That Quality
cora
aura that Michael has, that *something that drew me to him from the beginning,
and has so overwhelmed my life.
And yesterday that word came to me.
We spent the day lolling about, chatting, reading the paper. We exchanged foot
massages. I never get tired of him and he doesn't ever seem to get tired of
being with me. We plan, hatch our schemes.
And we watched a football game on tv, which gives him a chance to explain a
game that I hardly understand at all. It was cold and rainy outside so we
huddled up in a big blanket and sat on our new sheepskin rug, which I placed on
the couch. After awhile I got dozzy and put my head down on his lap and
snoozed. I awoke when he turned off the tv and lay down beside me, covering us
both with the blanket. When I opened my eyes he was just looking at me,
stroking my face softly. When our eyes met I saw it clearly:
innocence.
Michael is an innocent man. Not naive. Not weak or childish in any way.
Just innocent. Like a new soul. He is not cynical, not mean, not hateful, not
bitter. He doesn't connive. He doesn't harbor any deep resentments about the
world or people. Nor is he perverted in any way. (And he could be with me. I
love him so much I would go almost anywhere he wanted to go. In that regard, I
am not judgmental.)
I think I must be an old soul. I am slow to trust. Skeptical, even of myself.
But not with him. I trusted him from the beginning. And I cannot resist him.
It goes beyond charm.
And he trusts *me!
Me!
But how could this be? Knowing what he knows. (There is only one thing I have
not told him. That I will never tell anyone.) And what he wants from me in
return is so.....normal and healthy....simple really.
I am amazed.
Innocence.
Cora
HC
>And we watched a football game on tv, which gives him a chance to explain a
>game that I hardly understand at all.
Too bad Ray Gordon, LYING tout FRAUD, wasn't there with you two. Michael could
have explained football to Ray. He also hardly understands the game at all.
Gee Cora, I bet you never knew you and Ray Ray had this in common!
==
"I get an erection by watching old newsreels of emaciated holocaust victims
being marched into the ovens. But H Capper doesn't share my sense of humor,
thus he flames me." - Gamble...@aol.com/Haske...@aol.com
tango7
>
I know what you mean Cora, I've the same experience with my S.O.:-)
Tango
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
that.
Also, there are men who are very good at acting "innocent" and who are quite
cynical about the world, but just don't rock the boat because of the
"predictably positive female reaction" that such an attitude causes.
If it is "innocence" it's based on ignorance.
"cora" <cora_su...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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rifter
Sharon Roeben
such beautiful renderings of heart and soul? Cora presents us with real
romance and for that I adore her. You on the other hand, present your own
views and logic, devoid of feelings, but full of angry emotions. Romance is
not a sterile logic. Romance is feeling, intense and passionate. Romance
is soft and warm, bright with the glow of hope and honesty. Where is your
heart? Can it be unburied? I hope some day somebody will help you dig it
out and dust it off. ;)
"Ray Gordon, GENIUS" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> such beautiful renderings of heart and soul?
The basis for the "love" is very very superficial.
Also, I know men who are like Michael. His smooth approach of a hottie
doesn't indicate any "innocence" at all.
I don't doubt that they make a pretty picture. I doubt any spiritual
connection. What Michael is is a man who understands "The Microscope" I
write about and how to talk to women through his behavior.
>Cora presents us with real
> romance and for that I adore her.
It's lust-based though.
>You on the other hand, present your own
> views and logic, devoid of feelings, but full of angry emotions.
I see a side of women men like to deny exists. Through their behavior in
the working world, women prove themselves to be devoid of ethics and
compassion, two qualities every wife should have.
Michael judges Chora on her body; I judge her on her mind. Is that not what
women want? Chora rather seriously defamed a national restaurant chain, and
I found that to be terribly lacking in class. She called it a "mad-cow
palace."
>Romance is
> not a sterile logic. Romance is feeling, intense and passionate.
Yet when women BREAK UP with men, they try to analyze it logically. Logic
is the HEART and SOUL of the decent man. To ignore it is to say a man might
as well not bother being decent.
Women also use "chick logic" a great deal to find reasons to fuck or not
fuck a guy.
>Romance
> is soft and warm, bright with the glow of hope and honesty.
Romance is the antipathy of honesty.
>Where is your
> heart? Can it be unburied? I hope some day somebody will help you dig it
> out and dust it off. ;)
My heart has never gone anywhere. I just don't respect sluts, cunts, or
whores.
Tirzah
Are you currently undergoing treatment?
Tiz
Realpch
<snip>
>Chora rather seriously defamed a national restaurant chain, and
>I found that to be terribly lacking in class. She called it a "mad-cow
>palace."
Ah! Now it all makes sense. And here I was thinking that your views were
irrational and based solely on emotions.
Peach
cora
It was at that point, after he started threatening me over a trivial joke, that
I realized that it was totally pointless to try to communicate with him. It
wasn't the restaurant I made fun of, it was him. But he has to have something
to cling to. Some lame excuse. God he's creapy!
(Shudder)
:\
Cora
Realpch
<snip>
>It was at that point, after he started threatening me over a trivial joke,
>that
>I realized that it was totally pointless to try to communicate with him. It
>wasn't the restaurant I made fun of, it was him. But he has to have something
>
>to cling to. Some lame excuse. God he's creapy!
>(Shudder)
>:\
>Cora
You know for some odd reason I am remembering a young chap who tormented me
regularly on the playground from 4th to 8th grade. I am a literal minded soul,
and I assumed that this person hated me.
So I run into him some 16 years later, whereupon he makes a startling
declaration. Now what do you suppose that might have been?
: )
Peach
Shawn Pickrell
> It was at that point, after he started threatening me over a
> trivial joke, that I realized that it was totally pointless to
be careful. what is trivial to you or more is important to others.
offhand comments by president bush become front-page headlines
around the world.
> try to communicate with him. It wasn't the restaurant I made fun
> of, it was him. But he has to have something to cling to. Some
> lame excuse. God he's creapy!
on that there is agreement.
shawn
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> > trivial joke, that I realized that it was totally pointless to
>
> be careful. what is trivial to you or more is important to others.
I didn't threaten her. I was offended by something she said.
> offhand comments by president bush become front-page headlines
> around the world.
>
> > try to communicate with him. It wasn't the restaurant I made fun
> > of, it was him. But he has to have something to cling to. Some
> > lame excuse. God he's creapy!
>
> on that there is agreement.
That's pathetic.
Pete Turk
Ah yes ... "class" ... We've made a system of it ...
That's where a rich prude can take one glance at you,
then brand you for life with his assessment. Subsequently,
it becomes your national duty to acquire the clothes, the
manners and the accent of that class -- for -- heavens above! --
we must all _know our place_! (in England that is).
Having got that off my chest, I think it would be terribly
lacking in 'class' NOT to defame certain restaurant chains ...
"Beulah, peel me a grape"
-- Mae West
<watch this space, folks, for yet more irrational views based
solely on emotions!>
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>Chora rather seriously defamed a national restaurant chain, and
> >>I found that to be terribly lacking in class. She called it a "mad-cow
> >>palace."
> >
> >Ah! Now it all makes sense. And here I was thinking that your views were
> >irrational and based solely on emotions.
>
that
> I realized that it was totally pointless to try to communicate with him.
I didn't threaten you, and I think it's up to the restaurant in question to
determine if a "joke" like that is appropriate.
You were putting down a very decent place to eat which had done nothing.
*I* personally do not care, except to the extent that THEY have a right to
know about it.
Also, the context in which you put it down was one that said you like fine
dining, which is the biggest waste of money in the civilized world (hint:
the waitstaff and servers usually spit in your food out of economic
jealousy), and of course you like men to pay for it.
>
>It
> wasn't the restaurant I made fun of, it was him.
No, it was Dr. Webb, who is NOT me. You weren't making fun of me at all.
Suppose someone told a joke about your lab that said that they endangered
the public health? Would you laugh?
>But he has to have something
> to cling to. Some lame excuse.
Oh please. I just found that your remark was typical of your lack of
character, which is expressed 100 ways out here.
>God he's creapy!
And she's an illiterate whore who can't even spell, but who didn't let that
stop her from making good money (shocking!).
She doesn't get it: men flirt with her at work and she still cries
merit.....
> (Shudder)
> :\
> Cora
>
>
>
Kerberos
--
kerbie,
"There is no problem that cannot be solved by the careful and practical
application of explosive compounds."
"Realpch" <rea...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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how long did you date? :)
kerbie
Courageous
>hint: the waitstaff and servers usually spit in your food out of economic
>jealousy
Bullshit.
C//
Joel
news:20011204094400...@mb-cv.aol.com...
*is waiting in breathless anticipation of the answer*
--Joel
Realpch
<snip>>
how long did you date? :)
>
>kerbie
Heh! We didn't! I ran for the hills. I was younger and people were more
puzzling to me then.
Peach
Realpch
<snip>
>
>*is waiting in breathless anticipation of the answer*
>
>--Joel
Well Joel, for the first and only time in my life I heard the following words:
"I love you. I've always loved you."
This was too much of a shock for me, based on how I'd always assumed that this
person viewed me. He would have done better had he approached a bit more
cautiously.
: )
Peach
Realpch
>the waitstaff and servers usually spit in your food out of economic
>jealousy),
Oh no! I worked as a waitress, and I didn't know I was entitled to spit in
people's food.
Another opportunity in life lost.
; )
Peach
cora
Peach,
Do you remember what he said about me when he found out that I had flown back
from the "East" on September 10th? And how upset I was? (I still can't fly. And
that has hurt me professionally. I've lost several important opportunities.)
What a horrible thing to say to someone.
This isn't anything like a weird school yard crush.
And why?
Uck! My head goes numb when I try to think about that.
I just won't deal with it.
He enjoys hurting people with his words. And that's really a sick way to spend
your life.
:(
(sigh)
I don't want to feel bad Peaches, esp now.
Now when I have so much to be happy about.
Cora
Realpch
<snip>
>Do you remember what he said about me when he found out that I had flown back
>
>from the "East" on September 10th? And how upset I was? (I still can't fly.
>And
>that has hurt me professionally. I've lost several important opportunities.)
>What a horrible thing to say to someone.
I think I missed that, or just overlooked it in the general stress of the
aftermath of September 11th. I don't doubt that any number of foolish things
were said around then by any number of people.
>This isn't anything like a weird school yard crush.
Oh, I dunno Cora. Love and hate seem to me to be very similar, in that they are
both charged states, indicating strong interest. The opposite of those two is
indifference.
Peach
Nunya
"Realpch" <rea...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
I know what you mean! :) There were a few customers I'd had that I think
that would've been appropriate. >:)
-Shell
>
>
cora
>
>Oh, I dunno Cora. Love and hate seem to me to be very similar, in that they
are
>both charged states, indicating strong interest. The opposite of those two is
>indifference.
>
>Peach
Indifference is the best response in this circumstance. I don't see the point
in wasting that much emotion. I just don't understand hating people who have
never done anything to you in RL.
In RL I don't think I have any enemies like that. I'm nice to people, they are
nice to me back.
I suppose he hates me because he wants this ngroup to all about his hate for
everything. The more hate he can create the happier he is.
I don't want to play with people like that. Not when there's that nice patch of
flowers over there to roll around in.
Cora
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> >jealousy
>
> Bullshit.
I roomed with a childhood friend in NYC who explained the entire thing for
me. They also pick food up if it's been dropped and just wash it off.
Go ahead, read the site: you'll never eat out again. I only "eat out" at
places like 7-11 who never mess with the food, except for the occasional Moo
Goo Gai Dog from the local chinese place, of course.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> >the waitstaff and servers usually spit in your food out of economic
> >jealousy),
>
> Oh no! I worked as a waitress, and I didn't know I was entitled to spit in
> people's food.
>
> Another opportunity in life lost.
CAREER restaurant workers are the type you have to watch out for, not those
who do it as a stopgap measure.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
in
> > people's food.
> >
> > Another opportunity in life lost.
> > ; )
> > Peach
>
> I know what you mean! :) There were a few customers I'd had that I think
> that would've been appropriate. >:)
See the problem when no one snitches?
Jesse Jackson even admitted he used to spit in white people's food.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
I don't dislike Chora as much as what she stands for or doesn't stand for.
I also think she doesn't give an accurate picture of what causes her to fuck
some men and not other men.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> >declaration. Now what do you suppose that might have been?
> >: )
> >Peach
>
> Peach,
> Do you remember what he said about me when he found out that I had flown
back
> from the "East" on September 10th? And how upset I was? (I still can't
fly. And
> that has hurt me professionally. I've lost several important
opportunities.)
Break out the fucking violins.
> What a horrible thing to say to someone.
There was a time when I was very polite to people and found it didn't matter
much.
> This isn't anything like a weird school yard crush.
> And why?
Why? I don't like women who perpetuate sexual objectification while calling
upon men not to be "sexist." I further find it disgusting that women
abdicate their moral responsibility to destroy gender bias in both
directions.
Women like you are a cancer on society, and do quite a bit of damage to it.
There's not much about you to like beyond your purported sexuality, sorry.
> Uck! My head goes numb when I try to think about that.
> I just won't deal with it.
> He enjoys hurting people with his words. And that's really a sick way to
spend
> your life.
Ever notice how people never find anger for life's true evils?
cora
God that's stupid! Should I call up Spagos and ask Wolfgang Puck if he spits in
his food? Or Alice Waters or Prudhomme? In really good restaurants, one screw
up and everything is finished! The staffs in those places are carefully
screened. Most of the staff are professional chefs trained at places like the
Culinary Institute. Four star restaurants don't hire people off the street to
work in their kitchens. How far out of it can you get? Their customers are
their lives!
Cora
Realpch
<snip>
>I don't dislike Chora as much as what she stands for or doesn't stand for.
>I also think she doesn't give an accurate picture of what causes her to fuck
Well Ray, I don't think you give people much slack. From my experience, it's
impossible to be totally consistent. There aren't any perfect people. And even
if there were, by whose standards?
I say this because I see a lot of myself in you. To illustrate: when I was
about 8 or 10 I read an article in TV Guide about commercials. An adman
explained how they shot the steaming cups of coffee that looked so appealing.
They took a cold cup of coffee and put a lit cigarette behind it on the saucer.
That was the steam! I was shocked. "You mean everything isn't real?"
Everything is real, it's just not always the way that one thinks it ought to
be. It is quite possible to sincerely like someone and not approve of all they
do. In fact, that's pretty normal.
And here's the deal, if one never gives others slack, there's a good chance of
treating oneself the same way. As I said, I speak from personal experience.
Peach
Realpch
>Indifference is the best response in this circumstance. I don't see the point
>
>in wasting that much emotion. I just don't understand hating people who have
>never done anything to you in RL.
>In RL I don't think I have any enemies like that. I'm nice to people, they
>are
>nice to me back.
>I suppose he hates me because he wants this ngroup to all about his hate for
>everything. The more hate he can create the happier he is.
>I don't want to play with people like that. Not when there's that nice patch
>of
>flowers over there to roll around in.
>Cora
From all indications, your life views and Ray's are pretty different. I think
it's great that you've found some patch of flowers to roll around in.
Occasionally these flower patches disappear, and for long periods of time, but
you know that. Enjoy them while they are there.
Peach
Realpch
<snip>
>Ever notice how people never find anger for life's true evils?
I think that each person's capacity for moral outrage is different, and even
then will vary depending on the current state of their life. It is no where
written in stone that we must be miserable or militant at all times because
there is grief and injustice in the world. In fact, though I have an abundant
supply of moral outrage myself, I am not convinced that this is necessarily a
good thing.
Peach
Courageous
>> >hint: the waitstaff and servers usually spit in your food out of economic
>> >jealousy
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
>http://www.stainedapron.com
I've been to the site. I've also worked in food service. There's
no preventing some wierdo from creating a website. Do not believe
everything you read on the internet. The claim that the service
staff at a restaurant will USUALLY spit in your food is ridiculous
hysteria. The vast majority of food service people aren't sociopaths.
While you are a sociopath and therefore predictably project your
own qualities onto others, most people simply aren't like this.
C//
Shawn Pickrell
a few comments.
1. that website has not been updated in months.
2. almost to a man, the people who had bad things happen were
arrogant and rude to the servers. i have seen this happen
(rudeness and arrogance), although of course some restaurant
workers may be arrogant little sob's.
3. much of the website were restaurant workers complaining about
managers.
shawn
Pete Turk
<cora_su...@my-deja.com> writes
>
>God that's stupid! Should I call up Spagos and ask Wolfgang Puck if he spits in
>his food? Or Alice Waters or Prudhomme? In really good restaurants, one screw
>up and everything is finished! The staffs in those places are carefully
>screened. Most of the staff are professional chefs trained at places like the
>Culinary Institute. Four star restaurants don't hire people off the street to
>work in their kitchens. How far out of it can you get? Their customers are
>their lives!
>Cora
Take no notice. It's the same old say-the-moon's-made-of
green-cheese-if-it-hurts-them mentality.
And the idea's _really_ old-hat -- lifted from 'The Colour
Purple', yet!
Pete Turk
<rea...@aol.comnospam> writes
If people _were_ 'miserable or militant at all times because
there is grief and injustice', there'd be just one beneficiary:
any surgeon who operated on ulcers!
The ideal IMO would be, not to rage, but to _do_ whatever you
can (but no more) for each day's cause of moral outrage, then
switch off till tomorrow!
Tirzah
>
>> >So I run into him some 16 years later, whereupon he makes a startling
>> >declaration. Now what do you suppose that might have been?
>> >: )
>> >Peach
>>
>> Peach,
>> Do you remember what he said about me when he found out that I had flown
>back
>> from the "East" on September 10th? And how upset I was? (I still can't
>fly. And
>> that has hurt me professionally. I've lost several important
>opportunities.)
>
>Break out the fucking violins.
>
>> What a horrible thing to say to someone.
>
>There was a time when I was very polite to people and found it didn't matter
>much.
>
>
>> This isn't anything like a weird school yard crush.
>> And why?
>
>Why? I don't like women who perpetuate sexual objectification while calling
>upon men not to be "sexist." I further find it disgusting that women
>abdicate their moral responsibility to destroy gender bias in both
>directions.
>
>Women like you are a cancer on society, and do quite a bit of damage to it.
>There's not much about you to like beyond your purported sexuality, sorry.
What shameless excess and hyperbole. And to finish it with "sorry." I have read
dozens of your posts and they all leave me with the impression that you are a
real whack-job. How do you stand yourself?
Tiz
Realpch
<snip>
> And the idea's _really_ old-hat -- lifted from 'The Colour
> Purple', yet!
Ah yes, that was a wonderful movie moment. I think that someone did it in
"Roots" too. Cycily Tyson as an old woman?
At any rate, don't try this "at home" folks.
Peach
Nutmegger
>It is no where
>written in stone that we must be miserable or militant at all times because
>there is grief and injustice in the world. In fact, though I have an abundant
>supply of moral outrage myself, I am not convinced that this is necessarily a
>good thing.
Well....
In todays world it is easy to come by.
~J~
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Realpch
>Realpch says...
>
>>Well Joel, for the first and only time in my life I heard the following
>words:
>>"I love you. I've always loved you."
>>This was too much of a shock for me, based on how I'd always assumed that
>this
>>person viewed me. He would have done better had he approached a bit more
>>cautiously.
>>: )
>
>:)
>Well, think of it this way - you had such an effect on him he just could not
>contain himself.
>
>~J~
I dunno. Maybe he was taking drugs!
; )
Peach
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
Servers fuck with food if they don't like your date too (meaning they want
her and can't have her and they have to serve you while you're with her),
while others have racial motivations, or don't like "fatties."
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
> up and everything is finished! The staffs in those places are carefully
> screened.
Actually, they have constant labor shortages in most good restaurants.
>Most of the staff are professional chefs trained at places like the
> Culinary Institute. Four star restaurants don't hire people off the street
to
> work in their kitchens.
I'm not talking about chefs, nor was I talking about any specific
restaurants.
Most of their workers are low-level blue-collar types and there is often
great class resentment.
>How far out of it can you get? Their customers are
> their lives!
The customers don't seem to think this ever happens.
Tsk.
S.T.Pickrell
> >I don't want to feel bad Peaches, esp now.
> >Now when I have so much to be happy about.
>
> Maybe you do need to take a break from this 'place.'
i do not feel so badly of human motivation now.
i will avoid soc.men. too many stories of men who got burned there.
shawn
S.T.Pickrell
>
> cora says...
>
> >Indifference is the best response in this circumstance. I don't see the
> >point in wasting that much emotion. I just don't understand hating
> >people who have never done anything to you in RL.
>
well since 'they' do all those things to him ...
shawn
cora
The 'icons' of the things he *says people have done to him. I think he's done
it all to himself.
Cora
cora
>
>Nutmegger wrote:
>
>> >I don't want to feel bad Peaches, esp now.
>> >Now when I have so much to be happy about.
>>
>> I don't blame you Cora, not a bit.
>> Maybe you do need to take a break from this 'place.'
Somedays are better than others. Today I don't give a shit about what *he says.
Yesterday all that 9-11 stuff came back to me and....
..the councelor at work said I've got to let it go.
And Michael helps alot. He doesn't want me to fly anyway. He worries.
I will be off-line in a week or so for awhile....thru Christmas. Lots of family
stuff planned. Michael's going to meet my daddy and brother. (That should be
interesting.) It will give me a chance to patch things up with him. He's very
happy that Michael wants to make "an honest woman" out of me. I'm still tight
with my brother. He's just a good cop. Still uniform. Tough as nails.
And we may be moving! Still up in the air. We're going to have dinner with the
couple that want to do a rent-share at the factory. It could be a good thing.
We'd save a ton of money. But neither of us wants to live in a party house.
Also, we'd have to do a bunch of interior work....which is cool with me....and
Michael's really good at construction type stuff and I want to learn to do fix
up remodeling too so.....
:|
Who knows?
Cora
Chocolate Peanut
>And Michael helps alot. He doesn't want me to fly anyway. He worries
If we all stop flying the airlines will go out of business! And the one's that
do survive will be so expensive we won't be able to afford to use them anyway.
I've just booked a flight for February, I've packed my water wings already...
Peanut
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cora
>
>cora says...
>
>>>> Maybe you do need to take a break from this 'place.'
>>
>>Somedays are better than others. Today I don't give a shit about what *he
says.
>>Yesterday all that 9-11 stuff came back to me and....
>>..the councelor at work said I've got to let it go.
>
The 911 thing hit close to home.
>>And Michael helps alot. He doesn't want me to fly anyway. He worries.
>>I will be off-line in a week or so for awhile....thru Christmas.
>
>Enjoy your holiday time with your family. I personally feel there isn't a
safer
>time to fly than now.
We could fly to my dad's and save time and money. Michael isn't affraid, but I
am. We would be together though. I'm not affraid with him around.
>>Lots of family
>>stuff planned. Michael's going to meet my daddy and brother. (That should be
>>interesting.) It will give me a chance to patch things up with him.
>
>Who, your dad?
My dad and I have had "differences". We spent along time not communicating very
well. My dad....oh god, where to begin. My dad's had a very rough time of it.
He's seen things, as a cop, that have hurt him deeply. Then my mother....I
can't go into that....and then me. I ran away from home at 17. But he loves me
and I love him. It's just hard.
>He's very
>>happy that Michael wants to make "an honest woman" out of me. I'm still tight
>>with my brother. He's just a good cop. Still uniform. Tough as nails.
>>And we may be moving! Still up in the air. We're going to have dinner with
the
>>couple that want to do a rent-share at the factory. It could be a good thing.
>
>It sounds like a good thing to me.
It depends on the other couple. We had dinner with them last night and they
seem ok. Naturally I would prefer to be alone with Michael. (I'm becoming a
misanthrope!) But they seem like a nice couple, married one year. They both
work, no kids yet. They seem normal, happy. DINKs, double income
(professionals), no kids.
>>We'd save a ton of money. But neither of us wants to live in a party house.
>>Also, we'd have to do a bunch of interior work....which is cool with
me....and
>>Michael's really good at construction type stuff and I want to learn to do
fix
>>up remodeling too so.....
>
>I have lots of experience with both of those. It would be cool to live in an
>old factory - like a studio. The problem you'll face is making intimate space
>out of the great wide open, but it is easier than you think. If Michael is
>handy then he can teach you stuff. It's cool, creating your own personal
space
>together.
That's what I want. To work together on something. I don't know anything about
tools and stuff, but Michael and his dad are wizards at that stuff. Michael's
dad's house is incredible! He did almost all of it, him and his girlfriend, by
hand.
The problem at the factory is heating. That place gets cold! Michael wants to
put in a woodstove. Everything will have to be cleared through the owner. The
owner says he will provide materials, but he wants and architect to look at it
too.
I don't know about construction but I do know about interior design and I have
a vision of how the whole thing could come together, keeping the integrity of
the space, but also creating privacy zones. A common kitchen and living room,
but also some small private areas. (Michael and I really need a very private
and <ggiggles> soundproof bedroom.)
>>:|
>>Who knows?
>
>Yes, I'm kinda in the same boat about some stuff.
>
>~J~
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If it all falls together it will be great. I just wish we could afford to lease
the whole space ourselves.
Cora
Kathleen L Pearson
Tell me more about your Dad. My dad and I no longer speak. Isn't that the ultimate
in rejection? He retired from DEA, so in some respects he was a cop, a cop of the
UN. He was UN Coordinator for the Drug Enforcement Agency. Oh well. I left home
when I was 16, because he said that girls don't go to college and I had to go, I
certainly don't like going there, but you know if you want things to be the best
between you and M, you need to get all of that resolved.
Kathleen
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
have
> a vision of how the whole thing could come together, keeping the integrity
of
> the space, but also creating privacy zones. A common kitchen and living
room,
> but also some small private areas. (Michael and I really need a very
private
> and <ggiggles> soundproof bedroom.)
This is the rough equivalent of a wealthy person bragging about how they
spend money or complaining about the "need" for a good tax accountant to
deal with those "horrible" IRS bills....backhanded compliment which reminds
us of Chora's true value to Michael.
Also notice when Michael wants sex it's spiritual, but when other men want
it it's perverted.
Finally notice the contrast between the "strong, independent woman" she
portrays to the world and the submissive little puppy dog she becomes to
him.
She may say men don't like her because she's "strong and independent," but
in reality, if she is behaving "strong and inddependent" to a man it is more
a sign that she doesn't like him.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
ultimate
> in rejection? He retired from DEA, so in some respects he was a cop, a cop
of the
> UN. He was UN Coordinator for the Drug Enforcement Agency. Oh well. I left
home
> when I was 16, because he said that girls don't go to college and I had to
go, I
> certainly don't like going there, but you know if you want things to be
the best
> between you and M, you need to get all of that resolved.
So? Women say men shouldn't be secretaries....no difference to me.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
but
> >in reality, if she is behaving "strong and inddependent" to a man it is
more
> >a sign that she doesn't like him.
>
> Some women just 'gush' and crumble, some don't.
The evidence says otherwise.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
"Nutmegger" <Nutm...@thejunkmail.com> wrote in message
news:_rXQ7.55673$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
> cora says...
>
> >>>Lots of family
> >>>stuff planned. Michael's going to meet my daddy and brother. (That
should be
> >>>interesting.) It will give me a chance to patch things up with him.
> >>
> >>Who, your dad?
> >
> >My dad and I have had "differences". We spent along time not
communicating very
> >well.
>
> Well, if he thinks it takes a man to make an honest woman out of you - I
can see
> why.
>
> > My dad....oh god, where to begin. My dad's had a very rough time of it.
> >He's seen things, as a cop, that have hurt him deeply.
>
> I understand that, I know some cops and seen firsthand the stress of their
jobs
> cross over into their personal life.
> Personally, I don't know how they do it sometimes.
> But what does all that have to do with you?
>
> >Then my mother....I
> >can't go into that....and then me. I ran away from home at 17. But he
loves me
> >and I love him. It's just hard.
>
> You are trying to patch things up with him, that's the first step.
> >
> >>He's very
> >>>happy that Michael wants to make "an honest woman" out of me. I'm still
tight
> >>>with my brother. He's just a good cop. Still uniform. Tough as nails.
> >>>And we may be moving! Still up in the air. We're going to have dinner
with
> >the
> >>>couple that want to do a rent-share at the factory. It could be a good
thing.
> >>
> >>It sounds like a good thing to me.
> >
> >It depends on the other couple. We had dinner with them last night and
they
> >seem ok. Naturally I would prefer to be alone with Michael. (I'm becoming
a
> >misanthrope!) But they seem like a nice couple, married one year. They
both
> >work, no kids yet. They seem normal, happy. DINKs, double income
> >(professionals), no kids.
>
> You're going to live with another couple?
> Good-luck.
>
> >> It's cool, creating your own personal
> >space
> >>together.
> >
> >That's what I want. To work together on something.
>
> You are going to have a hard time if you involve two other people besides
just
> you and him and it won't be as personal and intimate as if it were just
you two.
>
> >The problem at the factory is heating. That place gets cold! Michael
wants to
> >put in a woodstove.
>
> I use a woodstove, I like it - the dry heat.
>
>
> > Everything will have to be cleared through the owner. The
> >owner says he will provide materials, but he wants and architect to look
at it
> >too.
>
> An architect for the interior?
> I suppose he has got money to throw away, he doesn't need an architect but
a
> designer.
>
> >I don't know about construction but I do know about interior design and I
have
> >a vision of how the whole thing could come together, keeping the
integrity of
> >the space, but also creating privacy zones. A common kitchen and living
room,
> >but also some small private areas. (Michael and I really need a very
private
> >and <ggiggles> soundproof bedroom.)
>
> Some ideas to start
> Figure out what position the light comes from - lighting is key.
> If it is southern expose, use warm colors.
> Do NOT use flourscent lighting.
> Chose the lighting fixtures carefully, you are going to need lots of it in
a big
> space like that.
> Track lighting looks cheap and it is outdated.
> There is usually hard-wood in factories - leave it - no wall to wall.
> You can create intimate spaces without cutting down on light with glass
block
> and there are many different styles available.
> Do NOT try to cover up or enclose piping or vents, you may even think of
> painting them different colors.
> Oh..I could just go on and on, but that's a start anyway.
cora
>
>I understand that, I know some cops and seen firsthand the stress of their
jobs
>cross over into their personal life.
>Personally, I don't know how they do it sometimes.
>But what does all that have to do with you?
Alot. I ran away from home at 17. He didn't approve of some of the things I
did. I added to his hurt.
>You are trying to patch things up with him, that's the first step.
He doesn't hold a grudge against me. My brother, who is also a cop, has really
helped work between us. I'm proud of both of them, they're good cops. I don't
know how they do it either. I like cops, sorta have a soft spot for them. But
I'd never marry one. Michael has worked a couple of seasons as a forest fire
fighter. That kind of scares me too.
>You're going to live with another couple?
>Good-luck.
I know....it sucks. But rents here are outrageous. We could stay at my place
but it's really tiny. I like my neighborhood alot. It's close to everything,
fairly affordable, for this city, and quaint.
If we move to the factory we are stuck in a one year lease. Then, who knows?
Michael wants to move to a smaller town where he has that little house. I could
do that. My job skills transfer well.
>You are going to have a hard time if you involve two other people besides just
>you and him and it won't be as personal and intimate as if it were just you
two.
I agree.
>>The problem at the factory is heating. That place gets cold! Michael wants to
>>put in a woodstove.
>
>I use a woodstove, I like it - the dry heat.
There's on in Michael's little house. It works great! Heats up the whole place.
My grandmother only bakes in a an old wood kitchen stove (they live on a farm
in the mid-west.) She has a new stove, but says that things don't bake right
unless she uses the old "woody".
>An architect for the interior?
>I suppose he has got money to throw away, he doesn't need an architect but a
>designer.
I think the structural stuff has to be cleared and they need an ok before the
designer comes in.
>Some ideas to start
>Figure out what position the light comes from - lighting is key.
It has big windows on two sides. Lots of light.
>If it is southern expose, use warm colors.
I'll check that.
>Do NOT use flourscent lighting.
Check....I'm taking notes.
>Chose the lighting fixtures carefully, you are going to need lots of it in a
big
>space like that.
I think something "industrial" to maintain the integrity, but not too much so.
>Track lighting looks cheap and it is outdated.
There is some funky old track lights that I don't like and would pull out.
>There is usually hard-wood in factories - leave it - no wall to wall.
Yes! Wood floors. They need refinishing. I agree 100% on the W to W. Uck! Rugs,
definately!
>You can create intimate spaces without cutting down on light with glass block
>and there are many different styles available.
Yes! I like glass block.
>Do NOT try to cover up or enclose piping or vents, you may even think of
>painting them different colors.
I really like that idea! Different pipes in different colors. Greens, yellows,
reds, but softer tones.
>Oh..I could just go on and on, but that's a start anyway.
>
>~J~
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I wish there was a way that we could just lease the place without the other
couple. Michael is looking into that. It would be such a fun project.
:)
Cora