Is El Duce really dead?
dont...@connectamerica.net
I heard that El Duce from The Mentors is dead. Is this true? I heard that
he was hit by a train. When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
thought these guys were pretty funny, and the lyrics to "Golden Showers"
being read during the PMRC hearings is a classic moment in American
history.
If anyone knows anything, let us know.
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dont...@connectamerica.net wrote:
>
> I heard that El Duce from The Mentors is dead. Is this true? I heard that
> he was hit by a train. When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
> thought these guys were pretty funny, and the lyrics to "Golden Showers"
> being read during the PMRC hearings is a classic moment in American
> history.
>
> If anyone knows anything, let us know.
>
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Justin
John or Jenn wrote:
> =
> In article <8626231...@dejanews.com> , dont...@connectamerica.net=
> writes:
> >When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
> >thought these guys were pretty funny
> =
> I thought they were kinda funny too, until I saw them in a bar
> next to a club while they were waiting to go on (we were all
> over there between bands getting away from the kids) and
> discovered that it wasn=B9t just an act, he really was that
> much of a jerk.
I've seen him twice and one time he was a blathering drunken idiot
jerkoff and the other time he was pretty cool. My friend Cecily (who El
Duce tried to get on a long whiles ago) says just take the band as a
joke.
--Justin
Jon D. Melbo
On Fri, 02 May 1997 20:51:08 -0600, dont...@connectamerica.net wrote:
>I heard that El Duce from The Mentors is dead. Is this true? I heard that
>he was hit by a train. When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
>thought these guys were pretty funny, and the lyrics to "Golden Showers"
>being read during the PMRC hearings is a classic moment in American
>history.
Yeah, I thought they were good entertainment also. A buddy of mine
even has a video of them called "Fuck Movie." As to the train thing,
a lot of people that die by getting hit by a train intend it to
happen. Admittedly I know nothing of this incident though.
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On Fri, 02 May 1997 20:51:08 -0600, dont...@connectamerica.net wrote:
>
>I heard that El Duce from The Mentors is dead. Is this true? I heard that
>he was hit by a train. When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
>thought these guys were pretty funny, and the lyrics to "Golden Showers"
>being read during the PMRC hearings is a classic moment in American
>history.
>
>If anyone knows anything, let us know.
>
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John or Jenn wrote:
>
> dont...@connectamerica.net writes:
>
> >When I was a little punk rock kid in Hollywood, I
> >thought these guys were pretty funny
>
> in a bar next to a club while they were waiting to go
> on (we were all over there between bands getting away
> act, he really was that much of a jerk.
>
but he wasn't that bad when i met him. people were just
starting to buy him drinks, so he was still basically
sober and friendly. that was two years ago, maybe.
then he had waaaay too much to drink and got onstage.
the bartenders had made him killer drinks that made him
get just a teensy-bit drunk. great show, great crowd,
probably offended every woman within a five-mile radius.
what do you expect from the Mentors?
-- brian
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dmansin
.....DAMN!!! I love the Mentors music. I met El twice here in NY,loved to
party and loved women.....aaaah good ol' El!!! I'm shocked......shocked and
grossed!!!!!
Michael Pilmer
I never saw the original post...
What happened to El Duce? He was great when I met him last year...As
nice as can be! He even let me take a picture of him with a stuffed
monkey!
Please fill me in...
I hope it's not true.
-M
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In article <5krqul$q...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, kall...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
(Jamie Pemantell) wrote:
>Courtney Love must have got him too. Sure, it probably *looked* like a
>suicide, or drug overdose, or tragic car accident, but it was probably the
>devious widow covering her tracks.
>If you check out the _High Times_ with the "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?"
>article, it has El Duce quoted as saying that Courtney Love asked him to
>kill Kurt.
>Like I said, just covering her tracks... Paranoia rules.
He was run over by a train in April.
Chris
Yeah. Check out TOM GRANT's web page. It's excellent if you're
interested in this conspiracy.
Luis Garcia
There is an obituary in this weeks edition of L.A. Weekly. It doesn't
really say how it dies. It just says that it involves a railroad. If
anybody wants, I'll post it.
lu...@earthlink.net
Los Angeles, CA
Luis Garcia
Anish
I'd appreciate it if you could post the LA Weekly article. Thanks.
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Here is the L.A. Weekly article.
EL DUCE, 1958-1997
Eldon Wayne Hoke, better known as El Duce, notorious drummer/leader of executioner-hooded
rape-rockers the Mentors, died at 8:05 p.m. on Saturday, April 19. The Riverside County
Coroner's Office described the incident as a "train-innvolved accident". Duce had celebrated
his 39th birthday a few days earlier and performed with the Mentors at Al's Bar the night before
his death. How he wound up on the tracks in Riverside is unknown; bassist Heathen Scum resides
in Riverside and Duce kept an apartment in the area (he also paid rent on a Hollywood pad but
choose to spend most of his time in a squat near Sunset and Cahuenga).
Born in Seattle, Washington, in April 1958, Duce's first musical experience was drumming for
Tomata DuPlenty's the Tupperwares circa 1975-76; along with Scum, guitarist Sickie Wifebeater and
Mr. Can't Get It Up, he formed the Mentors in 1977, released their first single, "Police Truck",
the same year and brought tha band to Hollywood in 1978. Between West Coast Tours and drunken
revelries, Duce worked as an announcer, dick jockey and spotlight operator at strip joint the
Ivar Threater. The Mentors' brand of rape rock, a venal, pornographic genre, reached its highest
flowering with 1986's classic You Axed for It album; featuring songs like "Free Fix for a Fuck",
"Sandwich of Love" and "My Erection is Over", it showcased Duce's totally irredeemable
psychosexual zeal and stomping heavy metal riff-rock approach so ideally that it was difficult to
imagine anything more extreme.
After his friend John Pochna, owner of favorite Duce after-hours haunt the Zero One Gallery,
brought his attention to the 1986 rock-censorship antics of Tipper Gore, Duce personally mailed a
copy of the album to Gore. When the lyrics of "Golden Showers" were read into the Congressional
Record ("Bend down and sniff the anal vapor/your face is my toilet paper..."), it galvanized the
entire affair, giving a previously missing context to adversarial response from the likes of
Frank Zappa. The Mentors were the ultimate example of First Amendment liberties, and the band
capitalized on the notoriety, touring all 48 states for the first time in its near-decade of
existence.
El Duce was a mythic, Ubu-esque character whose profligate lifestyle reflected but did not
replicate his songs' gut-wrenching lyrical scenarios. While audiences tended to take it far too
seriously (many Mentors fan are a terrifying breed), Duce knew it was all a joke; he reveled in
the low, and his use of lenguage, a gutter-bred poetry, was audacious; if squatting, he'd
announce that "I'm crummy bummin' this week"; he'd go out "crusting and grossing"; he introduced
the now-standard slang term "cruster" on 1987's Up the Dose album; onstage, from behind his
trademark drum kit plastered with hardcore porno pics, he would rail "rockabilly faggots" and
"Motley Crue-lookin' fuckers" or crow such charming commands as "gargle my balls and suck the
shit out of my asshole"
Duce was an equally tragic and perversely admirable figure. On one hand, like poet William
Blake or King Kong stop-animation wizard Willis O'Brien, he was an artist who created a vivid
internal world so tangible to him that it became a reality; on the other, he was a troubled,
booze-sodden pauper often reduced to accosting tourists with his offer to sell them a joke for 25
cents (indeed, many LAPD officer knew his as "The Joker"). Wha't important to remember is that
El Duce's life was more a matter of choice than a chance. He was an all-American rugged
individualist who will be sorely missed by Hollywood's rock & roll underground.
-Jonny Whiteside
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On 8 May 1997 02:13:41 -0400, kall...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Jamie
Pemantell) wrote:
>Courtney Love must have got him too. Sure, it probably *looked* like a
>suicide, or drug overdose, or tragic car accident, but it was probably the
>devious widow covering her tracks.
>If you check out the _High Times_ with the "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?"
>article, it has El Duce quoted as saying that Courtney Love asked him to
>kill Kurt.
>Like I said, just covering her tracks... Paranoia rules.
That's not so far fetched. Now that Kurt is out of the way (and
doesn't care) there is room for all sorts of evil heroin(e)
manipulations.
Be afraid, my sheep, FEAR!
Robert Guardiola
Straight from Dr. Heathen Scum--->>>>
Dear Mentor Fans and Friends :
>
>It is with the utmost sadness that I must report the demise of El Duce,
>singer
>and drummer with the Mentors. An obituary written two days after his death
>is
>attached. I am sorry I haven't alerted you loyal Mentors fans earlier ; as
>you
>can imagine, the days immediately following his death were followed by grief
>and coordination with family and friends.
>
>Suffice to say a world without El Duce is a much darker one, in my forty
>years
>of living I must say I have never met a funnier man. Duce was my friend
>since
>we were 9 years old, and I am grateful for all of the laughs and good times
>with my friend and partner. One of the greatest gifts Duce left me was the
>acquaintance of his many friends ( nobody had more friends than Duce ) ; I
>have
>heard from many of you already, and I am grieving along with you as you can
>imagine.
>
>As to the future of the band the Mentors, only time will tell, but Sickie and
>I intend to carry on, we just don't know what else to do.
>
>Duce believed, as I do, that the work we were doing in the Mentors will
>ultimately transcend time and place, and its hard to listen to the songs of
>Duce
>and look at his pictures without believing that he, like Lincoln, now belongs
>to
>the ages.
>
>I would appreciate any thoughts or memories of Duce.
>
>Thank you all for the support over the years,
>
>Dr. Heathen Scum
>aka Steve Broy
>
>Obituary for Eldon Hoke (aka El Duce )
>
>Eldon Hoke, also know as El Duce, a fixture on the Los Angeles Entertainment
>scene for the last 20 years was killed Saturday evening, April 19, in
>Riverside, CA. His death was the result of being hit by a train in a state
>of alcoholic intoxication.
>
>Mr. Hoke was best known as the drummer and lead singer of the rock group the
>Mentors. He rose to national prominence in 1985 as a result of the U.S.
>Senate ( P.M.R.C. ) hearings regarding "obscene lyrics" in rock music, which
>named publicly the Mentors as the worst exponent of such lyrics in music. In
>addition to his musical career Mr. Hoke also was employed frequently as a bit
>player or extra in many motion picture, music video, and television
>productions. His comic visage and friendly manner made him a show business
>natural.
>
>Recently Mr. Hoke had appeared on the Jerry Springer Show in a show devoted
>to Shock Rock, and in the National Enquirer and other tabloids domestically
>and internationally regarding his claim that he was approached by Courtney
>Love to kill Kurt Cobain.
>
>The last musical performance by Mr. Hoke was given on Friday, April 18th, at
>Al's Bar in Downtown Los Angeles.
>
>Mr. Hoke was born on March 24, 1958 in Seattle, Washington. He is survived
>in the by his mother and father, Mr. and Mrs. Walter Hoke of Seattle, Wa, a
>brother, Steven Hoke, of Seattle, a sister, Mrs. Christina Sherrod, of
>Renton, WA, a sister, Mrs. Annetta Boggs, of Los Angeles, an uncle, David
>Hoke, an uncle, Charles Saltviet, or Portland, and an aunt, Esther Moreland,
>of Woodland Hills. The loss is also grieved by his lifelong friends and
>group members of the Mentors, Eric Carlson of Hollywood, CA and Steve Broy,
>of Riverside, CA. Donations in his memory can be made to the Salvation
>Army.
>
>
ROB
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Damn, no more "Sandwich of Love!" See you in hell, El!