Dawn Patrol and The God That Failed?
The ANAL INVADER
: Nope, Dave Mustaine, that nasty devil, he must have... heard a...
: Metallica demo! That's what he did. Then he ripped it off before they
: could put it out! The dirty rat. <snort>
: Bryan VanDyke @ Northwestern University
Yeah, whatever. What shit is that?! Metallica fuckin' ripped
off Megadeath! You guys are such losers to not see the truth.
If Jamyz is such a good song-writer, how come he can't come up
with an original song? Not only does he steal MegaDave's riff
but he makes the song a standard anti-Christian song, something
that every fucking metal group has done. The Black album shows
how low Metallica has gone. Even Victory is better than this shit
(and Victory is a pretty fuckin' stupid song)! At least Dave steals
riffs from bands with their permission (i.e. DiamondHead's The Prince).
Let's face it, Dave Mustaine rulz!!!
- THE ANAL INVADER
Lost in the snow
: Please read this with an open mind: The God Thjat Failed is NOT
: anti-christian...it was written from a personal experience Jaymz had as a
: child. His parents were devout Christian Scientists, and his mother
: developed cancer...due to her religious beliefs, she chose prayer over
: medicine and subsequently died. THAT is what the song is about..his mother
: believing her faith would heal her, and it not doing so...
: Look at songs like Creeping Death, taken directly from the bible story of
: the passover (Moses, and the Pharoh...) Metallica is NOT anti-semetic, nor
: anti-Christian.
Good call
Buttsurfer
Lost in the snow
And don't forget Four Horsemen
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Buttsurfer
BASS78
The bass lines are completely different.Surprise!!!!!
God that failed is played a full step higher and in a completely different
progression then Dawn Patrol.(Dawn Patrol is much better though)
Christopher D Anderson
If the song was written about Jaymz' mother's death, (and I am sure that
is one of the main reasons) then why isn't he the least bit remorsefull.
The song is dark and is targetted at Jesus and Christian faith rather
than at his mother's personal beliefs and her death. The song seems to
attack any
belief that Jesus can in fact heal people:"The healing Hand held back by
the deepened nail". Jaymz also seems to make a mockary of Jesus on the
cross and how God the Father failed to save him. That is the impression I
get. Whether this is "anti-Christian" is for people to decide. As for me,
I think Jaymz believes in God but completely doubts the motives and
intentions of the Christian faith (ie Leper Messiah) He may even believe
in Jesus But he sure as hell doesn't believe God is perfect. God cannot
be perfect if he fails.
Shiny
"Cheer up, FUCK!" Jaymz (Seek-Binge and Purge)
Metalgdess
your anger and resentment lead to? He was only about 11 when this
happened....still very young and impressionable, and at an age where mom
still is one of the mostfocused aspects of the universe. On his christmas
wish list this year in the Club mag, So What, Jaymz wished: "That there
was no such fucking thing as cancer" so, obviously, the whole thing still
weighs heavly on his mind.
craig_lewis
brv...@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Bryan VanDyke) writes:
> In article <EjC0tne00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, Benjamin F Cushing
> <nyarla...@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Hey you guys,
> > Anyone out there notice the similarities between
> > Dawn Patrol by Megadeth and The God That Failed? The funny
> > thing is that RIP was out a year earlier than the Black
> > Album so I guess Metallica ripped of this one...
Both songs start with bass, but that's about all. There's virtually NO similarity!!
There are closer ones than that, which you've probably realised, but I'll
mention them anyway..
Four Horsemen and Mechanix are virtually identical, but mechanix is faster.
Call of Ktulu and the intro to Hangar 18 use the same riff.
Cheers,
Craig.
vp24...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
generall. I am Catholic and I don't find anything in Metallica's lyrics to be
anti-christian.
>
THE MAN
[lots of bullshit deleted]
: Jason Doscher
: direct all flames, comments, etc to :fsj...@aurora.alaska.edu
: or just post it here for all to see..I don't mind. :)
: "The healing hand, held back by the deepened nail"
: Metallica, "The God That Failed"
: "The more seriously I took things,
: The harder the rules became."
: Meagdeth, "A Tout Le Monde"
^^^^^^^^
I've never heard of this band. Did they cover the MEGADETH song, "A Tout Le
Monde"? Wait a minute! I forgot. You're an idiot because you couldn't
spell Megadeth right. And in your fucking sig too. Man, so many fuck ups on
this damn newsgroup. I mean, you couldn't even make the standard spelling error like Megadeath. I mean, what kind of a dick quotes a group and can't fucking
spell their FUCKING name right!!! Buy a clue.
Please send check or money order to:
BUY A CLUE
5102 Elkton Hall
College Park, MD 20742
Remember, the correct spelling of your favorite groups are:
METALLICA-not Mettalica, Metalica, or Metalicca
MEGADETH-not Megadeath, [and the new mispelling] Meagdeth
And before I forget, here is the real reason I am responding:
You're just fooling yourself. The God That Failed and Leper Messiah
are both anti-Christian songs. You're trying to convince yourself that your
enjoyment of Metallica does not compromise your religion, when in fact it does.
If Metallica was so fucking pro-Christian, then why the hell would they release
these songs that so obviously portray Christians in a negative light.
Get real man. Crawl out of your mother's hole and buy a clue (see above).
:)
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:)
Morten Nicolaj Pedersen
>Yeah, whatever. What shit is that?! Metallica fuckin' ripped
>off Megadeath! You guys are such losers to not see the truth.
>If Jamyz is such a good song-writer, how come he can't come up
>with an original song? Not only does he steal MegaDave's riff
>but he makes the song a standard anti-Christian song, something
>that every fucking metal group has done. The Black album shows
>how low Metallica has gone. Even Victory is better than this shit
>(and Victory is a pretty fuckin' stupid song)! At least Dave steals
>riffs from bands with their permission (i.e. DiamondHead's The Prince).
>Let's face it, Dave Mustaine rulz!!!
I have to agree with you on Megadeth not ripping of Metallica. Let's face it,
RIP came out prior to Black, and interviews have stated, that God that Failed
wasn't one of the first songs from Black to be written. The possibility that
Dave copied a demo of James' is non-existent. The opposite scenario in my
opinion is not likely either. Of course James might have been inspired
by Dawnpatrol, but that's far from copying it. Furthermore James would
realize the stupidity of doing something that obvious. In the end I think
it all boils down to the fact, that there is only so many ways, that you
can combine powerchords AND coincidence.
As to Metallica's alleged downfall - that's where our views differ. God that
Failed is not anti-christian. It merely expresses a boy's dissapointment in a
mother, that died on him instead of trying every possible means of cure from
cancer. Hence Metallica didn't copy a concept used be every other band in
the industry, and the never will. They have always been on the cutting
edge of fresh songwriting, and they will continue to.
--
"Hulk's butt hurts!" - Bruce Banner in Incredible Hulk #426.
Morten Nicolaj Pedersen
Department of Computer Science University of Copenghagen
E-mail: fo...@diku.dk \/ fo...@math.ku.dk
James McNaught
>Dawn Patrol by Megadeth and The God That Failed? The funny
>thing is that RIP was out a year earlier than the Black
>Album so I guess Metallica ripped of this one...
>
>
BOLLOCKS!!!!
Need I say more???
James M.
Mr. Bungle
: BOLLOCKS!!!!
: Need I say more???
:
: James M.
Sandra Bollocks is in METALLICA!!! Wow, What news!
Does anyone know anymore about this?! Is she the new keyboardist!?
Metallica must have really sold out if they're going for sex-appeal!
:)
- The Anal Invader
Morten Nicolaj Pedersen
[Rude stuff about misspelling deleted]
First I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read some friendly sarcasm into
your post, but to no avail. That post was simply unnessecary rude. So what
if someone makes at spelling error, it's no big deal, and if it annoys you
why don't you drop the person in Q a friendly mail drawing his att. to
the problem.
What you got to remember is, that most people on the net don't speak
english as their first language... Give us a break!
>And before I forget, here is the real reason I am responding:
> You're just fooling yourself. The God That Failed and Leper Messiah
>are both anti-Christian songs. You're trying to convince yourself that your
>enjoyment of Metallica does not compromise your religion, when in fact it does.
>If Metallica was so fucking pro-Christian, then why the hell would they release
>these songs that so obviously portray Christians in a negative light.
>Get real man. Crawl out of your mother's hole and buy a clue (see above).
>
Metallica don't portray Christians in general in a negative ligth. Lepper
Messiah is about the "pay to pray"-mentality of some TV-preachers (like
Maiden's "Holy Smoke" and Phil Collins "Jesus he knows me" (I think), and as
it has been stated God that Failed is about James' hurt when his mother died.
Morten Nicolaj Pedersen
>Morten Nicolaj Pedersen (fo...@diku.dk) wrote:
>: Of course James might have been inspired
>: by Dawnpatrol, but that's far from copying it.
>Oh, yeah, sure! I'm sure MegaDave was "inspired" by DiamondHead's The
>Prince, but that's far from copying it. Get real.
>- The Anal Invader
Your comparison doesn't apply here since Dave was permitted by Diamond Head
to copy The Prince (which Metallica recorded too).
James S
Errrrm, do you have some sort of problem understanding lyrics????
Leper Messiah is targeting those pseudo-christian Tele-Evangelists who
are just out to make a quick buck. "...make your contribution and you'll
get the better seat... Lie Lie Lie Lie..." (or similar). I can find no
anti-christian message in the song, it simply despises the hypocritical
attitude of these people.
And before you write back and start shouting abuse; I am a Christian, so
I guess I'm in a fairly good position to see if its insulting myself, and
I really can't say it does. This point applies to 'The god that failed'
as well. Some groups have these beliefs about no-medicine, which is just
not supported by Christianity. Luke, who wrote two of the main books in
the Bible was a doctor! For that reason, I do not see the song as
offensive. It is merely trying to make a point about these groups.
James
(as a footnote, don't take me as saying that God doesn't have the power
to heal. My sister was knocked over in a road accident, and should have
died. Yet somehow she survived. 200 people in my church were praying
for her to recover and she did. I have heard similar stories. Judge for
yourself)
Noel Bovens
> belief that Jesus can in fact heal people:"The healing Hand held back by
> the deepened nail". Jaymz also seems to make a mockary of Jesus on the
> cross and how God the Father failed to save him.
I think he's just trying to say that if you expect that "God" will
heal you literally, and that if you die it's because "He" wants you to, "He"
will fail.
The word "God" has a different meaning for everyone, but no one can really
completely understand and know for sure what "It" exactly is. James seems
to deny that people should think that whatever happens to them is the will
of "God" and they shouldn't do anything against it. I think I agree with
him.
Herman Bovens
University of LEUVEN - Psychology Noel....@psy.kuleuven.ac.be
Tiensestraat 102 B3000 LEUVEN tel. 32-16-28.61.63
--
John Buttery
> that every fucking metal group has done.
So, what you're saying is that every single metal group's singer
has had his/her mother die from a disease that medicine could have
cured, but s/he chose faith healing and died? Boy, what a coincidence!
I didn't know that one!
Christopher D Anderson
: Leper Messiah is targeting those pseudo-christian Tele-Evangelists who
: are just out to make a quick buck. "...make your contribution and you'll
: get the better seat... Lie Lie Lie Lie..." (or similar). I can find no
: anti-christian message in the song, it simply despises the hypocritical
: attitude of these people.
: And before you write back and start shouting abuse; I am a Christian, so
: I guess I'm in a fairly good position to see if its insulting myself, and
: I really can't say it does. This point applies to 'The god that failed'
: as well. Some groups have these beliefs about no-medicine, which is just
: not supported by Christianity. Luke, who wrote two of the main books in
: the Bible was a doctor! For that reason, I do not see the song as
: offensive. It is merely trying to make a point about these groups.
: James
I know that Leper Messiah is an attack on Tele-Evangelists and maybe my
opion on the song is a bit too radical. But regarding the God that Failed
I have to ask the question of who Jaymz is attacking in the song. His
mother's belief or Jesus' power to heal? I would argue that the song is
more of an attack on Jesus than on his mother. Some may argue that it is
an attack on Christian Scientists and I might agree with that. But unless
one studies the motives and history of the song, the song can easily be
seen as an attack on Christianity whether it was intended or not. Taking
the song for face value, which many people do, can lead to the
interpretation of the song as being anti-Christian. The verse, "the
healing hand held back by the deepened nail" is aimed at attacking
Jesus' divine powers. If this verse is about Jaymz' mother than I must be
looking at the wrong song.
Shiny