Buy a computer, get a space heater free!
Nicholas Knight
Until now I've been able to ignore it, but the fine line has been crossed.
When it's been 35-40F outside, I've had to open a nearby window AND turn
on the 18" fan next to it and aim it right at myself when playing EQ.
There is no inanimate object in this place generating a noticable amount
of heat except for what's sitting on my desk. One laptop, one 19" CRT
monitor, one desktop system with an AthlonXP, GF4, and 7200RPM HDD.
I will not be needing to turn on the space heater behind me while my
desktop is on this winter. In the summer I expect to have to turn the
desktop OFF at times despite the AC unit that does a pretty damn good job
of cooling off the entire apartment.
And, of course, the next generation of everything is just going to run
even hotter. The cooling unit on the GeForceFX (nv30) is just dandy:
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q4/021118/geforcefx-03.html
What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
go redesign everything to reduce heat?
--
R.I.P. TCM 1993-2002
Thanks, Vince.
Nicholas Knight
> Hopefully Gainward will introduce a Dual-DVI version of the NV30 asap..
> I guess I could do with dual-analog, but I think one day I may well want
> to upgrade to flatpanel monitors.
*thwap*
Agelmar
> Agelmar wrote:
>
>> Hopefully Gainward will introduce a Dual-DVI version of the NV30 asap..
>> I guess I could do with dual-analog, but I think one day I may well want
>> to upgrade to flatpanel monitors.
>
> *thwap*
What? :P
In all seriousness, I'm glad that they finally went to a two-socket space
deisgn. Anyone who tries to put something next to a GF4 Ti4600 is frickin'
nuts. There just isn't any room, the fan will be right up against the other
card and will get no real airflow. They are finally realizing that and
taking advantage of the fact that no sane person is putting another card
right next to the GF. I hope they can work the noise out a bit, but frankly
I have 5 fans going in the case as it is, plus three 7200 RPM drives
internal and a 7200RPM drive external, plus a Dragon Orb 3 which is loud as
fsck. I don't think it's going to make much of a difference. The fact that
they say the air is hot to the touch is somewhat disturbing, but oh well,
it's performance baby :-) At least they're channeling the air outside of the
computer :-).
£ørd £andøn
>I have 5 fans going in the case as it is
God damn dude! You trying to tell us your puter would fry in 5 minutes
without all those fans?
--
£ørd £andøn
When all good things come to an end; The only thing left will be Eternity
La vie est simple; Manger, Dormir, Naviguer Sur Internet
Agelmar
Hopefully Gainward will introduce a Dual-DVI version of the NV30 asap.. I
Agelmar
> Squire Agelmar came out of their castle & wrote:
>
>> I have 5 fans going in the case as it is
>
> God damn dude! You trying to tell us your puter would fry in 5 minutes
> without all those fans?
In 5 minutes? Probably not. But it would not be at the temperature levels I
want it to be at.
Power supply has two fans in it, then I have one fan in front and two in
back, plus perforation on the bottom of the side panel, such that I get
adequate flow. Fan in front brings air in over the southbridge and RAID
controller chip, also gets some going over the harddrives, PSU sucks up air
and takes it out, fan in back conveniently channels air over the GF4, and
additional air is sucked in through the holes in the lower part of the side
of the case, and brought up over the PCI cards. Air also flows right over
the CPU and out the power supply and other rear fan. I get beautiful
airflow, and it keeps all my temperatures at optimal levels.
Dalai Lama
<nkn...@pocketinet.com> wrote:
>Component manufacturers need to be shot.
>
>Until now I've been able to ignore it, but the fine line has been crossed.
>When it's been 35-40F outside, I've had to open a nearby window AND turn
>on the 18" fan next to it and aim it right at myself when playing EQ.
>There is no inanimate object in this place generating a noticable amount
>of heat except for what's sitting on my desk. One laptop, one 19" CRT
>monitor, one desktop system with an AthlonXP, GF4, and 7200RPM HDD.
>I will not be needing to turn on the space heater behind me while my
>desktop is on this winter.
Same here- alternating between no heat (besides comp) and cooling fan.
>What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
>go redesign everything to reduce heat?
Even the Puppeteers Kemplar rosette wouldn't solve this problem.
--
Dalai Lama
<ifetteNOs...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In all seriousness, I'm glad that they finally went to a two-socket space
>deisgn.
Cheating is not a solution.
> Anyone who tries to put something next to a GF4 Ti4600 is frickin'
>nuts.
No choice at the moment- with 6 slots my cards are full, and I've got
two more to go in at the moment, and likely a third or fourth soon.
--
Caton Little
>
<snip>
> >What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
> >go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>
> Even the Puppeteers Kemplar rosette wouldn't solve this problem.
ISTR it being spelt Klemperer... but ICBW :)
--
Caton Little | cat at ihug mumble co mumble nz
------------------+---------------------------------------------
"Everything I wish I didn't know, I learned on the internet"
Caton Little
>
> <insert cute attribution here> Nicholas Knight at
> <nkn...@pocketinet.com> said:
>
> > What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little
> > engineers go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>
I was going to suggest a *cash* inducement, but now that you mention it,
I imagine a good deal of the engineers concerned would probably find
your suggestion a lot more compelling :)
Sean Keenan
<nkn...@pocketinet.com> said:
> What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little
> engineers go redesign everything to reduce heat?
Pussy. =/
--
What, you expected something relevant?
Handy Solo
> Dalai Lama wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > >What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
> > >go redesign everything to reduce heat?
> >
> > Even the Puppeteers Kemplar rosette wouldn't solve this problem.
>
> ISTR it being spelt Klemperer... but ICBW :)
Hmmm... I was thinking Kempler, but IaCBW
--
Chris Kasten
7six0393six
http://www.kasten-family.com/chris/
I am dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.
Sean Keenan
> Sean Keenan wrote:
>>
>> <insert cute attribution here> Nicholas Knight at
>> <nkn...@pocketinet.com> said:
>>
>>> What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little
>>> engineers go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>>
>> Pussy. =/
>
> I was going to suggest a *cash* inducement, but now that you mention
> it, I imagine a good deal of the engineers concerned would probably
> find your suggestion a lot more compelling :)
Meh. That would stop them from working. Meh. You're goading me on,
aren't you?
Christopher Childs
news:arbq35$guvef$1...@ID-30799.news.dfncis.de:
> "Łřrd Łandřn" <byt...@hotmail.com> schrieb:
>> Squire Agelmar came out of their castle & wrote:
>>
>>> I have 5 fans going in the case as it is
>>
>> God damn dude! You trying to tell us your puter would fry in 5
>> minutes without all those fans?
>
> In 5 minutes? Probably not. But it would not be at the temperature
> levels I want it to be at.
>
<snip>
I get beautiful airflow, and it keeps all my temperatures at
> optimal levels.
>
I'll be happy to let you know my P3-850 serves as an air conditioner.
That could explain why this corner is always freezing. Seriously, the
air blowing out of this case is colder than the air surrounding it. Go
wood stove!
Handy Solo
<>
> >What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
> >go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>
> Even the Puppeteers Kemplar rosette wouldn't solve this problem.
+2 pts for slipping in the Niven reference.
--
Chris Kasten
7six0393six
http://www.kasten-family.com/chris/
If the women don't find you handsome,
They should at least find you Handy...
Nicholas Knight
What do you HAVE in there?
Mike
<nkn...@pocketinet.com> wrote:
Oh poor nicky.
Mike aka MM
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You can get SetiTeam for tracking your Seti addiction at:
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Nicholas Knight
> Oh poor nicky.
> Mike aka MM
Fascinating. Even the people I like are losing that distinction.
Nicholas Knight
> <insert cute attribution here> Caton Little at <c...@ihug.co.nz> said:
>
>> Sean Keenan wrote:
>>>
>>> <insert cute attribution here> Nicholas Knight at
>>> <nkn...@pocketinet.com> said:
>>>
>>>> What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little
>>>> engineers go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>>>
>>> Pussy. =/
>>
>> I was going to suggest a *cash* inducement, but now that you mention
>> it, I imagine a good deal of the engineers concerned would probably
>> find your suggestion a lot more compelling :)
>
> Meh. That would stop them from working. Meh. You're goading me on,
> aren't you?
We could provide them with an alternative. What's the engineering
equivilant of a Prog[r]asm?
http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/html/entry/progasm.html
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20010107.html
Craig
>
> Fascinating. Even the people I like are losing that distinction.
>
He's "liking" people?
Why wasn't I informed? I'm supposed to be informed in any changes in subject
62.
Next thing you'll be telling me that the Agelmar project is developing a
sense of humour
Craig
Nicholas Knight
>
>>
>> Fascinating. Even the people I like are losing that distinction.
>>
> Whats this?
> He's "liking" people?
> Why wasn't I informed? I'm supposed to be informed in any changes in
> subject 62.
This is hardly a change. I wouldn't even be here if there weren't people I
liked. It would be absurd.
Jimmy Nilzohn
<ifetteNOs...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Nicholas Knight" <nkn...@pocketinet.com> schrieb:
>> Agelmar wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully Gainward will introduce a Dual-DVI version of the NV30 asap..
>>> I guess I could do with dual-analog, but I think one day I may well want
>>> to upgrade to flatpanel monitors.
I just got my pair of Samsung 191T's, and I'm very impressed.
>>
>> *thwap*
>
>What? :P
>
>In all seriousness, I'm glad that they finally went to a two-socket space
>deisgn.
You need to get some sleep. It's pathetic. No card like that is going
near my systems. I need all slots. The speed race needs a pause, just
like Nick said.
>Anyone who tries to put something next to a GF4 Ti4600 is frickin'
>nuts.
Then let us, the consumers, give them, the engineers, some time to
construct normalsized cards - like any Ti4200. If we gave them a
couple of months, the Ti4400- and 4600-based cards wouldn't be larger
than any Ti4200. Trust me on this one.
> There just isn't any room, the fan will be right up against the other
>card and will get no real airflow. They are finally realizing that and
>taking advantage of the fact that no sane person is putting another card
>right next to the GF.
Did you just call me "not sane"? There are no options here.
<snip>
>is somewhat disturbing, but oh well, it's performance baby :-)
Good summary. *sigh*
..
Jimmy Nilzohn
Spectre
Geekasm is probably a suitable term.
--
Josh
~Does it even really matter? Probably not. Nothing matters. I don't
matter. How I feel doesn't matter? Do I even feel? Feel anything?
Emotion? At all? I don't even know anymore~
~Cot0Sig#18~CotSRSig#39~CotBSig#80~CotCSig#200~CotSSS#7~
~ICQ # 36one2one84~AIM: Spectre45~
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Dalai Lama
<nkn...@pocketinet.com> wrote:
>> No choice at the moment- with 6 slots my cards are full, and I've got
>> two more to go in at the moment, and likely a third or fourth soon.
>What do you HAVE in there?
1) GF 4200
2) DSL modem (external modem is on the wish list)
3) Soundblaster
4) 56K USR non-winmodem (might get yanked)
5) 4 USB port expansion (only have 2 built in) - this is on the yank
list, though the last thing I need taking up more desk space is a hub.
6) M-Audio 10/10 (8 channels ADA converter)
7) Ethernet card (this one just got pulled-only put it in so I could
access DSL via second computer and ISP doesn't allow that)
8) Dio 2448 S/PDIF I/O card - (2 more channels ADA) this is going
planned expansions:
9) The best SCSI card on the market to support
10) either a second 10/10, an Aardvark QC10 or a Layla Echo.
I don't think I'll be trying more than 16 channels of audio on this
machine- though I'd like to do 48 or 64 on the next one.
--
The Ayn Rand Institute is a bunch of idiots.
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>Dalai Lama <daiail...@aol.com> allegedly wrote:
>
><>
>
>> >What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little engineers
>> >go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>>
>> Even the Puppeteers Kemplar rosette wouldn't solve this problem.
>+2 pts for slipping in the Niven reference.
With all the miscellaneous shouts and ooc's in the Nexus and Bazaar, I
keep expecting to hear players offering Rishathra for donations
instead of KEI.
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>Sean Keenan wrote:
>>
>> <insert cute attribution here> Nicholas Knight at
>> <nkn...@pocketinet.com> said:
>>
>> > What say we halt the speed race for 12 months and all the little
>> > engineers go redesign everything to reduce heat?
>>
>> Pussy. =/
>I was going to suggest a *cash* inducement, but now that you mention it,
>I imagine a good deal of the engineers concerned would probably find
>your suggestion a lot more compelling :)
Oh sure, as if the vid cards don't run hot enough now- after this
idea, they will run hotter, wetter and probably have a few vibrating
modes. On the plus side, USB3 might have some more interesting plug
and play options.
Dalai Lama
Subject 62 tried to assert that on line 50 of a recent reply to the
evil alien hive mind termed Ashen Shugar. Perhaps a similar snore
generator to the one we installed in Shawn 17's auditory memory would
help subject 62 to regain his fragile perch on reality?
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>>Subject 62 tried to assert that on line 50 of a recent reply to the
>>evil alien hive mind termed Ashen Shugar. Perhaps a similar snore
>>generator to the one we installed in Shawn 17's auditory memory would
>>help subject 62 to regain his fragile perch on reality?
>Wait a minute! He had a perch on reality? I thought everyone here had
>left reality far behind. Shows what I get for thinking.
Before you can learn to fly above reality, you have to perch properly.
>BTW, where do I go to get the snore generator removed?
Happily, there is a proven method- 20 years of recovering repressed
childhood memories. As you go through the various causes, you will
eventually reach one about a camping trip. On this camping trip, you
snuck away from the group and went over the hill. There you saw a
glade full of nekkid beauties, each beckoning you to come join them,
but just as you got within arms reach, they all fired up competition
sized chain saws and began trying to attack you. The therapist
will try to get you to see this as a dream, with the chain saw sound
repressed into nothing more than a horrendous snore. That's not
true. It is because your brain thinks it is a dream that it keeps
revisiting the scenario trying to figure it out. The episode in
the woods really happened to you, so just deal with it, move on, and
the snoring will vanish. You should be thankful you weren't on the
Trauma Team carrying out the memory implant. Four of the nymphettes
had accidental loppage of a body part.
PS. Nymphette #317b said to tell you she hopes there's no hard
feelings and still wants to hook up with you. There's some sort of
loud rumbling sound coming from behind her, so I'm not sure it's safe.
Rich G.
Dalai Lama sneezed and it sounded like:
with luck the rumbling sound isn't indicative of a mexican lunch and it's just a
stihl
--
Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html
Rich G. http://simplerich.diaryland.com/
"You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people
can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage."
-- (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)
Rich G.
Nicholas Knight sneezed and it sounded like:
> Craig wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Fascinating. Even the people I like are losing that distinction.
>>>
>> Whats this?
>> He's "liking" people?
>> Why wasn't I informed? I'm supposed to be informed in any changes in
>> subject 62.
>
> This is hardly a change. I wouldn't even be here if there weren't
> people I liked. It would be absurd.
LOL Yah me too. I'm just wondering where they all went right now hehehe.
Rich G.
Agelmar sneezed and it sounded like:
I'm picturing you now with an aerosol can and a couple lasers watching air-flow
in the dark and rubbing your chin while nodding knowingly and saying
"Excellent!" like Mr. Burns in The Simpsons.
Rich G.
Dalai Lama sneezed and it sounded like:
I can hook ya up. You want the power coming from the AGP slot (not good for the
deep strong vibration but ok for the rapid bzzzzzzzzzzz kind of vibration) or
from a dedicated power cord like your HD uses? (more power, deeper, and more
variable pitch to the vibration with this option) Also you can have hardware or
software control of speed and intensity, but not both for some reason.
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>I'm picturing you now with an aerosol can and a couple lasers watching air-flow
>in the dark and rubbing your chin while nodding knowingly and saying
>"Excellent!" like Mr. Burns in The Simpsons.
LOL! If they had store demonstrations like this, they'd probably sell
more of the fancy cases.
Hmm- maybe they should simplify overclocking- even build it in, and
have a 13/16" spark plug type adjustment, and a case that opens with a
tricky release mechanism. That way when someone wants to crank up
their CPU power, they just pop the hood, insert Mr socket wrench and
torque down on the CPU control. The RAM would become the data
carburetors, and they could start putting differentials on hard drives
so the user can shift gears and have 30,000 RPM's if they needed it
(and the HD's redline allowed it).
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>I can hook ya up. You want the power coming from the AGP slot (not good for the
>deep strong vibration but ok for the rapid bzzzzzzzzzzz kind of vibration) or
>from a dedicated power cord like your HD uses? (more power, deeper, and more
>variable pitch to the vibration with this option) Also you can have hardware or
>software control of speed and intensity, but not both for some reason.
Nah, now if you had a nice silicon touch pad/pod (3d mousing surface
designed for the hands) with the exact shape and feel of certain
debutantes I'd be getting shipping prices :-)
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>with luck the rumbling sound isn't indicative of a mexican lunch and it's just a
>stihl
Ack! Now with that visualization, I'll have to go through memory
deprogramming.
Rich G.
Dalai Lama sneezed and it sounded like:
hehehe it'd have to come with clamps to hold it to the table or the oscillations
might make it shimmy right into a person's lap.
Rich G.
Dalai Lama sneezed and it sounded like:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:06:29 -0600, "Rich G." <simpl...@nsm.com>
Funny you should mention that. The SE4280-01BX is just what you're looking for
made with Virtua-touch material and an infra-red light that keeps it at a set
temperature you determine with a rheostat (safely waterproofed for more 'active'
users) I'll be sending you details on ground, overnight, and drop ship prices.
Purple
audacity to state the following:
> details on ground, overnight, and drop ship prices.
Whenever I imagine 'drop ship' in regards to packages, I imagine an
airplane flying over your house and a few seconds later, the package
hitting your roof.
--
Purple
"Every normal man must be forced at times to spit on his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
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Nicholas Knight
> On Wed 20 Nov 2002 09:27:17p, "Rich G." <simpl...@nsm.com> had the
> audacity to state the following:
>> I'll be sending you
>> details on ground, overnight, and drop ship prices.
>
> Whenever I imagine 'drop ship' in regards to packages, I imagine an
> airplane flying over your house and a few seconds later, the package
> hitting your roof.
Nonono... It involves dropships full of marines and ghosts to ensure your
package gets to you safely. Of course, it doesn't work well when one of
the ghost's other ghost friends sneaks aboard with beer while cloaked.
That's how packages get lost.
Agelmar
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:11 +1100, "Craig"
> <Craigu...@SPAMFREE.optushomeDOTnetDOTau> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Fascinating. Even the people I like are losing that distinction.
>>>
>> Whats this?
>> He's "liking" people?
>> Why wasn't I informed? I'm supposed to be informed in any changes in
>> subject 62.
>> Next thing you'll be telling me that the Agelmar project is developing a
>> sense of humour
>
> Subject 62 tried to assert that on line 50
Wait... assert? Damn...
#define NDEBUG
That's better ^-^
Craig
> >I'm picturing you now with an aerosol can and a couple lasers watching
air-flow
> >in the dark and rubbing your chin while nodding knowingly and saying
> >"Excellent!" like Mr. Burns in The Simpsons.
>
> LOL! If they had store demonstrations like this, they'd probably sell
> more of the fancy cases.
>
> Hmm- maybe they should simplify overclocking- even build it in, and
> have a 13/16" spark plug type adjustment, and a case that opens with a
> tricky release mechanism. That way when someone wants to crank up
> their CPU power, they just pop the hood, insert Mr socket wrench and
> torque down on the CPU control. The RAM would become the data
> carburetors, and they could start putting differentials on hard drives
> so the user can shift gears and have 30,000 RPM's if they needed it
> (and the HD's redline allowed it).
>
most people turn green with envy ;)
Anyone want a 386/40 that crunches a SETI unit in about 9 minutes flat?
Downside? you'll have to rebuild it every 24 hours.
CRaig
Dalai Lama
wrote:
>> Hmm- maybe they should simplify overclocking- even build it in, and
>> have a 13/16" spark plug type adjustment, and a case that opens with a
>> tricky release mechanism. That way when someone wants to crank up
>> their CPU power, they just pop the hood, insert Mr socket wrench and
>> torque down on the CPU control. The RAM would become the data
>> carburetors, and they could start putting differentials on hard drives
>> so the user can shift gears and have 30,000 RPM's if they needed it
>> (and the HD's redline allowed it).
>hehehe it'd have to come with clamps to hold it to the table or the oscillations
>might make it shimmy right into a person's lap.
As long as it was truly user friendly why shouldn't it shimmy into a
person's lap? Hmm- have to find an unique oscillitory pattern with
the same effect as Harley's and trademark it. Maybe some sort of
infrasonic speaker on the bottom?
--
Mike
<causeandef...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Wed 20 Nov 2002 09:27:17p, "Rich G." <simpl...@nsm.com> had the
>audacity to state the following:
>> I'll be sending you
>> details on ground, overnight, and drop ship prices.
>
>Whenever I imagine 'drop ship' in regards to packages, I imagine an
>airplane flying over your house and a few seconds later, the package
>hitting your roof.
Bah that'd be a puny dropship, I think of either Union or Overlord
classs one when I hear the term :^)
Mike aka MM
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Rich G.
Dalai Lama sneezed and it sounded like:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:25:37 -0600, "Rich G." <simpl...@nsm.com>
oh great... now I"m gettin' all sweaty. Gotta go take a cold shower... or maybe
just stand in Agelmar's case and let the airflow massage my cares away.