Slayer Lawsuit!!
Michael Smith
I read in the paper today that Slayer is the target of a lawsuit.
Plaintiffs are the parents of a 15-year-old girl who was raped and beaten
up. They claim her attackers were inspired by Slayer lyrics.
I feel bad for the girl and for the parents but comeon...I've been
listening to Slayer for years and I've never been inspired to do anything
like that!!
And so we go through this bullshit again...in the 30's it was jazz, in
the 50's it was rock 'n' roll, in the 80's it was punk and metal, now
it's rap and speed/death. Every generation of parents needs a scapegoat.
Blessed Be,
Mike Smith
"Rise, hold fast your faith. To lie dormant is certain death."
-Slayer, "At Dawn They Sleep"
DISCLAIMER: My opinions do not necessarily, or even remotely, reflect
those of Loyola University, Chicago.
ck...@ix.netcom.com
met...@tezcat.com (Michael P. Hayes) wrote:
>C'mon, you think there are judges who are also Slayer fans?
>Maybe in the future, but not now.....
Actually, this is something that I'm really curious about, because
alot of us that grew up on metal in the '80's will start getting
(hopefully) professional jobs, and it will be interesting to see what
kind of an impact that has on metal being a "legitimate" type of
music. I'm sure it would be accepted as more than an adolescent phase
if some prominent people showed an interest or allegiance to metal.
As for me, I'm no where near being a judge, but I have finished law
school and am taking the Florida Bar Exam next Tuesday and Wednesday.
You can bet I'll still be thrashing long after I've been sworn in!!
Chris
Michael P. Hayes
The only similar case I had heard of recently was the one in Texas
where a state trooper was killed by some thug while Tupac was playing
on his car stereo. The thing that caught my attention was that both
the prosecution and the defense blamed Tupac for what had happened...
Does anyone out there know what happened to this case? It might set
some sort of precedent for this one.
..........
This topic has been covered and disproven in the past, and yet it still
continues because people fear that which they don't understand.
We can only hope that whoever presides over this case has enough
wisdom to separate the music from the crime, no matter how repugnant
he may find it (them).....
C'mon, you think there are judges who are also Slayer fans?
Maybe in the future, but not now.....
-- Mike
Supernaut
Michael P. Hayes (met...@tezcat.com) wrote:
: The only similar case I had heard of recently was the one in Texas
: where a state trooper was killed by some thug while Tupac was playing
: on his car stereo. The thing that caught my attention was that both
: the prosecution and the defense blamed Tupac for what had happened...
: Does anyone out there know what happened to this case? It might set
: some sort of precedent for this one.
I would think that the acquittal of Judas Priest would serve as a more
relevant precedent. They faced a similar frivolous lawsuit some years
ago.
I can certainly believe that an impressionable youth (or even an adult)
can be "inspired" by a favorite group's lyrics. However, the notion that
said band should be held responsible for the youth's actions, especially
in a country that claims to have something called freedom of speech, is
simply deplorable. But definitely not surprising.
-Steve
Guy Kendall
Supernaut wrote:
> I can certainly believe that an impressionable youth (or even an adult)
> can be "inspired" by a favorite group's lyrics. However, the notion that
> said band should be held responsible for the youth's actions, especially
> in a country that claims to have something called freedom of speech, is
> simply deplorable. But definitely not surprising.
No kidding. If they are going to try and hold bands responsible, then
they might as well hold every violent TV and movie producer responsible
for showing us violent acts.
--
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Symbios Logic, Inc. (Formerly NCR Microelectronics)
4420 ArrowsWest Drive Voice: 719-533-7518
Colorado Springs, CO 80907-3444 Fax: 719-533-7240
FUCK THE POLICE
ck...@ix.netcom.com took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
>As for me, I'm no where near being a judge, but I have finished law
>school and am taking the Florida Bar Exam next Tuesday and Wednesday.
Good luck dude.
GOAT
Supernaut
Philip Wang (pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Slayer doesn't have any lyrics about rape, do they? I can't think of any.
: The only song I can think of that has anything at all to do with sex by them
: is "Necrophiliac." Not really rape though.
"Sex, Murder, Art" from Divine Intervention.
: Our OS who art in CPU, UNIX be thy name.
: Thy programs run, thy syscalls done,
: In kernel as it is in user!
"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to recompile the kernel."
-Steve
Clint Torris
pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu (Philip Wang) wrote:
: >I read in the paper today that Slayer is the target of a lawsuit.
: >up. They claim her attackers were inspired by Slayer lyrics.
: Slayer doesn't have any lyrics about rape, do they? I can't think of any.
: The only song I can think of that has anything at all to do with sex by them
: is "Necrophiliac." Not really rape though.
Sex, Murder, Art
[...]
You're nothing
An object of animation
A subjective mannequin
Beaten into submission
Raping again and again
[...]
FUCK THE POLICE
>Sex, Murder, Art
Wow...I see the smart people in society have once again gotten control
of the lawsuits. FUCK!1!
GOAT
Leonid Makarovsky
Philip Wang (pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Slayer doesn't have any lyrics about rape, do they? I can't think of any.
Yes, something like that on the song #2 on Divine Intervention. Isn't it called
Sex, Murder and something....
--Leonid
Philip Wang
"Sex, Murder, Art" ? I know the lyrics to that but someone told me that it
was based on the band Genitorturers (and the same person told me they used to
be called Sex Murder Art before) and Tom Araya was said to have written the
song for Gennifer, which caused some tensions between Slayer and Morbid Angel
(because Gennifer is David Vincent's girlfriend).
Anyways that's what I heard and therefore I didn't consider "Sex, Murder, Art"
to be about rape but about a Genitorturers concert.
"Hey! | | ALL HAIL THE UNHOLY TRINITY |
Onions make me gassy! | | Hail ZORAK! |
I love to eat 'em though!" | --|-- Hail MOLTAR! --|--
- Brak | | HAIL BRAK! |
benLauter
go...@anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE) wrote:
>cto...@gonads.com (Clint Torris) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
>
>>pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu (Philip Wang) wrote:
>>: >I read in the paper today that Slayer is the target of a lawsuit.
>>: >Plaintiffs are the parents of a 15-year-old girl who was raped and beaten
>>: >up. They claim her attackers were inspired by Slayer lyrics.
>>:
>>: is "Necrophiliac." Not really rape though.
>
>>Sex, Murder, Art
>
>>[...]
>>You're nothing
>>An object of animation
>>A subjective mannequin
>>Beaten into submission
>>Raping again and again
>>[...]
>
Hey, there are a lot of stupid people out there. I'm not saying Slayer can't sing about what they
want, but often the problem seems to be personal responsibility. Kids and bandmembers ought to
BOTH show responsibility. Slayer aren't like some of the NOrweigen bands out there who do that
shit for real. Maybe instead of being a hardass in every interview Tom and co. ought to just
acknowledge that all that satanic stuff is an image and nothing more. Bands have to know that they
have a lot of power over the public, and fans have to know that it's only music. In the beginning,
Slayer were a cool band, but now I have to say they are just milking the formula (213, yet another
serial killer song)
It's a moron who'll go out and rape someone because of a song lyric. I am fully in favor of free
speech, but guys like Araya and Anselmo, good musicians or not, often feel the need to pretend that
what they sing about is real to them. It's called image, and I wish more fans got it. People on
this group sure do.
Ben
FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid SPAM
benLauter <benl...@worldnet.att.net> took a fat hit off a pipe and
wrote:
>Hey, there are a lot of stupid people out there. I'm not saying Slayer can't sing about what they
>want, but often the problem seems to be personal responsibility. Kids and bandmembers ought to
>BOTH show responsibility. Slayer aren't like some of the NOrweigen bands out there who do that
>shit for real. Maybe instead of being a hardass in every interview Tom and co. ought to just
>acknowledge that all that satanic stuff is an image and nothing more.
Bullshit. Art has the right to protect its metaphor, and in its state
of being the one form of information that doesn't aim at control of
your mind, the freedom to make metaphor as randomly as possible.
Slayer brought a lot more to modern philosophy with their Satan
analogues than any rock band before to since. Fuck the stupid cretins
who can't handle it; they should be triaged, along with the whiners
who decide that Slayer should proclaim their music is fake when it has
a message independent of fakery to communicate.
>It's a moron who'll go out and rape someone because of a song lyric. I am fully in favor of free
>speech, but guys like Araya and Anselmo, good musicians or not, often feel the need to pretend that
>what they sing about is real to them. It's called image, and I wish more fans got it. People on
>this group sure do.
I think it's more complex than you think. It's not all "image" for
Slayer and many other real metal bands, although AnusElbow is
obviously fake.
People who have trouble with the reality of art should listen to truly
bogus music like Nazi rock/Christian metal.
GOAT
M.Babinski
Philip Wang wrote:
>
> In article <4tih4s$d...@news.bu.edu>, Leonid Makarovsky <ve...@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
> >Philip Wang (pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> >
> >
> >Sex, Murder and something....
> >
>
> "Sex, Murder, Art" ? I know the lyrics to that but someone told me that it
> was based on the band Genitorturers (and the same person told me they used to
> be called Sex Murder Art before) and Tom Araya was said to have written the
> song for Gennifer, which caused some tensions between Slayer and Morbid Angel
> (because Gennifer is David Vincent's girlfriend).
>
> Anyways that's what I heard and therefore I didn't consider "Sex, Murder, Art"
> to be about rape but about a Genitorturers concert.
Araya wore a t-shirt with "Sex.Murder.Art." on it back in 1990.
I thought Genitortures didn't yet exist back then, but I could be wrong...
Sybren
Mike Mumper
In article <31F803...@fuse.net>, mike hurst <ma...@fuse.net> says:
>
>Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>> I read in the paper today that Slayer is the target of a lawsuit.
>> Plaintiffs are the parents of a 15-year-old girl who was raped and beaten
>> up. They claim her attackers were inspired by Slayer lyrics.
>
>Stained Class by Priest. Fucked up people do fucked up things period. If
>Slayer had never existed then that girl would have still had to undergo
>her horrible ordeal, because whoever did it has problems that extend far
>beyond music.
Well put. I've just about had it with people blaming anyone and
everyone else for their fucked-up actions (like my ex-girlfriend, but that's
a 50-page story). If it wasn't Slayer, then they would have found someone
or something else.
Mike Mumper
mad...@epix.net
"Base not your joy upon the deeds of others, for what is given can be
taken away. No hope = No fear"
---- Peter Steele
Eric German
1) MTV reported that the offending song was "Kill Again" - "watch the blood
flow free"
2) What legal theory are these cases brought under? Negligence? I
thought negligence required a showing that
the offender failed to take reasonable care. I think that it can be shown to
be beyond reasonable precaution to force n artist to modify her art because
smeone might decide it inspires them to kill.
Eric
Leonid Makarovsky (ve...@cs.bu.edu) wrote:
: Philip Wang (pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : Slayer doesn't have any lyrics about rape, do they? I can't think of any.
: Yes, something like that on the song #2 on Divine Intervention. Isn't it called
: Sex, Murder and something....
: --Leonid
blawlor
In article <31FD56...@lr.tudelft.nl>, "M.Babinski" <M.Bab...@lr.tudelft.nl> says:
>
>Philip Wang wrote:
>>
>> >Philip Wang (pw...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>> >
>> >: Slayer doesn't have any lyrics about rape, do they? I can't think of any.
>> >
>> >Yes, something like that on the song #2 on Divine Intervention. Isn't it called
>> >Sex, Murder and something....
>> >
>>
>> was based on the band Genitorturers (and the same person told me they used to
>> be called Sex Murder Art before) and Tom Araya was said to have written the
>> song for Gennifer, which caused some tensions between Slayer and Morbid Angel
>> (because Gennifer is David Vincent's girlfriend).
>>
>> Anyways that's what I heard and therefore I didn't consider "Sex, Murder, Art"
>> to be about rape but about a Genitorturers concert.
>
>Araya wore a t-shirt with "Sex.Murder.Art." on it back in 1990.
>I thought Genitortures didn't yet exist back then, but I could be wrong...
>
>Sybren
The point of these lawsuits (which have also been named against DEICIDE,
CANNIBAL CORPSE, and MORRISOUND STUDIOS - heresay, but from a very reliable
source) is not to win, but to destroy the band. Most of the time the people
suing the bands are backed up with organizations with more money than the
band or thier label. In the late eighties the DAYGLO ABORTIONS fought and
won a lawsuit like similar to these but went broke in the process, as did
thier record label FRINGE...
FIGHT CENSORSHIP, this is what its all about!
Casey Larsen
Metallica was part of a blame for the recent "Robin Hood hills" killings.
If you watch the documentary on HBO called "Paradise Lost", you will see,
that they tried to use Metallica's music as a source for the killers to
commit murder. Very Fucked up! Pisses me off. Why don't they blame Rap
music on all the killings in L.A. and such? It's not fucking fair.
Eric Christopherson
Casey Larsen (caseyl) wrote:
: Why don't they blame Rap
: music on all the killings in L.A. and such? It's not fucking fair.
-eric-
Toni Järvinen
By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
Toni
Jeff Barnes
Casey Larsen <caseyl> wrote:
: Why don't they blame Rap
: music on all the killings in L.A. and such? It's not fucking fair.
Why blame anything? Fuck blame, it's just weakness in another form.
Jeff
---
"Fuck Christ and smear black shit in God's face" -President Ronald Reagan
rasmus ekman
Here are a few snips from a longish exclusive interview in Swedish
metal mag Close-Up #18 (Summer 96), pp 99-104 (my retranslation):
Arya: I saw a TV show here in the US recently; "Prophecies". It was
about
various people and their thoughts about the end of the world. /.../
Everybody agreed - the time has come.
Interviwer: To me this sounds as if you're becoming religious.
A: No, I've always been religious!
I: What? You believe in God?
A: I have to. It sounds strange, but He is the only one who can permit
this to happen. That's how I see it. I know it sounds strange hearing
me say so, but I think there is a reason why we do things. /.../
I: And we just agreed that Slayer could be viewed as the Satan of rock.
A: Yes... it sounds strange. I hope kids don't take this completely out
of context. I believe in what I do, in the songs and the lyrics that I
write. /.../ But I must have a faith, a faith in something. I believe
in myself, I believe in my band, but there is something else that
controls everything. /.../
I: Do you go to church?
A: No my Mom and Dad go for me. Haha!
/.../
I: You have flirted a lot with reversed crosses and other symbols of
the devil.
A: The things we've done, the image we have, and the things I've been
singing about, obviously condemns me to Hell. I have confessed
this, and realised that the day will come when I meet my creator.
He decides what is right and wrong, and what my destiny is.
*********************-------------***********************
You didn't expect this, did you?
re
FUCK THE POLICE
ez05...@george.ucdavis.edu (Eric Christopherson) took a fat hit off a
pipe and wrote:
>Casey Larsen (caseyl) wrote:
>: Why don't they blame Rap
>: music on all the killings in L.A. and such? It's not fucking fair.
>
>Um, they do...
Yeah, where's Tupac's lawyer when we need him to explain all this
shit? They blame everyone, but metal are the ones to get lawsuits
more than getting thrown in jail. Seems to be some police <-> black
Americans problems...hmm. Wonder why that would come about?
And they wonder why people 'enjoy' the alienated taste of Slayer's
music!
GOAT
Richard Stuart
In article <31FEA3...@hexagon.se>
rasmus...@hexagon.se "rasmus ekman" writes:
> I: You have flirted a lot with reversed crosses and other symbols of
> the devil.
>
> A: The things we've done, the image we have, and the things I've been
> singing about, obviously condemns me to Hell. I have confessed
> this, and realised that the day will come when I meet my creator.
> He decides what is right and wrong, and what my destiny is.
>
> *********************-------------***********************
>
> You didn't expect this, did you?
In fact, this isn't the first time he's admitted this in an
interview... I've seen him say something similar before. At
first I thought it could be a wind-up, but he does seem to
be sincere... not that I'm exactly Slayer's biggest fan
anyway, so it matters not whit to me.
-Ricks
_________________________________________________________________
NO FUN... NO CORE... NO MOSH... NO TRENDS
"The urge... so strong, to do the devil's work..." -Darkthrone
_________________________________________________________________
Michael P. Hayes
Supernaut (scha...@moran.Mines.EDU) wrote:
: Michael P. Hayes (met...@tezcat.com) wrote:
: : The only similar case I had heard of recently was the one in Texas
: : where a state trooper was killed by some thug while Tupac was playing
: : on his car stereo. The thing that caught my attention was that both
: : the prosecution and the defense blamed Tupac for what had happened...
: : Does anyone out there know what happened to this case? It might set
: : some sort of precedent for this one.
:
: I would think that the acquittal of Judas Priest would serve as a more
: relevant precedent. They faced a similar frivolous lawsuit some years
: ago.
I was aware of the JP case, but I didn't think that one was as relevant
here because it involved suicide, not homicide.....
: I can certainly believe that an impressionable youth (or even an adult)
: can be "inspired" by a favorite group's lyrics. However, the notion that
: said band should be held responsible for the youth's actions, especially
: in a country that claims to have something called freedom of speech, is
: simply deplorable. But definitely not surprising.
You, me, and everyone else in this newsgroup, as well as a lot of
other people, believe this, but saying it here is like preaching to
the converted.
As someone else in this thread noted, the object of this lawsuit may
not be to win directly, but to drag this case on and on until Slayer
faces massive legal bills, and can't afford to continue. Slayer
might have a Pyhrric victory, but the plaintiffs would indirectly
win in the end if the group were to break up.
After all, you can't make assumptions based on "common sense" here
because "common sense" said last October that O.J. would be convicted
of at least *something*.....
Just my two bits,
-- Mike
The White Devil
Toni Järvinen wrote:
>
> By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
>
> Toni
This I can answer.
We here in the U.S. have a huge problem with admitting personal responsibility.
Example 1: Some crazy old bags wedges a hot cup of coffee between her legs, then
spills it on herself. That's not her fault, it's the fault of the restaurant that sold
it to her! In this case, McDonalds. The coffee was too hot! (I think she won $2.2
million USD)
Example 2: Some stupid brat with a psychiatric record longer than most pulp
novels spontaneously decides to off himself. But that's not his fault, it's the fault of
Dungeons and Dragons, which he played for about a year between suicide attempts!
Example 3: See slayer lawsuit, and all relevant previous posts.
Y'see, no one wants to admit that their (friend, grandma, son) is an idiot.
Therefore, they invent a ridiculous cause for their actions - music lyrics or a
role-playing game, for example. Our media likes making victims of people; they try to
pin the blame on any convenient scapegoat. NBC ran a made-for-TV movie that showed a
supposedly ordinary kid going crazy in direct proportion to how often he played Dungeons
and Dragons. Sounds stupid? Well, in a culture that praises victims for sharing their
stories, people believe it! Are they victims of backwards messages in a Judas Priest
song? Role-playing games? Okay, all the better! Is their story true? The media here does
not care.
Now, why just in the U.S.?
That's easy. We're the only country where anyone can say anything, no matter HOW
stupid, and end up on national television. Take that, and add to it the praise for
victims of all sorts, and you'll find that the two combined can cause people to believe
just about ANY "victim"'s story. No matter how stupid.
The White Devil
Dieter Jabs wrote:
> >"Sex, Murder, Art" ? I know the lyrics to that but someone told me that it
> >was based on the band Genitorturers (and the same person told me they used to
> >be called Sex Murder Art before) and Tom Araya was said to have written the
> >song for Gennifer, which caused some tensions between Slayer and Morbid Angel
> >(because Gennifer is David Vincent's girlfriend).
>
> This isnt about Slayer but Morbid Angel. Apparently Dave Vincent has left MA
> and joined the Genitorturers. Is this true???
Yes.
And I thought Gen from the Genitorturers was his wife, not his girlfriend. (Am I
wrong on this one? Anyone?)
leda
In article <320058...@uwwvax.uww.edu>, The White Devil <jone...@uwwvax.uww.edu> says:
>Toni Järvinen wrote:
>> By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
>> Toni
> This I can answer.
> We here in the U.S. have a huge problem with admitting personal responsibility.
--
| All the swans have left /^in hoc Cygno vinces^\
_|_ and now it's just cold.
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FUCK THE POLICE
met...@tezcat.com (Michael P. Hayes) took a fat hit off a pipe and
wrote:
>After all, you can't make assumptions based on "common sense" here
>because "common sense" said last October that O.J. would be convicted
>of at least *something*.....
No way man. Common sense says they'll never convict a black man in a
high publicity case in Los Angeles; they learned with Rodney King how
dangerous the results could be!
They will continue to club the anonymous of all colours into
submission so long as the cameras aren't there.
I hate society,
GOAT
bru...@mit.edu
rasmus ekman <rasmus...@hexagon.se> wrote:
> You didn't expect this, did you?
It's not totally surprising. He may be just claiming to be a christian
because he (or Slayer) is tired of putting up with the accustaion that they
are satanists. On the other hand, there are hints of christianity, for
example the line "Before you see the light you must die" from South Of
Heaven (lyrics by Araya), "seeing the light" being something christian.
Even if he truly is a christian, so what? The problem isn't christians
making music, the problem occurs when the music suffers because of the
religion.
"First I'll choke you 'til you puke, then I'll gouge your eyes
Then it's time to break your spine, my promises aren't lies
And when you think it's over, and my debt is paid
I'll smash your face to pieces, with my trusty spade" -- Razor
Sacha Varma
In article <4tlmhm$d...@hpcvsnz.cv.hp.com>, Casey Larsen <caseyl> writes:
|> Metallica was part of a blame for the recent "Robin Hood hills" killings.
|> If you watch the documentary on HBO called "Paradise Lost", you will see,
|> that they tried to use Metallica's music as a source for the killers to
|> commit murder. Very Fucked up! Pisses me off. Why don't they blame Rap
|> music on all the killings in L.A. and such? It's not fucking fair.
Woah! The point is we should not blame music at all. Even though people are
impressionable you have to be a bit psycho in the first place to kill
someone just because X has written a song about killing people.
--
" His satellite eyes / burn holes in your lives " METAGOD
Scott Jobson
Toni Järvinen (postm...@slayer.pp.fi) wrote:
: By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
:
: Toni
because, the US of A is the only place with such fucked up litigation
laws... fuck anyone who wants to blame music or tv when it is perfectly
clear that human nature and stupidity (was that redundant?) are the real
causes of crimes and such.
whatever,
lazyj
BRETT BENZIE
On 5 Aug 1996, Scott Jobson wrote:
> Toni J=E4rvinen (postm...@slayer.pp.fi) wrote:
> : By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
> because, the US of A is the only place with such fucked up litigation
> laws... fuck anyone who wants to blame music or tv when it is perfectly
> clear that human nature and stupidity (was that redundant?) are the real
> causes of crimes and such.
true, but don't make it sound like Australia doesnt have any fucked
laws...remember how all those deathmetal CDs got banned a couple of years
ago? they'd still be policing that ban if customs wasnt so
short-of-staff...america's trouble is the laws are so open to
abuse...couple that with its hilarious abundance of lawyers/baristers...
i've seen old movies where a cup of coffee and an "gee sorry bout that"
made up for a slip on the polished floor....not any more...its funny how
the "claiments" have the balls to call themselves "opportunists" too...
/}
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ck...@ix.netcom.com
BRETT BENZIE <n152...@sparrow.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>On 5 Aug 1996, Scott Jobson wrote:
..america's trouble is the laws are so open to
>abuse...couple that with its hilarious abundance of lawyers/baristers...
I admit that attorneys have been part of the problem, but I think the
real problem goes back to the stupidity of the masses. I studied a
trial in which someone was injured on a NY sidewalk playing softball,
sued the city for $1 million, and was awarded $200,000 by a JURY of
idiots in NY, even though the defense offered evidence that the guy
who supposedly broke his ankle and was out of work for 6 months played
in 20 of his team's next 25 games. Explain that? His attorney's job
is to try to get him the biggest recovery he can, and that's what he
did. But it's up to the citizens to send a message to people like
that by not awarding them ANYTHING! Then, maybe they'll reconsider
filing suit.
Chris
FUCK THE POLICE
ck...@ix.netcom.com took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
>I admit that attorneys have been part of the problem, but I think the
>real problem goes back to the stupidity of the masses. I studied a
>trial in which someone was injured on a NY sidewalk playing softball,
>sued the city for $1 million, and was awarded $200,000 by a JURY of
>idiots in NY, even though the defense offered evidence that the guy
>who supposedly broke his ankle and was out of work for 6 months played
>in 20 of his team's next 25 games. Explain that? His attorney's job
>is to try to get him the biggest recovery he can, and that's what he
>did. But it's up to the citizens to send a message to people like
>that by not awarding them ANYTHING! Then, maybe they'll reconsider
>filing suit.
Interesting. I also favor the countersuit, which essentially paves
your plaintiff with legal fees. It's even worse if you have a car,
because every cheeseball with no money tries to rip you off. If
you're ever in an accident and they make a big deal out of it, you
know they're thinking of their own greed - fucking run them over and
drive away, as the chances are less you'll get caught for murder than
get sued into oblivion.
GOAT
Patrick J. Mccartney
Boy, you think you're an expert on evrything, don't ya dick head?!? I don't understand
how morons like you even know how to turn on a computer. Go to heaven you sick bastard!
FUCK YOU!
PM
Scott Jobson
BRETT BENZIE (n152...@sparrow.qut.edu.au) wrote:
: > : By the way, why this kind of shit can happen only in US of A????????
: > because, the US of A is the only place with such fucked up litigation
: > laws... fuck anyone who wants to blame music or tv when it is perfectly
: > clear that human nature and stupidity (was that redundant?) are the real
: > causes of crimes and such.
:
: true, but don't make it sound like Australia doesnt have any fucked
: laws...remember how all those deathmetal CDs got banned a couple of years
: ago? they'd still be policing that ban if customs wasnt so
: abuse...couple that with its hilarious abundance of lawyers/baristers...
: made up for a slip on the polished floor....not any more...its funny how
: the "claiments" have the balls to call themselves "opportunists" too...
yeah, but litigation laws in particular are the ones in question here..
sure australia has some very fucked-up laws (i can't think of anywhere
just offhand that doesn't)... seems to be that there's no such thing as
a justice system...only a legal system which mocks justice to the point
of ridicule.
lazyj
:
Jouni Juntunen
Some guy(s) wrote follow-ups:
>> We here in the U.S. have a huge problem with admitting personal responsibility.
>But it's not my fault.
and saved my day!!! Thanks.
Regards from Oz
Jouni
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