Why do so many people dislike blaze
Ralph
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Igor Bratic
>
> What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
> rocks.
??? Have you not heard Mr. Air Raid Siren? If Blaze is Maiden singer,
he must be compared to Bruce. Need I say more?
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Igor Bratic wrote in message <367F23...@home.com>...
>Ralph wrote:
>>
>> What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think
it
>> rocks.
>
>??? Have you not heard Mr. Air Raid Siren? If Blaze is Maiden singer,
>he must be compared to Bruce. Need I say more?
>
>--
>Igor
Everyone knows he sounds nothing like Bruce. Why should he?
I'm glad Maiden has tried something different with Blaze.
Once again I will repeat myself--Bruce is better off solo!
Coming back to Maiden right now would be a major set back for him.
In few years, who knows?
Cheers,(See you over at that other newsgroup Igor!)
Pat
The Educated Fool
>
> What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
> rocks.
>
I don’t personally dislike Blaze, but the reason other people do
dislike him is simple: he is not Bruce Dickinson. I am sure the same
thing happened when Bruce first joined, some people may have preferred
Paul Di’Anno over Bruce. But Bruce quickly proved himself, plus
Paul was only on two albums, whereas Bruce was with the band for 10
years, 7 albums, plus he is one of the most gifted vocalists in the
world. Some people just cannot accept the fact that Bruce left
Maiden, some just won’t accept anyone other than Bruce. If
Steve were to, say, fire Blaze and hire someone else, no matter
how talented he is, they would probably say the same things because
he is not Bruce Dickinson. But those who don’t like Blaze should
remember a few things:
1) Bruce left Maiden, it was HIS decision, not Steve’s
2) Steve Harris was fearing Bruce would leave ever since Tatooed
Millionaire and Adrian Smith’s departure, so don’t blame Steve
3) Steve Harris has kept Maiden together for almost 25 years, he
would not choose someone to sing who was not talented
I can understand if people don’t like Blaze’s singing, but that is no
reason to say he should die or anything. It’s not like he has
taken over the band, Steve chose him to be the lead vocalist. And I
don’t believe for a second these rumors that Maiden is trying to get
Bruce back. That does not sound at all like Steve Harris. It sounds
like rumours from people who can’t move on with their lives.
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Igor Bratic
>
>
> Cheers,(See you over at that other newsgroup Igor!)
Yeah, we need some new topics there, though.
Igor Bratic
>
> 3) Steve Harris has kept Maiden together for almost 25 years, he
> would not choose someone to sing who was not talented
You could say the same about Tony Iommi, but how can you explain a
blunder called Dio?
Christopher Davis
Fotd and Npftd bad albums and Bruce is on them. The same goes for the
Blaze albums. The songwriting is not up to par and Blaze is just a
scapegoat. He's not a good singer for Maiden, but he's got a dark ominous
sounding voice that Steve should tap into more on the next record. It
could fit the Maiden sound if Maiden changed their sound and developed it.
Unlike Priest, Maiden has stayed the same and not moved forward. 7th son
was a step in the right direction and Adrian was right to find a problem
with Steve's ideas on NPFTD. Adrian thought the band should move forward
and develop their sound in new directions. There's a lot of talent in the
group and it was just a matter of digging deep and bringing those ideas
out. Maiden needed to reinvent themselves. Hell, Priest has done it on
each and every album. There's no reason why Maiden couldn't do it. Steve
is just too stubborn an individual and I think it was his fault that the
band stagnated. Blaze could have brought new life to the band with his
voice, but Steve didn't take that into consideration in his writing. It's
a damn shame, 'cause I feel that Maiden has a lot of potential, and
unfortunately the last four albums haven't reflected that at all.
Aaron Burrough
<sad...@iconn.net> wrote:
> Ralph wrote:
> >
> > What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
> > rocks.
> >
> > --
> > Thank you,
> > Ralph J Abdo,
> > Manager, EquityAnlysis.com
> > http://www.equityanalysis.com
>
>
> I don’t personally dislike Blaze, but the reason other people do
> dislike him is simple: he is not Bruce Dickinson.
Speak for yourself, jackanus. My disliking of Blaze is totally irrelevant
to our lord and savior Mr. Bruce Dickinson. I don't like him because his
singing is boring, monotone, emotionless, tired, uninspired, and down
right annoying. I like Paul Di'anno and he isn't Bruce Dickinson, I like
Tim Owens and he isn't Rob Halford, I like Andi Deris and he isn't Micheal
Kiske, etc... I hope I've proven my point.
--
Aaron
"Iron Maiden's gonna get ya no matter how far!" - Steve Harris
JustSayOz
he would beat me up and take my lunch money.
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Igor Bratic
>
> Well I have always had a problem with him, because in grade school,
> he would beat me up and take my lunch money.
Really? He looks like a guy who would't kill a fly, let alone beat
someone up or butcher a song.
JustSayOz
it made his voice deeper...
Igor Bratic wrote:
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Igor Bratic
>
> Well, I made fun of him because he was always eating paste. He said
> it made his voice deeper...
I heard that a well-placed kick in the nads can make your voice higher.
Tokus
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<367F337B...@iconn.net>...
>If Steve were to, say, fire Blaze and hire someone else, no matter
>how talented he is, they would probably say the same things because
First they would say that they're glad Blaze left, and that whoever replaced
him is a million times better then Blaze, even if he's not. Then, after that
storm has blown over, they would start pissing on him and want Bruce back.
> But those who don’t like Blaze should
>remember a few things:
>I can understand if people don’t like Blaze’s singing, but that is no
>reason to say he should die or anything. It’s not like he has
>taken over the band, Steve chose him to be the lead vocalist. And I
>don’t believe for a second these rumors that Maiden is trying to get
>Bruce back. That does not sound at all like Steve Harris. It sounds
>like rumours from people who can’t move on with their lives.
Like Tony would have said it: 10000%!
cu
Tonnie
Curtis Rea
>> it made his voice deeper...
>
>I heard that a well-placed kick in the nads can make your voice higher.
Personally, I don't think Michael Jackson would sound very good fronting
Maiden
Curtis
Mike
I think that people that think people hate Blaze "because he is not
Bruce" should relize that this is not true!! People hate Blaze because
he sucks! No one cares that he is not Bruce! Why would anyone expect
any one but Bruce to be Bruce?
Mike
wrote:
>The Educated Fool wrote:
>>
>> 3) Steve Harris has kept Maiden together for almost 25 years, he
>> would not choose someone to sing who was not talented
>
>You could say the same about Tony Iommi, but how can you explain a
>blunder called Dio?
Being at the right place at the right time!
Mike
album or two when Steve Harris writting gets even worse they can kick
out Steve and just have Geddy play bass as well as sing! Wouldn't that
be cool? Maby even replace Janick with Alex Lifeson. And if Nicko
doesn't like it then replace him Neil Peart!
Tony Szablowski
>What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I
think >it rocks.
(1) His singing style; (2) He sings outta key; (3) From the boots
I've heard he doesn't seem to have much stage presence. I reserve
final judgement on this last one because I haven't seen them live yet.
--
Regards,
Tony
Tony Szablowski
<G> As a total lark I thought of this a few times. Can't even
imagine what it'd sound like with Geddy playing Steve's bass lines. I
think he would be bored outta his cranium!
--
Regards,
Tony
Tony Szablowski
>I don’t personally dislike Blaze, but the reason other people do
You're are an _un-educated_ fool, speaking for anyone who doesn't like
Blaze.
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Tony
Tony Szablowski
>I think the problem is more the songwriting than Blaze. People
>consider Fotd and Npftd bad albums and Bruce is on them. The
It's both the writing quality _and_ Blaze's .....contributions.
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Tony
Tony Szablowski
>Speak for yourself, jackanus. My disliking of Blaze is totally
>irrelevant to our lord and savior Mr. Bruce Dickinson. I don't like
him >because his singing is boring, monotone, emotionless, tired,
<SNIP!!>
Yeah, what he(meaning you) said! :-))
--
Regards,
Tony
Tony Szablowski
>First they would say that they're glad Blaze left, and that whoever
>replaced him is a million times better then Blaze, even if he's not.
>Then, after that storm has blown over, they would start pissing on
>him and want Bruce back.
I know for myself that I would want someone that would fit in right
with Maiden and their music. Gotta give the new guy a chance, that's
all.
I don't want Bruce back with Maiden. If there was no rift between
Steve and Bruce, that would be another story _BUT STILL_ if I had just
heard Skunkworks back in 1996(obviously before AoB or TCW) I probably
wouldn't have wanted Bruce to go back to Maiden then either.
>>don’t believe for a second these rumors that Maiden is trying to
>>get Bruce back. That does not sound at all like Steve Harris. It
>>sounds like rumours from people who can’t move on with their
>>lives.
>
>Like Tony would have said it: 10000%!
I wouldn't agree actually because, and I've said this before, I think
Maiden would toss Bruce a bone but in a very off-handed way. IOW, I
don't think Steve would come right out and ask Bruce to come back. I
think it would be done by someone that knows both Steve and Bruce and
it would be in an offhand way. Interesting thing here is that
......well, I'll post this thought I was going to write in another
post.
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Regards,
Tony
Ralph
along the lines of "he is not Bruce." When looking strictly at Blaze's
singing, it IS true he can't do what Bruce does BUT he does have a powerful
voice. I think his main problem is that his singing doesn't flow. "So much
ad rena line" for example.
PS- would you look at that, I spelled people wrong heheh.
Tony Szablowski wrote in message <75ogm4$o...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
JustSayOz
interesting!
Mike wrote:
> I think that Iron Maiden should get Geddy Lee to sing, then after an
> album or two when Steve Harris writting gets even worse they can kick
> out Steve and just have Geddy play bass as well as sing! Wouldn't that
>
> be cool? Maby even replace Janick with Alex Lifeson. And if Nicko
> doesn't like it then replace him Neil Peart!
--
Tony Szablowski
>Basically then, of all the reasons given here, the main one is
>something along the lines of "he is not Bruce." When looking strictly
>at Blaze's singing, it IS true he can't do what Bruce does BUT he
>does have a powerful voice. I think his main problem is that his
>singing doesn't flow. "So much adrenaline" for example.
Turning what I said into a "He's not Bruce" argument, eh?
Bruce exhibits those qualities I listed, yes, but nowhere in my post
did I say "he's not Bruce." If Blaze had those qualities then we
wouldn't be here discussing this now, right? Riiight. If they got
a singer who had more singing ability(while better suiting the music
they're making these days) than stage presence, I'd be happier than I
am now with Blaze at the helm. That's the point. Nothing more,
nothing less.
--
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Tony
Tony Szablowski
>Basically then, of all the reasons given here, the main one is
>something along the lines of "he is not Bruce." When looking strictly
One point I forgot to mention was Iron Maiden has to write better
music, for at least me, to have me buy another studio album. Blaze
is one point, the music is another point. If they made both a little
better, than I just might shell out some ducats for a new Maiden CD.
--
Regards,
Tony
JustSayOz
saying that Blaze is, or is not a good singer. We can define it
technically, and all the other bullshit, but let's not. Let's just say
for the sake of argument that Blaze is a good singer. That, IMO is not
all that matters. If he takes over someone's position in a band that
has been around for quite some time, he needs to be able to sing the old
stuff. People want to hear the old songs, and it doesn't matter how
good a singer he is, if he can't sing the old stuff, then he won't fit
well with the band.
Now consider this scenario. Remember when Bon Scott died? Well
what if Blaze took over there? I don't think that there are even any
Blaze supporters that could argue that that would be appropriate. What
if Geddy Lee suddenly left RUSH, and Blaze took over. Nobody could
argue that Blaze would fit in there, no matter how good, or not good
(technically) a singer, Blaze is.
My second point is this. Any singer of any band must be able to
play songs live. You could be the best fucking singer in the world, you
could be Dickinson, Kiske, Lee, etc. all rolled up into one, and if you
got sick on every tour, it just wouldn't work. How long are people
gonna buy albums for a group they've never seen live?!
Case and Point: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF BLAZE IS A GREAT SINGER OR
NOT, HE DOESN'T BELONG IN IRON MAIDEN.
Tony Szablowski
Can you please quote (at least some of) the msg you're replying to in
the future, bud?
Thanks.
>all that matters. If he takes over someone's position in a band that
>has been around for quite some time, he needs to be able to sing >the
old stuff. People want to hear the old songs, and it doesn't >matter
how good a singer he is, if he can't sing the old stuff, then he
>won't fit well with the band.
There's one thing you've forgotten though. If the band likes the way
he's doing the previous singer's material, then it doesn't matter what
you or I have to say about it. Hey, I feel he can't do justice to
the old songs either. But there's been bands throughout the years
that could've/should've had better players or singers but still
succeeded, financially & fame-wise. If the band likes or dislikes it,
then that's all that matters, unless you're a band just starting to
make it big and you don't have the track record. Like Metallica, for
instance. They can pretty much do anything they want right now
because they're riding a big, fucking tidal wave.
>Now consider this scenario. Remember when Bon Scott died? >Well
what if Blaze took over there? I don't think that there are even >any
Blaze supporters that could argue that that would be >appropriate.
What if Geddy Lee suddenly left RUSH, and Blaze >took over. Nobody
could argue that Blaze would fit in there, no >matter how good, or not
good (technically) a singer, Blaze is.
In a situation such as the one RUSH has,(3 people, Geddy's unique
voice, etc.) that is apples and oranges. As for AC/DC, you may be
right, but I'd like to hear it before giving a valid opinion. But
that's a "what if" anyway.
>My second point is this. Any singer of any band must be able to
>play songs live. You could be the best fucking singer in the world,
>could be Dickinson, Kiske, Lee, etc. all rolled up into one, and if
you
>got sick on every tour, it just wouldn't work. How long are people
>gonna buy albums for a group they've never seen live?!
True. I personally felt affronted when I heard they cancelled the
rest of the US tour and didn't even (supposedly) try to schedule any
make-up dates here. They could still play the US, technically, but I
seriously doubt it'll happen for this tour.
--
Regards,
Tony
Igor Bratic
I don't think it was a kick in Michael Jackson's case, most likely as
sledgehammer.
Stargazer
> What if Geddy Lee suddenly left RUSH, and Blaze took over....
LOL!!! That made my day! Thanks.
:).. (those two periods represent tears from laughing so hard)
Ed
wrote:
> That is not all that matters. People have presented numerous cases
>saying that Blaze is, or is not a good singer. We can define it
>technically, and all the other bullshit, but let's not. Let's just say
>for the sake of argument that Blaze is a good singer. That, IMO is not
>all that matters. If he takes over someone's position in a band that
>has been around for quite some time, he needs to be able to sing the old
>stuff. People want to hear the old songs, and it doesn't matter how
>good a singer he is, if he can't sing the old stuff, then he won't fit
>well with the band.
> Now consider this scenario. Remember when Bon Scott died? Well
>what if Blaze took over there? I don't think that there are even any
>Blaze supporters that could argue that that would be appropriate. What
>if Geddy Lee suddenly left RUSH, and Blaze took over. Nobody could
>argue that Blaze would fit in there, no matter how good, or not good
>(technically) a singer, Blaze is.
> My second point is this. Any singer of any band must be able to
>play songs live. You could be the best fucking singer in the world, you
>could be Dickinson, Kiske, Lee, etc. all rolled up into one, and if you
>got sick on every tour, it just wouldn't work. How long are people
>gonna buy albums for a group they've never seen live?!
> Case and Point: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF BLAZE IS A GREAT SINGER OR
>NOT, HE DOESN'T BELONG IN IRON MAIDEN.
>
>
>--
>JustSayOz
>
>
>"It's Just a jump to the left
>Then a step to the right
>Put your hands on your hips
>Pull your knees in tight
>But it's the pelvic thrusts
>That drive you insane
>Let's do the Time Warp again!"
OZ you are da man.
>
>
analogkid2112
exactly like Bruce.
analogkid2112
Ralph wrote in message <367f2...@news.total.net>...
>What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
>rocks.
>
>
Shiflet
>
> I guess the majority of the "Blaze Bashers" do so because he doesn't sound
> exactly like Bruce.
Congratulations, you've apparently missed the 10+ posts explaining why
that wasn't the reason.
> analogkid2112
Danny Shiflet
"We plan ahead, that was we don't have to do anything right now"-
Valentine, Tremors
Mike
strangeworld
wrote:
>How long are people
>gonna buy albums for a group they've never seen live?!
I've been buying Maiden albums since 86, and I haven't seen them live
*SOB!!*
Shiflet
I've never seen Ozzy, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Black Sabbath,
Maiden, Priest, and every other band I ever listen to live except for
Weird Al Yankovic, yet I do and will continue to buy their albums... Not
seeing someone live doesn't mean a thing to me, as long as their albums
remain good I will continue to buy. And if, OTOH, I saw someone live
several times but the albums sucked, I'd not buy them(no matter how good
the performance)
Paul Enzenhofer
> In article <367F337B...@iconn.net>, The Educated Fool
> <sad...@iconn.net> wrote:
>
> > Ralph wrote:
> > >
> > > What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
> > > rocks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thank you,
> > > Ralph J Abdo,
> > > Manager, EquityAnlysis.com
> > > http://www.equityanalysis.com
> >
> >
> > I don’t personally dislike Blaze, but the reason other people do
> > dislike him is simple: he is not Bruce Dickinson.
>
> Speak for yourself, jackanus. My disliking of Blaze is totally irrelevant
> to our lord and savior Mr. Bruce Dickinson. I don't like him because his
> singing is boring, monotone, emotionless, tired, uninspired, and down
> right annoying. I like Paul Di'anno and he isn't Bruce Dickinson, I like
> Tim Owens and he isn't Rob Halford, I like Andi Deris and he isn't Micheal
> Kiske, etc... I hope I've proven my point.
Good point it is, too. I was embarrassed today when someone was playing
the song 'virus' from Best of the Beast. The impression people I know who
heard that was 'how the hell can you listen to this crap?'. And they have
a point.. most top-20 crap is more listenable than Maiden's last two
outings with Blazey boy.
Paul
>
> --
> Aaron
>
> "Iron Maiden's gonna get ya no matter how far!" - Steve Harris
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________________
"..and realise you're living in the golden years"
- A. Smith -
Paul Enzenhofer
> >> Well, I made fun of him because he was always eating paste. He said
> >> it made his voice deeper...
> >
> >I heard that a well-placed kick in the nads can make your voice higher.
>
>
> Personally, I don't think Michael Jackson would sound very good fronting
> Maiden
Six ow six six woooop the number come on of the beast oowwww.
hmm.. no thanks!
>
> Curtis
Tokus
Igor Bratic heeft geschreven in bericht <368000...@home.com>...
>> Personally, I don't think Michael Jackson would sound very good fronting
>> Maiden
>
>sledgehammer.
no man, he probably had them removed when they were changing his face. they
couldn't tell the difference between his face and his ass and accidentally
cut his balls out.
cu
Tonnie
Igor Bratic
Does he have a single body part that's actually his own?
Tony Szablowski
>> Personally, I don't think Michael Jackson would sound very good
>>fronting Maiden
>
LOL!!!!! <shaking head> Oh man, that was funny bud. <thinking
about MJ singing with that one glove on> "Iron Maiden, gonna get you,
ow!, no matter how far." LOL!
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Tom Fletcher
>Everyone knows he sounds nothing like Bruce. Why should he?
True.
>I'm glad Maiden has tried something different with Blaze.
They did need a singer. They couldn't carry on without one.
>Once again I will repeat myself--Bruce is better off solo!
Yes! Agreed
>Coming back to Maiden right now would be a major set back for him.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Definetly agreed!
>In few years, who knows?
Yeah, Maiden may realise that they are fooling themselves into thinking they
should carry on. They have had over 20 years. Its time they had a rest.
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
Tom Fletcher
a review on the box set. They had a review on all the albums, and there is
one point it makes that Blaze on Futureal sounds like Meatloaf on Dead
Ringer For Love!!
Any comments? (I did NOT make this up, this was really said.)
--
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
"Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
Bruce Dickinson
Mike wrote in message <36824e3d...@news.prodigy.net>...
The Educated Fool
>
> In article <367F337B...@iconn.net>, The Educated Fool
> <sad...@iconn.net> wrote:
>
> > Ralph wrote:
> > >
> > > What is it exactly about his singing that most poeple dislike ? I think it
> > > rocks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thank you,
> > > Ralph J Abdo,
> > > Manager, EquityAnlysis.com
> > > http://www.equityanalysis.com
> >
> >
> > I don’t personally dislike Blaze, but the reason other people do
> > dislike him is simple: he is not Bruce Dickinson.
>
> Speak for yourself, jackanus. My disliking of Blaze is totally irrelevant
> to our lord and savior Mr. Bruce Dickinson. I don't like him because his
> singing is boring, monotone, emotionless, tired, uninspired, and down
> right annoying. I like Paul Di'anno and he isn't Bruce Dickinson, I like
> Tim Owens and he isn't Rob Halford, I like Andi Deris and he isn't Micheal
> Kiske, etc... I hope I've proven my point.
>
> Aaron
>
> "Iron Maiden's gonna get ya no matter how far!" - Steve Harris
OK, there’s no need for childish name-calling, you bastard. I may
not have mentioned it, but that was my opinion. I would hope you
people would be intelligent enough to infer it. As I said, I can
understand if people don’t like Blaze’s singing. But I happen to like
Virtual XI and especially The X Factor. He does a damned good job
on those albums, and that is why Steve selected him. I don’t
understand why Steve would select someone who was no good. I
wonder if you also hate Janick Gers, because remember, your “lord
and savior” Bruce Dickinson chose him for his solo project, so
obviously he must think that Janick is talented, just as Steve
believes Blaze is talented. I am certainly not knocking Bruce,
I happen to think The Chemical Wedding is the best album of the
year, and Accident of Birth best of 1997. And I am certainly not
saying that Blaze is better. But Steve just wouldn’t choose someone
he didn’t think had talent.
Here’s something interesting.... what would you guys think if Steve had
gotten Paul Di’Anno to rejoin the band after Bruce left? When I heard
that Bruce was leaving, I always wondered if Steve would do that...
--
- The Educated Fool,
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“What I’ve felt “All of my life
What I’ve known I have believed
Never shined through in what I’ve shown.” Judgement of Heaven
- The Unforgiven (Metallica) Is waiting for me.”
- Judgement of Heaven
(Iron Maiden)
“A tout le monde “No more tears, no more tears
A tout mes amis If we live for a hundred years
Je vous aime Amigos, no more tears.”
Je dois partir - Como Estáis Amigos (Iron Maiden)
These are the last words
I’ll ever speak
And they’ll set me free.”
- A Tout Le Monde (Megadeth)
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Aaron Burrough
<sad...@iconn.net> wrote:
> I
> wonder if you also hate Janick Gers, because remember, your “lord
> and savior” Bruce Dickinson chose him for his solo project, so
> obviously he must think that Janick is talented,
I think Janick is a decent guitarist. He's no Adrian Smith, but he can
play well enough for me to enjoy him. I liked quite a few of his solos on
FOTD and I think if he stopped running around the stage like he was on
crack he'd prolly sound a lot better live.
> But Steve just wouldn’t choose someone
> he didn’t think had talent.
He may believe there's an ounce of talent in that fat body of Blazes, but
I sure don't. Based on the rumors as of late Steve may just have realized
what a horrible mistake he made when he hired Blazey boy.
> Here’s something interesting.... what would you guys think if Steve had
> gotten Paul Di’Anno to rejoin the band after Bruce left? When I heard
> that Bruce was leaving, I always wondered if Steve would do that...
I don't think that would have been a good idea. Have you seen Paul lately?
Tom Fletcher
>the song 'virus' from Best of the Beast. The impression people I know who
>heard that was 'how the hell can you listen to this crap?'. And they have
>a point.. most top-20 crap is more listenable than Maiden's last two
>outings with Blazey boy.
Virus is absolute SHITE. I think Blaze needs to sort out his "rats in the
cellar" problem, maybe by "sharpening all his paper knives" that are "all in
his head".
Anyway, I only bought the Virus single because it has Sanctuary and
Wrathchild from Metal for Muthas as b-sides.
And yeah, about the top 20 thing. I'd rather listen to shit like Oasis
before enjoying Blazes voice. I can't actually believe I bought VXI after
buying TXF (I hoped it would be a LOT better, not just a tiny tiny tiny tiny
tiny tiny tiny bit)
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
"Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
Bruce Dickinson
"You haunt me, you taunt me
You torture me back at your lair"
Steve Harris
Tom Fletcher
something to stop him singing. Get him alone in a bar or something and cut
his tounge out. Sure, you might get yelled at a bit, and probably get a
prison sentence, but you can at least listen to better Maiden music while
your inside!
--
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
"Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
Bruce Dickinson
"You haunt me, you taunt me
You torture me back at your lair"
Steve Harris
Mike wrote in message <3680a589...@news.prodigy.net>...
>
>
>I think that people that think people hate Blaze "because he is not
>Bruce" should relize that this is not true!! People hate Blaze because
>he sucks! No one cares that he is not Bruce! Why would anyone expect
>any one but Bruce to be Bruce?
Tom Fletcher
>I've heard he doesn't seem to have much stage presence. I reserve
When you see them live, you don't care what comes out of the PA speakers,
your just there to have a good time! When I have seen them live with Blaze,
I didn't stand at the back with my arms folded going "Ooooh, Blaze Bayley is
shit" or "Come back Bruce", I didn't listen to him, just jumped around with
the crowd and screamed my arse off. Don't go by live performances if you are
there, it's the worst thing you can do.
Tom Fletcher
Tony Szablowski wrote in message <75ogm4$o...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>(1) His singing style; (2) He sings outta key; (3) From the boots
>I've heard he doesn't seem to have much stage presence. I reserve
>final judgement on this last one because I haven't seen them live yet.
>--
BUT! When you have been to see them live, you realise when your ears have
gone back to normal, and you are no longer pissed what a shit show Blaze
puts on. On this tour all he seems to do is scream "Come On" to get the
crowd going and during Sanctuary, all he has ever done is go:
"From the Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
Come on let me hear you! Scream your lungs out for me!
From the
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww!"
And, Blaze's microphone technique is SO exagerated. it is plain obvious that
he has been to performing arts college and LEARNT to be a "Rock-star".
(Someone may have a clue what i'm trying to say)
Tom Fletcher
> Case and Point: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF BLAZE IS A GREAT SINGER OR
>NOT, HE DOESN'T BELONG IN IRON MAIDEN.
I appreciate this comment, BUT.....
1. Maiden needed a new singer. They couldn't have carried on without a
singer.
2. It is incredibly difficult (and brave) to carry on with a new singer.
Most bands would give up if their singer left. In fact, in a lot of bands,
the singer is the only one in the band with a contract. His "mates" who are
supposedly in the band are just payed as session musicians (Obviously not
the case in IM). So the singer IS the band. Simply Red should really be
Simply Hucknall.
Your point about Blaze replacing Geddy Lee was a bit wild! Blaze can't even
sing, and probably couldn't play bass!
Igor Bratic
>
> In article <36807B5F...@iconn.net>, The Educated Fool
> <sad...@iconn.net> wrote:
>
> > I
> > wonder if you also hate Janick Gers, because remember, your “lord
> > and savior” Bruce Dickinson chose him for his solo project, so
> > obviously he must think that Janick is talented,
>
> I think Janick is a decent guitarist. He's no Adrian Smith, but he can
> play well enough for me to enjoy him. I liked quite a few of his solos on
> FOTD and I think if he stopped running around the stage like he was on
> crack he'd prolly sound a lot better live.
Yes, Janick is a very good guitar player, he kicks ass on Tatooed
Millionaire, but he just doesn't fit Maiden style.
--
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Shell of a man God preserved -- a thousand ages,
But open the gates of my Hell -- I will strike from the grave.
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>
> >Good point it is, too. I was embarrassed today when someone was playing
> >the song 'virus' from Best of the Beast. The impression people I know who
> >heard that was 'how the hell can you listen to this crap?'. And they have
> >a point.. most top-20 crap is more listenable than Maiden's last two
> >outings with Blazey boy.
>
> Virus is absolute SHITE. I think Blaze needs to sort out his "rats in the
> cellar" problem, maybe by "sharpening all his paper knives" that are "all in
> his head".
I like it enough to cover it someday. I hate the beginning
though and Steve needs to cut the shit with these slow
beginnings. I love Blaze's singing in the song and it's
a nice simple powerful riff.
Peter R. Cook
>
> > Case and Point: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF BLAZE IS A GREAT SINGER OR
> >NOT, HE DOESN'T BELONG IN IRON MAIDEN.
>
> I appreciate this comment, BUT.....
>
> 1. Maiden needed a new singer. They couldn't have carried on without a
> singer.
>
> 2. It is incredibly difficult (and brave) to carry on with a new singer.
> Most bands would give up if their singer left. In fact, in a lot of bands,
> the singer is the only one in the band with a contract. His "mates" who are
> supposedly in the band are just payed as session musicians (Obviously not
> the case in IM). So the singer IS the band. Simply Red should really be
> Simply Hucknall.
I'll tell ya, personality is 50%of the battle. I know,
being in a band. If someone is a great singer but is
a complete ass, it just doesn't matter in the end.
From what I hear they get along famously. We'll see
if that's enough to save his butt.
-Peter
Mike
wrote:
>Yes, Janick is a very good guitar player, he kicks ass on Tatooed
>Millionaire, but he just doesn't fit Maiden style.
>--
>Igor
He did not "kick ass" on Tatooed Millionaire. He especially sucked
during the Tatooed Millionaire tour when I saw him as well.
Igor Bratic
He's not a heavy metal guitar player, that's all. You can't expect him
to be like H.
Tom Fletcher
>Millionaire, but he just doesn't fit Maiden style.
>--
>Igor
I think Maiden lost their "style" eight years ago, by bringing out NPFTD.
Paul Enzenhofer
> year, and Accident of Birth best of 1997. And I am certainly not
> saying that Blaze is better. But Steve just wouldn’t choose someone
> he didn’t think had talent.
Not necessarily. Steve wants a couple of hired guns, not fully integrated
band members (like Adrian and Bruce were) because he wants control of the
band. To me it seems like that was a big mistake, and he must be kicking
himself after seeing what Bruce and Adrian have achieved while he still
wallows in tired, rehashed riffs and a singer who, well, just can't sing.
Paul
>
> Here’s something interesting.... what would you guys think if Steve had
> gotten Paul Di’Anno to rejoin the band after Bruce left? When I heard
> that Bruce was leaving, I always wondered if Steve would do that...
>
>
> --
>
> - The Educated Fool,
> A Medieval Sage
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> (Iron Maiden)
>
> “A tout le monde “No more tears, no more tears
> A tout mes amis If we live for a hundred years
> Je vous aime Amigos, no more tears.”
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FaceMe78
>to be like H.
If he's not a heavy metal guitar player than what the hell is he doing in a
heavy metal band?
"All I wanted was a pepsi just one pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me just
one pepsi!"-ST
Igor Bratic
>
> >He's not a heavy metal guitar player, that's all. You can't expect him
> >to be like H.
>
> If he's not a heavy metal guitar player than what the hell is he doing in a
> heavy metal band?
Ask the dumbass who goes by the name of Steve.
Curtis Rea
>> >He's not a heavy metal guitar player, that's all. You can't expect him
>> >to be like H.
>>
>> If he's not a heavy metal guitar player than what the hell is he doing in
a
>> heavy metal band?
>
>Ask the dumbass who goes by the name of Steve.
Bruce brought him into Maiden, not Steve.
Igor Bratic
Are you saying that Bruce made the final decision? If Steve didn't want
him in Maiden, he'd bring someone else in. And if it was Bruce's
decision, why didn't he fire Janick after Bruce left?
D.P.
Nicko639 wrote in message <19981225224110...@ng122.aol.com>...
>>>Yes, Janick is a very good guitar player, he kicks ass on Tatooed
>>>Millionaire, but he just doesn't fit Maiden style.
>>>--
>
>Are kidding?? The stuff Janick did can be played by any dumbass that's
been
>playing guitar for 6 months....
>
>>I think Maiden lost their "style" eight years ago, by bringing out NPFTD.
>
>I think NPFTD was there last decent album.. The recording was half-way
decent
>and some songs are actually ok.. I like Running Silent Running Deep,
partly
>because I served aboard submarines..
!!No fucking way!!!! thats really cool man. If there was ever another world
war and I would have to participate it in, I'd make sure that I would be
aboard a nuke sub. Damn, I think that I've been playing too many sub
sims....
-Darek-
"...This is the magic that a name would stain...."
--Dark Tranquillity
There's a couple of other tunes that I
>think are cool.. I just can't stand Janick's butchering of solo's,
inlcuding
>his own..
>
>
> Nicko
Nicko639
>>Millionaire, but he just doesn't fit Maiden style.
>>--
Are kidding?? The stuff Janick did can be played by any dumbass that's been
playing guitar for 6 months....
>I think Maiden lost their "style" eight years ago, by bringing out NPFTD.
I think NPFTD was there last decent album.. The recording was half-way decent
and some songs are actually ok.. I like Running Silent Running Deep, partly
because I served aboard submarines.. There's a couple of other tunes that I
Mike
<t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I think Maiden lost their "style" eight years ago, by bringing out NPFTD.
You are correct.
Nicko639
>war and I would have to participate it in, I'd make sure that I would be
>aboard a nuke sub. Damn, I think that I've been playing too many sub
>sims....
>
>-Darek-
>
>"...This is the magic that a name would stain...."
>
>--Dark Tranquillity
>
We're talking 12-18 hour days with minimal.. Drill after drill after drill
after drill... You don't see daylight for months.. It gets depressing if
you're not strong willed.. Fortunatley, I had MAIDEN to keep me company which
helped pass the time.. There's lots of cool shit on a sub.. I served on a
Los Angelas Class Sub: Fast Attack Sub, Nuclear Powered, destroys other subs
that have nuclear capability(Russian, Chinese, etc) There's a couple cool
little nic-nacs and such and it's intriguing the first few weeks.. BUT, then
it gets kinda old and you almost wish something would happen... But then
again, I'd hate to be in a Sub if it was hit or something.. A pretty
untimely death: drowning or being crushed by 2000 psi of ocean water...
Anyhow, it was an experience....
Curtis Rea
>him in Maiden, he'd bring someone else in. And if it was Bruce's
>decision, why didn't he fire Janick after Bruce left?
Who said Steve didn't want him? Bruce brought him to Maiden (recommended
him) and the band obviously thought he was good enough. To blame only Steve
for having Janick in the band is crazy.
Curtis
Tony Szablowski
>When you see them live, you don't care what comes out of the PA
>speakers, your just there to have a good time! When I have seen
This is the most assinine thing I've ever read about live
performances. This is ALMOST the most assinine thing I've ever read
on this NG. When I see a band live I'm not there to just look at
them.
>them live with Blaze, I didn't stand at the back with my arms folded
>going "Ooooh, Blaze Bayley is shit" or "Come back Bruce", I didn't
>listen to him, just jumped around with
>the crowd and screamed my arse off. Don't go by live performances >if
you are there, it's the worst thing you can do.
Worst thing I can do with respect to _what?_
--
Regards,
Tony
Tony Szablowski
>BUT! When you have been to see them live, you realise when your >ears
have gone back to normal, and you are no longer pissed what >a shit
show Blaze puts on. On this tour all he seems to do is scream >"Come
On" to get the crowd going and during Sanctuary, all he has
I've heard boots, Tom, from Blaze's first tour with Maiden up to the
present one. He's gotten better, granted, but not enough to make me
think he's a good singer for Maiden.
--
Regards,
Tony
-Wilkku-
Well Curtis, if you haven't noticed lot's of people in this group seem to think
Bruce as a GOD! He can't do anything wrong. Steve is SHIT, Blaze is SHIT, Janick
is SHIT all the fucking Iron Maiden is complete SHIT! World spins round Mr.
Dickinson.
I'm just waiting Bruce to do a nice pop album now that he has made two metal
albums......... Anything could happen you know!
--
-Wilkku-
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Curtis Rea
>Well Curtis, if you haven't noticed lot's of people in this group seem to
think
>Bruce as a GOD! He can't do anything wrong. Steve is SHIT, Blaze is SHIT,
Janick
>is SHIT all the fucking Iron Maiden is complete SHIT! World spins round Mr.
>Dickinson.
Yeah I've noticed that too. People have to remember that Maiden wasn't just
Bruce...it was and still is a band. I like Bruce with Maiden and solo. I
like Blaze with Maiden and with Wolfsbane.
Curtis
Shiflet
> Yeah I've noticed that too. People have to remember that Maiden wasn't just
> Bruce...it was and still is a band.
That's my problem. Not only does Blaze not fit Maiden's style, the band
doesn't seem particulary inspiring with the past few albums either.
> I like Bruce with Maiden and solo. I
> like Blaze with Maiden and with Wolfsbane.
>
> Curtis
Danny Shiflet
"We plan ahead, that way we don't have to do anything right now"-
Valentine, Tremors
Tokus
think
>Bruce as a GOD! He can't do anything wrong. Steve is SHIT, Blaze is SHIT,
Janick
>is SHIT all the fucking Iron Maiden is complete SHIT! World spins round Mr.
>Dickinson.
yeah you're right about it. isn't that what the Bruce newsgroup is for?
>I'm just waiting Bruce to do a nice pop album now that he has made two
metal
>albums......... Anything could happen you know!
wasn't that his original plan? to make a "brian adams"-like album, but when
he was working on it, he didn't really feel comfortable. Or was that someone
else? I thought I read that in an interview with Bruce some years ago.
cu
Tonnie
Shiflet
>
> yeah you're right about it. isn't that what the Bruce newsgroup is for?
Some of us don't get either group, despite requests to our provider.
Heck, I don't even get the Priest group, much less the Dickinson ones...
> cu
> Tonnie
Tom Fletcher
think
>Bruce as a GOD! He can't do anything wrong. Steve is SHIT, Blaze is SHIT,
Janick
>is SHIT all the fucking Iron Maiden is complete SHIT! World spins round Mr.
>Dickinson.
>
A point about Jannick. He sucks! He is a fucking butcher at his own solos,
let alone anyone elses. Maybe he should leave Maiden and go back to doing
work with Ian Gillan. What would have been funny is if Jannick had played on
Glory Road (I know he didn't). Then we would have a valid reason for calling
Jannick shit.
I don't agree with your Steve comments though. He has turned to stone in the
last few years with his songwriting, and galloping bass, but he will never
be classed as shit.
And yes, BLAZE SUCKS.
This NG does spin round Bruce, so all you Bruce fans, come to
alt.rock-n-roll.metal.bruce-dickinson
and rid yourselves of Blaze and Jannick!!
Tom Fletcher
>Worst thing I can do with respect to _what?_
>--
Well, you were having a good time while you were there, so you may come away
dying to listen to Blaze albums. This is going to affect your judgement of
the band.
Tony Szablowski
>Well, you were having a good time while you were there, so you >may
come away dying to listen to Blaze albums. This is going to >affect
your judgement of the band.
If overall the band sounds good and Blaze sounds decent enough, yes, I
might give, yet, another listen. But I won't come away dying to
listen to Blaze-sung Maiden records. That'll never happen my friend.
I've heard enough of Blaze live to not expect too much from him. He'd
really have to change his whole persona and singing to start winning
me over. I'm not a closed-minded person and I've given him enough
chances to do so but it hasn't happened yet.
--
Regards,
Tony
Claudio C.
better live! I have seen Iron Maiden twice with Blaze and I'm not so
dissapointed. Blaze sings pretty good the Iron maiden ballads, but he really
sucks when it comes to sing the higher tones like in Hallowed by the name!!!
Up the Irons!!!
Tom Fletcher
Hahahahaha. Blaze sings like he is reading the lyrics off a piece of card in
the studio. He has no feeling or emotion in his voice. Live, he sucks too.
All he does is hold the mic in two hands and shout and scream. Blaze would
be excellent in a punk or thrash band.
Tony Szablowski
>All he does is hold the mic in two hands and shout and scream. >Blaze
would be excellent in a punk or thrash band.
True! "Put on your headphones, boys and girls, it's bee-bop time!"
(trivia: who sung that!?)
--
Regards,
Tony
samiam
that his live performances are better that his studio ones.
Too bad there are no decent ones on the net to hear. The
only ones I've found make him sound like an idiot which
gives all the people in here more fuel for the "get rid of
Blaze" fire (no pun intended!)
-samiam
Claudio C. wrote in message
<76c3p2$idi$1...@cubacola.tninet.se>...
>My opinion is that Blaze sings badly in the studio albums,
but he does sing
>better live! I have seen Iron Maiden twice with Blaze and
I'm not so
>dissapointed. Blaze sings pretty good the Iron maiden
ballads, but he really
>sucks when it comes to sing the higher tones like in
Hallowed by the name!!!
>
>Up the Irons!!!
>
>
stephen starkey
but, who the hell is "H"? I keep seeing this
reference in the ng .
It seems to be refering to an ex-guitarist.
I'm guessing Adrian Smith?
What's the connection?
Should'nt it be "A" ...or "S" ?
Someone please enlighten me as to who
H is.
Thanks.
Igor Bratic
>
> Pardon me for asking a dumb question....
> but, who the hell is "H"? I keep seeing this
> reference in the ng .
>
> It seems to be refering to an ex-guitarist.
> I'm guessing Adrian Smith?
> What's the connection?
> Should'nt it be "A" ...or "S" ?
>
Apparently, Brits prounounce first 2 letters of his name, Ad, as H.
Strange if you ask me.
--
Igor
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>stephen starkey wrote:
>
>Apparently, Brits prounounce first 2 letters of his name, Ad, as H.
>Strange if you ask me.
>
Here's one that doesn't! Jesus fucking christ! Try get your tounge round
that!
H-drain?