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That's right! You're all a bunch of posers. All you guys listen to is glam
rock faggots. Get a life. Why do you guys listen to Poison, Warrant,
CC Deville Experience, Crue, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Nelson, Trixter, White Lion,
Great White, Kingofthehill, Winger, Faster Pussycat, Enuff Z'nuff, House of
Lords, Firehouse, Britny Fox, Dangerous Toys, Whitesnake, Quiet Riot, .....
......etc (You know the rest!).
Why don't all you posers listen to REAL metal bands like the Mentors, Type O
Negative, Carnivore, Megadeth, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies, Motorhead,
Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, MOD, SOD, Slayer, Testament, Nocturnus, Mordred,
Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Deep Purple.
I'm gonna make a suggestion to all you posers. Create the following news
groups:
alt.rock-n-roll.posers - for glam rock bands
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.real - for REAL metal bands
alt.rock-n-roll.hard - for bands that are hard rock but not posers
(i.e. Scorpions, Van Halen, Rush, Aerosmith)
alt.rock-n-roll.suaron.is.a.poser - for flame wars against Suaron
Now grant me these newsgroups and I'll leave you posers alone!!!
Maple
Alvin Cura
In alt.rock-n-roll.metal you write:
>That's right! You're all a bunch of posers. All you guys listen to is glam
>rock faggots. Get a life. Why do you guys listen to Poison, Warrant,
>CC Deville Experience, Crue, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Nelson, Trixter, White Lion,
>Great White, Kingofthehill, Winger, Faster Pussycat, Enuff Z'nuff, House of
>Lords, Firehouse, Britny Fox, Dangerous Toys, Whitesnake, Quiet Riot, .....
>......etc (You know the rest!).
>Why don't all you posers listen to REAL metal bands like the Mentors, Type O
>Negative, Carnivore, Megadeth, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies, Motorhead,
>Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, MOD, SOD, Slayer, Testament, Nocturnus, Mordred,
>Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Deep Purple.
Lemme ask you something here, where to you draw the line of poser-hood, eh?
Look, I'm a musician, and I listen to all of the above. Believe it or not,
some of your "poser" guitarists produce some good stuff. I may not like
them personally, and I may not like the band, but I just might still go
out and buy the tape just because I hear some interesting material.
So what if I prefer Suicidal, Megadeth, and the like. I see no reason
not to be open minded.
So what if I never go to a Poison concert, so what if I don't ever go
to a Crue concert, so what if I like to mosh, so what if I like to
go to a show with some balls?
Get a fucking clue. Do you have any idea what music is about? Huh?
Music is expression. Music is an art. Music is *not*, I repeat, is *not*
something by which you judge a person to be a poser or a thrasher, a
nerd or a rebel, a yuppie or a stoner.
You've made it a social criteria. You're the same as the yuppy who thinks
that anyone who listens to thrash is socially decadent. It's people like
you who foster distrust and outright violence. It's people like you who
would go picking on a bunch of people just because of the music they
listen to. Tell me, would you badmouth a bunch of brothers because they
listened to rap?
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PCAT Systems Group thinks he/she is hopelessly stupid and
alv...@rigel.cs.pdx.edu really is hopeless." -- me
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In article <1992Feb18.0...@seas.gwu.edu>, ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple
Moriji) says:
>
>That's right! You're all a bunch of posers. All you guys listen to is glam
>rock faggots. Get a life. Why do you guys listen to Poison, Warrant,
>CC Deville Experience, Crue, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Nelson, Trixter, White
>Lion,
>Maple
......and more of this shit that I erased.....
Ah....so all these guys are homosexuals (or faggots in your Asshole
language). Look...we don't really care if you have this thing against
Homosexuals, and we (or I, not to speak for everyone else) don't
care if you hate Poison. Just don't waste my space with these
stupid posts. Thanx and have a good day.
Doc Holiday
Daniel S. Richman
Who the fuck is this guy to say that I SHOULD listen to Megadeth or SOD
instead of something I truly like?! I am a musician, too, and I know
also that people like this guy are full of shit. Who is he to say what
IS or IS NOT good???
I listen to Ozzy AND Great White. OH, SHOOT ME!!! I'm just a poser,
not good enough to like MOD or Overkill!!!
I am really sick of people who consider themselves gods of music and
say that
if there's an ounce of lipstick on the lead singer or if it's not Death
Metal, it's no good!!!
Most people like this don't know jack shit about music, they only know
that they like to jerk off to pictures of Dave Mustaine. (nothing
against Dave, mind you)
I think that bands like Metallica are great, and I don't think too much
of bands like Slayer, but I don't call them shit for it!!! I
PERSONALLY don't like it, but, hey, more power to you if you do. I
think Maple should stop touching himself and start accepting things.
Just shut the fuck up and if you don't like it, FINE. Don't rip other
people apart because they DO.
TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu
>Who the fuck is this guy to say that I SHOULD listen to Megadeth or SOD
>instead of something I truly like?! I am a musician, too, and I know
>also that people like this guy are full of shit. Who is he to say what
>IS or IS NOT good???
Truthfully I don't care what you listen too. However, this is a *METAL*
newsgroup not a poser newsgroup. Thus it is our mission to cleanse the
impurities from this newsgroup.
>I listen to Ozzy AND Great White. OH, SHOOT ME!!! I'm just a poser,
>not good enough to like MOD or Overkill!!!
Yes! basically you are a lowlife poser. Or to be more elogant; you
are lowlife poseur.
>
>I am really sick of people who consider themselves gods of music and
>say that
>if there's an ounce of lipstick on the lead singer or if it's not Death
>Metal, it's no good!!!
>
First, I don't consider myself a god. I know I am a god. Second why
would anyone wear lipstick (male gender that is). Who's he trying to
look cute for. You! Well maybe your turned on by guy's in lipstick
but we won't discuss that now. Posers don't belong here, period!
Whether they have breast implants or sex changes it doesn't matter.
>Most people like this don't know jack shit about music, they only know
>that they like to jerk off to pictures of Dave Mustaine. (nothing
>against Dave, mind you)
>
You know I just can't stand when Megadeth fans come into my room and
just spoodge all over my Megadeth cd's. I didn't know it was Dave
that did it.
>I think that bands like Metallica are great, and I don't think too much
>of bands like Slayer, but I don't call them shit for it!!! I
>PERSONALLY don't like it, but, hey, more power to you if you do. I
>think Maple should stop touching himself and start accepting things.
>
And just how do you know if Maple touches himself? Hmmmm
>Just shut the fuck up and if you don't like it, FINE. Don't rip other
>people apart because they DO.
(Shred them to tiny little pieces in a demonic sacrifice and eat
their eyeballs. Its far more exciting!)
--It's a long way back from Hell and you don't to go with me
Suaron
Maple Moriji
>In article <1992Feb19.2...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>Daniel.S...@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) says:
>
>>Who the fuck is this guy to say that I SHOULD listen to Megadeth or SOD
>>instead of something I truly like?! I am a musician, too, and I know
>>also that people like this guy are full of shit. Who is he to say what
>>IS or IS NOT good???
>
>Truthfully I don't care what you listen too. However, this is a *METAL*
>newsgroup not a poser newsgroup. Thus it is our mission to cleanse the
>impurities from this newsgroup.
I agree. It is every true metal fan's "mission to cleanse the impurities"
from alt.r-n-r.metal, as Suaron so beautifully illustrates in the quote.
>>I listen to Ozzy AND Great White. OH, SHOOT ME!!! I'm just a poser,
>>not good enough to like MOD or Overkill!!!
>
>Yes! basically you are a lowlife poser. Or to be more elogant; you
>are lowlife poseur.
Yes, anyone who listens to Great White is a poser. Their song
"Once bitten, twice shy" and "Let's call it rock n roll" are almost
identical, except for the chorus. But then again, all they sing about
is fucking. Whether they fuck guys or gals, I don't know.
>>I am really sick of people who consider themselves gods of music and
>>say that
>>if there's an ounce of lipstick on the lead singer or if it's not Death
>>Metal, it's no good!!!
>>
>First, I don't consider myself a god. I know I am a god. Second why
>would anyone wear lipstick (male gender that is). Who's he trying to
>look cute for. You! Well maybe your turned on by guy's in lipstick
>but we won't discuss that now. Posers don't belong here, period!
>Whether they have breast implants or sex changes it doesn't matter.
Once again, Suaron is right. Listen closely folks, to his words of wisdom.
>>Most people like this don't know jack shit about music, they only know
>>that they like to jerk off to pictures of Dave Mustaine. (nothing
>>against Dave, mind you)
>>
>You know I just can't stand when Megadeth fans come into my room and
>just spoodge all over my Megadeth cd's. I didn't know it was Dave
>that did it.
One thing I could never stand is those people who consider themselves
"MUSICIANS," as if THEY are GOD or something. Why don't I just go around
pretending I'm a self-renowned Poet or something? Just because you're
a musician doesn't mean jack shit! I can play the guitar too,
you posers, and probably a lot better than you. I don't just go around
playing those 2 chord progressions like you posers do on Poison songs.
Learn to play REAL metal classics like Black Sabbath, as well as other
speed metal bands' stuff.(BTW, funny joke about people spoodging over
Megadeth, Suaron!:-))
>>I think that bands like Metallica are great, and I don't think too much
>>of bands like Slayer, but I don't call them shit for it!!! I
>>PERSONALLY don't like it, but, hey, more power to you if you do. I
>>think Maple should stop touching himself and start accepting things.
Listen poser, I don't "cream" or "touch my self." I guess you've been
listening to too much Prince and Devinyls lately.
>>Just shut the fuck up and if you don't like it, FINE. Don't rip other
>>people apart because they DO.
NO, I'M NOT GONNA SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU POSER!
C++ ya,
Maple
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| Maple Moriji | If the doors of perception were cleansed |
| ma...@sparko.gwu.edu | every thing would appear to man as it is, |
| George Washington Univeristy | infinite. -- William Blake |
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Alvin Cura
>In article <92050.203...@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Feb19.2...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>>Daniel.S...@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) says:
>>
>I agree. It is every true metal fan's "mission to cleanse the impurities"
>from alt.r-n-r.metal, as Suaron so beautifully illustrates in the quote.
Listen Mr. Closed-Minded Puerile AssKisser. Listen to yourself. You
are advocating conformity. Conformity to your standards. "Do you need
what I need, bounties overthrown... To each his own..."
>>>I listen to Ozzy AND Great White. OH, SHOOT ME!!! I'm just a poser,
>Yes, anyone who listens to Great White is a poser. Their song
>"Once bitten, twice shy" and "Let's call it rock n roll" are almost
>identical, except for the chorus. But then again, all they sing about
>is fucking. Whether they fuck guys or gals, I don't know.
You're full of it. Absolutely full of it. So what if I think the songs
stink? So what if somebody else does? Maybe they dig the drum beat,
maybe they are faggits. Hell, maybe they *are* posers. How would you
know? Ever met 'em? You're generalizing. You're contradicting everything
that metal stands for. Metal stands for expression of ideas. Most of
which is nonconformity. You're encouraging conformity. You've shut your
mind. Get a fucking lobe. Listen to the lyrics. Feel the energy of
the music. Mosh and be moshed. That intensity of emotion, that method
of expression is what music is about. You don't know jack shit about
how whoever listens to what thinks. You don't know jack shit about the
person they are. It's not your place to judge. "Who made you God to
say..." Who made you God to say he or she or they are posers?
Everyone is at liberty to think and feel what they feel, and I think
and feel that you are a great A closed-minded death-monger-poser who
gets off on ripping on other people for no good reason because he
gets off on it.
>One thing I could never stand is those people who consider themselves
>"MUSICIANS," as if THEY are GOD or something. Why don't I just go around
>pretending I'm a self-renowned Poet or something? Just because you're
>a musician doesn't mean jack shit! I can play the guitar too,
>you posers, and probably a lot better than you. I don't just go around
>playing those 2 chord progressions like you posers do on Poison songs.
>Learn to play REAL metal classics like Black Sabbath, as well as other
>speed metal bands' stuff.(BTW, funny joke about people spoodging over
>Megadeth, Suaron!:-))
I can play tunes from all the above. So? And I'll blow you away
in any progression, in any beat, at any speed, in any key. So don't
even... Yes, I'm prejudging you. Real musicians have more brains,
art, and sense than you. Generally speaking. And note the clause.
>NO, I'M NOT GONNA SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU POSER!
Wow. Rebel without a clue.
Maple Moriji
>ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>
>>In article <92050.203...@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>You're contradicting everything
>that metal stands for. Metal stands for expression of ideas. Most of
>which is nonconformity. You're encouraging conformity. You've shut your
>mind. Get a fucking lobe. Listen to the lyrics. Feel the energy of
>the music. Mosh and be moshed. That intensity of emotion, that method
>of expression is what music is about. You don't know jack shit about
>how whoever listens to what thinks. You don't know jack shit about the
>person they are. It's not your place to judge. "Who made you God to
>say..." Who made you God to say he or she or they are posers?
YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD. Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any
Great White song. And yes, metal stands for nonconformity -- that's why
I want all those poser/glam bands that conform to eMpTyV to get out of
this newsgroup.
>So? And I'll blow you away
>in any progression, in any beat, at any speed, in any key. So don't
>even... Yes, I'm prejudging you. Real musicians have more brains,
>art, and sense than you. Generally speaking. And note the clause.
YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
Daniel S. Richman
I think Suaron and Maple need to find better things to do with
themselves than to rid the world of "wrong" music. I am SO glad
someone as intelligent as Suaron or Maple is here to tell us what is
right and what is wrong.
Thanks you all!!! Now I know that any musicians except thrash and
death metal ones are shit and have no talent.
Once again, thank you to BOTH Suaron and Maple for being here to guide
me through my troubling young years and show me what is right for me to
like musically.
Dan
PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
THE SHIT
out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
don't happen
to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
do have
6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
don't you
LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
And once again, "Don't surround yourself with yourself."
Maple Moriji
>Needless to say, I agree with Doc.
>
>me through my troubling young years and show me what is right for me to
>like musically.
> Dan
No no no....Thank YOU!
>PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
>THE SHIT
> out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
>don't happen
> to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
>do have
> 6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
>don't you
> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
I've listened to "Rock Me" and that's just another poser song by
Great White. Guess what that songs about -- SEX! Wow, how did
you know? wink wink.
>And once again, "Don't surround yourself with yourself."
Actually I'm "surrounded by idiots"
James S Murray
>
> All you guys listen to is glam rock faggots.
Get a life. Why do you guys listen to
Have you EVER listen to Trouble, Live in the Heart of the City, Lovehunter,
Ready an' Willing ???? Excellent albums with not one poser in sight.
They are NOT poser albums - late Whitesnake may appear to be crap but
listen to the eary albums - David Coverdale had just left Deep Purple which
you (correctly) describe as a REAL metal band (see below)
>Why don't all you posers listen to REAL metal bands like the Mentors, Type O
>Negative, Carnivore, Megadeth, Anthrax, Suicidal Tendencies, Motorhead,
>Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, MOD, SOD, Slayer, Testament, Nocturnus, Mordred,
>Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Deep Purple.
>
>I'm gonna make a suggestion to all you posers......
My suggestion:
Read the titles more loosely
a.r-n-r.metal metal bands INCLUDING so called posers
a.r-n-r.metal.heavy As it says - heavy stuff (no 'posers')
alt.thrash Thrash / speed etc. (no 'posers')
We DO NOT need new newsgroups - we don't deserve ANY newsgroups with the
amount of shite that we post at present.
BTW I do not listen to 'poser' groups but their fans have as much right to use
a.r-n-r.metal as others.
Thank god for the kill file /:TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu/h:j
It saves so much crap.
Be tolerant.......
jsm
sl...@cc.usu.edu
>>PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
>>THE SHIT
>> out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
>>don't happen
>> to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
>>do have
>> 6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
>>don't you
>> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
>
> I've listened to "Rock Me" and that's just another poser song by
> Great White. Guess what that songs about -- SEX! Wow, how did
> you know? wink wink.
Lyrics (however lame they may be) have *nothing* to do with
music, or musical ability.
>
>>And once again, "Don't surround yourself with yourself."
>
> Actually I'm "surrounded by idiots"
I think you just made his point.
Actually, if you recognised where Dan's quote came from, you
wouldn't be whining about pointless lyrics outside of ``true''
metal.
tHOM b
> C++ ya,
>
> Maple
>
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> | Maple Moriji | If the doors of perception were cleansed |
> | ma...@sparko.gwu.edu | every thing would appear to man as it is, |
> | George Washington Univeristy | infinite. -- William Blake |
> -------------------------------------------------------------/
--
Alan M. Polansky
Really good analysis dude!
===/| |\/| |\=== " A thirst for the Hun, we were food for the gun,
==/-| | | |/=== And that's what you are when your soldiers "
=/ | | | |==== - Lemmy Kilmister "Motorhead - 1916"
Maple Moriji
>
>>> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
>>
>> I've listened to "Rock Me" and that's just another poser song by
>
> He didn't say listen to ``Rock Me'', did he?
So what?!?! I heard "Rock Me" from their previous albums before
they "made it big." I haven't heard of their other "classics" like
"shot in the dark" and "on your knees," so that song was the best
example I could give to prove to you posers that they always sucked --
and will suck till the end of time.
>> Great White. Guess what that songs about -- SEX! Wow, how did
>> you know? wink wink.
>
> Lyrics (however lame they may be) have *nothing* to do with
> music, or musical ability.
Intelligent lyrics have EVERYTHING to do with music. How many glam/poser
concerts have you been to where all they focus on is playing music and
not the vocals?? The answer is none. None of 'em can play real music!
They always need some catchy chorus like "Rock Me" or "Let's call it
rock n roll." On the otherhand, bands like Megadeth and Anthrax both
have great intelligent lyrics, dealing with war, suffering, racism,
and other topics that are of great concern today.
>>>And once again, "Don't surround yourself with yourself."
>>
>> Actually I'm "surrounded by idiots"
>
> I think you just made his point.
>
> Actually, if you recognised where Dan's quote came from, you
> wouldn't be whining about pointless lyrics outside of ``true''
> metal.
>
> tHOM b
You make "think" that I made his point, but I KNOW I made my point, poser.
C++ ya,
Maple
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| Maple Moriji | If the doors of perception were cleansed |
| ma...@sparko.gwu.edu | every thing would appear to man as it is, |
| George Washington Univeristy | infinite. -- William Blake |
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Kevin J. Feury
Daniel.S...@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) writes:
> PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
> THE SHIT
> out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
> don't happen
> to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
> do have
> 6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
> don't you
> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
ok, so what groups have you heard?
try comparing him to:
eric peterson or alex skolnick (testament),
rick hunolt or gary holt (exodus)
andreas kisser (sepultura)
kerry king or dave hanneman (slayer)
marty friedman (megadeth)
kirk hammet (need i say the band):"master of puppets" or "ride the
lightning"
and these are some of the more popular, well known ones...off the top
of my head.
course, i could include yngwie malmsteen, though his last albums are
progressively lighter, but take a listen to 'icarus' dream suite',
'far beyond the sun' or 'trilogy suite'
i went over to the college radio station and listened to some of the
older stuff by great white....i still think they're posers. i still
think they have some obsession with writing/singing about sex. and
their guitarist is certainly not one of the best. not by a long shot.
-kev.
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Maple Moriji
>In article <1992Feb20.1...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
>Daniel.S...@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) writes:
>
>> PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
>> THE SHIT
>> out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
>> don't happen
>> to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
>> do have
>> 6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
>> don't you
>> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
>
>ok, so what groups have you heard?
>
>try comparing him to:
>eric peterson or alex skolnick (testament),
>rick hunolt or gary holt (exodus)
>andreas kisser (sepultura)
>kerry king or dave hanneman (slayer)
>marty friedman (megadeth)
>kirk hammet (need i say the band):"master of puppets" or "ride the
>lightning"
Don't forget about Sickie Wifebeater of the Mentors.
>i went over to the college radio station and listened to some of the
>older stuff by great white....i still think they're posers. i still
>think they have some obsession with writing/singing about sex. and
>their guitarist is certainly not one of the best. not by a long shot.
>
>-kev.
You are correct kev. They are posers without any doubt.
Just remember this: "Once a poser, always a poser"
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb20.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>>> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
>>>
>>> I've listened to "Rock Me" and that's just another poser song by
>>
>> He didn't say listen to ``Rock Me'', did he?
>
> So what?!?! I heard "Rock Me" from their previous albums before
> they "made it big." I haven't heard of their other "classics" like
> "shot in the dark" and "on your knees," so that song was the best
> example I could give to prove to you posers that they always sucked --
> and will suck till the end of time.
I haven't heard the others either, I don't particularly like
Great White, and I don't by any means consider them metal.
Surprised?
>
>>> Great White. Guess what that songs about -- SEX! Wow, how did
>>> you know? wink wink.
>>
>> Lyrics (however lame they may be) have *nothing* to do with
>> music, or musical ability.
>
> Intelligent lyrics have EVERYTHING to do with music. How many glam/poser
> concerts have you been to where all they focus on is playing music and
> not the vocals?? The answer is none. None of 'em can play real music!
Depends on how you define ``glam/poser.'' I do know that I have
seen jazz concerts that blow away any metal shows musically, and
I *have* seen the bands you mention below.
> They always need some catchy chorus like "Rock Me" or "Let's call it
> rock n roll." On the otherhand, bands like Megadeth and Anthrax both
> have great intelligent lyrics, dealing with war, suffering, racism,
> and other topics that are of great concern today.
I repeat: Lyrics have Nothing to do with music. What about bands
who do instrumentals? Do they have nothing to offer the listener?
There are plenty of bands with intelligent lyrics and the odd
``catchy chorus''(Rush comes to mind...) and there are plenty of
bands that talk about war, suffering, racism, and other topics that
are of great concern, but they don't need to use it as their selling
point, because they are musicians, not politicians.
>
>>>>And once again, "Don't surround yourself with yourself."
>>>
>>> Actually I'm "surrounded by idiots"
>>
>> I think you just made his point.
>>
>> Actually, if you recognised where Dan's quote came from, you
>> wouldn't be whining about pointless lyrics outside of ``true''
>> metal.
>
> You make "think" that I made his point, but I KNOW I made my point, poser.
>
Yep, you don't know where that quote comes from. BTW, you can call
me ``poser'' if you feel that primitive urge, but the closest thing
you'll find in my record collection to these ``glam bands'' you fear
so desperatly is Ozzy Osbourne.
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <48...@pdxgate.UUCP> alv...@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Alvin Cura) writes:
>>ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>>
>>>In article <92050.203...@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>You're contradicting everything
>>that metal stands for. Metal stands for expression of ideas. Most of
>>which is nonconformity. You're encouraging conformity. You've shut your
>>mind.
> YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
> YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD. Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any
You cannot mosh to Metallica, either. Too many time changes.
Actually, you cannot *seriously* mosh to any music that you
can sit down and listen to otherwise, IMHO. You want violence,
friend? Try early Swans or The Fall.
> Great White song. And yes, metal stands for nonconformity -- that's why
> I want all those poser/glam bands that conform to eMpTyV to get out of
> this newsgroup.
Metal does not teach nonconformity. It teaches anticonformity. When
you change the music you listen to out of fear of being called a
``poser'', you are conforming. The difference is that pop music
pedalers are honest about their motives. The people who promote
``alternative'' music are cruelly using the youth of this country
like there's no tomorrow.
>
> YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
> WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
You say in another post that you have heard a Great White song.
Too bad you'll never be a musician now.
QUIT WHINING!!
tHOM b
Jeremy Lyn Hart
> In article <48...@pdxgate.UUCP> alv...@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Alvin Cura) writes:
> >ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
> >
> >>In article <92050.203...@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >You're contradicting everything
> >that metal stands for. Metal stands for expression of ideas. Most of
> >which is nonconformity. You're encouraging conformity. You've shut your
> >mind. Get a fucking lobe. Listen to the lyrics. Feel the energy of
> >the music. Mosh and be moshed. That intensity of emotion, that method
> >of expression is what music is about. You don't know jack shit about
> >how whoever listens to what thinks. You don't know jack shit about the
> >person they are. It's not your place to judge. "Who made you God to
> >say..." Who made you God to say he or she or they are posers?
>
> YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
> YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD.
Really? Have you ever tried? I'd like to see you tell that to the crew
here who like to mosh to R.E.M.....
You can mosh to ANYTHING. It's all in the attitude and energy.
(and actually, to respond to another poster, you CAN mosh to Metallica.
I did it for just about three straight hours during their latest concert. ;^>)
> Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any Great White song.
Okay, that's your opinion. But does the fact that something has "intensity
of emotion" make a certain song metal? I think not. The most emotion-filled
song I've heard in the a couple of weeks was from a PLAY, "Chess." Metal?
Not (though he DID get up there into the Sebastian Bach/Rob Halford scream
at the end - but hey, according to you and Suaron, I guess they're posers
too...*sigh*).
> And yes, metal stands for nonconformity -- that's why
> I want all those poser/glam bands that conform to eMpTyV to get out of
> this newsgroup.
>
What's conformity? Look, everybody's got there own taste. Actually,
I believe I've heard Nirvana attacked more than any other group -
did *THEY* conform? Huh. Yeah, right. They may not be as "underground"
as they were, but they're NOT conformists. And gee, they're popular!
Guess that's enough for your neat little "POSER" sticker, huh?
> >So? And I'll blow you away
> >in any progression, in any beat, at any speed, in any key. So don't
> >even... Yes, I'm prejudging you. Real musicians have more brains,
> >art, and sense than you. Generally speaking. And note the clause.
>
> YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
> WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
>
*This* is just plain stupid. What the fuck does it MATTER what you
listen to?!? Metallica listens to Simon and Garfunkel, Trey Azathoth
(sp?) listens to classical music - it DOES NOT matter. Period.
I'm not a good guitarist, and I don't claim to be (and Alvin, that
probably wasn't a good thing to say), but what I listen to doesn't
influence what I play all that much. I listen to everything from
Nuclear Assault to Phil Collins to (yes, cover your ears...) Trixter.
But I've found that my music, while it DOES incorporate a bit of all,
is my own style (though it tends to be "thrashy," on the whole).
Don't judge people by a stereotype. Just because there's been a wave
of so-called "poser" bands emulating Great White and the whole
"blues-rock resurgence" thing doesn't mean that anybody who listens
to it can't play. Get a life, please.
Later.
--
Jeremy L. Hart jer...@owlnet.rice.edu
"I close my eyes and walk a thousand years/A thousand year's that aren't mine
It seems he's near me as I walk/One who loved what love denied..."
- "Room A Thousand Years Wide" by Soundgarden
Maple Moriji
>
>> YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
>> YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD. Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any
>
> You cannot mosh to Metallica, either. Too many time changes.
> Actually, you cannot *seriously* mosh to any music that you
> can sit down and listen to otherwise, IMHO. You want violence,
> friend? Try early Swans or The Fall.
I know! I hate Metallica -- their And Justice For All album is full
of stupid stuff(sudden changes, lame lyrics). And the new
Metallica album is the worst, filled with glam rock style balads.
>> YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
>> WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
>
> You say in another post that you have heard a Great White song.
> Too bad you'll never be a musician now.
Yeah I know, but I can be a vocalist, since you don't need to be a
musician to be qualified as one(according to your definition).
> QUIT WHINING!!
>
> tHOM b
QUIT POSTING TO ALT.R-N-R.METAL, YOU POSER
"You can't bring me down!" - Suicidal
Maple Moriji
>Since war,
>suffering, and racism are of great concern today, maybe
>I could convince Warrant, Firehouse, et al. to come out
>with a song about AIDS or date rape or wife abuse or
>some shit like that - then would they lose the poser
>status?
Nice try, but that won't work. BECAUSE no one will take their message
seriously...they will still shake their asses and show some stupid bitch
dressed in just about nothing throughout their videos.
>Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
>throats. You have made your fucking point about five
>times already.
No, I believe it's more than 5 actually.
>Once is enough.
Once is not enough. I must be harsh on you posers....You must be cured!
>Since lyrics mean
>EVERYTHING to REAL music, I guess any Satriani, Jeff Beck,
>or Steve Vai album isn't real music. Hmmm, what
>would you call their stuff? Not music? Sure. Get
>a clue, dude. Oh...but maybe they aren't posers, so
>they don't count, right?
Vai, Satriani, and Jeff Beck are NOT posers. They just don't belong in
this newsgroup.
Alvin Cura
>YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
>YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD. Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any
>Great White song. And yes, metal stands for nonconformity -- that's why
>I want all those poser/glam bands that conform to eMpTyV to get out of
>this newsgroup.
You can mosh to most any beat that you feel in your veins. It's a matter
of energy and attitude. The mosh pit at Suicidal's last concert in my area
was one huge sweating moving mass of energy.
Now, I may not mosh to Great White. Hell, I don't even listen to Great
White. But others do. And others see something in it. I don't know
what they see, but I won't prejudge them, or close my mind on them, or
ram my views down their throats.
You, on the other hand, are as much a poser as any I've met. You hide
behind you're arrogance. You flaunt your closed-mindedness. You are as
obviously perturbed as any juvenile who thinks that his thing is *the*
thing to do, so he figures he's hot shit because of it.
You, yes YOU are the poser here. You are ramming your bullshit down everyones
net bandwith with you're crap. You are acting something you are not. And
you are *not* the judge. You're a deathmonger judge-poser.
>YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
>WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
And here, you are just plain stupid. If I did listen to Great White,
that wouldn't make my fingers any slower, or my mind any less musically
inclined.
So fuck off, poser.
LPR...@psuvm.psu.edu
(Jeremy Lyn Hart) says:
>
>I'd like to see you tell that to the crew
>here who like to mosh to R.E.M.....
>
It's morally WRONG for one man to listen to crap like REM and good stuff
like Metallica. You are violating sacred laws of reasoning. Get back into
the closet, you perverted monster. Freak of Nature.
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Maple Moriji
>ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>
>of energy and attitude. The mosh pit at Suicidal's last concert in my area
>was one huge sweating moving mass of energy.
I like Suicidal too....they are not posers.
>You, on the other hand, are as much a poser as any I've met. You hide
>behind you're arrogance. You flaunt your closed-mindedness. You are as
>obviously perturbed as any juvenile who thinks that his thing is *the*
>thing to do, so he figures he's hot shit because of it.
>
>You, yes YOU are the poser here. You are ramming your bullshit down everyones
>net bandwith with you're crap. You are acting something you are not. And
>you are *not* the judge. You're a deathmonger judge-poser.
I've always wanted to be a "deathmonger judge-poser." I like that name...
it has a ring to it.
>>YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
>>WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
>
>If I did listen to Great White,
>that wouldn't make my fingers any slower, or my mind any less musically
>inclined.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK. DID YOU ACTUALLY THINK I WAS SERIOUS???
>So fuck off, poser.>
FUCK YOU TOO.
Eric Thomas Brown
contains lyrics. Nothing turns me away from a band faster than stupid
lyrics, and Great White is at the top of my list in that category (except
for that ridiculous song "I Do You", by whoever...).
Eric Brown
er...@cs.utexas.edu
Tim Messick
...that's minus points right there....
>
>I think Suaron and Maple need to find better things to do with
>themselves than to rid the world of "wrong" music. I am SO glad
>someone as intelligent as Suaron or Maple is here to tell us what is
>right and what is wrong.
Dude, clue up. They don't want to rid the world of anything; they (and MANY of
us that don't throw it in your face, like they do) just want people to take
note of the word "METAL" in the newsgroup title. I've never flamed a poser...
except when they start 'coppin the attitude, and thinking their little glam
world is just oh-so-cool because 6,#$!,?$&,000 people bought the new whoever.
Look at my .sig, dude. It's from an acoustic song, and a beautiful one at
that. It has musicality that can WORK any of your glam-ballads. I don't
go off to everyone about it here, though, because I wouldn't call it METAL,
even though MOST of the stuff from that band is MUCH more powerful (and
heavier) than most poser bands. I even used to like a few poser bands.
I also like Boston and Triumph. Do I go off about them here? No, because
I have a CLUE. You're posting to a METAL newsgroup about NON-metal music,
and wondering why people are getting sick of it. Come on...it's not that
hard to figure out.
>
>Thanks you all!!! Now I know that any musicians except thrash and
>death metal ones are shit and have no talent.
Get off it...
>Once again, thank you to BOTH Suaron and Maple for being here to guide
>me through my troubling young years and show me what is right for me to
>like musically.
Like whatever you want. Just use your head and realize that this is a METAL
newsgroup. It doesn't bother me when Doc posts about "I Love You", because
at least that's concise and informative to those who want the info; what's
REALLY annoying is you guys and your "dont-rag-on-us-even-though-we're-lost
in-a-metal-newsgroup" attitude.
What's also annoying is this whole F*%#ing debate; this is even worse than
seeing all the non-metal stuff.....(but alas...I fell pray and had to join
in...)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>PS: Oh yeah, just for the record--Mark Kendall of Great White beats
>THE SHIT
> out of ANY thrash or death metal guitarists that I've heard. I
>don't happen
> to like "Call it Rock and Roll" or most of the new stuff, but they
>do have
> 6 other albums out besides "Hooked." Before saying it sucks, why
>don't you
> LISTEN to "Shot in the Dark" or "On Your Knees."???!!
Ummmm....well, who have you heard? Either nobody, or your idea of beating
the shit out of someone is very twisted. Do you mean musically? NOT.
In no way. Power? Not. Theory? Not. Speed? Not. Image? Probably.
Note, I'm not ragging on Mark Kendall; I don't get into too much of his
stuff, but he DID strike me as good. (I do play the guitar, if that matters...)
However, many guitarists are out there who could walk on him. Not because he
sucks, just because they're damn good. Want a few names?
Joe Satriani (who a lot of people think is overrated, because he doesn't show
off constantly, but he IS one of the best...).
For progressions, and lead voicings over them, Frank Aresti and Jim Matheos
(of Fates Warning) were incredible, except on their latest stuff they're a
bit watered down...
Many people will disagree with this, but I think Kirk Hammett is (...well,
was...) great. He can shape any scale into an incredibly smooth solo, and
can play as fast any anything...or as slow as need be. (Note that speed alone
doesn't really mean anything; otherwise I'd be mentioning King/Hannemann, 'cuz
they're hideously fast...but a bitt on the anarchy side, though I like the
way it fits with their music)
I don't listen to much Testament, but Alex has (had?!) my respect as a
guitarist...
Of course, I'm leaving out the rhythmic ingenuity of Hetfield, the versatility
of Dave Mustaine (even though he is a DICK), and I doubt that Mark Kendall
would want to be compared with Marty Friedman....and others....
If you want some rock (not metal) bands, try Nuno; he's probably the best
rock guitarist out right now. George Lynch is also very good, though he's
wasting himself with Lynch Mob. (And please...if anyone mentions
SLASH, they should be SHOT. He doesn't SUCK, but come ON, he's not that
big of a deal...)
...so, I think that you should not jump up and scream about something you
don't know much about. (i.e. metal OR guitar)
...now what was that about not surrounding yourself with yourself...?
--
I walk through a garden, in the morning. Tim Messick
I walked right into a change. mes...@seas.ucla.edu
No words were spoken, just a feeling.
I cannot explain......but I can feel the difference.
Tim Messick
>Don't forget about Sickie Wifebeater of the Mentors.
Go easy with the Mentors thing, Maple, or someone's going to take you
seriously...
Tim Messick
)glam/poser
)> concerts have you been to where all they focus on is playing music and
)> not the vocals?? The answer is none. None of 'em can play real music!
)
)Please, can you define what real music is? Is real music
)that which only deals with war, suffering, and racism?
No, he was just pointing out that there's more to life that telling the world
who your drummer fucked last night.
>Real music means no keyboards and makeup? Anything
>depressing MUST mean it's real music. Since war,
>suffering, and racism are of great concern today, maybe
>I could convince Warrant, Firehouse, et al. to come out
>with a song about AIDS or date rape or wife abuse or
>some shit like that - then would they lose the poser
>status?
Lose the wanna-be cynical attitude. Stop incinuating and start thinking.
The guy you're responding to is Suaron Jr; he says (usually...) the truth,
but in a way to bait folks like you. Not only did you take it, but your
response is ridiculous.
>Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
>throats.
...and post to a group designed for what you like, don't force it down another
group's throat...
> You have made your fucking point about five
>times already. Once is enough. Since lyrics mean
>EVERYTHING to REAL music, I guess any Satriani, Jeff Beck,
>or Steve Vai album isn't real music. Hmmm, what
>would you call their stuff? Not music? Sure. Get
>a clue, dude. Oh...but maybe they aren't posers, so
>they don't count, right?
>
>Chris
>gi...@wam.umd.edu
Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument. Take
the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always mean
nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of your
Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics, you
usually end up with some permutation of "Louie, Louie". Given the "progression"
and flow of the song is paper-thin, pop artists rely on their vocalists to
carry them through. Sometimes it works (Mariah isn't my style, but you can't
deny she has an excellent voice)...and sometimes, when the singer is flat
and the lyrics are meaningless (Hint: most poser bands). You speak of
instrumentals. So, where are the instrumentals from poser bands that
live up to "S.E.K", "Orion", "Thirty Seconds", "Last Rites", "Into the Lungs
of Hell", "Innocence", "The Call of Ktulu"....etc...
You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers and
actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a little
too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
Tim Messick
...and the winner is....
...no, sorry, Suaron.....
...no, sorry Doc....
...no, not even maple....
....ALVIN!!
Who the F%&@ is this guy?? At least Suaron and Maple have some sort of
substance.
And worse...this guy's serious....
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb20.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Feb20.1...@seas.gwu.edu>, ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>>
>>> YOU CANNOT MOSH TO GREAT WHITE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE EVEN IF
>>> YOU ASSUMED YOU COULD. Also, there is no "intensity of emotion" in any
>>
>> You cannot mosh to Metallica, either. Too many time changes.
>> Actually, you cannot *seriously* mosh to any music that you
>> can sit down and listen to otherwise, IMHO. You want violence,
>> friend? Try early Swans or The Fall.
>
> I know! I hate Metallica -- their And Justice For All album is full
No you don't. Name one Fall album.
> of stupid stuff(sudden changes, lame lyrics). And the new
> Metallica album is the worst, filled with glam rock style balads.
I'm afraid I've never heard of `balads'. What are they?
>
>>> YOU CANNOT PLAY GOOD MUSIC IF YOU LISTEN TO GREAT WHITE, NO MATTER
>>> WHAT YOU SAY YOU CAN DO.
>>
>> You say in another post that you have heard a Great White song.
>> Too bad you'll never be a musician now.
>
> Yeah I know, but I can be a vocalist, since you don't need to be a
> musician to be qualified as one(according to your definition).
To be a ``vocalist''? No, you don't. Witness Jello Biafra.
To be a singer, yes you do. Witness Placido Domingo. Of course,
he's probably a poser too, right? I mean, if you can't mosh
to Great White, then you certainly can't mosh to Mozart. In fact,
by your definition that means Mozart is not ``real'' music.
Hmmmmm........
> C++ ya,
>
> Maple
Don't you think it's kinda funny that someone who is so dead-set
against ``posers'' uses such a cornball salutation?
tHOM b
>
sl...@cc.usu.edu
It's interesting hoe Maple never has the
guts to refute anything with truth in it,
like this article, or earlier comments on
the illusion of metal's nonconformity.
tHOM b
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb21.0...@wam.umd.edu> gi...@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing) writes:
>>Real music means no keyboards and makeup? Anything
>>depressing MUST mean it's real music. Since war,
>>suffering, and racism are of great concern today, maybe
>>I could convince Warrant, Firehouse, et al. to come out
>>with a song about AIDS or date rape or wife abuse or
>>some shit like that - then would they lose the poser
>>status?
>
> Lose the wanna-be cynical attitude. Stop incinuating and start thinking.
> The guy you're responding to is Suaron Jr; he says (usually...) the truth,
> but in a way to bait folks like you. Not only did you take it, but your
> response is ridiculous.
It's really easy after you've gotten a rise out of someone
to sit back and be smug about it, but I think the guy is just
making it up as he goes along.
As the saying goes, ``ask a stupid question...''
>
>
>>Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
>>throats.
>
> ...and post to a group designed for what you like, don't force it down another
> group's throat...
...and since that is impossible, ignore the stuff that you don't
like and learn how to live in a heterogenous environment. You
people like to make so much noise about ``nonconformity''...
>
> Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument. Take
> the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always mean
> nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of your
> Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics, you
> usually end up with some permutation of "Louie, Louie". Given the "progres
> and flow of the song is paper-thin, pop artists rely on their vocalists to
> carry them through. Sometimes it works (Mariah isn't my style, but you can't
> deny she has an excellent voice)...and sometimes, when the singer is flat
> and the lyrics are meaningless (Hint: most poser bands). You speak of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Name names, friend.
``Suaron Jr'' didn't say that stupid lyics make up a stupid
song. That is too often the case. What he said is that the
lyrical content is reflective of the band's ability to play
music. Huh? That's nonsense.
> instrumentals. So, where are the instrumentals from poser bands that
> live up to "S.E.K", "Orion", "Thirty Seconds", "Last Rites", "Into the Lungs
> of Hell", "Innocence", "The Call of Ktulu"....etc...
``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
``Escape'' Vince DiCola
``YYZ'' Rush
``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
I could go on...and don't tell me about these songs not being
``intense'' enough, or that the above artists are not metal.
I know that this is a metal newsgroup, and I would never introduce
a thread to it that wasn't metal-related, but I've got a secret
for you--intensity and energy have nothing to do with musical
talent. They are great assets, to be sure, but there are other
ways of judging a group's merit.
>
> You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers and
> actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a little
> too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
>
That's just a wee bit cryptic of you. Everyone needs to stop
flaming mindlessly and start discussing intelligently. That's
what the net is for.
tHOM b
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb21.0...@rice.edu>, jer...@screech.owlnet.rice.edu
> (Jeremy Lyn Hart) says:
>>
>>I'd like to see you tell that to the crew
>>here who like to mosh to R.E.M.....
>>
>>(and actually, to respond to another poster, you CAN mosh to Metallica.
>
really set your heart to it. What I should have said is
that _I_ can't mosh to Metallica, or more specifically that
I don't feel comfortable moshing to Metallica. In my mind, there
is music that you listen to for it's own sake, and then there
is music that you slam to. The line gets blurry sometimes, but
I have trouble slamming when I could be watching musicians make
music. That's why I like grops like latter-day Ministry. Moshing
is their whole point.
tHOM b
Maple Moriji
Maple Moriji
"net money" I wasted on that post.
In article <60...@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> mes...@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick) writes:
>In article <1992Feb20.1...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Daniel.S...@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) writes:
>Look at my .sig, dude. It's from an acoustic song, and a beautiful one at
>that. It has musicality that can WORK any of your glam-ballads. I don't
>go off to everyone about it here, though, because I wouldn't call it METAL,
>even though MOST of the stuff from that band is MUCH more powerful (and
>heavier) than most poser bands. I even used to like a few poser bands.
>I also like Boston and Triumph. Do I go off about them here? No, because
>I have a CLUE. You're posting to a METAL newsgroup about NON-metal music,
>and wondering why people are getting sick of it. Come on...it's not that
>hard to figure out.
I agree. Look at my sig -- it's a William Blake quote used by Jim Morrison
of the Doors(that's why they're called the Doors). You don't see me post
stuff about the Doors on alt.rock-n-roll.metal do you? When I do want to
post something about the Doors I go to alt.rock-n-roll. Why can't you
REM, Dire Straights, INXS, and Queen fans do the same thing?
C++ ya,
Maple
Maple Moriji
>In article <60...@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mes...@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick) writes:
>> In article <1992Feb21.0...@wam.umd.edu> gi...@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing) writes:
>>
>> Lose the wanna-be cynical attitude. Stop incinuating and start thinking.
>> The guy you're responding to is Suaron Jr; he says (usually...) the truth,
>> but in a way to bait folks like you. Not only did you take it, but your
>> response is ridiculous.
>
> It's really easy after you've gotten a rise out of someone
> to sit back and be smug about it, but I think the guy is just
> making it up as he goes along.
> As the saying goes, ``ask a stupid question...''
LEAVE HIM ALONE POSER. HE'S ON MY SIDE. IF YOU WANT TO PICK ON SOMEONE,
PICK ON ME YOU POSER.
>> Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument. Take
>> the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always mean
>> nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of your
>> Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics, you
>> usually end up with some permutation of "Louie, Louie". Given the "progres
>> and flow of the song is paper-thin, pop artists rely on their vocalists to
>> carry them through. Sometimes it works (Mariah isn't my style, but you can't
>> deny she has an excellent voice)...and sometimes, when the singer is flat
>> and the lyrics are meaningless (Hint: most poser bands). You speak of
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Name names, friend.
I'll name you names poser. Great White, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue,
CC Deville Experience, Vince Neil Band, Poison, Bon Jovi, ..etc.
Do you get the picture now?
> ``Suaron Jr'' didn't say that stupid lyics make up a stupid
> song. That is too often the case. What he said is that the
> lyrical content is reflective of the band's ability to play
> music. Huh? That's nonsense.
Well, none the less I DO believe that stupid lyrics make a stupid song.
AND NO, THAT IS NOT NONSENSE YOU POSER
> ``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
> ``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
> ``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
> ``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
> ``Escape'' Vince DiCola
> ``YYZ'' Rush
> ``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
THESE BANDS ARE NOT METAL
>> You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers and
>> actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a little
>> too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
>>
> That's just a wee bit cryptic of you. Everyone needs to stop
> flaming mindlessly and start discussing intelligently. That's
> what the net is for.
>
> tHOM b
WRONG!!!
YOU POSER
Jeremy Lyn Hart
> In article <60...@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mes...@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick) writes:
> > instrumentals. So, where are the instrumentals from poser bands that
> > live up to "S.E.K", "Orion", "Thirty Seconds", "Last Rites", "Into the Lungs
> > of Hell", "Innocence", "The Call of Ktulu"....etc...
>
> ``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
> ``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
> ``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
> ``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
> ``Escape'' Vince DiCola
> ``YYZ'' Rush
> ``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
Good point...but anybody know of any other cool metal instrumentals?
Lemme see if I can think up a few of my favorites...
Anthrax - "Intro to Reality," "13," and "Pipeline" (a metal band does
a "surfer" song - HILARIOUS!!!)
Metallica - "Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)"
Nuclear Assault - "Funky Noise"
Anybody got more?
Cousin It
>I know! I hate Metallica -- their And Justice For All album is full
>of stupid stuff(sudden changes, lame lyrics). And the new
>Metallica album is the worst, filled with glam rock style balads.
Watch out all. We can't even post about one of the greatest
influences of Metal today, Metallica. Well, Maple and Suaron are the
rulers you know, we most follow their rules.
>"You can't bring me down!" - Suicidal
WAIT A MINUTE. Suicidal Tendencies??? Weren't they the band
that did the Ballad "How Will I laugh Tomorrow"? Oh, and how soon we
forget the song "Alone". And, lest we forget, they pandered to the
masses with the single and video "Send Me Your Money". Hell, I heard
that song on a poser station up in Boston. And, they even showed it on
MTV at regular hours. Sorry, They are posers. You can not post about
them, or even their lyrics. Sorry.
>C++ ya,
Pascal Ya,
>Maple
>| George Washington Univeristy | infinite. -- William Blake |
^^^^^^^^^^
Hey Maple, do you know how to spell?
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| Cousin It | "Just 'cause you don't like it |
| c...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu | doesn't mean it's no good" |
| st90...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu | -Suicidal Tendencies |
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PS: I realize most of you are realized this, but for those idiots who
didn't, I'll give you the humor impaired disclaimer.
Disclaimer: This post was satire you idiots.
Maple Moriji
Eric, I think you are referring to a poser glam band called Kingofthehill.
Whoever thinks that good lyrics have nothing to do with a good song, think
again. Guess what "I Do You" is about...you won't guess it right this time!
NOT
Maple Moriji
: Yes folks, I think we have it.....a new King Idiot on a.rnr.m
:
: ...and the winner is....
:
: ...no, sorry, Suaron.....
:
:
:
: ...no, sorry Doc....
:
:
: ...no, not even maple....
:
:
: ....ALVIN!!
:
: Who the F%&@ is this guy?? At least Suaron and Maple have some sort of
: substance.
:
: And worse...this guy's serious....
Yeah, I remember that guy. It's that Musician God. What a poser.
I wonder what he thinks about my masterpiece("Poser Poem"). Wherever he
is, I'd like to say one thing to Alvin -- "FUCK OFF YOU POSER!"
I can't stand those wanna-be muscian types. Maybe if Alvin's lucky he can
get to play rhythm guitar in the Vince Neil Band, side to side with
CC Deville himself!
C++ ya
Maple
: --
: I walk through a garden, in the morning. Tim Messick
: I walked right into a change. mes...@seas.ucla.edu
: No words were spoken, just a feeling.
: I cannot explain......but I can feel the difference.
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Maple Moriji
: ma...@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
:
: >I know! I hate Metallica -- their And Justice For All album is full
: >of stupid stuff(sudden changes, lame lyrics). And the new
: >Metallica album is the worst, filled with glam rock style balads.
:
: Watch out all. We can't even post about one of the greatest
: influences of Metal today, Metallica. Well, Maple and Suaron are the
: rulers you know, we most follow their rules.
Metallica used to be good from Kill 'em All to Garage Days, but after that
they became posers. They decided to make money instead of making music.
Thus, they have become posers.
: >"You can't bring me down!" - Suicidal
:
: WAIT A MINUTE. Suicidal Tendencies??? Weren't they the band
: that did the Ballad "How Will I laugh Tomorrow"? Oh, and how soon we
: forget the song "Alone". And, lest we forget, they pandered to the
: masses with the single and video "Send Me Your Money". Hell, I heard
: that song on a poser station up in Boston. And, they even showed it on
: MTV at regular hours. Sorry, They are posers. You can not post about
: them, or even their lyrics. Sorry.
Although "How will I laugh" is a balad, it's a metal balad. Just like
"In My Darkest Hour" "Armed and Dangerous" "Seasons in the Abyss".
But they are still metal! There is still the power
and energy in their music, not some wimpy chorus like "I'll never let
you go."
: >C++ ya,
:
: Pascal Ya,
Pascal sucks. You can't do jack shit in it.
: >Maple
:
: >| George Washington Univeristy | infinite. -- William Blake |
: ^^^^^^^^^^
:
: Hey Maple, do you know how to spell?
Thanx for pointing out a mispelling, you poser!
C++ ya,
Maple
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| Maple Moriji | If the doors of perception were cleansed |
| ma...@sparko.gwu.edu | every thing would appear to man as it is, |
| George Washington University | infinite. -- William Blake |
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^^^^^^^^^^
I fixed it, you poser!
James Alexander Chokey
Perhaps I define poser/poseur a bit differently than a lot of
other people do, but I consider a poser to be anyone who, to paraphrase
Madonna (never thought I'd be mentionning her on alt.rnr.metal!), strikes
a pose in order to appear tough or cool. As far as I'm concerned, most of
the people who are railing on these glamour-boy bands [i.e. poseur bands]
are just as much of posers as those that they criticize.
I hope this thread dies soon-- the people who are involved
in this debate/flame-war usually have so many interesting things to say when
they're actually talking about metal (however they happen to define it). I
wish they would actually talk about what they like and not just argue with
each other over such a silly issue.
Jim C. <jch...@leland.stanford.edu>
Patrick B Mcclory
f#ck you
ha ha ha ha
Lyrics are important huh,
how about MILK by Anthrax,
ooooh, real intelligent here!
don't get me wrong, I do like the song, but good lyrics have nothing to do
with the music aspect of a song, only the lyrical aspect.
make any sense????
no!
well, after you are done beating off all over your keyboard, (insert favorite
antagonist here) think again
P.S. - hey Maple, just want to let you know, if you already didn't, that
C++ ya is very stupid. ( does this mean you don't know what you are
talking about, or are you a poser, or both?)
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Jeremy Lyn Hart
> I like poser rock
> f#ck you
> ha ha ha ha
> Lyrics are important huh,
> how about MILK by Anthrax,
> ooooh, real intelligent here!
> don't get me wrong, I do like the song, but good lyrics have nothing to do
> with the music aspect of a song, only the lyrical aspect.
> make any sense????
> no!
Good point - it's one of my favorites, too...
I don't think songs necessarily have to have intelligent lyrics to
be good songs - but I've gotta admit, the standard "sex/drugs/rocknroll"
lyrics aren't real creative...
> well, after you are done beating off all over your keyboard, (insert favorite
> antagonist here) think again
>
Sick. I wouldn't wanna be the next one at THAT workstation! ;^>
> P.S. - hey Maple, just want to let you know, if you already didn't, that
> C++ ya is very stupid. ( does this mean you don't know what you are
> talking about, or are you a poser, or both?)
I kinda like it...
Shit, it's too early in the morning...
Tim Messick
)>>I'd like to see you tell that to the crew
)>>here who like to mosh to R.E.M.....
)>>
)>>(and actually, to respond to another poster, you CAN mosh to Metallica.
)>
) You're right, of course. You can mosh to anything if you
) really set your heart to it. What I should have said is
) that _I_ can't mosh to Metallica, or more specifically that
) I don't feel comfortable moshing to Metallica. In my mind, there
) is music that you listen to for it's own sake, and then there
) is music that you slam to. The line gets blurry sometimes, but
) I have trouble slamming when I could be watching musicians make
) music. That's why I like grops like latter-day Ministry. Moshing
) is their whole point.
) tHOM b
...you do know, of course, that moshing and slamming are not the same thing,
right? You MOSH to Anthrax and Metallica (If you don't believe me, listen
to For Whom the Bell tolls), and you slam to DRI. (Well...you could slam
to Anthrax and Metallica if you wanted...but it'd be impossible to mosh
to DRI...well, when I say DRI, I mean back when they were punk. I gave up
on them after 'CROSSOVER'). Moshing is more rhythmic, almost viscous. It
flows with and in response to the music. Slamming is AnaRchY. Both are
fun. They're almost the same, but you can tell the difference. The reason
I say you can't really mosh to hardcore punk is that the rhythm of the
songs IS anarchy, and you end up slamming anyway...
anyway....
(and by the way, you gotta realize that a lot of us are CS majors...why
are you getting off on Maple for "C++ ya?" That's "cornball", coming
from someone who can't capitalize his name correctly? If you're gonna
flame, do it realistically...)
Tim Messick
>> In article <1992Feb21.0...@wam.umd.edu> gi...@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing) writes:
)>>throats.
)>
)> ...and post to a group designed for what you like, don't force it down another
)> group's throat...
)
) ...and since that is impossible, ignore the stuff that you don't
) like and learn how to live in a heterogenous environment. You
) people like to make so much noise about ``nonconformity''...
Yeah, I know it's impossible, but I'd still like to see people clue up and
do it. That doesn't really have anything to do with nonconformity,
though...? Anyway, it's not like I'm gonna DIE cuz I see something that
doesn't belong, but seeing these folks get upset 'cuz they can't understand why
people are getting sick of it....it's kinda sad (funny?)...
)> Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument. Take
)> the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always mean
)> nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of your
)> Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics, you
)> usually end up with some permutation of "Louie, Louie". Given the "progres
)> and flow of the song is paper-thin, pop artists rely on their vocalists to
)> carry them through. Sometimes it works (Mariah isn't my style, but you can't
)> deny she has an excellent voice)...and sometimes, when the singer is flat
)> and the lyrics are meaningless (Hint: most poser bands). You speak of
) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
) Name names, friend.
) ``Suaron Jr'' didn't say that stupid lyics make up a stupid
) song. That is too often the case. What he said is that the
) lyrical content is reflective of the band's ability to play
) music. Huh? That's nonsense.
If that's what he meant...then yeah, that's pretty stupid. What I meant,
though, is what I said.
I mean bands like Tuff and Poison and Faster Pussycat. There are others, but
I've only heard a little from most of them, and I don't want to hear any more,
but I'm not gonna flame on bands I don't know too much about.
Not to say there are no good hard rock-n-roll bands; Tesla is good (well...
their first album was, anyway), Krokus was good. Old Dokken and Crue is
pretty good. But all these wanna-be bands are just not as good.
>> instrumentals. So, where are the instrumentals from poser bands that
>> live up to "S.E.K", "Orion", "Thirty Seconds", "Last Rites", "Into the Lungs
>> of Hell", "Innocence", "The Call of Ktulu"....etc...
>
> ``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
> ``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
> ``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
> ``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
> ``Escape'' Vince DiCola
> ``YYZ'' Rush
> ``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
>
> I could go on...and don't tell me about these songs not being
> ``intense'' enough, or that the above artists are not metal.
> I know that this is a metal newsgroup, and I would never introduce
> a thread to it that wasn't metal-related, but I've got a secret
> for you--intensity and energy have nothing to do with musical
> talent. They are great assets, to be sure, but there are other
> ways of judging a group's merit.
Well...I think you've got me confused with someone else; I don't go off in
closedminded flames about things. If I flame there's a reason....and I
have never flamed on these bands. I would also not call them Poser bands.
They don't POSE, and pretend to be something. (well...Van Halen is getting
there...). Though I wouldn't call all of them metal, I wouldn't discredit
them. I was wondering about poser bands, whose closest dart-throw at
musicianship is "Every Rose has it's Thorn".
I also can't understand your statement about energy and intensity...
they ABSOLUTELY have to do with talent, and quality! Intensity doesn't
mean screaming as fast as you can; listen to the 'Presto' in Vivaldi's
Summer concerto. That's fucking intense, and energetic. Look at Tuff.
That's NOT.
>> You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers and
>> actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a little
>> too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
>>
> That's just a wee bit cryptic of you. Everyone needs to stop
> flaming mindlessly and start discussing intelligently. That's
> what the net is for.
True enough....
>
> tHOM b
Take it easy...
ShadowKing
glam/poser
> concerts have you been to where all they focus on is playing music and
> not the vocals?? The answer is none. None of 'em can play real music!
Please, can you define what real music is? Is real music
that which only deals with war, suffering, and racism?
Real music means no keyboards and makeup? Anything
depressing MUST mean it's real music. Since war,
suffering, and racism are of great concern today, maybe
I could convince Warrant, Firehouse, et al. to come out
with a song about AIDS or date rape or wife abuse or
some shit like that - then would they lose the poser
status?
Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
throats. You have made your fucking point about five
Kevin J. Feury
pm...@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick B Mcclory) writes:
> I like poser rock
> f#ck you
> ha ha ha ha
> Lyrics are important huh,
> how about MILK by Anthrax,
covered by anthrax. done by s.o.d. (even though 3/4 of that band was
anthrax)
> ooooh, real intelligent here!
> don't get me wrong, I do like the song, but good lyrics have nothing to do
> with the music aspect of a song, only the lyrical aspect.
> make any sense????
> no!
you can cite evidence to support or tear dow any claim about anything.
the fact is that in some songs it does make a difference and in others
it doesn't.so who really cares? i don't know, but it doesn't change the
fact that posers should not be in this newsgroup.
> P.S. - hey Maple, just want to let you know, if you already didn't, that
> C++ ya is very stupid. ( does this mean you don't know what you are
> talking about, or are you a poser, or both?)
your opinon, but perhaps to him it means something you don't know?
-kev.
> Radix malorum est Macintosh
> Macintoshes delandi sunt
oh god, someone else who knows latin. ugh. the very sight of it brings
back the memory of four years worth of pain.
the following lyrics are to the best ballad ever
:') included for you humorless types
===================================
we fell in love at first sight
i can't explain the feelings
we were so happy
a life of sweet honey child
you'll always be mine
but then i played the fool
i never meant to hurt you
or sleep with all your friends
we reconciled we found ourselves
our love was meant to be
oh baby can't you see
you left me standing in the mud
crying to myself
a heart so full of pain
but we fell in love again
this time forever
true love prevails over all
she got hit by a truck
===================================
Patrick B Mcclory
>> P.S. - hey Maple, just want to let you know, if you already didn't, that
>> C++ ya is very stupid. ( does this mean you don't know what you are
>> talking about, or are you a poser, or both?)
>
>your opinon, but perhaps to him it means something you don't know?
>
actually, I know exactly what C++ is, nothing sentimental about it either
>-kev.
>
>slat...@mac.dartmouth.edu
>
>> Radix malorum est Macintosh
>> Macintoshes delandi sunt
>
>oh god, someone else who knows latin. ugh. the very sight of it brings
>back the memory of four years worth of pain.
>
actually I don't know latin, I didn't even know what language that was,
I just thought it was funny (the stuff you deleted that is)
>the following lyrics are to the best ballad ever
>:') included for you humorless types
>
>===================================
>we fell in love at first sight
>i can't explain the feelings
>we were so happy
>a life of sweet honey child
>you'll always be mine
>but then i played the fool
>i never meant to hurt you
>or sleep with all your friends
>we reconciled we found ourselves
>our love was meant to be
>oh baby can't you see
>you left me standing in the mud
>crying to myself
>a heart so full of pain
>but we fell in love again
>this time forever
>true love prevails over all
>she got hit by a truck
>===================================
full agreement, this song is great, I died the first time I heard it.
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Matthew J. O'Sickey
is what bands have consistently fantastic lyrics. How about some feedback
from the Metal Heads on this group. Mail me what in your opinion are
bands with consistently well written lyrics and a song title or two by the
band representative of the lyrical quality. I will comprise a list and
score bands by number of replies and by song. In about two weeks I will
post results, so metal heads into lyrics can check into the bands that
they haven't checked into yet.
email at osi...@fegate.cc.purdue.edu
AZRAEL
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ShadowKing
Maybe the response is ridiculous for a reason. What he was
saying was that music is only REAL if it is socially conscious.
Is this true? And he never answered my question anway!
>
> >Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
> >throats.
>
> ....and post to a group designed for what you like, don't force it down
another
> group's throat...
I haven't forced DICK down anyone's throat. Look at yourself.
As you stated, you have fallen prey to the flame war. You
are in fact doing just want you are trying to stop. Think
about it. And where have I ever stated my musical
preference, huh?
> > You have made your fucking point about five
> >times already. Once is enough. Since lyrics mean
> >EVERYTHING to REAL music, I guess any Satriani, Jeff Beck,
> >or Steve Vai album isn't real music. Hmmm, what
> >would you call their stuff? Not music? Sure. Get
> >a clue, dude. Oh...but maybe they aren't posers, so
> >they don't count, right?
> >
> >Chris
> >gi...@wam.umd.edu
>
> Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument.
Take
> the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always
mean
> nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of
your
> Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics,
y> You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers
and
> actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a
little
> too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
I am curious - what is your opinion of Giant? Do you consider
them a poser group? Ever heard of them? See, some people
consider them metal, others not. The problem I think is
the defintion of METAL, not whether a band are posers. If I
like Giant or Tangier or Childs Play or Tyketto or whatever,
I think I have the right to post here without the flame. There
is no concrete defintion of metal, and I think posts about
the mentioned bands would be more relevant here than on the
rec-music-misc thing.
I also don't think a band needs to include instrumentals
on their releases to prove themselves. If they do, fine.
I expect flames for this, but MSG has a decent instrumental
on Save Yourself, Slaughter does too, as does Firehouse,
and some guitar stuff by Reb Beach on In the Heart of the
Young is good. Maybe these instrumentals don't stack up
MUSICALLY to Orion, Thirty Seconds, or whatever, but
never did Winger or Slaughter or MSG claim to be musically
superior to anyone.
Maybe you should remove your finger from the flamethrower
trigger and open your mind. Everyone is different. I would
understand if someone posted about the New Kids (who I find
credible, no flames), because they are obviously
very different. But 'poser' bands and other 'metal' bands
are too similiar, no line can be drawn really. There
will always be an argument. Just live with life the way
it is - if ya don't like it, don't listen to it (or don't
read about it.)
> I walk through a garden, in the morning. Tim Messick
> I walked right into a change.
mes...@seas.ucla.edu
> No words were spoken, just a feeling.
> I cannot explain......but I can feel the difference.
Peace,
Chris
gi...@wam.umd.edu
Brian Gregory Fern
"Whitewashed Tomb" -- Tourniquet
"Musical Death (A Dirge)" -- ? (Sorry, i forgot. Testament?)
"Tears" -- Yngwie
"Eleanor Rigby" and "Sound of Silence" -- Stanley Jordan
"Aphasia"(?) -- Europe (old album - Wings of Tomorrow)
"Over the Rainbow" -- Chris Impelliteri
"Sting of the Bumblebee" -- Manowar
Matthew J. O'Sickey
>In article <1992Feb20.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>> Great White. Guess what that songs about -- SEX! Wow, how did
>>> you know? wink wink.
>> Lyrics (however lame they may be) have *nothing* to do with
>> music, or musical ability.
>Intelligent lyrics have EVERYTHING to do with music. How many glam/poser
>concerts have you been to where all they focus on is playing music and
>not the vocals?? The answer is none. None of 'em can play real music!
>They always need some catchy chorus like "Rock Me" or "Let's call it
>rock n roll." On the otherhand, bands like Megadeth and Anthrax both
>have great intelligent lyrics, dealing with war, suffering, racism,
>and other topics that are of great concern today.
another more open-minded article has been appended here in part.
> Lyrics have EVERYTHING to do with music when the music in question
>contains lyrics. Nothing turns me away from a band faster than stupid
>lyrics, and Great White is at the top of my list in that category (except
>for that ridiculous song "I Do You", by whoever...).
> Eric Brown
This is a monstrously good point, this other side of this statement
is what bands have consistently fantastic lyrics. How about some feedback
from the Metal Heads on this group. Mail me what in your opinion are
bands with consistently well written lyrics and a song title or two by the
band representative of the lyrical quality. I will comprise a list and
score bands by number of replies and by song. In about two weeks I will
post results, so metal heads into lyrics can check into the bands that
they are not already into.
email osi...@fegate.cc.purdue.edu
or post on group if you must.
so far response has been pretty good, the heavier darker sounding
bands seem to be pretty popular.
AZRAEL
P.S. still waiting for maple, suaron, and docs replies....
Matthew J. O'Sickey
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb21.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <60...@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mes...@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick) writes:
>>> In article <1992Feb21.0...@wam.umd.edu> gi...@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing) writes:
>>>
>>> Lose the wanna-be cynical attitude. Stop incinuating and start thinking.
>>> The guy you're responding to is Suaron Jr; he says (usually...) the truth,
>>> but in a way to bait folks like you. Not only did you take it, but your
>>> response is ridiculous.
>>
>> It's really easy after you've gotten a rise out of someone
>> to sit back and be smug about it, but I think the guy is just
>> making it up as he goes along.
>> As the saying goes, ``ask a stupid question...''
>
> LEAVE HIM ALONE POSER. HE'S ON MY SIDE. IF YOU WANT TO PICK ON SOMEONE,
> PICK ON ME YOU POSER.
I was picking on you, friend.
>
>>> Intelligent lyrics are as much a part of a song as any other instrument. Take
>>> the lyrics to your favorite poser song, however, and they almost always mean
>>> nothing. I don't hold that against them; I happen to like "Piece of your
>>> Action", but if you take the average poser song, and remove the lyrics, you
>>> usually end up with some permutation of "Louie, Louie". Given the "progres
>>> and flow of the song is paper-thin, pop artists rely on their vocalists to
>>> carry them through. Sometimes it works (Mariah isn't my style, but you can't
>>> deny she has an excellent voice)...and sometimes, when the singer is flat
>>> and the lyrics are meaningless (Hint: most poser bands). You speak of
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I'll name you names poser. Great White, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue,
> CC Deville Experience, Vince Neil Band, Poison, Bon Jovi, ..etc.
>
> Do you get the picture now?
The lyrics aren't meaningless, they just aren't very interesting.
Btw, have you yet realised that to an extent way I share your veiws
on this music (ie it's not metal, it shouldn't be posted here) or
do you just scream out ``poser'' at anyone who doesn't worship you?
>
>> ``Suaron Jr'' didn't say that stupid lyics make up a stupid
>> song. That is too often the case. What he said is that the
>> lyrical content is reflective of the band's ability to play
>> music. Huh? That's nonsense.
>
> Well, none the less I DO believe that stupid lyrics make a stupid song.
And generally you would be right.
> AND NO, THAT IS NOT NONSENSE YOU POSER
>
No, it isn't. Stupid lyrics can colour anyone's perception of
music. But it is nonsense to say that if you can't write good
lyrics, then you also have no musical talent.
Examples:
Swans: Most boring, repetitive instrumentalists I have
ever heard bar two, yet their lyrics are incredibly
powerful and intelligent.
Van Halen: Edward is obviously a great musician, but Sammy
Hagar's lyrics are really blah. Dave went for
sex a lot too, but at least he was creative about
it.
>> ``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
>> ``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
>> ``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
>> ``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
>> ``Escape'' Vince DiCola
>> ``YYZ'' Rush
>> ``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
>
> THESE BANDS ARE NOT METAL
That's right, and I admitted it when I posted this, also ststing that
it is not the point. Nice how you conveniently deleted that.
>
>>> You folks need to stick your heads out from behind your flamethrowers and
>>> actually look at things. We understand that posers go with image a little
>>> too much; that's how they earned the name, but come on guys...
>>>
>> That's just a wee bit cryptic of you. Everyone needs to stop
>> flaming mindlessly and start discussing intelligently. That's
>> what the net is for.
>>
>>
> WRONG!!!
>
> YOU POSER
^^^^^
This has nothing to do with music anymore, Mr. McCarth...uh, Maple.
>
> C++ ya,
>
> Maple
> Yeah, well...whatever.
tHOm
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb21.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
> )>
>
> right? You MOSH to Anthrax and Metallica (If you don't believe me, listen
> to For Whom the Bell tolls), and you slam to DRI. (Well...you could slam
> to Anthrax and Metallica if you wanted...but it'd be impossible to mosh
> to DRI...well, when I say DRI, I mean back when they were punk. I gave up
> on them after 'CROSSOVER'). Moshing is more rhythmic, almost viscous. It
> flows with and in response to the music. Slamming is AnaRchY. Both are
> fun. They're almost the same, but you can tell the difference. The reason
sometimes'', reffering also to music for listening vs music
for...phisical activities. Looking back, I should have said
it seperately.
On the average, I prefer moshing, since it has some semblance
of order and artistry. I get really sick of having a bunch of
guys (or girls) out to prove how tough they are by walking around
the pit puching people in the facr at random. They usually don't
last very long (sometimes the *band* beats the shit out of them)
but still...
I say you can't really mosh to hardcore punk is that the rhythm of the
> songs IS anarchy, and you end up slamming anyway...
To be honest, there are times when I would rather mosh to a DJ
than a band. Records don't get off beat.
>
> anyway....
>
> (and by the way, you gotta realize that a lot of us are CS majors...why
> are you getting off on Maple for "C++ ya?" That's "cornball", coming
> from someone who can't capitalize his name correctly? If you're gonna
> flame, do it realistically...)
Touche. But at least it's my real name.
(btw, that was not a slam to you or Maple).
tHOM
>
> --
> I walk through a garden, in the morning. Tim Messick
> I walked right into a change. mes...@seas.ucla.edu
> No words were spoken, just a feeling.
> I cannot explain......but I can feel the difference.
--
Thomas Earl Bowers
Utah State University
sl...@cc.usu.edu
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> In article <1992Feb21.1...@cc.usu.edu> sl...@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <60...@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mes...@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Tim Messick) writes:
>>> In article <1992Feb21.0...@wam.umd.edu> gi...@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (ShadowKing) writes:
> )>>Listen to what you like - don't force shit down others
> )>>throats.
> )>
> )> ...and post to a group designed for what you like, don't force it down another
> )> group's throat...
> )
> ) ...and since that is impossible, ignore the stuff that you don't
> ) like and learn how to live in a heterogenous environment. You
> ) people like to make so much noise about ``nonconformity''...
>
> Yeah, I know it's impossible, but I'd still like to see people clue up and
> do it. That doesn't really have anything to do with nonconformity,
> though...? Anyway, it's not like I'm gonna DIE cuz I see something that
I just get sick of ANTIconformity trying to pass as NONconformity.
If you are truly nonconformist, them you can consider Frank Zappa
as metal if you want to. All I've heard about is the poser-metal
groups who conform to the Mtv format by putting out their ballads.
What I am not hearing about is all of those ``metal'' bands who
by the same definition are posers because they get so caught up in
their style (speed, thrash, whatever) that they become afraid to
try something new or different. They are also conforming. A true
nonconformist does whatever they feel, regardless of whether it's
the cool thing to do. An anticonformist seeks out the cool thing to
do and deliberately does the opposite. There is no integrity in
this.
> doesn't belong, but seeing these folks get upset 'cuz they can't understand why
> people are getting sick of it....it's kinda sad (funny?)...
I understand the need to keep the groups seperate, but what we have
here is a couple of people who, instead of trying to do something
about it (create other groups, etc) flame the posters for posting
things that ``don't belong.'' Now, if they have no interest in things
that are not metal, they should skip posts which have titles indicating
a non-metal subject. A lot of people just post simulataneously in all
of the music groups, hoping to get a bigger response.
>
> Not to say there are no good hard rock-n-roll bands; Tesla is good (well...
> their first album was, anyway), Krokus was good. Old Dokken and Crue is
> pretty good. But all these wanna-be bands are just not as good.
Agreed. The problem, then, is when will all the wanna-be bands stop
calling themselves metal, right? I understand that frustration.
Btw, I would also put Van Halen and Damn Yankees (and few others) in
that good hard rock category.
>
>>> instrumentals. So, where are the instrumentals from poser bands that
>>> live up to "S.E.K", "Orion", "Thirty Seconds", "Last Rites", "Into the Lungs
>>> of Hell", "Innocence", "The Call of Ktulu"....etc...
>>
>> ``On Interstate 15'' Wall Of Voodoo
>> ``Sunday Afternoon In The Park'' Van Halen
>> ``Woodpecker From Mars'' Faith No More
>> ``One Of These Days'' Pink Floyd
>> ``Escape'' Vince DiCola
>> ``YYZ'' Rush
>> ``La Villa Strangiato'' Rush
>>
>> I could go on...and don't tell me about these songs not being
>> ``intense'' enough, or that the above artists are not metal.
>> I know that this is a metal newsgroup, and I would never introduce
>> a thread to it that wasn't metal-related, but I've got a secret
>> for you--intensity and energy have nothing to do with musical
>> talent. They are great assets, to be sure, but there are other
>> ways of judging a group's merit.
>
> Well...I think you've got me confused with someone else; I don't go off in
> closedminded flames about things. If I flame there's a reason....and I
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
> have never flamed on these bands. I would also not call them Poser bands.
> They don't POSE, and pretend to be something. (well...Van Halen is getting
> there...). Though I wouldn't call all of them metal, I wouldn't discredit
> them. I was wondering about poser bands, whose closest dart-throw at
^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn't notice at first that you called for instrumentals by ``poser
bands''. I thought it was instrumentals period. You're right on that
one, I haven't heard any instrumentals by bands in the Tuff/Faster
Pussycat vein that can match the ones that either of us posted.
> I also can't understand your statement about energy and intensity...
> they ABSOLUTELY have to do with talent, and quality! Intensity doesn't
> mean screaming as fast as you can; listen to the 'Presto' in Vivaldi's
> Summer concerto. That's fucking intense, and energetic. Look at Tuff.
> That's NOT.
I probably worded that wrong. For example, if Metallica decides that
they want to do a quiet song, that doesn't mean it's mot good music,
it just means that it's quiet. Intensity and energy are very important,
but they are relative. There is intensity in Pink Floyd's ``Shine On
You Crazy Diamond'', but it isn't overt. What I meant by the comment
was the screaming as fast (and as loud) as you can kind of thing. It
is not a good enough talent barometer.
tHOM b
EWK...@psuvm.psu.edu
is truly a great album, and Once Bitten has a few really great tracks...
however, since ...Twice Shy, i haven't been very impressed with this band, but
Save Your Love is the second best heavy metal ballad of all time (right behind
Still Loving You)
oh, and by the way, just so i don't get flamed for being a serious poser, Ride
the Lightning kicks ass :)
The Fascist
EWK...@psuvm.psu.edu
i like older Great White, Whitesnake, Dokken, GNR, Kiss, Lillian Axe, Lynch Mob
, Ratt, Tangier, Tesla, and Vandenberg (ie. bands you seem to consider posers)
i also listen to Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Savatage, MSG, Scorpions
, Queensryche (ie. bands you might consider metal)
in addition, i listen to alternative, classic rock, and industrial.
so, my question is, oh great gods of anti-poserism, just how the fuck do you
classify me?
come on, is it really relavent... most people in college these days listen to
more than one type of music... so stop calling people posers, just politely
tell them their posts don't belong here... i mean, while i like the Cure, i'd
never post an article about them here...
The Fascist
Mike Schenk
[... stuff deleted ...]
> Good point...but anybody know of any other cool metal instrumentals?
> Lemme see if I can think up a few of my favorites...
>
> Anthrax - "Intro to Reality," "13," and "Pipeline" (a metal band does
> a "surfer" song - HILARIOUS!!!)
> Metallica - "Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)"
> Nuclear Assault - "Funky Noise"
>
> Anybody got more?
How about the next ones?
Wring that Neck - Deep Purple
Grabsplatter - Deep Purple
Embryo - Black Sabbath
Rat Salad - Black Sabbath
Orchid - Black Sabbath
Bron-Y-Aur - Led Zeppelin
Bonzo's Montreux - Led Zeppelin (or actually just John Bonham)
The Ides Of March - Iron Maiden
Thunderstruck - Samson (actually the same as Ides Of March)
Eruption - Van Halen
Child in Time - Deep Purple (this can almost be
considered instrumental)
And lot's more, feel free to divide the list in 'poser' and
'metal'.
--
Mike Schenk
e-mail: M.R.S...@research.ptt.nl
"He was turned to steel,
in a great magnetic field,
as he travelled time,
for the future of mankind."
-- Iron Man, Black Sabbath
Gary Achenbach
Orion --Metallica
Mike Stevens
>>Any Steve Vai. Try "Passion and Warfare"!
Robert Stevens
I strongly believe that "For the Love of God" is the best
instrumental ever. NOW, that is saying its my favorite, so don't start
a five week flame war over this.
I recommend Richie Kotzen's first albumn for instrumental-only
buffs. The muther shreds!
Alex Stevens
stev...@fegate.cc.purdue.edu
Matthew J. O'Sickey
> Lyrics have EVERYTHING to do with music when the music in question
>contains lyrics. Nothing turns me away from a band faster than stupid
>lyrics, and Great White is at the top of my list in that category (except
>for that ridiculous song "I Do You", by whoever...).
> Eric Brown
This is a monstrously good point, this other side of this statement
is what bands have consistently fantastic lyrics. How about some feedback
from the Metal Heads on this group. Mail me what in your opinion are
bands with consistently well written lyrics and a song title or two by the
band representative of the lyrical quality. I will comprise a list and
score bands by number of replies and by song. In about two weeks I will
post results, so metal heads into lyrics can check into the bands that
they are not already into.
email osi...@fegate.cc.purdue.edu
or post on group if you must.
so far response has been pretty good, the heavier darker sounding
bands seem to be pretty popular.
AZRAEL
P.S. still waiting for suaron's reply...
HEY SUARON, WAKE UP, DOC AND MAPLE HAVE REPLIED, WHERE IS
YOUR MANDITORY DANZIG VOTE?!?!?!
Now the survey needs some replies from tim, shag, steve, fascist...
Marin Katacic
blues with a rock groove, you'll love Great White. There latest album
"Hooked" is great. Every song is excellent. I don't know how you can say they
are a poser band because of their lyrics. They are great mucisians. And Jack
Russell has a great voice. This band has not sold out and will never sell out.
As long as they keep opn making great albums they'll be around for a long time.
Any Great White fans out there? MK
Dany Labrie
No I'm not a Great White fan. I'm more on the brutal side of heavy-metal,
like Suaron and Maples but with a slight difference: I've got a brain!
However, I REALLY enjoyed their first self-titled debut album. I still
listen to it 7 years later (I can't even say the same about early Slayer
stuff). My concern is that nobody seems to know this album. I've been
told that Great White don't even play a song of it anymore. Being by
nature a metal preacher, I needed to tell the net about an very good
and unknown metal album. This album can please heavy-metal fans (like
myself) as well as posers-fags-dicksuckers lovers like Doc Holliday (Oups,
a Suaron influence!).
--
Don't blame me for the wording and spelling:
C'est la faute a mes parents, pas la mienne.
Danny Labrie Bell-Northern Research, Montreal, Canada
bnrmtl!lab...@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
"Life sucks... but so does my girlfirend :-)"
BKC...@psuvm.psu.edu
(Marin Katacic) says:
HECK YES!!! ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED LINES ARE TRUE... "HOOKED" IS A KILLER
ROCKIN/BLUESY/BUMP-N-GRIND ALBUM... JACK RUSSELL IS ALSO AN INCREDIBLE
VOCALIST... FOR THOSE DISBELIEVERS, CHECK OUT GREAT WHITE DOING ZEP's "BABE,
I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU" FROM MTV UNPLUGGED...
Brian K. Chopp
TJK...@psuvm.psu.edu
In article <92059.165...@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BKC...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>In article <HRB360F2.92...@beach.csulb.edu>, hrb3...@beach.csulb.edu
>(Marin Katacic) says:
>
>>blues with a rock groove, you'll love Great White. There latest album
>>"Hooked" is great. Every song is excellent. I don't know how you can say
>>they
Here folks is a prime example of brain death. Gee! How can I, Suaron,
the holy crusader on a mission from god (either one) say Great White
is not METAL. Wow! maybe this moron says it himself then...quote
'its blues with a rock groove' Please don't waste my time with your
feeble intelligence.
>>Russell has a great voice. This band has not sold out and will never sell
>>out.
Probably cause nobody would want to buy them. I'm sure he tries...
>>As long as they keep opn making great albums they'll be around for a long
>>time.
I suppose that is a pun on the name...Great White...great albums...haha
funny man. I swear where do morons like you come from...who breeds them.
I think there are backwords messages in these poser albums convincing
the listeners that they are true metal and not the poser shit they are.
>> Any Great White fans out there? MK
>
I sure as hell hope not!
> HECK YES!!! ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED LINES ARE TRUE... "HOOKED" IS A KILLER
> ROCKIN/BLUESY/BUMP-N-GRIND ALBUM... JACK RUSSELL IS ALSO AN INCREDIBLE
> VOCALIST... FOR THOSE DISBELIEVERS, CHECK OUT GREAT WHITE DOING ZEP's "BABE,
> I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU" FROM MTV UNPLUGGED...
>
Unfortunately we have Mr. Bandwagon himself. All capital letters...trying
to impress upon us their worth in the music world. Who cares? Don't
listen to Mr. Poser T. Bandwagon, Great White blows Shark Balls...
> Brian K. Chopp
--communion is evolution of the mind to a higher form of reason
Suaron
BKC...@psuvm.psu.edu
>>> Any Great White fans out there? MK
>>
>I sure as hell hope not!
>> HECK YES!!! ALL OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED LINES ARE TRUE... "HOOKED" IS A
>KILLER
>> ROCKIN/BLUESY/BUMP-N-GRIND ALBUM... JACK RUSSELL IS ALSO AN INCREDIBLE
>> VOCALIST... FOR THOSE DISBELIEVERS, CHECK OUT GREAT WHITE DOING ZEP's "BABE,
>> I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU" FROM MTV UNPLUGGED...
>>
>Unfortunately we have Mr. Bandwagon himself. All capital letters...trying
>to impress upon us their worth in the music world. Who cares? Don't
>listen to Mr. Poser T. Bandwagon, Great White blows Shark Balls...
>> Brian K. Chopp
>--communion is evolution of the mind to a higher form of reason
>Suaron
PERHAPS I SHOULD COME UP TO UNIVERSITY PARK AND KICK YOUR "SUARON"-ASS
MYSELF!!! I REALIZE THAT GREAT WHITE DOES NOT BELONG UNDER YOUR SACRED
"METAL" CATEGORY, BUT THIS WAS A "RE:" TO A PRIOR QUERY...OH WELL, SUARON...
YOU HAVE LOST MY NITTANY LION RESPECT! (FOR WHATEVER THE HELL THAT'S WORTH)
GREAT WHITE STILL KICKS... WHETHER OR NOT IT BE *YOUR* OPINION...
BRIAN K. CHOPP
PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
Doug Morack
>
>PERHAPS I SHOULD COME UP TO UNIVERSITY PARK AND KICK YOUR "SUARON"-ASS
>MYSELF!!! I REALIZE THAT GREAT WHITE DOES NOT BELONG UNDER YOUR SACRED
>"METAL" CATEGORY, BUT THIS WAS A "RE:" TO A PRIOR QUERY...OH WELL, SUARON...
>YOU HAVE LOST MY NITTANY LION RESPECT! (FOR WHATEVER THE HELL THAT'S WORTH)
>GREAT WHITE STILL KICKS... WHETHER OR NOT IT BE *YOUR* OPINION...
> BRIAN K. CHOPP
> PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
In other words....
WAH!!!!!! I GOT FLAMED!!! WELL, NOW I'M MAD. LET'S SHOW THE WORLD WHAT
A MORON I REALLY AM BY USING THREATS OF VIOLENCE. AND WHILE I AM AT IT, I'LL
TYPE IT IN ALL CAPS (SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIXED CASE IS). YEA, THAT'S IT.
IT WILL LOOK LIKE I AM YELLING - THEN PEOPLE WILL NOTICE ME.
Yea, we noticed alright. We noticed what a moron you really are.
Sounds without feeling, energy, or aggression
From money hungry brains and not from the heart
Fortune, fame, and glory are their obsessions
Salesmen, deaf to music, blind to art
No honesty, just sterility
A cautious sound they make without creativity....
...Some have eyes and still can't see
Their plastic noise is anything but music to me
Mechanized and computerized
Switch off your brain and make sounds that dehumanize....
-Kreator, Love us or Hate Us
These words mean anything to you Brian? Probably not.
Wage the war on organized posers!
-Doug
BKC...@psuvm.psu.edu
<DCM...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
> Yea, we noticed alright. We noticed what a moron you really are.
MORON... I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT WORD SINCE 7TH GRADE...THANX...
> Sounds without feeling, energy, or aggression
> From money hungry brains and not from the heart
> Fortune, fame, and glory are their obsessions
> Salesmen, deaf to music, blind to art
> No honesty, just sterility
> A cautious sound they make without creativity....
> ...Some have eyes and still can't see
> Their plastic noise is anything but music to me
> Mechanized and computerized
> Switch off your brain and make sounds that dehumanize....
> -Kreator, Love us or Hate Us
> These words mean anything to you Brian? Probably not.
NO....NOT REALLY....SOUNDS LIKE SOME "LET'S PRETEND WE'RE
AGGRESSIVE ROUGH GUYS WHO HATE THE WORLD" BULLSHIT LYRICS...
OH...LET'S PICK ON ME BECAUSE I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I PREFER TO...
THAT'S A GOOD ONE...THIS CONVERSATION HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR...
Brian K. Chopp
Doug Morack
In article <92061.021...@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BKC...@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
> MORON... I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT WORD SINCE 7TH GRADE...THANX...
Isn't that about the grade level of the members of Great White?
> NO....NOT REALLY....SOUNDS LIKE SOME "LET'S PRETEND WE'RE
> AGGRESSIVE ROUGH GUYS WHO HATE THE WORLD" BULLSHIT LYRICS...
Actually, those lyrics have meaning, but you have listened to bands like
Great White so much, you wouldn't know it. Where is the aggression in those
lyrics????
> OH...LET'S PICK ON ME BECAUSE I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I PREFER TO...
> THAT'S A GOOD ONE...THIS CONVERSATION HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR...
> Brain K. Dead
Yes, it has gone on way too far. Posers go elsewhere - that's all there
is to it.
Wage the war on organized posers! (Sound vaguely familier to anyone?)
-Doug
Kevin J. Feury
DCM...@psuvm.psu.edu (Doug Morack) writes:
> Wage the war on organized posers! (Sound vaguely familier to anyone?)
whether they're organized or not they surely needto be exposed to
'deth',
and feel 'the punishment due", ok? i think i get your drift.
-kev.
=====================================
wage the war on organized crime
sneak attacks, repel down the rocks
behind the lines
some people risk to employ me
some people live to destroy me
either way they die.
=====================================
Jason Lee
One question, I don't have a problem with Great White..they're cool. *BUT*
DO YOU HAVE TO TYPE EVERYTHING IN CAPS?!
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jl...@weird.miami.fl.us -- Jason Lee. <Handlely Known as Cavalier>
Queensryche FANatic. Amiga Amigo. All around nice guy...
"Ever had a day...when fish?" "Moo '92!" "Welcome to Operation: Mindcrime!"
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Jason Lee
Why am I beginning to feel that Brain here is the JANITOR for Penn State
University? I sure as hell hope he's not a student, a university with
expectatiosn as low in that as students I'm sure *I* don't want to attend..