OT: Thank you...
samiam
(Better than Raw). It's awesome! That last album I heard
from these guys was Keeper of the 7 keys pt.2. I'm thinking
about buying all the ones I missed in between these two. Any
suggestions?
-samiam
Shiflet
Well, I love the Keeper albums, and Pink Bubbles Go Ape(hands down
weirdest title I've ever heard) has some good stuff as well. Master of
the Rings wasn't bad, but it's my least favorite of those I've heard...
Danny Shiflet
"We plan ahead, that way we don't have to do anything right now"-
Valentine, Tremors
> -samiam
Lionheart
samiam wrote:
>Thanks to whoever suggested picking up
>Helloween's latest (Better than Raw). It's
>awesome! That last album I heard from
>these guys was Keeper of the 7 keys >pt.2.
>I'm thinking about buying all the ones I
>missed in between these two. Any
>suggestions?
>Well, I love the Keeper albums, and Pink
I would go out and get yourself "The Time Of The Oath", it's the best
Helloween album of all IMO. Also, get "Master Of The Rings" (my second
fave), but make sure and try to get the Castle w/the bonus disc one.
There's some great stuff on that 2nd CD. Those 2 also feature Andi Deris
on vocals. Since you've already got the next best ones (BTR and
Keepers), then I would suggest "Chameleon", which is a lot different
than the others, but still OK (not great, just decent. The sound is
similar to newer Savatage). I would avoid at all cost the "Pink Bubbles
Go Ape", which IMO is pop drivel at its upmost. Both of those feature
Kiske before he left. There's also solo albums available by both Kiske
(Instant Clarity) and Deris (Come In From The Rain) that were done
recently. I recommend getting the Deris CD - great melodic metal. I
haven't heard the Kiske CD, but I've heard from reviews and other people
that it's very disappointing. (Gee, I'm not surprised.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LIONHEART
Why do we have to fall from grace
Holdin' on to yesterday
When home sweet home is outta place
Lionheart will find his way
(Le Tekro/Harnell)
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Shiflet
> I would go out and get yourself "The Time Of The Oath", it's the best
> Helloween album of all IMO. Also, get "Master Of The Rings" (my second
> fave),
Whoa, you like MotR better than the Keepers albums? Oh well, to each his
own I guess...
> but make sure and try to get the Castle w/the bonus disc one.
> There's some great stuff on that 2nd CD. Those 2 also feature Andi Deris
> on vocals. Since you've already got the next best ones (BTR and
> Keepers), then I would suggest "Chameleon", which is a lot different
> than the others, but still OK (not great, just decent. The sound is
> similar to newer Savatage). I would avoid at all cost the "Pink Bubbles
> Go Ape", which IMO is pop drivel at its upmost.
Hmm, again we differ. While PBGA is certainly nowhere near either
Keepers, I certainly prefer it to MotR...
> Both of those feature
> Kiske before he left. There's also solo albums available by both Kiske
> (Instant Clarity) and Deris (Come In From The Rain) that were done
> recently. I recommend getting the Deris CD - great melodic metal. I
> haven't heard the Kiske CD, but I've heard from reviews and other people
> that it's very disappointing. (Gee, I'm not surprised.)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> LIONHEART
> Why do we have to fall from grace
> Holdin' on to yesterday
> When home sweet home is outta place
> Lionheart will find his way
> (Le Tekro/Harnell)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Danny Shiflet
JustSayOz
a very good album, some of the transitions aren't the best, but it's one
of the best, I've heard in a while. BTW thanks Gary (M.M.W.) this was a
good suggestion.
samiam wrote:
> Thanks to whoever suggested picking up Helloween's latest
> (Better than Raw). It's awesome! That last album I heard
> from these guys was Keeper of the 7 keys pt.2. I'm thinking
> about buying all the ones I missed in between these two. Any
> suggestions?
>
> -samiam
--
JustSayOz
"It's Just a jump to the left
Then a step to the right
Put your hands on your hips
Pull your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrusts
That drive you insane
Let's do the Time Warp again!"
Lionheart
Danny wrote:
>Whoa, you like MotR better than the
>Keepers albums? Oh well, to each his
>own I guess...
<snip mine>
>Hmm, again we differ. While PBGA is
>certainly nowhere near either Keepers, I
>certainly prefer it to MotR...
Yes, I know I'm probably in the minority in relation to this, but I'd
take Deris and Grapow over Kiske and Hansen anyday. There's something
about Kiske's voice I don't like as much as most of you. To me he's a
Geoff Tate, Tony Harnell type rip-off. I don't think he could hold the
jockstrap of either of those two. And I think Grapow is very underrated.
It seems like Hansen and Weikath get all the props, but this guy can
shred with the best of them. You guys oughta check out his solo release
"4 Seasons Of Life". If that doesn't convince you that he's a great
guitarist, then I don't know what will.
Pink Bubbles Go Ape over MotR, Danny?? To each his own, indeed. :-)
I've read in interviews with the band, that when asked about PBGA, that
they were a bit embarrased about even talking about it, because it's so
un-Helloween like. I feel the same way. Oh well, we each have different
tastes. See ya.
Shiflet
> Yes, I know I'm probably in the minority in relation to this, but I'd
> take Deris and Grapow over Kiske and Hansen anyday. There's something
> about Kiske's voice I don't like as much as most of you. To me he's a
> Geoff Tate, Tony Harnell type rip-off.
Nothing wrong with that, he reminds me a fair amount of Bruce at times
as well. Andy Deris has a vocal style I don't like, don't know what to
call it, just not my style.
> I don't think he could hold the
> jockstrap of either of those two. And I think Grapow is very underrated.
> It seems like Hansen and Weikath get all the props, but this guy can
> shred with the best of them.
Hansen and Weikath are easily a couple of the best guitarists I've
heard. I rank them as high as Randy Rhoads and Mike Denner, and that's
about as high as I can rate someone. Haven't heard much Grapow, but just
based on MotR I'd never let him anywhere near a band that had the
talents of either Weikath or Hansen. My dad loves Keepers era Helloween,
but when I played him MoTR he didn't think I'd got the right tape. I
told him they had a different vocalist, but the reason he asked was that
the music sounded nothing like the amazing guitar work on Keepers 1-2.
Neither of us though the band sounded even close to the way they had,
either vocally or musically. Sort of like Maiden with Blaze and Gers
actually.... Come on, Perfect Gentleman?
> You guys oughta check out his solo release
> "4 Seasons Of Life". If that doesn't convince you that he's a great
> guitarist, then I don't know what will.
It does sound better than MotR I take it?
> Pink Bubbles Go Ape over MotR, Danny?? To each his own, indeed. :-)
Yes, I prefer Kiske's style to Deris's, and I consider Hansen miles
ahead of Grapow. But oh well...
> I've read in interviews with the band, that when asked about PBGA, that
> they were a bit embarrased about even talking about it, because it's so
> un-Helloween like. I feel the same way. Oh well, we each have different
> tastes. See ya.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> LIONHEART
> Why do we have to fall from grace
> Holdin' on to yesterday
> When home sweet home is outta place
> Lionheart will find his way
> (Le Tekro/Harnell)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Danny Shiflet
George Sotiriadis
> (Better than Raw). It's awesome! That last album I heard
> from these guys was Keeper of the 7 keys pt.2. I'm thinking
> about buying all the ones I missed in between these two. Any
> suggestions?
>
> -samiam
Man! I love Helloween!
Get Time Of The Oath , Master Of The Rings and High Live which is the
2cd live recording from the time of the oath tour. Chameleon from 93 is
where Michael Kiske's warped influence came in although it still has
some great highlights , pink bubbles go ape is probably the last cd to
get..it's got some good tracks but in regards to helloween's best albums
it's not up there at all!
And visit my homepage if you get a chance :
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~helloween/
George Sotiriadis
> > take Deris and Grapow over Kiske and Hansen anyday. There's something
> > about Kiske's voice I don't like as much as most of you. To me he's a
> > Geoff Tate, Tony Harnell type rip-off.
>
> Nothing wrong with that, he reminds me a fair amount of Bruce at times
> as well. Andy Deris has a vocal style I don't like, don't know what to
> call it, just not my style.
>
I Love Andi Deris's voice , and his solo album is amazing! Great music! I have
no problem with Kiske's voice but i have a problem with him! He's F**ked in
the head! Go and read some interviews with the bitter guy....he's become
involved in some weird cult and his head is F**ked! Vocally he's a big
influence on me , but it was too limiting....all that high pitch gets
limiting....Deris is a great singer , much more versatile but more importantly
is an AMAZING frontman. The guy is a legend!
>
> > I don't think he could hold the
> > jockstrap of either of those two. And I think Grapow is very underrated.
> > It seems like Hansen and Weikath get all the props, but this guy can
> > shred with the best of them.
>
> Hansen and Weikath are easily a couple of the best guitarists I've
> heard. I rank them as high as Randy Rhoads and Mike Denner, and that's
> about as high as I can rate someone. Haven't heard much Grapow, but just
> based on MotR I'd never let him anywhere near a band that had the
> talents of either Weikath or Hansen. My dad loves Keepers era Helloween,
> but when I played him MoTR he didn't think I'd got the right tape. I
> told him they had a different vocalist, but the reason he asked was that
> the music sounded nothing like the amazing guitar work on Keepers 1-2.
> Neither of us though the band sounded even close to the way they had,
> either vocally or musically. Sort of like Maiden with Blaze and Gers
#1 , I LOVE MOTR
#2 , Roland Grapow can play anything Kai Hansen can play. I feel he is
AMAZINGLY underrated. His solo CD IS testament to that , a melodic and fast
player with great tone. His work on Better Than Raw and TOTO is amazing.....
> actually.... Come on, Perfect Gentleman?
>
What the hell's wrong with PG? I love it! Don't let the bands humour turn you
away!
>
> > You guys oughta check out his solo release
> > "4 Seasons Of Life". If that doesn't convince you that he's a great
> > guitarist, then I don't know what will.
>
> It does sound better than MotR I take it?
>
Err what the hell's wrong with MOTR? Soul Survivor? Where The Rain Grows?
Secret Alibi? These are amazing songs man!
>
> > Pink Bubbles Go Ape over MotR, Danny?? To each his own, indeed. :-)
>
> Yes, I prefer Kiske's style to Deris's, and I consider Hansen miles
> ahead of Grapow. But oh well...
>
I disagree totally but as you've said each to their own/
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~helloween/
Shiflet
>
> I Love Andi Deris's voice , and his solo album is amazing! Great music! I have
> no problem with Kiske's voice but i have a problem with him! He's F**ked in
> the head! Go and read some interviews with the bitter guy....he's become
> involved in some weird cult and his head is F**ked! Vocally he's a big
> influence on me , but it was too limiting....all that high pitch gets
> limiting....Deris is a great singer , much more versatile but more importantly
> is an AMAZING frontman. The guy is a legend!
I just don't like his voice.
> #1 , I LOVE MOTR
> #2 , Roland Grapow can play anything Kai Hansen can play.
I take it he got better after MotR? Cause if not, I'm gonna seriously
have to doubt that statement...
> I feel he is
> AMAZINGLY underrated. His solo CD IS testament to that , a melodic and fast
> player with great tone. His work on Better Than Raw and TOTO is amazing.....
Okay, but not his work on MotR...
> What the hell's wrong with PG? I love it! Don't let the bands humour turn you away!
Not just the stupid lyrics, it's the music. It sucks! I don't mind the
bands's humor, but when the music is lame I don't wanna hear it.
> Err what the hell's wrong with MOTR? Soul Survivor? Where The Rain Grows?
> Secret Alibi? These are amazing songs man!
Yeah, those songs aren't bad, but they're nowhere near as good as
Twilight of the Gods, or Eagle Fly Free, or several other Kiske/Hansen
era songs. Grapow doesn't sound near as good as Hansen, and I don't like
Deris's vocals.
> I disagree totally but as you've said each to their own/
>
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~helloween/
Danny Shiflet
Lionheart
>I Love Andi Deris's voice , and his solo
>great singer , much more versatile but
>more importantly is an AMAZING
>frontman. The guy is a legend!
I agree 10000%. Very well said. I am a HUGE Andi Deris fan. In fact,
I've been following him since his days with Pink Cream 69, and was so
disappointed when Maiden passed him up, but flabbergasted when he joined
Helloween. He is the ideal frontman. I also love his solo album "Come In
From The Rain" - an instant classic. Unlike Kiske, he has range. He can
go both high and low with the best of them. I can go on and on praising
this guy, but my words alone won't even do justice as to what a legend
and great singer this guy is!!
>I have no problem with Kiske's voice but >i
>have a problem with him! He's F**ked in
>the head! Go and read some interviews
>with the bitter guy....he's become >involved
>in some weird cult and his head is >F**ked!
>Vocally he's a big influence on me , but it
>was too limiting....all that high pitch gets
>limiting....
Again, right on. I'm partial to the type of vocal style that Kiske does.
I've always loved that high pitched style (Harnell is my idol, vocally),
but with Kiske, it seems like you just get the same 'ol monotone pitch
that gets very old, very quickly. I would much rather hear guys like
Alder, Tate, etc.. As for his personality, I've heard some horror
stories about what he has become. There has even been some talk in this
NG about him replacing Blaze - big mistake IMO. They're better off
getting a guy like a Tony Martin or Dougie White, even though they
probably wouldn't be the ideal replacement, but definitely not Kiske.