Romantic Prospects.
Tirzah
instead of the usual two tons. And it's raining cats and dogs. Thus I have time
to reflect upon my miserable prospects for romantic involvement.
First of all; I am not a bad looking girl. I don't have bad teeth or a huge
nose. I don't smell funny. No halitosis. No itchy and unsightly skin diseases. I
am fashionably thin. So what is the matter? I suspect it's my personality and a
tendency toward morosity. (I wear black.)
My most likely prospects don't give me much cause for optimism.
David turns up at awkward moments and is a classic goober nerd. Naturally he is
a computer engineering major. He has read all the Harry Potter books and loves
them. He looks like that nerd guy with blond hair and glasses in X-Files. He's
never had a girlfriend. But he is a nice guy and very smart, though annoying.
Ron is a black guy I met through tutorial. He is on an athletic scholarship and
needed a lot of help with writing and reading comprehension. He's a very sweet
guy, and surprisingly shy. He's also six foot four and weighs something like 255
lbs with giant muscles bulging out all over the place. Ron is not dumb. Much to
his credit he doesn't act like a gangster or talk like a rap fool. He always
walks me out to my car to make sure I am safe. But he has never suggested that
we go out or acted like he was romantically interested in me at all. I think he
just thinks of me as a good friend. (Oh well, there goes my Mandingo fantasy.)
Derek is such a jerk! He's cocky and verbose and acts like having sex with him
would cure me of a terrible disease. He flirts with everything female including
department store mannequins. His only good points are his sense of humor and his
looks. He sells term papers to desperate undergrads. He's a rogue. He pesters me
about going out on a date as a prelude to "hot sex."
Will is an assistant professor of English and Rhetoric and is 32 years old. He
is divorcing after five years of marriage. He's handsome, suave, and
intelligent. He also leers at me like I am his next meal. When we were first
introduced he took my hand with exaggerated flair and said call me "Will." He
also accentuates my name "Tirzzzzzahh." He arches his eyebrow when he looks at
me like a cartoon character. All he needs is one of those skinny waxed
mustachios and slicked back hair to complete the image. Poetry drips from his
tongue. He always mentions the "moonlight over the Sahara" and "sunsets in
Fiji." I suspect what he's really suggesting is a romp in a sleazy motel.
It looks pretty hopeless.
Tiz
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
do,
> instead of the usual two tons. And it's raining cats and dogs. Thus I have
time
> to reflect upon my miserable prospects for romantic involvement.
>
> First of all; I am not a bad looking girl. I don't have bad teeth or a
huge
> nose. I don't smell funny. No halitosis. No itchy and unsightly skin
diseases. I
> am fashionably thin. So what is the matter? I suspect it's my personality
and a
> tendency toward morosity. (I wear black.)
No, it's your tendency to think YOU get to decide if you are sexy or not.
> My most likely prospects don't give me much cause for optimism.
>
> David turns up at awkward moments and is a classic goober nerd. Naturally
he is
> a computer engineering major. He has read all the Harry Potter books and
loves
> them. He looks like that nerd guy with blond hair and glasses in X-Files.
He's
> never had a girlfriend. But he is a nice guy and very smart, though
annoying.
I guess that makes him a loser.
> Ron is a black guy I met through tutorial. He is on an athletic
scholarship and
> needed a lot of help with writing and reading comprehension.
Isn't that a conflict of interest?
>He's a very sweet
> guy, and surprisingly shy. He's also six foot four and weighs something
like 255
> lbs with giant muscles bulging out all over the place. Ron is not dumb.
Much to
> his credit he doesn't act like a gangster or talk like a rap fool. He
always
> walks me out to my car to make sure I am safe.
Typical chump.
>But he has never suggested that
> we go out or acted like he was romantically interested in me at all. I
think he
> just thinks of me as a good friend. (Oh well, there goes my Mandingo
fantasy.)
Foxhunters are told to behave as he does, except most won't walk you to your
car, or if they do, it's only to impress you long enough to miss it when
they stop doing it, or to win favor with your friends.
> Derek is such a jerk! He's cocky and verbose and acts like having sex with
him
> would cure me of a terrible disease. He flirts with everything female
including
> department store mannequins. His only good points are his sense of humor
and his
> looks. He sells term papers to desperate undergrads. He's a rogue. He
pesters me
> about going out on a date as a prelude to "hot sex."
So he's HONEST, but he's also playing a numbers game.
To reward his behavior is to encourage men to imitate it.
> Will is an assistant professor of English and Rhetoric and is 32 years
old. He
> is divorcing after five years of marriage. He's handsome, suave, and
> intelligent. He also leers at me like I am his next meal.
See the dopamine response study.
>When we were first
> introduced he took my hand with exaggerated flair and said call me "Will."
They call that "instant kino" on ASF.
Why not let EVERY man you deal with TOUCH you? In fact, any man you don't
let do the same thing should stop talking to you.
>He
> also accentuates my name "Tirzzzzzahh." He arches his eyebrow when he
looks at
> me like a cartoon character. All he needs is one of those skinny waxed
> mustachios and slicked back hair to complete the image. Poetry drips from
his
> tongue. He always mentions the "moonlight over the Sahara" and "sunsets in
> Fiji." I suspect what he's really suggesting is a romp in a sleazy motel.
See the Speed Seduction threads.
> It looks pretty hopeless.
It is if you aren't sexy enough to get what you want....
Joel
scholarship and
> needed a lot of help with writing and reading comprehension. He's a very
sweet
> guy, and surprisingly shy. He's also six foot four and weighs something
like 255
> lbs with giant muscles bulging out all over the place. Ron is not dumb.
Much to
> his credit he doesn't act like a gangster or talk like a rap fool. He
always
> walks me out to my car to make sure I am safe. But he has never suggested
that
> we go out or acted like he was romantically interested in me at all. I
think he
> just thinks of me as a good friend. (Oh well, there goes my Mandingo
fantasy.)
Not that my opinion matters, but I'd go for this guy. He sounds like he's
as shy as me, but totally different than me otherwise (I'm skinny, great
with books, and pale as moonlight). ('course, I do feel bad/empathy for the
x-files reject)
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
Some day soon one will come along where you'll know the difference and won't
need to wonder.
We all meet a few of these in our lives, but only a few. Why bother with the
rest? (A general question for the group)
Best
Roland THTG
Chocolate Peanut
>Tiz, why waste your time on semijerks, or temporarily good enough guys.
>
>Some day soon one will come along where you'll know the difference and won't
>need to wonder.
Yep...
Peanut
maddman
Personally Tiz, it doesn't sound like you are too interested in any of
these guys as a long term prospect. If that's the case, go for Derek.
Might as well have some fun while you wait to find the one you want
to keep.
Tirzah
Thompson Gunner says...
Ron isn't a jerk or even a semi-jerk. He's really sweet. But I don't get the
impression that he's interested. Maybe he only likes black girls. Maybe he's
just shy. I certainly understand that, being shy myself. Or maybe he just
doesn't want to ruin our friendship. Maybe I should make the first move. But,
needless to say, I fear rejection.
My _point_ was that, at the moment, my prospects don't look very good.
Tiz
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
>Ron isn't a jerk or even a semi-jerk. He's really sweet. But I don't get the
>impression that he's interested. Maybe he only likes black girls. Maybe he's
>just shy. I certainly understand that, being shy myself.
All possibilities.
>Or maybe he just doesn't want to ruin our friendship.
That's a real risk.
>Maybe I should make the first move. But, needless to say, I fear rejection.
We all do. If you really are friends, it might be so expected it weirds him
out, whether he wants you or not!
>My _point_ was that, at the moment, my prospects don't look very good.
You're young yet.
Best,
Roland THTG
Tirzah
Thompson Gunner says...
>
I have fantasies about Ron. But then, I have a lot of fantasies, even about
complete strangers. I wonder if he has fantasies about me? This is what happens
when I have time to think. I wonder, if he does fantasize about me, what does
he fantasize?
I definately need a lobotomy.
Tiz
Joel
> I have fantasies about Ron. But then, I have a lot of fantasies, even
about
> complete strangers. I wonder if he has fantasies about me? This is what
happens
> when I have time to think. I wonder, if he does fantasize about me, what
does
> he fantasize?
>
> I definately need a lobotomy.
>
> Tiz
Like I -said- Tiz, go for him!
--Joel
Tirzah
>
>Like I -said- Tiz, go for him!
>
>--Joel
Ron represents certain problems. First, he is intellectually challenged, not
because of any innate stupidity, but rather, his background of engendered
cultural deprivation. And I need intellectual stimulation.
Secondly he is black and I am a Jew. There is an enormous cultural gap between
us.
Thirdly, he is a huge man, and I am 5-7 and of slender build. He might
accidently crush me. Maybe it's just the fantasy aspect that entertains my
perverse imagination.
And finally, I am not going to risk rejection.
Tirzah
Joel
not
> because of any innate stupidity, but rather, his background of engendered
> cultural deprivation. And I need intellectual stimulation.
Hmm.. yeah, that would be a problem. *shrug* A couple of months around you
and he should pick up a few things.
> Secondly he is black and I am a Jew. There is an enormous cultural gap
between
> us.
Bah. And again I say Bah! Thricely I do say it, for emphasis! BAH!
Cultural gaps haven't stopped some couples before!
> Thirdly, he is a huge man, and I am 5-7 and of slender build. He might
> accidently crush me. Maybe it's just the fantasy aspect that entertains my
> perverse imagination.
*chuckles* Yeah, I know whatcha mean. :)
> And finally, I am not going to risk rejection.
*sigh* Doesn't the possiblity of rejection suck? Maybe you should just drop
a hint or twenty? See if he runs with it? (Yeah, he's shy... 's why I said
twenty. :P)
--Joel
Jason5545
Kindof makes me wonder why you suggested him in the first place. I would say
forget it for ron's sake. If this guy is really shy and sensitive then he
deserves someone (regardless of color) who does not want to be with him just for
the fantasy aspect of it because once he learns this it will only hurt him.
Why do people make such a big deal of this color thing. I happen to be black and
have dated women of all races and ethnicity (including jewish). No problem just
people. Some of my white friends have dated black women, no problem just people.
In fact my former roommate who was hispanic had a black girlfriend. It's not as
big of a deal as people try to make these things out to be.
Jason5545
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
>And I need intellectual stimulation.
A good reason why even the sex is unlikely to work out with him.
>Thirdly, he is a huge man, and I am 5-7 and of slender build. He might
>accidently crush me.
You sound physically incompatible! You need some room to move! Big guys can't
give you that.
>Maybe it's just the fantasy aspect that entertains my perverse imagination.
Don't mistake true fantasy for something possible in real life.
>And finally, I am not going to risk rejection.
Unlikely, in my opinion, but the others are good enough reasons not to.
Best,
Roland THTG
Tirzah
Thompson Gunner says...
>
>Don't mistake true fantasy for something possible in real life.
>
>Roland THTG
>
Unlikely. I think attempting to manifest a fantasy in real life could end up
tragic instead.
Tiz
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
>Unlikely. I think attempting to manifest a fantasy in real life could end up tragic instead.
Maybe not in an established relationship with a successful continuing sexlife.
Fantasising about someone where it's never happened is quite different to the
reality and is likely to be disappointing, or even tragic.
Roland THTG
Ishambat
>Ron isn't a jerk or even a semi-jerk. He's really sweet. But I don't get the
>impression that he's interested. Maybe he only likes black girls. Maybe he's
>just shy. I certainly understand that, being shy myself. Or maybe he just
>doesn't want to ruin our friendship. Maybe I should make the first move.
Do it. I get the impression from you that you are holed up in your books and
not getting any love. A sweet and shy guy is going to be loyal and kind in a
relationship. Maybe he hasn't made the move because he fears rejection.
>But, needless to say, I fear rejection.
I guess there's only one way to face this fear. Check it against reality.
>My _point_ was that, at the moment, my prospects don't look very good.
Sure they do. You've got four people interested in you. That's more than most
ever get.
Ishambat
>Ron represents certain problems. First, he is intellectually challenged, not
>because of any innate stupidity, but rather, his background of engendered
>cultural deprivation. And I need intellectual stimulation.
So you will train him to develop his intellectual capacities. You'll be a hero
in his life. Aren't academics supposed to enjoy the task of influencing
people's minds? Here you will take someone with potential but no training and
teach him what you know so that he can develop into your equal. A close bond
will form just from that.
>Secondly he is black and I am a Jew. There is an enormous cultural gap
>between us.
Also lots of cultural similarities. Both blacks and Jews have been slaves, and
both are viewed by the mainstream as second-class citizens. I dated a black
girl and loved it. Love doesn't recognize demographics and cultures but only
the striving of the soul.
>Thirdly, he is a huge man, and I am 5-7 and of slender build. He might
>accidently crush me. Maybe it's just the fantasy aspect that entertains my
>perverse imagination.
More like, he will see you as a beautiful little thing that needs to be treated
gently. Go ahead, test your fantasies against praxis. It's the only way to find
out if they are right.
Joel
and
> not getting any love. A sweet and shy guy is going to be loyal and kind in
a
> relationship. Maybe he hasn't made the move because he fears rejection.
Don't knock books. :)
--Joel
Tirzah
>
>Tirzah wrote:
>>Ron isn't a jerk or even a semi-jerk. He's really sweet. But I don't get the
>>impression that he's interested. Maybe he only likes black girls. Maybe he's
>>just shy. I certainly understand that, being shy myself. Or maybe he just
>>doesn't want to ruin our friendship. Maybe I should make the first move.
>
>Do it. I get the impression from you that you are holed up in your books and
>not getting any love. A sweet and shy guy is going to be loyal and kind in a
>relationship. Maybe he hasn't made the move because he fears rejection.
Yes, books, books, books. I see turning pages in my sleep. I've been in school
my whole life. Books are good hiding places. I know more about 17th century
French court life than I do about what's going on around me.
I tudor Ron Wednesday evenings. So I'll see him tomorrow. I wonder if he'll
notice that I look different.
>>But, needless to say, I fear rejection.
>
>I guess there's only one way to face this fear. Check it against reality.
>
>>My _point_ was that, at the moment, my prospects don't look very good.
>
>Sure they do. You've got four people interested in you. That's more than most
>ever get.
Maybe. Ron is friendly, but hasn't really acted interested. But maybe he has
and I haven't noticed. We shall see I quess.
Tiz
isha...@aol.com
>I tudor Ron Wednesday evenings. So I'll see him tomorrow. I wonder if he'll
>notice that I look different.
What did you do?
>Maybe. Ron is friendly, but hasn't really acted interested. But maybe he has
>and I haven't noticed. We shall see I quess.
Good luck.
Tirzah
>
>In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
>>I tudor Ron Wednesday evenings. So I'll see him tomorrow. I wonder if he'll
>>notice that I look different.
>
>What did you do?
I went home for the Thanksgiving Holiday, eyeball deep in crazy family
togetherness. My cousin, who is as close to me as a sister, decided that I
needed a make-over. I feared a Frankenstein-like catastrophe, but never the
less I was forcedly plucked, curled, filed and painted by my cousin and her JAP
(Jewish American Princess) friends. They squeezed me into a dress, if you can
call a tiny tube-thing a "dress" and dragged off clubbing with them. I was even
given hair tossing lessons in the car. They actually took my glasses away so I
was as blind as a mole.
They kept telling me that I was "gorgeous." I couldn't see well enough to tell
if they were playing a cruel joke on me or if, by a direct intervention of the
divine, I had emerged from my 24 year dormancy of plainess like a rare flower.
At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
complete stranger!
I can't believe the difference little smudges of paint make to male perception.
(What are we, baboons?) The next morning I found a fist full of phone numbers,
some scribbled inarticulately on napkins, stuffed into my handbag. I vaguely
remember using the pseudonym "Monique."
My cousin was very pleased. She gave me her very own curling iron and a gift
package of cosmetics. So, I started actually taking her advice and "making up"
in the morning.
Now men at school have noticed the change. It's rather unnerving. This morning
at 8:00 AM I went to give a lecture to undergrads on "The First Crusade and the
Antecedents to East-West Geopolitics" and when I walked into the lecture hall a
bunch of guys started clapping and hooping like cranes.
I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher
treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
Maybe I really should get breast enhancement surgery!
No, a lobotomy! Definately a lobotomy.
Tiz
isha...@aol.com
Ah yes. The hidden flower comes out and blossoms. I find that when a person gets
a new look the personality change follows to accommodate that look. Keep looking
good and you will get a new self-image.
>I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher
>treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
Seems like you found the guidance you needed.
>Maybe I really should get breast enhancement surgery!
Probably superfluous.
>No, a lobotomy! Definately a lobotomy.
Too smart for that.
http://www.geocities.com/drr0cket
cora
you is a phoney. The intellectual is the *real you and so is the the beautiful
butterfly just out of her caccoon. Fly carefully sweety.
Cora
In article <Kj1N7.40499$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
>
Joel
Sounds like shes going for it! Wooo! *roots for Tiz*
--Joel
Neil
> In article <3M%M7.40452$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, isha...@aol.com says...
> >
> >In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
(snip)
>They squeezed me into a dress, if you can
> call a tiny tube-thing a "dress" and dragged off clubbing with them. I was even
> given hair tossing lessons in the car. They actually took my glasses away so I
> was as blind as a mole.
>
> They kept telling me that I was "gorgeous."
Speaking as a glasses-wearer myself, you might try contact lenses,
assuming you're enjoying your new glamorous self. You can actually see
better with contacts--that's my experience.
Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--it's not a
turnoff for me. Glasses can look really cool! I found people prefer me
with glasses--glasses look good on me, apparently, so I stopped
wearing contacts, even though they worked better.
Anyway, sounds like you're having a lot of fun! Trying on a new look
can be fun.
(snip)
Jessica A.
> turnoff for me. Glasses can look really cool! I found people prefer me
> with glasses--glasses look good on me, apparently, so I stopped
> wearing contacts, even though they worked better.
Glad to know some men don't mind glasses. Not like I even have a choice
about it. I absolutely can't wear contacts anymore.
Joel
Hoots and scratches his armpits like a monkey. OoOoOoooOOo!
> My cousin was very pleased. She gave me her very own curling iron and a
gift
> package of cosmetics. So, I started actually taking her advice and "making
up"
> in the morning.
>
> Now men at school have noticed the change. It's rather unnerving. This
morning
> at 8:00 AM I went to give a lecture to undergrads on "The First Crusade
and the
> Antecedents to East-West Geopolitics" and when I walked into the lecture
hall a
> bunch of guys started clapping and hooping like cranes.
>
> I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher
> treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
>
> Maybe I really should get breast enhancement surgery!
>
> No, a lobotomy! Definately a lobotomy.
>
> Tiz
>
Honestly, I still think that the Lisa Loeb look is nice, though it sounds
like you look even better now. *sigh*
--Joel
Tirzah
>
>Hi Neil,
>
>Neil says...
>
>>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
>
>I've never heard that one before.
><I'll probably need them soon>
>
>~J~
>Remove "Junk" to reply
I've thought about getting contacts, but I've been wearing glasses since the
6th grade and I'd probably feel naked without them. I've always heard "men
don't make passes at girls who wear glasses", which might be one of those silly
folk sayings that embeds a fragment of truth. I have seven pairs of glasses and
some of them are very cool (I think.) As to what others think, who can tell?
Maybe I'm a nerd, but men who wear glasses look okay to me.
Tiz: girl egghead
jimmyblue
>
>>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
>
>You do?
>I've never heard that one before.
><I'll probably need them soon>
Guys who dig nerd girls do.
I don't know about "lotsa", or whether I'd go so far as to say
that glasses increase "cuteness". But I frequently see women who
have glasses which are well integrated with their "look" and it
comes off well.
I remember this one strip club I was in, in Reno. This buddy of
mine wasn't digging it too much. Not properly into the wallowing
state of mind on account of he was busy being a PhD, looking down
on the girls.
But I saw this one at the end of the bar and she had on these
librarian glasses. So I had this idea, and I went over and
unbeknownst to our protagonist, asked her to give him the
treatment - and keep the glasses on. She got my point, and
she was very strict with him.
Let us say, she corrected his poor attitude. ;)
You can do kind of a peek-a-boo with glasses, if you have a nice
face and hair. The glasses are like the ribbon on a present.
They're not the point of the thing, but they are an interesting
touch. And, like the ribbon, they can imply something. The
ribbon implies that you give a shit about presentation. The
glasses imply a lack of vanity, practicality (especially the
$700 fashion rims ;) , and that you might be trying (or trying
to look like you're not trying too hard) to look like a brainy
chick.
So now we have to look at you a little longer, and figure out
the probabilities. Like unwrapping the present.
Of course, a ribbon on a secondhand cardboard box hasn't quite
the same intrigue. So string might just as well do.
Tirzah
>
>Honestly, I still think that the Lisa Loeb look is nice, though it sounds
>like you look even better now. *sigh*
>
>--Joel
I'm having a bit of an identity crisis. Before, guys didn't notice me much. Now
they notice me a lot and it's kind of surreal.
(Actually, I looked like Lisa Loeb _before_ the make-up artists got to her.)
Ron noticed. We had our first non-educational verbal interchange. Never
voluble, Ron looked at me and said "you look different." I asked if it was a
bit much, and he said "no, you look good." That, from Ron, is the equivalent of
effusive praise. But Derek noticed too. So did a lot of other guys I interact
with every day.
But the depressing part is that I find myself, bleary-eyed, in front of the
mirror in the morning, a half hour earlier than usual, putting on make-up.
Some one shoot me! (I didn't mean that literally.)
Tiz: painted
Joel
news:daa8d05c.01112...@posting.google.com...
*grins* Hiya! I too have a slight glasses fetish.
Take a set of twins.
Put glasses on one.
I'd prefer the one with glasses.
Glad to know there are others out there!
--Joel
jimmyblue
>>
>>In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
>>>I tudor Ron Wednesday evenings. So I'll see him tomorrow. I wonder if he'll
>>>notice that I look different.
>>
>>What did you do?
>
>I went home for the Thanksgiving Holiday, eyeball deep in crazy family
>togetherness. My cousin, who is as close to me as a sister, decided that I
>needed a make-over. I feared a Frankenstein-like catastrophe, but never the
>less I was forcedly plucked, curled, filed and painted by my cousin and her JAP
>(Jewish American Princess) friends. They squeezed me into a dress, if you can
>call a tiny tube-thing a "dress" and dragged off clubbing with them. I was even
>given hair tossing lessons in the car. They actually took my glasses away so I
>was as blind as a mole.
Oh, yes. We most certainly call a tiny tube-thing a "dress". In fact,
we call it the only kind of dress that matters. ;) Everything else
is more properly referred to as "hag bag". Hope this helps.
>They kept telling me that I was "gorgeous." I couldn't see well enough to tell
>if they were playing a cruel joke on me or if, by a direct intervention of the
>divine, I had emerged from my 24 year dormancy of plainess like a rare flower.
Sometimes forced budding is called for.
>
>At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
>experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
>masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
>suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
>tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
>complete stranger!
Are you bragging, or complaining?
>I can't believe the difference little smudges of paint make to male perception.
>(What are we, baboons?) The next morning I found a fist full of phone numbers,
>some scribbled inarticulately on napkins, stuffed into my handbag. I vaguely
>remember using the pseudonym "Monique."
Anthropology is even more interesting when you put on the monkey
suit and climb in the cage. The clipboard takes all of the fun
out of it. Have a banana.
I don't think you can scribble inarticulately. You could be
inarticulate while scribbling illegibly. You would know this,
if you needed a lobotomy to correct the burden of excess
education. ;p
Monique. Monkey. Why does this keep coming up Planet of the Apes?
"I am just a monkey man, and I'm glad you are a monkey woman too..."
>My cousin was very pleased. She gave me her very own curling iron and a gift
>package of cosmetics. So, I started actually taking her advice and "making up"
>in the morning.
>
>Now men at school have noticed the change. It's rather unnerving. This morning
>at 8:00 AM I went to give a lecture to undergrads on "The First Crusade and the
>Antecedents to East-West Geopolitics" and when I walked into the lecture hall a
>bunch of guys started clapping and hooping like cranes.
Well, if they knew you before, maybe they were voting you "most
improved".
I think your "plainness" has been a mixture, partly deliberate, of
naivete and camouflage. You are uncomfortable with attention and
hide yourself. Your desire for closeness poses conflict (and here
you are). You have allowed external values to define beauty for
yourself, and then believed this to apply to others' view of you.
But, properly tarted-up, apparently you're a tasty pastry. The
cherry on top is a nice touch.
That meaning, besides the obvious entendre, that probably a
significant aspect of your appeal is the combination of
(who knows just how much?) feminine attractiveness with
an unaffected innocence. Because you weren't expecting it,
you probably reacted happily to the "hits" instead of giving
jaded attitude. A girl who's having fun, -is- fun. A girl
who demands it be provided, is a drag. You're fresh. Fresh
is delicious and rare. Hold onto that. It doesn't come in
cans.
Hickey count. I demand a hickey count.
>I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher
>treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
>
>Maybe I really should get breast enhancement surgery!
>
>No, a lobotomy! Definately a lobotomy.
Your condition is certainly terminal. Hopefully you will live
out your remaining few decades with only a little dignity and
a whole lot o' booty shakin'. Hey, would a friendly ol'
talking serpent steer you wrong? Try the apple.
Just keep the lobes you've got. You can always be stupid later.
That goes for all four of 'em.
Try to understand your newfound super powers. Do not let them
go to your head. Make them yours to command, and cloud mens'
minds when it suits your nefarious and perverted sexual purpose.
You can still wear your Clark Kent drag when you have to pass
unchecked; ten seconds in the phone booth, and Shazam!
Ready to fight the forces of chastity!
Tirzah
>
>Oh, yes. We most certainly call a tiny tube-thing a "dress". In fact,
>we call it the only kind of dress that matters. ;) Everything else
>is more properly referred to as "hag bag". Hope this helps.
I thought it was a stretchy scarf. Really, it was tiny. I though "there's no
way I'm going out in that!" But I did. I was worried that it would fall down.
>>At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
>>experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
>>masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
>>suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
>>tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
>>complete stranger!
>
>Are you bragging, or complaining?
Okay, it was fun, I admit it. But the drinks loosened me up. I can always claim
I wasn't in my right mind.
>Anthropology is even more interesting when you put on the monkey
>suit and climb in the cage. The clipboard takes all of the fun
>out of it. Have a banana.
Freud would not approve.
>I don't think you can scribble inarticulately. You could be
>inarticulate while scribbling illegibly. You would know this,
>if you needed a lobotomy to correct the burden of excess
>education. ;p
My mistake. See, the eye shadow is eating away my brain.
>Well, if they knew you before, maybe they were voting you "most
>improved".
Now we're talking "monkeys", ie, undergrads.
>I think your "plainness" has been a mixture, partly deliberate, of
>naivete and camouflage. You are uncomfortable with attention and
>hide yourself. Your desire for closeness poses conflict (and here
>you are). You have allowed external values to define beauty for
>yourself, and then believed this to apply to others' view of you.
>But, properly tarted-up, apparently you're a tasty pastry. The
>cherry on top is a nice touch.
Desert metaphores! Thank God "dumpling" doesn't apply.
>That meaning, besides the obvious entendre, that probably a
>significant aspect of your appeal is the combination of
>(who knows just how much?) feminine attractiveness with
>an unaffected innocence. Because you weren't expecting it,
>you probably reacted happily to the "hits" instead of giving
>jaded attitude. A girl who's having fun, -is- fun. A girl
>who demands it be provided, is a drag. You're fresh. Fresh
>is delicious and rare. Hold onto that. It doesn't come in
>cans.
In some quarters that naivete is referred to as "stupidity."
>Hickey count. I demand a hickey count.
I did make-out with a guy for a little while. Kissing. I like kissing. It was
fun. One hickey. He wanted me to go someplace. My cousin rescued me.
>Your condition is certainly terminal. Hopefully you will live
>out your remaining few decades with only a little dignity and
>a whole lot o' booty shakin'. Hey, would a friendly ol'
>talking serpent steer you wrong? Try the apple.
My cousin says I need "walking lessons." She's coming out in a week for a
little vacation. It should be fun. She's a complete maniac. She says "we must
shop!" And so, shop we will.
>Just keep the lobes you've got. You can always be stupid later.
>That goes for all four of 'em.
>
>Try to understand your newfound super powers. Do not let them
>go to your head. Make them yours to command, and cloud mens'
>minds when it suits your nefarious and perverted sexual purpose.
Please don't make jokes about my non-existent sex life, or its comical history.
Tiz
S.T.Pickrell
i've always liked girls who wear glasses. i think it makes them look
sexier.
prolly cuz i've worn them since the second grade.
shawn
cora
>
>In article <mekN7.41849$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, jimmyblue says...
>>
>>Oh, yes. We most certainly call a tiny tube-thing a "dress". In fact,
>>we call it the only kind of dress that matters. ;) Everything else
>>is more properly referred to as "hag bag". Hope this helps.
>
>I thought it was a stretchy scarf. Really, it was tiny. I though "there's no
>way I'm going out in that!" But I did. I was worried that it would fall down.
Tubes are great! I have two of them. And if they look good on you, and it
appears they do by the.....ummmm...outcome of your little escapade....then
honey you *have a good figure. Because you have to have a good figure to pull
off the tube. Wait, that didn't come out right....I meant to one pull on. Cause
tubes don't hide anything. You pour one on.
>In some quarters that naivete is referred to as "stupidity."
No it isn't. Hang on to some of that.
>>Hickey count. I demand a hickey count.
>
>I did make-out with a guy for a little while. Kissing. I like kissing. It was
>fun. One hickey. He wanted me to go someplace. My cousin rescued me.
Wo wo...
:)
>My cousin says I need "walking lessons." She's coming out in a week for a
>little vacation. It should be fun. She's a complete maniac. She says "we must
>shop!" And so, shop we will.
Every girl needs gfriends to help her along. Getting the walk right takes just
a little practice. Don't over-do it. Truth is, your body *wants to move that
way. You combine dance and locomotion. Foot placement is very important. Also,
slow down your walk. Keep your shoulders squared and chin up. You want to
project presence, but be subtle. Back straight at all times. If your going to
be wearing heels, practice practice practice. Work your way up slowly. Control
in heels is an art form. Do leg stretches and calf and inner thigh exercises.
And remember, play up your best features. If your....ummm...small on top but
have long legs, work that as your focal point. A tight ass is a woman's best
ass-et. You'll know when your in the zone!
And so *will they.
And take care of all the little basics like hair, etc. Oh, and the glasses.
Make sure they are stylish and use them too. I have a girlfriend who has
developed this thing where she looks over the top of her glasses and raises an
eyebrow - it kills men dead. Add a smile or a frown and she can stop or start
one with just a glance.
:)
>Please don't make jokes about my non-existent sex life, or its comical
history.
>
>Tiz
Sensuality begins in the mind. Don't be affraid of it. It's in you waiting to
come out. Just be careful and selective with who you give intimacy to. But
sensuality can be woven into everything you do, in things like walking in the
rain, like eating. Make it a part of everything you do. And men will notice.
You want them to notice. Rent old movies and study the classic vamps like
Lauren Becall and Sophia Loren, and Marlena Dietrich (sp?) they had it. Embrace
your inner vamp honey!
Now, go knock em dead!
Cora
Joel
news:GjgN7.41582$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
> Hi Neil,
>
> Neil says...
>
> >Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
>
> You do?
> I've never heard that one before.
> <I'll probably need them soon>
>
> ~J~
> Remove "Junk" to reply
Oooohhh yes yes yes yes! There's just -something- about the way they frame
the eyes... Mmmm.. *is getting shivers just thinking about it* It -may-
have something to do with wearing glasses myself, but I think it's probably
more along the lines of 'glasses=nerd/smart' and I'm more of an intellectual
person anywho who goes for intellectuals (not that I totally ignore looks or
anything... so I do have my shallownessisity). Plus there's the eye
thing... Mmm.. *grin*
--Joel
RVD
I think it depends on the woman. Some girls looke cute or pretty in glasses and
some look horrible in them. Same for hair. Personally I prefer cute short hair
on a woman more than long hair but on some women short hair looks terrible
whereas on others long hair is a worse look.
Joe Dlhopolsky
> experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
> masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
> suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
> tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
> complete stranger!
Is that what men are supposed to do at a club? No wonder I never "got lucky".
Oh well, too late now.
Joe Dlhopolsky
joe...@yahoo.com
ChamDeja
Don't worry. You'll learn to add the 'finishings' in the car mirror
on the way to work like the rest of us do. Something to do with
better lighting. :-}
Pete Turk
<Nutm...@thejunkmail.com> writes
>
>Well, I doubt the nerd look is a look I can carry off.
>I'll just wear them - I won't do contacts.
>
Could someone tell me what the 'nerd look' actually looks like?
Come to think of it, what does the 'non-nerd look' look like?
>;-]
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
ChamDeja
> In article <GjgN7.41582$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Nutmegger says...
> >Neil says...
> >
> >>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
> >
> >You do?
> >I've never heard that one before.
> ><I'll probably need them soon>
>
> Guys who dig nerd girls do.
>
Hmmm... Well there must be a helluva lot 'em that dig nerds then!
> I don't know about "lotsa", or whether I'd go so far as to say
> that glasses increase "cuteness".
Don't be silly... Framed correctly, just as any ~art~ should be,
beauty is enhanced.
> But I frequently see women who
> have glasses which are well integrated with their "look" and it
> comes off well.
Well, I'm one of those people who has a tough time finding any frames
that work (peculiar face or something). So I found a pair of clark
kent/psycho boy hard plastic frames -- probably more suited to some
braces-wearing geek than for a woman. Outside my personality, they
would look, well... plain WRONG!
But guess what, I get lotsa compliments on 'em anyways. So you're
right 100%.
<snip>
> You can do kind of a peek-a-boo with glasses, if you have a nice
> face and hair. The glasses are like the ribbon on a present.
> They're not the point of the thing, but they are an interesting
> touch.
They're also good for toning 'down' and 'hiding'. Eyes are the
windows to the soul and sometimes ya just don't wanna let people look
in.
> And, like the ribbon, they can imply something. The
> ribbon implies that you give a shit about presentation. The
> glasses imply a lack of vanity, practicality (especially the
> $700 fashion rims ;)
Ha! I hate designer fashions, but I love designer frames... Lost my
last pair in a friggin cab and STILL have a sinking feeling in my
stomach every time I think about it. I miss my wittle speckeys.
> , and that you might be trying (or trying
> to look like you're not trying too hard) to look like a brainy
> chick.
I enjoy that look! PLUS, I get to ~see~. (lol) Best of both worlds,
I say.
> So now we have to look at you a little longer, and figure out
> the probabilities. Like unwrapping the present.
>
> Of course, a ribbon on a secondhand cardboard box hasn't quite
> the same intrigue. So string might just as well do.
Not so. Some of the funniest looking men I've known have improved
their look with a pair of glasses. Somehow, they began to 'look'
smart -- which I find appealing.
ChamDeja
> In article <mekN7.41849$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, jimmyblue says...
> >
> >Oh, yes. We most certainly call a tiny tube-thing a "dress". In fact,
> >we call it the only kind of dress that matters. ;) Everything else
> >is more properly referred to as "hag bag". Hope this helps.
>
> I thought it was a stretchy scarf. Really, it was tiny. I though "there's no
> way I'm going out in that!" But I did. I was worried that it would fall down.
>
> >>At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
> >>experience.
Get used to it! More to come.
> Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
> >>masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
> >>suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
> >>tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
> >>complete stranger!
> >
> >Are you bragging, or complaining?
>
> Okay, it was fun, I admit it. But the drinks loosened me up. I can always claim
> I wasn't in my right mind.
Don't apologize for having fun! Everyone deserves it!!!
But, when the fun's done, *do* reflect on the type of attention you're
getting. If you like it, keep it up. If you don't, tone it down.
> >Anthropology is even more interesting when you put on the monkey
> >suit and climb in the cage. The clipboard takes all of the fun
> >out of it. Have a banana.
>
> Freud would not approve.
Freud's a freak. He'd approve of just about anything...
> >I don't think you can scribble inarticulately. You could be
> >inarticulate while scribbling illegibly. You would know this,
> >if you needed a lobotomy to correct the burden of excess
> >education. ;p
>
> My mistake. See, the eye shadow is eating away my brain.
Excuse, Miss! Please don't look at being beautiful as something that
detracts from your intelligence. It doesn't. Beauty (superficial
type) comes in a bottle. ALL smart people know that!
> >Well, if they knew you before, maybe they were voting you "most
> >improved".
<snip>
> >That meaning, besides the obvious entendre, that probably a
> >significant aspect of your appeal is the combination of
> >(who knows just how much?) feminine attractiveness with
> >an unaffected innocence. Because you weren't expecting it,
> >you probably reacted happily to the "hits" instead of giving
> >jaded attitude. A girl who's having fun, -is- fun. A girl
> >who demands it be provided, is a drag. You're fresh. Fresh
> >is delicious and rare. Hold onto that. It doesn't come in
> >cans.
>
> In some quarters that naivete is referred to as "stupidity."
I agree 100%! I hate to be called naive. It's like a pat on that
'pretty little head' or something. It's right up their with having
your 'cute little cheeks' pinched as a child, imo.
<snip>
> >Your condition is certainly terminal. Hopefully you will live
> >out your remaining few decades with only a little dignity and
> >a whole lot o' booty shakin'.
No conflict is there? What's wrong with lotsa dignity AND lotsa booty
shakin' too?
> Hey, would a friendly ol'
> >talking serpent steer you wrong? Try the apple.
Now ain't that an ironic little blip?! Too funny...
<snip>
> >Just keep the lobes you've got. You can always be stupid later.
> >That goes for all four of 'em.
What's he talking about? <insert naive (lol) look> Woops! Over the
head it went. Are people really getting ear implants now?
> >Try to understand your newfound super powers. Do not let them
> >go to your head.
Tirzah - pay him no mind. You go for it!
> Make them yours to command, and cloud mens'
> >minds when it suits your nefarious and perverted sexual purpose.
Now, imho, that's good advice if I ever saw any.
ChamDeja
>
>In article <mQqN7.42129$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Nutmegger
><Nutm...@thejunkmail.com> writes
>>
>>Well, I doubt the nerd look is a look I can carry off.
>>I'll just wear them - I won't do contacts.
>>
> Could someone tell me what the 'nerd look' actually looks like?
Studious. Geeky. Somewhat cool these days.
> Come to think of it, what does the 'non-nerd look' look like?
Ordinary. Normal. ... or glamorous (a/k/a fly).
Neil
Well, hello to you!
> >Neil says...
> >
> >>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
> >
> >You do?
Yup! And there are lotsa cool frames these days. As you may remember,
there was even a fad a few years ago where many celebrities (actors,
musicians etc.) wore glasses, even people who didn't need them.
Glasses can give a more sophisticated look.
> >I've never heard that one before.
> ><I'll probably need them soon>
I just had surgery to remove a cataract, so will need new lenses
soon--not only is the cataract gone, my eyesight improved a bit. I'll
probably get new frames soon too, to freshen up my look.
One of the coolest guys I know (bassist in local symphony) has several
sets of frames, for different looks, moods etc. He even has some
Ray-Bans Wayfarers made out of driftwood.
(snip)
> I've thought about getting contacts, but I've been wearing glasses since the
> 6th grade and I'd probably feel naked without them.
Got my glasses in the 5th grade. Wore contact lenses for awhile, and
they really do work better--I could just plain see better--but people
think I look better in glasses, so I went back to glasses. You could
always get contacts, then wear glasses with clear lenses or sunglasses
when you feel like it.
I really don't even think about whether a woman needs glasses, wears
contacts or glasses etc.--doesn't really make any difference to me,
unless I see somebody wearing really ugly or damaged glasses. It's
like clothes--I don't give it much thought, unless they're really
badly dressed.
Used to know a very stylish woman who told me my glasses really
weren't bringing out the best in my looks, so I got new glasses as a
result of her comments. Figured she knew what she was talking about.
>I've always heard "men
> don't make passes at girls who wear glasses", which might be one of those silly
> folk sayings that embeds a fragment of truth.
I think glasses can look great. IMHO, among female teenagers, college
students, and popular musicians, I think glasses are more popular than
they used to be. Or look at Lisa Loeb (singer/songwriter; correct
name?) who wears glasses and looks cool. W/o the glasses, she'd still
look good, but the glasses give her a distinctive look.
Can't resist pointing out that there's a "Boys in Glasses" Web
site--don't know if there's one for girls:
http://www.neoagent.net/boysinglasses/
And these days, there are very small frames that allow lenses with a
lot of correction, yet the lenses can still be quite small, because
the lenses are close to the eye and the frames are so small that the
lenses don't get so thick near the edges. I'll probably get some like
that soon, possibly the titanium ones that are so flexible.
>I have seven pairs of glasses
Wow! You have my envy! I have two pairs myself.
>and
> some of them are very cool (I think.)
I'm sure they are!
>As to what others think, who can tell?
I like glasses myself. Never stopped me from making a pass. Plus
there's flirtatious moves and dramatic gestures you can make with
glasses.
> Maybe I'm a nerd, but men who wear glasses look okay to me.
Everybody I know thinks I look better in glasses. If I ever get laser
surgery and have my vision corrected, I'll probably still wear
glasses, because that's what I look good in. These days, with
contacts, glasses, laser surgery etc. there really are a lot of
choices.
> Tiz: girl egghead
Maybe you should start a "Girls in Glasses" Web site? I'd want to
check it out!
Neil
> Tirzah wrote:
(snip)
> i've always liked girls who wear glasses. i think it makes them look
> sexier.
Glasses can be sexy, plus there are flirtatious moves that go with
glasses. I don't automatically find glasses sexy, but they can be
sexy. Like when you kiss somebody and take their glasses off, or when
a woman takes off her glasses and looks at a guy.
> prolly cuz i've worn them since the second grade.
Hasn't been quite that long for me. Just had cataract surgery in one
eye and will do the other eye in a few months, and a happy byproduct
of that is that my eyesight's improved in the eye where the cataract
was removed. Looking forward to having the other eye done too. After
that, I may celebrate by getting some new frames--I'll need new lenses
anyway.
(Typed this with one eye shut, no glasses on the open eye--until I get
this eye biz all sorted out, that's what works the best for me!)
Neil
> In article <GjgN7.41582$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Nutmegger says...
> >Neil says...
> >
> >>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
> >
> >You do?
> >I've never heard that one before.
> ><I'll probably need them soon>
>
> Guys who dig nerd girls do.
YMMV.
> I don't know about "lotsa", or whether I'd go so far as to say
> that glasses increase "cuteness". But I frequently see women who
> have glasses which are well integrated with their "look" and it
> comes off well.
Exactly. And there are so many good-looking frames now. I think
glasses are hip these days.
(snip)
> But I saw this one at the end of the bar and she had on these
> librarian glasses.
The "sexy librarian," academic, or teacher is certainly an attractive
look, even if it's a cliche. And then there's the 1950's movie cliche,
where the woman wears glasses and her hair up, and somehow until she
takes off the glasses and lets her hair down, the hero never sees how
attractive she is.
And what's the movie where Marilyn Monroe wears glasses? "Gentlemen
Prefer Blondes"? Anyway, the glasses certainly make an exciting
counterpoint to her glamorous looks.
(snip)
> You can do kind of a peek-a-boo with glasses
Exactly. Things that conceal can add mystery and be sexy. You can use
the glasses to flirt and hint at intimacy. The glasses can be used to
say "There's more to me than just what you see."
(snip)
Neil
> "Neil" <neilk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:daa8d05c.01112...@posting.google.com...
> > Tirzah <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
> news:<Kj1N7.40499$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > > In article <3M%M7.40452$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, isha...@aol.com
> says...
> > > >
> > > >In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
(snip)
> *grins* Hiya! I too have a slight glasses fetish.
>
> Take a set of twins.
This sounds like yet another fetish... ;)
> Put glasses on one.
This fetish stuff gets complicated, I notice... ;)
> I'd prefer the one with glasses.
>
> Glad to know there are others out there!
Clearly there are people who've given this much more thought than I
have! ;)
It's not that glasses are a big turn-on for me, it's just I do think
they can look cool and attractive. I don't have a preference for women
wearing glasses vs. women who don't wear glasses. For some women, they
do look distinctive and interesting in glasses.
Maybe part of what I do like about glasses has to do with the fact
that I wear glasses myself, so I appreciate anybody who's got an
attractive way of wearing 'em. There are some people who really don't
look good in glasses. I happen to look better in glasses myself--I
wore contacts for awhile and everyone told me I looked better in
glasses!
Neil
> "Tirzah" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
> news:Kj1N7.40499$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
> > In article <3M%M7.40452$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, isha...@aol.com
> says...
> > >
> > >In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
(snip)
> Honestly, I still think that the Lisa Loeb look is nice,
There are so many attractive blonde women in show biz that Loeb really
does stand out--I think she's smart to wear glasses. At least when I
see a picture of her, I'm sure who it is!
And have you noticed that even on an album cover where she appears not
to be wearing much in the way of clothes, she still keeps the glasses
on? She seems to be quite aware that the glasses are part of her
signature look. See:
http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,311588,00.html
>though it sounds
> like you look even better now. *sigh*
How 'bout posting "before and after" makeover photos?
Jeff Pack
> Tirzah says...
> >I've always heard "men
> >don't make passes at girls who wear glasses", which might be one of
> >those silly folk sayings that embeds a fragment of truth.
> A woman actually said that, I forgot who.
Dorothy Parker. A wonderful poet--one of my favorites--but utterly,
utterly wrong on this matter.
Jeff
Neil
> In article <Kj1N7.40499$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
> >
> >In article <3M%M7.40452$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, isha...@aol.com says...
> >>
> >>In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
(snip)
> "I am just a monkey man, and I'm glad you are a monkey woman too..."
Got the allusion. BTW, I once read that "monkey man" is a homosexual
reference from blues songs, but don't know if that's true. I've only
heard "monkey man" in the Rolling Stones' song, which is rather silly
anyway. The song's on this album:
http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,156070,00.html
Lyrics:
http://www.keno.org/Monkeyman.html
(snip)
>>when I walked into the lecture hall a
> >bunch of guys started clapping and hooping like cranes.
>
> Well, if they knew you before, maybe they were voting you "most
> improved".
>
> I think your "plainness" has been a mixture, partly deliberate, of
> naivete and camouflage. You are uncomfortable with attention and
> hide yourself. Your desire for closeness poses conflict (and here
> you are). You have allowed external values to define beauty for
> yourself, and then believed this to apply to others' view of you.
Or maybe this whole psychoanalysis-of-strangers thing is getting out
of hand... ;)
> But, properly tarted-up, apparently you're a tasty pastry.
LOL!
(snip)
>A girl who's having fun, -is- fun.
True in just about any situation. I like women, and fun's good too!
(snip)
> >I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher
> >treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
Just have fun with your new self, or alter ego, secret identity, or
whatever the heck it is. You're a woman, so enjoy some different sides
of it sometimes, even if it conflicts with your self-identity
occasionally.
(snip)
> Try to understand your newfound super powers. Do not let them
> go to your head. Make them yours to command, and cloud mens'
> minds when it suits your nefarious and perverted sexual purpose.
Hmmm... intriguing... it's also making me want to go back to
college--what does Tirzah lecture on again?
(snip)
Jeff Pack
> And then there's the 1950's movie cliche, where the woman wears
> glasses and her hair up, and somehow until she takes off the glasses
> and lets her hair down, the hero never sees how attractive she is.
I get annoyed at this, or at least the incarnation one finds in
romantic comedies today: good-looking woman with unconventional
fashion sense (usually glasses and "plain" hairstyle) falls for guy,
gets a makeover wherein she puts in contacts, gets her hair done,
obtains new clothes, and winds up looking like every other
interchangeable actress in Hollywood. At this point, everybody in the
movie suddenly finds her to be the most beautiful woman on the planet,
even though she looked better before.
Jeff
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
>
>So you will train him to develop his intellectual capacities. You'll be a hero
>in his life. Aren't academics supposed to enjoy the task of influencing people's minds? Here you will take someone with potential but no training and teach him what you know so that he can develop into your equal. A close bond will form just from that.
This is a Pygmalion Project! Bad idea and a sick way to conduct a relationship.
Maybe as a friend you could help him find ways he wishes to grow, assuming he is
unhappy with his current intellectual state. Self-education is good, but not at
someone else's behest. This is just saying he isn't good enough.
>Also lots of cultural similarities. Both blacks and Jews have been slaves, and both are viewed by the mainstream as second-class citizens. I dated a black girl and loved it.
All true enough.
>Love doesn't recognize demographics and cultures but only the striving of the soul.
Yes it does. The other stuff becomes relevant, sooner or later. Having some
core things in common is essential, particularly if you want to have children.
>More like, he will see you as a beautiful little thing that needs to be treated gently. Go ahead, test your fantasies against praxis. It's the only way to find out if they are right.
This is very bad advice!
Roland THTG
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
You wrote:
>At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
>experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
>masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
>suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
>tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
>complete stranger!
Take it for what it is: a deserved boost to your ego!
This sort of method-acting is fun and proves that you can be a man magnet.
However, you don't really want a guy who just wants you for this, do you?
I hope this resolves some of your feelings about how you look! Evidently, you
ARE nice-looking, so now you can set your sights on finding someone who likes
YOU, for who you are. The self-deprecating stuff about how you look is cute,
but you mustn't believe it yourself!
>I vaguely remember using the pseudonym "Monique."
I did some method-acting like this once and it was amazing! I sort of see some
of Ray's point about confidence being crucial.
>I don't know if I should become more confident or be committed to a kosher treatment facility for the terminally misguided.
If you want to integrate some elements of this alter-ego into your persona, you
could, but it might cost you some credibility. Personally, I'm not into makeup.
You're an interesting person. There'll be heaps of guys interested in you. Be
selective!
Best,
Roland THTG
ChamDeja
Thompson Gunner says...
>
>Hi Tiz,
>
>You wrote:
>>At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
>>experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
>>masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
>>suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
>>tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
>>complete stranger!
>
>Take it for what it is: a deserved boost to your ego!
>
>This sort of method-acting is fun and proves that you can be a man magnet.
>However, you don't really want a guy who just wants you for this, do you?
>
>I hope this resolves some of your feelings about how you look! Evidently, you
>ARE nice-looking, so now you can set your sights on finding someone who likes
>YOU, for who you are. The self-deprecating stuff about how you look is cute,
>but you mustn't believe it yourself!
>
Well said! Exactly what I was trying to say...
S.T.Pickrell
> Is that what men are supposed to do at a club? No wonder I never "got
> lucky".
>
> Oh well, too late now.
she didn't seem to mind so much.
do it to enough girls and one will like it.
shawn
S.T.Pickrell
> Can't resist pointing out that there's a "Boys in Glasses" Web
> site--don't know if there's one for girls:
>
> http://www.neoagent.net/boysinglasses/
whoever made that site doesn't like nutscrape.
damn tags.
most of the chix in there had wishlists.
i lose respect for any girl who expects random guys on the net to get
her stuff.
shawn
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner
>
>Well said! Exactly what I was trying to say...
Thanks, ChamDeja. If a few of us are saying the same thing it must be right
;-).
Best,
Roland THTG
S.T.Pickrell
> And have you noticed that even on an album cover where she appears not
> to be wearing much in the way of clothes, she still keeps the glasses
> on? She seems to be quite aware that the glasses are part of her
> signature look. See:
>
> http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,311588,00.html
i want a bigger pic. at least this worked with nutscrape.
> >though it sounds
> > like you look even better now. *sigh*
>
> How 'bout posting "before and after" makeover photos?
you want *.jpg? that's my line ;)
but i will forgive since i was gone for so long.
shawn
Joel
> check it out!
Mmmhmmm.. me too! (*pretty much admits that he has a full blown glasses
fetish*)
--Joel
Chocolate Peanut
>> Maybe you should start a "Girls in Glasses" Web site? I'd want to
>> check it out!
>Mmmhmmm.. me too! (*pretty much admits that he has a full blown glasses
>fetish*)
...I wear glasses when I'm not wearing contacts...'Who said that'??
cora
it or not, people, esp men, take me more seriously. It's hard enough when you
look like I do to get men to actually pay attention to something other than
what's on the surface.
Funny thing, the night I met Michael....he approached me...I was wearing
glasses, jeans, an old t-shirt, jogging shoes, no make-up, and my hair was just
tied back in a ponytail. I wasn't fixed up at all.
He's really the first guy I have known that I feel perfectly comfortable with
just being myself.
Cora
In article <3C0714A3...@zzapp.org>, S.T.Pickrell says...
cora
LOL! That's a safe, innocent, fetish. girls who wear glasses will certainly
appreciate it. And today you can get really cool glasses. I own a pair of
Italian rose-colored sunglasses that are alot of fun to wear. In fact, in
public, I always wear sunglasses.
Glasses should be seen as an accessory item, like jewelry.
:)
Cora
Neil
> neilk...@hotmail.com (Neil) writes:
>
> > And then there's the 1950's movie cliche, where the woman wears
> > glasses and her hair up, and somehow until she takes off the glasses
> > and lets her hair down, the hero never sees how attractive she is.
>
> I get annoyed at this, or at least the incarnation one finds in
> romantic comedies today: good-looking woman with unconventional
> fashion sense (usually glasses and "plain" hairstyle) falls for guy,
> gets a makeover wherein she puts in contacts, gets her hair done,
> obtains new clothes, and winds up looking like every other
> interchangeable actress in Hollywood.
Know what you mean. And we're supposed to believe that nobody around
her could ever see past her glasses? Yeah, right... It is fun to see
pretty people in movies, but when I see a movie where an attractive
person is supposed to be unattractive, it doesn't make much sense.
>At this point, everybody in the
> movie suddenly finds her to be the most beautiful woman on the planet,
> even though she looked better before.
I know just what you mean. It's hard for an "ugly duckling" story to
be credible when the duckling isn't ugly at all! There's some teen
movie with Freddie Prinze Jr. like that--the girl's supposed to be so
unattractive and weird, but at least IMHO, she looks fine before the
makeover, ditching the glasses etc.
Roger Ebert pointed out that in the movie "The Truth About Cats and
Dogs," where Uma Thurman is supposed to be the beauty and Janeane
Garofalo (spelling?) was supposed to be so homely, he thought Garofalo
was attractive and it was hard to believe that she wouldn't have BF,
dates etc. It's another case where the Hollywood idea of unattractive
seems to mean "anything less than supermodel looks." Having both the
beauty and the duckling be attractive confuses the audience, as you've
noticed. Had the same experience myself.
There's a German movie from the 1970's where a German woman (maybe
60?) and not at all attractive (and I'm not slamming her for her age,
she really would have been frumpy at any age) marries a mid-eastern
immigrant who's maybe half her age or less. Definitely not a Hollywood
movie! Anyway, she worries that he's just using her to help him gain
citizenship, but eventually she realizes he really does love her and
the age difference is meaningless, despite the fact they do make
somewhat of an odd couple. They learn to love and accept each other,
despite their many differences. Anyway, it's a lot better movie than
the sort of movies you refer to, where "unattractive" is defined as
"girl who wears funky clothes and glasses, yet has perfect skin etc."
and we're supposed to believe no guy would ever notice her.
Neil
> In article <3M%M7.40452$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, isha...@aol.com says...
> >
> >In article <ZF%M7.40444$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
(snip)
>They squeezed me into a dress, if you can
> call a tiny tube-thing a "dress" and dragged off clubbing with them. I was even
> given hair tossing lessons in the car. They actually took my glasses away so I
> was as blind as a mole.
>
> They kept telling me that I was "gorgeous."
(snip)
> I couldn't see well enough to tell
> if they were playing a cruel joke on me or if, by a direct intervention of the
> divine, I had emerged from my 24 year dormancy of plainess like a rare flower.
>
> At the club, men flirted with me, some outrageously. It was a strange
> experience. Usually men barely notice me. But suddenly I was getting a lot of
> masculine attention. Very heady. They asked me to dance, bought me drinks,
> suggested lascivious liaisons in their cars, motels, and/or the nearest
> tabletop. I was pawed, pinched, fondled, and even kissed on the neck by a
> complete stranger!
>
> I can't believe the difference little smudges of paint make to male perception.
At the risk of being obvious, I think what happened is maybe not so
much that you became more or less attracive, but that the new,
glamorous look sent out different signals/cues than your usual look.
And men responded to that.
I gather that your usual look is more mild-mannered. I bet there are
men who are attracted to you that way, but not in such an overt way as
the nightclub guys did.
> (What are we, baboons?)
LOL! See above. But actually, your new look sent very clear signals,
and the guys respnded to that. Is that like being animals? If so,
that's OK too--at least you know what's going on here.
(snip)
> Now men at school have noticed the change. It's rather unnerving. This morning
> at 8:00 AM I went to give a lecture to undergrads on "The First Crusade and the
> Antecedents to East-West Geopolitics" and when I walked into the lecture hall a
> bunch of guys started clapping and hooping like cranes.
Or whooping? Anyway, again, IMHO you're sending different signals than
you did with your old look, so you're getting a different, more
extroverted sort of response. Now that you're learning more about what
look evokes different responses, you can use and enjoy that.
Suggested reading:
The Anatomy of Love
Sexual Body Talk
I learned a lot from both books. Cues/signals/body language really do
mean a lot, perhaps more than speech and other forms of communication.
(snip)
Neil
> In article <3C062122...@zzapp.org>, S.T.Pickrell says...
(snip)
> >i've always liked girls who wear glasses. i think it makes them look
> >sexier.
(snip)
> I think it depends on the woman. Some girls looke cute or pretty in glasses and
> some look horrible in them. Same for hair. Personally I prefer cute short hair
> on a woman more than long hair but on some women short hair looks terrible
> whereas on others long hair is a worse look.
Know whaqt you mean. There's a woman I know, and I saw her w/o her
glasses once, and she looked sooooooo much better. The glasses really
don't work well for her. She could use a makeover, not that it's any
of my beeswax. The glasses, the way she dresses etc. really hold her
back from looking her best.
It's not like every duckling needs to turn into a beautiful swan or
something. Like I said, none of my beeswax. It's just a shame to see
people who are held back from looking their best, when a few changes
would make a real difference. I'm always careful to note when people
give me a compliment about something I wear, so I can apply that idea
and try to look my best. I'll never be a supermodel, but that's no
reason not to look the best I can.
Neil
And you thought we hadn't already guessed? Well, at least the fetish
is about girls in glasses, not just the glasses themselves! ;)
Neil
> In article <mQqN7.42129$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Nutmegger
> <Nutm...@thejunkmail.com> writes
> >
> >Well, I doubt the nerd look is a look I can carry off.
> >I'll just wear them - I won't do contacts.
> >
> Could someone tell me what the 'nerd look' actually looks like?
I guess it's bookish, not overtly sexy, more shy, something like that.
(My guess, and I've had a few bookstore dates, so being bookish isn't
a turnoff for me.)
> Come to think of it, what does the 'non-nerd look' look like?
Aw, c'mon, haven't you seen enough teen Hollywood movies to know the
difference? Do I have to explain all the cliches? ;)
Neil
> jimmyblue <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<EtjN7.41815$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > >
> > >>Personally, I think lotsa women look cute in glasses--
(snip)
> > I don't know about "lotsa", or whether I'd go so far as to say
> > that glasses increase "cuteness".
>
> Don't be silly... Framed correctly, just as any ~art~ should be,
> beauty is enhanced.
And if nothing else, most people do have nice eyes. If I can't think
of anything else, and/or I want to give a woman a compliment that's
sincere and not overwhelming, I tell her she has nice eyes. It's much
more credible than saying she's a goddess or something, which most
people won't believe about themselves anyway. Plus giving an eye
compliment helps keep eye contact going, which is a big thing in body
language.
> > But I frequently see women who
> > have glasses which are well integrated with their "look" and it
> > comes off well.
>
> Well, I'm one of those people who has a tough time finding any frames
> that work (peculiar face or something).
Know what you mean. In my case, horn rims or anything with edges that
poke out away from my face just look dreadful on me. I like the style,
but it just doesn't work for me.
> So I found a pair of clark
> kent/psycho boy hard plastic frames -- probably more suited to some
> braces-wearing geek than for a woman. Outside my personality, they
> would look, well... plain WRONG!
>
> But guess what, I get lotsa compliments on 'em anyways.
I think those frames may contrast with your feminity and thus play up
your feminity, making you more attractive. That's my guess, although
obviously I've never seen you! ;)
(snip)
> They're also good for toning 'down' and 'hiding'. Eyes are the
> windows to the soul and sometimes ya just don't wanna let people look
> in.
Agree. And you can use them to show or not show your eyes, as you
wish.
I've thought about getting photochromic glasses, but I dislike the
fact that people would have difficulty making eye contact with me.
That would reduce intimacy. Same for sunglasses.
I'm thinking about getting some wire-rim frames that come with
sunglass lenses that are designed to fit over the lenses in the frame.
Then I could get in and out of sunglasses w/o having to find my
sunglasses.
(snip)
> Ha! I hate designer fashions, but I love designer frames... Lost my
> last pair in a friggin cab and STILL have a sinking feeling in my
> stomach every time I think about it. I miss my wittle speckeys.
I almost envy you for being able to take off glasses and lose 'em--I
can't even think w/o my specs, so I'm very careful about 'em. If I
lost 'em, I'd drop everything and have a new pair made ASAP.
(Needed new lenses and missed most of work earlier today 'cause I
dropped everything to go get the new lenses installed. As I mentioned
elsewhere in this thread, I had eye surgery recently and it changed my
prescription a lot, making my old specs headache-makers.)
> > , and that you might be trying (or trying
> > to look like you're not trying too hard) to look like a brainy
> > chick.
>
> I enjoy that look! PLUS, I get to ~see~. (lol) Best of both worlds,
> I say.
You wouldn't want to run around like John Lennon in the early 1960's,
where millions screamed for his attention, yet he could barely see
them from the stage!
(snip)
>Some of the funniest looking men I've known have improved
> their look with a pair of glasses. Somehow, they began to 'look'
> smart -- which I find appealing.
I think it can add class and dignity to a guy, and/or make him look
cool. I know that I look lousy w/o glasses--when I wore contacts for
awhile, everyone kept telling me how much better I'd looked in
glasses. Slightly annoying, given that I had better eyesight
w/contacts, but I went back to glasses. So mark me down as somebody
who wears glasses just for vanity!
Spec-tacularly yours,
Neil
Neil
When I wrote the above, I realized the chances of her posting photos
was probably zip, but I couldn't resist asking anyway!
> but i will forgive since i was gone for so long.
Well, howdy! I've been kinda intermittent myself this year.
Neil
(snip)
> Funny thing, the night I met Michael....he approached me...I was wearing
> glasses, jeans, an old t-shirt, jogging shoes, no make-up, and my hair was just
> tied back in a ponytail. I wasn't fixed up at all.
> He's really the first guy I have known that I feel perfectly comfortable with
> just being myself.
It's intereesting--I bet the fact you met when you weren't all dolled
up gives you a feeling that he sees you for who you are, not just the
image you might present when you're dolled up.
That feeling of being liked for who you are is really powerful. I'm no
supermodel or anything, but I dated a woman who thought I was just the
greatest thing since sliced bread, or I guess that's what she needed
to believe. It was kinda flattering, but also made me slightly
uncomfortable--I just never felt like I could live up to the image she
liked so much. One thing I love about my wife is that I feel that she
loves me for who I am and doesn't see me as somebody who's just
fantastically wonderful. So if you're considering marrying this guy, I
know how powerful that feeling of being loved for who you are is.
Neil
> > In article <mekN7.41849$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, jimmyblue says...
(snip)
> Excuse, Miss! Please don't look at being beautiful as something that
> detracts from your intelligence. It doesn't. Beauty (superficial
> type) comes in a bottle.
Really? And where can I get this bottle? Do I drink this stuff, or
apply it externally? I'll try this stuff anyway that might work!
>ALL smart people know that!
Guess that explains why I don't know about this bottle thing!
(snip)
> > Please don't make jokes about my non-existent sex life, or its comical history.
> >
> > Tiz
Tiz, seems like you're kinda flirting in this thread--seems consistent
with your new, flirtatious look, eh? Think you're just ready to meet a
guy, have a BF etc. Good hunting!
Neil
Agree, although that was never my style. Never met women in clubs
anyway--just wasn't my scene. Like to go out dancing etc., but clubs
just weren't a good place for me to meet women. If I'm attracted to
somebody, it's 'cause we had good conversation when we met, and clubs
aren't suited to that.
Tirzah
>
>In article <xBlN7.41908$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...>>>Oh, yes. We most certainly call a tiny tube-thing a "dress". In fact,
>>>we call it the only kind of dress that matters. ;) Everything else
>>>is more properly referred to as "hag bag". Hope this helps.
>>
>>I thought it was a stretchy scarf. Really, it was tiny. I though "there's no
>>way I'm going out in that!" But I did. I was worried that it would fall down.
>
>Tubes are great! I have two of them. And if they look good on you, and it
>appears they do by the.....ummmm...outcome of your little escapade....then
>honey you *have a good figure. Because you have to have a good figure to pull
>off the tube. Wait, that didn't come out right....I meant to one pull on.
Cause
>tubes don't hide anything. You pour one on.
I have a good figure, I took dance classes, mostly ballet, since I was old
enough to stand. My parents wanted an "artist" in the family.
>Every girl needs gfriends to help her along. Getting the walk right takes just
>a little practice. Don't over-do it. Truth is, your body *wants to move that
>way. You combine dance and locomotion. Foot placement is very important. Also,
>slow down your walk. Keep your shoulders squared and chin up. You want to
>project presence, but be subtle. Back straight at all times. If your going to
>be wearing heels, practice practice practice. Work your way up slowly. Control
>in heels is an art form. Do leg stretches and calf and inner thigh exercises.
>And remember, play up your best features. If your....ummm...small on top but
>have long legs, work that as your focal point. A tight ass is a woman's best
>ass-et. You'll know when your in the zone!
>And so *will they.
Thanks for the information. I'm trying! I also have a confession to make; I
bought a "wonder bra". My breasts are small, but not badly shaped. I just
wanted a little lift. I don't want to be too obvious.
>And take care of all the little basics like hair, etc. Oh, and the glasses.
>Make sure they are stylish and use them too. I have a girlfriend who has
>developed this thing where she looks over the top of her glasses and raises an
>eyebrow - it kills men dead. Add a smile or a frown and she can stop or start
>one with just a glance.
>
>:)
>
>>Please don't make jokes about my non-existent sex life, or its comical
>history.
>>
>>Tiz
>
>Sensuality begins in the mind. Don't be affraid of it. It's in you waiting to
>come out. Just be careful and selective with who you give intimacy to. But
>sensuality can be woven into everything you do, in things like walking in the
>rain, like eating. Make it a part of everything you do. And men will notice.
>You want them to notice. Rent old movies and study the classic vamps like
>Lauren Becall and Sophia Loren, and Marlena Dietrich (sp?) they had it.
Embrace
>your inner vamp honey!
>Now, go knock em dead!
>Cora
I just hope he doesn't die laughing! But thanks for the advice. I _do_
appreciate it. Will picks me up at eight! I hope I don't look like a slut.
My "inner vamp." More like my inner frump!
Tiz
ChamDeja
>
>ChamDeja says...
>
>>You'll learn to add the 'finishings' in the car mirror
>>on the way to work like the rest of us do.
>
>"NOT!"
>I'm too busy shifting.
>
>~J~
>Remove "Junk" to reply
Haha! I've always wanted to learn to do sticks!
Pssst... I just wanted to see how long that would go unchallenged. (lol)
ChamDeja
>
>cham...@my-deja.com (ChamDeja) wrote in message news:<700fb595.01112...@posting.google.com>...
>> Tirzah <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<xBlN7.41908$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>...
>> > In article <mekN7.41849$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, jimmyblue says...
>
>(snip)
>
>> Excuse, Miss! Please don't look at being beautiful as something that
>> detracts from your intelligence. It doesn't. Beauty (superficial
>> type) comes in a bottle.
>
>Really? And where can I get this bottle? Do I drink this stuff, or
>apply it externally? I'll try this stuff anyway that might work!
>
Um, Neil, I'm sure by your confidence that you've already got it. :-)
Just my way of saying that smart people figure out what makes them look good and
how to do it, too. Can't speak for the men, but for ladies, the 'right'
lipstick, the 'right' hairstyle, the 'right' scent, etc. Nothing secretive to
it at all. Anyone that wants to can be beautiful is the point.
>>ALL smart people know that!
Provided they're interested in their appearance, that is.
Tirzah
>
>Hi Tiz,
>Sorry I told you to f*** off before.
>I do that sometimes...
>Anyway I haven't read all the replies but I'll add my thoughts.
>
>Tirzah says...
>
>>Embrace
>>>your inner vamp honey!
>>>Now, go knock em dead!
>>>Cora
>>
>>I just hope he doesn't die laughing! But thanks for the advice. I _do_
>>appreciate it. Will picks me up at eight! I hope I don't look like a slut.
>
>then by all means - tone down the vamp stuff.
>You'll be sending him a message, you don't want to confuse the man or put him
on
>the spot.
>Just dress nice, wear what you feel comfortable in. Going out with someone is
>NOT the time to try a new look and from some of the postings I caught you were
>uneasy about accepting a date with him in the first place.
>So with all that in mind, I'd suggest you leave the vampishness at the door -
be
>yourself.
>
>>My "inner vamp." More like my inner frump!
>
>around so tuck your inner vamp away for when it feels natural to want to come
>out and play.
>
>~J~
>Remove "Junk" to reply
I am not going to "vamp" Will. I've decided on something between vamp and
librarian. I appreciate Cora's suggestion, really, but I don't think I can pull
it off. I'm not a "vamp". I'm nervous and self-conscious. I certainly don't
want to confuse poor Will, or send mixed signals. I really don't know how I
feel about him.
Okay, professional admiration for his suave academic skills. I'm sure he could
screw dozens of undergrad coeds. They love him!
So why did he ask me out?
He wants to torment me. That's it! I'm safe. No effort on his part. He doesn't
have to think about sex or relationships, or anything like that. I'm just a guy
with tits to him. (Very small tits!)
Okay asshole, let's get this fucking dinner over with!
Tiz
ChamDeja
>Know what you mean. In my case, horn rims or anything with edges that
>poke out away from my face just look dreadful on me. I like the style,
>but it just doesn't work for me.
>
>> So I found a pair of clark
>> kent/psycho boy hard plastic frames -- probably more suited to some
>> braces-wearing geek than for a woman. Outside my personality, they
>> would look, well... plain WRONG!
>>
>> But guess what, I get lotsa compliments on 'em anyways.
>
>I think those frames may contrast with your feminity and thus play up
>your feminity, making you more attractive. That's my guess, although
>obviously I've never seen you! ;)
>
LOL! Well thanks, anyway. But in all honesty, I think they're just
weird-looking so people get a bit of 'shock', too. As a matter of fact, I get a
big inner laugh going just watching the expressions on their faces. (See why
psycho-boy frames fit now?) (lol)
>(snip)
>
>> They're also good for toning 'down' and 'hiding'. Eyes are the
>> windows to the soul and sometimes ya just don't wanna let people look
>> in.
>
>Agree. And you can use them to show or not show your eyes, as you
>wish.
>
>I've thought about getting photochromic glasses,
What's that?
> but I dislike the
>fact that people would have difficulty making eye contact with me.
>That would reduce intimacy. Same for sunglasses.
>
>I'm thinking about getting some wire-rim frames that come with
>sunglass lenses that are designed to fit over the lenses in the frame.
>Then I could get in and out of sunglasses w/o having to find my
>sunglasses.
LOL! I've seen those and they are pretty nice. I can't do wire rims, though.
Jealous of ya now, 'cause the best styles are usually those little wire ones.
>(snip)
>
>> Ha! I hate designer fashions, but I love designer frames... Lost my
>> last pair in a friggin cab and STILL have a sinking feeling in my
>> stomach every time I think about it. I miss my wittle speckeys.
>
>I almost envy you for being able to take off glasses and lose 'em--I
>can't even think w/o my specs, so I'm very careful about 'em. If I
>lost 'em, I'd drop everything and have a new pair made ASAP.
I only need mine for driving and seeing in dark/overshadowed lighting. Although,
a couple years ago I started thinking that glasses (or going without them) was
causing me to appear to be a snob if you know what I mean.
I wasn't snubbing anyone. I really didn't see them! :-)
>(Needed new lenses and missed most of work earlier today 'cause I
>dropped everything to go get the new lenses installed. As I mentioned
>elsewhere in this thread, I had eye surgery recently and it changed my
>prescription a lot, making my old specs headache-makers.)
Eye surgery! That's scarey stuff, man. I hope all went well with it. Eyes are
so delicate that it makes me cringe to think of surgery there.
>> > , and that you might be trying (or trying
>> > to look like you're not trying too hard) to look like a brainy
>> > chick.
>>
>> I enjoy that look! PLUS, I get to ~see~. (lol) Best of both worlds,
>> I say.
>
>You wouldn't want to run around like John Lennon in the early 1960's,
>where millions screamed for his attention, yet he could barely see
>them from the stage!
>
>(snip)
>
>>Some of the funniest looking men I've known have improved
>> their look with a pair of glasses. Somehow, they began to 'look'
>> smart -- which I find appealing.
>
>I think it can add class and dignity to a guy, and/or make him look
>cool. I know that I look lousy w/o glasses--when I wore contacts for
>awhile, everyone kept telling me how much better I'd looked in
>glasses. Slightly annoying, given that I had better eyesight
>w/contacts, but I went back to glasses. So mark me down as somebody
>who wears glasses just for vanity!
>
>Spec-tacularly yours,
>Neil
Hey, there's no shame in a lil vanity, imho! I remember a couple of guys at
work thinking that I was vein whenever they'd see me without my glasses. Of
course I got a little devilish chuckle from that, too. Since, truth be known, I
would prefer to have my glasses ON (especially since the glasses coordinated eva
so perfectly with the librarian look OR the power suit OR whatever character I
was playing that day). I just kept forgotting them at home! So, yep, I wear my
glasses for a stylish kinda vanity, too.
Don't ya just love life's little ironies? hehe
Realpch
<snip>
>There's a German movie from the 1970's where a German woman (maybe
>60?) and not at all attractive (and I'm not slamming her for her age,
>she really would have been frumpy at any age) marries a mid-eastern
>immigrant who's maybe half her age or less. Definitely not a Hollywood
>movie! Anyway, she worries that he's just using her to help him gain
>citizenship, but eventually she realizes he really does love her and
>the age difference is meaningless, despite the fact they do make
>somewhat of an odd couple. They learn to love and accept each other,
>despite their many differences. Anyway, it's a lot better movie than
>the sort of movies you refer to, where "unattractive" is defined as
>"girl who wears funky clothes and glasses, yet has perfect skin etc."
>and we're supposed to believe no guy would ever notice her.
Yeah, that just kills me about the movies. More "normal" looking people,
please!
Peach
Nunya
-Shell :)
"Tirzah" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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S.T.Pickrell
> I know just what you mean. It's hard for an "ugly duckling" story to
> be credible when the duckling isn't ugly at all! There's some teen
> movie with Freddie Prinze Jr. like that--the girl's supposed to be so
> unattractive and weird, but at least IMHO, she looks fine before the
> makeover, ditching the glasses etc.
she's all that. it was actually not half-bad, as it painted the popular
kids as individuals as opposed to a single-thinking Nerdz R Evil entity.
laney, the girl fp jr is chasing, is a little snit, as far as i was
concerned. she bit off fp jr's head when he asked her out and was
rude throughout the movie even to her (male) friend jesse.
that dance sequence was just sorta weird.
shawn
S.T.Pickrell
> Aw, c'mon, haven't you seen enough teen Hollywood movies to know the
> difference? Do I have to explain all the cliches? ;)
are you going to see not another teen movie?
shawn
S.T.Pickrell
>
> When I wrote the above, I realized the chances of her posting photos
> was probably zip, but I couldn't resist asking anyway!
heh.
how can you know mrs koomen is the best looking woman in the world
without a constant basis for comparison?
> > but i will forgive since i was gone for so long.
>
> Well, howdy! I've been kinda intermittent myself this year.
good we're back. i feel less bitter now.
shawn
jimmyblue
>
>I'm just a guy with tits to him. (Very small tits!)
You sure do go on about it.
It seems odd that you are so fixed on size. While I have a
preference as to this, its range is pretty broad. Any guy
can have a different preference. But what matters most is
that -you- are a sexy whole. It's not about the bits and pieces
(except for some who are unusually focused). And while I'll
take your pronouncement at face value, I can't think it has
anything to do with anything.
Hey, if it really bothers you, date men with small mouths. ;)
Pete Turk
>
>I am not going to "vamp" Will. I've decided on something between vamp and
>librarian. I appreciate Cora's suggestion, really, but I don't think I can pull
>it off. I'm not a "vamp". I'm nervous and self-conscious. I certainly don't
>want to confuse poor Will, or send mixed signals. I really don't know how I
>feel about him.
>
>Okay, professional admiration for his suave academic skills. I'm sure he could
>screw dozens of undergrad coeds. They love him!
>
>So why did he ask me out?
>
>He wants to torment me. That's it! I'm safe. No effort on his part. He doesn't
>have to think about sex or relationships, or anything like that. I'm just a guy
>with tits to him. (Very small tits!)
>
>Okay asshole, let's get this fucking dinner over with!
>
>Tiz
:) :) :)
Well it's 9.30am in England, so now it'll be 4.30am EST 'over therrr'
and so that dinner will be over.
But when I saw this huge thread, a 'forced make-over' from another
huge thread, I thought of what our Emily might have said of your
situation, Tiz:
I stepped from Plank to Plank
A slow and cautious way
The stars about my Head I felt
About my Feet the Sea.
I knew not but the next
Would be my final inch --
That gave me that precarious Gait
Some call Experience.
-- Emily Dickinson
and don't forget that Cora's talking to you from _her_ own
perspective, one that's as familiar with the ways of man-and-maid as
yours is with Nietsche.
And I do hope it went well.
Pete Turk <Pe...@ragtag.demon.co.uk> ICQ# 11981084
RFA Moonshadow
--
May your doorstep ever be dirty.
-- Romany blessing
Crystal ClearTruth
> In article <gKXN7.44786$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, Tirzah says...
> >
> >I'm just a guy with tits to him. (Very small tits!)
>
> You sure do go on about it.
I noticed that, too.
> It seems odd that you are so fixed on size. While I have a
> preference as to this, its range is pretty broad. Any guy
> can have a different preference. But what matters most is
> that -you- are a sexy whole.
She's just beginning to realize that now (or so it seems). Amazing
what a little touch-up can do for one's self image! AND... no surgery
required!
> It's not about the bits and pieces
> (except for some who are unusually focused).
Or some one looking for mama-style nurturing.
> And while I'll
> take your pronouncement at face value, I can't think it has
> anything to do with anything.
Exactly.
> Hey, if it really bothers you, date men with small mouths. ;)
ROFL!
I've often thought (since I'm in the same predicament as Miss T), a
viable alternative to this dilema would be to just get one of those
water-filled bras and hand it to the guy to fondle (or whatever),
provided he's tending my other needs. (evil *g*)
Tirzah
ClearTruth says...
I make breast size jokes. I make jokes about men's hair pieces. I make jokes
about almost everything. PLEASE don't take me seriously!
But I do like the balloon suggestion.
My date with Will went fine. I got all worked up over nothing. He just needed
someone to talk to and one of my sterling character traits is people feel
comfortable talking to me.
He was very mannerly, as always. The conversation revolved around his potential
tenure. He's being considered for a full professorship.
He also talked about his divorce, his ex-wife, and her apparent lack of
enthusiasm for conjugal athletics. At one point he looked me soulfully and
asked if I didn't believe that men and women owed it to themselves to bring
pleasure into their lives. I had a mouth full of food so all I could was nod.
(Sure!)
He complimented me on my "new look" and suggested that we should see more of
each other, hinting at some vague professional "collaborations" he was working
on, & etc.
It was a very pleasant evening. He took me back to my apartment, we exchanged a
chaste kiss, and I was safely ensconced in my crisp white sheets by 12:30.
"Much Ado About Nothing"
Tiz
Chocolate Peanut
>My date with Will went fine. I got all worked up over nothing. He just needed
>
>someone to talk to and one of my sterling character traits is people feel
>comfortable talking to me.
>
>He was very mannerly, as always. The conversation revolved around his
>potential
>tenure. He's being considered for a full professorship.
>
>He also talked about his divorce, his ex-wife, and her apparent lack of
>enthusiasm for conjugal athletics. At one point he looked me soulfully and
>asked if I didn't believe that men and women owed it to themselves to bring
>pleasure into their lives. I had a mouth full of food so all I could was nod.
>
>(Sure!)
>
>He complimented me on my "new look" and suggested that we should see more of
>each other, hinting at some vague professional "collaborations" he was
>working
>on, & etc.
>
>It was a very pleasant evening. He took me back to my apartment, we exchanged
>a
>chaste kiss, and I was safely ensconced in my crisp white sheets by 12:30.
>
>"Much Ado About Nothing"
Ummm...those crisp white sheets are going to be all creased very soon....:)
Peanut
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S.T.Pickrell
> He also talked about his divorce, his ex-wife, and her apparent lack of
> enthusiasm for conjugal athletics.
could be he wasn't a good athlete.
> At one point he looked me soulfully and asked if I didn't believe that
> men and women owed it to themselves to bring pleasure into their lives.
> I had a mouth full of food so all I could was nod. (Sure!)
he's hitting on ya. just taking it slowly, which attests ok to his
strength of character.
> He complimented me on my "new look" and suggested that we should see
> more of each other, hinting at some vague professional "collaborations"
> he was working on, & etc.
are there rules at your university about that sort of thing?
> It was a very pleasant evening. He took me back to my apartment, we
> exchanged a chaste kiss, and I was safely ensconced in my crisp white
> sheets by 12:30.
ok. good luck with your next date.
in any case, do look beyond the professional appearance of his life.
shawn
Neil
> >From: neilk...@hotmail.com (Neil)
(snip)
>Anyway, it's a lot better movie than
> >the sort of movies you refer to, where "unattractive" is defined as
> >"girl who wears funky clothes and glasses, yet has perfect skin etc."
> >and we're supposed to believe no guy would ever notice her.
>
> Yeah, that just kills me about the movies. More "normal" looking people,
> please!
I don't mind looking at pretty people, but when really attactive
actors play unattractive people, it undermines the credibility of the
story. It's poor and inappropriate casting.
Neil
> Neil wrote:
> >
> > "S.T.Pickrell" <spic...@zzapp.org> wrote in message
> > > you want *.jpg? that's my line ;)
> >
> > When I wrote the above, I realized the chances of her posting photos
> > was probably zip, but I couldn't resist asking anyway!
>
> heh.
>
> how can you know mrs koomen is the best looking woman in the world
> without a constant basis for comparison?
She's the best woman for me. Heck, if marriage was a beauty contest,
I'd be in a lot of trouble myself! ;)
> > > but i will forgive since i was gone for so long.
> >
> > Well, howdy! I've been kinda intermittent myself this year.
>
> good we're back. i feel less bitter now.
Bitter is bad, so glad you're feeling less bitter.
(snip)
Neil
> In article <daa8d05c.01113...@posting.google.com>, Neil says...
> >
> >cham...@my-deja.com (ChamDeja) wrote in message news:<700fb595.01112...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Tirzah <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<xBlN7.41908$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>...
> >> > In article <mekN7.41849$xS6....@www.newsranger.com>, jimmyblue says...
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >> Excuse, Miss! Please don't look at being beautiful as something that
> >> detracts from your intelligence. It doesn't. Beauty (superficial
> >> type) comes in a bottle.
> >
> >Really? And where can I get this bottle? Do I drink this stuff, or
> >apply it externally? I'll try this stuff anyway that might work!
>
> Um, Neil, I'm sure by your confidence that you've already got it. :-)
Sheesh, gee whiz, what a nice thing to say, ChamDeja! ;)
> Just my way of saying that smart people figure out what makes them look good and
> how to do it, too. Can't speak for the men, but for ladies, the 'right'
> lipstick, the 'right' hairstyle, the 'right' scent, etc. Nothing secretive to
> it at all. Anyone that wants to can be beautiful is the point.
I think women are more self-conscious and better at figuring that
stuff out than men are. Lots of men are a real mess, or they're stuck
in a look that worked for them many years ago--at my church, there's a
guy who I'm guessing grew his hair down to his collar, and grew long
sideburns too, back in the 1970's. It really doesn't look good now.
Longish hair only works on younger men, IMHO--at middle-age and older,
it just looks like an affectation, or something they should have let
go of long ago. Shorter hair on middle-aged and older men can look
elegant.
Secret of the best-dressed, best-groomed guy I know: When he goes
shopping, he only looks at the mannequins. (That's a big time-saver
right there--he doesn't rummage around in stores.) Then if he sees an
outfit he likes, he buys the entire outfit. (If he can't afford the
entire outfit, he doesn't buy anything.) Then he only wears the entire
outfit, never individual pieces of it. He always looks sharp and well
dressed. He told me that given that the stores already have people who
know who to match up clothes, he just takes advantage of that and buys
the entire, professionally-designed look. Clever, eh? I never thought
of it!
> >>ALL smart people know that!
>
> Provided they're interested in their appearance, that is.
Sometimes I wish more people were. Sometimes I look at people and
think, "He/she needs a makeover. That look just doesn't work for
them."
(I used to be kinda a sharp dresser, wore a lot of suits, dressed very
well etc., but I confess I've let this casual workforce thing lead me
astray. I'm still self-conscious about having good-looking glasses,
'cause that's the one thing I wear daily.)
Neil
> In article <daa8d05c.01113...@posting.google.com>, Neil says...
(snip)
> >I think those frames may contrast with your feminity and thus play up
> >your feminity, making you more attractive. That's my guess, although
> >obviously I've never seen you! ;)
> >
>
> LOL! Well thanks, anyway. But in all honesty, I think they're just
> weird-looking so people get a bit of 'shock', too. As a matter of fact, I get a
> big inner laugh going just watching the expressions on their faces.
Well, if it gets their attention, that can work for you.
(snip)
> >> They're also good for toning 'down' and 'hiding'. Eyes are the
> >> windows to the soul and sometimes ya just don't wanna let people look
> >> in.
> >
> >Agree. And you can use them to show or not show your eyes, as you
> >wish.
> >
> >I've thought about getting photochromic glasses,
>
> What's that?
Lenses that automatically darken in the sunlight, then clear up in
dimmer light. (I think "photochromic" is the correct word here.)
> > but I dislike the
> >fact that people would have difficulty making eye contact with me.
> >That would reduce intimacy. Same for sunglasses.
> >
> >I'm thinking about getting some wire-rim frames that come with
> >sunglass lenses that are designed to fit over the lenses in the frame.
> >Then I could get in and out of sunglasses w/o having to find my
> >sunglasses.
>
> LOL! I've seen those and they are pretty nice. I can't do wire rims, though.
> Jealous of ya now, 'cause the best styles are usually those little wire ones.
Wire rims usually work the best for me, and I like the light weight.
Have you seen the titanium frames that are very flexible? You can even
twist them and they'll snap back into shape.
Saw some little glossy black plastic rectangular frames recently, with
silver earpieces. I liked 'em, but my wife says they look too much
like something a teenage guy we know would wear--it's not appropriate
for me. Hmmmm... anyway, she really liked the wire rims w/the snap-on
sunglasses, and she's the one who has to look at my glasses, not me.
I've had eye surgery recently, so I'm feeling very eye-conscious
lately and will probably get new frames to go along with the new
lenses.
I'm surprised wire rims don't look good on you--there are so many
styles now, like the ones where there's no frames at all, just a few
pieces of wire hanging off the lenses.
> >(snip)
> >
> >> Ha! I hate designer fashions, but I love designer frames...
Know what you mean. I've noticed that sometimes the designer frames
don't really go with the same designer's clothes either--I guess
outside designers do the glasses. (Now wearing Brooks Brother glasses,
BTW, although haven't had any BB clothes in many years.)
>>>Lost my
> >> last pair in a friggin cab and STILL have a sinking feeling in my
> >> stomach every time I think about it. I miss my wittle speckeys.
> >
> >I almost envy you for being able to take off glasses and lose 'em--I
> >can't even think w/o my specs, so I'm very careful about 'em. If I
> >lost 'em, I'd drop everything and have a new pair made ASAP.
>
> I only need mine for driving and seeing in dark/overshadowed lighting. Although,
> a couple years ago I started thinking that glasses (or going without them) was
> causing me to appear to be a snob if you know what I mean.
>
> I wasn't snubbing anyone. I really didn't see them! :-)
Oh, I see! Actually, I went through that too, just before the eye
surgery. Went to a local charity walk hoping to meet up with friends,
but never found 'em--I just couldn't see 'em in a crowd!
> >(Needed new lenses and missed most of work earlier today 'cause I
> >dropped everything to go get the new lenses installed. As I mentioned
> >elsewhere in this thread, I had eye surgery recently and it changed my
> >prescription a lot, making my old specs headache-makers.)
>
> Eye surgery! That's scarey stuff, man. I hope all went well with it.
Great, actually. Thank you for your good wishes, ChamDeja.
> Eyes are
> so delicate that it makes me cringe to think of surgery there.
Had a cataract removed--I'll have the other eye done soon, after this
eye is all healed up. It's one of those operations that's gone from
impossible to difficult to practically nothing--I was under general
anesthesia, but sometimes it's done under local anesthesia. Operation
only takes 15 minutes or so, I'm told. Seemed kinda scary to me, but
actually these days it's no big deal, and my vision's improved too.
And the eye heals really fast too. I wore a bandage for 24 hours, then
that came off and I look a little bloodshot.
(Yes, I'm waaaaay too young to have cataracts, but nevertheless, I got
'em. Just thought I needed new lenses, but ophthamologist found this
instead.)
(snip)
> >>Some of the funniest looking men I've known have improved
> >> their look with a pair of glasses. Somehow, they began to 'look'
> >> smart -- which I find appealing.
> >
> >I think it can add class and dignity to a guy, and/or make him look
> >cool. I know that I look lousy w/o glasses--when I wore contacts for
> >awhile, everyone kept telling me how much better I'd looked in
> >glasses. Slightly annoying, given that I had better eyesight
> >w/contacts, but I went back to glasses. So mark me down as somebody
> >who wears glasses just for vanity!
> >
> >Spec-tacularly yours,
> >Neil
>
> Hey, there's no shame in a lil vanity, imho! I remember a couple of guys at
> work thinking that I was vein whenever they'd see me without my glasses. Of
> course I got a little devilish chuckle from that, too. Since, truth be known, I
> would prefer to have my glasses ON
I don't even think of it as vanity--everybody has to see me, so I
might as well make it pleasant for them, I figure. And the glasses are
a constant thing for me, so I try to give the looks a little thought.
If I could change the rest of my looks as easily and cheaply as
changing glasses, I might do more to/for myself.
> (especially since the glasses coordinated eva
> so perfectly with the librarian look OR the power suit OR whatever character I
> was playing that day).
Hmmm... now you've got my imagination going! ;
Seriously, I used to work in libraries myself, so I'd say the
"librarian look" can look pretty good--I dated some co-workers.
I think being like you and being able to not wear the glasses
sometimes is cool--taking them on and off can emphasize things, be a
part of body language, be flirtatious etc.
> I just kept forgotting them at home! So, yep, I wear my
> glasses for a stylish kinda vanity, too.
>
> Don't ya just love life's little ironies? hehe
I envy anybody who can forget their glasses--I can't; just need 'em.
You're lucky!
Neil
> neilk...@hotmail.com (Neil) writes:
>
> > And then there's the 1950's movie cliche, where the woman wears
> > glasses and her hair up, and somehow until she takes off the glasses
> > and lets her hair down, the hero never sees how attractive she is.
>
> I get annoyed at this, or at least the incarnation one finds in
> romantic comedies today: good-looking woman with unconventional
> fashion sense (usually glasses and "plain" hairstyle) falls for guy,
> gets a makeover wherein she puts in contacts, gets her hair done,
> obtains new clothes, and winds up looking like every other
> interchangeable actress in Hollywood. At this point, everybody in the
> movie suddenly finds her to be the most beautiful woman on the planet,
> even though she looked better before.
Part of what annoys me about is that it really doesn't make sense for
the plot and contradicts the "ugly duckling" storyline.
Have you seen the Disney "Beauty and the Beast"? The beauty finally
sees the inner beauty of the beast and falls in love with him, then
near the end his looks suddenly change, he becomes your typical
handsome hunk, and they live happily ever after. Didn't make sense to
me--I think if I fell in love with somebody and their looks changed
dramatically, I'd find that disconcerting and weird. The movie made
too much effort to be all Hollywood and pretty, which undercut the
idea of the beast being beautiful inside. IRL, people don't get to
have it all, and when people get to have it all in a movie, sometimes
it's a little jarring and odd for me.
OK, well enough of me pointing out the lack of realism in a cartoon
movie! ;)
Neil
> Neil wrote:
>
> > I know just what you mean. It's hard for an "ugly duckling" story to
> > be credible when the duckling isn't ugly at all! There's some teen
> > movie with Freddie Prinze Jr. like that--the girl's supposed to be so
> > unattractive and weird, but at least IMHO, she looks fine before the
> > makeover, ditching the glasses etc.
>
> she's all that.
Thanks. Saw it on TV. I confess I didn't pay a lot of attention to it.
Maybe teenagers would rather see pretty people on screen and don't
think about the way the allegedly "unattractive" characters are often
as attractive as the "attractive" characters.
(snip)
> laney, the girl fp jr is chasing, is a little snit, as far as i was
> concerned. she bit off fp jr's head when he asked her out and was
> rude throughout the movie even to her (male) friend jesse.
>
> that dance sequence was just sorta weird.
Sheesh, now I'm kinda curious about the movie--don't remember the
dance sequence at all.
Speaking of teenagers, and movies with teeangers, I was in a big
discussion of "Ghost World" recently. One of the interesting things
about that movie is the way it shows how a teenager with no
self-esteem/confidence (Thora Birch) is really destructive to not only
herself, but also to others. I'd never really thought about it that
way.
Jeff Pack
> Have you seen the Disney "Beauty and the Beast"? The beauty finally
> sees the inner beauty of the beast and falls in love with him, then
> near the end his looks suddenly change, he becomes your typical
> handsome hunk, and they live happily ever after.
So watch "Shrek" instead. It's a better movie, and a great antidote
to the Disney adaptations of fairy tales.
Jeff
Tirzah
>the plot and contradicts the "ugly duckling" storyline.
Great! I've been reduced to a stereotype.
Tiz
Tirzah
>
>Tirzah says...
>
>>My date with Will went fine. I got all worked up over nothing.
>
I always get worked up over nothing. Over _something_ I am completely paralized.
>>He was very mannerly, as always. The conversation revolved around his potential
>>tenure. He's being considered for a full professorship.
>
>Did his voice have animation in it or did he talk in a drone?
He has an excellent speaking voice and is an brilliant lecturer. He does
wonderful and very accurate accents and mimics people well too.
>>He also talked about his divorce, his ex-wife, and her apparent lack of
>>enthusiasm for conjugal athletics.
>
>That means he is horny.
So I gather. Apparently the last year of their marriage was almost sexless. He
inferred that it was largely her fault, but did not go into any of the details.
>>At one point he looked me soulfully and
>>asked if I didn't believe that men and women owed it to themselves to bring
>>pleasure into their lives. I had a mouth full of food so all I could was nod.
>>(Sure!)
>
>Hmmm.......
>I suppose he could've meant his big life change.
I suppose. But I got the feeling that he was trying to elicit an affirmative
response. Of course I agree, within reason. "Pleasure", however, should never
include any activity that involves bodily waste materials.
>>He complimented me on my "new look" and suggested that we should see more of
>>each other, hinting at some vague professional "collaborations" he was working
>>on, & etc.
>
>Is he going to pay you for your time in his professional collaborations?
I receive a departmental stipend. I will also receive credit and recognition in
my field. It's called "kissing ass."
>>"Much Ado About Nothing"
>
>But, what did you wear? :)
>
>~J~
I wore a black, knee length skirt, black tights and boots, and a black
turtleneck sweater. Yes, lots of black! It was a cool, wet, evening. It's either
one of my better colours, or I'm morbid.
I had to go to the make-up counter to find an appropriate and harmonious
lipstick and make-up combination. My skin tone is "Mediterranean", or so Barbie
informed me. So vibrant "pulsating" reds and pinks were definately out of the
question.
Have you ever actually tried to talk to the women working at make-up counters in
department stores? I felt like I was trying to communicate with a cartoon
character, or maybe an exotic tropical bird. Her hysterical enthusiasm was most
distracting. At one point I thought I might have to clobber her back to her
senses.
I settled on a "burnt" something or other.
Tiz
Shawn Pickrell
> Sheesh, now I'm kinda curious about the movie--don't remember
> the dance sequence at all.
at the prom, to the rockefeller skank. (fat boy slim)
> Speaking of teenagers, and movies with teeangers, I was in a big
> discussion of "Ghost World" recently. One of the interesting
> things about that movie is the way it shows how a teenager with
> no self-esteem/confidence (Thora Birch) is really destructive to
> not only herself, but also to others. I'd never really thought
> about it that way.
she has nice ta-tas, as i recall from american beauty.
in any case, self-destructive teenagers generally tend to have
ill effects on the family.
shawn