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What do Blaze likers think of Bruces solo stuff?

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Tom Fletcher

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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It is possible to like both Bruce and Blaze, but for the majority of people
on this NG, I have noticed that the Blaze dislikers seem to like Bruce as a
solo artist. What is it like for people who like Blaze as a vocalist?

--
Tom Fletcher
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"Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
Bruce Dickinson

"You haunt me, you taunt me
You torture me back at your lair"
Steve Harris

Curtis Rea

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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>It is possible to like both Bruce and Blaze, but for the majority of people
>on this NG, I have noticed that the Blaze dislikers seem to like Bruce as a
>solo artist. What is it like for people who like Blaze as a vocalist?


I like Blaze and I think Bruce's solo albums are great. Don't care for
Tattooed Millionaire though (and I haven't heard Skunkworks). That's why I
have always said now I have two great bands to listen to instead of just
one.

Curtis

Tokus

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Tom Fletcher heeft geschreven in bericht
<75tos9$k4t$9...@newnews.global.net.uk>...

>It is possible to like both Bruce and Blaze, but for the majority of people
>on this NG, I have noticed that the Blaze dislikers seem to like Bruce as a
>solo artist. What is it like for people who like Blaze as a vocalist?


I have some of Bruce's solo stuff, and I think it's very good. I bought
Tatooed Millionaire when it first came out (after listening to it of course)
and I still put that on when I want a bit of laid-back rock 'n' roll. I
never really got tired of it. But I think Accident of Birth is his best
solo album that I have. Chemical wedding is also pretty good too, but just
not as good as AOB IMO.

cu
Tonnie

Peter R. Cook

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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Tom Fletcher wrote:
>
> It is possible to like both Bruce and Blaze, but for the majority of people
> on this NG, I have noticed that the Blaze dislikers seem to like Bruce as a
> solo artist. What is it like for people who like Blaze as a vocalist?

I like Blaze, and I like Bruce's solo stuff too. For
me Blaze is the next logical step for Maiden. If Steve
would get back to fast driving complex bass lines it
would be even better.

Bruce on his own is great. RoyZ is starting to get
predictable though. I think Bruce and Adrian should get
more songs on the CDs. Their song writing now is much better
than when they where in Maiden (example: Bruce's later
stuff after Seventh Son).

I just like both for what they're worth. Calling someone a
fat bastard is funny but not when you're serious about it.

-Peter

Mike

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On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:44:18 -0500, "Peter R. Cook"
<cook...@ultranet.com> wrote:

>I like Blaze, and I like Bruce's solo stuff too. For
> me Blaze is the next logical step for Maiden. If Steve
> would get back to fast driving complex bass lines it
> would be even better.


What, In your opinion, would have been the next illogical step for
Maiden?

Peter R. Cook

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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To get another operatic singer when such styles are
completely out. To get another uppity stuck-up, thinks
he's god singer. To get another singer that would try to
be exactly like Bruce.

-Peter

strangeworld

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:44:18 -0500, "Peter R. Cook"
<cook...@ultranet.com> wrote:

> Bruce on his own is great. RoyZ is starting to get
> predictable though. I think Bruce and Adrian should get
> more songs on the CDs. Their song writing now is much better
> than when they where in Maiden (example: Bruce's later
> stuff after Seventh Son).

I agree. Although RoyZ is fine - great, even - I thought that Bruce
would have served himself better if he'd taken a bigger step forward
after AOB, as AOB had been a huge step from Skunkworks (although I
tend to prefer Skunkworks over AOB, depending on my moods).

It'd also be nice for Bruce and Adrian to write an *entire* album
together. Adrian still remains a largely untapped talent, as far as
Bruce's records go - how many songs have they written on AOB and CW
combined? Five?

A true Bruce&H album would be to die for.

The Educated Fool

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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I like Blaze’s stuff with Iron Maiden, and I think Bruce’s solo albums
are absolutely brilliant, particularly his latest two. So far, I only
have Balls To Picasso, Accident of Birth, and The Chemical Wedding. I
may get the other two, particularly Skunkworks (after hearing so many
good things about it on this NG). The Chemical Wedding is definitely
the best album of the year (yes, better than Virtual XI, though I still
think that album is cool). I am starting to like The Chemical Wedding
more than Accident of Birth even. I just hope that on the next album,
there are more Dickinson/Smith songs. “Road To Hell” is oh so much
better than the last Maiden Dickinson/Smith song (“Hooks In You”).

Tom Fletcher wrote:
>
> It is possible to like both Bruce and Blaze, but for the majority of people
> on this NG, I have noticed that the Blaze dislikers seem to like Bruce as a
> solo artist. What is it like for people who like Blaze as a vocalist?
>

> --
> Tom Fletcher
> t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
>
> "Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
> Bruce Dickinson
>
> "You haunt me, you taunt me
> You torture me back at your lair"
> Steve Harris

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-Wilkku-

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Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
how would he sing that song???

--
-Wilkku-

villemat...@kolumbus.fi
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bill Tsamis

Igor Bratic

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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-Wilkku- wrote:
>
> Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> how would he sing that song???

Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.
--
Igor

Visit my Iron Maiden Rare Sounds Archive for B-Sides at:
http://members.tripod.com/~in_his_hands/index.html

Now I am cold but a ghost -- lives in my veins,
Silent the terror that reigned -- marbled in stone.
Shell of a man God preserved -- a thousand ages,
But open the gates of my Hell -- I will strike from the grave.

Tokus

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Igor Bratic heeft geschreven in bericht <3683E5...@home.com>...

>-Wilkku- wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The
Clansman? IMO
>> it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in
Maiden,
>> how would he sing that song???
>
>Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
>that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.


well, I doubt that. If they ever do a reunion, they will probably play all
their best songs, and if Bruce likes some of the tracks that were recorded
after he left, then why wouldn't he sing them? If he wouldn't then his ego
would be as big as you think Steve's ego is.

cu
Tonnie

Igor Bratic

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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Did Ozzy sing Dio's songs after he came back, did Ian sing Coverdale's
songs? You only sing the songs that were written before you came and
while you're in band, everyone knows that. It's not the ego.

Tom Fletcher

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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I guess I only like The Clansman because it is loosely based on the film
Braveheart, which is a good film. The lyrics are OK, but the music is not
good. I don't like this song live, especially with that slow intro. The
music suits the song, but just after listening to TAATG, and LST, i'd give
it a miss. Even though I don't like VXI, the best song has got to be
Futureal. It is short, and fast. Not a perfect song by far, but the only one
I can listen to.
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk

"Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
Bruce Dickinson

"You haunt me, you taunt me
You torture me back at your lair"
Steve Harris

-Wilkku- wrote in message <3683CBC8...@kolumbus.fi>...


>Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The
Clansman? IMO
>it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in
Maiden,
>how would he sing that song???
>

Paul Enzenhofer

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Dec 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/26/98
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I think Clansman is an exception. Cut out some of the repetitious stuff
and get Bruce wailing on the mike... sound pretty cool I'd say.

On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Igor Bratic wrote:

> -Wilkku- wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> > it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> > how would he sing that song???
>

> Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
> that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.

> --
> Igor
>
> Visit my Iron Maiden Rare Sounds Archive for B-Sides at:
> http://members.tripod.com/~in_his_hands/index.html
>
> Now I am cold but a ghost -- lives in my veins,
> Silent the terror that reigned -- marbled in stone.
> Shell of a man God preserved -- a thousand ages,
> But open the gates of my Hell -- I will strike from the grave.
>
>

_______________________________________________________________________________
"..and realise you're living in the golden years"
- A. Smith -


Peter R. Cook

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Dec 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/26/98
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Igor Bratic wrote:
>
> -Wilkku- wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> > it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> > how would he sing that song???
>
> Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
> that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.

Really, when did you ask him?

-Peter

Curtis Rea

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>Did Ozzy sing Dio's songs after he came back, did Ian sing Coverdale's
>songs? You only sing the songs that were written before you came and
>while you're in band, everyone knows that. It's not the ego.


It is 100% ego!! What singer wants to come back into a band and admit they
released killer material without him? Besides some artists play the music
that was written while they gone from the band. I can only think of two at
the moment: Danny Joe Brown of Molly Hatchet always performed Beatin' The
Odds live (he wasn't on the album), and Joe Perry played music off Rock in a
Hard Place (hell, Steven Tyler even included a Perry solo song on the Done
With Mirrors album).

Curtis


Igor Bratic

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Dec 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/26/98
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Remember Ozzy, Ian? If Bruce comes back for a reunion tour they'll
proabably play a setlist similar to 1988 one with some additions. He's
not gonna do Blaze stuff. None of the better known singers did
something like that.

Igor Bratic

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Dec 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/26/98
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Are you trying to compare Bruce era stuff with Blaze era stuff? He
could choose between about 50 killer songs like Caught Somewhere in
Time, NOTB, The Trooper, Infinite Dreams and so on and he's gonna sing
song off Virtual or X-Factor. That has nothing to do with ego. It's
called taking good stuff over crap. Besides, Steve would have to
completely re-write a song if Bruce was gonna sing it.

Curtis Rea

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>> >Did Ozzy sing Dio's songs after he came back, did Ian sing Coverdale's
>> >songs? You only sing the songs that were written before you came and
>> >while you're in band, everyone knows that. It's not the ego.
>>
>> It is 100% ego!! What singer wants to come back into a band and admit
they
>> released killer material without him? Besides some artists play the
music
>> that was written while they gone from the band. I can only think of two
at
>> the moment: Danny Joe Brown of Molly Hatchet always performed Beatin'
The
>> Odds live (he wasn't on the album), and Joe Perry played music off Rock
in a
>> Hard Place (hell, Steven Tyler even included a Perry solo song on the
Done
>> With Mirrors album).
>
>Are you trying to compare Bruce era stuff with Blaze era stuff? He
>could choose between about 50 killer songs like Caught Somewhere in
>Time, NOTB, The Trooper, Infinite Dreams and so on and he's gonna sing
>song off Virtual or X-Factor. That has nothing to do with ego. It's
>called taking good stuff over crap. Besides, Steve would have to
>completely re-write a song if Bruce was gonna sing it.


Do you not read what you write!?! This isn't about Blaze vs Bruce, but the
fact that musicians don't play others music due to egos. Black Sabbath
released awesome music with Dio and Purple did the same with Coverdale, the
reason Ozzy and Ian don't sing these songs though is because of the reasons
I stated earlier. Whether you like Maiden's music with Blaze, whether it is
popular or not, doesn't really matter. Whey would Bruce play this music and
admit to others that it is good?

Curtis

PS - Using your earlier logic, that would mean if Paul rejoined Maiden he
would only be allowed to sing songs off the first two albums!! "You only


sing the songs that were written before you came and

while you're in band, everyone knows that,"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

-Wilkku-

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Igor Bratic wrote:

> -Wilkku- wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> > it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> > how would he sing that song???
>
> Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
> that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.

Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few tracks
from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are good songs
in Blaze albums.

Allthought this depends on a small thing. Is Bruce going to make a reunion tour or is
he going to JOIN in the band again. If they do just a reunion tour, they propably
going to do just the classics. But if Bruce is going to write a new album with Maiden
and going to tour after that, I think their gonna do some Blaze material.

--
-Wilkku-

villemat...@kolumbus.fi
ICQ = 12216778
NP: Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast

Igor Bratic

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-Wilkku- wrote:
>
> Igor Bratic wrote:
>
> > -Wilkku- wrote:
> > >
> > > Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> > > it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> > > how would he sing that song???
> >
> > Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
> > that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.
>
> Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few tracks
> from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are good songs
> in Blaze albums.

Compared to stuff on NOTB and PoM, there are no, NO good tracks on Blaze
albums. Besides, you think Steve would play The Tower, or Road to Hell?
Hell no.

Igor Bratic

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Dec 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/26/98
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You just don;t get it. Blaze's tracks are really weak. He could pick
25 awesome tracks to do. He's not gonna do Blaze stuff, that's a rule,
everyone knows that.

Tony Szablowski

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <368569...@home.com>...

>Compared to stuff on NOTB and PoM, there are no, NO good >tracks on
Blaze albums. Besides, you think Steve would play The >Tower, or
Road to Hell? Hell no.


I think that that would be one byline in the contract if Bruce ever
did come back. Maiden would play at least one Bruce Dickinson song,
_other_ than "Bring You Daughter..." And just as I would think that
would happen, I also believe Bruce would _definitely_ have to sing at
least one or two Blaze-sung songs. But I just don't see it happening
anytime soon, if ever, where Bruce will rejoin Iron Maiden for another
studio album. Maybe a tour(though I highly doubt that as well) or
one-off anniversary gig, but another studio album? That's a longshot.
--
Regards,
Tony

Shiflet

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Hue Jass wrote:
>
> I like Maiden mainly for Harris' galloping-energetic bassplaying and his
> epic-edgy-prog-technical songs. Maiden combines aggressive and progressive
> in an unique way. Dickinson doesn't.

Unfortunately, they lost that combination pretty much after LAD. SiT and
SS had a few tracks, but not many...

> Better production and more fluff.... but not much prog-depth songwriting.

But, the songwriting on the last few Maiden efforts haven't had *any* of
that.

> So, it depends on your tastes... there are a lot of Maiden fans who don't
> like Maiden for the same reasons as me (they're one of those bands that you
> can appreciate on many different levels) who are going to like Dickinson
> better than new Maiden because aggressive is more important than progressive
> to them.

I much prefer progressive. That's why I like Helloween, King
Diamond/Mercyful Fate, HammerFall, and that sort of stuff. But
unfortunately the last few IM albums haven't been progressive either, so
until they pull that off I'll stick with Bruce, he at least has half the
combo down...

Danny Shiflet
"We plan ahead, that way we don't have to do anything right now"-
Valentine, Tremors

Hue Jass

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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I like Maiden mainly for Harris' galloping-energetic bassplaying and his
epic-edgy-prog-technical songs. Maiden combines aggressive and progressive
in an unique way. Dickinson doesn't.

As far as singing goes, I like Bayley better than Dickinson on NPFTD and
FOTD (though 1980s Dickinson blows away Bayley). I like TXF and VXI better
than the previous post SSOASS albums both for songwriting and singing.
However, the production on TXF and VXI sucks ass. Also, there aren't enough
twin guitars or drum fills. As a result, new Maiden doesn't sound as
aggressive as their old stuff. But, the heart of the music is still there:
TXF and VXI are like cake without the frosting. Dickinson's solo stuff is
like the frosting without the cake. Better production and more fluff....


but not much prog-depth songwriting.

So, it depends on your tastes... there are a lot of Maiden fans who don't


like Maiden for the same reasons as me (they're one of those bands that you
can appreciate on many different levels) who are going to like Dickinson
better than new Maiden because aggressive is more important than progressive
to them.


Tom Fletcher wrote in message <75tos9$k4t$9...@newnews.global.net.uk>...

Peter R. Cook

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Igor Bratic wrote:
>
> -Wilkku- wrote:
> >
> > Igor Bratic wrote:
> >
> > > -Wilkku- wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering.... what do you Blaze haters think of the song The Clansman? IMO
> > > > it's one of the best songs since Seventh Son. And if Bruce gets back in Maiden,
> > > > how would he sing that song???
> > >
> > > Why can't you Blaze lovers understand that Bruce would never, NEVER sink
> > > that low and sing songs that were written for Blaze.
> >
> > Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few tracks
> > from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are good songs
> > in Blaze albums.
>
> Compared to stuff on NOTB and PoM, there are no, NO good tracks on Blaze
> albums. Besides, you think Steve would play The Tower, or Road to Hell?
> Hell no.

YOUR opinion.

-Peter

Igor Bratic

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No, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. NOTB-SSoaSS stuff is better than
anything off TXF or VXI. You can like the newer stuff more than Bruce's
stuff, but it's not better. You can like Mazda better than BMW, but you
have to admit that Mazda is crap compared to BMW.

Tokus

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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>Compared to stuff on NOTB and PoM, there are no, NO good tracks on Blaze
>albums. Besides, you think Steve would play The Tower, or Road to Hell?
>Hell no.


Why do you think that is? if bruce rejoins with _Maiden_, then they would
play Maiden tracks. If Steve joins Bruce's band, then they would play songs
from Bruce's solo album and some Maiden tunes.

cu
Tonnie

Tokus

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>You just don;t get it. Blaze's tracks are really weak. He could pick
>25 awesome tracks to do. He's not gonna do Blaze stuff, that's a rule,
>everyone knows that.


there is no such rule. they would play the tracks they feel comfortable
playing, which will probably include some Blaze tracks too.

cu
Tonnie

Tokus

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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>No, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. NOTB-SSoaSS stuff is better than
>anything off TXF or VXI. You can like the newer stuff more than Bruce's
>stuff, but it's not better. You can like Mazda better than BMW, but you
>have to admit that Mazda is crap compared to BMW.


so, with your reasoning, Mozart is better then Maiden? No. it's just a
matter of taste. With cars, you can say that one brand is better then the
other, because the used materials are better, the service is better, the
tired last longer, etc...
but with music, you just can't do that, and that's why it's a matter of
taste.

cu
Tonnie

Igor Bratic

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Tokus wrote:
>
> >No, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. NOTB-SSoaSS stuff is better than
> >anything off TXF or VXI. You can like the newer stuff more than Bruce's
> >stuff, but it's not better. You can like Mazda better than BMW, but you
> >have to admit that Mazda is crap compared to BMW.
>
> so, with your reasoning, Mozart is better then Maiden? No. it's just a
> matter of taste.

He was more talanted, that;s for sure, for god's sake, he wrote an opera when
he was 8, Steve didn't know what a bass guitar looked like when he was 8.

With cars, you can say that one brand is better then the
> other, because the used materials are better, the service is better, the
> tired last longer, etc...

It works with music too. Use a better singer, you'll make a better album

Tom Fletcher

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <36856A...@home.com>...

>
>You just don;t get it. Blaze's tracks are really weak. He could pick
>25 awesome tracks to do. He's not gonna do Blaze stuff, that's a rule,
>everyone knows that.

>--


Hate to argue with you, but where is this RULE written down? The bible? The
Torah Scroll? Is it a religious thing? You'll have to tell me if it is
becuase I don't follow any religion. And if this rule is true, how come
Bruce did Paul's stuff? Even though I don't like Blaze, I don't agree with
your rule system.

Oh, and, btw, I didn't know about the rule, so that would be "He's not gonna
do Blaze stuff, that's a rule, everyone knows that, apart from Tom
Fletcher."

Tom Fletcher

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>Wilkku- wrote in message <3685172C...@kolumbus.fi>...

>Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few
tracks
>from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are
good songs
>in Blaze albums.
>


Yeah, maybe they should do Blaze stuff live, and give Blaze tickets for at
the front, and Bruce can spit on him and laugh.

And I don't think Igor would admit there are good songs. He'd be too proud.
He's too obssessed with his "Bruce won't do Blaze stuff. That is a rule.
Everyone knows that"

Tom Fletcher

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Hue Jass wrote in message <3685c...@oit.umass.edu>...

>
>As far as singing goes, I like Bayley better than Dickinson on NPFTD and
>FOTD (though 1980s Dickinson blows away Bayley). I like TXF and VXI better
>than the previous post SSOASS albums both for songwriting and singing.


Maybe they should totally remaster NPFTD, and have Blaze sing on it. They
could send copies to Bruce so he could blow his nose on them.

Igor Bratic

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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Tom Fletcher wrote:
>
> >Wilkku- wrote in message <3685172C...@kolumbus.fi>...
> >Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few
> tracks
> >from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are
> good songs
> >in Blaze albums.
> >
>
> Yeah, maybe they should do Blaze stuff live, and give Blaze tickets for at
> the front, and Bruce can spit on him and laugh.
>
> And I don't think Igor would admit there are good songs. He'd be too proud.

Yeah, besides, I'm listening to Purgatory right now, after hearing this
song I feel compelled to go to a store and spit on every cd that has
Blaze on it.
--
Igor

Visit my Iron Maiden Rare Sounds Archive for B-Sides at:
http://members.tripod.com/~in_his_hands/index.html

By the pricking of my thumbs
Something wicked this way comes
And when sleep takes you tonight
Will you wake to see the light...?

Tony Szablowski

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Shiflet wrote in message <3685C9...@ix.netcom.com>...

>Unfortunately, they lost that combination pretty much after LAD. SiT
>and SS had a few tracks, but not many...


Right. I think that had mostly to do with Bruce's mindset _and_
Adrian's. I don't think they put their total, dedicated selves into
7th Son, though it still is a great album. I think that if they did,
it would've been even better.

>I much prefer progressive. That's why I like Helloween, King
>Diamond/Mercyful Fate, HammerFall, and that sort of stuff. But
>unfortunately the last few IM albums haven't been progressive either,
>so until they pull that off I'll stick with Bruce, he at least has
half the
>combo down...


I think it has _ALOT_ to do with Bruce's band being younger and the
whole attitude that goes with it. Maiden has lost the fire, the
desire, the drive. It doesn't help that metal itself has also lost
it's footing, especially in the USA. I wonder what started to die
out first, metal or the metal bands' fire and enthusiasm?
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <368611...@home.com>...

>No, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. NOTB-SSoaSS stuff is better
>than anything off TXF or VXI. You can like the newer stuff more
>than Bruce's stuff, but it's not better. You can like Mazda better
than >BMW, but you have to admit that Mazda is crap compared to BMW.


Igor, it's not a fact. Album sales alone do not determine if you or
the kid down the street is gonna buy an Iron Maiden or Alannis
Morrisette(sp?) CD. There are some who think the Blaze-era of Maiden
is better than anything before it. There's nothing wrong with that;
it's their opinion. And personally, I'd take a top-line Infiniti or
Jeep Grand Cherokee over a Mercedes any day. If you want to give me a
Mercedes, fine, but I'll send it the next day and buy something I
really like. :-)
--
Regards,
Tony

Tom Fletcher

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Tokus wrote in message <7658p5$7bj$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>...

>so, with your reasoning, Mozart is better then Maiden? No. it's just a
>matter of taste. With cars, you can say that one brand is better then the

>other, because the used materials are better, the service is better, the
>tired last longer, etc...
>but with music, you just can't do that, and that's why it's a matter of
>taste.
>
You could interpret the used materials as "band members" I suppose. Would
you be in a local pub band with Jannick and Blaze? Jannick would be jumping
around and galavanting around on the tables, and Blaze would shout "Come On"
and everyone would shout "FUCK OFF". Would YOU use those "materials?". The
"service" could be a translation of "gig". It would be shit. The tyres
lasting longer? Ooh, tought one. I guess you could put how long they last
before the landlord chucks the out?

The taste thing can go for cars. Btw, I would choose a BMW anyday.

Tom Fletcher

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Tokus wrote in message <7657l1$69k$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>...

>Why do you think that is? if bruce rejoins with _Maiden_, then they would
>play Maiden tracks. If Steve joins Bruce's band, then they would play songs
>from Bruce's solo album and some Maiden tunes.
>


Steve isn't going to join Bruces band is he? Don't worry about that.

sir...@blues.jpj.net

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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Igor Bratic wrote:

> Tom Fletcher wrote:
> >
> > >Wilkku- wrote in message <3685172C...@kolumbus.fi>...
> > >Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few
> > tracks
> > >from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are
> > good songs
> > >in Blaze albums.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, maybe they should do Blaze stuff live, and give Blaze tickets for at
> > the front, and Bruce can spit on him and laugh.
> >
> > And I don't think Igor would admit there are good songs. He'd be too proud.
>
> Yeah, besides, I'm listening to Purgatory right now, after hearing this
> song I feel compelled to go to a store and spit on every cd that has
> Blaze on it.

just steal his playstation memory cards...or better yet, lock him in a
playstation warehouse, he won't care about maiden or anything else at that
point.


> --
> Igor

ST


-Wilkku-

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Igor Bratic wrote:

> > Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play few tracks
> > from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there are good songs
> > in Blaze albums.
>

> Compared to stuff on NOTB and PoM, there are no, NO good tracks on Blaze
> albums.

Compared to stuff on NOTB and POM, there are no, NO good tracks on NPFTD of FOTD.

> Besides, you think Steve would play The Tower, or Road to Hell?
> Hell no.

Yep, you're right about that!

--
-Wilkku-

villemat...@kolumbus.fi
ICQ = 12216778
NP: IM - LAD

Aaron Burrough

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In article <368611...@ultranet.com>, cook...@ultranet.com wrote:

> YOUR opinion.
>
> -Peter

Please learn the difference between fact and opinion.

--
Aaron

"Iron Maiden's gonna get ya no matter how far!" - Steve Harris

Curtis Rea

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>It works with music too. Use a better singer, you'll make a better album


Bullshit. Great singers have made horrible albums. Here's a list of some
off the top of my head:

Bruce Dickinson - Tattooed Millionaire
Ozzy Osbourne - Never Say Die
Rob Halford - Two
....and the list goes on.

Curtis

Igor Bratic

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Curtis Rea wrote:
>
> >It works with music too. Use a better singer, you'll make a better album
>
> Bullshit. Great singers have made horrible albums. Here's a list of some
> off the top of my head:
>
> Bruce Dickinson - Tattooed Millionaire

HAHAHAHA! Good one. This album is 100 times better than TXF or VXI.
It even contains (gasp!) a cover song, something Mr. 'Arry would never
put on an album, besides, Janick fits into the overall mood of the album
perfectly.

Curtis Rea

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>Hue Jass wrote in message <3685c...@oit.umass.edu>...
>>
>>As far as singing goes, I like Bayley better than Dickinson on NPFTD and
>>FOTD (though 1980s Dickinson blows away Bayley). I like TXF and VXI
better
>>than the previous post SSOASS albums both for songwriting and singing.
>
>
>Maybe they should totally remaster NPFTD, and have Blaze sing on it. They
>could send copies to Bruce so he could blow his nose on them.


That might be a good idea, it surely couldn't be any worse.

Curtis Rea

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>> >Well, if Bruce rejoins Maiden, I strongly believe that their gonna play
few
>> tracks
>> >from Blaze albums. And I think even you Igor have to admit that there
are
>> good songs
>> >in Blaze albums.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, maybe they should do Blaze stuff live, and give Blaze tickets for
at
>> the front, and Bruce can spit on him and laugh.
>>
>> And I don't think Igor would admit there are good songs. He'd be too
proud.
>
>Yeah, besides, I'm listening to Purgatory right now, after hearing this
>song I feel compelled to go to a store and spit on every cd that has
>Blaze on it.


I have my CDs on random play right now and Bring Your Daughter played a
little while ago. Should I spit and burn everything Bruce has sung on?

Igor Bratic

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Bruce wrote that song all by himself, it reached no 1, when Blaze writes
a song that would go above 50, call me. Oh yeah, Blaze is musically
illiterate, he can't play any instruments. Well, that's too bad.

Aaron Burrough

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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In article <3686B6...@home.com>, Igor Bratic <bra...@home.com> wrote:

> Bruce wrote that song all by himself, it reached no 1, when Blaze writes
> a song that would go above 50, call me. Oh yeah, Blaze is musically
> illiterate, he can't play any instruments. Well, that's too bad.

I hear he's wicked good at Crash Bandicoot though.

UP THE IRON PLAY STATIONS MY BLAZE LOVERS!

Curtis Rea

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>> >It works with music too. Use a better singer, you'll make a better
album
>>
>> Bullshit. Great singers have made horrible albums. Here's a list of
some
>> off the top of my head:
>>
>> Bruce Dickinson - Tattooed Millionaire
>
>HAHAHAHA! Good one. This album is 100 times better than TXF or VXI.
>It even contains (gasp!) a cover song, something Mr. 'Arry would never
>put on an album, besides, Janick fits into the overall mood of the album
>perfectly.


Millionaire 100 times better than TXF or VXI!?!?!? I'm afraid your hearing
is failing you Igor. As for the cover song I think Kerrang magazine said it
best "as he completely murdered Mott The Hoople's 'All the Young Dudes' on
that first solo album."

Hue Jass

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LOL

That's good... however, even if you don't like Blaze, you've got to admit
that he couldn't screw up the singing on NPFTD any worse than Dickinson did
:)

Aaron Burrough

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In article <DJzh2.3368$EG3....@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>, "Curtis Rea"
<cr...@techplus.com> wrote:

> Millionaire 100 times better than TXF or VXI!?!?!? I'm afraid your hearing
> is failing you Igor.

That's ironic coming from a guy that thinks Blaze has a good voice. I
would recommend you shut up before you further make an ass out of
yourself.

> As for the cover song I think Kerrang magazine said it
> best "as he completely murdered Mott The Hoople's 'All the Young Dudes' on
> that first solo album."

Well since we're gonna use reviews instead of giving a valid argument from
our own minds maybe I should dig up some reviews of Virtual Turd. I don't
think I ever saw anyone give it more than 2 stars, tops.

Igor Bratic

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Curtis Rea wrote:
>
> >> >It works with music too. Use a better singer, you'll make a better
> album
> >>
> >> Bullshit. Great singers have made horrible albums. Here's a list of
> some
> >> off the top of my head:
> >>
> >> Bruce Dickinson - Tattooed Millionaire
> >
> >HAHAHAHA! Good one. This album is 100 times better than TXF or VXI.
> >It even contains (gasp!) a cover song, something Mr. 'Arry would never
> >put on an album, besides, Janick fits into the overall mood of the album
> >perfectly.
>
> Millionaire 100 times better than TXF or VXI!?!?!? I'm afraid your hearing
> is failing you Igor. As for the cover song I think Kerrang magazine said it

> best "as he completely murdered Mott The Hoople's 'All the Young Dudes' on
> that first solo album."

Just for the record, it's a David Bowie song. And second, anything,
ANYTHING Bruce sings on is better than VXI or TXF. Bruce could be a
guest on a Spice Girls song and it would be better than anything with
Blaze.

Curtis Rea

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The Man Who Knows Everything About Nothing wrote in message ...

>That's ironic coming from a guy that thinks Blaze has a good voice. I
>would recommend you shut up before you further make an ass out of
>yourself.


I like Blaze, you don't, who really gives a shit. Igor likes TM better than
Blaze's albums and I respect that, but he stated that it was a FACT that TM
is better. Well it's not a fact and I for one don't like the TM album, and
I think Bruce can (and has with his last albums) do a hell of a lot better
than he did on that album.

>Well since we're gonna use reviews instead of giving a valid argument from
>our own minds maybe I should dig up some reviews of Virtual Turd. I don't
>think I ever saw anyone give it more than 2 stars, tops.

Why don't you print some then? I've only read one review of VXI and it was
middle of the road. It would be more exciting and intelligent than just
typing up the same arguments all the time.

Curtis

Curtis Rea

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>Just for the record, it's a David Bowie song. And second, anything,
>ANYTHING Bruce sings on is better than VXI or TXF. Bruce could be a
>guest on a Spice Girls song and it would be better than anything with
>Blaze.


Yeah Bowie wrote the song for Hoople and they recorded it. As for the Spice
Girls comment, well that's just crazy.

Curtis

Shiflet

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Curtis Rea wrote:
>
> Why don't you print some then?

www.allmusic.com's review was 2 out of 5 stars, feel free to check
theirs out...

> I've only read one review of VXI and it was
> middle of the road. It would be more exciting and intelligent than just
> typing up the same arguments all the time.
>
> Curtis

Danny Shiflet
"We plan ahead, that way we don't have to do anything right now"-
Valentine, Tremors

Tom Fletcher

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>Well since we're gonna use reviews instead of giving a valid argument from
>our own minds maybe I should dig up some reviews of Virtual Turd. I don't
>think I ever saw anyone give it more than 2 stars, tops.
>


FHM commented on VXI and TXF as being "ropey". (Surely that can't be true?)

Hahahahahaha!!!

Tom Fletcher

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>Why don't you print some then? I've only read one review of VXI and it was

>middle of the road. It would be more exciting and intelligent than just
>typing up the same arguments all the time.
>


Ooooh! Should be middle of the motorway really. Hopefully they would get run
over, or arrested.

Tom Fletcher

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>
>Yeah Bowie wrote the song for Hoople and they recorded it. As for the
Spice
>Girls comment, well that's just crazy.
>
>Curtis
>


Yeah, but Curtis, if it were Blaze it would be different.

Tom Fletcher

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>Compared to stuff on NOTB and POM, there are no, NO good tracks on NPFTD of
FOTD.


No no no! FOTD is one of the best Maiden albums I have heard. Maybe if the
tracklist went:

Be Quick Or Be Dead
From Here To Eternity
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Chains Of Misery
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of The Dark

and then use Childhoods End, Fear is the key, Weekend Warrior, and the
Apparition as b-sides.

Tom Fletcher

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>I have my CDs on random play right now and Bring Your Daughter played a
>little while ago. Should I spit and burn everything Bruce has sung on?
>


No, listen to them and spit on and burn your Blaze CD's.

Everybody is happy!!

Tom Fletcher

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <3686B6...@home.com>...

>Bruce wrote that song all by himself, it reached no 1, when Blaze writes
>a song that would go above 50, call me. Oh yeah, Blaze is musically
>illiterate, he can't play any instruments. Well, that's too bad.

Sorry Igor, BUT.....
Even though I don't like Blaze and Jannick, they have wrote a song which got
to #10 in the UK. Man On The Edge was the first single Blaze ever
contributed to.

Curtis Rea

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>>
>>Yeah Bowie wrote the song for Hoople and they recorded it. As for the
>Spice
>>Girls comment, well that's just crazy.
>
>
>Yeah, but Curtis, if it were Blaze it would be different.


Nope, I wouldn't buy Blaze with the Spice Girls either. The only thing I
liked about the Spice Girls was when the naked pictures of Ginger started
showing up, and now she's gone.

Curtis


Lionheart

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Tom Fletcher wrote:
>No no no! FOTD is one of the best >Maiden
>albums I have heard. Maybe if the >tracklist
>went:
>Be Quick Or Be Dead
>From Here To Eternity
>Afraid To Shoot Strangers
>Wasting Love
>The Fugitive
>Chains Of Misery
>Judas Be My Guide
>Fear Of The Dark

>and then use Childhoods End, Fear is >the
>key, Weekend Warrior, and the >Apparition
>as b-sides.

I agree with you on your assessment of FOTD, except that I would
substitute Be Quick Or Be Dead (hate that song) with Childhoods End (a
pretty good song) and put From Here To Eternity (Bruce sounds like an
AC/DC rip-off) as a B-side as well, and then you would have a very good
CD. This would have been the perfect release of FOTD IMO:
1. Afraid To Shoot Strangers
2. Childhoods End
3. Wasting Love
4. The Fugitive
5. Chains Of Misery
6. Judas Be My Guide
7. Fear Of The Dark
I know it would of been short, but effective nonetheless.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LIONHEART
Why do we have to fall from grace
Holdin' on to yesterday
When home sweet home is outta place
Lionheart will find his way
(Le Tekro/Harnell)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Lionheart

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Curtis wrote:
>Bullshit. Great singers have made >horrible
>albums. Here's a list of some off the top >of
>my head:
>Bruce Dickinson - Tattooed Millionaire

I really like TM. It reminds me a lot of when Bruce was with Samson. I
can't understand why you and others don't care for this one. I much
prefer it to the boring Balls To Picasso.

>Ozzy Osbourne - Never Say Die

It was actually Black Sabbath, but this is a great album IMO!! This is
very underrated. It may not rank up there with the likes of Paranoid,
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, etc.. but still a killer release. It's just a
little different, but how can you hate songs like Shock Wave, NSD,
Johnny Blade, Air Dance, and Over To You that are on it?

Aaron Burrough

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In article <RaOh2.3526$EG3....@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>, "Curtis Rea"
<cr...@techplus.com> wrote:

> Why don't you print some then? I've only read one review of VXI and it was
> middle of the road. It would be more exciting and intelligent than just
> typing up the same arguments all the time.

Go read the one Danny mentioned and if that still isn't enough I'll go see
if I can find some more and post them here.

> Curtis

Aaron Burrough

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In article <768ird$p7f$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, "Tom Fletcher"
<t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

> No no no! FOTD is one of the best Maiden albums I have heard. Maybe if the
> tracklist went:
>
> Be Quick Or Be Dead
> From Here To Eternity
> Afraid To Shoot Strangers
> Wasting Love
> The Fugitive
> Chains Of Misery
> Judas Be My Guide
> Fear Of The Dark
>
> and then use Childhoods End, Fear is the key, Weekend Warrior, and the
> Apparition as b-sides.


Whoa!! 100,000% dude! Finally another person that sees FOTD for the
brilliant album it is. That tracklist is damn near perfect..I'd just stick
Childhoods End on there too.


HE'S GOT YOUR CHAINS OF MISERY! (gotta love it)

> Tom Fletcher
> t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk
>
> "Who leads you to the dark secrets?"
> Bruce Dickinson
>
> "You haunt me, you taunt me
> You torture me back at your lair"
> Steve Harris

--

Igor Bratic

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Tom Fletcher wrote:
>
> Igor Bratic wrote in message <3686B6...@home.com>...
>
> >Bruce wrote that song all by himself, it reached no 1, when Blaze writes
> >a song that would go above 50, call me. Oh yeah, Blaze is musically
> >illiterate, he can't play any instruments. Well, that's too bad.
>
> Sorry Igor, BUT.....
> Even though I don't like Blaze and Jannick, they have wrote a song which got
> to #10 in the UK. Man On The Edge was the first single Blaze ever
> contributed to.

Bruce wrote Run to the Hills by himself and that song made Maiden the
biggest heavy metal band of the 80's, he also wrote Powerslave and
Revelations.

Igor Bratic

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Curtis Rea wrote:
>
> >Just for the record, it's a David Bowie song. And second, anything,
> >ANYTHING Bruce sings on is better than VXI or TXF. Bruce could be a
> >guest on a Spice Girls song and it would be better than anything with
> >Blaze.
>
> Yeah Bowie wrote the song for Hoople and they recorded it. As for the Spice
> Girls comment, well that's just crazy.

Why not? I'd rather hear Bruce sing anything that listen to TXF.

Curtis Rea

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>> >Just for the record, it's a David Bowie song. And second, anything,
>> >ANYTHING Bruce sings on is better than VXI or TXF. Bruce could be a
>> >guest on a Spice Girls song and it would be better than anything with
>> >Blaze.
>>
>> Yeah Bowie wrote the song for Hoople and they recorded it. As for the
Spice
>> Girls comment, well that's just crazy.
>
>Why not? I'd rather hear Bruce sing anything that listen to TXF.


I don't think even Bruce could save the Spice Girls' songs (and I use the
word songs with hesitation).

Shiflet

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Dec 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/28/98
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Igor Bratic wrote:

> Why not? I'd rather hear Bruce sing anything that listen to TXF.

For that matter, Bruce clearing his throat wouldn't really be *worse*
than TXF...

> --
> Igor
>
> Visit my Iron Maiden Rare Sounds Archive for B-Sides at:
> http://members.tripod.com/~in_his_hands/index.html
>
> By the pricking of my thumbs
> Something wicked this way comes
> And when sleep takes you tonight
> Will you wake to see the light...?

Danny Shiflet

samiam

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Dec 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/28/98
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I don't get these anti-NPFTD/FOTD posts. What is
it exactly about
Bruce's voice on these two that piss so many
people off? I sat down
with some headphones and listened to both while
reading this NG
and can't understand why people hate them so much.
I know there is
a few people that like them out there but we are
in the minority it
seems. I honestly like both alot! I would take
these two over The X-
Factor or VirtualXI any day but that's just me. As
far as Janick on
guitar, I think this "Janick the Butcher" topic
has perpetuated itself
for so long that no one will step up and say they
like him. I know there
are a ton of better guitarists out there but there
are even more
worse ones. I'm not defending the guy, but he has
his own style of
playing. If Steve wanted a Adrian clone, he
probably could've found
one-same with Blaze replacing Bruce. Getting back
to the last two
Bruce albums- it just seems to me that people are
coming out of
nowhere tacking on comments like the one I'm
responding to. This
isn't aimed just at Hue Jass, so don't take it
that way. But this thread
is going nowhere with all this childish crap.
Reading through all these
"me too" type responses are annoying. Everyday,
this NG is looking
more and more like the Metallica NG. Nothing but
petty bickering
going on.

-samiam


Hue Jass wrote in message
<3686d...@oit.umass.edu>...

samiam

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Dec 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/28/98
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No, this wasn't aimed at any one person. I just
felt like getting
something off my chest and this on-going thread
seemed
like a good place. Everybody's is entitled to
their opinions,
which is why I love reading this newsgroup. But
posting
"______ sucks" and not giving any reason to back
it up
is lame. You've never been guilty of that I agree
but this topic
seemed to get off track a little with "childish"
comments
(come on, just agree with me <g> ) and I felt
like venting a little.
As far as the Janick thing goes, I think overall
he's a good
guitarist. Wait a sec, before you flame me! I play
guitar, have
for about 10yrs now. And I am a little more
critical of other
musicians than others sometimes. Some of the riffs
and solos
he does are great and some aren't. I don't care
for all the
dancing around he does on stage but thats his
gimmick. I
like his style on Bruce's Tattooed Millionaire
album a little
more than his work with Maiden but I still like
the guy. Is he
perfect for Maiden? I dont know. I dont think
Maiden will
ever have an all-star line up like they once had.

-samiam


>
>I'm interested to know if you feel I present
cases like that. I've
>never aimlessly bashed anyone. I've always
explained my
>opinions/feelings the best I could, not trying to
just bash away like
>a lot of others. But while you are right that
Steve could've gotten
>another Adrian, I think he would be hard-pressed
to do that. Adrian's
>a unique guitarist. I don't think there's too
many with a style like
>his. But to replace him with a guy who's got a
real shitty sound live
>and a not-so-great sound on tape is what I can't
understand. I don't
>think his sound alone fits in with how everyone
else sounds in Maiden.
>Steve musta been fooled by all that flash and
showboating. ;-)

>Regards,
>Tony
>
>

Igor Bratic

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Shiflet wrote:
>
> Igor Bratic wrote:
>
> > Why not? I'd rather hear Bruce sing anything that listen to TXF.
>
> For that matter, Bruce clearing his throat wouldn't really be *worse*
> than TXF...

Exactly.

Tony Szablowski

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samiam wrote in message <8FWh2.1672$bb7....@alfalfa.thegrid.net>...

>I don't get these anti-NPFTD/FOTD posts. What is
>it exactly about Bruce's voice on these two that piss so many
>people off? I sat down with some headphones and listened to both
>while reading this NG and can't understand why people hate them

Without any fear of being called a Bruce-lover I'll say that I've no
problem with his vox on those albums.

>so much. I know there is a few people that like them out there but
>we are in the minority it seems. I honestly like both alot! I would
take


And there's nothing wrong with that.

>there are even more worse ones. I'm not defending the guy, but he
>has his own style of playing. If Steve wanted a Adrian clone, he
>probably could've found one-same with Blaze replacing Bruce.

I'm interested to know if you feel I present cases like that. I've


never aimlessly bashed anyone. I've always explained my
opinions/feelings the best I could, not trying to just bash away like
a lot of others. But while you are right that Steve could've gotten
another Adrian, I think he would be hard-pressed to do that. Adrian's
a unique guitarist. I don't think there's too many with a style like
his. But to replace him with a guy who's got a real shitty sound live
and a not-so-great sound on tape is what I can't understand. I don't
think his sound alone fits in with how everyone else sounds in Maiden.
Steve musta been fooled by all that flash and showboating. ;-)

>that way. But this thread is going nowhere with all this childish


crap.
>Reading through all these "me too" type responses are annoying.
>Everyday, this NG is looking more and more like the Metallica NG.
>Nothing but petty bickering going on.


<rolling eyes> Geezuz, give me a break. Childish crap? Petty
bickering? Maybe.....
--
Regards,
Tony

Hue Jass

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I don't like Dickinson's growling scratchy voice on NPFTD and FOTD.

Curtis Rea

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>>I don't get these anti-NPFTD/FOTD posts. What is
>>it exactly about Bruce's voice on these two that piss so many
>>people off? I sat down with some headphones and listened to both
>>while reading this NG and can't understand why people hate them
>
>Without any fear of being called a Bruce-lover I'll say that I've no
>problem with his vox on those albums.


It's not Bruce's vocals that make me dislike these albums either. It's
mostly subpar songs and some of the lamest lyrics they have ever written.


Igor Bratic

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Lamest lyrics? Compare ATTS, Childhood's End and NPFTD to 2 AM, Como
Estais Amigos and Futureal. Talk about lame lyrics. 'What is real...'
Dave Mustain can't write lamer lyrics than Mr. Cooke.

samiam

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I beg to differ. I would take the lyrics from
"Weekend Warrior"
to just about any other from the last two
(TXF/VXI).
"I get in from work at 2a.m.
and sit down and with a beer"....puh-leeeze...
That goes for the music too. The songs are boring
IMO
and lack any real effort. There are no great
solos, riffs,
or drum fills save for a couple of songs I'll
admit. But for
the most part, it's like they just going through
the motions of
releasing an album for contract reasons. At least
when
I put in No Prayer, I know I can look forward to
some
up-beat, hard-rocking songs. Same with FOTD. There
are some great songs on there that people forget
about
and dismiss the whole album as crap. I don't hate
Maiden's last two albums by any stretch of the
means,
but I do have to be in a certain mood to listen
through
them, where I can pop in ANY of Maiden's last 9
anytime
and enjoy them fully.

-samiam


Curtis Rea wrote in message ...

Tom Fletcher

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <3686B6...@home.com>...

>Bruce wrote Run to the Hills by himself and that song made Maiden the
>biggest heavy metal band of the 80's, he also wrote Powerslave and
>Revelations.


Was the fact Bruce was never credited for this song because he was
still signed to Samson? If so, why did Steve get all the credit for the
song, apart from the fact he would have cried if he didn't get his own way.

Tom Fletcher
t...@fletch05.globalnet.co.uk

Tom Fletcher

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Tony Szablowski wrote in message <769haf$p...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>samiam wrote in message <8FWh2.1672$bb7....@alfalfa.thegrid.net>...
>>I don't get these anti-NPFTD/FOTD posts. What is
>>it exactly about Bruce's voice on these two that piss so many
>>people off? I sat down with some headphones and listened to both
>>while reading this NG and can't understand why people hate them
>
>Without any fear of being called a Bruce-lover I'll say that I've no
>problem with his vox on those albums.
>


The vocals are fine, it's just the shitty songs. There are only one good one
and four others worth bothering with.

Mother Russia, Tailgunner, Holy Smoke, Hooks In You, Bring Your Daughter

Tony Szablowski

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samiam wrote in message <9uYh2.1681$bb7....@alfalfa.thegrid.net>...

>No, this wasn't aimed at any one person. I just
>felt like getting something off my chest and this on-going thread
>seemed like a good place. Everybody's is entitled to
>their opinions, which is why I love reading this newsgroup. But
>posting "______ sucks" and not giving any reason to back
>it up is lame. You've never been guilty of that I agree
>but this topic seemed to get off track a little with "childish"
>comments (come on, just agree with me <g> ) and I felt
>like venting a little.


OK. I agree. :-)

>As far as the Janick thing goes, I think overall
>he's a good guitarist. Wait a sec, before you flame me! I play

>guitar, have for about 10yrs now. And I am a little more
>critical of other musicians than others sometimes. Some of the riffs
>and solos he does are great and some aren't. I don't care
>for all the dancing around he does on stage but thats his
>gimmick. I like his style on Bruce's Tattooed Millionaire
>album a little more than his work with Maiden but I still like
>the guy. Is he perfect for Maiden? I dont know. I dont think
>Maiden will ever have an all-star line up like they once had.


I like a lot of the things he's done, but they just don't seem to lift
the song to another level, and that may also do with his sound. For
the most part, I agree with you.
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Curtis Rea wrote in message ...
>It's not Bruce's vocals that make me dislike these albums either.
It's
>mostly subpar songs and some of the lamest lyrics they have ever
>written.


100000%!
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Igor Bratic wrote in message <36888F...@home.com>...

>Lamest lyrics? Compare ATTS, Childhood's End and NPFTD to 2 >AM,
Como Estais Amigos and Futureal. Talk about lame lyrics. >'What is
real...' Dave Mustain can't write lamer lyrics than Mr. >Cooke.


I don't like most of the lyrics from all the albums past 7th
Son.....now that could be because of the way they were sung or because
I just didn't like the lyric(s), but whatever the case may be, I think
Maiden's lyrics have been subpar, along with the music, for a while
now. I think the boys have gotta rediscover their roots.....I think
they lost their direction.
--
Regards,
Tony

Igor Bratic

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Yeah, he wasn't allowed to write anything for maiden for a year. That's
why wherever Bruce should be credited on NOTB there's Steve's or Clive's
name. Steve only wrote NOTB, Hallowed, Children and Invaders.

--
Igor

Visit my Iron Maiden Rare Sounds Archive for B-Sides at:
http://members.tripod.com/~in_his_hands/index.html

Go to war again,
Blood is freedom's stain

Tony Szablowski

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samiam wrote in message ...

>I beg to differ. I would take the lyrics from
>"Weekend Warrior" to just about any other from the last two
>(TXF/VXI). "I get in from work at 2a.m.
>and sit down and with a beer"....puh-leeeze...


_EVERY_ time I hear that line I immediately think of RUSH's "Working
Man." The lyrics are strikingly similar.
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Tom Fletcher wrote in message <76bi3d$9vg$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...

>The vocals are fine, it's just the shitty songs. There are only one
>good one and four others worth bothering with.


Bruce's vocals, as in quality of note, etc., are good. The way
melodies of the words and/or the lyrics themselves are pretty awful.
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Tom Fletcher wrote in message <76bi3b$9vg$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...

>Was the fact Bruce was never credited for this song because he >was
still signed to Samson? If so, why did Steve get all the credit for
>the song, apart from the fact he would have cried if he didn't get
his >own way.


I believe Bruce had some contractual obligations from prior(probably
Samson) and couldn't be credited or he'd be in some trouble.
--
Regards,
Tony

Igor Bratic

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I don't know about that Tony, remember the last time they tried to go
back to theri roots, it resulted with H getting fired and release of
NPFTD.

Tom Fletcher

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Tony Szablowski wrote in message <76bj4c$b...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>I don't like most of the lyrics from all the albums past 7th
>Son.....now that could be because of the way they were sung or because
>I just didn't like the lyric(s), but whatever the case may be, I think
>Maiden's lyrics have been subpar, along with the music, for a while
>now. I think the boys have gotta rediscover their roots.....I think
>they lost their direction.


Maybe cause they were a bit lame.

Bring your daughter, bring your daughter, to the slaaaaugghhhhtterrrrrr!
Let her go, let her go, let her go

My point exactly.

Tom Fletcher

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samiam wrote in message ...

> "I get in from work at 2a.m.
> and sit down and with a beer"....puh-leeeze...


Thank You! Someone thinks the same same way as I do. I first read these
lyrics from the CD booklet before I heard the music, and I thought to myself
"this sounds like a bit of a lame song". I mean, what do those lyrics really
mean to anyone?

Tokus

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Tony Szablowski heeft geschreven in bericht
<76bjsk$e...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...


then they probably had to pay a huge amount of money, which they didn't have
back then, and Samson would probably be allowed to record it too without
paying for it.

cu
Tonnie

Tony Szablowski

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Tom Fletcher wrote in message <76d3q7$bg0$3...@newnews.global.net.uk>...

>Maybe cause they were a bit lame.
>Bring your daughter, bring your daughter, to the
>slaaaaugghhhhtterrrrrr!
>Let her go, let her go, let her go


Ex-zacta-fucking-lutely. :-)
--
Regards,
Tony

Tony Szablowski

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Tokus wrote in message <76d2p2$4e3$4...@news2.xs4all.nl>...

>>I believe Bruce had some contractual obligations from prior
>>(probably Samson) and couldn't be credited or he'd be in some

>>trouble.
>
>then they probably had to pay a huge amount of money, which they
>didn't have back then, and Samson would probably be allowed to
>record it too without paying for it.


No Tonnie. They didn't pay _because_ they didn't give Bruce the
credit. If they did, _then_ they would'a had to pay.
--
Regards,
Tony

Tokus

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>>then they probably had to pay a huge amount of money, which they
>>didn't have back then, and Samson would probably be allowed to
>>record it too without paying for it.
>
>
>No Tonnie. They didn't pay _because_ they didn't give Bruce the
>credit. If they did, _then_ they would'a had to pay.


Well, that's what I meant but it came out a bit confusing.

cu
Tonnie

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