Kirk Hammett SUCKS!!!!!
Vexor
<386D30EF...@surfree.net.il>...
>
> And Kirk is excelent guitar-player. I am not saying he is better than
Marty,
> but I am not saying Marty is better than Kirk too. I heared both of the
> bands A LOT (they are my 2 favourite bands), and they both play good.
> Maybe you think that Kirk sucks because there is usually only 1 solo in
> Metallica's songs, but I bet than he can play all the Megadeth stuff too!
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This "excellent quitar player" has
trouble playing HIS OWN solos live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SamboraHammett
recordings, and the only person that ever so trouble is Lars...so
shhhhhh...kirk rules
SATAN
Marty friedman isnt worth kirk hammetts left nut
Megadeth has no talent at all
and metallicas songs usally have more than 1 solo
not just 1
James Boswell
> Megadeth has no talent at all
> and metallicas songs usally have more than 1 solo
> not just 1
I sincerly hope that was a troll..
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Nicholas Delonas
In article <I7cb4.49$H7....@sandstorm.neo.rr.com>, ve...@neo.rr.com
says...
> This "excellent quitar player" has
> trouble playing HIS OWN solos live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Solos are improvised if you didn't know.
> Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
You may not like what he does, but he can definitely play well.
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Ronnie Long
>I sincerly hope that was a troll..
No, it isn't a troll. BTW, isn't the world supposed to be over now or
something?
Jon Melbo
<del...@cultv.com> wrote:
>> Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
>> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
>
>You may not like what he does, but he can definitely play well.
You suck also then. Kirk is really not a very good guitarist. Marty
Friedman on the otrher hand, is definately well above avaerage.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <386e22e...@news.ds.centuryinter.net>,
ssil...@centuryinter.net says...
> You suck also then. Kirk is really not a very good guitarist.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I studied music at Berklee College and have been playing the electric
guitar for decades. Kirk is an excellent rock player.
> Marty
> Friedman on the otrher hand, is definately well above avaerage.
I'm not familiar with his playing.
If you'd like to discuss this further, you'll have to elevate your posts
at least beyond the moronic. Otherwise I won't bother with you.
EvilCarlos
Not all guitarists improvise their solos. Some guitarists actually take the
time to create a solo that matches the feel of the music and practice that solo
before recording it. Randy Rhoads used to do that.
James Boswell
> guitar for decades. Kirk is an excellent rock player.
He fucks up _constantly_ (to the point where they've been dropping him in
the mix to mask it)
And he doesn't exactly write anything interesting..
Oh yeah, and he's a piss poor 'rock' player.. and a really fucking CRAP
metal player..
Wow.. you can play a scale with triplets!11!1.. your GOD!1!1!1!1!!
I'm sure Berklee is ripping off it's students....
> I'm not familiar with his playing.
He's Megadeth's lead guitarist (and has been since 'Rust In Piece')
Try listening to some of the solo's on Countdown To Extinction.
James Boswell
> BTW, isn't the world supposed to be over now or something?
Yeah, unfortunetly.. um.. it seems to have.. not ended..
James Boswell
Uh.. Kirk's solo's are _NOT_ improvised..
hell, the nightly 'solo' he does is exactly the same everytime....
Then again, Kirk _does_ improvise.. in a new and innovotive fashion.. it's
called "FUCKING UP"<tm>, thereby making the solo 'different'
> I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
Compared to who?.. the guys from KoRn?
Certainly not compared to... ooh
Marty Friedman
James Murphy
Al DiMiola
John Petrucci
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
(the above two are technically excellent, although a bit 'dead' feel wise
IMO)
Glenn Tipton
_ALL_ of those players make Hammett seem as sad and Pathetic as he really
is..
Hell, Hetfield would make him look pathetic if he bothered to play lead more
often :P
> You may not like what he does,
You mean to say I don't like mindless scale shredding with WAAAY too much
wah and some triplets thrown in....
Astounding..
> but he can definitely play well.
You know, I had someone on ICQ trying to convince me that the Backstreet
boys had talent...
"THeIr ReALy GoOd.. aNd I SHoUlD Kn0W.. I cAn PlAy BEeTHoVen On mY
GuITaR!1111!11!!!1!!!!!11"
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Murphy what a shit !!
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Mark Zedaker
<rug...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >I sincerly hope that was a troll..
>
>
> No, it isn't a troll. BTW, isn't the world supposed to be over now or
> something?
It *is* over already. It'll just take some time for people to notice.
Ronnie Long
James Boswell wrote in message <84la3j$j7c$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> No, it isn't a troll.
No, a two-headed, knife-wielding grippoli!!!
Ronnie Long
oooooh.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84la3i$j7c$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Kirk is a crap guitarist, end of story..
Not true.
> He fucks up _constantly_ (to the point where they've been dropping him in
> the mix to mask it)
How do you know they're doing that?
> And he doesn't exactly write anything interesting..
This is purely a matter of opinion and yours is the opinion of an idiot.
> Oh yeah, and he's a piss poor 'rock' player.. and a really fucking CRAP
> metal player..
Not true.
> Wow.. you can play a scale with triplets!11!1.. your GOD!1!1!1!1!!
>
> I'm sure Berklee is ripping off it's students....
Perhaps, but I know far more about music than you do or ever will.
> > I'm not familiar with his playing.
> He's Megadeth's lead guitarist (and has been since 'Rust In Piece')
>
> Try listening to some of the solo's on Countdown To Extinction.
How good he is is irrelevant to this conversation.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84la3k$j7c$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> Marty Friedman
> James Murphy
> Al DiMiola
Kirk is a far better player than Al, IMHO.
> John Petrucci
> Steve Vai
> Joe Satriani
> (the above two are technically excellent, although a bit 'dead' feel wise
> IMO)
I don't think Satriani has a dead feel at all. I agree about Vai.
> Glenn Tipton
>
> _ALL_ of those players make Hammett seem as sad and Pathetic as he really
> is..
> Hell, Hetfield would make him look pathetic if he bothered to play lead more
> often :P
It's a matter of preference. I prefer some of these guitarists myself.
> > You may not like what he does,
> You mean to say I don't like mindless scale shredding with WAAAY too much
> wah and some triplets thrown in....
> Astounding..
His playing fits the band.
> > but he can definitely play well.
>
> You know, I had someone on ICQ trying to convince me that the Backstreet
> boys had talent...
They probably do.
SamboraHammett
bullshit, if they didn't like his playing, they would get rid of him..kirk is a
Great guitar player, one of the best, and now you will make this great comeback
to me, something like, you also suck. Kirk never screws up, like you say he
does, and he improvises a lot, but always keep all solos similar. Kirk is
better the Marty, Megadeth is a pussy ass spinoff of metallica, that never
amounted to anything, and they did sell out, it just did not work..MEGADETH
blows, but hey, they got to play on nitro, weeeee!!!!!!!!!
SamboraHammett
yeah, okay...hahahahaha, and metallica would not keep a sucky guitarist..all of
you people are just so negatuve, makes me wish the world did end..damn
James Boswell
playing is
> bullshit, if they didn't like his playing, they would get rid of him..
get rid of him..
Lars fucks up a lot as well.. has Hetfield dumped him?....
>kirk is a Great guitar player
No he isn't, he's an average guitarist with good PR..
> and now you will make this great comeback
> to me, something like, you also suck.
I never fall back on name calling..
> Kirk never screws up, like you say he does,
I've HEARD him screw up..
Hell, there's overdubs on S&M to replace parts of his leads...
> and he improvises a lot, but always keep all solos similar.
Don't confuse true improvisation with covering a mistake by adding an extra
note..
they are _NOT_ the same thing..
> Kirk is better the Marty,
NO
As a composer, I can say.. without ANY doubt, that Marty is superior to
Kirk....
James Murphy makes both of em look silly tho'...
> Megadeth is a pussy ass spinoff of metallica, that never
> amounted to anything,
But that's not relevent to how good the guitarists in the band are.. is it
now...
> and they did sell out, it just did not work..MEGADETH
> blows, but hey, they got to play on nitro, weeeee!!!!!!!!!
Megadeth sold out, as did Metallica..
So that arguement is kinda pointless..
(It's also irrelevent to the technical skills of the guitarists IN the
bands)
Compare ...And Justice For All and Rust In Piece..
THEN try telling me Hammett is better than Friedman...
You won't..
wanna know why?..
You WILL be blown away by his lead work on that album...
(Oh yeah, and if Megadeth (and, presumably Dave Mustaine) suck so much, why
didn't Hetfield get Kirk to write new solo's for about half the songs from
KEA and RTL?...)
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James Boswell
What exactly IS it about Hammett's playing you like so much?
> It's a matter of preference. I prefer some of these guitarists myself.
It's also a matter of how technically proficient they are..
It's one thing to like a guitarist, and to recognise that he is actually a
BAD guitarist, but to enjoy what they do anyway..
it's another thing to say "he's G00D11!11!!11!!1!!1!11", no matter how
terrible he actually gets..
> His playing fits the band.
You mean it's boring and predictable, just like the rest of the band?..
<grin>
> They probably do.
.....Just not musical talent
<evil grin>
James Boswell
And a solo will start..
...You'll hear Kirk make a mistake..
and suddenly he'll go to about 60% of the volume he was at....
Either HE is dropping the volume on his guitar (possible)
or the soundboard operators are dropping him in the mix...
OR the tapes I've been getting are dodgy.. (unlikely, since the rest of the
band stays at the same level)
> This is purely a matter of opinion and yours is the opinion of an idiot.
Oooh.. don't like message.. so you'll attack the messenger.. how AMAZINGLY
mature....
> Not true.
Matter of opinion :P
(hey, if your allowed to use that get out of all free card.. then SO AM I
damnit)
> Perhaps, but I know far more about music than you do or ever will.
Since you don't know what I do and don't know about music, then your hardly
qualified to make that statement =)
(fyi, I'm currently studying music at A level, as well as taking Piano and
violin lessons weekly, I also fuck around with guitars as a sideline thing)
> > Try listening to some of the solo's on Countdown To Extinction.
> How good he is is irrelevant to this conversation.
It's ENTIRELY relevent..
it gives perspective to how 'good' Hammett is...
To someone who doesn't know ANY chords, or theory or anything.... Kurt
Cobain is a good guitarist.. (I'm of the opinion that he was crappy and
sloppy as fuck, but put a lot of feel in what he DID do..)
You my friend, need to have a conversation with Fullsize when he
reappears...
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Nicholas Delonas
In article <84lmho$53s$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> What exactly IS it about Hammett's playing you like so much?
It's not that I like it so much. I'm not a Metallica fan, but I do
recognize that he's a good player.
> It's one thing to like a guitarist, and to recognise that he is actually a
> BAD guitarist, but to enjoy what they do anyway..
> it's another thing to say "he's G00D11!11!!11!!1!!1!11", no matter how
> terrible he actually gets..
If you're saying his playing has deteriorated in recent years, I can't
comment on that. I don't follow the band. When I did listen his playing
I thought it was good.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84lmhp$53s$2...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> (fyi, I'm currently studying music at A level, as well as taking Piano and
> violin lessons weekly, I also fuck around with guitars as a sideline thing)
I've gone a lot further than merely fucking around. Someone said that
musicians think Kirk sucks, and this is not the case as evidenced by my
post and another guitarist's.
> > > Try listening to some of the solo's on Countdown To Extinction.
> > How good he is is irrelevant to this conversation.
>
> It's ENTIRELY relevent..
No it isn't. Music isn't like a sporting event.
> it gives perspective to how 'good' Hammett is...
This is linear thinking and really not applicable to music.
> To someone who doesn't know ANY chords, or theory or anything.... Kurt
> Cobain is a good guitarist.. (I'm of the opinion that he was crappy and
> sloppy as fuck, but put a lot of feel in what he DID do..)
Putting a lot of feel into what he did matters FAR more than anything
else. Some of the very worst players are the shredders.
LJ
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James Boswell wrote in message <84la3k$j7c$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> Solos are improvised if you didn't know.
>Uh.. Kirk's solo's are _NOT_ improvised..
>
>hell, the nightly 'solo' he does is exactly the same everytime....
>
>Then again, Kirk _does_ improvise.. in a new and innovotive fashion.. it's
>called "FUCKING UP"<tm>, thereby making the solo 'different'
>
>> I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
>Compared to who?.. the guys from KoRn?
>Certainly not compared to... ooh
>
>James Murphy
>Al DiMiola
>Steve Vai
>Joe Satriani
>(the above two are technically excellent, although a bit 'dead' feel wise
>IMO)
>
>_ALL_ of those players make Hammett seem as sad and Pathetic as he really
>is..
>Hell, Hetfield would make him look pathetic if he bothered to play lead
more
>often :P
>
>
>You mean to say I don't like mindless scale shredding with WAAAY too much
>wah and some triplets thrown in....
>Astounding..
>
>
>You know, I had someone on ICQ trying to convince me that the Backstreet
>boys had talent...
>
>GuITaR!1111!11!!!1!!!!!11"
>
>
>--
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> else. Some of the very worst players are the shredders.
Ah, but some of the very finest are the shredders as well ;P
(I'll get around to responding to the rest later, right now I've got an coda
to compose)
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- James Boswell | ICQ #: 1653327
James Boswell
> comment on that. I don't follow the band. When I did listen his playing
> I thought it was good.
Was being the OPERATIVE word..
he was 'good' (nothing particularly special, but adequate) up to about
1990.. then his playing went DOWNHILL _real_ fucking fast...
When I'm talking about any guitarist (cept dead ones :P), I'm generally
refering to the way they play NOW.. =)
And right now, Hammett is comedy... <grin>
James Boswell
> musicians think Kirk sucks, and this is not the case as evidenced by my
> post and another guitarist's.
Point 1:
How many of those 'guitarists' were actual guitarists.. not just people who
own guitars?
(when it comes to guitars, I'm somewhere in the middle, I know WHAT I'm
doing.. I'm just not doing it particularly well.. the way my fingers are
'wired up' is more suited to a piano)
> No it isn't. Music isn't like a sporting event.
Depends on the angle you look at it from...
It's entirely possible for people to support a team they KNOW is bad..
(think about it)
> > it gives perspective to how 'good' Hammett is...
> This is linear thinking and really not applicable to music.
If your talking from a technical perspective, it's entirely relevent...
Feel is a different kettle of fish (although most of the 'feel' in the leads
on Load/Reload is boredom.. that's the dominating emotion on those albums.)
Question: What makes the difference between a GOOD pianist and an EXCELLENT
one?
..
hmm, hang on.. I'll reword that..
What is 'feel' ?
My take on 'feel' in playing (I'll use piano as my 'demo' instrument in this
example.)
Right, I'll use Tori Amos as my example, a LOT of people find a LOT of
emotion in her playing, and yet, there are concert pianists who can play
rings (and squares.. and rectangles :P) around her.. so..
What makes her (subjectively) better?
the answer? (imfho of course), minute differences in timing.. small enough
so that we don't hear them directly simply because our brains don't operate
fast enough.. but enough to effect us.
Well, that's my take on it anyway....
> Putting a lot of feel into what he did matters FAR more than anything
> else. Some of the very worst players are the shredders.
heh...
About 3-4 months ago, I had almost the exact mirror of this discussion with
Fullsize :P
The conclusion that I used in my final statement is..
"It's entirely possible to LIKE something that isn't good" (well, I'm not
totally sure if that's the exact wording I used)
and I still stand behind that statement...
np: The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84lr8h$uvc$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> And right now, Hammett is comedy... <grin>
Hmmm. Again, I haven't heard him lately.
I will say that guitarists have their ups and downs just like everybody
else. I'll also say having been able to play well even once is an
accomplishment.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <mdub4.81004$Ym1.1...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>,
lviel...@pdq.net says...
> Eddie Van Halen is better than any of them in my oponion.
Meaning you like his playing the most.
Bacon
Nicholas Delonas wrote:
> In article <I7cb4.49$H7....@sandstorm.neo.rr.com>, ve...@neo.rr.com
> says...
> > This "excellent quitar player" has
> > trouble playing HIS OWN solos live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Solos are improvised if you didn't know.
*Some* solos are improvised. Most are either painstakingly worked out,
or at least closely follow a theme. Unless you have the luxury of
playing in a band known and appreciated for improvisation (The Grateful
Dead for example), you are playing for a crowd who wants to hear a note
for note rendition of the recorded solo. You can get away with some
noodling, but the hooks better be intact. For most of us, in performance
settings at any rate, improvisation is the art of graceful recovery.
>
>
> > Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
> > SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
30+ years of experience here. Kirk is a very good player.
>
>
> You may not like what he does, but he can definitely play well.
That he does. Personally I think Hetfield is better (the measure of a
player entailing far more than technical prowess).
Bacon
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84lrnk$v9b$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> Point 1:
>
> How many of those 'guitarists' were actual guitarists.. not just people who
> own guitars?
I'm definitely somewhere in the middle myself and I do not consider
myself to be a great player. But I can and do play reasonably well.
You can hear my playing at http://www.cultv.com/ironia/ if you can listen
to MP3 format.
> > > it gives perspective to how 'good' Hammett is...
> > This is linear thinking and really not applicable to music.
> If your talking from a technical perspective, it's entirely relevent...
I disagree. Technical competence means nothing to me. There are truck
loads of technically competent players out there who turn out nothing but
crap.
> What is 'feel' ?
Exactly! That's why such comparisons are foolish. It's all a matter of
preference.
> What makes her (subjectively) better?
It's purely a matter of preference.
> "It's entirely possible to LIKE something that isn't good" (well, I'm not
> totally sure if that's the exact wording I used)
>
> and I still stand behind that statement...
Absent some kind of teleological directive, "good" is merely a statement
of subjective preference. Thus, it is illogical for a person to like
something that is not good. To them, it is good.
I withdraw the idiot comment though. Your replies have been more
reasoned than your over-the-top/hyperbolic start.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <386E7A05...@ipanic.com>, stu...@ipanic.com says...
> Unless you have the luxury of
> playing in a band known and appreciated for improvisation (The Grateful
> Dead for example), you are playing for a crowd who wants to hear a note
> for note rendition of the recorded solo.
Egads! A fate worse than death.
> That he does. Personally I think Hetfield is better (the measure of a
> player entailing far more than technical prowess).
Not familiar with him.
Thingfishhhh
<Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > It's a matter of preference. I prefer some of these guitarists myself.
> It's also a matter of how technically proficient they are..
Maybe. Personally, i go with what I like. My personal all-time faves are
Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy. Not technically
brilliant, ala Vai or Petrucci or Satriani, but they played, to my ears,
beautifully. Check out "Live and Dangerous" - a lot of it (there are
some *goofs* in there) was redubbed, but they DID play that well live, I
saw them in London in the late 70's.
Look at Schencker - live, he was/is sloppy. But does that mean he was
*less* of a guitarist and musician than someone who can play note for
note very time?
Or look at Slash - live, he's one of the sloppiest guitarists around,
something he personally admits. A lot of his work live (and in the
studio) is sheer gibberish, technically speaking. But it *sounds* good,
to a lot of people. Petrucci, even Kirk can blow his doors off
technically. But I still like to listen to his work.
I know some people rate players by their accuracy and their technical
prowess, and I have nothing wrong with that, I just disagree, as it
locks you off from hearing a LOT of musicians, and simply *enjoying* the
music. Live performance is one thing, studio work is another. Some
people don't do well in one setting, but are brilliant in the other. You
could name hundreds, if not thousands of people who would fit this list.
There are a few rare individuals who are brilliant in both areas, but
the other musicians should'nt be judged as "lesser" players for their
lack of "perfection" - you're setting them up to standards that are
close to being impossible to achieve.
Let's be honest here - LaBrie's vocals on the live album are *horrible*
compared to his studio work, and the time I saw them on the Images and
Words show here in SF he *sucked*. Maybe it was a bad night, but he was
red-faced and visibly making a huge effort to hit a lot of the notes,
and failing most of the time. (The rest of the band was brilliant, even
with Petrucci almost falling on his ass during a solo when he tripped on
his effects board...). But I still *like* LaBrie's vocals a lot, and
think highly of him. Some people just don't stack up live, and are
better in the studio. Maybe he's one of them. But I still like his
singing voice more than most of the singers out there, in the studio.
As for Kirk Hammett, my take is this: I met the guy several times,
backstage and at "biz" events. Nice enough guy, too dumb to pound sand
with a hammer (Call me what you will, but I do notice people's
intelligence) and he used to play very well live and in the studio, but,
sadly, like Eddie Van Halen and others, he's been repeating himself for
years. Metallica' music doesnt have the underground "shock" to it
anymore, and it's mainstream, and it's boring. Personally, I think they
all have gotten lazy, as they have nothing to fight for anymore. This is
the band that sold something like 300,000 copies of Master Of Puppets
with little or no radio play, and very little label support. Now that
they're #1 in the field,and sell millions automayically, they seem to me
to be laying back and sucking up the cream. There's no fire there
anymore, not like they had with Puppets or Justice.
Thingfishhhh
<Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I studied music at Berklee College and have been playing the electric
> > guitar for decades. Kirk is an excellent rock player.
> Kirk is a crap guitarist, end of story..
Oh, c'mon, he's not THAT bad. :) Compare and contrast to the two inept
and laughable players in Slayer, or the guy in Limp Bizkit. Kirk may not
go down in history with the Eddie Van Halens, the Vais, or the
Petrucci's, but he's heads above a lot of the "players" out there.
Red Russian
perhaps cos "his own" solos were even played by him in the studio?
No, that was Kirk alright. Where you gonna find a worse guitar player than
that in all of metal?
Red Russian
> > Marty Friedman
> > James Murphy
> > Al DiMiola
>
> Kirk is a far better player than Al, IMHO.
Sorry, Nic, but regardless of how much you like Kirk - to claim that he is
in FACT a 'far better guitarist' than Al DiMeola is ludicrous and seriously
undermines your Berklee credibility (if there is such a thing...). Al may
not have a metal feel but he could play anything Kirk plays whereas Kirk
couldn't play even 1% of what Al is capable of because he simply lacks the
playing ability. And that's a FACT you can take to the bank.
James Boswell
Uh... Hetfield is the OTHER guitarist in Metallica =)
The guy who usually plays Rythm :P
(and IS better than Kirk)
--
- James Boswell | ICQ #: 1653327
Http://www.lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk
-=-
"Your shirt is stained when
your wear your heart on your sleeve.
So you wash it off and pretend
it was never there" - Faith No More
Larry M Vielhaber
my favorite group followed by Metallica
Nicholas Delonas wrote in message ...
>
>In article <mdub4.81004$Ym1.1...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>,
>lviel...@pdq.net says...
>> Eddie Van Halen is better than any of them in my oponion.
>
>Meaning you like his playing the most.
>
Dan
>Compare ...And Justice For All and Rust In Piece..
>
>THEN try telling me Hammett is better than Friedman...
>You won't..
any decent riffs to solo to you're fucked. And 'Justice' has the best
riffs of all
Nicholas Delonas
> for note rendition of the recorded solo.
Egads! A fate worse than death.
> That he does. Personally I think Hetfield is better (the measure of a
> player entailing far more than technical prowess).
Not familiar with him.
--
Warden
>
> In article <84la3k$j7c$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> > Marty Friedman
> > James Murphy
> > Al DiMiola
>
> Kirk is a far better player than Al, IMHO.
What exactly is the basis of this opinion?
Dave
--
"Music appears in the world despite
the music industry, not because of it."
-Robert Fripp
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84m0sr$2nb$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> Uh... Hetfield is the OTHER guitarist in Metallica =)
I *told* you I wasn't a fan. ;-)
SonicJam
Ronnie Long wrote in message <84l6er$ai8$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>>I sincerly hope that was a troll..
>
>
>No, it isn't a troll. BTW, isn't the world supposed to be over now or
>something?
>
>
Funny you mention it, as my Outlook Express posts are mostly dated by
mm/dd/99, but the newest ones are dated 1/1/00. Geez, I guess Outlook
Express doesn't run the world.
arattle
Nicholas Delonas
In article <Thingfishhhh-75E5...@news.swbell.net>,
Thingf...@yahoo.com says...
> Maybe. Personally, i go with what I like. My personal all-time faves are
> Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy.
Not Gary Moore? He was a great player too.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84m022$3afa$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
peace...@anarchy.net says...
> Sorry, Nic, but regardless of how much you like Kirk - to claim that he is
> in FACT a 'far better guitarist' than Al DiMeola is ludicrous and seriously
> undermines your Berklee credibility (if there is such a thing...).
It depends on what you mean by "better." Playing like a machine is not
playing "better."
> Al may
> not have a metal feel but he could play anything Kirk plays whereas Kirk
> couldn't play even 1% of what Al is capable of because he simply lacks the
> playing ability. And that's a FACT you can take to the bank.
There's a subtlety to music that belies this argument. My computer can
play any line more perfectly than Al or any human for that matter. Does
that mean my computer plays better? No, it does not.
Dimeola is really a terrible player. I will admit, I do like "Race with
the Devil" and a couple other of his tunes where his machine-like
technique fits the mood of the song, but in general, his playing is
pretty lifeless.
He's the penultimate soulless technician, beat out only by Yngwie in his
later years.
Keith Richards was a better guitarist than either of these guys -- a much
better guitarist. At least his playing had some soul.
Some of my own favs:
Jeff Beck, John McLaughlin, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Pat Metheny, Steve Morse,
Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Allan Holdsworth, Danny Gatton, and many
others.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <386EA436...@flashcom.net>, dav...@flashcom.net says...
> What exactly is the basis of this opinion?
Listening carefully.
Just because something is hard to do, doesn't mean it's any good.
Chris Brkich
Jon Melbo wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:28:03 -0500, Nicholas Delonas
> <del...@cultv.com> wrote:
>
> >> Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
> >> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
> >
> >You may not like what he does, but he can definitely play well.
>
> You suck also then. Kirk is really not a very good guitarist. Marty
> Friedman on the otrher hand, is definately well above avaerage.
Feh... both Megadeth and Metallica suck... if you want really,
tried-and-true metal, you have to get into the imported scene. Start
listening to Opeth and In Flames, and you'll never go back to Metallicrap
and Megadork.
Chris Brkich
> I'm sure Berklee is ripping off it's students....
>
> > I'm not familiar with his playing.
> He's Megadeth's lead guitarist (and has been since 'Rust In Piece')
>
> Try listening to some of the solo's on Countdown To Extinction.
>
> --
> - James Boswell | ICQ #: 1653327
> Http://www.lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk
> -=-
> "Occasionally I think about doing something to change my situation,
> but where am I going to get hold of a Stealth bomber?" - Daria
Countdown to Extinction was a shite album... any two year-old could learn
the solos on that piece of monky garbage. Solos? Please... I could fart
better music than that.
Chris Brkich
> Certainly not compared to... ooh
>
> Marty Friedman
I swear to God, if I hear about Marty Friedman once more before someone with a
modicum of musical intelligence mentions Mikael Akerfeldt or Jesper Stromblad,
I'll vomit.
Larry M Vielhaber
Chris Brkich
Nicholas Delonas wrote:
> In article <386E7A05...@ipanic.com>, stu...@ipanic.com says...
> > Unless you have the luxury of
> > playing in a band known and appreciated for improvisation (The Grateful
> > Dead for example), you are playing for a crowd who wants to hear a note
> > for note rendition of the recorded solo.
>
> Egads! A fate worse than death.
Any tosser who goes to a music concert expecting to hear note for note for
note replication of a recorded tune is going to be disappointed. Vocals tune
differently; anyone who's seen Metallica play live knows that, YES, they
improvise, because they want to show their fans that they can actually make
shit up on the spot that actually sounds half decent...
Ronnie Long
>'wired up' is more suited to a piano)
god dammit, I knew it!!!!!! you're a fucking keyboarder!! god damned
keyboarding hippie.
Red Russian
It depends on what you mean by "better." Playing like a machine is not
playing "better."
Not, it's not. However, there are players whose style is very basic,
exclusively pentatonic, such as Angus Young from AC/DC, and they can be just
as great as a 'machine' like DiMeola. However, Kirk Hammett is one of those
players who is not very good at playing even simple things. He's sloppy -
and not in a cool Keith Richards way - has an underdeveloped sense of
phrasing (to put it mildly...), and hides behind his wah pedal. Kirk was
lucky to be in the right place at the right time when he inherited the
Metallica gig from Dave Mustaine otherwise he'd be flipping burgers right
now (since his writing is even less developed than his playing...).
Dimeola is really a terrible player. I will admit, I do like "Race with the
Devil" and a couple other of his tunes where his machine-like technique fits
the mood of the song, but in general, his playing is
pretty lifeless.
DiMeola is anything but a soulful player, I'll agree with that. However,
that's clearly not his objective - he is a technician first and foremost -
and he's one of the best in that regard. So how can you call him a
'terrible player'? You may not like his style, but the man has A LOT of
ability. Kirk Hammett has very little in terms of (technical) ability and
I've never heard anyone remark how blown away they were by either his tone,
phrasing or feel. Kirk is adequate for Metallica - which ain't saying
much - and that's about it.
He's the penultimate soulless technician, beat out only by Yngwie in his
later years.
To compare Al to Yngwie in terms of soul and feel is completely off-base.
They ONLY thing Yngwie has in common with Al is his speed picking technique,
especially on the acoustic. Yngwie actually has great feel and vibrato for
a guy who goes 100 mph almost all the time.
Keith Richards was a better guitarist than either of these guys -- a much
better guitarist. At least his playing had some soul.
Again, you're making a ridiculous statement. Yes, his sloppiness and basic
approach work well for the Stones, and the guy has obviously co-written some
truly classic songs, but he's really a pretty shitty guitar player. Take
Keith out of his environment and watch what happens - he'd be lost because
he knows nothing about guitar beyond your basic chord progressions.
> Some of my own favs:
>
Jeff Beck, John McLaughlin, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Pat Metheny, Steve Morse,
Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Allan Holdsworth, Danny Gatton, and many others.
Those are great players, but I think it's very hypocritical of you to call
Al DiMeola a soulless machine and a 'terrible player' because the 'soulless
machine' part applies to McLaughlin, Metheny, and Holdsworth as well. None
of those guys are feel players - they're great technicians.
I have an affinity for both kinds - technicians and feel players. Ideally a
guitarist has an equal amount of both and guys like Michael Schenker, Gary
Moore, Uli Jon Roth, Eric Johnson, or Roy Z do who are some of my favorites.
Mal P
Metallica. These days anyway. Then again, two decades ago in the 80's,
Metallica were a less of an abboration than Megadeth.
--
Cheerio,
Mal
"James Boswell" <Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:84koeq$k6r$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Marty friedman isnt worth kirk hammetts left nut
> > Megadeth has no talent at all
> > and metallicas songs usally have more than 1 solo
> > not just 1
>
> I sincerly hope that was a troll..
>
>
>
Johan Berlin
Thingfishhhh skrev i meddelandet ...
>Maybe. Personally, i go with what I like. My personal all-time faves are
>Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy. Not technically
>brilliant, ala Vai or Petrucci or Satriani, but they played, to my ears,
>beautifully. Check out "Live and Dangerous" - a lot of it (there are
>some *goofs* in there) was redubbed, but they DID play that well live, I
>saw them in London in the late 70's.
Hey, what about John Sykes ?
ATB (all the best)
Johan Berlin - TIMESCAPE
**********
check out the new album "two worlds" by TIMESCAPE
if you are looking for intricate, melodic and thoughtful
music with soul.
http://listen.to/timescape
**********
The 4th Horseman
>There's no fire there
>anymore, not like they had with Puppets or Justice.
There was fire in Justice? I never knew there could be fire in elevator
music!
Justice sucks, end of story.
--
"Something inside of me
It's coming out
I feel like killing you!"
Cannibal Corpse - "Hammer Smashed Face"
"A napalm death is the worst way to go. Flaming gasoline-infused jelly soaks
into your skin and cooks you alive. Your flesh boils off the bone, your
eyeballs melt, and your brain explodes. Napalm kills. Death delivers.
Screaming won't save you because no one will hear you over blasphemous
blasts of pain and suffering." - Napalm Death biography,
http://www.earache.com
"Evil will win because good is dumb."
Shane Carey
is. On an off night, he just plain sucks.
-shane
"Nicholas Delonas" <del...@cultv.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.12d84180d...@news.prodigy.net...
>
> In article <84lr8h$uvc$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
> > And right now, Hammett is comedy... <grin>
>
> Hmmm. Again, I haven't heard him lately.
>
> I will say that guitarists have their ups and downs just like everybody
> else. I'll also say having been able to play well even once is an
> accomplishment.
James Boswell
rule like a third world dictator :P... (Dave's tended to a suck a bit tho')
--
- James Boswell | ICQ #: 1653327
Http://www.lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk
-=-
Liquid Tensions
I REALLY didn't want to get into this argument because I don't feel it's
appropriate to use my own personal experience and knowledge as a long-time
guitarist and multi-instrumentalist but this has just gone beyond a joke!!
(pardon the pun in advance...)
"Open your eyes Nicholas" - had to get that one in!! ;c)
You stated earlier in this seemingly infinite thread that you hadn't heard
Kirk Hammett's playing recently, therefore you are NOT qualified (no matter
how many decades you've been playing guitar and studying at Berklee) to
comment on how good a guitarist Kirk IS. Granted, you CAN argue how good he
WAS, but you CAN'T argue his present case until you've heard what's he's
currently capable of.
I'm NOT gonna start throwing my own accquired musical knowledge at you as an
argument, as music is as individual as we are ourselves, and it makes no
difference whether you're a trained musician that has studied at Berklee and
played guitar for decades (like yourself) or someone who can't read music,
doesn't even know scales, has no idea WHY they play what they play but just
DO because it sounds beautiful and can play MANY instruments to varied (like
myself).
Music is 100% expression. It isn't about who is better** or who can play
more notes in a shorter time frame - it's about emotion. If Kirk Hammett
can MOVE you with his playing, then he's a good guitarist in your eyes, and
that's all that matters. People's tastes change in time, as does their
playing techniques, ability, and emotive creativity - this is inevitable and
sometimes disappointing. There are many artists that have fallen by my own
personal wayside over the years because their music lost the emotion that it
used to have but that's a GOOD thing because it means that an entirely new
audience is opening up for them. Just because you don't like someone it
doesn't mean they can't play, just the same as it doesn't mean they CAN play
well just because you DO like them. It's all relative really, but
ultimately it does come down to talent at a certain degree. Yeah, Kirk must
have had SOME talent to begin with otherwise the band wouldn't have stuck by
them, but... oh what the hell.
MY personal opinion is that there shouldn't be such a thing as a bad
musician, but unfortunately I'm not yet so removed from my personal beliefs
to agree with my own statement. I HATE bad musicians, but I think that we
need them. A bad musician grows in time to become a good musician, and in
turn a great musician. Hell, like I said before - I have no idea what I'm
doing when I write. My buddies all talk about various modes, scales, time
signatures and I don't have the first idea what they're talking about. That
doesn't make me a BAD musician, but it also doesn't automatically make them
a GOOD musician just because they know what they're talking about.
Bottom line - you shouldn't use the 'I studied at Berklee' line and the
'played guitar for decades' line as an argument for how good another
musician is. It makes no difference how much you know, it all comes down to
emotive leanings and creative expression - each persons take on someone
elses talent is bound to be radically different, otherwise the planet would
be full of piss-bored people that agreed about everything all the time, but
you CAN'T base your opinion of someone's talent on how they USED to play.
People change.
Rant over! (Damn, I don't know when to stop sometimes!!!!!)
**by BETTER I mean 'technically proficient' as opposed to 'with more
feeling'.
Liquid Tensions - ICJC #0001
Founder
Regularly reads TV GUIDE
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It was once said by a great man that it was only the small man
who could fit inside a matchbox - whether or not the matchbox
was a metaphor I neither know nor care but I HATE when golk
smoke in front of me - especially when I'm naked and gluing fox
tails to my ears. Wouldn't YOU!???
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Nicholas Delonas wrote in message ...
In article <386E7A05...@ipanic.com>, stu...@ipanic.com says...
> you are playing for a crowd who wants to hear a note
> for note rendition of the recorded solo.
Egads! A fate worse than death.
> That he does. Personally I think Hetfield is better (the measure of a
> player entailing far more than technical prowess).
Not familiar with him.
--
James Boswell
> keyboarding hippie.
No, I am NOT a keyboarder (unless by neccessity)...
NOTHING beats the richness of a Bosendorfer.. NOTHING....
Chas Law
> Steve Vai
> Joe Satriani
> (the above two are technically excellent, although a bit 'dead' feel wise
> IMO)
Interesting point when you consider that Satriani was tutor to both Hammet
and Vai............but I don't agree that Kirk is sad and pathetic. I just
think that it sounds like Kirk is trying to put the Soul into his solos,
where as it comes naturally to Marty and so sounds effortless.
Having said that, the triplets thing I do agree with, especially
when Marty is so fond of putting odd number runs and progressions into his
work.
Chas
Chas Law
> Not Gary Moore? He was a great player too.
Oh yeah, Shapes of Things, yum yum.........a classic!! Especially live.
Shame that he looks on metal as idiot music now though. He made a lot of
fans through Heavy Rock. I miss that Gary Moore.
Chas
Chas Law
The 4th Horseman <satan...@you.com> wrote in message
news:iHyb4.64$kj....@sandstorm.neo.rr.com...
>
> There was fire in Justice? I never knew there could be fire in elevator
> music!
>
> Justice sucks, end of story.
>
Come to think of it, One was pretty good too.
Chas
Chas Law
you don't have to buy it, you can make your own for next to no cost at all.
Take one pair of sunglasses, (any shape will do), then with glue or sticky
tape, stick cardboard completely over the lenses. Then the next time you
come into a Megadeth newsgroup you can wear these glasses to prevent you
seeing comments about a certain guitar player. Hopefully this will help you
to retain your lunch and prevent that bitter after taste!! Zappa called them
"No D Glasses". This is self censorship, and although I appreciate that you
have your own fave axe gods, you can't blame us for talking about one that
is currently with Megadeth.
Chas
Chris Brkich <brk...@total.net> wrote in message
news:386EB658...@total.net...
The 4th Horseman
>the solos on that piece of monky garbage. Solos? Please... I could fart
>better music than that.
Here here!
pasteurized
of metal band around today?
Vexor <ve...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:I7cb4.49$H7....@sandstorm.neo.rr.com...
> The First Horseman pulled out of his ass in message
> <386D30EF...@surfree.net.il>...
> >
> > And Kirk is excelent guitar-player. I am not saying he is better than
> Marty,
> > but I am not saying Marty is better than Kirk too. I heared both of the
> > bands A LOT (they are my 2 favourite bands), and they both play good.
> > Maybe you think that Kirk sucks because there is usually only 1 solo in
> > Metallica's songs, but I bet than he can play all the Megadeth stuff
too!
>
> AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This "excellent quitar player" has
> trouble playing HIS OWN solos live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> --
> "Distorted figures walk the street, it's 1999
> Weeds once underneath your feet have grown into vines
> Bodies melted like a candle, a land without a face
> No time to change your fate, no time left, it's too late"
> Megadeth - "Set the World Afire"
>
> Find out why MTV sucks at http://members.tripod.com/~vexor/mtv/
>
> Remember, you've got to FIGHT for what you believe in.
>
>
SamboraHammett
really has, he is more jazzy now, and i do know what im talking about unlike
most of these idiots...and on many live cds now hammett hits all the old solos
fine, and all this turning the volume down crap is bullshit..maybe hammett had
a bad night or something..WELL HE IS VERY GOOD
Red Russian
If Kirk Hammett sucks, why is he playing for the most well known, well heard
of metal band around today?
What does that have to do with ANYTHING?! There are thousands of guitar
players that make Kirk look like the lunchmeat that he is and they'll never
even get a record deal.
Van Gogh never sold one painting during his lifetime and he's universally
acknowledged as one of the most brilliant painters to ever walk this earth.
If artistic ability was a prerequisite for fame, acclaim and the almighty $
and how to generate a whole bunch of it - don't you think the musical
landscape and what the masses get exposed to would look significantly
different?
I'm not saying Metallica wouldn't be where they are, but one thing is for
sure - Kirk H. and his guitar playing had very little to do with their rise
to the top.
Thingfishhhh
Delonas <del...@cultv.com> wrote:
> In article <Thingfishhhh-75E5...@news.swbell.net>,
> Thingf...@yahoo.com says...
> > Maybe. Personally, i go with what I like. My personal all-time faves are
> > Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy.
>
> Not Gary Moore? He was a great player too.
Gary is awesome too, but my favorite albums feature Brian and Scott.
Thingfishhhh
<johan....@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
> Thingfishhhh skrev i meddelandet ...
>
>
> >Maybe. Personally, i go with what I like. My personal all-time faves are
> >Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy. Not technically
> >brilliant, ala Vai or Petrucci or Satriani, but they played, to my ears,
> >beautifully. Check out "Live and Dangerous" - a lot of it (there are
> >some *goofs* in there) was redubbed, but they DID play that well live, I
> >saw them in London in the late 70's.
>
> Hey, what about John Sykes ?
And Eric Bell, Midge Ure, and the others who were in the line-up at one
time or another? :)
I like 'em all - but Brian and Scott playing together are my favorite.
Their twin lead technique was fantastic, and they complimented each
other the best. And, in my VERY humble opinion, were the players during
the best of the Lizzy material, although Black Rose with Gary Moore is
very, very close.
Thingfishhhh
"pasteurized" <dodge...@nospam.xenomorph.net> wrote:
> If Kirk Hammett sucks, why is he playing for the most well known, well
> heard
> of metal band around today?
And one of the biggest bands around right now is Limp Bizkit. Does their
chart postition automatically give their guitarist the same skills and
expertise as Vai, Satriani or Morse? Hardly. The guitarist for Rage
Against The Machine is getting a LOT of buzz these days, even though
he's using chops and wierd sounds others invented years ago.
One of the more talented guitarists I ever worked with, and got to know
personally, was Alex Skolnick (ex of Testament). He can run rings
around Kirk Hammett, on a *bad* day. But Alex is currently somewhat
obscure, and doesnt have any albums on the charts, and isn't touring.
Does this make him *less* a player?
Look at Ace Frehley. One of the biggest bands in the world, right? He
*sucks*. But he still pops up in the ridiculous "Best of" categories in
the music magazines, and in fluff pieces on MTV. Please. Ace was more a
part of a massive hype machine than a true talent - still is, just like
the one that surrounds Metallica now. Metallica, unfortunately, is now
surrounded by "yes" men and industry types who stroke them harder as
their music loses it's validity and relevency. It's now all about
*money*. Kirk could play the worst solos ever written, and the press
right now would applaud and call it genius.
Popularity has *nothing* to do with talent. Never did.
If it did, Garth Brooks would be the most talented player in the States
right now, because he's probably sold more albums than most of the metal
players around.
The Lion
Nicholas Delonas wrote in message ...
>
>In article <84lr8h$uvc$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,
>Ja...@Lacrimator.freeserve.co.uk says...
>> And right now, Hammett is comedy... <grin>
>
>Hmmm. Again, I haven't heard him lately.
>
>I will say that guitarists have their ups and downs just like everybody
>else. I'll also say having been able to play well even once is an
>accomplishment.
>
Its a bloody long "down" then, makes you wonder...
Nicholas Delonas
In article <PNyb4.27490$c94.3...@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com>,
Ep...@home.NOSPAMPLEASE.com says...
> That's often been said about Jeff Beck: when he's good, he's the best there
> is. On an off night, he just plain sucks.
I saw him last year and it was probably the best concert I've ever
attended. He definitely wasn't off that night.
As for being off, everyone has off nights. Hell, lots of us even have
off years and off decades.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84megt$cke$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, jana...@yahoo.com
says...
> Granted, you CAN argue how good he
> WAS, but you CAN'T argue his present case until you've heard what's he's
> currently capable of.
The general comment was that he sucks. It didn't say he's gone way down
hill. It stated that no real musician would think he's any good.
Well I have heard him play and I think he's pretty good. Furthermore,
I've received email from people who don't want to jump into this thing
stating that they don't think his playing has declined at all.
> I'm NOT gonna start throwing my own accquired musical knowledge at you as an
> argument, as music is as individual as we are ourselves, and it makes no
> difference whether you're a trained musician that has studied at Berklee and
> played guitar for decades (like yourself) or someone who can't read music,
> doesn't even know scales, has no idea WHY they play what they play but just
> DO because it sounds beautiful and can play MANY instruments to varied (like
> myself).
I agree with that, but the post I answered specifically said that no
musicians think Kirk is any good. I had to present myself as a musician
to rebut that statement.
> Bottom line - you shouldn't use the 'I studied at Berklee' line and the
> 'played guitar for decades' line as an argument for how good another
> musician is.
It's very odd that you've singled me out, because what you've stated is
very much in line with what I've been saying. It sounds to me like you
reacted viscerally to my mention of Berklee, but failed to read what I
had to say which is virtually identical in spirit to what you said.
BTW, I hadn't noticed that this is a cross-posted thread. I despise
those myself, but the person who started it is to blame.
James Boswell
> If Kirk Hammett sucks, why is he playing for the most well known, well
heard
> of metal band around today?
'cause they needed a quick replacement for Dave Mustaine...
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me anymore. I can't think for myself and choose what I like on my own. I
need big corporations to tell me what is cool and popular so I don't
have to worry about making the decision myself. I don't like to make
decisions, it gives me a headache. Just like in school where we all pass
no matter how dumb we are. My generation is the best because we never
have to think about anything. I like Britney Spears because she is so
much like a real person....." - Charles Jay
Zhoul
that's because Kirk Hammett wasn't trying to wank out mega-solos... In fact,
James did a fair piece of soloing on that album...
Zhoul
> Kirk was
> lucky to be in the right place at the right time when he inherited the
> Metallica gig from Dave Mustaine otherwise he'd be flipping burgers right
> now (since his writing is even less developed than his playing...).
Have to remember why Mustaine got booted... don't forget that he was a
cokehead... at least Kirk has his head screwed on more or less properly
Zhoul
Chas Law wrote:
You'll have to pardon my missing of the megadeth newsgroup... after having gone
through a stack of many, my eyes have just seemed to censor out the unpleasant.
Dundee The Pod
more or less adequate, he is not an exceptional player.
Nicholas Delonas <del...@cultv.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.12d7eea53...@news.prodigy.net...
>
> In article <386e22e...@news.ds.centuryinter.net>,
> ssil...@centuryinter.net says...
> > You suck also then. Kirk is really not a very good guitarist.
>
> You don't know what you're talking about.
>
> I studied music at Berklee College and have been playing the electric
> guitar for decades. Kirk is an excellent rock player.
>
> > Marty
> > Friedman on the otrher hand, is definately well above avaerage.
>
> I'm not familiar with his playing.
>
> If you'd like to discuss this further, you'll have to elevate your posts
> at least beyond the moronic. Otherwise I won't bother with you.
Dundee The Pod
Nicholas Delonas <del...@cultv.com> wrote in message
> Kirk is a far better player than Al, IMHO.
Dundee The Pod
doesn't mean they are good, once again I think Hammet is average.
pasteurized <dodge...@nospam.xenomorph.net> wrote in message
news:K6Cb4.1624$Ec5....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Fullsiz...@webtv.net
>conversation with Fullsize when he
>reappears...
MAAAAAAAN...HAVE YOU LOST YOUR DAMN MIND?
You think I'm actually going to discuss MUSIC with a fucking turnip
that, in a moment of EXTREME, stupidity, ignorance, pathetic thinking,
and just plain DEAD state of mind, actually fucking said KIRK..KIRK,
MO'FUCKIN KIRK IS BETTER THAN DIMEOLA. Put it this way if I even try it
or THINK about discussing music and theory with this carrot then you can
go off on my stupid ass and spit a big wad of "pollo" right on my face
for doing so.
When I went to Berklee we had some vegetables..you know rich little
White boys that, mommy and daddy paid for school only to have them flunk
faster than the SS 'Napolis. This guy takes the fucking cake
though..first he DID NOT go to Berklee, if he did (wait, what the fuck
is this "if he did" shit? HE DIDN'T!) he'd know the WHY and the HOW
sorry kirk is just by listening to his straight Scale playing and an
occasional "Diatonic Sequence" here and there (poorly chosen notes
though..fucking bending the 7th before...fuckit' you all will just
say.."what, who"?). I'd like to know which program this TURNIP was
enrolled in and for how long and which Performance Classes and Workshops
because it's IMPOSSIBLE that, he lasted over two weeks.
You know when you talk to some idiot down the street and he keeps
talking all this bullshit and you just KNOW the dude is full of it
because you HAVE experience in what he's saying and what he's saying
just doesn't make any god damn fucking sence? Ok then..you get the
point? That's why I'll just go along with him and say "kIR K pHUcKInG
rULZ AnD 'TTaliKa kIcKs yOu lOUD mEETAL uP YOUR AZZ".
Now my fucking question is this... Why in the fuck are you arguing with
the foo'? You must be REALLY fucking bored homes!
Heeeeeeeeeeehehheehe kirk better than DiMeola..this should last me a
decade!
Oh remind me to go off on your ass later for saying Vai and Satriani
play with no feelings! You were joking though, so...
Oh ask him where Berklee is..I bet he'll say "kali FpRRRnia"!
Hyah, hyah, hyah..can't help it.."kirk better than DiMeola".
Waaaaaaaaaahhhh, waaaaaaahhhhh, (it's making fucking tears come out..so
fucking funny.aaaghhhhh, aaaaaghhhh, COOOOOUGH, ARGHHHH, hyah, hyah.
ohhhhh shit, I'm gonna' fucking choke on my laughter)..hey wait a
minute.. HYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHYYYYYYAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA, do you
HYAAHAHAhAHAHA, think kirk is better than Paco or McLaughlin (what's his
name should like this..the "sand nigger" or "chink". that, Nevermind
homey) too? Hyaahahahahahahaha
Chas Law
Zhoul <brk...@total.net> wrote in message
news:386F8044...@total.net...
>
> You'll have to pardon my missing of the megadeth newsgroup... after having
gone
> through a stack of many, my eyes have just seemed to censor out the
unpleasant.
>
somewhat invalid. Still, the concept of "No D Glasses" is still a good one
though and could be applied by many people in all NGs to help keep healthy
and logical discussion going. An expression with "wheat" and "chaff" springs
to mind!!!!
Forgive me!!
Chas(Has anyone seen my camel?)Law
Nicholas Delonas
In article <_zMb4.87683$n3.10...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
Jaboc...@hotmail.com says...
> Marty Freidman is WAY more advanced than Kirk Hammet.
As if there were such a thing. Even if there were, what would it matter?
Being "advanced" means nothing by itself.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <1CMb4.87685$n3.10...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
Jaboc...@hotmail.com says...
> I don't usually come out and say this but..........are you deaf?
Al Dimeola appeals to juveniles. He's like a Spice Girl only targeted at
pre-pubescent males.
There's nothing wrong with that of course and he does excel at it, but I
prefer music with a bit more depth myself.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <kEMb4.87686$n3.10...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
Jaboc...@hotmail.com says...
> does Vanilla Ice ring any bells?? just because someone is well known
> doesn't mean they are good, once again I think Hammet is average.
You mean average among wildly-successful-professional-level players.
Average among the whole population of guitar owners means someone who has
finally nailed the F chord, but hasn't yet tried to play a barre chord.
Seriously folks, you can't say a person sucks just because they're not
the best player of all time. There's a *whole* lot of room in music
between the best possible and "sucks."
Whatever you think of Kirk's playing, it required years of practice for
him to get that good. He does not "suck" in any reasonable sense of the
word.
Fullsiz...@webtv.net
>studied at Berklee' line and the 'played
>guitar for decades' line as an argument for
>no difference how much you know, it all
>comes down to emotive leanings and
>creative expression
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
If you finish any of the courses or programs at Berklee then you're an
instant bad ass. You may not play like it sometimes, but you're sure
capable of it and your musical knowledge will be well used when it comes
to putting that, missing note here and there and embelishing Chords, and
complementing the melody of the song with the right Slur, Licks or
Solos. You won't have to spend hours searching for the notes. They'll be
well within your reach in seconds and from there you can do endless
voicings and interpretations of YOU, the musician.
Obviously, this will piss some of you off, but fuckit' you all should've
NEVER held the tiger by it's tail (I always say: If you don't know..then
shut the fuck up and just listen), this thread is not only a fucking
joke, but an insult to my intelligence and a desecration of music if
Mozart, Bach, Wagner, Pagannini were alive today (hey..none of them were
Americans..hmmmm?) we'd get together at my house and I'd give them a
quick crash course in .50 Light Barret Sniping and we'd find each and
everyone of you fucking vegetables and put a burst of "two" in the rear
of your kneecaps (that, way you'll never walk again) and then I'd make
my way over with my Scimitar and chop your big toes off (damn, I really
don't want ANY of you to walk again do I? Well, I believe vegetables
should stay put and never move!) and then I'd start a "feed tunnel" on
the one that said, "jKiRRk s bett er tHAn DiMerlola". When the rest of
you (not you Warden..we know you're aaa'ight. And "toh-ass", he's been
cool lately) see this up close and the, hehehe expression on the
victim's face then you'll go into that, pussy-ass twitching, screaming,
and barfing mode, and then your stomachs would get all sour an' shit.
Then, I'll grab the rest of you and give you a "nail clipping" followed
by a "100% dip"..ohhh fuck...that, made me jump. Then, Mozart and the
rest would go into that wussy ass European accent shit and say, "My lads
you have wronged music and have desecrated the very art we're known for
and the art WE made the MOST spiritual. For this you must pay..we'll
make you say sorry a thousand times". Then, I'll get pissed and say.
"what? maaaaan, fuck that shit..watch out..prrr, prrr, prrr, prrr". And
then I'd go home and play with the Jackson for an hour and laugh at your
pathetic asses.
Okay, dammit..I'll say this once and that's IT.
For a MUSICIAN...get that? M-U-S-I-C-I-A-N to be considered good (let's
not talk about great yet!), alot of things must be present in his
playing.
Understanding of THEORY: where's the music going? Why are you putting
that, note there and for how long? Which note are you putting there? Is
it going to clash with the Piano, Sax or Bass? The knowledge of MUSIC
being 2 dimentional, VERTICAl = Harmony and HORIZONTAL = Melody. When
you play the song you MUST know and understand the Chords and Scales to
EXPRESS the Chords given if not then how in the FUCK are you going to do
it? Oh ok by, "PHEeLing y-y-y0u jUSt fEE tHE s Ong". Who are you
kidding..come on? Every fucking melodic tone has an implied harmony. If
you don't understand MUSIC, then how in the fuck are you going to
express the implied harmony?
SPEED: Forget about it, when you come to that measure where you MUST
keep up with the intensity of the drums or you must express a few
seconds or a minute of insanity, excitement and FIRE (hehehe having
Spaniard descent rules and having Nigger descent rules equally too, you
White boys just don't KNOW.)..you NEED speed and technical speed at
that. I've heard Santana play fast when it called for it. You just can't
pull a hammet "trill slur" or a "three note per string" grouping and
expect to be RESPECTED in the music world...it AIN'T hapenning! Not with
US!
TECHNIQUE: So you want to do a "chugga, chugga" (what happened to that,
vegetable anyways?) followed by some string skipping and some hamerons
and pulloffs across three or more strings..hehe think again, if you have
NO technical skill. How about some "Leggato Phrasings" over an Altered
Dm7b5 Arpeggio or playing the same over 7th Arpeggios in 5th movement?
Hyah, hyah..you just have no clue do you, my ignorant hamsters?
RHYTHMN: Well, I have heard kirky go out of it a few times, but it's all
good..I did it too when I was 10 years old! You got's no rhythmn..you
gets no pussy. Simple as that! You can do incredible things with a Cm
Trilogy alone in one entire song..as long as you master rhythmn.
This also includes knowing when to back off and when to be agressive
also. When to complement the song and when to carry it!
I'm gone..my point well made and taken!
Oh BTW, for you so called "MUSICIANS" outthere that, THINK I believe
you..if you know so much then explain what "White Man's Rhythmn" means
in the MUSIC world!
Kirk better than DiMeola..hehehe.
Fullsiz...@webtv.net
>Bosendorfer.. NOTHING....
Hammond B! Yeah, beat THAT as far as richness. I KNOOOOOOW you've never
even seen a Hammond or else you'd say, "nOOthING beTS haM ON B fOR rich
tONe".
Erik Johnson
Metallica is an MTV slut, he was good at 'da eurometal bluesy
quasi-shred thing back the day (Kill 'em All rocks), now he's a has-been
-now stop this thread, (my "pagedown" finger's gettin' sore)!
Check out my ulr below for cool pics of me on stage and sooo much, much
more!!!
http://community.webtv.net/ErikAZ/BDsCorner
Nicholas Totoro
<<Al Dimeola appeals to juveniles. He's like a Spice Girl only
targeted at pre-pubescent males.>>
Di Meola can play Flamenco, Fusion, Neo-Classical, Rock and pretty much
anything which has a category. He has never and I mean ever had a reputation
as someone with speed skills. I own almost every album he has made, my
favorites being those he has done with John McLaughlin and Paco De Lucia.
The most wanking Di Meola has *ever* done is maybe one or two lines per
entire album. He has never made an entire song or album which requires the
dexterity of Steve Vai. Flamenco does require certain technical ability, but
it is not the same as endless repetition of patterns.
The mere fact that you mention Di Meola is a machine is proof enough
you have never heard his catalog of music, only what has gone around by
speed merchants who mention him as an influence. Because Yngwie Malmsteen or
Vinnie Moore mention him as influences doesn't mean he's about speed.
Hundreds of players can pick cirlces around him on an electric guitar.
Almost every album he has done since the mid-1980's has been Fusion or New
Age in sound.
All Kirk Hammett has proven himself to be is a bad advertisement for
lessons from Joe Satriani. Musically, everything Metallica has done since
Dave Mustaine's departure has lacked somewhat, with a few exceptions on
Justice. Hammett doesn't actually write anything, anyway. Even Master of
Puppets still has a bit of Mustaine's influence. You can hear it in the
music. The other big post-Puppets factor is the death of Cliff Burton.
Hammett cannot compose with the same ability as Di Meola. When playing
over Hetfield's sometimes confusing rhythms (by confusing, I mean what to
play over his sometimes chromatic tendencies), he resorts to the Pentatonic
scale and his wha. Di Meola has layer, texture and, most importantly,
variety. Whatever he does, like it or not, it's all different. He has gotten
into a bit of a signature sound over the last couple of years, but he's not
terribly repetetive. The same cannot be said for Kirk Hammett.
<<There's nothing wrong with that of course and he does excel at it,
but I prefer music with a bit more depth myself.>>
I assume Kirk Hammett fits this bill?
Nick
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Warden
>
> Jon Melbo wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:28:03 -0500, Nicholas Delonas
> > <del...@cultv.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Any experienced musician (like Jakkal) will tell you: Kirk Hammett
> > >> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You suck also then. Kirk is really not a very good guitarist. Marty
> > Friedman on the otrher hand, is definately well above avaerage.
>
> tried-and-true metal, you have to get into the imported scene. Start
> listening to Opeth and In Flames, and you'll never go back to Metallicrap
> and Megadork.
Opeth has some good stuff. In Flames is just gay. I bought Colony from a used
store for 3.99 and it's not even worth that! How can you even compare
it to "Peace Sells", "Killing is my business", or "Ride the Lightning"?
Dave
--
"Music appears in the world despite
the music industry, not because of it."
-Robert Fripp
Warden
>
> > > I'm an experienced guitarist and tell you that Kirk is a great player.
> > Certainly not compared to... ooh
> >
> > Marty Friedman
>
> I swear to God, if I hear about Marty Friedman once more before someone with a
> modicum of musical intelligence mentions Mikael Akerfeldt or Jesper Stromblad,
> I'll vomit.
Well, out of the whole metallica/megadeth crew, he's the only one that really
shines out as a truly exceptional musician (well he DID anyway). Mikael is
pretty good (I haven't heard Still Life yet) but I'm not impressed by his
clean vocals. Jesper can play... but nowhere near to the level of some of his
European power metal counterparts (we're talking strictly metal, right?) His
drumming on Glory to the brave is just crap.
Warden
>
> In article <1CMb4.87685$n3.10...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> Jaboc...@hotmail.com says...
> > I don't usually come out and say this but..........are you deaf?
>
> pre-pubescent males.
WHAT? Dimeola has killer chops, but to say all his music is based on that is
just ignorance.
> There's nothing wrong with that of course and he does excel at it, but I
> prefer music with a bit more depth myself.
You haven't heard much dimeola, have you?
Nicholas Delonas
In article <386FBB52...@flashcom.net>, dav...@flashcom.net says...
> Nicholas Delonas wrote:
> WHAT? Dimeola has killer chops, but to say all his music is based on that is
> just ignorance.
His music is lifeless with a few notable exceptions.
> You haven't heard much dimeola, have you?
Unfortunately, I have.
Nicholas Delonas
In article <84obnl$sdb$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>,
nto...@NOSPAMmindspring.com says...
> Nicholas Delonas wrote...
> He has never and I mean ever had a reputation
> as someone with speed skills.
Don't be ridiculous.
> I own almost every album he has made, my
> favorites being those he has done with John McLaughlin and Paco De Lucia.
I saw them live. Bleeeeecccchhhh!
> The most wanking Di Meola has *ever* done is maybe one or two lines per
> The mere fact that you mention Di Meola is a machine is proof enough
> you have never heard his catalog of music, only what has gone around by
> speed merchants who mention him as an influence.
I used to play "Race with the Devil" (now that song I like). I also
owned every Return to Forever record he was on (back in my foolish
youth).
Dimeola is best described as I've-got-a-big-dick-or-at-least-pretend-I-do
music.
> Hundreds of players can pick cirlces around him on an electric guitar.
Not true.
> Hammett cannot compose with the same ability as Di Meola. When playing
> over Hetfield's sometimes confusing rhythms (by confusing, I mean what to
> play over his sometimes chromatic tendencies), he resorts to the Pentatonic
> scale and his wha.
What do you mean resorts? Is the pentatonic a lesser scale? Before you
say something dumb, let me answer that: no, it's not.
> Whatever he does, like it or not, it's all different.
And it's all been properly sterilized too.
> He has gotten
> into a bit of a signature sound over the last couple of years, but he's not
> terribly repetetive. The same cannot be said for Kirk Hammett.
There's nothing wrong with being repetitive if what you're repeating
sounds good.
> I assume Kirk Hammett fits this bill?
I'm not a Metallica fan, but I'll take them over Dimeola any day.
Mark Zedaker
<del...@cultv.com> wrote:
> In article <1CMb4.87685$n3.10...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> Jaboc...@hotmail.com says...
> > I don't usually come out and say this but..........are you deaf?
>
> Al Dimeola appeals to juveniles. He's like a Spice Girl only targeted at
> pre-pubescent males.
I'm absolutely shocked, here. Seriously. It took me probably three
whole minutes of just STARING at the above line before I could compose
myself enough to write any sort of response. This is an *insane*
statement.
AL DIMEOLA is a Spice Girl? COMPARED TO KIRK HAMMET, of all people,
*Al Dimeola* is marketed to pubescent makes?? Are you serious? Are you a
troll? Are you just on crack?
--
Mark Zedaker
ch...@home.com