Phil Anselmo apologizes to MetallicA
Stephen Marshall
Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that he
was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
--
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Brian Shrader
What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
<32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
Andrew Ariens
On 16 Jan 1997 02:07:45 GMT, "Brian Shrader"
<bshr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
>shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
>Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
>the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
>and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
What a pity. What looked like could have been a mature thread, turned
into THIS. Sad.
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J. Bial
Well, I'm not sure you could really classify Pantera as a glam
band ever. Cowboys from Hell still had some pretty raw shit like Primal
Concrete Slede and CG. I'm not sure that Metallica sold out, I think that
after 20 some-odd years of playing the same stuff, they just gelt like
trying something new. Even with TBA you could just feel the blues
influence, so if anyone was surprised that this shift was coming you
weren't paying attention to the groups direction.
John
>
> So Metallica are sell outs, but Pantera, who used to be a glam band and
> completely and predictably changed their image in 1990 to become a
> "serious" thrash band have *any* integrity? Give me a break. Pantera may
> be a good band (though their last good album came out five years ago) but
> they are bigger sellouts than Metallica will ever be. Except unlike
> Metallica they aren't even smart enough to make a lot of money at their
> dishonest approach to music.
>
> MG
>
>
Stephen Marshall
But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
are.
Stephen
Brian Shrader wrote:
>
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
>
Stephen Marshall
Andrew Ariens wrote:
>
> On 16 Jan 1997 02:07:45 GMT, "Brian Shrader"
>
> >What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> >shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> >Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> >the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> >and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
>
> into THIS. Sad.
>
> --
> Andrew Ariens
> ari...@aiinc.com
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> http://www.ce2k.com/metal1/index.html
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6797/metal.html
>
> Nominated for MetallicA site of the month:
> http://www.ce2k.com/metal1/metallica/index.html
> Vote! (Sorry for the shameless plug. ;-])
It is sad isn't it. Phil, or anyone for that matter can hate the Load
album, but to use his standing and being on stage as a forum to bash
them, he had no right, and I'm glad he admitted that and kind of made
amends. Pantera and Metallica are both Kick ass bands. Load, while not
being the album that I necessarily wanted from Metallica is still a
great album.
Charlie Broussard x1525
Stephen Marshall (zzmar...@winthrop.edu) wrote:
: But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
: all of Pantera's albums are good albums.
again, that's your opinion, probably phil's, but not mine.
:You
: don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
: the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
: like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
: their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
: was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
: are.
so, does this mean that all of us who have bashed load and metallica on
the net have to issue some sort of apology to metallica for saying that
load sucks? yeah, right. do you think what phil said hurt metallica's
feelings? boo hoo. do they even know what he said? do you care what
he said? do i care what he said? i damn sure don't.
--
charlie, author of this totally meaningless post
all opinions expressed herein are subject to change
Evil Incarnate
"J. Bial" <ice...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure you could really classify Pantera as a glam
>band ever. Cowboys from Hell still had some pretty raw shit like Primal
>Concrete Slede and CG.
pantera had 4 glam albums before cowboys from hell.
-Daemonic
LORDETH7
>
> so, does this mean that all of us who have bashed load and metallica on
> the net have to issue some sort of apology to metallica for saying that
> load sucks? yeah, right. do you think what phil said hurt metallica's
Whats he doing talking bout Metallica at a Pantera concert. He sure has
a lot of time to waste. He can have that opinion about load and if some
interviewer or anything asks him what he thinks of it he could say it
sucks but hes just a dumbass. He basically is saying that cuz hes
jealous of metallica being more popular than pantera otherwise hed just
shut the hell up. James Hetfield isn't up there insulting all the bands
he hates in concerts and neither should phil anselmo.
DamnijInk
Excuse my ignorance . . . but what exactly classifies a band as a "glam"
band. Spandex and teased hair - like Poison and Crue etc.? Or ?? Which
Pantera albums were "glam"? Just wondering. And Daemonic - if ya answer
to me on this one could you please refrain from hissing, growling or
snickering at me, as in the past? Much appreciated, dude.
Robert Delmedico
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> Brian Shrader <bshr...@u.washington.edu> wrote in article
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> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> > Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> > the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> > and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
> So Metallica are sell outs, but Pantera, who used to be a glam band
> and completely and predictably changed their image in 1990 to become
Prove metallica are sellouts...they're not...
Pantera, if it's true like it says in EVERY MAGAZINE that they changed
because they weren't popular (which I'm assuming they must have told people),
then they did sell out, but I heard that Phil hated their glam style and it
was probably his idea to change...
however, Metallica, what they've disclosed to the press, they are not
sellouts
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Evil Incarnate
DamnijInk <damn...@datadepot.com> wrote:
but...i CANT HELP MYSELF! :)
glam isnt really the image...its the sound...like...cowboys from hell
is a little glammy.
the image just seems to go along with it. i think the image scares us
all more then the music. :)
and i dont know the names of the albums...one had something to do with
power metal and i think one was self-titled...
-Daemonic
PS when the fuck did i hiss, growl or snicker at you? you're just
confusing me.
*snicker snicker*
Evil Incarnate
Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert Delmedico) wrote:
so that means that the psycho killer that doesnt tell the newspaper he
killed all the people was really innocent?
-Daemonic
Herb
On 18 Jan 97 08:19:00 , Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert
Delmedico) wrote:
>Pantera, if it's true like it says in EVERY MAGAZINE that they changed
>because they weren't popular (which I'm assuming they must have told people),
>then they did sell out, but I heard that Phil hated their glam style and it
>was probably his idea to change...
>however, Metallica, what they've disclosed to the press, they are not
>sellouts
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hate to break it to ya, but Phil wasn't in the band before CFH..
Later,
Herb
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DamnijInk <damn...@datadepot.com> wrote:
>Excuse my ignorance . . . but what exactly classifies a band as a "glam"
>band. Spandex and teased hair - like Poison and Crue etc.? Or ?? Which
>Pantera albums were "glam"? Just wondering. And Daemonic - if ya answer
>to me on this one could you please refrain from hissing, growling or
>snickering at me, as in the past? Much appreciated, dude.
He's right about this one......they have four glam albums....Metal
Magic, Projects in the Jungle, I am the Night and Power Metal.
I am the Night and Power Metal I don't think I would really classify
the music as glam, there are some decent songs on those....the image
is glam, though. As for the first two......let's just say, they were
kind of sad...pure 80s pop-metal on a level with Poison......
Glandyoolar Spambulack
>>Pantera, if it's true like it says in EVERY MAGAZINE that they changed
>>because they weren't popular (which I'm assuming they must have told people),
>>then they did sell out, but I heard that Phil hated their glam style and it
>>was probably his idea to change...
>>however, Metallica, what they've disclosed to the press, they are not
>>sellouts
>>
>
>hate to break it to ya, but Phil wasn't in the band before CFH..
>
>
I Hate to break it to you buddy but Phil WAS in the band on Power
Metal, the album before Cowboys From Hell. I have the album and it
sucks, but Phil is on it. Check you facts next time before you start
talking shit. Also, No one can say that a band has or hasn't sold out
unless they know the band personally. Just because a band stops
playing the kind of music that a certain person likes, it doesn't mean
shit. I think it is stupid for a band to keep playing the same kind
of music over and over just because some of their fans want them to.
Anyone who is in a band can tell you that it gets old playing the same
old shit every day.
rais...@infogo.com
ma...@microfone.net (Herb) wrote:
>hate to break it to ya, but Phil wasn't in the band before CFH..
Not true......Phil did one album, Power Metal, with the band before
CFH, he wasn't on the first three, though.
Alexander Avduevsky
Brian Shrader wrote:
>
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything!
Yes, man! And no-one of Pantera changed his opinion on Load! Just read
the interview with Dimebag and White Zombie's guitarist in GuitarWorld
(Dec'96) where Dimebag says tht Phil expresses the opinion of the whole
band (and also a big part of Pantera fans who obviously used to be
Metallica fans also).
Adam D Zellers
Excerpts from netnews.alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica: 18-Jan-97 Re:
Phil Anselmo apologizes.. by He...@microfone.net
> >because they weren't popular (which I'm assuming they must have told
people),
> >then they did sell out, but I heard that Phil hated their glam style and it
> >was probably his idea to change...
> >however, Metallica, what they've disclosed to the press, they are not
> >sellouts
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>
>
>
>
> Herb
Are you stupid? Can you not see that having a new frontman can quickly
& easily change a band's image? In fact, Phil was around for one album
before CFH, so he had a chance to exert some influence over the band's
direction.
As for selling out, I was around in 1990 when the CFH came out, and from
what I remember, becoming a thrash band did no more for your
"popularity" then than it would now.
Becoming an alternative grunge band, cutting your hair, getting numerous
body piercings, and producing several MTV-friendly videos, on the other
hand, is an excellent way to sell out.
But that's another thread...
--ADZ
.............................
Th' Quote:
"Great nations build from the bones of the dead,
With mud and straw, blood and sweat.
You know your worth when your enemies
Praise your architecture of aggression."
--Megadeth
.............................
Evil Incarnate
>--ADZ
its called foresight. what makes more money now, pantera, or glam-era
pantera?
-Daemonic
Evil Incarnate
to...@3lefties.com (Glandyoolar Spambulack) wrote:
>>>Pantera, if it's true like it says in EVERY MAGAZINE that they changed
>>>because they weren't popular (which I'm assuming they must have told people),
>>>then they did sell out, but I heard that Phil hated their glam style and it
>>>was probably his idea to change...
>>>however, Metallica, what they've disclosed to the press, they are not
>>>sellouts
>>>
>>
>>hate to break it to ya, but Phil wasn't in the band before CFH..
>>
>>
>I Hate to break it to you buddy but Phil WAS in the band on Power
>Metal, the album before Cowboys From Hell. I have the album and it
>sucks, but Phil is on it. Check you facts next time before you start
>talking shit. Also, No one can say that a band has or hasn't sold out
>unless they know the band personally. Just because a band stops
>playing the kind of music that a certain person likes, it doesn't mean
>shit. I think it is stupid for a band to keep playing the same kind
>of music over and over just because some of their fans want them to.
>Anyone who is in a band can tell you that it gets old playing the same
>old shit every day.
i dont think slayer thinks so... :)
Brian Shrader
so you are gonna rip on Phil for rippin' on James, then turn around and rip
on me too... I've got a word for ya: HYPOCRITE.
Don't tell me how stupid it is to get up and bash someone then turn around
and call me a lesser man, I can have any opinion I want, just like you can,
but you callin' me a lesser man for it just shows you don't even believe
your own words. Why don't you eat them and tell me how they taste?
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
> Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
> don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
> the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
> like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
> their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
> was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
> are.
>
> Stephen
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold
out.
> > Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he
was
> > the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of
people
> > and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
> >
> > Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> > <32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
> > > Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
> > > Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
> > > Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
> > > shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
> > > wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that
he
> > > was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
> > > I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
> > >
Christian 'Kali' Naumann
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
Phil was not the only Metallica-Fan playing in a famous Band who
bitched "the LOAD". Even Anvil said, they don´t want to be stated by
Hetfield as his influence (and Anvil was a main influence on
Metallica). Exploited also complained about the softness of teh new
album. And Warrel Dane of NEVERMORE seems to be really disappointed
about LOAD, too. I read a lot of other statements about LOAD.
I hope MetallicA come down again and fuck the smack.
-Kali
Gary McMillen II
Jorge Ruiz wrote:
>
> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>
> What's wrong with ya people... "Now that they suck" what the hell is
> that, ok ok, I must agree, the thrashing and riffs are not as metal anda
> as cool, but they do not suck... Metallica will never suck, I mean...
> You make em sound like LIVE or CRANBERRIEs...
> If you are a real MEtallica fan, stick with the old stuff, LOAD is still
> good, but MASTER and RIDe are always there, who cares about now, you all
> heard Devil's Dance... They're back... Jeez... give the guys a break...
> As KIRK said in, Guitar Legend: MEtallica, "I had long hair for 15
> years, I cut it off..." or "We felt like changing a bit, I didn't feel
> like showing off, just getting the job done!!!"
>
> Just give em a chance guyz... Damn... You ain't no metallica fans...
> Go listen to SOrrow, Sepultura, MEgadeth!!!! Yeah listen to the dropout
> of MEtallica, Dave Mustaine...
>
> Fuck that... I'm putting LOAD on... after MOP finishes...
>
> Ruggz
The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
against everything metallica originally stood for....I still like
metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
out....Load reflects that fact....
Gary McMillen II
J.D. Stoner wrote:
>
> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
> >
>
> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
> facts straight.
my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
anyday....and they know it...
J.D. Stoner
>Also, No one can say that a band has or hasn't sold out
> unless they know the band personally.
I totally agree. I think it would be foolish to deny that metallica now
play a more mainstream style of music. But the term "selling out" refers to
their motive for doing so. We can't truly say why metallica did it.
EvilSmurf
Hmmmm... if he apologized, why did he rip on them again two days ago at
Asbury Park?
Evil Incarnate
"J.D. Stoner" <kt...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
its really too bad that ive been saying this for a long fucking time
and no ones noticed. really.
-Daemonic
Robert Delmedico
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> Adam D Zellers <zell...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> > Excerpts from netnews.alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica: 18-Jan-97 Re:
> > Are you stupid? Can you not see that having a new frontman can quickly
> > & easily change a band's image? In fact, Phil was around for one album
> > before CFH, so he had a chance to exert some influence over the band's
> > direction.
> > As for selling out, I was around in 1990 when the CFH came out, and from
> > what I remember, becoming a thrash band did no more for your
> > "popularity" then than it would now.
> > Becoming an alternative grunge band, cutting your hair, getting numerous
> > body piercings, and producing several MTV-friendly videos, on the other
> > hand, is an excellent way to sell out.
> > But that's another thread...
> > --ADZ
> its called foresight. what makes more money now, pantera, or glam-era
> pantera?
I think the new Pantera does...they weren't all that popular in the 80's, and
while metal is not mainstream, Far Beyond Driven still did debut at number 1
on the charts, and sold 2 million copies...it was enough to get them
attention...so even though they're not mainstream...almost everybody's heard
of them
Evil Incarnate
Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert Delmedico) wrote:
> > > --ADZ
pantera's not mainstream and no doubt is an underground ska band.
-Daemonic
John
so you are gonna rip on Phil for rippin' on James, then turn around and rip
on me too... I've got a word for ya: HYPOCRITE.
Don't tell me how stupid it is to get up and bash someone then turn around
and call me a lesser man, I can have any opinion I want, just like you can,
but you callin' me a lesser man for it just shows you don't even believe
your own words. Why don't you eat them and tell me how they taste?
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
<32DE644D...@winthrop.edu>...
> But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
> Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
> don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
> the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
> like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
> their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
> was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
> are.
>
> Stephen
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold
out.
> > Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he
was
> > the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of
people
> > and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
> >
> > Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> > <32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
> > > Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
> > > Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
> > > Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
> > > shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
> > > wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that
he
> > > was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
> > > I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stephen A. Marshall
> > > zzmar...@winthrop.edu
> > > mars...@cs.winthrop.edu
> > > http://www.winthrop.edu/~marshals
> > >
>
>>> Phil shuld have never apologized. MetallicraP sold out all the old
>>> fans who listened to the since 1984. They are not worthy of the respect
>>> those of us that grew up listening to them. Music without heart and soul is not good music at
>>> all. Pantera's music is the best metal out there, cuz they believe in metal still,
>>> so who the fuck cares if they used to be a glam band, at least they aren't alternacrap.
>>> What the Metallicunts did was fucked up. Cliff would hate them for what they've become.
>>> So all I have to say is two words:FUCK THEM!!!!!!
>>> -----John <du...@nuaticom.net>
>>> "So now I've seen it all, Hell's Wrath
>>> No man has greater glory, So now You're living through me"
J.D. Stoner
> its really too bad that ive been saying this for a long fucking time
> and no ones noticed. really.
>
Doesn't that piss you off. I didn't steal it though, I swear. I have
thought it forever. And have said it myself. But nobody even seems to
notice civil posts anymore.
IRATE
Evil Incarnate <xy...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<5c3cpa$r...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
> "J.D. Stoner" <kt...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
>
> >>Also, No one can say that a band has or hasn't sold out
> >> unless they know the band personally.
>
> >I totally agree. I think it would be foolish to deny that metallica now
> >play a more mainstream style of music. But the term "selling out" refers
to
> >their motive for doing so. We can't truly say why metallica did it.
>
> its really too bad that ive been saying this for a long fucking time
> and no ones noticed. really.
>
> -Daemonic
did you hear something or was it just me?.. oh well guess no one noticed
Robert Delmedico
* In a message originally to All, xy...@mindspring.com said:
> From: xy...@mindspring.com (Evil Incarnate) Newsgroups:
> alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica Subject: Re: Phil Anselmo apologizes
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> Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert Delmedico) wrote:
> > > > --ADZ
can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...Like I said, I don't consider
Pantera mainstream, but they have a lot of popularity...Metal isn't as
unpopular as some think...I see millions of people with Sepultura shirts and
stuff like that...it's just...country and rap both outsell it, according to
billboard,...ugh...rap...rap isn't music
Gary McMillen II
Alexander Avduevsky wrote:
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything!
>
> the interview with Dimebag and White Zombie's guitarist in GuitarWorld
> (Dec'96) where Dimebag says tht Phil expresses the opinion of the whole
> band (and also a big part of Pantera fans who obviously used to be
> Metallica fans also).
Jorge Ruiz
> Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
What's wrong with ya people... "Now that they suck" what the hell is
Evil Incarnate
Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert Delmedico) wrote:
> > Robert.Delmedico%3...@satlink.oau.org (Robert Delmedico) wrote:
> > > > > --ADZ
the real problem is that the millions with sepultura shirts are also
big manson/nin/nirvana fans that think that there are only 10 or so
metal groups in existance.
-Daemonic
Noss
On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:22:14 -0800, Jorge Ruiz <j.r...@codetelnet.do>
wrote:
>Fuck that... I'm putting LOAD on... after MOP finishes...
>
>Ruggz
Hell ya!!!!!!!! I'm gonna pump up LOAD, right now!!!!!!!
J.D. Stoner
> Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>
Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
LORDETH7
>
> my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
> music station Muchmusic...they
trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
> asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
thats completely diffferent than insulting a band at every single one of
your concersts.
> stuff over and over for the last 20
years....actually..ive never heard
> them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> anyday....and they know it...
>
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
GGarbini
Gary McMillen ll wrote:
>
>my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of
the ones I >went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
I don't think they would trash Alice In Chains. They like Alice and wanted
to tour with them awhile back. You are the one that should get your facts
straight.
Evil Incarnate
"J.D. Stoner" <kt...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
>> its really too bad that ive been saying this for a long fucking time
>> and no ones noticed. really.
>>
>Doesn't that piss you off. I didn't steal it though, I swear. I have
>thought it forever. And have said it myself. But nobody even seems to
>notice civil posts anymore.
MAYBE IF I SAID IT LIKE THIS THEY WOULD NOTICE!!! MAYBE IF I SAID FUCK
10 OR 20 TIMES TOO. AND IF I CALLED SOMEONE A GAY PUSSY THAT SUCKS
THEIR OWN DICK!
or maybe not. :)
-Daemonic
Evil Incarnate
LORDETH7 <Lord...@cris.com> wrote:
>>
>> my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
>AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>> music station Muchmusic...they
>trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>> asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>> something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>thats completely diffferent than insulting a band at every single one of
>your concersts.
>> stuff over and over for the last 20
>years....actually..ive never heard
>> them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>> anyday....and they know it...
>>
>hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
phil would just od again.
slayer might kick their ass. seriously. they're the kind of people to
do it. max cavelera (sp? i cant fucking spell this) said he didnt like
to tour with slayer cuz they attract skinheads and i think kerry said
he didnt like to tour with sepultura cuz they attract cocksucking
pussies (or something like that).
-Daemonic
Gary McMillen II
Evil Incarnate wrote:
>
> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> >anyday....and they know it...
>
> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
> is.
Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
> as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
> about it.
Ahh...Then have havent been to a metallica concert have you??
>
Gary
IGAP
jmf...@aol.com (JMFDICE) wrote:
>...they're hypocrites...they went
>against everything metallica originally stood for...
>===================
>How so? metallica is about metallica, its about what they want to do, not
>what the fans want them to do. They've stated that for years, and they
>would not have spent so much time and recorded so many songs in a style
>that they did not like. That isn't them at all, and it isn't them on this
>record. They tried some new things, the music is slower, more melodic,
>James sings instead of grunting and barking, and the album has more
>emotion in it than any other album.
Here, here!
>Personally, I think Load is the best album that they have ever made.
I think it's second to MoP.
>what it did, in my opinion, it created a new style of metal, and while it is
>not the hardcore metal that has been put out by them, Megadeth, Anthrax,
>etc. inthe past. Its still pretty heavy, but it has given a new feel to
>metal.
Once again, I agree.
What I think happened what that the fans were getting themselves
psyched up for the new album (it's been 5 years, you know) and were
surprised when they it didn't sound like they THOUGHT it would sound
like. Most fans immediately gave up on the band instead of giving the
new sound a chance.
(ever been to one of those Metallica-bashing web pages? I think
they're funny as hell)
>Metallica still does not sound like anyone on the radio. No other band
>out there has put out an album like Load. And right now, no other band
>compares to metallica. They have showed that they are not one dimensional
>as a band, that they can be diverse in their sound, while still making
>good, quality and entertaining music.
Man, if I had any money, I'd buy you a drink. <g>
>I have heard bits and pieces of
>some of the songs for the new album that should be out at the end of this
>year, (Devil's Dance is one) and all were pretty heavy, and a few sounded
>more like The thing That Should Not Be or harvester Of Sorrow.
Unfortunately, because of the aforementioned loss of fan support, that
album won't sell as much, no matter what type of music is on it.
>On an album of 14 songs, hero of the day and Momma said were the only two
>that seem to be geared toward the radio, but both of them are good songs.
OH MY GOD! Can it be? I thought I was the only person in the world who
liked Mama Said! :)
I think MS is VERY cool. If it were to be a radio tune (and if they
DIDN'T make an MTV video) I think it would go over well (though all
the so-called "real" metalheads would have cows. <g>) HotD is a cool
"halfway" point between heavy and mellow.
>I've liked the album from day one, and I will always like it.
It takes me a few listens before I can pass judgement of whether I
like an album or not. And I liked Load.
>The thing with Pantera, though, is that they are getting stale, or burnt
>out as someone else said. It seems that they have gone as far as they
>could go. The Great Southern Trendkill is a cool album, it kicks alot of
>ass, but there is nothing special about it. I would love to hear them
>experiment a bit, play some different styles, and open it up a bit.
i.e. "Planet Caravan", from Far Beyond Driven.
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* In a message originally to All, bshr...@u.washington.edu said:
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> Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica,alt.music.pantera
> Subject: Re: Phil Anselmo apologizes to MetallicA Date: 19 Jan 1997
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> so you are gonna rip on Phil for rippin' on James, then turn around
> and rip on me too... I've got a word for ya: HYPOCRITE.
cool
Evil Incarnate
ig...@linknet.net (IGAP) wrote:
>jmf...@aol.com (JMFDICE) wrote:
>>The thing with Pantera, though, is that they are getting stale, or burnt
>>out as someone else said. It seems that they have gone as far as they
>>could go. The Great Southern Trendkill is a cool album, it kicks alot of
>>ass, but there is nothing special about it. I would love to hear them
>>experiment a bit, play some different styles, and open it up a bit.
>i.e. "Planet Caravan", from Far Beyond Driven.
suicide note pt 1 anyone?
-Daemonic
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>Evil Incarnate wrote:
>>
>> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>>
>> >J.D. Stoner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
>> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
>> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
>> >> facts straight.
>>
>> >my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>> >music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>> >stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
>> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>> >anyday....and they know it...
>>
>> see...they werent trashing ac/dc...cuz ac/dc sounds exactly the same
>> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
>> is.
>Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
>around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
ahh, so they should only talk shit about bands less popular then?
>> as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
>> about it.
>Ahh...Then have havent been to a metallica concert have you??
nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
either...
-Daemonic
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>J.D. Stoner wrote:
>>
>> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
>> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>> >
>>
>> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
>> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
>> facts straight.
>my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
>them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>anyday....and they know it...
see...they werent trashing ac/dc...cuz ac/dc sounds exactly the same
in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
is.
as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
about it.
-Daemonic
Gary McMillen II
LORDETH7 wrote:
>
> >
> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>
> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>
vegas,NV....AiC...cancelled apparently due Layne Staleys heroin
problems....When Metallica can on stage...James said " ok guys we're
gonna do some new shit for you"....they started playing a parody of
Aic's "Man in the Box"...and James hetfield was making a gesture like he
was sticking a needle in his arm......if thats not picking on I dont
know what is...then the first show I went to in Binghamton,NY...James
gets on Lar's drum set and James and Lars were making fun of drummers
from bands such as Slayer, megadeth and Anthrax....
Gary McMillen II
> nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
> looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
> either...
>
> -Daemonic
they prbably figure that it might be bad for business to slack on other
bands in thier videos because it might affect sales.....Ill admit...Ive
only been to 2 metallica shows...but each show....they picked on some
band....
Gary
Matt213187
>ig...@linknet.net (IGAP) wrote:
>>jmf...@aol.com (JMFDICE) wrote:
floods too. IMO it is one of pantera's best songs because of the solo.
Matt
J.D. Stoner
>ive never heard
> >> them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their
ass
> >> anyday....and they know it...
Actually, when asked about the whole phil thing, they responded with
something along the lines of "you can never take those heroin addicts too
seriously".
Gary McMillen II
> >>
> >> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >J.D. Stoner wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> >> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
> >> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
> >> >> facts straight.
> >>
> >> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
> >> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> >> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
> >> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> >> >anyday....and they know it...
> >>
> >> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
> >> is.
>
> >around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
>
> ahh, so they should only talk shit about bands less popular then?
No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the case
of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
Gary
exp...@acs.eku.edu
In article <32EC9D...@pahrump.com>, Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> writes:
> Evil Incarnate wrote:
>>
>> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>>
>> >J.D. Stoner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
>> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
>> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
>> >> facts straight.
>>
>> >my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>> >music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>> >stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
>> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>> >anyday....and they know it...
>>
>> see...they werent trashing ac/dc...cuz ac/dc sounds exactly the same
>> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
>> is.
>
> Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
> around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
>
>
>
>
>> about it.
>
>>
>
truth. Truth hurts.
> Gary
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
wonder why everyone talks about pantera and says shit about metallica.
really. its a big coverup, if you ask me.
-Daemonic
Juan Suarez
Metallica is a great band, and James Hetfield is the man. Kirk and
Jason are cool too.
Lars, on the other hand, is a prick sometimes. He thinks he's funny,
and I don't think he's trying to put people down, but he comes across
that way. Lastly, no person on this planet has the right to put down
PANTERA. Metallica's just pissed because Pantera took over where
Metallica left off after ..And justice for all.
RIGGS
LORDETH7 wrote:
>
> >
> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>
> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>
> trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
> > asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> > something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>
> your concersts.
>
> years....actually..ive never heard
> > them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> > anyday....and they know it...
> >
WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
EvilSmurf
Ryan Malenfant wrote:
>
> First of all Fuckup can you name some instances of Metallica trashing
> other bands onstage. Second Metallica does not suck, and anyone who
> comes into the metallica newsgroup to trash metallica must not have to
> much to do. Third Phil is an immature racist bastard, he should just
> shut the fuck up. He can trash Metallica the day that he can sing as
> well as hetfield or the day dimbag can play guitar as versatile or as
> well as either Jaymz or Kirk. I do however listen to pantera (I just
> hate the guys in the band). I will seriously consider throwing away all
> of my pantera Cd's, because of this brash display of immaturity. And
> another thing, does anyone notice a trend with Phil apologizing al of the
> time, if he believes something he should have the balls to stick by it,
> and not just apologize. Nobody in Metallica has Od ed on Herion, can
> phil say the same thing.
Well, first of all, I don't think that Phil apologized meant that he
didnt really mean what he said. If you read the interview, you would know
that Phil was just implying that he was pumped up, stoned, drunk during
the shows as usual and maybe he shouldn't have ripped on Metallica like
he does. He is just one of the legions of Metallica fans who was
disappointed with Load. Maybe he apologized because he thought he was
going too hard on one of his favorite metal bands that he's probably
enjoyed ever since high school. And I think he has a right to say
whatever the fuck he wants, he shouldn't have to shut up just because he
is famous. Do you think all the people that don't like Load and post to
the Metallica newsgroup can play guitar better than Kirk or Jaymz? No,
but they have the right to their opinion. Anyways, I prefer Dimebag's
guitar work on The Great Southern Trendkill over Kirk's on Load anyday.
Kevin Murphy
>LORDETH7 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>>
>> I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
>> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>>
>ok....I went to a concert at the Sam Boyd Silver Bowl in Las
>vegas,NV....AiC...cancelled apparently due Layne Staleys heroin
>problems....When Metallica can on stage...James said " ok guys we're
>gonna do some new shit for you"....they started playing a parody of
>Aic's "Man in the Box"...and James hetfield was making a gesture like he
>was sticking a needle in his arm......if thats not picking on I dont
>know what is...then the first show I went to in Binghamton,NY...James
>gets on Lar's drum set and James and Lars were making fun of drummers
>from bands such as Slayer, megadeth and Anthrax....
I've been a fan since RTL, and with the exception of 2X4, Ain't my
Bitch, and King Nothing, Load does absolutely nothing for me, I
wouldn't even call it a Heavy Metal album. It sounds like Metallica
trying to be Soundgarden(that's not meant to be a slam on Soundgarden,
they're one of my favorite bands, but when I put on a Metallica CD, I
want to hear hard, agressive music.) I really think the band has got
to get rid of Bob Rock and get a producer who can bring the heaviness
back to the band. My choices would be Dave Jerden(sp), Flemming(come
back man!!), or maybe John Custer, who's done some great work with CoC
in the past. I'm sad to say, Metallica have definately lost their
edge. If I want to hear a great agressive heavy band, I reach for my
Pantera or Machine Head CD's these days.
As for the slamming other bands, I fuckin' hate that!! I didn't like
the pissing matches between Mustaine and the rest of the band 10 years
ago and it really pisses me off when you have to resort to slamming
other bands. Mike Muir was one for doing that and it really soured me
on Suicidal's music because of his piss poor attitude. Making fun of
someone who's fighting a loosing battle with herion makes James look
like an asshole. I think that he should stick to playing those killer
riffs he's so good at.
Just my humble opinion. Flame if you must.
kevin.
Ryan Malenfant
First of all Fuckup can you name some instances of Metallica trashing
other bands onstage. Second Metallica does not suck, and anyone who
comes into the metallica newsgroup to trash metallica must not have to
much to do. Third Phil is an immature racist bastard, he should just
shut the fuck up. He can trash Metallica the day that he can sing as
well as hetfield or the day dimbag can play guitar as versatile or as
well as either Jaymz or Kirk. I do however listen to pantera (I just
hate the guys in the band). I will seriously consider throwing away all
of my pantera Cd's, because of this brash display of immaturity. And
another thing, does anyone notice a trend with Phil apologizing al of the
time, if he believes something he should have the balls to stick by it,
and not just apologize. Nobody in Metallica has Od ed on Herion, can
phil say the same thing.
-"It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, then it's fun you
can't see!"
Devil's Dance ACF...@prodigy.com
Gary McMillen II
Kevin Murphy wrote:
> I've been a fan since RTL, and with the exception of 2X4, Ain't my
> Bitch, and King Nothing, Load does absolutely nothing for me, I
> wouldn't even call it a Heavy Metal album. It sounds like Metallica
> trying to be Soundgarden(that's not meant to be a slam on Soundgarden,
> they're one of my favorite bands, but when I put on a Metallica CD, I
> want to hear hard, agressive music.) I really think the band has got
> to get rid of Bob Rock and get a producer who can bring the heaviness
> back to the band. My choices would be Dave Jerden(sp), Flemming(come
> back man!!), or maybe John Custer, who's done some great work with CoC
> in the past. I'm sad to say, Metallica have definately lost their
> edge. If I want to hear a great agressive heavy band, I reach for my
> Pantera or Machine Head CD's these days.
I agree. I think Bob Rock is one big reason why Metallica's music has
gone soft. The day Metallica fired Flemming and brought Bob into the
picture I knew the music was going to go soft because all of the albums
that have Bob Rock's name on them as producer are either wuss metal or
glam. I think they should bring back Flemming. I think it was a mistake
firing him in the first place.
>
> As for the slamming other bands, I fuckin' hate that!! I didn't like
> the pissing matches between Mustaine and the rest of the band 10 years
> ago and it really pisses me off when you have to resort to slamming
> other bands. Mike Muir was one for doing that and it really soured me
> on Suicidal's music because of his piss poor attitude. Making fun of
> someone who's fighting a loosing battle with herion makes James look
> like an asshole. I think that he should stick to playing those killer
> riffs he's so good at.
I dont understand it really. I think it does more harm than good to a
band's reputation to slack on other bands. Bands like metallica piss off
thier own fans by slacking on other bands becuase a lot of the fans also
listen to and are fans of the bands they are picking on. As far as James
picking on people with heroin addictions. He and the rest of Metallica
have nothing to talk about. They have had their own bouts with drugs and
alcohol.
Gary
Robert Delmedico
* In a message originally to All, dk...@students.miami.edu said:
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Pantera isn't exactly doing that...you know, their last album is their worst
in my opinion, though it is good, in my opinion Far Beyond Driven is so much
better...I heard some people saying TGSTK sucked, I was like "It's good, but
not as good"....Pantera lightened the distortion, but unfortunately, Phil's
stupid ass screaming vocals were still as loud, if not louder and more
annoying...the true reason I listen to Pantera is for Dimebag...as for no one
allowed to rag on Pantera...we already did...so there
Phil was an ass and I'm glad he admitted it
EvilSmurf
Maybe they fired Flemming because of the HORRIBLE sound quality on And
Justice For All.
EvilSmurf
Talon66
>>The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
against everything metallica originally stood for....I still like
metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
out....Load reflects that fact....<<
sounds like they just outgrew their original fan base.....happens all the
time. There weren't enough hard-core metal heads to support them any
longer, so they came a little more towards the mainstream in an effort to
pick up more fans.
Robert Delmedico
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> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:18:36 +0000, Gary McMillen II
> <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
> > LORDETH7 wrote:
> >> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of
> the
> >> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the
> canadian
> >> I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
> >> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
> > ok....I went to a concert at the Sam Boyd Silver Bowl in Las
> > vegas,NV....AiC...cancelled apparently due Layne Staleys heroin
> > problems....When Metallica can on stage...James said " ok guys we're
> > gonna do some new shit for you"....they started playing a parody of
> > Aic's "Man in the Box"...and James hetfield was making a gesture like he
> > was sticking a needle in his arm......if thats not picking on I dont
> > know what is...then the first show I went to in Binghamton,NY...James
> > gets on Lar's drum set and James and Lars were making fun of drummers
> > from bands such as Slayer, megadeth and Anthrax....
> I've been a fan since RTL, and with the exception of 2X4, Ain't my
> Bitch, and King Nothing, Load does absolutely nothing for me, I
I know you didn't write the above message, but I need to say this to Lordeth
and everybody else...METALLICA ARE CLOSE FRIENDS WITH ALICE IN CHAINS
Gary McMillen II
Actually...I dont think Flemming was responsible for mixing the
album...anyway....I think the big problem with the mix on Justice was
the bass....there is absolutely no bass guitar on And Justice for
All...
Gary
Evil Incarnate
yeah...also i think back then he was one of the BIG metal
producers...or something...
ChezLad
>>Maybe they fired Flemming because of the HORRIBLE sound quality on And
>>Justice For All.
>
>
>Actually...I dont think Flemming was responsible for mixing the
>album...anyway....I think the big problem with the mix on Justice was
>the bass....there is absolutely no bass guitar on And Justice for
>All...
Neither was correct. Flemming wasn't even supposed to produce AJFA in the
first place. Metallica wanted to try some new producers but none of them
worked out. Meanwhile, Flemming waited in Norway while the band continued
to look for a producer and they eventually went back to him. He didnt
have much time to produce the album because of time constraints, and James
and Lars did most of the producing anyway. I think the reason there is no
bass is because since it was Jason's first album, him stepping into a
dream situation and all, the rest of the band had a negative vibe towards
him and dicked with the bass on the album. Flemming was also told that he
might be asked to produce TBA, as the band went out and tried new
producers. Unfortunately, they found Bob Rock. You know the rest.
--DJA
sam...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Distribution:
Guitar World: The latest Metallica record, [Metallica], sounds great.
It's a classic example of a band working well with an outside producer.
Hetfield: It worked well because the roles were made very clear. We
brought Bob Rock in to create a great-sounding record, but we didn't want
him messing with our songs. We wanted Bob to take care of the engineering
so we could get a little looser with the songs...
Ganyssa
ChezLad posted:
>> I think the reason there is no
bass is because since it was Jason's first album, him stepping into a
dream situation and all, the rest of the band had a negative vibe towards
him and dicked with the bass on the album. Flemming was also told that he
might be asked to produce TBA, as the band went out and tried new
producers. Unfortunately, they found Bob Rock. You know the rest.<<
Altho, James has stated in several interviews that the reason there's no
bass on AJFA is because he was doubling James' guitar parts. The bass is
under James' guitar and just doesn't stand out. When Justice songs are
done live, the bass does come out much more.
J. Wilsch
In article <19970201030...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tal...@aol.com (Talon66) wrote:
>>>The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
>selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
>against everything metallica originally stood for....I still like
Hmm, This guy just doesn't get it. OK I'll explain it to you just once.
MetallicA didn't stand for anything but MetallicA. Got it?
>metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
>turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
>out....Load reflects that fact....<<
Kiss your but you fartknocker! Try to listen to load for a change and you'll
be kicked in the butt!! The album rules!
>sounds like they just outgrew their original fan base.....happens all the
>time. There weren't enough hard-core metal heads to support them any
>longer, so they came a little more towards the mainstream in an effort to
>pick up more fans.
That's not the point! You idiot! They just do what they want and don;t car
about you anyway!
Greetings
Jurgen (WILS...@CFT.PHILIPS.NL)
P.S. What is the avarage air speed velocity of a unladen swallow?
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On 2 Feb 1997 18:43:19 GMT, che...@aol.com (ChezLad) wrote:
>might be asked to produce TBA, as the band went out and tried new
>producers. Unfortunately, they found Bob Rock. You know the rest.
>
>--DJA
I believe that Bob Rock could have done wonders to MoP and AJFA if he
would have been the producer instead of FR.
Anyway the Freddie Mercury tribute single with the three songs
Metallica performed there was produced by FR
meer...@rock.helsinki.fi
On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
>LORDETH7 wrote:
>> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
>WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
>DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
>IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
>
>
Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
past, Metallica a few more though.
Mr. Stein
Not produced but mixed. Dont you all wish they would stop playing with
Bobby Rocky and try someone else??
Mr. Stein
SAMAEL
>
>Neither was correct. Flemming wasn't even supposed to produce AJFA in the
>first place. Metallica wanted to try some new producers but none of them
>worked out. Meanwhile, Flemming waited in Norway while the band continued
>to look for a producer and they eventually went back to him. He didnt
>have much time to produce the album because of time constraints, and James
>and Lars did most of the producing anyway. I think the reason there is no
>bass is because since it was Jason's first album, him stepping into a
>dream situation and all, the rest of the band had a negative vibe towards
>him and dicked with the bass on the album. Flemming was also told that he
>might be asked to produce TBA, as the band went out and tried new
>producers. Unfortunately, they found Bob Rock. You know the rest.
>
At one time Metallica tried to get Geddy Lee from RUSH to produce AJFA
Seven
exp...@acs.eku.edu wrote:
>
> In article <32EC9D...@pahrump.com>, Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> writes:
> > Evil Incarnate wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> >> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
> >> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
> >> >> facts straight.
> >>
> >> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
> >> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> >> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
> >> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> >> >anyday....and they know it...
> >>
> >> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
> >> is.
> >
> > Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
> > around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
> >> about it.
> >
> > Ahh...Then have havent been to a metallica concert have you??
> >>
> >
> The only reason metallica said those things is because they're the naked
> truth. Truth hurts.
> > Gary
Angus himself says...."We haven't made the same album 12 times...we have
made the same album 14 times!" Oh well, fuck it both bands rock.
Seven
stigim
Gary McMillen II wrote:
> The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
> selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
> against everything metallica originally stood for....
What do YOU think Metallica originally stood for? They stand for the
same things today that they stood for back then. Listen to the old
interviews with cliff where he says he wants to try new things. Yeah I
think Cliff would dig the album, He was a big fan of the EAgles, and
Blue Oyster Cult.
I have interviews with Lars from Master, Justice, TBA, and Load where
he says the same thing in each interview. "We are an inward looking
band. We worry about pleasing ourselves first and the fans second."
So they are still holding on to their original stand. Load is a NEW
direction for Metallica, I believe it was Motorbreath where Jaymz sings:
"Those people who tell you not to take chances,
They are all missing on what life's about,
You only live once so take hold of the chance,
Don't end up like others the same song and dance"
I can't think of one alternative band that Metallica sounds like. Name a
band that they sound like, I know they've lifted a riff here or there,
But Danzig isn't alternative either. Load doesn't sound stripped down
like Nirvana, or pussy like Pearl Jam. Jaymz doesn't sing the monotone
vocals.
I still like
> metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
> turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
> out....Load reflects that fact....
They'd only be burnt out if this was Master part 4.
YOu can't say a totally new sounding album is being burnt out. Maybe
they're hunger for speed, thrash or whatever you choose to call it has,
but they certainly haven't.
st.
stigim
Gary McMillen II wrote:
>
> No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
> look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
> they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the case
> of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
>
OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
three days before the show.
Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
st.
> Gary
Alfie
On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, stigim wrote:
>
> OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
> laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
> Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
> seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
> three days before the show.
> Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
> The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
> night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
> barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
yeah well with all the new frat boy and soroity girle fans of course
there going to sell out faster. Pantera has a hard core base of fans more
concentrated in some areas than others. In detroit a pantera show will
sell out in a day, in Tennessee it may not sell out. So yeah go see a
metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
i'll go to a real hard core show.
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>meer...@rock.helsinki.fi wrote:
>>
>> On 2 Feb 1997 18:43:19 GMT, che...@aol.com (ChezLad) wrote:
>>
>> >might be asked to produce TBA, as the band went out and tried new
>> >producers. Unfortunately, they found Bob Rock. You know the rest.
>> >
>> >--DJA
>>
>> I believe that Bob Rock could have done wonders to MoP and AJFA if he
>> would have been the producer instead of FR.
>> Anyway the Freddie Mercury tribute single with the three songs
>> Metallica performed there was produced by FR
>
>Not produced but mixed. Dont you all wish they would stop playing with
>Bobby Rocky and try someone else??
>
>Mr. Stein
Sure they could try someone else but I don't think that Bob is
responsible for the changes in Metallicas music.
They could try Rick Rubin or Mike Clink.
Now these guys have done a lot of different styles and lots of bands
and maybe that was what Bob Rock also wanted, to produce some metal
instead of hair bands.
Brian Shrader
Yes, finally, you admit that Metallica "SOLD OUT". So what if they sell
out a show in a day if everyone buying the tickets is a damned poser?????
I've seen Metallica and Pantera both in the last 6 months (Pantera twice)
and the Pantera shows were both better then the Metallica show by far. I
saw Pantera two days before Metallica last summer and there were 15,000
people at the Pantera show. I don't know if that venue was completely sold
out, but 15,000 people is a hell of a lot of people, and the place looked
completely packed. The best thing was that EVERYbody at the Pantera show
was totally cool. The pit was awesome, you couldn't fall down the whole
time cuz people were watchin' out for ya. It wasn't lovey and cuddly, but
people knew what the fuck was going on and everyone enjoyed the show. The
Metallica show was at Lollapalooza and it SUCKED!!!!!!! I was there to see
Soundgarden and even that was dissapointing cuz the crowd was so lousy (I
loved SG though). There were a whole bunch of fucking poser 12 year olds
there who were wearing offspring t-shirts and bush t-shirts who were also
there to see Metallica. The pit was weak and there were a whole bunch of
kids just hitting eachother cuz they didn't know what they were doing. It
was so stupid. Besides that Metallia gave such a weak performance. Yeah,
they SOLD OUT the place, but they had to SELL OUT to do it. Weak.
stigim <sti...@ici.net> wrote in article <32F985...@ici.net>...
> Gary McMillen II wrote:
>
> >
> > No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
> > look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
> > they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the
case
> > of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
> >
>
>
> OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
> laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
> Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
> seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
> three days before the show.
> Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
> The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
> night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
> barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
>
> st.
> > Gary
>
Brian Shrader
stigim <sti...@ici.net> wrote in article <32F983...@ici.net>...
> I can't think of one alternative band that Metallica sounds like. Name a
> band that they sound like, I know they've lifted a riff here or there,
> But Danzig isn't alternative either. Load doesn't sound stripped down
> like Nirvana, or pussy like Pearl Jam. Jaymz doesn't sing the monotone
> vocals.
>
Did you see them play at the MTV Europe music awards???????? They sounded
like Green Day!!!!! The guitar riffs were Green Day riffs, and James'
voice WAS "monotone vocals". The only thing that made his voice different
than the guy from GD was that stupid "I'm an american trying to sound like
a brit impersonating an american" accent that pisses me off so much. Met
just got up and did some weak GD riffs and James was saying "fuck" every
other word like he couldn't come up with something more original to say.
For a minute I thought he was taking lyrical lessons from Gangsta rap.
JDROPP
<<So yeah go see a metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy
hillfiger crap, i'll go to a real hard core show.>>
Damn.. I guess I'll got return all my fresh threads now.... You don't
like Tommy Hillfiger... I guess I'll just continue to model myself and my
life after you.
Excuse the sarcasm. But the hell does clothing have to do with ANYTHING?
Because someone wears different clothing makes them less than anyone else?
I myself would rather see a more diverse and eclectic crowd getting into
music and stuff. The clothes do not make the man.
JD
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stigim
Actually I DID see them at the Eurpe music awards and their riffs
sounded more like MISFITS and Anti-Nowhere League riffs than Green DAy.
(who owe a lot to the MISFITS) They were playing punk songs, so you are
in effect saying that Green Day has ripped off the MISFITS. And no i
didn't hear his Brit accent. Yeah Jaymz was saying fuck and twat and
cunt and cock every other word, and I thought it was great. I could just
picture all those tight ass MTV execs shitting themselves. Besides those
were the words to So What which Jaymz didn't right. Sounds to me like
you only know Metallica, Pantera and Green Day.
charlie
Alfie wrote:
>
>
> So yeah go see a
> metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
> i'll go to a real hard core show.
>
right now.
--
charlie
please post all responses. my email address on this post is incorrect
in hopes of thwarting the efforts of the bulk-emailers to send me
unsolicited and annoying email. if you must email me, my correct
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J.D. Stoner
> yeah well with all the new frat boy and soroity girle fans of course
> there going to sell out faster. Pantera has a hard core base of fans more
> concentrated in some areas than others. In detroit a pantera show will
> metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
> i'll go to a real hard core show.
Luckily, where I live, it isn't cool to like MetallicA. Therefor there most
recent concert here was filled with true fans that know that they have more
than 2 albums.
J.D. Stoner
>i saw them last
> sunday...they all had the biggest goofiest >grins youve ever seen
..james gets
> the whole crowd to chant in unison (brace >yourself) 'we dont give a
shit' whoop
> whoop!
They used to chant "Metal up your ass". that sounds goofy to me as well.
but it still is cool (that was 83-84)
>they have totally lost the seriousness they >had on justice tour...they
> were just fucking around the whole >concert...
While playing, I found that they maintained their seriousness. They only
screwed around inbetween songs. That is the way that they have always been.
They don't go up and give the "I don't have to be here, I am just getting
money" attitude that the alternative shit groups made so popular. (and the
stupid ass sex pistols). I don't think the stage presence has changed that
much
>and it was SO loud that 3 days
> later my right ear is still not able to >hear someone sitting next to me,
and i
> have been to at least 12 metallica shows >and an equal number of
pantera...one
> show on FBD tour was loud enough to really >really hurt, but this one was
louder
> past taht point
They do definately keep it loud. My ears rang pretty loud for 3 days. But I
didn't mind. I just thought of why they are ringing, and that cheered me
up. I am not a regular concert goer though. If I saw them on a regular
basis, I would surely wear earplugs. It's not worth fuckin your ears up for
life.
Evil Incarnate
"J.D. Stoner" <kt...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
yeah. they know about the first album. they know about justice. :)
-Daemonic
James S. Kang
I didn't catch the beginning...Phil apologized?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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We shall arise!"
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Kimmy Samuelsson
Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
Merix
Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
gl...@gnofn.org
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Kimmy Samuelsson wrote:
> meer...@rock.helsinki.fi wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
> >
> > >LORDETH7 wrote:
> > >> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
> > >WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
> > >DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
> > >IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
> > >
> > >
> > Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
> > music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
> > past, Metallica a few more though.
>
> Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
>
I missed this thread. Did anyone post the article? I'd like to read it.
Greg L.Stassi
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<gl...@gnofn.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Kimmy Samuelsson wrote:
>> meer...@rock.helsinki.fi wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
>> >
>> > >LORDETH7 wrote:
>> > >> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
>> > >WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
>> > >DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
>> > >IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
>> > music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
>> > past, Metallica a few more though.
>>
>> Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
>>
>I missed this thread. Did anyone post the article? I'd like to read it.
i dunno... but i have another article, from my local newspaper of all
places, that i'm gonna post... its a pretty good article... good
enough for me to take my time to type up...i even typed up the
"[expletive]" parts...heheheh..
OVERDOSE PUT PANTERA'S PHIL ANSELMO ON A STRAIGHTER PATH
by thor christensen
You cant be a headbanger if you're losing your head. But Phil Alselmo
didnt learn that lesson until he was halfway to the morgue.
"I died and came back to life, to be quite honest with you, and it
really opened my eyes," says Mr. Anselmo, lead growler for the Dallas
metal band Pantera. "I'm through with the deluded path, the blinded
path, the narcotic path."
The 29-year-old singer was strolling down that path July 13th, 1996,
when he overdosed on heroin backstage after a Pantera show at
Coca-Cola Starplex. Paramedics revived him, and the singer issued a
press release four days later saying, "I, Philip H. Anselmo ...
injected a lethal dose of heroin into my arm, and died for four to
five minutes," the statement said. "...I have recovered completely and
the Pantera tour continues uninterrupted."
But Mr. Anselmo didnt walk away from the overdose unfazed.
"I took it as a sign that I cant be irresponsible anymore... I cant
regress into some infantile stage where people have to take care of
me. I've got too much work to do to be wasted all the time," says Mr.
Anselmo, who performs Saturday night with Pantera at Fair Park
Coliseum.
Formed in Arlington in the early '80s as a glam-metal band, Pantera
grew into a word-of-mouth sensation after Mr. Anselmo joined in 1987
and the band released its punk-influenced major-label debut album,
Cowboys From Hell (1990). Instead of steering toward a mass audience,
Pantera went the opposite direction.
Their songs -- about psychotic people living in a world headed for
destruction -- grew increasingly raw and foreboding. And the mass
audience came to them.
The group's 1994 album, Far Beyond Driven, debuted at No. 1 on the
Billboard pop albums chart and sold 2 million copies worldwide -- a
startling number for music that gets almost no airplay on radio or
MTV. Pantera's fourth and latest album, The Great Southern Trendkill,
has sold more than 500,000 copies in the United States and earned a
Grammy nomination for best metal performance (for the song Suicide
Note Part 1).
But while Pantera was cementing its status as one of the heaviest
bands in metal, Mr. Anselmo was turning into the same brain-impaired
stoner he mocked in songs like "Good Friends and a Bottle Of Pills".
After abusing downers and other pills for years, he turned to heroin
-- being careful to hide his addiction from his bandmates Vinnie Paul
Abbott (drums), "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott (guitar) and Rex Brown
(bass).
The overdose was inevitable, Mr. Anselmo says, but surviving it was
pure luck.
"Had I been on the bus or on the road somewhere where there werent
paramedics right there, I'd be dead today," he says. "I was just in
the right place at the right time."
Mr. Anselmo hasnt exactly turned into a choirboy since his near
death experience.
"I still smoke a little of the green bud and have a beer after a
show," he says.
And he still speaks in the same surly, expletive-laced manner of a
guy with an 80-pound chip on his shoulder.
But the days of thinking he was invincible are over, he says.
"I used to figure nothing could beat me, but after years of abuse,
your mind stops working well, and I'm sick of being in the dark," he
says. "Its nice having my head back on straight because I'm tired of
meeting people I've met before, or hearing about these things I did or
said and not remembering any of them."
One thing he'd rather not remember are his public attacks on
Metallica last year. Mr. Anselmo repeatedly ripped into his colleages
onstage for experimenting with nonmetal styles on their Load album:
"Metallica has wimped out! Their new album [expletive]! I know it,
you know it," he told the crowd at Starplex in July.
"It started as me ribbing them, but I'd be so high onstage that I
didnt even know what I was saying," he says. "I've got nothing
against Metallica ... They could put out an album of [expletive]
spoons and harps and I'd still be a fan. I've definitely tried to come
out in the press and apologize to them."
But the singer refuses to apologize for Pantera's purist approach to
heavy metal.
"I could never [expletive] expiriment like Metallica did, and it
aint out of fear. Its just out of loyalty to our fans," he says.
"When I meet the fans backstage, they say 'god bless you for not
changing', and 'thank you, thank you, thank you for not selling out'.
I just couldnt bear to see the looks on their faces if we tried to
branch out and add industrial sounds or something. It wouldnt be fair
to the fans."
Some critics describe Pantera's young, mostly male fans as Beavis
and Butthead incarnate.
"Even the good reviews all say things like 'Pantera's [expletive]
fans are the ugliest, stupidest [expletive] people in the [expletive]
world,'" the singer says.
But for Mr. Anselmo, those [expletive] fans are a constant source of
amazement.
"They dont come to our shows because they saw us on MTV for four
seconds, and now they're curious... These are diehards who show up
totally rabid. They're as pumped up as we are, and they give
[expletive] 210 percent, and its beautiful, man," he says.
"One reason I'm so happy to be awake again and alive is just to see
these fans go ape [expletive] at our shows every night... It makes me
feel like I'm 15 again, jumping up and down in front of a mirror with
Kiss' Alive playing. Its like finding the fountain of youth -- you see
the fans, and there's no way you're ready to pack it in and go listen
to the new Pat Boone record."
Rob Morris
> Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
> say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!!! LOAD BLOWS! TRENDKILL IS A MASTERPEICE!!
Rob
Jonas Ohlsson
TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
/Jonas Ohlsson
Brian Shrader
Jonas Ohlsson <jzt...@algonet.se> wrote in article
<331731...@algonet.se>...
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
>
That would be exactly two more rocking songs than are on Load. All the
songs on Metallica's latest SUCK. What a dissapointment.
Link
Disclaimer: The post below is simply my opinion, I am not accusing of anybody of a traiterous act for having a
opinion different than mine.
Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>
> Rob Morris wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
> > > say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
> >
> > YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!!! LOAD BLOWS! TRENDKILL IS A MASTERPEICE!!
> > Rob
>
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
As opposed to a bunch of crap on Load?!!! When I read the lyrics to "ain't my bitch" I just about shit myself
laughing so hard. And I thought King NOthing was Tripping Daisy the first time I heard it. I also thought I
was watching a R.E.M. or Smashing Pumpkins video for until it sleeps. I have lost all faith in Metallica.
--
"WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT????!!!! _FUCK YOU!!!!!!_"
Brian Johnston
EvilSmurf
Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
And how many really rocking songs are on Load?