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Stephen Scheck

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Jan 2, 1995, 12:49:04 AM1/2/95
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What exactly is the definition of thrash, and how does it differ from
speed metal? I've always used the terms interchangeably, but I've noticed
people in these newsgroups classify bands as thrash, or speed. Also, how
about the difference between grindcore and death? Examples of bands in
each genre would be appreciated.

Steve
dsc...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu

herbe...@delphi.com

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Jan 3, 1995, 1:57:25 AM1/3/95
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I've finally come to the conclusion that there is no real
difference between "thrash" and "speed" metal. Some people
would use speed metal to define something that is almost always
high speed (like Kreator) but then I've heard people classify
Metallica as speed metal. Different people have their own
definitions. I prefer thrash, because it doesn't merely imply
speed, and it's ambiguous enough to be left open.
But don't forget - It's all rock 'n' roll... (well, sorta)

Chuck

Brian Farmer

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Jan 3, 1995, 5:18:44 AM1/3/95
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Death metal - downtuned guitars, more emphasis on musicianship than
grindcore, solos of a generally frenetic nature, guttural vocals,
lyrics about death/evil/pain/suffering/etc., for anything after about
1989 lots of blastbeats, slow/mosh parts, on and on...good examples,
IMO, being Suffocation, Gorguts, Oppressor, Sinister... possibly
Cannibal Corpse, depending on your taste.

Grindcore - less emphasis on muscianship, no guitar solos, a more punk
aesthetic (just enough music to fit the lyrics),
guttural/screamed/incomprehensible vocals,
political/personal/social/anti-war/eco lyrics, the speed varying
depensding on the style - the stenchcore bands sound more like
Discharge type punk while the "actual" grindcore bands use blast beats
almost exclusively. Examples: Napalm Death (From Enslavement.... and
Scum), Disrupt, Assuck, Agathocles. DropDead. For stench core look to
any of the legions of Discharge clones like Disgust, (debatably
Disrupt) or the ENT style bands like Amen...

Can't really help with the Thrash/Speed thing, sorry.

[grievous]
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CRUCIFY PAUL HILL

SG...@cunyvm.cuny.edu

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Jan 12, 1995, 3:24:59 PM1/12/95
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I always thought thrash and speed were the same thing: most people define
Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer as this. Death metal and grindcore I
always thought were synonymous, as well: Bands like Entombed, Carcass, Napalm
Death, Bolt Thrower, etc. (Check out the death metal postings)

Renee

Evil

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Jan 13, 1995, 1:33:48 AM1/13/95
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metal punk
---- ----
speed/death thrash/grind

- svn

Chris Morris

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Jan 23, 1995, 12:09:26 PM1/23/95
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SG...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU %a %d :
: I always thought thrash and speed were the same thing: most people define

: Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer as this. Death metal and grindcore I
: always thought were synonymous, as well: Bands like Entombed, Carcass, Napalm
: Death, Bolt Thrower, etc. (Check out the death metal postings)

Isn't it silly to go round putting music into type's
surley all that is important is if you like it or not!
I mean does it really matter.

Max is my cat

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Jan 25, 1995, 11:07:28 PM1/25/95
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cr...@glue.umd.edu (Colin Raymend Rose) stated:
>
>Well...
>
>Original Death Metal:
> Slayer, (one other band that escapes me), ONLY ONE!!!

uhh, what about Venom?

>
>Once classified as Death Metal:
> Testament's first album...a few others.
>
>Death Metal:
> Death, Napalm Death, Obituary, Cracass, Cannibal Corpse, Entombed,
> Morbid Angel.
>
>Grindcore:
> Cathedral, Disharmonic Orchestra, Gorgoth.

huh? cathedral is grindcore? disharmonic orchestsra grindcore?

>
>Speed Metal:
> Metallica (old), Nuclear Assault.
>
>Just a few, but additions are welcome.
>
>Colin
>

I don't know ifd I agree with all of what you said, but oh well, who am I
to talk :)

*steve


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Ben Lauter

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Jan 27, 1995, 1:27:13 PM1/27/95
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I was wondering, because I have heard a lot of people who would pay like
between $30-60 for a sealed copy of the firts Body Count album with the Cop
Killer song on it, is is worth anything still wrapped? I have a copy of the
album on tape that is still sealed. Is anyone out there a BC fan? I don't
like the new album too much, but the first one was really cool!!! Body
Count's in the House!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Ben

Stacy Z Puskar

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Jan 30, 1995, 3:44:48 PM1/30/95
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r


Speaking of bands geting banded.. I just read CANNIBAL CORPSE f got
banned from playing in germany.. Because of there covers, and song
titles.. What a crock of shit... Also in the article they were talking
about how CC got the spot in Ace Ventura... Turns out Jim Carey (Dork)
loves DEATH metal... I still think carey is an idiot, But this raises
his standereds .... heheh... Can't Beleive he likes something like
corpse.. wow.. Whats the worl d coming to?

Bands You Should Listen To:
---------------------------
Grave / MachineHead / Life Of Agont / Amorphis /Carcass / NapalmDeath


Gino Filicetti

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Feb 2, 1995, 3:50:26 PM2/2/95
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Colin Raymend Rose (cr...@glue.umd.edu) wrote:

: Well...

: Original Death Metal:
: Slayer, (one other band that escapes me), ONLY ONE!!!

Ok dude, I know the band that 'escapes' you!! It none other than the
Almighty:

***** V E N O M ***** Cronos, Mantas and Abaddon, the true innovators
of ALL thrash/death/speed/black/grindcore/power METAL!!!

: Death Metal:


: Death, Napalm Death, Obituary, Cracass, Cannibal Corpse, Entombed,
: Morbid Angel.

: Grindcore:
: Cathedral, Disharmonic Orchestra, Gorgoth.

Ok dude, here you made a little mistake, Cathedral is not grindcore, they
are more death kind of, and Napalm and Carcass (stuff before 'Heartwork')
are grindcore, along with Bolt Thrower who you missed totally.

: Speed Metal:
: Metallica (old), Nuclear Assault.

And don't forget old Anthrax.

-----> Death Incarnate

IRON MAIDEN RULES !!

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Feb 2, 1995, 4:53:54 PM2/2/95
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In article <1995Jan26.0...@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter) writes:
>
> I just wanted to find out if anyone has been inspired by the guitarists Dave
> and Adrian of Iron Maiden and Andy and Pete from King Diamond? These are
> guitarists who have been vastly underrated and I think deserve more
> recognition. Dave and Andy alone can play rings around Kirk "wah-wah"
> Hammett or J. Yuenger from White Zombie.
>
> Come on, if you love 'em and you know it clap your modem!!!
> Ben

Oh yeah- Murray and Smith!!! Early Maiden showcased Davey, but the later
efforts of Adrian showed he had evolved into a very good guitarist; I'll not
go overboard and say "god". I really enjoy Adrian as a guitarist, a singer-
sure, he wasn't "THE GREATEST", but he did a nice job on A.S.A.P.- and I
especially like his songwriting ability. He and Dave were "great" because
they were friends and worked well as a team- like Tipton and Downing. So
yeah, Adrian would rate in my top 5.

Chris

Stacy Z Puskar

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Feb 3, 1995, 12:12:49 AM2/3/95
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MAIDEN SUCKS...

Thats all I have to say...

BANDS U SHOULD LISTEN T:
------------------------
Carcass / Napalm Death / Burzum / Life Of Agony / Cannibal Corpse /
Death / Disincarnate / Brutal Thriuth / EnTombed / Grave / Amorphis

Matt Hachigian

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Feb 3, 1995, 12:33:53 AM2/3/95
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> MAIDEN SUCKS...

YES!!!! FINALLY..someone who knows what they are talking about!!
GO, GO, GO....

Nasacryst

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Matt Hachigian

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Feb 3, 1995, 12:36:33 AM2/3/95
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I write this as I watch Megadeth on Letterman..
All I have is one word for this...

A-bunch-a-crap!!

these guys really suck! really! just bad news!

Nasacryst

Frederick W. Reimer

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Feb 3, 1995, 7:07:41 AM2/3/95
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Matt Hachigian (mhac...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: I write this as I watch Megadeth on Letterman..

: All I have is one word for this...
: A-bunch-a-crap!!
: these guys really suck! really! just bad news!

I saw it too. I don't think it was them. Just their soundsystem and
monitors. Did you see Mustaine holding his ear (to hear himself) during
their last song? There were a couple of times that Ellefson (bass) went
back to the drums. I've seen bass players do this kind of thing before.
It always seems to happen when someone is off-beat or the tempo is
getting screwy.

IMHO, I don't think they looked overjoyed to be there...or maybe their
sound got them down.... They are still a great band, though. Everyone has
an "off" night.


Patty (on hubby's account)


Benjamin Richardson

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Feb 3, 1995, 8:07:34 PM2/3/95
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> > MAIDEN SUCKS...

That's not fair. Consider the music they were playing when they
started. They were one of the heaviest bands out there. For that they
deserve your respect. Sure, they haven't done anything worthwhile in
years, but they were great once.

> > Thats all I have to say...
> >BANDS U SHOULD LISTEN T:
> >------------------------
> >Carcass / Napalm Death / Burzum / Life Of Agony / Cannibal Corpse /
> >Death / Disincarnate / Brutal Thriuth / EnTombed / Grave / Amorphis

Life Of Agony!? They're shit. They were practically booed of stage when
I saw them open for Carcass.

Ben

"Lyrics warp your children's minds. Just a minute now, that's our job."
-Jello Biafra

Jim

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Feb 4, 1995, 4:08:41 AM2/4/95
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Stacy Z Puskar (sz...@pitt.edu) wrote:
: r

Boy, you are a stupid motherfucker. Without Maiden none of those bands
you listen to would exist. Plus, Maiden is just as "heavy" as any of
those bands. They are ten times as musically original as Cannibal
Corpse. While I like Carcass, Amorphis, Death, Grave, Napalm Death and
Burzum, Maiden is just as good. So get a fucking clue and up the irons!


Matt Hachigian

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Feb 4, 1995, 11:45:19 AM2/4/95
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In article <3gvg6p$q...@news.ycc.yale.edu> 88...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jim) writes:
>
>: MAIDEN SUCKS...
>:
>
>Boy, you are a stupid motherfucker. Without Maiden none of those bands
>you listen to would exist.

Oh well...maybe you're right Jim, but....they still suck!
No two ways about it. Just plain old wimpy music.
ANd YES, I have heard a lot by them, none of which I enjoyed at all.

Nasacryst
(Finally getting back to posting)

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Philip Wang

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Feb 4, 1995, 12:23:21 PM2/4/95
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>Oh well...maybe you're right Jim, but....they still suck!
>No two ways about it. Just plain old wimpy music.
>ANd YES, I have heard a lot by them, none of which I enjoyed at all.


OK, here it is - yes!! We have found the ultimate way to discern good music
from bad. If Nasacryst says it sucks, it must therefore be bad. He didn't enjoy
it - so that means the band has no talent whatsoever. We should all dump our
CD collections that consist of anything he doesn't like because it's just not
good at all.


"The weather did very little to improve my mood. The rain slashed down like
sheets of steel. The thunder crashed like angry gods bumping into each other
in the express lane at the supermarket. The ocean heaved and rolled...like
some great heaving, rolling thing." - Ralph Rowan, from Babe by John Byrne

Kneel

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Feb 4, 1995, 3:19:36 PM2/4/95
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Hey Phil...you suck! That's it..you suck!
No ifs, and, or buts.
you suck!


Stacy Z Puskar

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Feb 4, 1995, 3:24:49 PM2/4/95
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r

Sorry Dude.. Not to burst your bubble... but Iron Madien had no
influence on any of those bands...

Screw the irons.. Maiden is bporing.. And Talentless..


Matt Hachigian

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Feb 4, 1995, 3:27:34 PM2/4/95
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In article <3h0d69$p...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> pw...@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip Wang) writes:

>from bad. If Nasacryst says it sucks, it must therefore be bad. He didn't enjoy

FINALLY, PHIL, you understand! It took awhile, but, my man, you did it!
Three cheers for WANG, hip, hip, HORRAY!
WANG WANG WANG!!!

Nasacryst

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Philip Wang

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Feb 4, 1995, 7:43:11 PM2/4/95
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In article <3h0nqh$f...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
People throw around this word "talentless" - do you know what that word means?
If people in music were talentless they couldn't possibly last 5 seconds in
the business. Even bands like Nirvana and Traffic had talent somewhere or else
they couldn't even be signed to record companies (the only surefire way to make
some sort of a profit is to make sure you back up someone with some level of
talent).

As lousy as I think Cannibal Corpse are, I bet that even those guys have
talent somewhere. It's not like Metal Blade Records is as big as EMI - you
think they can afford to sign some truly clueless band? I bet even Haunted
Garage had some sort of talent (but maybe not since they didn't make a second
album. That's a hard one to call).

Now Maiden basically defined 1980s metal - you think that's talentless? Boring?
An entire decade of metal inspired by one band (not one band alone, but a lot
of rhythms and twin guitar orchestration and even singing was strongly
Maidenish - you can hear it in everything from Helloween to Unleashed).

I'd like to see you (Stacy) come up with a band that records or writes stuff.
It's so easy to brand someone you don't like as talentless but I want to see
you do better. (Yes, I have a band, we're writing, we're recording - maybe
we're not better than any of the bands I mentioned, maybe we suck more than
Cannibal Corpse does, but maybe not - at least we're doing something and making
our contributions to music besides a Beavis And Butthead "you suck" chant)

Philip Wang

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Feb 4, 1995, 8:32:05 PM2/4/95
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In article <3h0ngo$e...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Kneel <Kneel...@lahon.parkridge.il.usa> wrote:
^^^^^

>Hey Phil...you suck! That's it..you suck!
>No ifs, and, or buts.
>you suck!
>
>

This is coming from a guy who nicknames himself "Kneel" ????

Mike Hill

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Feb 4, 1995, 8:44:21 PM2/4/95
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Frederick W. Reimer (fwre...@crl.com) wrote:

Megadeth doesn't have an off night.. see their live show.. they are
probably the best band at playing live.. almost all the tracks on
"Youthanasia" were recording in 1 take, and the whole band was playing
together...


joseph richard koleszar

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Feb 4, 1995, 8:45:15 PM2/4/95
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In article <3h0d69$p...@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,

You may have hit on something there. I find that I kind of like most of
the stuff that he trashes (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, etc...).

Joe "Anti-Nasacryst" Koleszar
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jkol...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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Philip Wang

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Feb 4, 1995, 9:57:22 PM2/4/95
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>You may have hit on something there. I find that I kind of like most of
>the stuff that he trashes (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, etc...).
>
I was being somewhat facetious when I wrote what I did though. I like a good
bit of the stuff Nasacryst likes but I'm not insanely into it mostly because
I hate punk and most things related to punk (of course there are some
exceptions) and I don't really find grindcore very interesting unless the
band does some noise here and there too or death. Actually I might be starting
to confuse Nasacryst and Eradicator by now.

NEFARiOUS

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Feb 5, 1995, 3:22:36 AM2/5/95
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In article <3gvg6p$q...@news.ycc.yale.edu> 88...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jim) writes:
>Stacy Z Puskar (sz...@pitt.edu) wrote:
>
>: BANDS U SHOULD LISTEN T:
>: ------------------------
>: Carcass / Napalm Death / Burzum / Life Of Agony / Cannibal Corpse /
>: Death / Disincarnate / Brutal Thriuth / EnTombed / Grave / Amorphis
>
>Boy, you are a stupid motherfucker. Without Maiden none of those bands
>you listen to would exist. Plus, Maiden is just as "heavy" as any of

This is not true. I've never listened to Iron Maiden and my (death metal)
band exists. How do you explain that?

GOAT IS LORD

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Feb 5, 1995, 4:13:41 AM2/5/95
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>Megadeth doesn't have an off night.. see their live show.. they are
>probably the best band at playing live.. almost all the tracks on
>"Youthanasia" were recording in 1 take, and the whole band was playing
>together...

sheeeeit...we know they're commies and that mustaine plays the whole
damn thing on synthesizer. hell, we also know that dave mustaine did the
vocals for both mayhem's "de mysteriis dom saathanas" and tiamat's "wildhoney."
give that boy a christ lollipop!

- svn

GOAT IS LORD

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Feb 5, 1995, 4:15:31 AM2/5/95
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>While I like Carcass, Amorphis, Death, Grave, Napalm Death and
>Burzum, Maiden is just as good. So get a fucking clue and up the irons!

for those of you who fit the description above, there are some
maidenish things that don't sound like maiden but exhibit many of the same
musical ideals:

at the gates - terminal spirit disease
sacramentum - finis malorum
newer therion
dissection - the somberlain
sentenced - amok

- goat

Beth Magennis

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Feb 5, 1995, 1:49:02 PM2/5/95
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In article <3h21sc$8...@newstand.syr.edu>,
Boy, are you clueless.. I feel stupid even HAVING to explain this, but I
guarantee you that you've listened to a band that has listened to Maiden,
or listened to a band that listened to a band that was influenced by
Maiden. Do you think that everything you DO listen to evolved
independently of the rest of the world? Well, it did NOT.

FeaR

Lars Syrstad

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Feb 5, 1995, 2:36:39 PM2/5/95
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Matt Hachigian (mhac...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

[Drivel deleted.]

: Nasacryst


: (Finally getting back to posting)

Would you mind going back to NOT posting? I was beginning to appreciate
the silence.

- Lars.
--
See the red 'messiah' high upon a soap-box pulpit,
agitating his apostles with the gospels in his hands,
while apprentice Hitlers gather down in inner city subways,
to immortalise their ignorance with aerosol spray cans. ( - Skyclad )

Matt Hachigian

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Feb 5, 1995, 4:56:38 PM2/5/95
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In article <3h39c7$5...@due.unit.no> l...@pvv.unit.no (Lars Syrstad) writes:

>
>Would you mind going back to NOT posting? I was beginning to appreciate
>the silence.
>
> - Lars.

HELL NO son! Now that I remember how much fun it is to express
my opinions, I am going to post like crazy! And I have to thank
LARS here for making me realize it. Lars, if it wasn't for you,
I would not have come back to the world of posting. Thanks Lars!
Let's hear it for Syrstad! Yeahhh...

Nasacryst

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Matt Hachigian

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Feb 5, 1995, 4:59:41 PM2/5/95
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In article <D3JIx...@mv.mv.com> bmag...@mv.mv.com (Beth Magennis) writes:

>Maiden. Do you think that everything you DO listen to evolved
>independently of the rest of the world? Well, it did NOT.
>

Yes, it evolved from bands BEFORE MAIDEN! Maiden isn't what brought me
my death metal. If you REALLY want to go back, the Africans beating on
hollowed out logs WAY BACK WHEN brought all of us our music!
You have a real good point Magennis.

Nasacryst


Blitz

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Feb 5, 1995, 6:52:05 PM2/5/95
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In article <3h21sc$8...@newstand.syr.edu>,
NEFARiOUS <pjka...@mothra.syr.edu> wrote:


Me too. I never listened to Maiden and my music still exits.
Actually I've listened a few times in the past. Shit... that's probably
why my music exists. Oops, sorry bout that.

What a fucking asshole! Everyone bow down to Maiden. They are gods.
/
/ / /| | / /---- /-\
/ / / | | / / / \
/___ / /__| | / /___ /___ /
// / | / / / \
// / | / /____ / \
//_____ / \
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Any fucking ways.

Giselle Cloutier

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Feb 5, 1995, 9:42:17 PM2/5/95
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: I write this as I watch Megadeth on Letterman..

: Nasacryst

Well, apparently you haven't seen them live. I think Dave was holding
back so as to not blow out the speakers on your TV set.
If you want to see a great band perform, see Megadeth in concert when
they come to your neck of the woods. I saw them last week (actually
the night before the Letterman show) and they were great.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Giselle Cloutier
Metal Babe Extraordinaire
Carleton University, Ottawa,ON,Canada
Email address: gcl...@ccs.carleton.ca
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NEFARiOUS

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Feb 5, 1995, 11:22:43 PM2/5/95
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In article <D3JIx...@mv.mv.com> bmag...@mv.mv.com (Beth Magennis) writes:

Gee, i didnt know that the world of music was started by iron maiden.
None of the bands that i listen to have any iron maiden influences.

- phil

NEFARiOUS

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Feb 5, 1995, 11:27:22 PM2/5/95
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In article <D3K4u...@cunews.carleton.ca> gcl...@superior.carleton.ca (Giselle Cloutier) writes:
>: I write this as I watch Megadeth on Letterman..
>: All I have is one word for this...
>: A-bunch-a-crap!!
>: these guys really suck! really! just bad news!
>
>: Nasacryst
>
>Well, apparently you haven't seen them live. I think Dave was holding
>back so as to not blow out the speakers on your TV set.

You're right, thats probably why.

whatever

Matt Hachigian

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Feb 6, 1995, 12:51:28 AM2/6/95
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In article <3h48fa$4...@newstand.syr.edu> pjka...@mothra.syr.edu (NEFARiOUS) writes:
>>
>>Well, apparently you haven't seen them live. I think Dave was holding

I HAVE seen them live, actually. They sounded poor.
they just stood there.
no energy. now maybe this was because they were in a real big
outdoor concert venue, but still..the vocals were drowened out
couldn't hear him at all really.
drums were too over powering..
they were just bad
Nasacryst

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Benjamin Richardson

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Feb 6, 1995, 10:32:59 PM2/6/95
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> He says he likes Death but he doesn't mention Andy LaRocque, guitar
> player for Death?!?!

I would guess that's because LaRocque was only a session musician with
Death and not a full-time member. I'm pretty sure he didn't even tour
with Chuck and co. At least, that didn't look like him on stage.

Besides, the guy was talking about Maiden when he made that statement.

Ben

"Progress is treason defined."
-Kevin Sharp

Chris Cave

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Feb 8, 1995, 5:24:16 PM2/8/95
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Matt Hachigian (mhac...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

Apparently Mr. Nasacryst doesnt play guitar, let alone any Megadeth on
guitar. Anyone who does, (like me) immediately understands why they just
stand there. GO ahead and run around and play the solos of Holy Wars
note for note like they do in concert. To me the shows are about the music
and the vibe you get just from being there "live" with the band. I saw
them live last month and they were great. I have to agree with the
opinion that the vox were subdued (but i like guitar better anyhow)
ca...@erc.msstate.edu

Charles Hamby

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Feb 8, 1995, 6:08:56 PM2/8/95
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You've modeled the sound of other death metal bands that orginally got their
influence from groups like Maiden and Priest. Slayer (although not death metal)
admit that they took their cue from Priest and took the sound a bit farther and
heavier. The group "Death" built upon the sound of Slayer.... Modern death
groups have built upon bands such as Death.... and so on.

Interesting enough, Slayer attributes the songs "Crionics" and "Face the
Slayer" (both on the Show No Mercy album) to Maiden influence. And if
you listen to both closely, you can hear some of the trademark Maiden rifts.
Maiden and Priest were very successful with the two guitarist (left channel/right
channel) setup which had influence on up-and-coming metal bands such as Slayer.
But Maiden was much MUCH heavier than Priest in the 1970s. Priest was quite
weak until circa 1980.

Sean Denomey

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In article <3hbgag$j...@NNTP.MsState.Edu>,

Chris Cave <ca...@ERC.MsState.Edu> wrote:
>Matt Hachigian (mhac...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3h48fa$4...@newstand.syr.edu> pjka...@mothra.syr.edu (NEFARiOUS) writes:
>: >>
>guitar. Anyone who does, (like me) immediately understands why they just
>stand there. GO ahead and run around and play the solos of Holy Wars
>note for note like they do in concert. To me the shows are about the music
Something like this is going around the maiden newsgroup; people complaining
that Adrian Smith just stood on stage and played and was not a good showman.

I agree with what's been posted there are here. You've got to understand that
these guys aren't airing it out in a video, where you can't hear the mistakes
they make. The solos and rhythms they play are so complex, it's a wonder they
are able to walk straight after doing a show.

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Leonid Makarovsky

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In article <3hbiu8$s...@sashimi.wwa.com> cha...@gagme.wwa.com (Charles Hamby) writes:
>influence from groups like Maiden and Priest. Slayer(although not death metal)

At the time they were death metal (mid 80s).

>heavier. The group "Death" built upon the sound of Slayer.... Modern death

No way! DEATH was just a POSSESSED ripoff... They have progressed though
since.

>groups have built upon bands such as Death.... and so on.

Who?

>But Maiden was much MUCH heavier than Priest in the 1970s. Priest was quite


But priest in 80s were MUCH MUCH heavier than maiden were heavier than 70s
priest.

--Leonid

Matt Hachigian

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Feb 9, 1995, 1:00:46 PM2/9/95
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In article <199...@clark.dgim.doc.ca> al...@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Alain Gaudrault) writes:
>
> This is crap. You're attempt to elevate yourself in the eyes of
>others is ridiculous, particularly since your argument doesn't wash.

My thoughts EXACTLY!! Chris Cave, you're a goof! That is all..

Nasacryst

Bryan R. VanDyke

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>
> This is crap. You're attempt to elevate yourself in the eyes of
>others is ridiculous, particularly since your argument doesn't wash.

Huh?

>I saw them in Toronto, and visually, the band was boring.

I don't go to concerts to watch confetti fall. I don't like to see pyrotechnics blasting
all over--afterall, people get burned that way. I don't want dogs jumping through
hoops. I want the music played and played well. Megadeth are THE best at reproducing
their music.

> What's worse is that their set list bit ... hard. Nothing off
>_Killing ..._, one song off _Peace Sells ..._, one song off _So Far ..._,
>three songs off _Rust in Peace_. Sad.

After years and years of playing those songs, I bet they'd like to play a few off the new
ones, DUH. Beside, that's a third of their set right there. Of course they are going to
dwell more on the new stuff. That's what concerts in promotion of albums DO. How
dumb are you?

--
Bryan VanDyke, Northwestern University
"There is no satisfaction until you're on every single radio station, or until you can turn
on CNN and hear them say, 'Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to break into tonight's
newscast to play the new Megadeth video.'"
-- Dave Mustaine

Stacy Z Puskar

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Feb 9, 1995, 3:46:42 PM2/9/95
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r

Sorry to bust your bubble, But MEGADETH rythems are EASY... There
hardest (and best) stuff was on Holly Wars (which they play none of that
anymore).. Don't gimme this crap there music is complex.. You want
complex rythems and leads, Listen to carcass.. What billy steer does
is incredable, Take into fact that he is tuning all the way down to B
to Eflat such as megadeth.. Megadeth use 10 gauge strings, Steer
is using big ass custom 13 gauges..

:
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wq


Benjamin Richardson

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Feb 9, 1995, 6:51:26 PM2/9/95
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> they make. The solos and rhythms they play are so complex, it's a wonder they
> are able to walk straight after doing a show.

Oh, come on! I saw Death live during their Individual Thought Patterns
tour. They were playing music much more complex than anything Megadeth
has ever done, and Death was much more interesting on stage. That
argument of yours doesn't mean anything. Megadeth has weak stage
presence, and they always have.

Invoke the Chaoslord

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>I agree with what's been posted there are here. You've got to understand that
>these guys aren't airing it out in a video, where you can't hear the mistakes
>they make. The solos and rhythms they play are so complex, it's a wonder they
>are able to walk straight after doing a show.

what's more, maybe they feel it's fucking DUMB to run around stage like
a moron when one can deliver a performance via stage presence and play the
material better, perhaps -- or perhaps put full energy into the instrument
instead of expending it all on stage antics. most of the most active stage
dudes, i've found, play shit exactly as it was on the album, sometimes a little
more sloppily. this doesn't apply to metallica, who were amazing in concert
for headbanging while playing pretty difficult shit.

- goat

Gino Filicetti

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Feb 12, 1995, 7:49:17 PM2/12/95
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Benjamin Richardson (ez01...@peseta.ucdavis.edu) wrote:

: > He says he likes Death but he doesn't mention Andy LaRocque, guitar
: > player for Death?!?!

: I would guess that's because LaRocque was only a session musician with
: Death and not a full-time member. I'm pretty sure he didn't even tour
: with Chuck and co. At least, that didn't look like him on stage.

Last I heard LaRocque was goin' back with the King for his next solo album.

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Gino Filicetti

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Steve and Heather Smith (mena...@usis.com) wrote:
: On 3 Feb 1995, Stacy Z Puskar wrote:

: > r
: >
: > MAIDEN SUCKS...
: >
: > Thats all I have to say...
: >

: > BANDS U SHOULD LISTEN T:
: > ------------------------
: > Carcass / Napalm Death / Burzum / Life Of Agony / Cannibal Corpse /
: > Death / Disincarnate / Brutal Thriuth / EnTombed / Grave / Amorphis

: ^^^^^
: ^^^^^
: Ummm, Correct me if i'm wrong?!?!?! But wasn't the original Posting for
: Dave Murry and Andy LaRocque?!?!?!

: So why did this guy not qualify his statement and say

: "MAIDEN SUCKS, DEATH RULES" or something like that

: He says he likes Death but he doesn't mention Andy LaRocque, guitar
: player for Death?!?!

dude,..... dude.. the guy said Andrian Murray... from Maiden you know...
anyways.. I still this that fucker needs a life, I mean, shit, it's a
fucking shame that people who listen to those awesome bands can be so
fucking ignorant..

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