Live at Donington is a fake!?
Silver Drake
If you have Live at Donington, you're being ripped off on one track.
Have you listened to "The Evil That Men Do"?
OK, everything's fine, isn't it? No.
If you listen to original recordings (I have the KTS bootleg called
Maiden Europe), Bruce fumbles with the lyrics just before the first
chorus (he starts too early, and to my surprise the effect is really
good, so I thought it was conscious), and you can hear the "blooper"
really well.
This means that the album, after Steve talks us about his will to have
the true live experience, has been carefully overdubbed (anyway you
can easily hear where the overdub is) to erase this error.
The other songs seem fine, but I'm really pissed off with this.
If you have any doubt, the next week I'm going to post samples of this
event on my website (the one in the signature), so you can make
comparisons.
BTW: the Remastered edition is simply great, great interface, great
graphics, nice artwork and everything works OK.
See you,
Silver Drake
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Silver Drake wrote:
> If you listen to original recordings (I have the KTS bootleg called
> Maiden Europe), Bruce fumbles with the lyrics just before the first
> chorus (he starts too early, and to my surprise the effect is really
> good, so I thought it was conscious), and you can hear the "blooper"
> really well.
> This means that the album, after Steve talks us about his will to have
> the true live experience, has been carefully overdubbed (anyway you
> can easily hear where the overdub is) to erase this error.
I really think that fixing an obvious error on a "Live" album is fine.
It's a far cry from the bands that rerecord everything. I like my albums
really live too, but I think we can cut some slack here and still call it
completely live.
-Dave Wright
The Trooper
and The Trooper (Janick
plays solo in wrong key). Sorry, bad language.
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Silver Drake wrote:
> Yes yes, people, I'm really angry this time.
> If you have Live at Donington, you're being ripped off on one track.
> Have you listened to "The Evil That Men Do"?
> OK, everything's fine, isn't it? No.
> If you listen to original recordings (I have the KTS bootleg called
> Maiden Europe), Bruce fumbles with the lyrics just before the first
> chorus (he starts too early, and to my surprise the effect is really
> good, so I thought it was conscious), and you can hear the "blooper"
> really well.
> This means that the album, after Steve talks us about his will to have
> the true live experience, has been carefully overdubbed (anyway you
> can easily hear where the overdub is) to erase this error.
> The other songs seem fine, but I'm really pissed off with this.
> If you have any doubt, the next week I'm going to post samples of this
> event on my website (the one in the signature), so you can make
> comparisons.
>
> BTW: the Remastered edition is simply great, great interface, great
> graphics, nice artwork and everything works OK.
> See you,
> Silver Drake
> (Y10 Junior)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/3667/index.html
> ICQ - 17994150
>
> "Sono uno spirito elementale della terra cui e'
> stato dato un desiderio, uno scopo e un'abilita':
> GUIDARE!"
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recording you should do it better. Most bands overdub. Theres nothing
wrong with that. Get a life.
Vic
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words.
Anyway, we are being ripped off anyway coz Jannicks playing is overdubbed to
fuck.
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Marcus Corrin
of the show, he can clearly be heard saying how he got into this business
for the music, not to shag some tart out in the parking lot, or words to
that effect, I don't have the bootleg anymore :(
Whereas, of course, on the released '...Donington', he simply says the title
of thew song. Also, please note that despite the sleeve note on 'A Real Live
One', the version of 'Be Quick Or Be Dead' on there is the Donington
version.
Sorry, I think I'll go and get a life now...
Marcus
nausea
Marcus Corrin wrote in message <78dj0a$6n0$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>Err... what about Bruce's banter introducing 'Wasting Love'? On the bootleg
>of the show, he can clearly be heard saying how he got into this business
>for the music, not to shag some tart out in the parking lot, or words to
>that effect, I don't have the bootleg anymore :(
I recall a part of that bootleg where he says something like:
"England is the best place for metal (it was born here) and lets
face it, we're talkin' about Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and
Black Sabbath!"
I'm sure this was said but alas I too have lost that bootleg along
the way somewhere :(
Anyone know?
Nausea
Rodrigo Andrade
Rush didn't. Judas Priest didn't. Black Sabbath didn't. Joe Satriani didn't.
Yngwie Malmsteen didn't. Sepultura didn't. AC/DC didn't. Ozzy didn't.
Any questions?
I think that "polishing" live recordings is pathetic. Dammit, if the show
sucked, just go ahead and record the next one. If Bruce fucked up on one
song, so what? Just record another show, where he didn't fuck up.
If you listen to Judas Priest's Live Meltdown you'll see what I mean. OK,
they recorded it over a bunch of different show, but nothing is edited,
nothing is overdubbed. The only overdubbing that took place was the crowd
noise between the songs. They wanted to make you feel it was all recorded in
the same night.
RODRIGO
analogkid2112
Rodrigo Andrade wrote in message <78h35v$5ph$1...@news4.wt.net>...
>>So, whats new? Lot's of bands do that!
>
>Rush didn't. Judas Priest didn't. Black Sabbath didn't. Joe Satriani
didn't.
>Yngwie Malmsteen didn't. Sepultura didn't. AC/DC didn't. Ozzy didn't.
>
>Any questions?
>
Not really. Rob Halford re-did all the vocals for "Unleash In The East",
and I believe that Black Sabbath did overdubbing on "Live Evil", but I can't
be factually sure about that one. If you mean that they didn't do any
overdubbing for their latest live offerings, then perhaps, although I would
seriously doubt it.
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samiam
editing live recorded performances (the part about if one night sucked, just
record another date). But what I personally can't stand is when the band
records just the best songs out of umpteen different concerts. Take AC/DC
for instance. I looked forward to their last live album ever since Let There
Be Rock, but was really disspointed when I heard a song, then the crowd
fades out, then back in for the next song, which was obviously recorded some
other night. I want it to sound and feel like I'm there listening to them
play live, not just listen to the ones some producer picked out of the
whole tour. Now the occasional splice is fine here and there, but when is
starts to distract you from the whole point of recording a live album, thats
when you should look for another show to record.
-samiam
Rodrigo Andrade wrote in message <78h35v$5ph$1...@news4.wt.net>...
>>So, whats new? Lot's of bands do that!
>
>Rush didn't. Judas Priest didn't. Black Sabbath didn't. Joe Satriani
didn't.
>Yngwie Malmsteen didn't. Sepultura didn't. AC/DC didn't. Ozzy didn't.
>
>Any questions?
>
Curtis Rea
>>So, whats new? Lot's of bands do that!
>
>Rush didn't. Judas Priest didn't. Black Sabbath didn't. Joe Satriani
didn't.
>Yngwie Malmsteen didn't. Sepultura didn't. AC/DC didn't. Ozzy didn't.
It wouldn't surprise me if most of the bands you mentioned polished up their
live albums. Judas Priest definately did with Unleashed In The East (which
has been called Unleashed In The Studio). I'll be willing to bet that
roughly 90% of live albums have been touched up in one way or another.
>Any questions?
>
>I think that "polishing" live recordings is pathetic. Dammit, if the show
>sucked, just go ahead and record the next one. If Bruce fucked up on one
>song, so what? Just record another show, where he didn't fuck up.
I finally agree with something you have said!!!! One of the attractions for
me with live recordings is the fact that everything isn't perfect
(perfection can be found on the studio albums). If your giving me a live
album give it to me with warts and all.
Hawkey
The live cd and video from G3 was definately overdubbed !