
news:20010101232437...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
> >> > > Maybe I'm not as devout in the religion which you're referring to,
but
> >> in
> >> > > Christianity there is one and only one Jesus. I am Christian,
> >therefore
> >> > > believe in only one Jesus.
> >> > >
> >> > Wouldn't that mean you believe in two?
> >>
> >> /me doesn't even get this one...
> >
> >/me doesn't either. TG hasn't made a lick of sense.
>
> /me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and jesus
> post-ressurection as an explanation
/me starts thinking about pink elephants
Grand Fromage
>but
>> >> in
>> >> > > Christianity there is one and only one Jesus. I am Christian,
>> >therefore
>> >> > > believe in only one Jesus.
>> >> > >
>> >> > Wouldn't that mean you believe in two?
>> >>
>> >> /me doesn't even get this one...
>> >
>> >/me doesn't either. TG hasn't made a lick of sense.
>>
>> /me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and jesus
>> post-ressurection as an explanation
>
>/me starts thinking about pink elephants
>
/me much prefers red elephants
Time Goddess
news:20010101232437...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
> post-ressurection as an explanation
>
if I die before I wake/ I pray the Lord my soul should take/Instead of his
evil twin brother, Skippy..."
Time Goddess
> /me doesn't either. TG hasn't made a lick of sense.
>
sense, and this whole time I've been encoding secret messages to Skippy to
tell him to come eat your brain!
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>>> /me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and jesus
>>> post-ressurection as an explanation
>>
>>/me starts thinking about pink elephants
>
>/me much prefers red elephants
/me, like most normal people, knows that elephants only come in
orange, green and tapioca varieties.
Time Goddess
> /me, like most normal people, knows that elephants only come in
> orange, green and tapioca varieties.
>
Grand Fromage
>>>> post-ressurection as an explanation
>>>
>>>/me starts thinking about pink elephants
>>
>>/me much prefers red elephants
>
>/me, like most normal people, knows that elephants only come in
>orange, green and tapioca varieties.
>
/me has a bucket of elephant paint
Agelmar
"Grand Fromage" <ppk...@aol.comediespam> wrote in message
> >>>> /me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and
jesus
> >>>> post-ressurection as an explanation
> >>>
> >>>/me starts thinking about pink elephants
> >>
> >>/me much prefers red elephants
> >
> >/me, like most normal people, knows that elephants only come in
> >orange, green and tapioca varieties.
> >
>
> /me has a bucket of elephant paint
I've solved it. Jesus is the red elephant, God is the blue elephant, and the
Holy Ghost is the green elephant. That's what makes those white elephants!
Grand Fromage
>jesus
>> >>>> post-ressurection as an explanation
>> >>>
>> >>>/me starts thinking about pink elephants
>> >>
>> >>/me much prefers red elephants
>> >
>> >/me, like most normal people, knows that elephants only come in
>> >orange, green and tapioca varieties.
>> >
>>
>> /me has a bucket of elephant paint
>
>I've solved it. Jesus is the red elephant, God is the blue elephant, and the
>Holy Ghost is the green elephant. That's what makes those white elephants!
>
You're thinking too hard.
Agelmar
"Agelmar" <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> wrote in message
Sorry if I offended any die-hard religious people, it was meant as a joke...
Ghashûl
wrote:
Sure.
>I argue that we cannot understand the universe. a few thousand years ago we
>could not understand the creation of the universe / life at all. Hence, we
>developed "God" who created everything. God is how we interpreted that which
>we could not understand.
>Now, through science, we can understand more (still
>not even close to everything). We know about the big bang. We know about
>evolution. It's foolish to still say some dude (god) created the earth, the
>universe, and life on earth, and to deny darwin when we know that evolution
>is real, the big bang was real etc.
Even darwin himself didn't believe in darwinism, he became a
christian. How would you explain that I can talk to God, and get
response, if he isn't there?
Are you saying that a LOT of people on this earth are insane freaks
that just "hear voices".
How do you explain a dane suddenly speaking arabic, without even
understanding a word they're saying?
> It wasn't until 1980 that the Catholic
>church officialy recognized the fact that the earth was not at the center of
>the universe, and rather rotated around the sun.
Ok, and why do you judge all by the doings of the catholics leaders?
>How long will it be before
>people finally give up religion?
It will never happen because there are only 2 ways to go. Either the
people are skizofrenic and can talk to another person in their head,
or there really is a God.
> Why cannot we simply say "There are some
>things we cannot understand" instead of saying "It's the will of God, God
>did it, it's the will of Allah, we are waiting for the Messiah, whatever".
Because that would be denying what I believe to be true... Why would I
ever want to do that?
>The Catholic Church takes money from the poor (look at early europe) and
>builds huge buildings with gold up the wazoo... the cruisades... I mean come
>on... people are wasting their money!
Yeah, there's been a lot of mistakes in the past and propably still
are in many countries. People can be bad and still that doesn't
disprove anyhting.
>
>BIG POINT!: THE CHURCHES HAVE A TAX-EXEMPT STATUS IN THE US! And yet many of
>them run for-profit councelling services, et. all... not to mention the very
>nature of the church (collecting money up the arse...) THIS NEEDS TO STOP
Yeah, not all people are good people, what's there to say?
>
>That said, I am athiest and proud of it.
>www.positiveathiesm.org
>-Agel
Good for you, I suppose.
Believing in Jesus Christ is whats the best for me.
It's turned my life around.
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Ghashûl
You said there were two Jesus', not that Jesus had a twin brother.
I doubt he had a TWIN brother, but I'm positive Joseph and Maria had
lots of kids after Jesus.
Ghashûl
wrote:
>>
>>What if I'm athiest and don't believe in Jesus, heaven, hell, the holy
>>trinity, and the whole 9 yards...? ^-^
>>
>
>Then us lucky people get damned by the majority the Earth's population. :)
>It's fun. Everyone should try living atheistic for just one week and then
>maybe they'd act differently. Of course, it's not like a shoe change or
>anything, but if it was possible.
OK, there are some people that are born into a christian family, but a
LOT of the christians from my church was not.
A lot of my friends have atheist parents, so I'm sure they've tried
living as atheists.
Ghashûl
>"Stephen van Ham" <sva...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:qbg25tcsjg76u9c44...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:45:03 -0500, "Blade" <bl...@on.aibn.com> wrote:
>>
>> <>
>>
>> >OMFG.....Imagine logging on this morning and finding your lvl 90 hc dead!
>> >THE HORROR!
>> >I'd shoot someone....or myself....heh
>>
>> Hehe, don't even JOKE about such a thing. Some people probably WOULD
>> shoot themselves if they found their level 90 stripped of all their
>> hard won trinkets.
>
>Well....all said...it's quite disturbing. I hope bnet is able to restore
>some of those killed hc chars.
><shivers at the thought of losing his 2 lvl 79's>
>Blade
>
As it said on the site, they will all be restored on january 8th (all
HC's that died between Dec 19th and Jan 1st) plus they will try to
create a routine that brings back the lost stuff.
Grand Fromage
>>>trinity, and the whole 9 yards...? ^-^
>>>
>>
>>Then us lucky people get damned by the majority the Earth's population. :)
>>It's fun. Everyone should try living atheistic for just one week and then
>>maybe they'd act differently. Of course, it's not like a shoe change or
>>anything, but if it was possible.
>
>OK, there are some people that are born into a christian family, but a
>LOT of the christians from my church was not.
>A lot of my friends have atheist parents, so I'm sure they've tried
>living as atheists.
I think you missed my point. If you could take a week or two and deal with the
bullshit christians shovel on you, you might think twice about how you go about
your religion. That's all. Personally, I couldn't care less if you worshipped
small pieces of bark that fall off redwoods. I have a thick skin by now, that
people don't get to me anymore. I just think you're wrong and will continue to
think you're wrong for my entire life, and you will think the same about me.
That's all.
I learned long ago that attempting a religious argument is about as fun as
beating your head on a brick wall, so this'll be my final post involved in this
string. Hopefully.
LineNoise
<ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>sorry, make that www.positiveatheism.org
>GRR I cant believe I misspelled atheist twice :-(
Just a thought. You really don't need to leave in all of your own post
simply to add a link. We've already seen it once.
[Not touching the topic, no sirree]
LineNoise
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SilverRaven
<ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
>How long will it be before
>people finally give up religion?
When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
never.
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stay up too late thinking of popups and custom commands. (SRism)
SilverRaven
<gha...@ghashul.dk> pleaded:
>Are you saying that a LOT of people on this earth are insane freaks
>that just "hear voices".
This is a trick question right? ;-)
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SilverRaven
>I learned long ago that attempting a religious argument is about as fun as
>beating your head on a brick wall,
Tis fun ain't it. I just don't like the bruises that come along the
next day.
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have joined too many channels."
Ghashûl
<NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote:
>While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, Ghashûl
><gha...@ghashul.dk> pleaded:
>
>>Are you saying that a LOT of people on this earth are insane freaks
>>that just "hear voices".
>
>This is a trick question right? ;-)
LOL, yeah!
But I can tell between the "voices" and "The Voice".
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SilverRaven
<gha...@ghashul.dk> pleaded:
>On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:53:57 -0500, SilverRaven
><NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote:
>
>>While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, Ghashûl
>><gha...@ghashul.dk> pleaded:
>>
>>>Are you saying that a LOT of people on this earth are insane freaks
>>>that just "hear voices".
>>
>>This is a trick question right? ;-)
>
>LOL, yeah!
>But I can tell between the "voices" and "The Voice".
[SR nods knowingly]
Of course you can dear. Btw, I have this nice white jacket that I
think would look lovely on you. Care to try it on now please? :)
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Rich G.
themselves Handy Solo <handy...@pobox.com> allegedly wrote:
>Ok, I hesitate to go here, but I have to say that y'all might want to
>research your 'competition' a little more.
>
>Oh, and my catholic wife will be interested to know that she's not a
>'Christian'...
Thankee fer pointin' that out.
I'm done now too.
--
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'The Truth... It is a beautiful and terrible thing,
and should therefore be treated with great caution."
~Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter and the Sorcerors Stone.
Rastlin Twelve
news:3A514586...@mondenet.com...
>
>
> Gornul wrote:
> >
>
> {snip}
>
> >
> > Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of
Christian
> > beliefs, without all the theology differences of different
denominations) is
> > this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so
we can
> > get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else,
you're
> > going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal
differences
> > and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all
Christianity.
>
> My theology is rather weak, but I cannot believe that the concept of
> Christianity can be that one-sided. By your words, the belief in Jesus
> appears to be the focal point in determining the fate of your soul after
> death, while your other actions are secondary. I cannot imagine such an
> approach being valid.
Basically this approach is valid, in Christianity. Belief in Jesus gets you
saved but you must also follow him, thus the actions come into play.
> To me Christianity has always been about love to others, non-violence and
> faith, in that order. Not faith in Jesus in particular, but faith in God
> in general. I'm not Pope, and my word is not dogma but my personal
> opinion, but in my view a Muslim who lives his life in peace, helping
> others and believing in Allah is also a good Christian--even though he
does
> not know it. It is what you do that matters, not what name you give to
> your God.
While this is true it says in the bible that it's "by God's grace and not by
your own works that you have been saved". Though works are important and you
can't be a true Christian if you say you believe in Jesus than turn your
back on the world and do no good, it's not the good that saves you.
Gornul
> > To me Christianity has always been about love to others, non-violence and
> > faith, in that order. Not faith in Jesus in particular, but faith in God
> > in general. I'm not Pope, and my word is not dogma but my personal
> > opinion, but in my view a Muslim who lives his life in peace, helping
> > others and believing in Allah is also a good Christian--even though he
> does
> > not know it. It is what you do that matters, not what name you give to
> > your God.
>
> While this is true it says in the bible that it's "by God's grace and not by
> your own works that you have been saved". Though works are important and you
> can't be a true Christian if you say you believe in Jesus than turn your
> back on the world and do no good, it's not the good that saves you.
Or to put it another way: Works without faith are worthless. But faith without
works isn't true faith.
Gornul
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Nikita Synytskyy
"Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> wrote
{snip}
> While this is true it says in the bible that it's "by God's grace and not
by
> your own works that you have been saved". Though works are important and
you
> can't be a true Christian if you say you believe in Jesus than turn your
> back on the world and do no good, it's not the good that saves you.
That is quite remarkable! As you can probably tell my knowledge of
Christianity is rather weak, but it appears that my views on what makes a
good Christian are quite different from Christianity's view on the same
subject :0 Oh well...
Nikita.
Blade
<snip>
A wise man once said. "You have your religion...I have mine. Let's keep it
that way."
Enough said.
Blade
Agelmar
So basically, some dude thousands of years ago invented "God" to represent
all that we cannot understand, but he had a major ego complex and said that
we must all worship god, we all are born into sin and only God can save us,
God is just, just is measured in comparison to God.......
Ghashûl
wrote:
>So basically, some dude thousands of years ago invented "God" to represent
>all that we cannot understand, but he had a major ego complex and said that
>we must all worship god, we all are born into sin and only God can save us,
>God is just, just is measured in comparison to God.......
No.
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Agelmar
"SilverRaven" <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote in message
news:jnc35tot8kc5j1g6e...@4ax.com...
> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, "Agelmar"
> <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
>
> >How long will it be before
> >people finally give up religion?
>
> When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
> never.
Good response. And re: The Voice, people hear what they want to hear. Freak
occurances occur and we call it "An act of god." A tornado is called "an act
of God" by insurance companies, and yet God had nothing to do with it... a
blind man sees... he had a blood clot in his corroted arteries and the blood
clot moved on... he can see again... act of god... clot hits brain... hes
dead... act of god... yeah right, act of human body.
Rastlin Twelve
> So basically, some dude thousands of years ago invented "God" to represent
> all that we cannot understand, but he had a major ego complex and said
that
> we must all worship god, we all are born into sin and only God can save
us,
> God is just, just is measured in comparison to God.......
Someday you'll get it Ian, I just hope it's not too late.
Rastlin Twelve
> <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
>
> >How long will it be before
> >people finally give up religion?
>
> When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
> never.
As a Christian I TAKE full responsibility for my actions, and God forgives
me for them.
Time Goddess
news:7ut25t888g9cgddns...@ghashul.dk...
> Even darwin himself didn't believe in darwinism, he became a
> christian.
>
profess some form of evolution, including people who study such things for a
living. The myth that he "recanted" the theory (which is vastly different
from what is believed today, BTW) is just that.
Time Goddess
> You said there were two Jesus', not that Jesus had a twin brother.
>
Malibu Jesus, Pretty in Pink Jesus, Ballerina Jesus, Fantasy Princess
Jesus... They're still Jesus, just different varieties.
Gornul
{clears throat} Don't sic the squirrels on me for saying this, but are you by
any chance thinking of Barbie, and just really, *really* sleep deprived?
Gornul
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Time Goddess
> {clears throat} Don't sic the squirrels on me for saying this, but are
you by
> any chance thinking of Barbie, and just really, *really* sleep deprived?
>
Ghashûl
I don't have a problem with the big bang. I see no other way it could
have happened than by God.
The evolution I don't believe in not just cause I'm christian, it's
just plain nonsense.
Nobody has ever been able to explain it to me so it made sense.
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Agelmar
> "Agelmar" <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:_2p46.6$IC6...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net...
>
> > So basically, some dude thousands of years ago invented "God" to
represent
> > all that we cannot understand, but he had a major ego complex and said
> that
> > we must all worship god, we all are born into sin and only God can save
> us,
> > God is just, just is measured in comparison to God.......
>
> Someday you'll get it Ian, I just hope it's not too late.
I genuinely thank you for your genuine concern, and I'm sorry if I've been
improper in speaking so harshly against your beliefs, but please understand
my point of view. The way I see it, based on a book, people are throwing
away money that many of them despearately need into a huge organization,
people are wasting their lives (from my point of view)... So while I
appreciate your concern and hope that you are not angry at me for what I
have said, please understand my point of view and understand that I don't
believe in life after death, and as such, from my point of view, I am making
the best out of life.
Agelmar
/me looks at the dashboard of TG's caar <G>
Ghashûl
wrote:
OK, I don't live in US, so I've no idea what you're talking about.
What does money have to do with christianity?
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Ghashûl
wrote:
>
And how do I waste my life?
I'm still having fun.
I was up till 5 AM new years eve, without getting drunk and still had
the best time.
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Time Goddess
> /me looks at the dashboard of TG's caar <G>
>
Ashen Shugar
>Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
>beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations) is
>this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we can
>get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else, you're
>going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal differences
>and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all Christianity.
>
One note I think I'll make.
I haven't read the bible word for word (that could drive a person
insane, asdfas begat asdgouig begat ijkasdf begat... and so on for a
page or two) but from what I've heard, Hell is just absence from Gods
presence, and not necessarily all that fire and brimstone and stuff.
I believe I heard that all that stuff came from artistic license.
--
Ashen Shugar
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Ghashûl
Shugar) wrote:
>>
>>Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
>>beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations) is
>>this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we can
>>get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else, you're
>>going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal differences
>>and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all Christianity.
>>
>>Gornul
>
>One note I think I'll make.
>I haven't read the bible word for word (that could drive a person
>insane, asdfas begat asdgouig begat ijkasdf begat... and so on for a
>page or two) but from what I've heard, Hell is just absence from Gods
>presence, and not necessarily all that fire and brimstone and stuff.
>I believe I heard that all that stuff came from artistic license.
I haven't read the whole bible either, yet. I believe you're right.
But even so, it won't be fun living there (here?) with all the
christians gone and antiChrist running around...
Ashen Shugar
>represent
>> > all that we cannot understand, but he had a major ego complex and said
>> that
>> > we must all worship god, we all are born into sin and only God can save
>> us,
>> > God is just, just is measured in comparison to God.......
>>
>> Someday you'll get it Ian, I just hope it's not too late.
>
>I genuinely thank you for your genuine concern, and I'm sorry if I've been
>improper in speaking so harshly against your beliefs, but please understand
>my point of view. The way I see it, based on a book, people are throwing
>away money that many of them despearately need into a huge organization,
>people are wasting their lives (from my point of view)... So while I
>appreciate your concern and hope that you are not angry at me for what I
>have said, please understand my point of view and understand that I don't
>believe in life after death, and as such, from my point of view, I am making
>the best out of life.
The thing to understand as I see it, is that these people throwing
away money, wasting their lives, are doing something too make
themselves feel better about themselves. So even if there is no
"God", or heaven or life after death or anything, what they're doing
is still worth doing because it helps their lives, even if not their
physical well being.
Sure, the world would quite likely be a better place if religion never
existed, no holy wars or anything, but then again, who's to say what
might have happened instead if some people didn't have their religion
to hold them back?
I'd say organised religion is just another artifact of society that
can be used in whatever way humans wish to use it. Much like
government, it can benefit the people, or it can damn them.
Only my opinions of course.
--
Ashen Shugar
'The wicked go to hells,
the good go to heavens
and the pure neither live nor even die,
but those hit on the head tend to fall unconscious.'
Ashen Shugar
>>I genuinely thank you for your genuine concern, and I'm sorry if I've been
>>improper in speaking so harshly against your beliefs, but please understand
>>my point of view. The way I see it, based on a book, people are throwing
>>away money that many of them despearately need into a huge organization,
>>people are wasting their lives (from my point of view)... So while I
>>appreciate your concern and hope that you are not angry at me for what I
>>have said, please understand my point of view and understand that I don't
>>believe in life after death, and as such, from my point of view, I am making
>>the best out of life.
>>
>
>OK, I don't live in US, so I've no idea what you're talking about.
>What does money have to do with christianity?
Like he says, people are giving their money to religious organisations
to build prettier churches when they should instead be using it to
make sure their kids are getting enough to eat.
Agelmar
"Ashen Shugar" <abysso...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3a583dc2...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>
> >>I genuinely thank you for your genuine concern, and I'm sorry if I've
been
> >>improper in speaking so harshly against your beliefs, but please
understand
> >>my point of view. The way I see it, based on a book, people are throwing
> >>away money that many of them despearately need into a huge organization,
> >>people are wasting their lives (from my point of view)... So while I
> >>appreciate your concern and hope that you are not angry at me for what I
> >>have said, please understand my point of view and understand that I
don't
> >>believe in life after death, and as such, from my point of view, I am
making
> >>the best out of life.
> >>
> >
> >OK, I don't live in US, so I've no idea what you're talking about.
> >What does money have to do with christianity?
>
> Like he says, people are giving their money to religious organisations
> to build prettier churches when they should instead be using it to
> make sure their kids are getting enough to eat.
>
Exactly... and look back in history for even better examples... early
europe, people are starving, dying of malnutrition, and yet giving their
last dime to the Church. Then there was the Crusades...
Łřrd Łandřn
wrote:
Ok, this is the ONLY thing I am going to say about this:
>I think what Rastlin means is that no other religion (that I know of, anyway)
>believes in Heaven and Hell in the same sense Christianity does. There's
>purgatory for the Catholics (not saying anything bad about Catholics, my best
>friend happens to be a Catholic), sacrifices instead of saving Grace as the way
>to Heaven in Judaism, etc.
I think one should go to the source of the comment instead of trying
to figure out what was said even if it is correct.
Ummmm ok, that's VERY interesting. Sure if you ever watched the Ten
Commandsments you'd see scenes where people were paying tribute to
statues & sacrifising yes. Ok, now that we're 3,000 (the jewish
calendar is like 5700 or 5800 by now - dont get me started on hebrew
windows being Y6K complient ;-) years ahead of that, get a clue. We
WONT get into a certain ANTI-jew who slaughtered MILLIONS of them
because the hippocrite @$$ that he was killed people that weren't
perfect. Hmm, I seem to remember a short, slightly balding, BLACK
HAIRED dictator running around. Did he commit suicide?
This is NOT an assault on ANYBODY'S beliefs what-so-ever. Just trying
to make a point (that may have gone a bit overboard). I personally
dont give a rats bum what religeon (SP?) you are. Im an equal
oppourtunity discriminitor (SP?), I hate everybody EQUALLY regardless
of race, color, relig beliefs etc. Dont get me wrong, I dont HATE
anybody. Strong dilike sure, but hate ? No. I dislike them for what
they have done to ME and my family, but NOT cause of where they come
from or who they are.
Łřrd Łandřn
Farewell Mr Schulz! It was a pleasure to read your genius over the years.
You'll be sorely missed!
CURSE YOU RED BARON!!!!
Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Linus, Lucy ... how can I ever forget them ...
-- Charles Schulz --
SilverRaven
<rastli...@remove.home.com> pleaded:
>"SilverRaven" <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote in message
>news:jnc35tot8kc5j1g6e...@4ax.com...
>> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, "Agelmar"
>> <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
>>
>> >How long will it be before
>> >people finally give up religion?
>>
>> When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
>> never.
>
>As a Christian I TAKE full responsibility for my actions, and God forgives
>me for them.
Sorry, I've seen too many Christians that say "It's god's will"
because they don't want to accept that sometimes life sucks or they
don't want to be responsible for certain acts in their lives.
I'm happy you're doing well in your religion, but until you've lived
the years I have (as in you become a full fledged adult for a few
years) I can only give your opinions a certain amount of validity.
Once you've been an adult for a while, then we can have this chat
again. Until then, be a decent person in whatever religion you choose
to follow.
--
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SilverRaven
<gha...@ghashul.dk> pleaded:
"Pass the collection plate"
Sound familiar?
"Tithe 10%"
Sound familiar?
Churches that look nicer then most hotels.
Minister type people driving Mercedes.
--
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Keep me safe from trouble and pain
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Jo'Shai
I don't care if it rains or freezes
As long as I've got my Plastic Jesus
Glued to the dashboard of my car,
You can buy Him phosphorescent
Glows in the dark, He's Pink and Pleasant,
Take Him with you when you're travelling far
I don't care if it's dark or scary
Long as I have magnetic Mary
Ridin' on the dashboard of my car
I feel I'm protected amply
I've got the whole damn Holy Family
Riding on the dashboard of my car
You can buy a Sweet Madonna
Dressed in rhinestones sitting on a
Pedestal of abalone shell
Goin' ninety, I'm not wary
'Cause I've got my Virgin Mary
Guaranteeing I won't go to Hell
I don't care what they say, I'm gonna
Keep on prayin' to that pink madonna
Melted to the dashboard of my car.
Goin' ninety, I'm not wary
'Cause I've got my Virgin Mary
Guaranteeing I won't go to Hell
I don't care if it bumps or jostles
Long as I got the Twelve Apostles
Bolted to the dashboard of my car
Don't I have a pious mess
Such a crowd of holiness
Strung across the dashboard of my car
No, I don't care if it rains or freezes
Long as I have my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
But I think he'll have to go
His magnet ruins my radio
And if we have a wreck he'll leave a scar
Riding through the thoroughfare
With his nose up in the air
A wreck may be ahead, but he don't mind
Trouble coming, he don't see
He just keeps his eyes on me
And any other thing that lies behind
{as refrain}
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Though the sun shines on his back
Makes him peel, chip, and crack
A little patching keeps him up to par
When pedestrians try to cross
I let them know who's boss
I never blow my horn or give them warning
I ride all over town
Trying to run them down
And it's seldom that they live to see the morning
{as refrain}
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
His halo fits just right
And I use it as a sight
And they'll scatter or they'll splatter near and far
When I'm in a traffic jam
He don't care if I say Damn
I can let all sorts of curses roll
Plastic Jesus doesn't hear
For he has a plastic ear
The man who invented plastic saved my soul
{as refrain}
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Once his robe was snowy white
Now it isn't quite so bright
Stained by the smoke of my cigar
God made Christ a Holy Jew
God made Him a Christian too
Paradoxes populate my car
Joseph beams with a feigned elan
From the shaggy dash of my furlined van
Famous cuckold in the master plan
Naughty Mary, smug and smiling
Jesus dainty and beguiling
Knee-deep in the piling of my van
His message clear by night or day
My phosphorescent plastic Gay
Simpering from the dashboard of my van
When I'm goin' fornicatin
I got my ceramic Satan
Sinnin' on the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
The women know I'm on the level
Thanks to the wild-eyed stoneware devil
Ridin' on the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
Sneerin' from the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
Leering from the dashboard of my van
If I weave around at night
And the police think I'm tight
They'll never find my bottle, though they ask
Plastic Jesus shelters me
For His head comes off, you see
He's hollow, and I use Him for a flask
{as refrain}
Plastic Jesus, plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Ride with me and have a dram
Of the blood of the Lamb
Plastic Jesus is a holy bar
I don't care if I'm broke or starvin'
As long as I've got a fish named Darwin
Glued to the trunklid of my car
God, I'm feeling so evolved
Drivin' with my problems solved
Proclaiming what I think of what we are
Riding home one foggy night,
With my honey cuddled tight,
I missed a curve and off the road we veered.
My windshield got smashed-up good,
And my darling graced the hood.
Plastic Jesus, He had disappeared.
{As refrain}
Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
No longer chides me with His holy grin.
Doctors in the X-ray room
Found Him in my darling's womb.
Someday, He'll be born again!
I don't care if it rains or freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
He's the dude with the rusty nails,
Walks on water, don't need no sails
Riding on the dashboard of me car
I don't care if the night is scary
As long as I got the Virgin Mary
Sittin' on the dashboard of my car.
She don't slip and she don't slide
Cuz her ass is magnetized
Sittin' on the dashboard of my car.
--
Jo'Shai
~Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their
shoes~
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LineNoise
<gha...@ghashul.dk> gave us the following Prophecy:
>On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:49:01 -0600, "Time Goddess"
><majestr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Ghashûl" <gha...@ghashul.dk> wrote in message
>>news:7ut25t888g9cgddns...@ghashul.dk...
>>> Even darwin himself didn't believe in darwinism, he became a
>>> christian.
>>>
>> Darwin was already a Christian, as are many- if not most- of those who
>>profess some form of evolution, including people who study such things for a
>>living. The myth that he "recanted" the theory (which is vastly different
>>from what is believed today, BTW) is just that.
>>
>
>I don't have a problem with the big bang. I see no other way it could
>have happened than by God.
>
>The evolution I don't believe in not just cause I'm christian, it's
>just plain nonsense.
>Nobody has ever been able to explain it to me so it made sense.
Evolution is the only thing that *does* make sense. The failing is not in
the theory, more likely you've just had sucky teachers.
LineNoise
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Grand Fromage
>>beating your head on a brick wall,
>
>Tis fun ain't it. I just don't like the bruises that come along the
>next day.
Yeah, those are nasty. Also if the wall still has protruding sharp things.
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"The menu includes such tasty dishes as Wut Da Fuk, Sum Dum Chik, Cum Sum Soop,
Nas Tea, Afoo Yuitz Rilydog, and the savory Goo Ey Shet."
Grand Fromage
>just plain nonsense.
>Nobody has ever been able to explain it to me so it made sense.
Traits of an organism are caused by its genome. When weak genes combine, it
makes a weak creature. Weak creature dies. Strong genomes survive and
reproduce, passing along the strong genes to their offspring. Offspring get
stronger, weak ones die. Et cetera.
Rastlin Twelve
I'm glad you see it this way. I'm not trying to be a religious fanatic
saying you're all unclean or what not. I honestly care about the souls of
every single person here, and from my point of view, they're not looking to
great. This is is me caring. I appreciate that you can understand that.
And about the book thing, it's not people doing this because of a book. It's
hard to explain what it's like to "know God", but believe me, that's why I'm
doing this, it's not because of the bible, it's because of the truth in the
bible, and what I know. It's a feeling, to know God. And it's amazing. :)
Grand Fromage
>saying you're all unclean or what not.
Speaking of which, did you KF me? :P I haven't noticed a reply to any of my
posts/chat messages in months.
Although posting "Did you KF me?" is probably about as pointless of a question
as "Did I wake you up?" "Oh, no... I'm talking in my sleep."
Agelmar
My point re: the Book and knowing God was that, if the Bible had not been
written thousands of years ago, yada yada yada would people today "know
God"?
P.S. Glad you appreciate my understanding :-)
Agelmar
> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, "Rastlin Twelve"
> <rastli...@remove.home.com> pleaded:
>
> >"SilverRaven" <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote in message
> >news:jnc35tot8kc5j1g6e...@4ax.com...
> >> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, "Agelmar"
> >> <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
> >>
> >> >How long will it be before
> >> >people finally give up religion?
> >>
> >> When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
> >> never.
> >
> >As a Christian I TAKE full responsibility for my actions, and God
forgives
> >me for them.
>
> Sorry, I've seen too many Christians that say "It's god's will"
> because they don't want to accept that sometimes life sucks or they
> don't want to be responsible for certain acts in their lives.
>
> I'm happy you're doing well in your religion, but until you've lived
> the years I have (as in you become a full fledged adult for a few
> years) I can only give your opinions a certain amount of validity.
> Once you've been an adult for a while, then we can have this chat
> again. Until then, be a decent person in whatever religion you choose
> to follow.
Oooh, I just get chills when SR gets involved in a conversation :-)
Cursim
> "Handy Solo" <handy...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:g0d25t8dk9g7i7uu2...@4ax.com...
> > "Rastlin Twelve" <rastli...@remove.home.com> allegedly wrote:
> >
> > <>
> >
> > > Non-Denominational Christian, and it's Jesus, the non-Mormon Jesus,
the real
> > > Jesus. And as far as I know you won't go to Hell if you believe in
Jesus
> > > because I don't think that any other religions believe in Heaven and
Hell,
> > > except Christianity or Christianity-based religions.
> >
> > Eep!
>
> I think what Rastlin means is that no other religion (that I know of,
anyway)
> believes in Heaven and Hell in the same sense Christianity does. There's
> purgatory for the Catholics (not saying anything bad about Catholics, my
best
> friend happens to be a Catholic), sacrifices instead of saving Grace as
the way
> to Heaven in Judaism, etc.
BAM! Thaz me. You go to purgatory when you have lived a life that isn't
worthy the torture of Hell, but you still aren't "prepared" for Heaven. In
purgatory, you wait awhile, then go to heaven. Father Tom from my school
says its a place you go where you are overcome with desire to be with God. A
good example would be if you Believed in Christ, and tried your best to live
your life by him, but had a few sins you hadn't asked for forgivenes for
yet. Thus, because you believed in Christ, and deserve heaven, but still
have some stuff left to take care of before you go on
>
> Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of Christian
> beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations)
is
> this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so we
can
> get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else,
you're
> going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal
differences
> and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all
Christianity.
--
Cursim
"The Universe is already insane, anything else would
just be redundant"
--Londo Mollari, Centauri Ambassador to babylon 5
"Sex is good and Beer is free, we're the class of 2003"
--C. Thompson, Sophpmore, PJPII High School
"Stupid people piss me off"
--J. Peterson
Cursim
> "Ghashûl" <gha...@ghashul.dk> wrote in message
> news:7ut25t888g9cgddns...@ghashul.dk...
> > Even darwin himself didn't believe in darwinism, he became a
> > christian.
> >
> Darwin was already a Christian, as are many- if not most- of those who
> profess some form of evolution, including people who study such things for
a
> living. The myth that he "recanted" the theory (which is vastly different
> from what is believed today, BTW) is just that.
>
Again, Father Tom (I keep mentioning him because he was an excellent
religion teacher, and for the life of us all we couldn't stump him in
anyhting theological!) told me that The Catholic Church believes (or at
least lets its followers believe without condemning them) that Evolution is
real--but it is guided by the hand of God.
Cursim
> >
> >Non-demoninational Christianity (which is basically the heart of
Christian
> >beliefs, without all the theology differences of different denominations)
is
> >this: If you believe in Jesus, follow His word, believe that He died so
we can
> >get to heaven, and accept that , then you're going to heaven. Else,
you're
> >going to hell, no matter how good a person you are. Put doctrinal
differences
> >and everything else aside, and that is the common concept of all
Christianity.
> >
> >Gornul
>
> One note I think I'll make.
> I haven't read the bible word for word (that could drive a person
> insane, asdfas begat asdgouig begat ijkasdf begat... and so on for a
> page or two) but from what I've heard, Hell is just absence from Gods
> presence, and not necessarily all that fire and brimstone and stuff.
> I believe I heard that all that stuff came from artistic license.
>
Ashen, Father Tom at my school said the EXACT same thing, and he is a
Catholic priest. Hell is 'Eternal frustration and complete absence of God'.
Since God is all that is good, Hell isn't a good place. I Doubt you burn and
torture though. Never heard Anyone officially teach that.
Time Goddess
news:92u3cs$838d0$2...@ID-33640.news.dfncis.de...
> Again, Father Tom (I keep mentioning him because he was an excellent
> religion teacher, and for the life of us all we couldn't stump him in
> anyhting theological!) told me that The Catholic Church believes (or at
> least lets its followers believe without condemning them) that Evolution
is
> real--but it is guided by the hand of God.
>
all right to research the origin of life/the universe/etc., and that it
would be accepted by the Church as scientific fact (as much as any can be,
but that's irrelevant), as long as he didn't go into the *moment* of
creation. I can't quite remember why, but I think it was because that would
be a time that only God should experience or something.
Time Goddess
> My point re: the Book and knowing God was that, if the Bible had not been
> written thousands of years ago, yada yada yada would people today "know
> God"?
>
go either way. After all, the Jewish were around for a long time before they
were conquered and wrote the Old Testament. Of course, before then their
stories (I'm not saying it's fiction or anything, I'm just using the word to
refer to their myths and histories in general) were passed by the spoken
word, so one could argue that they in fact *did* have a form of the Bible.
The same would probably have happened if they had never put said stories
into writing, or if parts/all of the New Testament hadn't been put down.
So if nothing else, many people would know God through stories handed
down to them by their ancestors. If, however, we assume that God is
real/omnipotent/omniscient, and at some point the tales weren't wide-spread
enough/had all been warped beyond His original intent, I suppose that He
would tell us again. After all, He had to in the first place, didn't He?
Civilizations that weren't informed of His presence tended to develop
multi-deity pantheons, so I would guess that to know God in later life
without being told about Him by someone else, you would have to be raised in
a religion that worships Him from the beginning. I don't know if this
paragraph made any sense once I actually typed it out.
Anyway, that's why I think it could go either way. Either the "myth"
would die out, it would become so ingrained in our ancestral memory that
God-worshiping religion(s) would be inevitable, or He would demonstrate
Himself in some way to make people remember. All assuming that He's real and
He gives a care about the topic, of course; I will not comment either way.
Cursim
> >news:7ut25t888g9cgddns...@ghashul.dk...
> >> Even darwin himself didn't believe in darwinism, he became a
> >> christian.
> >>
> > Darwin was already a Christian, as are many- if not most- of those
who
> >profess some form of evolution, including people who study such things
for a
> >living. The myth that he "recanted" the theory (which is vastly different
> >from what is believed today, BTW) is just that.
> >
>
> have happened than by God.
>
> just plain nonsense.
> Nobody has ever been able to explain it to me so it made sense.
I have a theory. I believe God formed the universe in such a way that, if
studied, it would look like he didn't do it, that it occurred on its own. I
also believe he does this today. He is a subtle God. He won't outright say
"Cursim stop saying 'God damn it' right now!" He might force me to trip over
a stick that just happened to be there after I say such a thing, which,
after I hit the ground, makes me bite my tongue. Thats the way I believe God
works. He does things subtley(sp?). He created the universe, animals,
people, in such a way that its not so obvious he did it. Thats why we much
have faith.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
--
Cursim
"The Universe is already insane, anything else would
just be redundant"
--Londo Mollari, Centauri Ambassador to babylon 5
"Sex is good and Beer is free, we're the class of 2003"
--C. Thompson, Sophpmore, PJPII High School
"Stupid people piss me off"
--J. Peterson
>
Cursim
"SilverRaven" <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote in message
news:jnc35tot8kc5j1g6e...@4ax.com...
> While kneeling at the alter of the alt.* hierarchy, "Agelmar"
> <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> pleaded:
>
> >How long will it be before
> >people finally give up religion?
>
> When man can finally take responsibility for his actions. Read that as
> never.
Nice one. Here Here!
Cursim
"sh" <sh...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:kuk25tk35316ie8d1...@4ax.com...
> Stephen van Ham <sva...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:45:03 -0500, "Blade" <bl...@on.aibn.com> wrote:
> >
> ><>
> >
> >>OMFG.....Imagine logging on this morning and finding your lvl 90 hc
dead!
> >>THE HORROR!
> >>I'd shoot someone....or myself....heh
> >
> >Hehe, don't even JOKE about such a thing. Some people probably WOULD
> >shoot themselves if they found their level 90 stripped of all their
> >hard won trinkets.
>
> I sure hope there aren't any people that are that far gone. While it
> would piss me off, in the end this is just a game. Of course it also
> shows why it's best not to be at the forefront as there is always
> someone looking to bring you down no matter what. In this case they
> hack into your account and still the good stuff. I wonder if the
> hackers are just selling the stuff, keeping it, or just letting it
> disappear so they can tick off people.
>
People don't get mad because they lost the character. They get mad because
they lost the TIME they spent on the character. The character itself means
little. The TIME means a lot, since time is so short this short life.
Cursim
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:32:21 -0600, "Time Goddess"
> <majestr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Grand Fromage" <ppk...@aol.comediespam> wrote in message
> >news:20010101232437...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
> >> /me wants TG to explain... can only think of the original jesus and
jesus
> >> post-ressurection as an explanation
> >>
> > Skippy. Jesus' evil twin. How could you not know about Skippy?
"...And
> >if I die before I wake/ I pray the Lord my soul should take/Instead of
his
> >evil twin brother, Skippy..."
> >
>
> You said there were two Jesus', not that Jesus had a twin brother.
> I doubt he had a TWIN brother, but I'm positive Joseph and Maria had
> lots of kids after Jesus.
Joseph + Mary =/= (does not equal) Jesus
God + Mary = Jesus
Cursim
> "Agelmar" <ia...@NOSPAMmediaone.net> wrote in message
> > /me looks at the dashboard of TG's caar <G>
> >
> Okay, Barbie is the *other* plastic incarnation of Jesus.
TG, stop. This is making a mockery of God, The god I believe in. Believe in
whatever you wish, but PLEASE don't mock that which I believe in
(Im asking nicely. Don't falme me for this)
Rastlin Twelve
> >I'm glad you see it this way. I'm not trying to be a religious fanatic
> >saying you're all unclean or what not.
>
> Speaking of which, did you KF me? :P I haven't noticed a reply to any of
my
> posts/chat messages in months.
>
> Although posting "Did you KF me?" is probably about as pointless of a
question
> as "Did I wake you up?" "Oh, no... I'm talking in my sleep."
Nope, I haven't KFed you (unless you me Kamabazzo Franklin) sorry I've been
ignoring you, it's completely by mistake, I swear! :p
Time Goddess
> TG, stop. This is making a mockery of God, The god I believe in. Believe
in
> whatever you wish, but PLEASE don't mock that which I believe in
>
argument. A small one. Not like the one I did. I apologize if I offended
you, though.