MegaDeth vs. Metallica
Horace Schnagg
I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
Horace Schnagg
George Winistorfer
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like both bands. They have different
styles of music, but they play to the same audience. Megadeth has more of
a finger on the pulse of society style, while Metallica is more gothic and
surreal. Rust in Peace is probably one of my favorite albums of all time,
while ...And Justice runs a close second. Kirk Hammett is a great lead
guitar player, while Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
Horace Schnagg <Nort...@cris.com> wrote in article
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Harald Kildal
In article <55eph8$s...@herald.concentric.net>,
Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
>General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
>better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
>why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
>as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
I think both bands are great. Both Rust in peace and And justice for all are
fantastic.
Great things about Rust in peace:
*great songs
*great rhythm guitar
*great solo guitar
best song: Holy war
Great things about And justice for all:
*great songs
*great lyrics
*great rhythm guitar
*great vocals
best song: And justice for all
Vegard
David Mayerson
I'd have to say it is a tie. Megadeth and Metallica are both survivors
of the mindless 80's. They set the genre, and they both seem to come out
even in the end.
dku...@ix.netcom.com
Horace Schnagg wrote:
>
> I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
> General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
> better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
> why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
> as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
To me, the answer is obvious. ..And Justice For All is the best album of
all time. It offers great rhythms, solos, and drumming, but what makes
this album better are the lyrics and the vocals. Although musically Rust
In Peace matches Justice evenly, some of the lyrics, like "the crystal
ball is energized", are just not my thing. Regarding the whole "I can't
hear the bass" problem, I never was a big fan of bass playing because it
sounds warm. I definately do not want to her any warm sounds while a
guitarist is trying to get the right "CRUNCH". Despite all this, RUST IN
PEACE is my second favorite album of all time, and I recommend it to
everyone. Currently, Megadeth are the best heavy metal band and WILL
show the world what REAL metal is when their new album is released.
"You have been great...We have been Megadeth"
dku...@ix.netcom.com
Piasexy wrote:
>
> > Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
>
> even come close to Jaymz, you must admit that.
You're absolutely right...Mustaine doesn't come close. Mustaine is way
ahead of Jaymz. Jaymz's riffs are often too boring, despite the speed,
to interest me. As for the riffs (what riffs?) on LOAD, they just plain
suck. Compare just the rhythm guitar fills on Rust In Peace or Countdown
To Extinction to any Metallica album. They are infinately better than
most Metallica riffs. Nevertheless, Jaymz has produced some classic
riffs like the lead riff in "Master Of Puppets", "For Whom The Bell
Tolls", and most songs off Justice, which is easily their best album as
far as rhythm goes.
Patrick C Mills
George Winistorfer (gs...@interaccess.com) wrote:
: Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like both bands. They have different
: styles of music, but they play to the same audience. Megadeth has more of
: a finger on the pulse of society style, while Metallica is more gothic and
: surreal. Rust in Peace is probably one of my favorite albums of all time,
: while ...And Justice runs a close second. Kirk Hammett is a great lead
Ditto. I see no sense in thinking that if you like one, then you HAVE to
hate the other...
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dku...@ix.netcom.com displayed his intelligence by writing:
> Regarding the whole "I can't
> hear the bass" problem, I never was a big fan of bass playing because it
> sounds warm. I definately do not want to her any warm sounds while a
> guitarist is trying to get the right "CRUNCH".
ummm... it doesn't seem to be that difficult to make a bass sound not
warm... listen to To Live is To Die... not a warm sound... I'm kinda
tired now, so I can't think of other examples, but, they're there...
rob
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Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
>General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
>better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
>why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
>as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
I like both bands. But I prefer Metallica over Megadeth ...something
annoying about Mustaine's vocals.
James S. Kang
In article <327BF5...@ix.netcom.com>, dku...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>Piasexy wrote:
>>
>> > Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
>>
>> even come close to Jaymz, you must admit that.
>
>You're absolutely right...Mustaine doesn't come close. Mustaine is way
>ahead of Jaymz. Jaymz's riffs are often too boring, despite the speed,
>to interest me. As for the riffs (what riffs?) on LOAD, they just plain
>suck. Compare just the rhythm guitar fills on Rust In Peace or Countdown
>To Extinction to any Metallica album.
Master and Justice have a lot of great subtle fills.
They are infinately better than
>most Metallica riffs. Nevertheless, Jaymz has produced some classic
>riffs like the lead riff in "Master Of Puppets", "For Whom The Bell
>Tolls", and most songs off Justice, which is easily their best album as
>far as rhythm goes.
Mustaine may write more complex riffs, but that doesn't mean that they're
necessarily better, or, that he's a better rhythm player, which is what we're
talking about. I like Megadeth, but rhythm guitar-wise, they don't get as
much grit into the sound. James downpicks almost everything, including a lot
of fast stuff, and that, in addition to the way his rig is set up, gives his
riffs more solidity and more bassiness. If you ever watch a live Megadeth
video closely (or get to the front at a show and stay there long enough),
you'll notice that he uses alternate picking on almost everything, even a lot
of slow stuff. It doesn't really matter on a lot of those fast riffs that are
supposed to sound fast and not heavy (mostly on Rust In Peace), but in
mid-tempo riffs, James's sound and style crushes Dave's.
On all of their albums, except for maybe Countdown, they sound like they use
too much distortion and have too much high end, which also probably makes
their rhythm sound less intense.
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In article <327BF5...@ix.netcom.com> dku...@ix.netcom.com writes:
>From: dku...@ix.netcom.com
>Subject: Re: MegaDeth vs. Metallica
>Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 17:28:41 -0800
>Piasexy wrote:
>>
>> > Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
>>
>> I must agree that Dave is a great rhythm guitarist but still he can not
>> even come close to Jaymz, you must admit that.
>You're absolutely right...Mustaine doesn't come close. Mustaine is way
>ahead of Jaymz. Jaymz's riffs are often too boring, despite the speed,
>to interest me. As for the riffs (what riffs?) on LOAD, they just plain
>suck. Compare just the rhythm guitar fills on Rust In Peace or Countdown
>To Extinction to any Metallica album. They are infinately better than
>most Metallica riffs. Nevertheless, Jaymz has produced some classic
>riffs like the lead riff in "Master Of Puppets", "For Whom The Bell
>Tolls", and most songs off Justice, which is easily their best album as
>far as rhythm goes.
The thing to remember is that Mustaine also plays a lot of lead guitar...
Parasite
Wally wrote:
> Metallica hands down. Metallica is metal. Megadeth followed Metallica.
Yeah, that's good logic. How about: Motorhead is metal, Metallica followed Motorhead,
therefore Motorhead is better. It's not a valid argument. Megadeth is metal too and
maybe even more 'metallica' than Metallica.
=Parasite
sto...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Robert D. Roth (car...@imsa.edu) wrote:
: I do say, that is an ass kickin solo, but a decent amount of it is
: that warm sound he was talking about... (though, there's no crunch
: being played on top of it.) It's a similar feeling to the second half
: of Orion.
its still a kickin sound... in orion especially.. the warm sounds at that
part make the other parts sound like they have more "crunch", its the
contrast that makes it intereting...
Wally
Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
>General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
>better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
>why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
>as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
Metallica hands down. Metallica is metal. Megadeth followed Metallica.
And I'd pick Ride the Lighting, or maybe the Black album, or maybe And
Justice For All. Metallica just rule in the metal department. Theres
them, and then theres everyone else.
dku...@ix.netcom.com
Good point. Contrast is a very good thing, but I still feel that bass is
not a prominent part of a typical metal band. Some will agrue that it
provides foundation. Well, it does, but that foundation is subsonic and
many times becomes obsolete. Some songs are even hindered by the
presence of bass. As far as contrast goes, the bass is often to "boomy"
and dull. No matter how good of a bass player someone is and no matter
what type of processing equipment that person uses, the result is the
same. The bass was not meant to be played fast. This is why certain
songs, like Orion, come off well, because the bass is played slow to
contrast the faster "meaty" guitar parts.
dku...@ix.netcom.com
Ryan Malenfant wrote:
>
> Hetfield is a whole hell of a lot better than mustaine. Jaymz can play
> nearly everything and he plays with an unrivaled passion. His genius for
> composition and riff writing and placement of riffs within a song cannot
> be questioned. Hetfield is truly the beter rythem guitar player. Jaymz
> is also a mush better singer with a better vocal range than Mustaine.
Oh yeah, well have Hetfield try to play a Mustaine solo. Whenever
Hetfield seriously tries to solo, it comes off as a bad blues rip-off.
Mustaine buries Hetfield on rhythm and on lead. Although Hetfield has a
better singing voice, Mustaine has a better talking voice (which I
prefer in metal music). Mustaine's lyrics are more intelligent, whereas
Hetfield's, with the exception of anything off Justice, are weak and
adolescent.
dku...@ix.netcom.com
> I like Megadeth, but rhythm guitar-wise, they don't get as
> much grit into the sound. James downpicks almost everything, including a lot
> of fast stuff, and that, in addition to the way his rig is set up, gives his
> riffs more solidity and more bassiness. If you ever watch a live Megadeth
> video closely (or get to the front at a show and stay there long enough),
> you'll notice that he uses alternate picking on almost everything, even a lot
> of slow stuff. It doesn't really matter on a lot of those fast riffs that are
> supposed to sound fast and not heavy (mostly on Rust In Peace), but in
> mid-tempo riffs, James's sound and style crushes Dave's.
>
> On all of their albums, except for maybe Countdown, they sound like they use
> too much distortion and have too much high end, which also probably makes
> their rhythm sound less intense.
provides more subtle textural changes whereas downpicking often sounds
repetative and boring. A combination of both downpicking and alternate
picking within the same riff (or when repeating a riff) makes all the
difference in the world.
Mark Alexander Yahya
James S. Kang (j--...@nwu.edu) wrote:
: Mustaine may write more complex riffs, but that doesn't mean that they're
: necessarily better, or, that he's a better rhythm player, which is what we're
: talking about. I like Megadeth, but rhythm guitar-wise, they don't get as
: much grit into the sound. James downpicks almost everything, including a lot
: of fast stuff, and that, in addition to the way his rig is set up, gives his
: riffs more solidity and more bassiness. If you ever watch a live Megadeth
: video closely (or get to the front at a show and stay there long enough),
: you'll notice that he uses alternate picking on almost everything, even a lot
: of slow stuff. It doesn't really matter on a lot of those fast riffs that are
: supposed to sound fast and not heavy (mostly on Rust In Peace), but in
: mid-tempo riffs, James's sound and style crushes Dave's.
I don't think you can say that one way is better than the other, because
there's no real way of determining what is "better". Try the guys from Rush
or Dream Theater for complexity or Hanneman for speed, or Crowbar for
heaviness. None of them is better than the other.
: On all of their albums, except for maybe Countdown, they sound like they use
: too much distortion and have too much high end, which also probably makes
: their rhythm sound less intense.
I prefer the sound on "Rust In Peace" to all other Megadeth records. It's
just so direct.
BTW, I think Dave's lyrics are way better than James' ... *just kidding*
Sami
"They killed my wife
and my baby ..."
LarZ
Horace Schnagg wrote:
>
> I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
> General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
> better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
> why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
> as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
I don't think either is better than the other. I feel that they both
have their legend qualities and that makes them unique but once again,
not necessarily competitive.
Nick Menza in Rust in Peace (lead drums as written in the CD sleeve
<laugh>) plays some really cool rhythms which steer away from the
general rock/metal format which is good to see and is fun to play.
Lars in Justice seems to concentrate more on double kick shit, but once
again, good to hear and fun to play.
They both possess some serious energy, and political messages and shit
aside, it's a hell of a lot better than constantly listening to shit
from other bands who base their lyrics on nothing BUT death and murder
and shit for the sake of shock value.
That's my opinion anyways.
Adios,
LarZ
Z. Liu
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
: I like both bands. But I prefer Metallica over Megadeth ...something
: annoying about Mustaine's vocals.
True, it me took a long time to get use to Dave's voice. I used to hate
"Rust In Peace," but now I'm addicted to it. Both bands kick ass! Or
should I say "kicked"?
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Interesting, haven't seen too many Metallica vs. Megadeth threads
lately. Here's my contribution:
First of all, I have no interest in trying to determine which
band's better. Both have released classic metal albums and then
some that were not so classic. I do think that the musicianship
in Megadeth is superior, at least technically. But then, James
Hetfield is the best frontman in his genre, and that's still
Metallica's greatest asset.
There was some discussion regarding Mustaine and Hetfields
rhythm playing. I agree that the biggest difference in that
department is that fact that Hetfield down picks and Mustaine
uses alternate picking. Someone suggested that the latter is
somewhat easier and that that makes Mustaine's playing inferior.
I'd disagree on that. Alternate picking is technically a lot
harder than straight down picking, which mainly requires
a strong right hand. The techinque in itself is crude. Having
personally started playing along to Metallica records and
only later Megadeth, I realised that 'Deth songs demand a
lot more practise. For instance Master Of Puppets which
is a hard song to play was still easier to get down than
Architecture of Aggression, mainly because the latter
has to be played with alt. picking.
These are just my experiences of course, and yeah I'm
nit picking.
I hope both bands release more good records with great
riffs, 'cause their latest records have been lacking
in that department.
Hail James, Hail Dave!
Bo Shek, Est Muy bien Ltd.
Joseph Phillips
dku...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
: > I like Megadeth, but rhythm guitar-wise, they don't get as
: > much grit into the sound. James downpicks almost everything, including a lot
: > of fast stuff, and that, in addition to the way his rig is set up, gives his
: > riffs more solidity and more bassiness. If you ever watch a live Megadeth
: > video closely (or get to the front at a show and stay there long enough),
: > you'll notice that he uses alternate picking on almost everything, even a lot
: > of slow stuff. It doesn't really matter on a lot of those fast riffs that are
: > supposed to sound fast and not heavy (mostly on Rust In Peace), but in
: > mid-tempo riffs, James's sound and style crushes Dave's.
: > too much distortion and have too much high end, which also probably makes
: > their rhythm sound less intense.
: repetative and boring. A combination of both downpicking and alternate
: picking within the same riff (or when repeating a riff) makes all the
: difference in the world.
Are you out of your mind???!!! how can Hetfield compare to Mustaine?
At least Mustaine can play lead guitar.
Andrew Ariens
On 4 Nov 1996 14:18:25 GMT, tequ...@wam.umd.edu (Z. Liu) wrote:
>jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
>: I like both bands. But I prefer Metallica over Megadeth ...something
>: annoying about Mustaine's vocals.
>
>True, it me took a long time to get use to Dave's voice. I used to hate
>"Rust In Peace," but now I'm addicted to it. Both bands kick ass! Or
>should I say "kicked"?
Yeah, Dave's voice is kind of an 'acquired taste'. :) But he does
have a pretty good voice that's unique and unmistakeable.
--
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Mark Alexander Yahya
dku...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
: Oh yeah, well have Hetfield try to play a Mustaine solo. Whenever
: Hetfield seriously tries to solo, it comes off as a bad blues rip-off.
: Mustaine buries Hetfield on rhythm and on lead. Although Hetfield has a
: better singing voice, Mustaine has a better talking voice (which I
: prefer in metal music). Mustaine's lyrics are more intelligent, whereas
: Hetfield's, with the exception of anything off Justice, are weak and
: adolescent.
I actually prefer Hetfield's soloing to the crap Fukin Kirk is playing. I
really can't believe that this guy was taught by Satriani. And I actually
like a lot of the lyrics on Load, while I agree that Dave's lyrics beat
any of Hetfields stuff on any day. Well, I consider them to be the best
lyrics of any band ...
Sami
"Hello me, meet the real me ..."
Morris
Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
but I don't like his singing
I don't like dave's leads much...they are sort of goofy
Like...lets do this pattern and move up a fret and do it again
and move up a fret and do it again....blah blah
Marty Rules...best thing going for Megadeth
Overall Metallica is the better band, I think this is the
consensus of opinion from what I have read.
George Winistorfer
oh another thing, I have seen both bands live, Metallica sounds alot
better, but the black outfits and james changing his name to Jaymz kind of
turns me off. Megadeth just walks on stage in jeans and begins jamming,
what they lack in showmanship, they MORE than make up for in ability,
attitude, and aggression. I'm not knocking metallica though, I just havent
liked them as much since ...And Justice (tied with master for best album)
Horace Schnagg <Nort...@cris.com> wrote in article
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LarZ
> > I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
> > General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
> > better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the
> reasons
> > why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments
> such
> > as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
> >
> >
>
> is Peace is a great album (although I prefer Peace Sells, and
> Countdown) but I just don't think it is of the same caliber. Maybe one
> of the reasons is how I like Jaymz's voice a lot more than I like
> Dave's. I think that tha And Justice also sounds better produced
> (except for the lacking bass and sometimes cardboard drums).
I agree, the bass was hardly there, and Lars' kick drums had too much
click and not enough bottom end. I like a good blend of both in my
playing but that's something that was well polished in the Load album
(the black album still had a bit too much click and needed a little more
punch).
As for Dave's vocals, yeah, well everyone knows that he stinks as a
vocalist 3#-) Sounds like a strangled cat at times 3#-)
> Rust's production sometimes reminds me of Kill 'em all (not very good
> production)
I don't know about that. Sometimes you can over-produce a recording. For
the better part of it, Rust sounds more "au naturale", more real rather
than synthetic like some death metal bands for example (with the
synthetic sounding drums and stuff). A poorly produced album is one
which sounds like it was done in a garage rather than a studio (kinda
like Kill 'em All) and lacks the energy being put out as such. But that
will almost always happen on a small budget plan, unless you know
someone who can lend you the right equipment.
Adios,
LarZ
Johan Hansson
I agree that Metallica is the better band overall but you must
admit that "Rust in peace" is a masterpiece (not the singing though).
I love "Rust in peace" but that´s about as good as Megadeth gets.
Peace sells, Killing is my..., So far... they all suck.
/Johan Hansson
Javier A. Villalba
On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Wally wrote:
> Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>
> >I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
> >General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
> >better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
> >why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
> >as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
>
> Metallica hands down. Metallica is metal. Megadeth followed Metallica.
> And I'd pick Ride the Lighting, or maybe the Black album, or maybe And
> Justice For All. Metallica just rule in the metal department. Theres
> them, and then theres everyone else.
>
I think that if you are going to compare metallica and Megadeth,
Metallica will get the best out of if. That is true Megadeth did follow
Metallica. But we must also keep in mind that Dave Mustaine did help
Metallica on the kill em' all album. They are both good bands but
Metallia is better in my opinion. Now the best albums for me would be
Master of Puppets and the Black Album.
Charles Kontos #9
dku...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Ryan Malenfant wrote:
> >
> > Hetfield is a whole hell of a lot better than mustaine. Jaymz can play
> > nearly everything and he plays with an unrivaled passion. His genius for
> > composition and riff writing and placement of riffs within a song cannot
> > be questioned. Hetfield is truly the beter rythem guitar player. Jaymz
> > is also a mush better singer with a better vocal range than Mustaine.
>
> Hetfield seriously tries to solo, it comes off as a bad blues rip-off.
> Mustaine buries Hetfield on rhythm and on lead. Although Hetfield has a
> better singing voice, Mustaine has a better talking voice (which I
> prefer in metal music). Mustaine's lyrics are more intelligent, whereas
> Hetfield's, with the exception of anything off Justice, are weak and
thought behind them. Of course if you continue to make up lyrics that
rhyme they will sound better. Mustaine's lyrics convey a message. Just
take a look at load , about 90% of the words are less than 2 syllables.
I guess Hetfield forgot how to come up with meaningful lyrics.
Rausse the Wondersmurf
I wouldn't say that those albums suck. Production
wise, So Far, So Good, So What is crap, but musically it's great (except
for 502). Rust in Peace, to me, is better than any Metallica album, music
wise, except for Justice. Production wise, it's a tough call.
James
Jaakko Olavi Vehkaperä
Charles Kontos #9 (kon...@injersey.com) wrote:
Exactly. No lyrical substance whatsoever on that record.
Adrian
Charles Kontos #9 <kon...@injersey.com> wrote in article
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I am fucking offended by the notion that Hetfield cannot write
meaningful/thoughtful lyrics! His writing might not be as direct as
Mustaine's, and it does actually require a brain to understand Hetfield's
lyrics. By saying that they are meaningless you are simply admitting that
you have an IQ of no more than 70. Hetfield uses metaphors symbols and
analogies to convey his meassage. Just coz you are a dumbass and can't
understand the meaaning doesn't mean it isn't there. If you're used to Dave
just telling exactly what the song is about and leaving nothing for you to
work out, fine! But don't go winging that you don't get Hetfield's Lyrics
just cause they are more intelligent. Although i really like Mustaine's
lyrics i consider just plain stupid to say that Hetfield's are meaningless.
If you don't like em too bad... but don't say they suck, coz they do not.
Example off the top of my head:
Mustaine:
"Take some time to show you around,
Impossible to break these walls,
For you see the steel is much too strong"
Hetfield:
"More a man more stripes you wear,
glory-seeker trends,
Bodies fill the fields I see, the slaughter never ends."
Comapre for yourself...
--
Adrian
agi...@tpgi.com.au
http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/agibas/schoolsux.htm
Homer J. Simpson
David Mayerson <"Dave Mayerson"@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
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> I'd have to say it is a tie. Megadeth and Metallica are both survivors
> of the mindless 80's. They set the genre, and they both seem to come out
> even in the end.
>
Megadeth is o.k. but I wouldn't go anywhere near saying they were a tie,
metallica was metal. Everyone else was on there coatails. They were almost
as far ahead of there time as sabbath was in the 70's. Also megadeth has
failed to change with the times, there albums are the same (is that good or
bad??).
Andrew.
Paul Daniel Strausbaugh
On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Wally wrote:
> Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>
> >I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
> >General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
> >better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
> >why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
> >as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
>
> Metallica hands down. Metallica is metal. Megadeth followed Metallica.
> And I'd pick Ride the Lighting, or maybe the Black album, or maybe And
> Justice For All. Metallica just rule in the metal department. Theres
> them, and then theres everyone else.
>
>
>
>
I haven't heard a whole lot of Megadeth so I won't comment but on the
subject of Mettalica I'd have to say that Master of Puppets is easily
their best album. Ride the lightening is good and Justice for all is o.k.
The Black album however is essentially a cheesy pop album. It sold a lot
of records but it really didn't break any ground. In fact, on the Black
album metallica really strayed away from some of the things that made
them unique and orginal, longer songs meaningful lyrics.
James S. Kang
*Rhythm guitar-wise,* as said above. Besides, rhythm guitar is fundamental to
the sound of a metal band. Not that Megadeth has bad rhythm guitars, but if
you can't lay the a strong foundation, leads aren't going to make up for it.
James has (or had, I guess) the possibly more powerful, not necessarily raw or
brutal, rhythm guitar sound. The perfect blend of grit, rhythmic precision,
and aggression.
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Sylvain Perreault
Just to set the record straight: Lars Ulrich wrote much on the lirics on
Metallica`s songs, Hetfield don`t write much lirics but he almost wrote
all the music. For me Megadeth is a better band than Metallica now i
think they`re tighter and the solos of Marty Friedman are much better
than those of Hamett. But we have to wait `till we hear the new Megadeth
album to decide what is the best metal band right now.
Metallica reached their plateau with Master of Puppets, and Megadeth
reached it with Rust in Peace. Anyway everybody knows that both of these
bands are light miles musically than all the other metal bands...
Keep on rockin`
sly
Parasite
Adrian wrote:
> I am fucking offended by the notion that Hetfield cannot write
> meaningful/thoughtful lyrics! His writing might not be as direct as
> Mustaine's, and it does actually require a brain to understand Hetfield's
> lyrics.
Mustaine has never been as blatant as you accuse him of being? Try figuring out some
what songs off of Killing is My Business mean. They are much more deep than anything
off of Kill Em All or even Ride the Lightning if you ask me (I'm talking about song like
"Looking Down the Cross" and "Chosen Ones.") And Mustaine's lyrics get better and better
with time. Speaking of blatant, did you ever hear any song off onf And Justice for
All? It's all spelled right out for you, more so than on any Megadeth album. And Load
is just so tongue-in-cheek that I doubt anyone is going to be able to figure out what
the hell James is talking about. At least Mustaine makes it possible to find out.
> By saying that they are meaningless you are simply admitting that
> you have an IQ of no more than 70. Hetfield uses metaphors symbols and
> analogies to convey his meassage.
Everyone does that.
> Just coz you are a dumbass and can't
> understand the meaaning doesn't mean it isn't there. If you're used to Dave
> just telling exactly what the song is about and leaving nothing for you to
> work out, fine!
That's a ridiculous claim too. I interpreted many Megadeth songs, try going to my page
at http://www.uwm.edu/~overkill/megadeth.html and reading some. A lof them were not
easy to interpret, believe me. Do you think you can tell me what "Elysian Fields" or
"Ashes in you Mouth" is about if it's so simple?
> "More a man more stripes you wear,
> glory-seeker trends,
> Bodies fill the fields I see, the slaughter never ends."
How about:
"Tears streak his solemn stare
Abandoned for wreckage, nobody cares
No what knoew what would happen there
No one asked no one ever dared"
It's pointless getting into a war of lyrics, so don't even try it.
=Parasite
Parasite
Adrian wrote:
Everyone does that.
How about:
No one knew what would happen there
Parasite
Homer J. Simpson wrote:
> Megadeth is o.k. but I wouldn't go anywhere near saying they were a tie,
> metallica was metal. Everyone else was on there coatails. They were almost
> as far ahead of there time as sabbath was in the 70's.
Slayer, Anthrax, and other bands were around at the same time as Metallica and they
didn't rip or try to rip Metallica off. Metallica was just the first to get signed to a
major label and opened the door for other metal bands.
> Also megadeth has
> failed to change with the times, there albums are the same (is that good or
> bad??).
That doesn't sound like an informed opinion to me, sorry. No two Megadeth albums sounds
alike. Well, maybe Killing is My Business sounds a little like Peace Sells..., but no
more than Kill Em' All sounds like Master of Puppets. Megadeth is constantly changing
its sound. You should have seen how many peopel were (and still are) bitching about how
much different Youthanasia sounds, compared to Megadeth's other albums.
=Parasite
billp...@aol.com
To me both bands kick ass musicaly and lyricaly, but I hate Mustaines
bitchy attitude.
Bob
>ummm... it doesn't seem to be that difficult to make a bass sound not
>warm... listen to To Live is To Die... not a warm sound... I'm kinda
>tired now, so I can't think of other examples, but, they're there...
The reason for the bass the way it is on Justice is that it was
recorded very poorley. I really can't see how any of you can even
compare megadeth to metallica, because of the EXTREME tallent
difference between them. Metallica was/is/will always be so much
better you cannot compare, and until i hear something out of Megadeth
that even comes close to being 1/4 as good as the Puppets album, i
will continue to speak my mind on this subject (well, guess that I
will never quit on this then...).
***Another question:
What the HELL is Megadeth supposed to mean? Just sit and think about
it for a minute....Well....i think I have proved my point. Megadeth
makes absolutely no sense, and is actually pretty stupid. Now i'll get
all these flamers so: Metallica is spanish for 'metal.' They took the
name when they heard of a rumored underground newspaper in the
southern california (SF. LA, etc) that was going to take on the same
name, so they took it first. I can't remember where I heard this, but
in the REALLY early days (probably when jaymz and lars were like 12
years old or whetever) they went under 'Red Vette' and some other gay
name. but still "MEGADETH"????? hmmmm.....
Bob
>I agree that Metallica is the better band overall but you must
>admit that "Rust in peace" is a masterpiece (not the singing though).
Yes....But i bet in the matter of a few days there will probably be
posts like "Killing is my business...and business is good" is SO much
better than Hendrix's "Are You Aeperienced?"
dku...@ix.netcom.com
Bob wrote:
>
> What the HELL is Megadeth supposed to mean? Just sit and think about
> it for a minute....Well....i think I have proved my point. Megadeth
> makes absolutely no sense, and is actually pretty stupid.
Mega = one thousand
Deth = death
one thousand deaths
It's a hell of a lot better than Metallica (Spanish for metal...ha!). I
bet those metalheads in Spain were pissed off after hearing the very
non-metal LOAD.
Jeff DiBartolomeo
dku...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> > I like Megadeth, but rhythm guitar-wise, they don't get as
> > much grit into the sound. James downpicks almost everything, including a lot
> > of fast stuff, and that, in addition to the way his rig is set up, gives his
> > riffs more solidity and more bassiness. If you ever watch a live Megadeth
> > video closely (or get to the front at a show and stay there long enough),
> > you'll notice that he uses alternate picking on almost everything, even a lot
> > of slow stuff. It doesn't really matter on a lot of those fast riffs that are
> > supposed to sound fast and not heavy (mostly on Rust In Peace), but in
> > mid-tempo riffs, James's sound and style crushes Dave's.
> >
> > On all of their albums, except for maybe Countdown, they sound like they use
> > too much distortion and have too much high end, which also probably makes
> > their rhythm sound less intense.
> > I agree. However, I actually prefer the sound of alternate picking. It
> provides more subtle textural changes whereas downpicking often sounds
> repetative and boring. A combination of both downpicking and alternate
> picking within the same riff (or when repeating a riff) makes all the
> difference in the world.
I agree with your preference of alternate picking to all-downpicking.
I'm a guitarist and, when I'm playing I prefer alternate. I read an
interview with James and Kirk (I think in "Guitar Player," but I can't
find the issue) and James said that he doesn't downpick as much as
people think he does. In particular, he said that he alternate picks
the middle section of "One" (off "...And Justice For All") where he's
singing "Darkness. Imprisoning me...". I think it would be
next-to-impossible to downpick that for 2 minutes and get it clean
(although if anyone can it's James).
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Email: jdi...@li.net
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Eric Rosenberg
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > What the HELL is Megadeth supposed to mean? Just sit and think about
> > it for a minute....Well....i think I have proved my point. Megadeth
> > makes absolutely no sense, and is actually pretty stupid.
>
> Mega = one thousand
> Deth = death
>
> one thousand deaths
>
I'm not trying to be anal but mega- usually refers to one million.
They may have been Kilodeth in a past life...who knows? :) I remember
reading some half-assed biography of metallica (The Frayed Ends of Sanity
was the title, I believe) where it discusses how Mustaine saw some
propaganda
booklet or something on nuclear war and how 'megadeaths' would result.
Drop the 'a' between the 'e' and the 't' and you get it...
By the way, I don't know if they tab 'em that fast, but in
...The Punishment Due
There are definitely some 128th notes being hit during the incredibly fast
section of riffs. not like that observation had anything to do with this
thread.
Actually, I like megadeth AND metallica...I guess some
people derive as much pleasure out of hating one as they do liking the other,
but they both bring a lot to the table.
Eric
Nick McConnell
In article <55fc76$2...@doffen.uninett.no>, Harald Kildal <haraldki@postk
ontor.or.uninett.no> writes
>In article <55eph8$s...@herald.concentric.net>,
> Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>>I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
>>General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
>>better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
>>why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
>>as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
>
>fantastic.
>
>Great things about Rust in peace:
>
>*great songs
>*great rhythm guitar
>*great solo guitar
>
>best song: Holy war
>
>
>Great things about And justice for all:
>
>*great songs
>*great lyrics
>*great rhythm guitar
>*great vocals
>
>best song: And justice for all
>
>
>
>Vegard
Agreed. But my fave song is too hard to pick.
-- I MM MM EEEEE TTTTTT AA LL
'Iron Maidens gonna get you I MMM MMM EE TT A A LL
I MM MM MM EEEEE TT AAAAAA LL
No matter how far.' I MM MM MM EE TT A A LL
____________________________________I MM MM EEEEE TT A A LLLLL
UP THE IRONS!!!!!!! FOREVER
*****************************************
Nick McConnell
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk
I think that MOP blows Rust in Peace away in every respect...not to
say RIP is crap or anything.
Nick McConnell
In article <327F04...@ntr.net>, Morris <li...@ntr.net> writes
>Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
>but I don't like his singing
>
>I don't like dave's leads much...they are sort of goofy
>Like...lets do this pattern and move up a fret and do it again
>and move up a fret and do it again....blah blah
>
>Marty Rules...best thing going for Megadeth
>
>Overall Metallica is the better band, I think this is the
>consensus of opinion from what I have read.
This is my opinion, Daves voice is COOL! Jaymz' voice is COOL! But when
it came to listening to the Until it Sleeps single. I noticed Jaymz
croak in his voice had gone. He always had a small croak which sounded
SO cool. The disappointed me.
Robert D. Roth
Bob <E-m...@my.com> displayed his intelligence by writing:
> The reason for the bass the way it is on Justice is that it was
> recorded very poorley.
wanted the bass recorded that way... I like it better.
> I really can't see how any of you can even
> compare megadeth to metallica, because of the EXTREME tallent
> difference between them. Metallica was/is/will always be so much
> better you cannot compare, and until i hear something out of Megadeth
> that even comes close to being 1/4 as good as the Puppets album, i
> will continue to speak my mind on this subject (well, guess that I
> will never quit on this then...).
umm... ok, I agree that Megadeth hasn't put out an album close to the
caliber of MoP or RTL, but I'm not agreeing with you on that EXTREME
talent difference. ok, maybe metallica has some better songwriting
skills, but when you get in to playing, they're pretty even.
> What the HELL is Megadeth supposed to mean? Just sit and think about
> it for a minute....Well....i think I have proved my point. Megadeth
> makes absolutely no sense, and is actually pretty stupid.
Now, there's a way to judge a band...
rob
--
Robert Roth
Chemical Engineering/Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
rd-...@uiuc.edu
http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/rd-roth/
jhj
why is it that every month there has to be ANOTHER Megadeth vs.
Metallica page?
slin...@aol.com
Megadeth is o.k. but I wouldn't go anywhere near saying they were a tie,
metallica was metal. Everyone else was on there coatails. They were almost
failed to change with the times, there albums are the same (is that good
or
bad??).
I DON'T THINK THE FACT THAT MEGADETH HASN'T REALLY CHANGED WITH THE 90'S
WOULD REALLY BE A BAD THING. A LOT OF METALHEADS ARE PISSED BECAUSE THERE
IS SO LITTLE COMING OUT OF THE 90'S. I MEAN, SURE, METALLICA ADJUSTED
PRETTY GOOD TO THE 90'S. NOW IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO CALL THEM
"Alternnica"
LORDETH7
James's voice kicks ass on Load!
On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Bob wrote:
> >This is my opinion, Daves voice is COOL! Jaymz' voice is COOL! But when
> >it came to listening to the Until it Sleeps single. I noticed Jaymz
> >croak in his voice had gone. He always had a small croak which sounded
> >SO cool. The disappointed me.
>
> Jaymz still has his cool voice. Check out 'Man or Ash off of COC's
> newest (Wiseblood) where he does the vocals on the chorus. It kicks
> ass! Also, if you cand find a new live bootleg, or go to a concert,
> you will see he hasn't loat it.
>
>
>
Bob
J.D. Stoner
> -- I MM MM EEEEE TTTTTT AA LL
> 'Iron Maidens gonna get you I MMM MMM EE TT A A LL
> I MM MM MM EEEEE TT AAAAAA LL
> No matter how far.' I MM MM MM EE TT A A LL
> ____________________________________I MM MM EEEEE TT A A LLLLL
>
> UP THE IRONS!!!!!!! FOREVER
>
> *****************************************
>
> Nick McConnell
What is your sig supposed to be. I don't have anything against what you say (although I often disagree) but you signature is really annoying to look at. It should have some definitive shape or something.
sata...@aol.com
Metallica's first four albuma are better than anyhting Megadeth could ever
do(Kill Em' All, Ride the Lightning, MAster of Puppets, and Justice for
All...). After justice Metallica has not ever come close to Megadeth
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk
>In article <327F04...@ntr.net>, Morris <li...@ntr.net> writes
>>Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
>>but I don't like his singing
>>
>>I don't like dave's leads much...they are sort of goofy
>>Like...lets do this pattern and move up a fret and do it again
>>and move up a fret and do it again....blah blah
>>
>>Marty Rules...best thing going for Megadeth
>>
>>Overall Metallica is the better band, I think this is the
>>consensus of opinion from what I have read.
>
>This is my opinion, Daves voice is COOL! Jaymz' voice is COOL! But when
>it came to listening to the Until it Sleeps single. I noticed Jaymz
>croak in his voice had gone. He always had a small croak which sounded
>SO cool. The disappointed me.
I didn't hear any croak in Nothing Else Matters. Hearing Mustaine's
voice on A Tout le Monde makes me cringe for some reason.
Alexandre Forest
Nick McConnell wrote:
>
> In article <327F04...@ntr.net>, Morris <li...@ntr.net> writes
> >Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
> >but I don't like his singing
> >
> >I don't like dave's leads much...they are sort of goofy
> >Like...lets do this pattern and move up a fret and do it again
> >and move up a fret and do it again....blah blah
> >
> >Marty Rules...best thing going for Megadeth
> >
> >Overall Metallica is the better band, I think this is the
> >consensus of opinion from what I have read.
>
> This is my opinion, Daves voice is COOL! Jaymz' voice is COOL! But when
> it came to listening to the Until it Sleeps single. I noticed Jaymz
> croak in his voice had gone. He always had a small croak which sounded
> SO cool. The disappointed me.
> 'Iron Maidens gonna get you I MMM MMM EE TT A A LL
> I MM MM MM EEEEE TT AAAAAA LL
> No matter how far.' I MM MM MM EE TT A A LL
> ____________________________________I MM MM EEEEE TT A A LLLLL
>
> UP THE IRONS!!!!!!! FOREVER
>
> *****************************************
>
> Nick McConnell
slin...@aol.com
you can't even say that you can consider Kill 'Em All better than anything
MegaDeth's ever done because Dave did over half the album!!!
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk
On 2 Nov 1996 20:30:17 GMT, pam...@leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu (Patrick C
Mills) wrote:
>George Winistorfer (gs...@interaccess.com) wrote:
>: Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like both bands. They have different
>: styles of music, but they play to the same audience. Megadeth has more of
>: a finger on the pulse of society style, while Metallica is more gothic and
>: surreal. Rust in Peace is probably one of my favorite albums of all time,
>: while ...And Justice runs a close second. Kirk Hammett is a great lead
>: guitar player, while Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
Do you think Mustaine is the better rhythm player than Hetfield? Or
of Equal talent? Hetfield can't really play leads in the traditional
sense, but he can write them when he wants to.
As a matter of fact, he plays rhythm guitar and sings by default. Cos
when they started they couldn't find a singer so Hetfield did it.
They looked around for a rhythm player so that Hetfield can
concentrate on his singing more but couldn't find anyone good enough,
so i guess that's why he's still doing it.
Adrian
slin...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961112034...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> you can't even say that you can consider Kill 'Em All better than
anything
> MegaDeth's ever done because Dave did over half the album!!!
>
err, bullshit.
"Did over half the album"? Actually no. more like "helped write 4 of the
songs on the album". How the fuck can you say he "did" half the fucking
album????? Being the lead guitarist, he had very little input. His input
consisted mainly of comming up with solos in the correct places, which
Hetfield and Ulrich assigned him. I think he wrote most of Jump in the
Fire, but all other songs he had nearly no input at all. "Did over half the
album". HA! good one. You're full of shit man. And how can someone "do over
half the album" if he gets kicked out _before_ it's recorded???? That would
make a cool party trick... "hey guys, watch this, I'm gonna do over half
the album, without even being there!!!" hehehe.... gotta try that one...
So anyway, grow a brain, get your facts straight, and actually _think_
before you send another post.
--
Adrian
agi...@tpgi.com.au
http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/agibas/schoolsux.htm
"did over half the album" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sure.
Peter
I just hope that's the way the situation will remain for decades to
come. I don't think I want to hear anybody else sing for Metallica, I
don't wanna hear anybody else play guitar, etc.. etc.. I think it's
great that Hetfield has been singing and playing this unmatched rhythm
guitar ever since man can remember. Damn it must 've been hard as
hell when he first began to do that. I'm sure it still is, in terms
of arranging the great music that they write. METALLICA FOREVER!!
Pete
Bob
>Do you think Mustaine is the better rhythm player than Hetfield? Or
>of Equal talent? Hetfield can't really play leads in the traditional
>sense, but he can write them when he wants to.
>As a matter of fact, he plays rhythm guitar and sings by default. Cos
>when they started they couldn't find a singer so Hetfield did it.
>They looked around for a rhythm player so that Hetfield can
>concentrate on his singing more but couldn't find anyone good enough,
>so i guess that's why he's still doing it.
Hetfield is a much better rythm guitar player, probably the best of
all time. Even people (professional metal guitar players) that don't
really like Metallica look up to him (i.e. Dimebag Darrel).
Zak
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> On 2 Nov 1996 20:30:17 GMT, pam...@leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu (Patrick C
> Mills) wrote:
>
> >George Winistorfer (gs...@interaccess.com) wrote:
> >: Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like both bands. They have different
> >: styles of music, but they play to the same audience. Megadeth has more of
> >: a finger on the pulse of society style, while Metallica is more gothic and
> >: surreal. Rust in Peace is probably one of my favorite albums of all time,
> >: while ...And Justice runs a close second. Kirk Hammett is a great lead
> >: guitar player, while Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
>
> of Equal talent? Hetfield can't really play leads in the traditional
> sense, but he can write them when he wants to.
>
> As a matter of fact, he plays rhythm guitar and sings by default. Cos
> when they started they couldn't find a singer so Hetfield did it.
> They looked around for a rhythm player so that Hetfield can
> concentrate on his singing more but couldn't find anyone good enough,
> so i guess that's why he's still doing it.
I thought that in the beginning Hetfield _wanted_ to sing. Then, like
you said, when they couldn't find anyone to play rhythm he picked that
up also.
Not to harp, just wondering for clarity...
-Zak
Lord Fnord
Does that mean we can't discuss load?
"Welcome to Hell Blofeld!"
GroBudz wrote:
>
> This is the Metallica newsgroup, let's keep it crap free
Rausse the Wondersmurf
It's also a metal and Megadeth newsgroup dickhole.
Look at the fucking newsgroup addresses.
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Binghamton University
Bronx Resident
I-LV-U-CR
GroBudz
>
> >In article <327F04...@ntr.net>, Morris <li...@ntr.net> writes
> >>Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
> >>but I don't like his singing
> >>
> >>I don't like dave's leads much...they are sort of goofy
> >>Like...lets do this pattern and move up a fret and do it again
> >>and move up a fret and do it again....blah blah
> >>
> >>Marty Rules...best thing going for Megadeth
> >>
> >>Overall Metallica is the better band, I think this is the
> >>consensus of opinion from what I have read.
> >
> >This is my opinion, Daves voice is COOL! Jaymz' voice is COOL! But when
> >it came to listening to the Until it Sleeps single. I noticed Jaymz
> >croak in his voice had gone. He always had a small croak which sounded
> >SO cool. The disappointed me.
>
> voice on A Tout le Monde makes me cringe for some reason.
This is the Metallica newsgroup, let's keep it crap free
Evil Incarnate
026...@axe.acadiau.ca (Wally) wrote:
>Nort...@cris.com (Horace Schnagg) wrote:
>>I am interested in hearing people's opinions on this subject.
>>General comments are welcome, but I'd also like to know which is the
>>better album, Rust in Peace or ...And Justice for All, and the reasons
>>why you think so. Please refrain from such intellectual comments such
>>as 'Metallica/MegaDeth blows' etc...
>Metallica hands down. Metallica is metal. Megadeth followed Metallica.
>And I'd pick Ride the Lighting, or maybe the Black album, or maybe And
>Justice For All. Metallica just rule in the metal department. Theres
>them, and then theres everyone else.
megadeth did not follow metallica anywhere...and the reason that
countdown and youthanasia were so much like metallica's albums is b/c
dave was fucked up on drugs for most of the time period before, and he
was trying to get off. so its natural to assume that he would sound
different.
Bob
> It's also a metal and Megadeth newsgroup dickhole.
>Look at the fucking newsgroup addresses.
No, you look here dickhole (or whatever). This is being crossposted to
the metallica, megadeth, and alt.guitar.tab groups. Myabe you should
check before you flame next time, buddy.
Colin Reid
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Bob wrote:
> Hetfield is a much better rythm guitar player, probably the best of
> all time. Even people (professional metal guitar players) that don't
> really like Metallica look up to him (i.e. Dimebag Darrel).
That's a difficult thing to say. First of all, what makes a good rhythm
player? Is it the ability to play complex rhythms smoothly? Hetfield
does that. Is it the ability to make the crunchiest noises? Mustaine
does that. Is the ability to come up with really cool riffs? They both
do that. Is it the ability to play something interesting behind a lead
guitar solo? Again, they both do that. It just comes down to what you
prefer. My taste slightly tips in the Mustaine direction, because I like
crunching noises (and Scott Ian is my favorite for the same reason), but
Hetfield is very good at what he does too. I love 'em both, but prefer
Mustaine, because he's more along the lines of a Spike Cassidy or Scott
Ian kind of player, while Hetfield is more like an Iommi (who ALSO kicks
ass as a rhythm AND lead player) or something. When it comes to the
really heavy stuff, I like the crunch. The more melodic stuff, I like
less crunch. Context is important too. Who's better? Don't know.
They're both good. Who do _I_ like more? Mustaine, because his approach
is more to _my_ tastes.
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Nick McConnell
In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.961105180838.6834A-100000@bingsun1>, Rausse
the Wondersmurf <bd2...@binghamton.edu> writes
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> I wouldn't say that those albums suck. Production
>wise, So Far, So Good, So What is crap, but musically it's great (except
>for 502). Rust in Peace, to me, is better than any Metallica album, music
>wise, except for Justice. Production wise, it's a tough call.
>
Can somebody tell me what production REALLY is, is it when the producer
listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
Nick McConnell
In article <01bbcf65$76a82c40$798d68cf@daveston>, "J.D. Stoner"
<kt...@ocsnet.net> writes
>> -- I MM MM EEEEE TTTTTT AA LL
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>(although I often disagree) but you signature is really annoying to look
>at. It should have some definitive shape or something.
I'm not fancy with signutares or anything, but anyway, who cares? It's
just a signature! Don't let it annoy you so much, don't let life annoy
you so much. Who cares what other people do, think, say, 'cause one day
your time will be up and then you realise life is just a dream.
Nick McConnell
In article <32892B...@aol.com>, GroBudz <nrc...@aol.com> writes
Megadeth is not crap! Does it hurt you or something when somebody
mentions something about another band?
MJL
vbs...@mindspring.com (Peter) wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 04:32:25 GMT, jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>On 2 Nov 1996 20:30:17 GMT, pam...@leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu (Patrick C
>>Mills) wrote:
>>
>>>George Winistorfer (gs...@interaccess.com) wrote:
>>>: Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like both bands. They have different
>>>: styles of music, but they play to the same audience. Megadeth has more of
>>>: a finger on the pulse of society style, while Metallica is more gothic and
>>>: surreal. Rust in Peace is probably one of my favorite albums of all time,
>>>: while ...And Justice runs a close second. Kirk Hammett is a great lead
>>>: guitar player, while Dave Mustaine is one of the greatest rhythm men ever.
>>
>>Do you think Mustaine is the better rhythm player than Hetfield? Or
>>of Equal talent? Hetfield can't really play leads in the traditional
>>sense, but he can write them when he wants to.
>>
>>As a matter of fact, he plays rhythm guitar and sings by default. Cos
>>when they started they couldn't find a singer so Hetfield did it.
>>They looked around for a rhythm player so that Hetfield can
>>concentrate on his singing more but couldn't find anyone good enough,
>>so i guess that's why he's still doing it.
>I just hope that's the way the situation will remain for decades to
>come. I don't think I want to hear anybody else sing for Metallica, I
>don't wanna hear anybody else play guitar, etc.. etc.. I think it's
>great that Hetfield has been singing and playing this unmatched rhythm
>guitar ever since man can remember. Damn it must 've been hard as
>hell when he first began to do that. I'm sure it still is, in terms
>of arranging the great music that they write. METALLICA FOREVER!!
>Pete
The story I heard was, when they were starting out, they looked for
another singer, not rhythm player. James wanted to concentrate more on
guitar. Their choice singer was the guy from Armored Saint who is now
with Anthrax. For the life of me I can't think of his name. Anyways,
the guy decided to remain with Armored Saint (oops) so James just
continued to sing to fill the void. Imagine if he joined Metallica.
I'm having a hard time deciding if they would have been as successful.
Hmm. That guy in Anthrax is a real good singer (in my opinion). I
think they probably would've been as successful but slightly
different stylistically. The writers would still be there so the
music would have been more or less the same. What do you think?
Shay Adar
sata...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961111174...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Huh? Umm.. I mean: HUH?
Metallica are nice and all, but they never came CLOSE to doing something so
musically brilliant like megadeth's RUST IN PEACE... not even in Master Of
Puppets.
Metallica are just not creative enough to come up with a rust in peace of
their own.
Im not even talking about how they suck now with 'load' and everything..
but then again,'Youthanasia' sucked too.
anyway, both bands suck at the moment (lets see what megadeth do in their
up and comingh album) .. but Potentially, Megadeth have already done
something REALLY creative and complex like RUST, while Metallica did some
cool things, but not as creative and cool as RUST.
P.Foreman
On 9 Nov 1996, Robert D. Roth wrote:
> Bob <E-m...@my.com> displayed his intelligence by writing:
> > The reason for the bass the way it is on Justice is that it was
> > recorded very poorley.
> Well, I don't know jack shit about bass, but maybe, they actually
> wanted the bass recorded that way... I like it better.
>
> > I really can't see how any of you can even
> > compare megadeth to metallica, because of the EXTREME tallent
> > difference between them. Metallica was/is/will always be so much
> > better you cannot compare, and until i hear something out of Megadeth
> > that even comes close to being 1/4 as good as the Puppets album, i
> > will continue to speak my mind on this subject (well, guess that I
> > will never quit on this then...).
> umm... ok, I agree that Megadeth hasn't put out an album close to the
> caliber of MoP or RTL, but I'm not agreeing with you on that EXTREME
> talent difference. ok, maybe metallica has some better songwriting
> skills, but when you get in to playing, they're pretty even.
try rest in piece , friedman kicks serious ass on solos, the drumming is
intense, rythmn playing incredible, bass is fair(never as good as cliff
but who is, not that dumbass who plays 4 metallica now!!!)
Its just fucking intense man, listen to it!!!!
the name is stooooooopid though! Mustaine songwriting is twisted aswell
check out . take no prisoners!!
cool later guitar pipples!
paf
> >
> > What the HELL is Megadeth supposed to mean? Just sit and think about
> > it for a minute....Well....i think I have proved my point. Megadeth
> > makes absolutely no sense, and is actually pretty stupid.
> Now, there's a way to judge a band...
>
> rob
> --
> Robert Roth
> Chemical Engineering/Computer Science
> University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
> rd-...@uiuc.edu
> http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/rd-roth/
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>
>
Sparky
In article <32890F...@cleo.bc.edu>, mah...@cleo.bc.edu says...
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>
>> As a matter of fact, he plays rhythm guitar and sings by default.
Cos
>> when they started they couldn't find a singer so Hetfield did it.
>> They looked around for a rhythm player so that Hetfield can
>> concentrate on his singing more but couldn't find anyone good enough,
>> so i guess that's why he's still doing it.
>
>
>you said, when they couldn't find anyone to play rhythm he picked that
>up also.
>
>Not to harp, just wondering for clarity...
>
>-Zak
and didn't want to sing. For awhile they were on a search for a
vocalist, people they looked at included John Bush (Armored Saint,
Anthrax) but he refused so James took over and has done one hella job if
I do say so myself. Hope that clears it up.
Later,
Sparky
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>For awhile they were on a search for a
> vocalist, people they looked at included John Bush (Armored Saint,
> Anthrax) but he refused
They played a few gigs with Bush, but eventually, Jaymz retook the singing duties.
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk
On datefrom
>In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.961105180838.6834A-100000@bingsun1>, Rausse
>the Wondersmurf <bd2...@binghamton.edu> writes
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>> I wouldn't say that those albums suck. Production
>>wise, So Far, So Good, So What is crap, but musically it's great (except
>>for 502). Rust in Peace, to me, is better than any Metallica album, music
>>wise, except for Justice. Production wise, it's a tough call.
>>
>
>Can somebody tell me what production REALLY is, is it when the producer
>listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
>song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
Production to me is the quality of the overall sound of the album.
ie. a thin, tinny sound is crap, a full, sound is erm, better. Though
that's not all, you can have all the thickness of sound on an album,
but it can still sound crap. All good balance is needed in order for
all the instruments to be heard clearly.
Nick McConnell
>> 'Iron Maidens gonna get you I MMM MMM EE TT A A LL
>> I MM MM MM EEEEE TT AAAAAA LL
>> No matter how far.' I MM MM MM EE TT A A LL
>> ____________________________________I MM MM EEEEE TT A A LLLLL
>>
>> UP THE IRONS!!!!!!! FOREVER
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>> Nick McConnell
>
>(although I often disagree) but you signature is really annoying to look
>at. It should have some definitive shape or something.
I've now changed it.
-- I
'Iron Maidens gonna get you I
I
No matter how far.' I
____________________________________I UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!
Nick McConnell
Ed Jankovsky
Colin Reid <re...@GarbageCity.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
: Yeah. The producer's job is to make sure all of the instruments aren't
: colliding in the sound spectrum (an example of where this is allowed to
: happen is "...And Justice for All". The guitars occupy the same part of
: the spectrum as the bass, and as a result, you can almost never hear the
: bass on that album), while still blending together nicely. Sometimes you
: can hear all the instruments nicely, but they don't sound good together.
: Also, the producer is responsible for effects like reverb, compression,
: gates, and whatnot. My buddy John is a producer, he could explain it all
: much better than I could. :)
I would also add to that, a producer can/should be there to try to get the
best possible performance from the band or capture what they are about.
Colin Reid
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >Can somebody tell me what production REALLY is, is it when the producer
> >listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
> >song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
>
> Production to me is the quality of the overall sound of the album.
> ie. a thin, tinny sound is crap, a full, sound is erm, better. Though
> that's not all, you can have all the thickness of sound on an album,
> but it can still sound crap. All good balance is needed in order for
> all the instruments to be heard clearly.
Yeah. The producer's job is to make sure all of the instruments aren't
colliding in the sound spectrum (an example of where this is allowed to
happen is "...And Justice for All". The guitars occupy the same part of
the spectrum as the bass, and as a result, you can almost never hear the
bass on that album), while still blending together nicely. Sometimes you
can hear all the instruments nicely, but they don't sound good together.
Also, the producer is responsible for effects like reverb, compression,
gates, and whatnot. My buddy John is a producer, he could explain it all
much better than I could. :)
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Bob
>That's a difficult thing to say. First of all, what makes a good rhythm
>player? Is it the ability to play complex rhythms smoothly? Hetfield
>does that. Is it the ability to make the crunchiest noises? Mustaine
>does that. Is the ability to come up with really cool riffs? They both
>do that. Is it the ability to play something interesting behind a lead
>guitar solo? Again, they both do that. It just comes down to what you
>prefer. My taste slightly tips in the Mustaine direction, because I like
>crunching noises (and Scott Ian is my favorite for the same reason), but
>Hetfield is very good at what he does too. I love 'em both, but prefer
>Mustaine, because he's more along the lines of a Spike Cassidy or Scott
>Ian kind of player, while Hetfield is more like an Iommi (who ALSO kicks
>ass as a rhythm AND lead player) or something. When it comes to the
>really heavy stuff, I like the crunch. The more melodic stuff, I like
>less crunch. Context is important too. Who's better? Don't know.
>They're both good. Who do _I_ like more? Mustaine, because his approach
>is more to _my_ tastes.
James does have an unbelievable ammount of crunch in his playing.
Listen to the demos for the Master of Puppets album. These songs have
about the must crunch i've ever heard, but are still extremely
melodic.
Marius
In article <3770UXAR...@sscope.demon.co.uk>, ni...@sscope.demon.co.uk says...
>
>In article <32892B...@aol.com>, GroBudz <nrc...@aol.com> writes
>>jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 23:02:22 +0000, Nick McConnell
>>> <ni...@sscope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <327F04...@ntr.net>, Morris <li...@ntr.net> writes
>>> >>Mustaine is annoying! Good back up guitar player and songwriter
>>> >>but I don't like his singing
Bob
>I would also add to that, a producer can/should be there to try to get the
>best possible performance from the band or capture what they are about.
I always laughed when I heard interviews and people talking about bob
rock trying to produce the black album more like their live concerts.
They did let james get away with his 'yeah's. I always wondered, since
it was supposed to be more like the live shows, whetever happened to
the usual 'FUCK YEAH!' or'MOTHERFUCKER!!!' that james quite often
throws in to songs.
nci...@aol.com
let's just make this a little easier and list all the albums in order of
goodness:
1.MoP- probably the best album of all time, and a trendsetter in every
sense. this album proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that james is a fine
composer. "orion" showed the immense maturity of the band at a young age.
"damage inc." showed that they were harder than slayer could ever hope to
be. "MoP" and "disposable heroes" showed that they could write better
long songs than yes or king crimson or any of those progressive bands.
"the thing..." showed an iron-maidenesque ability to write cool songs
about literary ideas. "sanitarium" showed their utter mastery of the heavy
metal ballad. "leper messiah" showed their ability to write a straight
ahead rock n'roll song with a heavy metal edge to it. and, oh yes, the
lyrics (easily the least relevant thing about metallica) are top notch.
2.Countdown- whoever slagged the production value of countdown really
caused me to be perplexed. countdown has the single best production of
any album i have ever heard. the only album that even comes close is
pantera's far beyond driven. the bass drum sound IS what a bass drum
should sound like, as goes for the rest of the drums. there is literally
not one bad second on the album. the songs are short and too the point
and really in the pocket. this album showed a megadeth matured beyond
almost every other artist in any rock genre. i still can't believe how
incredibly perfect this record is. the best song is 'countdown', but
'captive honor' comes in a close second. the use of external sound
effects is perfect. the tones are perfect. marty and dave playing off of
each other are PERFECT. the lyrics are perfect. nick thought out every
single drum fill. every aspect of this album was planned and prepared to
perfection.
3.AJFA- extraordinary. it has "one", the best metal song of all time.
this album perfected this part of their career. "harvester" is incredible
as the ultimate "slow groove". i don't know why lars refuses to play the
bass drum correctly in concert, but it certainly makes the song more
boring live. long live the epic!
4.RiP- what can i say? only megadeth could have created something this
volatile. this album really shows the difference between mustaine's
riffing and everyone else's. the epic "holy wars" is an institution now.
the "hangar 18" riff wins for most original riff of all time. "take no
prisoners" smashes your head into the ground, particularly the breakaway
riff at the beginning that features the most incredible palm-muting of all
time. "lucretia" is the ultimate groove-metal tune. marty fits in nicely
on his first project here, as does nick.
5.Metallica- the black album is a cavernous hour long rush of pure rock.
"my friend of misery" is their finest recent work, particularly the
harmonized solo in the middle. everything on here is good, and the
production is first-rate. "the god that failed" simply rips your head off.
not one bad second of music on here. it's not a sellout; rather, it's
perfection of the new "one-riff per song" format. how did they do it?
6.Youthanasia-the most at-first inaccesible recent work of either group.
however, once it grows on you, it's crushing. they went for rawer "live"
production, which is alright, but no countdown. the best song here is
"youthanasia" with "i thought i knew" a close second. a very solid
performance. "train.." could only have been written by megadeth. marty is
on fire once again.
7.RTL- i used to like this one more, but the production kind of nags at me
now. it's still crushing and better than almost every other rock record
ever recorded. another trendsetter. the bright spot here is "creeping
death"
8.Kill 'em All- you have to like metallica to like this one. and i do, so
i love it! "the four horsemen" is incredible, as is "phantom lord".
9.Load- the most needlessly maligned album of all time. most bands would
kill to have one song as good as the worst song on this album! the best
song is a tie between "ronnie" and "bleeding me". "until it sleeps" is as
classic of a metallica sound as your're going to get, however, with a new
twist. solid from start to finish. i can't believe that you "fans" out
there don't like this one. it's a gem.
10.Peace Sells...-crushing, crushing, crushing. a trendsetter. best song
"good morning/black friday". these are those kinds of songs that make you
say "how the hell did he think that would be good for a song?"!
11.SfSGSW-several bright spots, but the production is absolutely abyssmal.
best song: "hook and mouth". "liar" is a sleeper classic, though.
12.Killing is...- not really worthy of mention besides 'the mechanix',
which can be heard in true form on "kill 'em all". i know that will
probably rile some people up, but come on.
so there's my two cents. i would like to say, that although a lot of
other good metal bands are out there, it all comes back to metallica,
megadeth, and iron maiden. (pantera is starting to stake a claim,
though). feel fortunate that james and dave split. they have provided us
with hours of musical brilliance. also, forget about the damn lyrics. go
read poetry if that's what you care about. anyone can write lyrics. it
takes a genius to write a beautiful melody and to arrange it well. it's a
real mistake to rate these albums heavily towards their lyrical content.
and oh yes. metallica is better.
B.D. Kerr
In article <07E0kMAt...@sscope.demon.co.uk>, Nick McConnell
<snip>
>
> Can somebody tell me what production REALLY is, is it when the producer
> listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
> song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
>
> 'Iron Maidens gonna get you I MMM MMM EE TT A A LL
> I MM MM MM EEEEE TT AAAAAA LL
> No matter how far.' I MM MM MM EE TT A A LL
> ____________________________________I MM MM EEEEE TT A A LLLLL
>
> UP THE IRONS!!!!!!! FOREVER
>
> *****************************************
>
> Nick McConnell
>
Production is basically what makes the song. When you record a song all the
music/vocals is laid down onto tape or whatever and it all sounds like shit!!
The production process involve the mixing and fucking about with the sound.
ie.you can echo-ize, add reverb, change the equalization of sound, noise-gate
the instruments to prevent sound `bleed-through`, etc.
If you consider the difference in drum-tone, guitar sound and bass levels
between Black and Justice - thats production. Black album, speaking from a
purely sound/mix quality point of view is *the best* album I've ever heard.
A poor mix will make a great song sound good, a superb mix will make a great
song sound out of this world. I just wonder what One would sound like with the
mix/sound quality of Black.
If you wanna know anymore, mail me and I send you some more detailed info.
Brad.
mike
In article <56hdpo$e...@yakko.cs.rose-hulman.edu>,
jason.a...@rose-hulman.edu wrote:
> Anthrax) but he refused so James took over and has done one hella job if
> I do say so myself. Hope that clears it up.
Ah, 'scuse me, but Hetfield can't sing.
In the early demos or live recording of "Metal"lica, he sounds like a
female. Any fuck can sound good in a studio, like the singer in Korn,
another no-talent band. The Korn album is good, but I saw them in Aug 95
and they are not a good live act, which is what it's all about anyway. I
saw Megadeth at that date (the Reckoning Day tour, with Fear Factory and
Flotsam & Jetsam), which, like the tornado of souls, BLEW ME AWAY. The
Deth is what metal's about.
So my point is, Hetfield has not done a helluva job. Listen to the vocals
on "Hero of the Day". I hate it when no-talents try to fake it.
And don't cross-post. Like Metallica, it sucks.
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mike
Y'know what would be kinda cool? Maybe a Megadeth concept album. That's
really a challenge to write, but I think Mustaine is a versatile enough
poet to come up with something cool. Think the politics of "Clear and
Present Danger" the violence of "Full Metal Jacket" with a tiny side order
of "Wall Street" (just the going to jail afterward bit) and .. it could
happen..
Architecture of Agression and Take No Prisoners and Holy Wars..Punishment
Due and Tornado of Souls and Train of Consequences and Captive Honour and
Youthanasia... all songs that I like to quote on the desks at school. I
like writing these serious, deep quotations on the desks so that all the
shitheads can scratch their heads and wonder what it means. Especially fun
is the irony in seeing "Who would believe they'd spend more shippin' drugs
and guns than to educate our sons?" on the desktop at school. hee hee
So anyway, the above Deth songs are my favorites. What can Metallica offer
to me? Ahm.. For Whom the Bell Tolls, One, Orion, Sanitarium and
Disposable Heroes.
I'm sorry, all you "Metal"lica fux, but Megadeth plays the Santa Monica
Civic Auditorium when they come to LA (probably doesn't seat more than 7K
or so) while Metallica sells out the Forum (20K or so). The key words
there being SELL OUT!!
People who apologize for/justify the Black Album have their heads buried
so far up their asses it ain't fuckin funny. And I dunno why you guys
aren't out for Hetfield's blood over Load. Are you all like the original
cloister of Metallica fans, and you're just getting old and like more
mellow stuff now?
Megadeth has talent, skill, ability, poetry, artistry and INTEGRITY. The
thinking man's metal band.
Metallica USED TO have ability and poetry. Now they have lots of fucking
money. The metal band for the rest of 'em.. people with no discrimination
or taste. (I love this feeling of elitism I get from Megadeth.. :)
It's like, the Megadeth show I went to was GA, in a building not too much
bigger than my high school auditorium. Personal, y'know? You can see the
whites of their eyes.. I was <>this close to Davey. How the fuck can you
see who is who from a stadium seat at a Metallica show? They want your
fuckin money, like the Sex Pistols do now. Like Pink Fraud does now.
Have a nice day...
Oh, and by the way, the reason they have production, for the guy who
wanted to know, is that when they record a song, they record each
instrument on a separate tape. Then they gotta mix them down to one tape
and correct for discrepancies like volume or blending and stuff, and
playing with it, adding samples or sfx or bending or gating and fun
things. Example of an overproduced album, that I can think of off the top
of my head, would be U2's "Achtung Baby" and a lesser-produced one would
be something like.. I dunno, thing that comes to mind would be Garage Days
Re-revisited, but I'm sure there's something more out there. Can't think
right now, it's late.
So, long live the deth.
mike
Oh, by the way, Armored Saint and Anthrax beat the hell out of Metallica.
Metallica wouldn't deserve the Bushmeister.
Harald Kildal
I don't agree. The production is important, but the song it self is much more
important.
"The black almbum" may be better produced than "AJFA", but the songs in "AJFA"
are much better, so "AJFA" is a much better record than "The black album".
Vegard
dku...@ix.netcom.com
mike wrote:
>
> Megadeth has talent, skill, ability, poetry, artistry and INTEGRITY. The
> thinking man's metal band.
>
You've hit the nail square on the head. MEGADETH is indeed "the thinking
man's metal band". As for a a concept album, I think Megadeth should
avoid war and concentrate on issues that affect us everyday, like taxes,
education, law enforcement, the legal system (they'd kick Metallica's
ass), and America's political campaigning (total corruption).
I'd have to disagree with Mustaine on the whole "rock the vote" thing.
My vote and your vote doesn't mean shit. Wouldn't you rather vote for
the issues themselves and not a person who on one particular day says
he/she agress with your stand? What a crock of shit.
DECAY
metallifuk
eesc...@primenet.com (mike) wrote:
>People who apologize for/justify the Black Album have their heads buried
>so far up their asses it ain't fuckin funny. And I dunno why you guys
>aren't out for Hetfield's blood over Load. Are you all like the original
>cloister of Metallica fans, and you're just getting old and like more
>mellow stuff now?
No, I still prefer faster, heavier shit, but to get on their cases for
writing the music they want to is very ignorant, they DO have a right
to think for themselves, as do their fans. Nothing metallica has ever
done requires justification, they are artists and are entitled to do
whatever they want.
>Megadeth has talent, skill, ability, poetry, artistry and INTEGRITY. The
>thinking man's metal band.
>
>Metallica USED TO have ability and poetry. Now they have lots of fucking
>money. The metal band for the rest of 'em.. people with no discrimination
>or taste. (I love this feeling of elitism I get from Megadeth.. :)
Metallica still has their integrity; they're not afraid to try something
different, whereas I think bands like megadeth, slayer, and overkill
are afraid to try something different, or maybe they just don't want to,
which is fine.
>It's like, the Megadeth show I went to was GA, in a building not too much
>bigger than my high school auditorium. Personal, y'know? You can see the
>whites of their eyes.. I was <>this close to Davey. How the fuck can you
>see who is who from a stadium seat at a Metallica show? They want your
>fuckin money, like the Sex Pistols do now. Like Pink Fraud does now.
Every metallica show I've ever been to, I've either been in the front row
or backstage, so that's not a problem for me.
>Have a nice day...
The lyrics to "wasting my hate" come to mind here, for some reason.
Rogerio Brito
"Shay Adar" <sha...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>
>Huh? Umm.. I mean: HUH?
>Metallica are nice and all, but they never came CLOSE to doing something so
>musically brilliant like megadeth's RUST IN PEACE... not even in Master Of
>Puppets.
That are your (and I mean your) opinions. Isn't it funny
how people think their opinion the truth?
>Metallica are just not creative enough to come up with a rust in peace of
>their own.
Again, that's your opinion. And things that depend on
opinions of persons can be interpreted in many ways. *I*
think that Master of Puppets is far better than Rust in
Peace. Does it means that Master of Puppets is
*necessarily* better?
Enough for the moment, Roger...
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Master, Master, you promised only lies!
Laughter, laughter, all I hear or see is laughter.
Laughter, laughter, laughing at my cries."
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Casey (The Reeds)
mike wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, all you "Metal"lica fux, but Megadeth plays the Santa Monica
> Civic Auditorium when they come to LA (probably doesn't seat more than 7K
> or so) while Metallica sells out the Forum (20K or so). The key words
> there being SELL OUT!!
The reason they play at such large places is because they have so many
fans. They wouldn't want anyone to be upset because they couldn't go to
a Metallica concert. Metallica know that they could have as many seats
as they wanted to and still sell all of them.
> People who apologize for/justify the Black Album have their heads buried
> so far up their asses it ain't fuckin funny. And I dunno why you guys
> aren't out for Hetfield's blood over Load.
Maybe because we like the album...
> Metallica USED TO have ability and poetry. Now they have lots of fucking
> money.
They've had lots of money for a very long time, it's not like the just
all of a sudden became rich with the release of Load...
B.D. Kerr
All that I said was that TBA in my opinion is the best album for
sound/production quality *NOT* song quality.
Brad.
Jeff DiBartolomeo
> In article <E184z...@csc.liv.ac.uk>, u5...@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.D. Kerr) wrote:
> >In article <07E0kMAt...@sscope.demon.co.uk>, Nick McConnell
> ><snip>
> >>
> >> listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
> >> song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick McConnell
> >>
> >
> >Production is basically what makes the song. When you record a song all the
> >music/vocals is laid down onto tape or whatever and it all sounds like shit!!
> >The production process involve the mixing and fucking about with the sound.
> >ie.you can echo-ize, add reverb, change the equalization of sound, noise-gate
> >the instruments to prevent sound `bleed-through`, etc.
> >
> >If you consider the difference in drum-tone, guitar sound and bass levels
> >between Black and Justice - thats production. Black album, speaking from a
> >purely sound/mix quality point of view is *the best* album I've ever heard.
> >
> >A poor mix will make a great song sound good, a superb mix will make a great
> >song sound out of this world. I just wonder what One would sound like with
> the
> >mix/sound quality of Black.
> >
> >If you wanna know anymore, mail me and I send you some more detailed info.
> >
> >Brad.
Actually, Brad. Production is a lot more involved than you mention.
The producer is responsible for the following things:
1) The sound (as you mentioned).
2) More importantly, the producer's main job is to stimulate the band.
Often, a producer tries to get the artist to change the song so that it
works better. For example, the producer may say, "If the drummer was
playing on the back beat here, the solo whould stand out much better."
Also, the producer is the guys who says, "That solo was weak. Come on,
you can do better than that."
3) The producer is also responsible for getting the musicians to work
better together. This may not be as important in Metallica's case,
because they're a band, but in cases where studio musicians are brought
in, they often need to be guided into working well together.
4) The producer is also the guy (in most cases) that makes sure things
come in under budget. Often, a band will stay in the studio for 10
months if they could (at $1000+ a day). So the producer is the guy that
says, "Okay, we've been fucking with this song long enough. Stop
re-writing and let's record it."
For a good example of a producer in action, pick up the new Joe Satriani
video. I think it's called "The Making of 'Joe Satriani'." It features
Joe in the studio with Glyn Johns (producer) and 5 studio musicians.
-Jeff
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Randy M
jo...@johnlee.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> On datefrom
> >In article <Pine.SOL.L3.93.961105180838.6834A-100000@bingsun1>, Rausse
> >the Wondersmurf <bd2...@binghamton.edu> writes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wouldn't say that those albums suck. Production
> >>wise, So Far, So Good, So What is crap, but musically it's great (except
> >>for 502). Rust in Peace, to me, is better than any Metallica album, music
> >>wise, except for Justice. Production wise, it's a tough call.
> >>
> >
> >listens to what the music is like, chucks bad bits out, and puts the
> >song into order etc. Somebody tell me please.
>
> ie. a thin, tinny sound is crap, a full, sound is erm, better. Though
> that's not all, you can have all the thickness of sound on an album,
> but it can still sound crap. All good balance is needed in order for
> all the instruments to be heard clearly.
producer is supposed to be there to bring out the best the band can
deliver and make sure everything goes smoothly throughout the studio
session. The producer should have faith in the engineer enough to let
the engineer do the recording, as long as the producer communicates
clearly to the engineer what the band is trying to accomplish. It just
might be that they want a sucky,tinny sound as opposed to a polished
sound (Megadeth's "Rust in Peace").That's the great thing about music,
there is NO wrong or right way to engineer,record,mix, or produce.Just
some conventional ways to do things, but no hard or fast lines.
B.D. Kerr
In article <329DB3...@li.net>, Jeff DiBartolomeo <jdi...@li.net> writes:
> > In article <E184z...@csc.liv.ac.uk>, u5...@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.D. Kerr)
> > >
I was speaking from a purely sound-based level. Of course I could have went
into greater detail but I was generalising. Not everyone might want or need to
know hence the offer of further info. By the way, I agree with what you have
written, I should do, one of my best mates is a record producer.
Brad.
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