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Master of Puppets rocks, And Justice for All sucks. Anyone agree?

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Nick

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Mar 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM3/30/96
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Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
comments?

Nick

RHarrin102

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I agree that Master of Puppets is a better album than AJFA but AJFA
does'ne suck. Dome other good tracks on AJFA are Blackend and AJFA

Parasite

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I agree with you. I think 'Justice' is way over-rated. Compared to the
diversity of Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, 'Justice' is
bland and dull. The songs you mentioned are the ones that stand out to
me. I don't see anything too special about 'Blackened,' the title
track, or 'Harvester of Sorrow.' I mean, I enjoy listening to it, but I
don't think it's anywhere near the standards set by their previous
albums.

=Parasite

Steven G. Berg

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Mar 31, 1996, 3:00:00 AM3/31/96
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I agree completely. And justice for all is pretty boring. No,
Extremely. Master of Puppets is one of the two best Metallica albums


Nick

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RHarrin102 wrote:
>
> I agree that Master of Puppets is a better album than AJFA but AJFA
> does'ne suck. Dome other good tracks on AJFA are Blackend and AJFA

Yea. I guess your kinda right. No Metallica alblum sucks. It's just that
AJFA is close to being least favored on my Metallica alblum fav list.

Nick

Nick

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Steven G. Berg wrote:
>
> I agree completely. And justice for all is pretty boring. No,
> Extremely. Master of Puppets is one of the two best Metallica albums


Finally. Someone who agrees with me. What do you think is the other best
albums? (I'm guessing Metallica.)

Nick

Michael B. Daley

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Apr 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/1/96
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In article <315F63...@compunet.net> Nick <nmul...@compunet.net> writes:
>From: Nick <nmul...@compunet.net>
>Subject: Re: Master of Puppets rocks, And Justice for All sucks. Anyone agree?
>Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:01:12 -0800

>Nick
I like them both but MOP is the best!

Daniel Findley

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Apr 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/2/96
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Nick (nmul...@compunet.net) wrote:
: Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
: was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced.

coolest, yes. Heaviest, no

: I also think that And Justice for All... sucked out the ass.

really?

: The songs where to long, fast and repetitive.

And people pick on met cause they are likely to have shorter songs on the
new album. Can they win?

: The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the

: last one (damn forgot the name again).

forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't To Live Is To Die about 10+ minutes
long? And didn't One go for about 8 minutes? (Someone stole my copy a
couple of years ago, so I haven't got the exact lengths).

: Dost anyone agree with my comments?

No. AJFA was met's heaviest album so far IMHO. sure MOP was heavy, but
it was wierd heavy. For sheer blow your bass speakers and rumble the
ground value AJFA wins. I myself prefer the "spooky" heavy songs like
Sanitarium, The thing that should not be and Lepper messiah that MOP
featured to the in your face bassfests of AJFA. Mind you, Harvester of
sorow kicks butt!

Wooz

: Nick

Brian Haugen

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Apr 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/2/96
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In article <315E1C...@compunet.net>, nmul...@compunet.net says...

>
>Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of
Puppets
>was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
>for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
>repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
>last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
>comments?
>
>Nick

I definitely don't think ...and justice for all sucked but I agree that
it is for me their less good album. I believe the sound quality sucks. I
love "one" "and justice for all" though. Dyers eve, blackened and
harvester are cool too.

A for my favorite? I still haven't decide between "Ride", "Master" and
TBA. But I have a feeling the next one will really rule.

Brian


wie...@epsilon.nl

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Justice is much better than anything Metallica ever did..!!!
PS The song is called Dyers Eve


ThE MaD CoW!!!

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On 2 Apr 1996, Daniel Findley wrote:
>
> AJFA was met's heaviest album so far IMHO. sure MOP was heavy, but
> it was wierd heavy. For sheer blow your bass speakers and rumble the
> ground value AJFA wins. I myself prefer the "spooky" heavy songs like
> Sanitarium, The thing that should not be and Lepper messiah that MOP
> featured to the in your face bassfests of AJFA. Mind you, Harvester of
> sorow kicks butt!

There are different types of heavy, but I think I see where you're going
with this. I would disagree about what you say about the power of the
bass on AJFA. There is hardly any and if you boost your bass to a decent
level, your volume is too high that it distorts it to mushy, "whoomps"
that are very annoying to these ears. What you are hearing is
your speakers being strained to their limits in trying to create
bass when in fact there isn't much to work with. Bassfests? Hardly. I was
disappointed with the apparent lack of bass on Justice. That is my only
complaint about an otherwise excellent album! I mean, this is what they
wanted, and I respect that. But I still dig what the songs had to offer
in other respects...

_________________________________________________________________

Jameson Calantoc <jj...@axe.humboldt.edu> B-) <--- turn your head sideways!


Jon Patil

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Apr 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/2/96
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IMO, _Master of Puppets_ track by track was consistantly good and
their true masterpiece. Thre were a few tracks on _Justice_ that
could have been cut down i length (especially the title track!)
, the production was terrible, so dry and sterile.. However the
album did feature their most complex work ever (Blackened, Shortest
Straw, Dyers Eve), as well as some more experimentations Harvester of
Sorrow and One which paved the way for some of the songs on the TBA.

The TBA in my opinion was a branch off from Justice where they solved
their production, song length problems. I can't believe people slag that
album.. tell me one thing wrong with:

The God That Failed
Don't Tread on Me
Holier Than Thou
Of Wolf And Man
Through The Never
Struggle Within
My Friend Of Misery

These tracks I think would be more repsected had they not released
a video and overplayed them:

Wherever I May Roam
Enter Sandman
Sad But True
Unforgiven

Only, Nothing Else Matters, could be slagged in my opinion if your really
closed minded.. but then again, who else truely sounds like them in this
ballad mode? (aside from the fact there is no heavy guitars)..and don't
try to tell me Bon Jovi or Extreme, cause it sounds nothing like that.
The subject matter could be taken so many ways in the lyrics.. I think
they covered their asses well on this one, and were looking for this
reaction.

And now people are complaining about them sounding alternative? If they
sound so alternative now.. tell me two things:

1) which track(s) made you think this
2) show me one band that sounds like this

ThE MaD CoW!!!

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On 2 Apr 1996 wie...@epsilon.nl wrote:

> Justice is much better than anything Metallica ever did..!!!

Does this mean that if Justice is better than anything Metallica ever did,
then Metallica never did Justice?

Am I just misunderstanding you? Help me understand...

Nick

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It seems that we share the same opinions on all of this. I think you've come
closest to the reason AJFA sucked. It sounds DRY as you put it. TBA was
pretty cool. What pissed me off, was the fact that so many preps and stuck up
assholes started playing it because they think it was cool and would aid them
in there race for the most popular person. I would just like to kick those
people's teeth in. Asides from that all the songs you mentioned are like you
said. They really overplayed Enter Sandman. I'm about sick of it now. I
really like Nothing Else Matters. I know it's soft, but it really shows how
they feel (or what they want us to think) Anyway, even the heaviest metal
head needs to take a breather.


Nick

Nick

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Daniel Findley wrote:
>
> Nick (nmul...@compunet.net) wrote:
> : Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets

> : was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced.
>
> coolest, yes. Heaviest, no
>
> : I also think that And Justice for All... sucked out the ass.
>
> really?

Yea. For Metallica at least. It's definatly my fave (as you can see:)


>
> : The songs where to long, fast and repetitive.
>
> And people pick on met cause they are likely to have shorter songs on the
> new album. Can they win?

After all the replies I've finally put my finger on what made it so bad. It
wasn't the speed, length, or repetitiveness. It seemed dry and the recording
sucked.

> : The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the


> : last one (damn forgot the name again).
>

> forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't To Live Is To Die about 10+ minutes
> long? And didn't One go for about 8 minutes? (Someone stole my copy a
> couple of years ago, so I haven't got the exact lengths).

Explained in the above reply paragraph.

> : Dost anyone agree with my comments?
>
> No. AJFA was met's heaviest album so far IMHO. sure MOP was heavy, but


> it was wierd heavy. For sheer blow your bass speakers and rumble the
> ground value AJFA wins. I myself prefer the "spooky" heavy songs like
> Sanitarium, The thing that should not be and Lepper messiah that MOP
> featured to the in your face bassfests of AJFA. Mind you, Harvester of
> sorow kicks butt!
>

I have to disagree. I think that there was to much trebble in AFJA and that
MOP was deeper. What kind of system do you listen to AJFA on?

Nick

Nick

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wie...@epsilon.nl wrote:
>
> Justice is much better than anything Metallica ever did..!!!
> PS The song is called Dyers Eve

Thanks for that last song. You know my opinion on AJFA so why repeat it?

Nick

Thanks for you comments.

Robert Brogan

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Apr 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/3/96
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wie...@epsilon.nl wrote:
: Justice is much better than anything Metallica ever did..!!!
: PS The song is called Dyers Eve

I wouldn't go so far as to say much better, its just ahead of MoP.
Justice has lousy sound quality going against it. The songs are not catchy
either, they take a coupla listens to get used to. MoP has four
masterpieces of metal, but overall AJFA is better. It has 4 songs of
comparable (MoP, Sanitarium, Heroes, Orion vs. Blackened, One, Harvester,
TLitD), and the other 5 are excellent, a better package than MoP's 4. As
for the album being boring, repetitive, too fast, too long, all untrue.
AJFA has excellent lyrical content (Eye, AJFA, etc.), plenty of riffs,
good solos, the best drumming of any Metallica album, and a distinct
sound unlike any other metal album. Listen to it again and again, you'll
learn to like it, and when you do like it, listen to it again and again.

Rob

Robert Brogan

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ThE MaD CoW!!! (jj...@axe.humboldt.edu) wrote:
: On 2 Apr 1996, Daniel Findley wrote:
: >
: > AJFA was met's heaviest album so far IMHO. sure MOP was heavy, but
: > it was wierd heavy. For sheer blow your bass speakers and rumble the
: > ground value AJFA wins. I myself prefer the "spooky" heavy songs like
: > Sanitarium, The thing that should not be and Lepper messiah that MOP
: > featured to the in your face bassfests of AJFA. Mind you, Harvester of
: > sorow kicks butt!
Good point, Harvester does kick.
: There are different types of heavy, but I think I see where you're going
: with this. I would disagree about what you say about the power of the
: bass on AJFA. There is hardly any and if you boost your bass to a decent
[stuff deleted]
: complaint about an otherwise excellent album! I mean, this is what they
: wanted, and I respect that. But I still dig what the songs had to offer
: in other respects...
Perhaps he had a remastered version? I think I remember there being talk
of a remastered version of Justice where someone said that the bass was
much better. Can anyone say for sure? Perhaps the bass was audible and
the drums sounded heavier people would better understand what a great
album it is.
: Jameson Calantoc <jj...@axe.humboldt.edu> B-) <--- turn your head sideways!

Rob


Robert Brogan

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Jon Patil (pat...@newton.tuns.ca) wrote:
[stuff]
: their production, song length problems. I can't believe people slag that

: album.. tell me one thing wrong with:

: The God That Failed
Nothing
: Don't Tread on Me
Nothing
: Holier Than Thou
Sounds fucked up : "No more crap rolls out your mouth again.", "You-know-not"
"Who are you? Where ya been? Where ya from?"
: Of Wolf And Man
Sounds pretty cool, but the "shape-shift, earth's gift" part sounds lame.
: Through The Never
Main riff gets on your nerves but the "On-through-the-never" part is
somewhat cool
: Struggle Within
Begins awesome then turns into one of metallica's worst songs. Too stop ansd
go, lame lyrics,"Reaching out for something ya got to feel? Wh-wh-what the
hell?"
: My Friend Of Misery
Nothing spectacular, good song.
: These tracks I think would be more repsected had they not released


: a video and overplayed them:

: Wherever I May Roam
: Enter Sandman
: Sad But True
: Unforgiven

I agree
: Only, Nothing Else Matters, could be slagged in my opinion if your really


: closed minded.. but then again, who else truely sounds like them in this
: ballad mode? (aside from the fact there is no heavy guitars)..and don't

I agree,
: And now people are complaining about them sounding alternative? If they
They don't know what they're talking about. TBA is a decent album, it
simply pales in comparison to MoP and AJFA, still it has some very good
songs.


George T

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Granted Blackened and SHortest Straw are great tunes, but no one who
has studied music could say they are more complex than MOP and Orion,
to name a couple. Musically, MOP was far and away their most complex
work (the whole album, i mean, as compared to the other albums). As
for that dry feeling of AJFA, i kinda think that's one of the things
that makes the album cool - Frayed Ends of Sanity and other stuff on
there fit in perfectly with that mood. The only problem with the
production was that you could hardly hear the bass, and some songs do
tend to drag out a bit. Having the jap version w/ the Prince improves
the album too :)

gtt


wuiejeuue

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Although Justice was indeed worse than the previous releases..I wouldnt
say that it "sucked out the ass!" I would rerserve that phrase for the
black album. That definitely sucked out the ass! I mean what the hell??
did the gang wake up one morning and say "let's fuck with all of our true
fans who like it fast and furious" what possessed songs like Unforgiven
and Nothing Else Matters. Mid life crisis?? or was it the quest for ther
almighty dollar...to produce something mainstream in order to cash in on
the market???
I pray to god that this new album (although I fear the worst will actually
occur) is something like the ones before Black.
Of course ill buy it...cuz it is METALLICA!! but they better get back to
their roots and make stuff that kicks - not licks - ASS

In article <315E1C...@compunet.net>, Nick <nmul...@compunet.net> wrote:

> Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets

> was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
> for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
> repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
> last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
> comments?
>
> Nick

Iwan Currie

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Apr 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/4/96
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Nick <nmul...@compunet.net> writes:
> Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
> was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
> for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
> repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
> last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
> comments?
>
> Nick
>
No way Jose, Puppetz & Justice Kick ass, I thought Lightning
was'nt so good.

And with an E-Name like mine, can u disagree!!!!


Stefan G Kaczmarek

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I like all Metallica's albums to some degree, but I think that Puppets and
Lightening are the two better ones. Justice was okay, but the snare drum
fucking bugged the hell out of me on that album. Other than that, I
though Justice was pretty cool. Newsted hates it because all he did was
play over the guitar parts, so maybe that says something, too. I
personally love the ten minute, epic songs that Metallica used to put out.
They all kicked ass! It's sure much better than some of the mainstream
stuff that goes I-IV-V-IV-I over and over and over again. It's been done
before, and it will be done again. I just hope that Load has some really
long, complex fuckers on it.

Just look at Orion & To Live Is To Die. They are huge, epic sounding
songs, and they're awesome! No words needed to get in the way of the
music...that's what I like.

That's all. Can't wait till June 4th! (It's about fucking time, too!)

- The ZoNiE :)

Stefan G. Kaczmarek
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
kacz...@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~kaczmasg/

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Mike Keast

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In article <447cc$17103...@news.aspen-internet.net>,

Iwan Currie <san...@cccp.net> wrote:
>Nick <nmul...@compunet.net> writes:
>> Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
>> was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
>> for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
>> repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
>> last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
>> comments?
>>
>> Nick

I disagree, Justice is amazing...it is IMHO the greatest metal album ever
released.

Mike Keast
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario, Canada

5th horseman

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I love justice but the biggest problem with it is the lack of bass in the
mix. To me puppetz, lighnting, AND TBA all had audible bass. I think if
Justice was re-mixed or re-recorded it would be the ultimate Metallica
album, even better than puppetz (this from someone who thinks that
puppetz is the superior to the two albums now). The riffs and drumming
on AJFA are fucking awesome.

tom c

Daniel Wajnperlach

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Apr 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/8/96
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On 2 Apr 1996 20:01:05 GMT, Jon Patil <pat...@newton.tuns.ca> wrote:

>IMO, _Master of Puppets_ track by track was consistantly good and
>their true masterpiece. Thre were a few tracks on _Justice_ that
>could have been cut down i length (especially the title track!)

Yes I agree, but anyway I like AJFA very much. I think that this
album specialy was the divisor in their carreer. After Burton's Death
and on the AJFA release, they became comercial (releaseing videos,
playing their songs on radios worldwide)

IMHO the best music on the Album is Blackened. and AJFA. (in this
order)


>The TBA in my opinion was a branch off from Justice where they solved

>their production, song length problems. I can't believe people slag that
>album.. tell me one thing wrong with:

>The God That Failed


>Don't Tread on Me
>Holier Than Thou
>Of Wolf And Man
>Through The Never
>Struggle Within
>My Friend Of Misery


Of the quoted musics, "Of wolf and man" and "Don't tread on me" are
preety fine. The rest is not so good.

>These tracks I think would be more repsected had they not released
>a video and overplayed them:

>Wherever I May Roam
>Enter Sandman
>Sad But True
>Unforgiven


These tracks are respected anyway man, because they are masterpieces.
If you ask anyone that don't know Metallica so well what music do
he/she likes, I'm sure they'll say: "Enter Sandman" or "Sad but True"
or either the Unforgiven.

>And now people are complaining about them sounding alternative? If they

>sound so alternative now.. tell me two things:

>1) which track(s) made you think this
>2) show me one band that sounds like this

I Think "2 by 4" is very diferent to all they did up till now. If
you pay attention, they are alternative to themselves. The Metallica
that played on Kill'em all is not the same Metallica that played on
AJFA, for instance. And is not the same Metallica that played "2by4".

Daniel Wajnperlach (dwa...@ibm.net)

Daniel Wajnperlach
dwa...@ibm.net


Synthasium

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I agree. If Justice were remixed, it probably would be the best
Metallica album. That's when they were at their height of their musical
complexity, something that made them stick out among other metal bands,
before they decided that they didn't want to work for a living and wrote
their incredibly simplistic self-titled album.

CT

Philip Ware

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dwa...@ibm.net (Daniel Wajnperlach) wrote:
> Yes I agree, but anyway I like AJFA very much. I think that this
>album specialy was the divisor in their carreer. After Burton's Death
>and on the AJFA release, they became comercial (releaseing videos,
>playing their songs on radios worldwide)

AAAAAARGH! Metallica did NOT become commercial with the release of
AJFA!!! They became commercial the minute they set foot in the studio
in 1982. The whole idea of selling music is commercial!! EVERY BAND
DOES IT! That's what they DO! To not be commercial is to be like me,
or any other guitarrist/drummer/bassist that doesn't have a band that
bums around the flat recording every once in a while in hopes that
someday we, too, can be COMMERCIAL and make money doing what we love!

Off soap box,

Phil


Jordan Rosenberg

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Apr 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/9/96
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Brian Haugen wrote:>
> A for my favorite? I still haven't decide between "Ride", "Master" and
> TBA. But I have a feeling the next one will really rule.
>
> Brian

Hell yeah, Brian. FInally a positive sounding message on this group.
This is the Metallica group isn't it. We formed this group to talk about
our favorite band, not rip them to pieces. LOAD will be incredible. No
doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Jordan Rosenberg

Jordan Rosenberg

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Apr 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/9/96
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Daniel Findley wrote:
Mind you, Harvester of
> sorrow kicks butt!
>
> Wooz
>
> : Nick

Yeah, it kicks some major ass when you hear it live. It's is probably
the second best live song after one. But, on the record I didn't really
like this song. Shitty production is the thing that crippled AJFA.
Luckily it is being rereleased in a remastered form. I bet we'll see it
in stores alongside LOAD.

Jordan Rosenberg

Jordan Rosenberg

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George T wrote:
Musically, MOP was far and away their most complex
> work (the whole album, i mean, as compared to the other albums).

Wrong you are! AJFA is most definitely more complex than any of
Metallica's albums. To Live is to Die is probably the most complex song
they have, followed by the title track. But, complexity does not make it
my favorite. Puppets is definitely my favorite.

Cindi Talbert (PSY)

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Apr 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/10/96
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I have been an avid METALLICA fan since kill em all was still destined to
be 'metal up your ass', and i must say that 'nothing else matters' and
'unforgiven' are every bit as good as previous tunes, they are just
slower... i wouldnt call it selling out, just progressing with the
times.(in case you havent noticed, all the metal greats like, judas
priest, iron maiden, motley crue, & the ORIGINAL van halen, have all gone
by the wayside. Metallica still tops the charts with awesome tunes, and
has outlived the dying metal era, and is moving to an alternative status.
tal...@luna.cas.usf.edu


On 3 Apr 1996, wuiejeuue wrote:

> Although Justice was indeed worse than the previous releases..I wouldnt
> say that it "sucked out the ass!" I would rerserve that phrase for the
> black album. That definitely sucked out the ass! I mean what the hell??
> did the gang wake up one morning and say "let's fuck with all of our true
> fans who like it fast and furious" what possessed songs like Unforgiven
> and Nothing Else Matters. Mid life crisis?? or was it the quest for ther
> almighty dollar...to produce something mainstream in order to cash in on
> the market???
> I pray to god that this new album (although I fear the worst will actually
> occur) is something like the ones before Black.
> Of course ill buy it...cuz it is METALLICA!! but they better get back to
> their roots and make stuff that kicks - not licks - ASS
>
> In article <315E1C...@compunet.net>, Nick <nmul...@compunet.net> wrote:
>

Keefaz

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Apr 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/10/96
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Okay... I agree that ...And Justice For All was shit, but that was to be
expected - Cliff had died, Jason Newkid comes in and tries to fill his
shoes! Now Jason is a good bassist, but there's no way he could fill in
for Cliff Burton's songwriting input.

And I do disagree with what everyone's saying about the Black album, yeah
the songs are generally slower than Kill 'em All's or Master of
Puppets'... But as SONGS (not just fast guitar) they're better! I said
the same about the Black album for a long time, but then realised that it
IS a good album.

Anyway whatever happens the new album'll be good, and the gigs'll be even
better - now THAT's the proper place for fast thrash not at home on your
stereo!!!
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Kee...@spuddy.mew.co.uk
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Emerson Calender

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Apr 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/11/96
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On 10 Apr 1996, Keefaz wrote:

> Okay... I agree that ...And Justice For All was shit, but that was to be
> expected - Cliff had died, Jason Newkid comes in and tries to fill his
> shoes! Now Jason is a good bassist, but there's no way he could fill in
> for Cliff Burton's songwriting input.

Keith, I disagree with the above-stated reason. I think Jason would have
to be stupid to try to fill Cliff's shoes; no one could ever have done that
because Cliff was very unique. But Jason is also unique. He pretty much
ran Flotsam And Jetsam in the same way that James and Lars run Metallica.
I think it was very brave of him to accept the bass slot. It was also quite
admirable of Jason to accept his somewhat diminished role in Metallica.
Jason has been putting up with lots of slag from uncaring fans and from
the rest of Metallica (which I believe was a case of trying to cope with
Cliff's death). It seems that up until recently, everyone views Jason as
the New Kid. There hasn't been a lot of press about the IR8 demos, but
they and Jason's other side projects were a bone of contention in the
Metallica camp. I would contend that his activity in projects other than
Metallica were ways to express himself and his frustration. It's not
that he can't write worth didly, but that the band couldn't accept his input.
And now with this album, Metallica seems to be doing something different
internally, and I'm quite sure that you will see more of Jason's
contributions to the record. And Kirk is doing rhythm work on the
record! Now this I gotta hear! I say It's about time James and Lars
loosened up and make Metallica a group thing rather than the "Lars and
James show"!

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Psy-Q

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Apr 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/11/96
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>
> > Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
> > was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
> > for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
> > repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
> > last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
> > comments?
> >
> > Nick

Last track? You mean Dyer's Eve.

Anyway, did I do the wrong thing again? A couple of years ago, I saw Enter
Sandman on TV and I liked it pretty much, so I bought the album. As Europe
is being flooded with Techno and Rave (Not forgetting those wussies.. wait
a sec.. oh yeah, Take That) it's hard to see metal on TV. Last month I
bought ...And Justice for All after hearing One for the first time. Is
there anything cooler than Justice? Is Master of Puppets really that
great? I don't think that I can get albums older that the black one here
(Techno, as I mentioned above) so if Master is really that great, can you
give me the URL, phone # or address of a cool mail order house you know?

Thanks!

brandon of borge

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Apr 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/12/96
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Psy-Q (rcah...@spin.ch) wrote:
: Anyway, did I do the wrong thing again? A couple of years ago, I saw Enter

: Sandman on TV and I liked it pretty much, so I bought the album. As Europe
: is being flooded with Techno and Rave (Not forgetting those wussies.. wait
: a sec.. oh yeah, Take That) it's hard to see metal on TV. Last month I
: bought ...And Justice for All after hearing One for the first time. Is
: there anything cooler than Justice? Is Master of Puppets really that
: great? I don't think that I can get albums older that the black one here
: (Techno, as I mentioned above) so if Master is really that great, can you
: give me the URL, phone # or address of a cool mail order house you know?

master of puppets is probably the most popular metallica album (excluding
tba, which was diverse enough to appeal to a helluva lot of people). it
has strong political, as well as ethical, messages, and the songs are
performed with an incredible amount of emotion--bitterness, anger,
resentment, among others. all of the songs on it have a "feel" to
them--they all seem connected because the music just has a kind of...i
don't know, spooky air about it, i guess. as a side note, this was
actually the first metallica album i bought, and i did so without even
any of the songs on it (if you actually care why, email me). i am so glad
i did, too, because it kicks ass!

ride the lightning is also very popular. i consider it to be their
heaviest album, and i also think it has the most bass of all their albums.
it's a must-have album, in my opinion.

kill 'em all, their first album, is also good, even though you can detect
the inexperience on the part of the members (they were only about eighteen
at the time). i don't think it's as much of a "must-have" album, but its
sheer speed makes it my first choice for music when i'm driving the five
hours between home and school.

CyBorge
--
"the more you read the more you learn. the more you learn the more you
know. the more you know the more you forget. the more you forget the
less you know. the less you know the more ignorant you are. therefore,
the more you read, the more ignorant you are."

mdb

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Apr 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/17/96
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And now for someone completely indifferent:

>>
>> > Just thought I would express my opinion. I thought that Master of Puppets
>> > was the heaviest, coolest alblum produced. I also think that And Justice
>> > for All... sucked out the ass. The songs where to long, fast and
>> > repetitive. The only tracks I liked was One, To Live is To Die, and the
>> > last one (damn forgot the name again). Dost anyone agree with my
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Nick

>Last track? You mean Dyer's Eve.
>

>Anyway, did I do the wrong thing again? A couple of years ago, I saw Enter
>Sandman on TV and I liked it pretty much, so I bought the album. As Europe
>is being flooded with Techno and Rave (Not forgetting those wussies.. wait
>a sec.. oh yeah, Take That) it's hard to see metal on TV. Last month I
>bought ...And Justice for All after hearing One for the first time. Is
>there anything cooler than Justice?
> Is Master of Puppets really that great?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes it is. Their best, in fact.

> I don't think that I can get albums older that the black one here
>(Techno, as I mentioned above) so if Master is really that great, can you
>give me the URL, phone # or address of a cool mail order house you know?

>Thanks!


"We never say,'Who's going to get this?'.
We always say,'The right people will get this.'" -Joel Hodgson

I have become one of the wrong people.

)7( ;] ) 13


NINE-teen-FIFTY-five!

Lisa Eileen Duffey

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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I agree with you that Master of Puppets was a cool album, but I also
liked And Justice for All, although when it is compared with mop, it does
kind of suck. You're right, though, Dyers Eve is one of the best songs
on that album.

Lisa

greeni...@gmail.com

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Yeah Metallica became Selloutica when Cliff Burton passed away God bless hism anything that Selloutica tried to mfg after Cliff Burton is fn garbage
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