Jeezus! All I hear on this newsgroup is negativity about new
Metallica! Someone want to tell me what all the fucking whining is all
about??? Whaaa...They cut their hair...Whaaa...They changed their
logo...Whaaa...They aren't heavy
anymore...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa!!! What the FUCK! You all sound
like a bunch of fucking babies in a crib! If you don't like the way they
look, then don't fucking look at them! Jeezus! Besides, if you base a
group simply by the way they look, you are a fucking reject anyways that
knows little about real music in the first place! Want to know something
else...? If you don't like what you've heard of the new recording, don't
fucking buy it!!! I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there who'll enjoy
the new album regardless of what the band looks or sounds like. Metallica
is going to be here for a long time, whether you Metallibabies like it or
not. And here's another thing... For all of you out there who say that
Metallica has denied their Metal roots and aren't Metal anymore...Well,
take another listen. I think the new cd is quite good. Sure, it's no
Master or Justice or Lightning, but all of that has been done before!
Metallica have grown up and so has their sound. Just because they don't
play 1,000 miles an hour anymore (as heard on the Black album) doesn't
mean that they've lost a single inch of ground in heaviness. Well, I know
some people are going to hate this message and some people are going to
agree with it. Bottom line is this: if you want something faster and
better, go listen to something else!(Or start your own fucking band for
that matter...)! I dig the new album and if you don't, SO FUCKING WHAT!!!
It's times to grow up kiddies... Face the music...You're beloved Metallica
has changed. You can either change with them, or go your own way. Besides,
the band isn't going to give a shit one way or the other...They are going
to do things they way they want to...Their way!!!
No Metalliwhining here,
Metal Mike
Think about what you said. People who enjoy the album regardless of what it sounds
like?
> No Metalliwhining here,
Really, what about this:
> Jeezus! All I hear on this newsgroup is negativity about new
> Metallica!
> What the FUCK!
> Jeezus!
=Parasite
Tremendously great point. The new album is metal dammit! Not as much as previous works
but good god, they're in their 30's. They're not 18 anymore.
Stephen
This is so god damn right, I'm pressed as to what to add to it. James
said this album actually reflects how the band is than any other album
because they wrote all the songs and didn't just match titles with
lyrics like on the other albums. It's the fucking bandwagoner's that
are bitchin' anyway. If you were a true fan, it would take a while of
listening before dismissing the album. If you don't like the way the
great Metallica went on this album, pick another band's wagon to jump
on because the next album, out in two years, will be the same. They
wrote about 30 songs and released the first 14 on this album and will
release the rest after the tour. So it will be the same shit. I have
been a fan since Kill'em All and cried the day Cliff died. How many
of you where actually fans then? Hell, how many of you actually know
WHO Cliff is? You whiners need to go post this negative shit
somewhere else so the true fans can praise Metallica...maybe
alt.music.sinead.oconner or something.
Ben Lee
Metal Militia
Southeastern USA Commander
PS - For the rest of you old fans and foriegn fans, thank you for your
support. Keep rock, Metal Mike!
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> Metallica have grown up and so has their sound. Just because they don't
> play 1,000 miles an hour anymore (as heard on the Black album) doesn't
> mean that they've lost a single inch of ground in heaviness. Well, I know
> some people are going to hate this message and some people are going to
> agree with it. Bottom line is this: if you want something faster and
> better, go listen to something else!(Or start your own fucking band for
> that matter...)! I dig the new album and if you don't, SO FUCKING WHAT!!!
> It's times to grow up kiddies... Face the music...You're beloved Metallica
> has changed. You can either change with them, or go your own way. Besides,
> the band isn't going to give a shit one way or the other...They are going
> to do things they way they want to...Their way!!!
Well said Mike! I have just found this newsgroup and am amazed at how much negative shit
I have heard about the new album. I've spent the last two hours just reading all of the
posts and cannot believe what I'm hearing. I have only heard the album 3 times so far but
even though it is not as good as RTL or MOP I still think it is good, just remember it
sometimes takes a few times of listening to it before it grows on you. I have been a fan
since RTL and have seen them live 3 times and sure the older stuff is heavier but just as
peoples tastes change, bands change. When I want to hear heavy stuff I will pull out KEA
and RTL, when I want more melodic stuff I will pull out TBA and the new one. Sure it is
not thrash metal anymore but still is good stuff. I do miss the solo songs like Call of
Ktulu and Orion though as well as the slow beginnings turning into thrash (a la Fight
Fire with Fire). It was always fun to throw RTL on for parents and other older people who
hear the acoustic beginning and then watch their faces when it turns heavy, that was
always priceless!!! :-)
I will listen to the new album at least 10 times before I give it my final decisions but
already I know it is not my #1 fave, but it's hard to keep topping yourself everytime.
Who knows, maybe #8 will just blow everyone away and be total hardcore. I just wonder if
they will do my two favorite all time Metallica songs in any of their upcoming
shows:Seek&Destroy and Creeping Death. I still cannot listen to Creeping Death without
driving at 100 mph or greater! One of the all time greatest drivin tunes!
Just thought I'd finally jump in and add my opinion,
Patrick
> On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:35:48 -0400, "Michael Strefling (ART)"
> <stre...@arts.usf.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jeezus! All I hear on this newsgroup is negativity about new
> >Metallica! Someone want to tell me what all the fucking whining is all
> >about??? Whaaa...They cut their hair...Whaaa...They changed their
> >logo...Whaaa...They aren't heavy
> >anymore...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa!!! What the FUCK! You all sound
> >like a bunch of fucking babies in a crib! If you don't like the way they
> >look, then don't fucking look at them! Jeezus! Besides, if you base a
> >group simply by the way they look, you are a fucking reject anyways that
> >knows little about real music in the first place! Want to know something
> >else...? If you don't like what you've heard of the new recording, don't
> >fucking buy it!!! I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there who'll enjoy
> >the new album regardless of what the band looks or sounds like. Metallica
> >is going to be here for a long time, whether you Metallibabies like it or
> >not. And here's another thing... For all of you out there who say that
> >Metallica has denied their Metal roots and aren't Metal anymore...Well,
> >take another listen. I think the new cd is quite good. Sure, it's no
> >Master or Justice or Lightning, but all of that has been done before!
> >Metallica have grown up and so has their sound. Just because they don't
> >play 1,000 miles an hour anymore (as heard on the Black album) doesn't
> >mean that they've lost a single inch of ground in heaviness. Well, I know
> >some people are going to hate this message and some people are going to
> >agree with it. Bottom line is this: if you want something faster and
> >better, go listen to something else!(Or start your own fucking band for
> >that matter...)! I dig the new album and if you don't, SO FUCKING WHAT!!!
> >It's times to grow up kiddies... Face the music...You're beloved Metallica
> >has changed. You can either change with them, or go your own way. Besides,
> >the band isn't going to give a shit one way or the other...They are going
> >to do things they way they want to...Their way!!!
> >
> >
Does anyone else see a problem with this logic?
Premise 1: If you judge a group by the way they look, you are a
reject.
Premise 2: If the above is true, you know little about music.
Premise 3: Those who don't like something shouldn't buy it.
Premise 4: There are plenty of "fans" out there who will buy the album
regardless of what the band looks or ***sounds*** like.
Conclusion:
Metallica is going to be around forever.
Well, yessiree bob, but they will continue to put out shit (regardless
of what
it ***sounds*** like?!#@!) because "fans" like you who cannot formulate
an
argument without equivocating will continue to buy cowshit wrapped with
the
name "Metallica" on the cover.
My question to you is, upon what basis are "fans" like you buying the
album, if
not based upon look nor *sound*? Answer: Fucking hoopla, because
that's what
my non-thinking, illogical, sell-out ass is telling me to do.
Does anyone else miss the days when goosebumps would form from head to
toe
during the guitar interlude on "master" or that cello in "to live is to
die?"
what about the incredible, intricate, harmonious, and then
kick-your-ass guitar work on "one?"
"regardless of what the band sounds like..." what the fuck? I still
can't
believe I read that shit. and to mention that those who diss the new
album
"know little about real music in the first place..." on what basis do
you know
anything about 'real" music? surely you don't actually listen to it,
or that
would exclude you from "real fans" who'll enjoy the new album
regardless of
what the band looks or sounds like."
What the fuck? I mean, what the fucking fuck?
Conclusion:
You are an idiot.
Cheers,
Jeremy
i thought i was the only one that got chills down my spine from their
older songs. One, Fade, Master, Sanitarium, Orion, and Chtulu are all
songs that have given me the chills depending on the situation and how
i was listening to them and what i was thinking about.
good news tho, the other day i was driving on a long drive and
relentlessly playing load on my stereo to really get a deep feel for
the album. Mama said came on and skeptical as usual i started
listening to the song again. but i guess i had heavy thoughts on my
mind this day because i really listened to it in a different way than
usual. i really thought about what he was saying, how he was
literally pouring his heart out on the table for everyone to view. it
may be slightly cheesy but i have heard way more cheesier songs in my
life that i thought were excellent (im a styx fan!). anyway the
bridge came on and he was saying 'you gave me your emptiness and ill
take to my grave' and for some reason that really struck me deep. it
usually happens only once ina while for me with met, but it happened
here with load, they moved me. my stero cabinet reads like the metal
section of the music store. i was not happy at first hearing their
new sound. im still not happy. but even thoguht they arent playing
what id like to hear, the new songs are good on their own as they are.
upon hearing that song that day i was literally holding back a major
wave of grief for him, it was really wierd i was getting chills down
my spine and everything. either their subliminal messages are really
darn effective or his songwriting ability is strong as hell and he
really pours his emotion into his singing. metallica is still badass
in a slower and more comfortable way. i still have my thrash fix with
pantera (they ARE still breaking new metal ground-every album IS
better than the last)
>Conclusion:
>Does anyone else miss the days when goosebumps would form from head to
>toe
>during the guitar interlude on "master" or that cello in "to live is to
>die?"
>what about the incredible, intricate, harmonious, and then
>kick-your-ass guitar work on "one?"
>"regardless of what the band sounds like..." what the fuck? I still
>can't
>believe I read that shit. and to mention that those who diss the new
>album
>"know little about real music in the first place..." on what basis do
>you know
>anything about 'real" music? surely you don't actually listen to it,
>or that
>would exclude you from "real fans" who'll enjoy the new album
>regardless of
>what the band looks or sounds like."
>What the fuck? I mean, what the fucking fuck?
>Conclusion:
>You are an idiot.
>Cheers,
>Jeremy
I have everyone of Metallica's CD's(except for Garage Days). I love
everysong of their's, whether it is Creeping Death, ...And Justice for
All, Enter Sandman, or Hero of the Day! They are a great band! If you
don't like the new Metallica, don't buy it! I bought the new CD the
first day it came out, and no, I didn't like as much as I liked ...And
Justice for All. But the main word in that sentence is didn't. That
means in the past. I like just as much as I like Kill Em' All or Ride
the Lightning or Master of Puppets! A "real" fan is loyal. You might
get ripped off, but that doesn't matter! 680,000 people bought "Load"
the first week! If you wanna go run to another band and dub yourself
loyal, that's okay, cause a real fan is a fan who sticks through their
band's slumps, just like in sports! So you have you're opinion, just
don't post anything if you aren't part of the fans.
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Michael Strefling (ART) wrote:
>
> Jeezus! All I hear on this newsgroup is negativity about new
> Metallica! Someone want to tell me what all the fucking whining is all
> about??? Whaaa...They cut their hair...Whaaa...They changed their
> logo...Whaaa...They aren't heavy
> anymore...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa...Whaaa!!! What the FUCK! You all sound
> like a bunch of fucking babies in a crib! If you don't like the way they
> look, then don't fucking look at them! Jeezus! Besides, if you base a
> group simply by the way they look, you are a fucking reject anyways that
> knows little about real music in the first place! Want to know something
> else...? If you don't like what you've heard of the new recording, don't
> fucking buy it!!! I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there who'll enjoy
> the new album regardless of what the band looks or sounds like. Metallica
> is going to be here for a long time, whether you Metallibabies like it or
> not. And here's another thing... For all of you out there who say that
> Metallica has denied their Metal roots and aren't Metal anymore...Well,
> take another listen. I think the new cd is quite good. Sure, it's no
> Master or Justice or Lightning, but all of that has been done before!
> Metallica have grown up and so has their sound. Just because they don't
> play 1,000 miles an hour anymore (as heard on the Black album) doesn't
> mean that they've lost a single inch of ground in heaviness. Well, I know
> some people are going to hate this message and some people are going to
> agree with it. Bottom line is this: if you want something faster and
> heavier, go listen to something else!(Or start your own fucking band for
> I have everyone of Metallica's CD's(except for Garage Days). I love
> everysong of their's, whether it is Creeping Death, ...And Justice for
> All, Enter Sandman, or Hero of the Day! They are a great band! If you
> don't like the new Metallica, don't buy it! I bought the new CD the
> first day it came out, and no, I didn't like as much as I liked ...And
> Justice for All. But the main word in that sentence is didn't. That
> means in the past. I like just as much as I like Kill Em' All or Ride
> the Lightning or Master of Puppets! A "real" fan is loyal. You might
> get ripped off, but that doesn't matter! 680,000 people bought "Load"
> the first week! If you wanna go run to another band and dub yourself
> loyal, that's okay, cause a real fan is a fan who sticks through their
> band's slumps, just like in sports! So you have you're opinion, just
> don't post anything if you aren't part of the fans.
I have every CD including garage days on cassette. (it seems one must
justify his level of commitment to metallica before posting on this
newsgroup). i wouldn't waste my time on this newsgroup if they weren't
a great band. i bought the CD at 00:01 on June 4. I like the fucking
CD. It's the best thing released this year, and hell I am going to buy
it. Don't tell me that just because I was dissapointed with the
commercialism not to buy it. It seems that most everyone on this
newsgroup likes to dichotomize themselves into opposing poles: load
sucks v. load rules. I characterize myself as: Load is a good
commercial album, but I don't expect this from Metallica. I expect
Metallica to put out music first, and see how it sells, and not
consider sales at a board meeting with Electra before stepping into the
studio. (If you don't think they did this, you are a little naive).
Don't give me this "real fan is loyal" crap. I don't need that shit.
A real "person" is one who continually observes and comments about the
changes that take place around him. Questions motives. Looks at
influencing factors. The world isn't all black and white to a "real
person," if I may say so, to an intellectual. I listen to Metallica
because they are the only contemporary group whose music I can stand
because it doesn't reek of Velveeta, and write lyrics with which I can
identify.
So, I naively assumed that others who were fans of Metallica's could
appreciate an objective critique, on the basis of musicality and
quality of composition juxtaposed to obvious commercial influence. If
you don't see the influence of commercialismm on their songwriting, you
are blind! They didn't switch to 5:00 radio-friendly singles because
that was the "mature" thing to do. They did it because it will get
played. Any commercial radio station is not going to play "Puppets,"
however great a song it is, because it's over eight minutes long. The
attention span of the average listener just isn't that long, and you
can't fit as many ads in an hour if you play songs that long. I work
at my college radio station. I know. I get shit everytime I try to
squeeze some old Metallica into the 5 minute block radio format. To
see the sudden marketability of Metallica is sickening. No one in
radio knows Jack Shit about music, only about popular song and
marketability.
So don't tell me I'm not a "real fan." I am first and foremost a
thinking individual, a conscious consumer, and a Metallica Fan. I love
Metallica. I love good music. I even like Load. I just feel the need
to comment on the obvious commercial influences present in the
songwriting which a thinking objective individual who has done his
homework and 'sees' cannot possibly deny. Please read my post: "The
Definition of Selling Out." I don't feel I need to make that argument
twice.
Jeremy
> i thought i was the only one that got chills down my spine from their
> older songs. One, Fade, Master, Sanitarium, Orion, and Chtulu are all
> songs that have given me the chills depending on the situation and how
> i was listening to them and what i was thinking about.
>
> good news tho, the other day i was driving on a long drive and
> relentlessly playing load on my stereo to really get a deep feel for
> the album. Mama said came on and skeptical as usual i started
> listening to the song again. but i guess i had heavy thoughts on my
> mind this day because i really listened to it in a different way than
> usual. i really thought about what he was saying, how he was
> literally pouring his heart out on the table for everyone to view.
Finally! thanks for adding wonderful, well thought out contribution to
this newsgroup!
It is poetry man. THat song speaks to me! I have been driving a lot
recently, and the only metallica I have on cassete (my car hasn't been
upgraded to digital technology yet) is justice. I have been listening
to that over, and over, even though load is in my cd player at home.
(I have yet to get my lazy ass to tape it). "And Justice for all" Is
my favorite song on the album. The time changes from 6/8 to 4/4 are
gorgeous, and the lyrical content is superb.
Although, speaking of chills, I had the most amazing dream the other
night. I dreamt I was conducting a symphony orchestra through "To Live
is To Die" Fucking insane! I wish there was some way of recording
that dream. The high strings were plucking out the acoustic part, the
low strings bowing out the chord progression (1 and... 3 and 4 and 1
and... etc) , the percussion carried by the timpani mostly, and an oboe
solo for the high, melodious guitar solo. it was fucking incredible!
possibly the best dream ever, me up there on stage in a tux conducting
a symphony orchestra through one of the greatest compositions ever.
(standing ovation, of course).
You like the unintelligible sea of distortion and screaming that was the
last half of FBD (excluding Planet Caravan) and nearly all of the "Great
Southern Trendkill" compared to the cool riffs and vocals on Cowboys,
Vulgar, and the first few songs on FBD (5 minutes Alone, Broken)?
I don't know how.
Enlighten me.
tom c
Maybe I'll stick my rude little nose in here. Unintelligible? People say
that about deathmetal. Pantera wasn't deathmetal, and the screaming on the
parts you mentioned does get a ltitle tiring after a while, but the Great
Southern Trendkill was awesome, as was Driven and Vulgar. All of it, except
for Planet Caravan, but as Phil said, if I don't like it, don't fucking
listen to it. And I don't.
This doesn't belong here at all. But Pantera rules. Cowboys gets old.
Psycho Holiday is extremely old. Cemetary Gates and Primal and Shredding
are never old, but the other songs are....old. I mean over-old.
Although the very beginning of Heresy still puts me in a fit of
ecstacy (well...)
Chryz
Shit! I love that part too! Too bad the rest of the song isn't as good.
Why couldn't they have put that part at the beginning of Message In
Blood or Domination? It doesn't seem worth putting Heresy on a mix tape
when I'm only doing it for that first 20 secs...
: Chryz
- DeViL BeN
"Turn on the radio! Naw, fuck it, turn it off!"