The reason Blaze Bayley left/was fired from Maiden
Galan Dracos
a good one.
At the time, I'm reading "Run To The Hills" (Iron Maiden's Official
Biography) for the second time, and I now see some parallels in Maiden's
history, that really supports this theory.
Maiden has had many comings and goings of people throughout their
history, I'll only mention the ones most important, to give you all the
facts, before I go through my theory about Blaze at the bottom of this
post.
1980: Dennis Stratton is fired from the band in November or something.
The split is not amicable, and both parts (Maiden and Dennis) still
claim that their part of the story is correct. Dennis really wanted to
be in the band he says, but Steve and Rod didn't like that he used to be
more together with the roadies than with his bandmates, and they also
had a problem with the music he listened to.
It was for the best of Maiden that Dennis was fired, if he had
influenced them with his music-style, it could have been really bad.
Also, we got Adrian because of Dennis' departure, so it really turned
out good.
After he got fired, Dennis said some shitty stuff about Maiden in the
press. As I'll explain later, this, for me at least, proves that his
version is correct. But I also know that it was for the best of Maiden
that he left.
Next to go was Paul Di'Anno. The split was amicable, both Maiden and
Paul agreed that he should go. The reason was because he didn't look
after himself like he should. Because of that, his voice broke down, and
he just didn't care.
Paul never said anything bad about Maiden to the press, like Dennis did.
I think the reason why is because Paul knew he was the only one to
blame.
Following Paul was Clive Burr. It was really the same problem with him.
He just lead a too hard rock'n'roll life and it affected his
performance. Hehe, at one gig, he had this bucket next to his drums,
that he puked in.
He tried to get his act together, but went back to the same thing time
after time.
After the tour (Beast on The Road), he was fired, and the split wasn't
too amicable.
Clive didn't go out and say shit about Maiden either, because he was the
one to blame, like Paul.
Steve says this in the biography: "We always says something like
"musical differences" whenever anyone leaves, but it's more for their
protection than ours. It's enough that they're not in the band anymore,
there's no need to rub it in, you know?"
Adrian was the next to go. The reason for that is a bit difficult to
explain. They had very little time to do NPFTD, and Adrian had used all
of his creative mind with ASAP. At the time they were going in to record
NPFTD, he had no material ready. Also, he had become a bit negative
about stuff, he didn't seem 110% into it, as Maiden wants every member
to be.
He was more or less fired, but the split was amicable in a way. Adrian
couldn't really blame them for their decision, and we've never seen him
say anything bad about Maiden either, as I know of.
Then there is Bruce. Hehe, he said some bad things, didn't he? But that
doesn't mean he was right about the stuff he says, does it? No. We all
know what Bruce is like. He's as stubborn as Steve. Hell, Bruce claims
in the biography that his singing on his last tour (in 1993) with Maiden
was good. Hell no, Bruce! It wasn't good! :)
The split was because of musical differences this time, and the split
was at first amicable, but when Bruce showed that lack of interest in
doing a good performance on the last tour, there's no wonder why Maiden
said some shit about him, and we all know how Bruce can react.
Then, we've finally come to Blaze. Neither Maiden nor Blaze has said
anything about this, really. Why? we ask. Well, as Rod says in the
biography: "No need to kick someone when they're already down".
Blaze haven't said something bad about Maiden either, so I think we can
say that this had just to do with him, not Maiden.
What can the problem have been? Nicko said the following when they were
about to hire Blaze: "Look, I've heard this bloke is a bit of a party
animal, are you sure we're doing the right thing?"
So, this made me guess that Blaze did exactly what Paul and Clive did:
let the rock'n'roll life affect his performance.
I really think this can be the real reason. I don't think he sounded too
bad on The X Factour. Of course he struggled with "The Evil That Men Do"
and other Maiden classics, but who doesn't? (Even Bruce struggled with
them on his not-so-good '93-tour).
I've heard Virtual XI concert-bootlegs, and Blaze really fucks up many
places. Also, they had to cancel some dates because of his voice. I bet
this has something to do with him not taking care of his voice, just
like Paul.
Dave said in an interview that the split was amicable, but Steve said in
the biography that they just said stuff like that no matter what, so I
really think that they gave him a chance to pull his act together, then
he didn't, and they just said "Bollocks!" and threw him out.
Now, isn't that a good theory, or what?
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"Hope is the denial of reality"
- Raistlin Majere -
monsterbas
it is hard to understand the fine details in The Run to the Hills book. For
me the most important part was about Steve's youth. Anyway you bring on a
lot of good points. I add:
I read this month's Guitarist in which Bruce's talking about his singing
technique and about singing in general.He says that as a singer it is more
difficult to put on a good performance. Your voice is subject to various
influences. The weather, draft from open doors, smoke. It is very hard to
give a good singing performance especially when you're doing five gigs a
week. He has quite a lot experience concerning to that, something Blaze
didnt have. That I believe was one of the worries Steve had when they hired
him. Blaze wasnt used to touring a long time and certainly not to that
amount of gigs a week. Being a partyanimal as you said would make it even
harder for him. I have got two bootlegs from the X-factour. Paris 1995 and
Holland 1996. I must admit that he sounds better in 1996 (singing lessons
Steve wanted?). But still he makes mistakes. He already wants to sing while
the rest of the guys are still playing the intro. That sort of mistakes has
nothing to do with his singing,maybe more with his lifestyle as you
said.Could be?!.But then I also have a bootleg of the Vitual XI-tour.Again
he very much sings out of tune (just like Hetfield haha). During Dont Look
To he makes the same mistakes as in Paris 1995. He falls in(?) too early and
it isnt even near to his singing on the album. I had the idea since Holland
1996 that he was improving but then again 2 years later he falls back on his
old repertoire.Also the Virus single isnt one of the best I have to say. The
Lord of the Flies single is better I think. But as a Steve Harris fan sad to
say is and I have to be honest, that in my opinion live Steve mess up his
bass solo of "Blood On...' . Also in the end part of Dont Look.... something
goes wrong as well. If I hear it well Steve again makes mistakes, playing
the wrong notes. I deeply wonder why after so many years of excellent
bassplay Steve sometimes miss out. Coincidentally it's on bootlegs with
Blaze.Maybe Steve was irritated about Blaze's mistakes that he made a few
himself( see him watch and smile on Raising Hell when Janick makes a mistake
on "Afraid to"right before the fast part (Em,D,C). Anyway the exact reason
for Blaze's departure we will never know but we cant be totally wrong.Ave a
good one and keep up the good spirit!!!
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PhanatiX
My reflections to your essay :) is:
I´ve met Blaze twice on the road. He was hanging out on a pub together with
Nicko, and Blaze wasn´t a party animal. He was more a party stopper. He was
drinking a pint of beer. That was all he drank that night, while Nicko drank
more aggressive and heavily.
The second time I met him was backstage after their football game in
Stockholm. He was really laid back at this time too.
So finally, my thoughts about that bloke is that he´s not the guy you´d like
to party with. :)
daverite
I agree with your comments about Dennis, Paul and Clive. Paul screwed up,
plain and simple he had an alcohol problem. The band was on the road to
stardom and he would have held them back. It's probably best for Paul as well,
the follow up tour to Killers, could have literally killed him. He doesn't
seem to hold any ill will toward them, and they don't for him. I would truly
love to see him jump up on stage and do an encore with them sometime. His
material has been spotty, but the man can still sing his ass off.
> Adrian was the next to go. The reason for that is a bit difficult to
> explain. They had very little time to do NPFTD, and Adrian had used all
> of his creative mind with ASAP. At the time they were going in to record
> NPFTD, he had no material ready. Also, he had become a bit negative
> about stuff, he didn't seem 110% into it, as Maiden wants every member
> to be.
> He was more or less fired, but the split was amicable in a way. Adrian
> couldn't really blame them for their decision, and we've never seen him
> say anything bad about Maiden either, as I know of.
I heard there were differences because of the fact that SSOASS was a concept
album, and Adrian was kind of shut out of the songwriting. Adrian also seemed
to be interested in lighter music at the time. It must have been hard for
Adrian, who can sing, play guitar, and write, to take such a back seat during SSOASS.
> Blaze haven't said something bad about Maiden either, so I think we can
> say that this had just to do with him, not Maiden.
> What can the problem have been? Nicko said the following when they were
> about to hire Blaze: "Look, I've heard this bloke is a bit of a party
> animal, are you sure we're doing the right thing?"
>
> So, this made me guess that Blaze did exactly what Paul and Clive did:
> let the rock'n'roll life affect his performance.
I don't agree. I think Maiden got a lot of bad press about Blaze, they thought
they would be more popular with Bruce, Bruce was interested in coming back and
his last two albums showed he was into metal again. All these things came
together, so they sacked Blaze. It doen't seem all that complicated to me.
-Dave
Øyvind Steinsvik
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Johnfwolfe
>From: Galan Dracos dra...@priest.com
>Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 10:56 AM EST
>Message-id: <38873030...@priest.com>
Wow. That's quite a hypothesis. But you went through all that and got
writer's cramp for something that could have been summed up with seven simple
words: "Bruce makes Steve more money than Blaze."
I think I'll go take a dive off the Golden Gate Bridge, if, for no other
reason, than while I'm relaxing on a big puffy cloud and sipping a few mint
juleps with a couple of angels, than to have God drive on over in his 2001 God
Humvee, complete with 4-wheel cloud control (new from General Motors), to read
me your theories behind my date with destiny with gravity. I have a feeling
that heaven might be lacking for entertainment, so I hope you make sure that
Martians are involved. Oh, and Art Modell, too. I hate that guy.
Varios
I have got two bootlegs from the X-factour. Paris 1995 and
I've seen it once before on the Internet. And I must say I really
can't stand that spelling of the x Factor. Since when did it have a
"u" in it? Spell is right please!
B Coolen
>
> I have got two bootlegs from the X-factour. Paris 1995 and
>
> can't stand that spelling of the x Factor. Since when did it have a
> "u" in it? Spell is right please!
He is Varios. The tour in support of The X-Factor was the X-Factour
(bad pun...)
Brian
Varios
B Coolen <bco...@home.com> wrote in article
<3887B1BB...@home.com>...
> Varios wrote:
> >
> > I have got two bootlegs from the X-factour. Paris 1995 and
> >
> > I've seen it once before on the Internet. And I must say I really
> > can't stand that spelling of the x Factor. Since when did it have
a
> > "u" in it? Spell is right please!
>
> He is Varios. The tour in support of The X-Factor was the
X-Factour
> (bad pun...)
>
> Brian
>
Sorry. I still think that spelling sux!
Galan Dracos
>
> B Coolen <bco...@home.com> wrote in article
> <3887B1BB...@home.com>...
> > Varios wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > can't stand that spelling of the x Factor. Since when did it have
> a
> > > "u" in it? Spell is right please!
> >
> > He is Varios. The tour in support of The X-Factor was the
> X-Factour
> > (bad pun...)
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
> Sorry. I still think that spelling sux!
Varios, I rarely spell anything wrong, and certainly not a Maiden album
title.
I said Blaze did fairly good on The X Factour, and I was talking about
the tours, so if I had written "The X Factor", I would be speaking about
the album.
Todd Hodgson
Johnfwolfe wrote in message
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>Wow. That's quite a hypothesis. But you went through all that and got
>writer's cramp for something that could have been summed up with seven
simple
>words: "Bruce makes Steve more money than Blaze."
>
Also, Bruce is capable of singing. Whereas Blaze is always out of key and
has a boring monotonous voice.
Yes, a good singer will make you more money.
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Todd Hodgson
Carleton University
Biochemistry
Email address: thod...@chat.carleton.ca
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Robert R Arvai
Jonathan Mock
> Sorry. I still think that spelling sux!
Or even "sucks".
:-)
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³Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand...²
David Fleming
(Jonathan Mock) wrote:
>From: "Varios" <yles...@cherry.com.au>
>
>
>> Sorry. I still think that spelling sux!
>
>Or even "sucks".
>
>:-)
>
>--
>Jonathan Mock
>
Oi, what you doin here ! You must think I'm stalking you !
See ya back in the Other place !
David
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Varios
>
> Varios, I rarely spell anything wrong, and certainly not a Maiden
album
> title.
>
> I said Blaze did fairly good on The X Factour, and I was talking
about
> the tours, so if I had written "The X Factor", I would be speaking
about
> the album.
>
>
> --
> Galan Dracos
>
Sorry... But you still don't make sense to me!
mark
>>
>Sorry... But you still don't make sense to me!
if you don't have a sense of humour or a feeling for word jokes; don't blame
us. It takes just a little imagination; and we shouldn't quarrell about
those word details. But still thanks for reading and reacting.
It's fantabulous to read all the involvement for this band!
'hope is the denial of reality,
but humour makes it bearable'
greetings,
Mark
Forostar
He didn't drink much to spare his voice. Like every singer does to
protect his/her voice.
Forostar
"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
- A. Smith, 1986 -
What Green Scar
Tom Fletcher
For Blaze being a party animal, this is from memory, but its pretty
accurate,
I once read in an interview with Blaze about one time when he was in
Wolfsbane when they were coming back from Ireland to England. He says they
started drinking in Ireland, go on the ferry, they drunk the bar dry of
Guiness on the boat, hit the pubs as soon as they got back to England, and
then nicked a motorbike and were driving round dangerously for hours into
the morning. Then he says he slept for days.
In the same interview, Blaze admitted to getting so pissed up once he walked
upto a guy playing pool in a bar, grabbed he guys arse and shouted "I'm
going to fuck you up the arse boy!"
Blaze has boasted before about his love for Guiness. That is really a way
for a singer to look after his voice? Getting fucked up every night? Not
unless he wants to sound like Lemmy.
--
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletcher11.free-online.co.uk
Total Eclipse
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Johnfwolfe
>From: "Tom Fletcher" t...@fletcher11.free-online.co.uk
>That is a good theory.
>
>For Blaze being a party animal, this is from memory, but its pretty accurate,
I once read in an interview with Blaze about one time when he was in
>Wolfsbane when they were coming back from Ireland to England. He says they
>started drinking in Ireland, go on the ferry, they drunk the bar dry of
>Guiness on the boat, hit the pubs as soon as they got back to England, and
>then nicked a motorbike and were driving round dangerously for hours into
>the morning. Then he says he slept for days.
>
>In the same interview, Blaze admitted to getting so pissed up once he walked
>upto a guy playing pool in a bar, grabbed he guys arse and shouted "I'm
>going to fuck you up the arse boy!"
Blaze has boasted before about his love for Guiness. That is really a way
for a singer to look after his voice? Getting fucked up every night? Not
unless he wants to sound like Lemmy.
It's a good theory. It's also nonsense. If constantly getting drunk off your
ass was a reason to be kicked out of a band, then Dickinson would have been
canned in 1982. Actually, everybody in that band has worn a few lampshades at
one time or another.
If Blaze had a voice like a young Lucille Ball, but the albums sold millions of
copies, do you seriously think that anybody in the band or the record company
would have given a rat's ass if Harris pretended to be Ricky Ricardo and
constantly yelled in a heavy Cuban accent, "LUCYYYYYYYYY......I'MMMM
HOME......" before, during and after every show?
These theories are ridiculous. It all comes down to dollars, cents, pounds,
shillings, and whatever else you wacky English use as currency.
Jonathan Mock
> It's a good theory. It's also nonsense. If constantly getting drunk off your
> ass was a reason to be kicked out of a band, then Dickinson would have been
> canned in 1982. Actually, everybody in that band has worn a few lampshades at
> one time or another.
>
> If Blaze had a voice like a young Lucille Ball, but the albums sold
> millions of
> copies, do you seriously think that anybody in the band or the record company
> would have given a rat's ass if Harris pretended to be Ricky Ricardo and
> constantly yelled in a heavy Cuban accent, "LUCYYYYYYYYY......I'MMMM
> HOME......" before, during and after every show?
>
> These theories are ridiculous. It all comes down to dollars, cents, pounds,
> shillings, and whatever else you wacky English use as currency.
Yes, us wacky English with our wacky, heavy metal bands like Maiden...
Dean
> > These theories are ridiculous. It all comes down to dollars, cents,
pounds,
> > shillings, and whatever else you wacky English use as currency.
>
> Yes, us wacky English with our wacky, heavy metal bands like Maiden...
And our wacky English dollars ... ;)
Dean C ... (not English .. oops)
Tom Fletcher
magazine somewhere.
No-one beside Maiden knows why Blaze left or was fired from Maiden, but
someone must have a good idea why he isn't with them anymore.
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> It's a good theory. It's also nonsense. If constantly getting drunk off
your
> ass was a reason to be kicked out of a band, then Dickinson would have
been
> canned in 1982. Actually, everybody in that band has worn a few
lampshades at
> one time or another.
>
> If Blaze had a voice like a young Lucille Ball, but the albums sold
millions of
> copies, do you seriously think that anybody in the band or the record
company
> would have given a rat's ass if Harris pretended to be Ricky Ricardo and
> constantly yelled in a heavy Cuban accent, "LUCYYYYYYYYY......I'MMMM
> HOME......" before, during and after every show?
>
Øyvind Steinsvik
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>These theories are ridiculous. It all comes down to dollars, cents,
pounds,
>shillings, and whatever else you wacky English use as currency.
>
How do you know?
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Todd Hodgson
Tom Fletcher wrote in message ...
>>No-one beside Maiden knows why Blaze left or was fired from Maiden, but
>someone must have a good idea why he isn't with them anymore.
I know why he was fired, it's because he sucked.
Tokus
Todd Hodgson <thod...@chat.carleton.ca> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Vacuum cleaners suck, that's for sure (well, when they're plugged in and
turned on). as for singers who suck at singing, that's just an opinion.
cu
Tonnie
Johnfwolfe
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>>These theories are ridiculous. It all comes down to dollars, cents, pounds,
shillings, and whatever else you wacky English use as currency.
>Øyvind Steinsvik" stei...@c2i.net wrote:
>How do you know?
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These types of questions are nonsense. I don't "know". Not to get too
philosophical here, but how does any jury "know"? You put two and two
together, and, nine times out of ten, it equals four.
SKlein69
and going to bring Metal back where it should be.
" Some cunt recording this" Steve Harris --- Mission From Arry
Tony Szablowski
>Who care why he was fired. Just enjoy that the real Maiden is back and
kick ass
>and going to bring Metal back where it should be.
I guess some people just wanna know. I agree with you. I couldn't give a
rat's ass WHY, I'm just happy as hell as that da'boys are back. And
judging by the Ed Hunter Tour, in fine form.
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Regards,
Tony
Øyvind Steinsvik
say it IS noncece, not that you THINK it's noncence.
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Örjan Friberg
except that he "thinks" it's nonsense? I mean, what would be the difference
between Johnwolfe saying "it is nonsense" and "I think it's nonsense"? It's like
adding all those IMO, IMHO and IMnsHO. Of course a statement like that is
opinion, what that person "thinks"! I don't think Johnwolfe was trying to
establish what he said as an indesputable fact even though he left out that he
"thinks" it's nonsense. Not meaning to slag you off, Öyvind, but this reminds me
of people who "argue" by saying "Well, that's only your opinion!" That's by no
means enough to disregard from it, damn it! Ok, I'll shut up now.
Cheers,
..
Orjan
Johnfwolfe
>Hi, sorry to interfere in your discussion, but what could he possibly mean
except that he "thinks" it's nonsense? I mean, what would be the difference
>between Johnwolfe saying "it is nonsense" and "I think it's nonsense"? It's
like adding all those IMO, IMHO and IMnsHO. Of course a statement like that is
>opinion, what that person "thinks"! I don't think Johnwolfe was trying to
establish what he said as an indesputable fact even though he left out that
>he "thinks" it's nonsense. Not meaning to slag you off, Öyvind, but this
reminds me of people who "argue" by saying "Well, that's only your opinion!"
That's by no means enough to disregard from it, damn it! Ok, I'll shut up now.
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Of course you're right, but some people are *way* more touchy than others.
When people are qualifying their opinions by saying IMO, IMHO, and all that
other ridiculous stuff, it is just a preventive measure, a kind of Internet
body armor, in trying to cushion the blow from some fans who take their hobby
just a little too seriously, and, in U.S.-speak, just might "go postal". (In
case you didn't know, postal workers in this country have an odd little quirk
which causes them, at least once a year, to go totally nuts and on a wild
shooting spree).
Dion Christopher Rideout
O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze. Mine
is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To The Eyes
Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his best. I
never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from? Thanks.
UP THE FUCKING IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dion
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Glenn
<v69...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
> O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze. Mine
>is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To The Eyes
>Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his best. I
>never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from? Thanks.
I like a good number of the tracks from X Factor and Virtual XI, it's hard
to pick one. But I'll go for The Clansman in a close race with a few others.
Now if you were asking what song we thought he sounded best on, ie. what our
fave Blaze vocals are, I'd probably say Como Estais Amigos, although The
Clansman would also rate highly there too.
Glenn
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> O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze. Mine
>is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To The Eyes
>Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his best. I
>never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from? Thanks.
Futureal, probably. And just to get flamed I say that I like Como Estais
Amigos a lot, too.
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Glenn <nm...@remove.this.ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
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> On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:00:12 -0330, Dion Christopher Rideout
> <v69...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
>
> > O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze.
Mine
> >is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To
The Eyes
> >Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his
best. I
> >never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from?
Thanks.
>
> I like a good number of the tracks from X Factor and Virtual XI,
it's hard
> to pick one. But I'll go for The Clansman in a close race with a
few others.
> Now if you were asking what song we thought he sounded best on, ie.
what our
> fave Blaze vocals are, I'd probably say Como Estais Amigos,
although The
> Clansman would also rate highly there too.
>
> Glenn
I would have to say that Judgement Day sounds a lot like "Man On The
Edge" except a bit more depressing sounding.
I reckon the best Blaze tunes would be Sign Of The Cross, Man On The
Edge, Lord Of The Flies, Futereal, No More Tears, and Educated Fool.
It is hard to say if you want to narrow it down. Is that an alright
answer saying that many songs?
DC
-DC
Dion Christopher Rideout wrote:
>
> O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze. Mine
> is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To The Eyes
> Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his best. I
> never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from? Thanks.
>
Mark Allen
Mark
jel...@mindspring.com
factor to make on 60 minute album, then what would we have?
On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:03:13 GMT, "Varios" <yles...@cherry.com.au>
wrote:
>
>
>Glenn <nm...@remove.this.ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
><389664bc...@news.wgtn.ihug.co.nz>...
>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:00:12 -0330, Dion Christopher Rideout
>> <v69...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > O.K. everybody, what's your favorite Maiden tune with Blaze.
>Mine
>> >is prabably "Sign Of The Cross", but I also love "Don't Look To
>The Eyes
>> >Of A Stranger". Also, many people say "Judgement Day" is his
>best. I
>> >never heard it before. What's it like, and where is it from?
>Thanks.
>>
Glenn
>Yeah but why not just say we combine enough songs from virtual iX an X
>factor to make on 60 minute album, then what would we have?
We've have a great album.
I haven't worked out the times but the following would have to be included:
Futureal
The Clansman
Como Estais Amigos
Look For The Truth
The Aftermath
Judgement Of Heaven
Unbeliever
that would leave room for about 2 or 3 more I reckon, which could be any of:
Educated Fool
2am
Blood On The Worlds Hands
The Edge Of Darkness
When Two Worlds Collide.
I don't think overly much of the first 3 or 4 tracks on X Factor so they
haven't been included at all.
Varios
jel...@mindspring.com wrote in article
<3897aa4...@news.mindspring.com>...
> Yeah but why not just say we combine enough songs from virtual iX
an X
> factor to make on 60 minute album, then what would we have?
>
Yeah, I guess so. That is editing, editing, editing!
Varios
Glenn <nm...@remove.this.ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
<3897b3c5...@news.wgtn.ihug.co.nz>...
> On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:54:28 GMT, jel...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> >Yeah but why not just say we combine enough songs from virtual iX
an X
> >factor to make on 60 minute album, then what would we have?
>
> We've have a great album.
> I haven't worked out the times but the following would have to be
included:
> Futureal
> The Clansman
> Como Estais Amigos
> Look For The Truth
> The Aftermath
> Judgement Of Heaven
> Unbeliever
>
> that would leave room for about 2 or 3 more I reckon, which could
be any of:
> Educated Fool
> 2am
> Blood On The Worlds Hands
> The Edge Of Darkness
> When Two Worlds Collide.
>
> I don't think overly much of the first 3 or 4 tracks on X Factor so
they
> haven't been included at all.
>
> Glenn
Man, I agree with a lot of your choices, but those 1st 3 songs,
atleast, on the X Factor are outstanding!!! Justice Of The Peace
would be good to put on the album too.
Ziniukas
> The Clansman!
agreed
---------------------------------------------
I just want you to see your blood
I just want you to stand and stare
(Iron Maiden)
SM...@nospam.com
>Yeah but why not just say we combine enough songs from virtual iX an X
>factor to make on 60 minute album, then what would we have?
>
The thing which also needs some mentioning is that with the quality of
the X-Factor b-sides(Judgement Day and I Live My Way are on a lot of
top Blaze era lists), what about the 1/2 album(or so) of songs Iron
Maiden said they had done at the time, none of the b-sides were studio
songs. If these were as good as the X-Factor b-sides these might be
the best of the bunch.
shaun baker
2/2/00
SKlein69
Ziniukas
SKlein69 <skle...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> First I must say that this is a theory I came up with myself, but it is
> a good one.
>
>
> At the time, I'm reading "Run To The Hills" (Iron Maiden's Official
> Biography) for the second time, and I now see some parallels in Maiden's
> history, that really supports this theory.
>
>
> Maiden has had many comings and goings of people throughout their
> history, I'll only mention the ones most important, to give you all the
> facts, before I go through my theory about Blaze at the bottom of this
> post.
>
>
> 1980: Dennis Stratton is fired from the band in November or something.
> The split is not amicable, and both parts (Maiden and Dennis) still
> claim that their part of the story is correct. Dennis really wanted to
> be in the band he says, but Steve and Rod didn't like that he used to be
> more together with the roadies than with his bandmates, and they also
> had a problem with the music he listened to.
>
> It was for the best of Maiden that Dennis was fired, if he had
> influenced them with his music-style, it could have been really bad.
> Also, we got Adrian because of Dennis' departure, so it really turned
> out good.
>
> After he got fired, Dennis said some shitty stuff about Maiden in the
> press. As I'll explain later, this, for me at least, proves that his
> version is correct. But I also know that it was for the best of Maiden
> that he left.
>
>
> Next to go was Paul Di'Anno. The split was amicable, both Maiden and
> Paul agreed that he should go. The reason was because he didn't look
> after himself like he should. Because of that, his voice broke down, and
> he just didn't care.
> Paul never said anything bad about Maiden to the press, like Dennis did.
> I think the reason why is because Paul knew he was the only one to
> blame.
>
>
> Following Paul was Clive Burr. It was really the same problem with him.
> He just lead a too hard rock'n'roll life and it affected his
> performance. Hehe, at one gig, he had this bucket next to his drums,
> that he puked in.
> He tried to get his act together, but went back to the same thing time
> after time.
> After the tour (Beast on The Road), he was fired, and the split wasn't
> too amicable.
>
> Clive didn't go out and say shit about Maiden either, because he was the
> one to blame, like Paul.
>
> Steve says this in the biography: "We always says something like
> "musical differences" whenever anyone leaves, but it's more for their
> protection than ours. It's enough that they're not in the band anymore,
> there's no need to rub it in, you know?"
>
>
> Adrian was the next to go. The reason for that is a bit difficult to
> explain. They had very little time to do NPFTD, and Adrian had used all
> of his creative mind with ASAP. At the time they were going in to record
> NPFTD, he had no material ready. Also, he had become a bit negative
> about stuff, he didn't seem 110% into it, as Maiden wants every member
> to be.
> He was more or less fired, but the split was amicable in a way. Adrian
> couldn't really blame them for their decision, and we've never seen him
> say anything bad about Maiden either, as I know of.
>
>
> Then there is Bruce. Hehe, he said some bad things, didn't he? But that
> doesn't mean he was right about the stuff he says, does it? No. We all
> know what Bruce is like. He's as stubborn as Steve. Hell, Bruce claims
> in the biography that his singing on his last tour (in 1993) with Maiden
> was good. Hell no, Bruce! It wasn't good! :)
> The split was because of musical differences this time, and the split
> was at first amicable, but when Bruce showed that lack of interest in
> doing a good performance on the last tour, there's no wonder why Maiden
> said some shit about him, and we all know how Bruce can react.
>
>
> Then, we've finally come to Blaze. Neither Maiden nor Blaze has said
> anything about this, really. Why? we ask. Well, as Rod says in the
> biography: "No need to kick someone when they're already down".
>
> Blaze haven't said something bad about Maiden either, so I think we can
> say that this had just to do with him, not Maiden.
> What can the problem have been? Nicko said the following when they were
> about to hire Blaze: "Look, I've heard this bloke is a bit of a party
> animal, are you sure we're doing the right thing?"
>
> So, this made me guess that Blaze did exactly what Paul and Clive did:
> let the rock'n'roll life affect his performance.
>
> I really think this can be the real reason. I don't think he sounded too
> bad on The X Factour. Of course he struggled with "The Evil That Men Do"
> and other Maiden classics, but who doesn't? (Even Bruce struggled with
> them on his not-so-good '93-tour).
>
> I've heard Virtual XI concert-bootlegs, and Blaze really fucks up many
> places. Also, they had to cancel some dates because of his voice. I bet
> this has something to do with him not taking care of his voice, just
> like Paul.
>
> Dave said in an interview that the split was amicable, but Steve said in
> the biography that they just said stuff like that no matter what, so I
> really think that they gave him a chance to pull his act together, then
> he didn't, and they just said "Bollocks!" and threw him out.
>
>
>
> Now, isn't that a good theory, or what?
>
> --
> Galan Dracos
>
> "Hope is the denial of reality"
> - Raistlin Majere -
On Thursday, 20 January 2000 10:00:00 UTC+2, Galan Dracos wrote:
> First I must say that this is a theory I came up with myself, but it is
> a good one.
>
>
> At the time, I'm reading "Run To The Hills" (Iron Maiden's Official
> Biography) for the second time, and I now see some parallels in Maiden's
> history, that really supports this theory.
>
>
> Maiden has had many comings and goings of people throughout their
> history, I'll only mention the ones most important, to give you all the
> facts, before I go through my theory about Blaze at the bottom of this
> post.
>
>
> 1980: Dennis Stratton is fired from the band in November or something.
> The split is not amicable, and both parts (Maiden and Dennis) still
> claim that their part of the story is correct. Dennis really wanted to
> be in the band he says, but Steve and Rod didn't like that he used to be
> more together with the roadies than with his bandmates, and they also
> had a problem with the music he listened to.
>
> It was for the best of Maiden that Dennis was fired, if he had
> influenced them with his music-style, it could have been really bad.
> Also, we got Adrian because of Dennis' departure, so it really turned
> out good.
>
> After he got fired, Dennis said some shitty stuff about Maiden in the
> press. As I'll explain later, this, for me at least, proves that his
> version is correct. But I also know that it was for the best of Maiden
> that he left.
>
>
> Next to go was Paul Di'Anno. The split was amicable, both Maiden and
> Paul agreed that he should go. The reason was because he didn't look
> after himself like he should. Because of that, his voice broke down, and
> he just didn't care.
> Paul never said anything bad about Maiden to the press, like Dennis did.
> I think the reason why is because Paul knew he was the only one to
> blame.
>
>
> Following Paul was Clive Burr. It was really the same problem with him.
> He just lead a too hard rock'n'roll life and it affected his
> performance. Hehe, at one gig, he had this bucket next to his drums,
> that he puked in.
> He tried to get his act together, but went back to the same thing time
> after time.
> After the tour (Beast on The Road), he was fired, and the split wasn't
> too amicable.
>
> Clive didn't go out and say shit about Maiden either, because he was the
> one to blame, like Paul.
>
> Steve says this in the biography: "We always says something like
> "musical differences" whenever anyone leaves, but it's more for their
> protection than ours. It's enough that they're not in the band anymore,
> there's no need to rub it in, you know?"
>
>
> Adrian was the next to go. The reason for that is a bit difficult to
> explain. They had very little time to do NPFTD, and Adrian had used all
> of his creative mind with ASAP. At the time they were going in to record
> NPFTD, he had no material ready. Also, he had become a bit negative
> about stuff, he didn't seem 110% into it, as Maiden wants every member
> to be.
> He was more or less fired, but the split was amicable in a way. Adrian
> couldn't really blame them for their decision, and we've never seen him
> say anything bad about Maiden either, as I know of.
>
>
> Then there is Bruce. Hehe, he said some bad things, didn't he? But that
> doesn't mean he was right about the stuff he says, does it? No. We all
> know what Bruce is like. He's as stubborn as Steve. Hell, Bruce claims
> in the biography that his singing on his last tour (in 1993) with Maiden
> was good. Hell no, Bruce! It wasn't good! :)
> The split was because of musical differences this time, and the split
> was at first amicable, but when Bruce showed that lack of interest in
> doing a good performance on the last tour, there's no wonder why Maiden
> said some shit about him, and we all know how Bruce can react.
>
>
> Then, we've finally come to Blaze. Neither Maiden nor Blaze has said
> anything about this, really. Why? we ask. Well, as Rod says in the
> biography: "No need to kick someone when they're already down".
>
> Blaze haven't said something bad about Maiden either, so I think we can
> say that this had just to do with him, not Maiden.
> What can the problem have been? Nicko said the following when they were
> about to hire Blaze: "Look, I've heard this bloke is a bit of a party
> animal, are you sure we're doing the right thing?"
>
> So, this made me guess that Blaze did exactly what Paul and Clive did:
> let the rock'n'roll life affect his performance.
>
> I really think this can be the real reason. I don't think he sounded too
> bad on The X Factour. Of course he struggled with "The Evil That Men Do"
> and other Maiden classics, but who doesn't? (Even Bruce struggled with
> them on his not-so-good '93-tour).
>
> I've heard Virtual XI concert-bootlegs, and Blaze really fucks up many
> places. Also, they had to cancel some dates because of his voice. I bet
> this has something to do with him not taking care of his voice, just
> like Paul.
>
> Dave said in an interview that the split was amicable, but Steve said in
> the biography that they just said stuff like that no matter what, so I
> really think that they gave him a chance to pull his act together, then
> he didn't, and they just said "Bollocks!" and threw him out.
>
>
>
> Now, isn't that a good theory, or what?
>
> --
> Galan Dracos
>
> "Hope is the denial of reality"
> - Raistlin Majere -
The point people have made that everyone in Maiden is a tosspot at times is irrelevant. Bruce Dickinson was originally sacked not because he stuck it away, but because he let it spoil his game. He was shying off high notes and he only seemed to try at all at the bigger venues.
Bruce protested to Steve that Nicko stuck away easily as much as him, but Steve responded that as long as Nicko continued to give 110% at gigs, he, Steve, didn't give a flying one what he did in his spare time.
Now, I have just seen a live cut on YouTube of Iron Maiden murdering The Trooper with Blaze at the mike. Maiden are legendarily tight as a band, but in this they're all over the place. And Blaze is, too. He sounds like an old drunk at a karaoke. It's embarrassing. That is just not Iron Maiden.
Fast forward to Flight 666 and the same song, and the band are back to their scintillating best. Bruce has definitely got his mojo back, and he's cracking out the screams and the soaring operatic highs on every song, each of which is in a different venue. And the band are as slick as greased liquid helium II. Blaze not only sounded awful live, he was affecting the rest of the band