The Black Metal List 94 12 24 (late!)
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What is this?
- This is an attempt to list the Metal World's treasure of Black Metal albums,
and all demos and other stuff released by the bands that have gotten as far as
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Abigor: Austria -
# Nazi warning!
Ash Nazg.../demo/1993
LuxÊDevicta Est/demo/1993
Promotape 2/94/demo/1994
Verwuestung/Invoke The Dark Age/7"?/1994 [Nap2]
Verwuestung/Invoke The Dark Age/1994 [Nap2]
# What's the difference/likeness between these two releases?
Abruptum: Sweden -
# are not included of the basis of not being Metal.
Absu: Texas -
# Sounds pretty much like American Death Metal to me?
The Temple Of Offal/demo/EP/199?
????/7"/???? []
Barathrum: V.I.T.R.I.O.L. Lapidem/1994 [Osm/Tor/Goth]
# Full title: Visita Interiora Terrae Rectificando Invenies Occultul
Acheron: Florida -
# Much like primitive American Death Metal... Church Of Satan band.
Rites Of The Black Mass/1992 [Turbo/JLA]
Alla Xul/7"/1993 [Gut]
Satanic Victory/EP/1994 [Leth]
# Not authorized by the band it's said
Hail Victory/1994 [MM] ("Satanic Victory" & "Alla Xul" tracks + more)
# Is authorized
Alastis: Switzerland -
# Like Samael but slower. Almost Doomdeath?
Fatidical Date/demo/1989
The Just Law/1993 [HNF]
Ancient: Norway -
Eerily Howling Winds/demo/1994?
Det Glemte Riket/7"/1994 [] (b/w "Huldradans")
(debut full-length "Svartalvheim" out... now?)
Ancient Ceremony: Germany -
# Melodic Black Metal
Where Serpents Reign/demo/1993
Cemetary Visions/MCD/1994? []
Ancient Rites: Belgium -
Dark Ritual/demo/1990
Longing For The Ancient Kingdom II/7"/???? []
Evil Prevails/EP/1992 []
<split with Renaissance>/EP/1993 [AD]
<split with Thou Art Lord>/7"/1993 []
The Diabolic Serenades/1994 [AD]
Autopsy Torment: Sweden -1992, then as Pagan Rites
# Slow Black
Darkest Rituals/demo/1991
Moon Fog/7"/1992? []
Bathory: Sweden 1983-, current state of existence is unknown
# The first three albums are classic Black Metal. Note: Quorthon, only
# member, has also made a solo album which is NOT Metal at all (it's grungy
# rock and as such not bad at all, in case you wondered)
????/demo/1983
# They were pretty Mot|rhead-influenced in those days
Bathory/1984 [UOF/BM]
# Some think that this is more Speed Metal than really Black
The Return/1985 [UOF/BM]
# Real Black Metal!
Under The Sign Of The Black Mark/1987 [UOF/BM]
# Hints of what would become modern Black Metal showing up here
Blood Fire Death/1988 [UOF/BM]
# Death/Battle Metal
Hammerheart/1990 [N/BM]
# Slower Power/Battle/Doom Metal
Twilight Of The Gods/1991 [BM]
# Slow and with lotsa classical influences
Jubileum Volume I/1992 [BM] (compilation 1983-1991)
Jubileum Volume II/1993 [BM] (compilation 1983-1991)
Requiem/1994 [BM]
# Speed/Thrash Metal. Probably recorded '87-'88 or so
Behemoth: Poland -
Endless Damnation/demo/199?
The Return Of The Northern Moon/demo/1992
From The Pagan Vastlands/demo/1994?
From The Pagan Vastlands/1994 [?/WR] (identical to the demo)
Beherit: Finland -
# Raw & primitive low-skill Black Metal the way it was meant to be...
# Or not?
????/demo/????
Demonomancy/demo/1990
Dawn Of Satan's Millenium/pic-disc EP/1991 []
Death Yell/7"/1991? []
The Oath Of Black Blood/1991 [Turbo/JLA]
# Demo recordings; sound/production sucks! (OK there is no production at
# all really)
Promo 1992/demo/1992 (3 songs also included on "Drawing Down The Moon")
Drawing Down The Moon/1993 [SF/JLA]
Mega Satanas(?)/7"/1994 [Nec?]
# Or is this called "Messe De Morts"?
H418ov21.C/1994 [SF]
# NOT METAL! Black Ambient Techno, perhaps
Belial: Finland -
Never Again/???? [Leth]
Wisdom Of Darkness/1993 [Leth] (two versions with different covers)
Bestial Summoning: Netherlands - (disbanded)
The Dark War Has Begun/1992 [NF]
# Supposedly not very good
Bestial Warlust: Australia 1994-, ex-Corpse Molestation
# Impaled Nazarene-like violence
Vengeance War 'Till Death/1994 [MI]
Bethlehem: Germany - (the singer killed himself, are they still around?)
# Black/Doom?
Promo 93/demo/1993 (same songs are on "Thy Pale Dominion")
Thy Pale Dominion/7"/1993? []
Dark Metal/1994 [Adi] (includes the "Thy Pale Dominion" 7")
Black Crucifixion: Finland -
# Melodic Black/Doom
????/demo/1992
Promeathean Gift/CDS/1993 [Leth]
(may have changed their name to Promethean (Gift)?)
Blasphemy: Canada -
# Grindcore-ish Black Metal???
Blood Upon The Alter/demo/1989
# More Black Metal than the more recent stuff
Fallen Angel Of Doom/1991 [WR]
Gods Of War/1993 [Osm/JLA] (the CD version includes the 1989 demo)
Burzum: Norway -
# Slower, slightly "different", sometimes very atmospheric borderline
# Black Metal. Nazi warning!
Burzum/1992 [DSP]
Aske/EP/1993 [DSP]
Det Som En Gang Var/1993 [Cym/Mis]
# The title means "What Once Was"
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss/1994 [Mis]
# The title means "If The Light Takes Us"
(next title is "Filosofem" and it's out soon, maybe January?)
Carpathian Forest: Norway -
# Doomish Black Metal with Burzum-like vocals
????/demo/????
Bloodlust And Perversion/demo/1992
In These Trees Are My Gallows/7"/1993 []
(full-length album is coming!)
Celtic Frost: Switzerland 1984-1993?, ex-Hellhammer
# Not as Black as Hellhammer and the material after 1987 is not even close
# to Black Metal.
Morbid Tales/EP/1984 [N]
Emperor's Return/EP/1985 [N] (CD includes "Morbid Tales")
To Mega Therion/1985 [N]
Tragic Serenades/1986/EP [N] (Remixes and re-recordings of earlier songs)
Into The Pandemonium/1987 [N]
I Won't Dance/12"/1987 [N]
Cold Lake/1988 [N]
# They tried playing glam too
Vanity/Nemesis/1990 [N]
# Yes, there is a '/' in the title
Parched With Thirst Am I And Dying/1992 [N] (compilation 1984-1992)
Countess: Netherlands -
# In the Hellhammer school?
Permafrost/demo/1993
The Gospel Of The Horned One/1993 []
The Wolves Awake/demo/1994
Cradle Of Filth: Britain -
# Modern Black Metal showing some variety
Invoking The Unclean/demo/1992
Orgiastic Pleasures/demo/1992
Total Fucking Darkness/demo/1993
The Principle Of Evil Made Flesh/12"/1993? [Cac]
The Principle Of Evil Made Flesh/1994 [Cac/MI]
# What's the relationship/difference between these two?
(new album "Dusk And Her Embrace" out in January!)
Daemonium: France -
Dark Opera Of The Ancient War Spirit/CDS/1994 [Adi]
# A Black Metal opera
Dark Funeral: Sweden 1993?-
# Northern style Black Metal
Dark Funeral/CDS/1994 [HS]
(full-length album "The Secrets Of The Black Arts" out next year)
Darkthrone: Norway 1987-
# The later albums are fashion Scandinavian style Black Metal.
# Nazi warning!
????/demo/????
Thulcandra/demo/????
# Death not Black
Cromlech/demo/1989
# Death not Black
Soulside Journey/1991 [PV]
# Not really Black
A Blaze In The Northern Sky/1992 [PV]
Under A Funeral Moon/1993 [PV]
Transilvanian Hunger/1994 [PV]
(next album "Panzerfaust" early next year)
(and then "Total Death"?)
(and an old unreleased "Goatlord" album will also be released next year)
Diabolos Rising: Europe - (project)
# Black/Industrial with Mika Luttinen from Impaled Nazarene and
# Magus Vampyr Daoloth from Necromantia
666/1994 [Osm]
Dissection: Sweden 1990-
# Melodic and varying modern Black Metal, with Death/Heavy influences
The Grief Prophecy/demo/1990
Into Infinite Obscurity/7"/1992 [CG]
The Somberlain/1993 [NF]
(now signed to Nuclear Blast and new stuff coming?)
Emperor: Norway 1992-
# Scandinavian style Black Metal
Wrath Of The Tyrant/demo/1992
Emperor/EP/1993 [CL] (On CD w/ Enslaved's "Hordanes Land")
As The Shadows Rise/7"/1993 [] ("Witches Sabbath"/"Ancient Queen...")
(new album "In The Nightside - Eclipse" coming in January on Candlelight)
Enslaved: Norway -
# Lyrics about Norse mythology, not Satan. Black Metal anyway?
Yggdrasil/demo/1992
Hordanes Land/EP/1993 [CL] (On CD w/ Emperor's "Emperor")
Vikingligr Veldi/1994 [DSP/VOW/CM]
Frost/1994 [Osm]
Fester: Norway -
# Perhaps more like Blackish normal Death Metal?
Winter Of Sin/1992 [NF]
(new album "Silence" (or so) will be released on Lethal)
Forgotten Woods: -
????/demo/????
????/demo/1993
As The Wolves Gather/1994 []
Fulgor: Germany -
# Nazi warning!
To Be One With The Stars/demo/1993
<split with Sigh>/7"/1994 [Cac]
Gehenna: Norway -
# Not to be confused with the American or the Polish Gehenna.
Black Seared Heart/demo/1993
Ancestor Of A Darkly Sky/7"/1994 [NG] (songs taken from the demo?)
(debut full-length "First Spell" coming soon on Head Not Found)
Goatlord: US - (disbanded)
# Raw primitive "Chant Metal". Low-skill... ow
Reflections Of The Solstice/1991 [Turbo]
Goatlord/1992 [JLA] (A reworked version of "Reflections Of The Solstice"?)
Gorgoroth: Norway -
A Sorcery Written In Blood/demo/1993
Pentagram/1994 [Emb]
Graveland: Poland -
Necromanteion/demo/199?
Drunemeton/demo/1992
Epilogue/demo/1993
In The Glare Of Burning Churches/demo/1993
Celtic Winter/1994 [Pagan]
Grotesque: Sweden -1991, then became At The Gates
# A mix of Entombed, Bolt Thrower and Black Metal?
Incarnation/demo/1990
# Is this correct?
Incantation/EP/1991 [Dol]
Hades: Poland -
# There are two bands by this name. The other one is NWOBHM or so.
Unholy Congregation/demo/199?
Alone Walkying/demo/1994
...Again Shall Be/1994 [FMP]
Havohej: US 1993-, ex-Profanatica
????/7"/1993 [CL] (limited edition release; 500 copies?)
Dethrone The Son Of God/1993 [CL]
Hellhammer: Switzerland 1982-1984, then became Celtic Frost
# One of the bands defining the Black Metal genre. Slowish simple & evil
Death Fiend/demo/1983
Triumph Of Death/demo/1983 (also available on a bootleg CD?)
Satanic Rites/demo/1984 (also available on a bootleg CD)
Crucifixion/7"/???? []
Apocalyptic Raids/EP/1984 [N]
Apocalyptic Raids 1990 AD/1990 [N/BMG/Fut] (CD re-release with 2 extra trax)
Ildjarn-Nidhogg: -
????/demo/????
Norse/7"/1994 [NA]
Immortal: Norway -
# Fast modern Scandinavian style Black Metal
The Nortern Upins Death/demo/1990
Unholy Forces Of Evil/7"/1991 [List] (b/w "Cold Winds Of Funeral Dust")
Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism/1992 [Osm/JLA]
# Like Darkthrone/Bathory
Pure Holocaust/1993 [Osm]
# Fast fast fast - like newer Mayhem
(new album "Battles In The North" - when?)
Impaled Nazarene: Finland -
# Industrial Cyber Punk Sado Metal! Or maybe high speed Black Metal in the
# Bathory school crossed with some Repulsion grindcore?
Shemhamforash/demo/????
Taog Eht Fo Htao Eht/demo/1991
Goat Perversion/7"/1992 [Nos]
Sadogoat/7"/1993 [Osm] (b/w "Ghost Riders")
Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz/1993 [Osm/JLA] (a limited release with 16 bonus
tracks, from the three previous demos and 7"'s, exists)
Satanic Masowhore/7"/1993 [Osm] (b/w "Conned Thru Life")
Ugra Karma/1993 [Osm]
Suomi Finland Perkele/1994 [Osm]
# It might be that they are losing the Black edge
Inverted: US -
Revocation Of The Beast/EP/1994 [WR]
Isengard: Norway 1989- (project)
# Fenriz' from Darkthrone solo work; some Black, some Doom, some ????
Spectres Over Gorgoroth/demo/1989
# Traditional Death Metal
Horizons/demo/1991
# Sounds like Burzum but with clear vocals
Vinterskugge/1994 [Deaf] (includes the demos)
# The new material is partly pure Black and partly like Bathory's
# "Hammerheart" with a folk music touch; the title means "Winter shadow"
(new album "Samlet Mot Gud Og Hvite Krist" OR "Hoestmoerke" early next year
on Moonfog)
Katatonia: Sweden (1987-)1991-1994
# Melodic Doom/Black
Jhva Elohim Meth/demo/1992
# This is their blackest)
Jhva Elohim Meth... the Revival/CDS/1993 [Vic] (the demo released on CD)
Dance Of December Souls/1993 [NF/Pave]
(new EP "For Funerals To Come" will be released. Probably more gothic rock)
Marduk: Sweden -
# Fast modern Deathish Black Metal
Fuck Me Jesus/demo/1991
Dark Endless/1993 [NF]
Those Of The Unlight/1993 [Osm]
Opus Nocturne/1994 [Osm]
Martyrium: Germany -
# Raw Black Metal with good intros/fillers...
Invocation Of The Maat/demo/1992
Through The Aeon/demo/1993
Arcanum De Via Occulta/demo/1993
L.V.X Occulta/1994 []
Master's Hammer: Czechia -
# Orchestral Black Metal with keyboards and tympans!
The Fall Of Idol/demo/1990
The Mass/demo/????
Ritual/1991 [Mon]
Klavierstuck/7"/1992 [PS] ("Cards Do Not Lie"/"Satrapold")
Jilemnicky Okultista/demo/1993 (a demo for the album perhaps?)
The Jilemnice Occultist/1993 [Osm/JLA]
(new album when???, on Osmose)
Mayhem: Norway 1984-1993, 1994- (restarted with (most of) an old line-up)
# Going from primitive classic Death/Black to the modern high speed style
# Black Metal
Pure Fucking Armageddon/demo/1985
Deathcrush/EP/1987 [PC/DSP] (re-released 1993)
Live In Leipzig/1992? [OP/AG] (recorded 1990)
De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas/1994 [DSP/VOW/CM]
A Tribute To The Black Emperors/1994 [] (split with Morbid)
# The Morbid tracks are an old demo and Mayhem's are: Necrolust/Carnage/
# The Freezing Moon/Funeral Fog (which recording years, anyone?)
????/7"/1994 []
# What is this?
Misery: Switzerland - (still active?)
# Slow, like Samael? Is it more Doomdeath than Black?
Burning Alive/demo/1990
Tormented Soul/demo/1991
Mystic/1993 []
Monumentum: Italy - (still active?)
Museaum Hermeticum/demo/1989
# Sounds quite Celtic Frost-ish
<split with Rotting Christ>/7"/1991 [OP]
(an album "In Absentia Christi" might be released one day)
Moonspell: Portugal -
# Black/Doom Metal
Anno Satanae/demo/????
Goat On Fire/7"/???? [ML]
Wolves From The Fog/7"/???? []
Under The Moonspell/CDS/1994 [Adi]
Mordor: -
# Atmospheric gothic Black Metal
Les Armees De Sauron/7"/1994? [Shs]
Mortuary Drape: Italy -
# Any Black Metal???
Doom Return/demo/????
Necromancy/demo/????
Into The Drape/EP?/???? [Dec]
All The Witches Dance/1994 [Uni]
Mysticum: -
<split with Ulver>/7"/1994 [NG]
Mystifier: Brazil -
# *Raw* fast traditional Black Metal
Wicca/1993 [Osm]
Goetia/1993 [Osm]
(new album supposed to have been recorded by now)
Nebiras: Malaysia -
As The Sky Turns Black/1993 [DJ]
Necromantia: Greece -
# Oldstyle Black Metal, but with some Samael influences?
????/demo/1990
Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins/EP/1992 [Uni] (split with Varathron)
Demo 93 (two songs, also included on "Crossing The Fiery Path")
Crossing The Fiery Path/1993 [Osm]
Necromass: Greece? -
Mysetria Mystica Zofiriana/1994 [Uni]
Necrosanct: -
# What? Black Metal? Or punkish Speed Metal???
Equal In Death/???? []
Incarnate/1992 [BM]
Desolate/1993 [BM]
N.M.E.: - (long dead, probably)
# Venom clones?
????/???? []
Occult: Netherlands -
# With ex-Bestial Summoning vocalist Sephiroth
Studio/demo/1993
Prepare To Meet Thy Doom/1994 [F2000]
Onslaught: -1991
# The real early stuff was Venom-ish Black Metal
Power From Hell/1985 [COTA/MFN]
# Black
The Force/1986 [MFN]
# Speed
Let There Be Rock/EP/1988 [MFN]
In Search Of Sanity/1989 [London/FFTR]
# Cheesier?
Shellshock/EP/1989 [London/FFTR]
Welcome To Dying/EP/1989 [London/FFTR]
Opera IX: Italy -
# Black/Death?
Gothik/demo/????
????/demo/1992
The Triumph Of The Death/7"/1994 [Wimp]
Ophthalamia: Sweden -
# Black Metal? Or Doomdeath?
A Journey In Darkness/1994 [OP]
Pagan Rites: Sweden 1992-, ex-Autopsy Torment
# Slow Black
Through The Gates Of Hell/demo/1992
# Is that title correct?
Frost...(?)/demo/1993
Hail Victory!/7"/???? []
Poison: Germany - (long dead probably)
# Right, not *that* Poison
????/demo/????
Into The Abyss/1986 []
Possessed: US -1987, 1991- (did the reunion last?)
# Black/proto-Death Metal, do they belong here?
Seven Churches/1985 [Com/RC]
# This could be Black/proto Death
Beyond The Gates/1986 [Com/UOF]
# Thrash/Speed. The version CD includes the "The Eyes Of Horror" EP
The Eyes Of Horror/EP/1987 [Com/UOF]
# Thrash/Speed
1991 Demo (?)
Victims Of Death: Best of.../1993 [Rel] (compilation)
Profanatica: US -1993, then became Havohej
????/demo/????
Weeping In Heaven/7"/1991 [AW]
Final Hour Of Christ/demo/1992
Profanatica/EP/1992 [Osm] (on split LP/CD with Masacre's "Ola De Violenca")
As Tears Of Blood Stain The Altar Of Christ/7" EP/1993 [Osm]
Rotting Christ: Greece -
# Black Metal the Greek way, i.e. quite some oldstyle Black/ traditional
# Heavy Metal influences
Satanas Tedeum/demo/1989
Dawn Of The Iconoclast/7"/???? [] (unofficial release)
<split with Monumentum>/7"/1991 [OP]
Ade's Wind/demo/1992
Passage To Arcturo/EP/1992 [Dec] (the CD has two extra live tracks)
Thy Mighty Contract/1993 [Osm/JLA]
Apokathelosis/7"/1993 [] ("Visions Of Dead Lovers"/"The Mystical Meeting")
The Other Side Of Life/7"/???? (split with Sound Pollution)
Non Serviam/1994 [Uni]
Satanas Tedeum/EP?/1994 [Uni] (right, the demo)
Samael: Switzerland 1987-
# Slower than average Black Metal, and quite atmospheric
????/demo/????
Medieval Prophecy/7"/1988 []
From Dark To Black/demo/1989
Worship Him/1991 [Osm/JLA]
Blood Ritual/1992 [CM]
Ceremony Of Opposites/1994 [CM]
# Less Black in style?
Sacramentum: Sweden -
Finis Malorum/1994 [Evil]
Sathanas: -
# Cult Black Metal???
Ripping Evil/7"/1994 [Reap]
Satyricon: Norway -
# Norway, I said. Also puts folk music/classical like things in there
????/demo/????
The Forest Is My Throne/demo/????
Dark Medieval Times/1994 [Moon]
The Shadowthrone/1994 [Moon]
(the "The Forest Is My Throne" demo will be released on CD early next year)
Sigh: Japan -
Requiem For Fools/7"/1992 []
Scorn Defeat/1994 [DSP/VOW/CM]
Requiem For Fools/demo/1994
# Ok what's going on here?
<split with Fulgor>/7"/1994 [Cac]
Sodom: Germany -
# The early albums were Black Metal... The later ones are heavy powerful
# Deathish Speed Metal.
Victims Of Death/demo/????
Witching Metal/demo/????
In The Sign Of Evil/EP/1985 [SH]
Obsessed By Cruelty/1986 [SH]
# This one isn't very Black
Expurse Of Sodomy/12"/1987 [SH] (Sodomy And Lust/The Conqueror/My Atonement)
Persecution Mania/1987 [SH]
Mortal Way Of Live/1988 [SH] (live)
Agent Orange/1989 [SH]
Ausgebombt/EP/1989 [SH] (title track w/ German lyrics b/w "Incest" (live) &
"Don't Walk Away" (Tank cover))
Better Off Dead/1990 [SH]
The Saw Is The Law/EP/1991 [SH] (b/w "Tarred And Fethered" &
"The Kids Wanna Rock" (Bryan Adams cover!))
Tapping The Vein/1992 [SH]
Aber Bitte Mit Sahne/EP/1993 [SH] (b/w "Sodomized"/"Abuse"/"Skinned Alive")
Get What You Deserve/1994 [SH]
Marooned Live/1994 [SH?] (21 live + 2 new studio tracks)
The Black: Sweden -
The Priest Of Satan/1994 [Nec]
Thou Art Lord: Greece -
# Rotting Christ + Necromantia members
The Cult Of The Horned One/demo/1993
# Sounds a lot like Rotting Christ
Diabolou Archaes Legeones/7"/1993 [] (the tracks are taken from the demo)
<split with Ancient Rites>/7"/1993 [] (the track is taken from the demo)
Eosforos/1994 [Uni]
# This one is supposed to sound less like Rotting Christ
Throne Of Ahaz: Sweden -
# From the woods in northern Sweden. Guess what they sound like.
At The Mountains Of Northern Storms/demo/1992
Nifelheim/1994 [NF]
Ulver: Norway -
Vargnatt/demo/1992
<split with Mysticum>/7"/1994 [NG] (the Ulver song taken from the demo)
(new CDS "Bergtatt" out soon!)
Unanimated: Sweden 1989-
# Atmospheric melodic Black/Death
Fire Storm/demo/1991
In The Forest Of The Dreaming Dead/1993 [NF/Pave]
(new album coming soon)
Ungod: Germany -
# Northern style?
Magicus Tallis Damnatio/demo/1993
Circle Of The Seven Infernal Pacts/1993 [Mer]
(split single with Cabal (Germany) is planned)
Varathron: Greece -
# Black Metal the Greek way, but often quite slow... when they're not
# *fast*, that is.
Procreation Of The Unaltered Evil/demo/1989
One Step Beyond Dreams/7"/???? []
Genesis Of Apocryphal Desire/demo/1991
Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins/EP/1992 [Uni] (split with Necromantia)
His Majesty At The Swamp/7"/???? []
His Majesty At The Swamp/1993 [Cyber]
# What is the relationship/difference between the two releases?
Venom: Britain -
# The single first Black Metal band, the early albums defining oldstyle
# Black Metal
In League with Satan/7"/1981 [Neat] (b/w "Live Like An Angel")
Welcome To Hell/1981 [Neat/Com]
Black Metal/1982 [Neat/Com/RR]
Blood Lust/7"/1982 [Neat] (b/w "In Nomine Sathanas")
Die Hard/7"/1983 [Neat/MF] (b/w "Acid Queen")
Die Hard/12"/1983 [Neat/MF] (b/w "Acid Queen"/"Bursting Out")
Warhead/7"/1984 [Neat] (b/w "Lady Lust")
Warhead/12"/1984 [Neat] (b/w "Lady Lust"/"7 Gates Of Hell")
At War With Satan/1983 [Neat/Com/RR]
Manitou/MCS/1984 [Neat] (b/w "Woman"/"Dead Of Night"/interview)
Manitou/7"/1985 [Neat] (b/w "Woman")
Manitou/12"/1985 [Neat] (b/w "Woman"/"Dead Of Night")
Possessed/1985 [Neat/RR]
# Last album with the classic lineup and sound
Nightmare/7"/1985 [Neat] (b/w "Satanachist")
Nightmare/12"/1985 [Neat] (b/w "Satanachist"/"FOAD")
Nightmare/MCS/1985 [Neat] (b/w "Satanachist"/"FOAD"/radio intr to "Warhead"/
"Warhead")
From Hell To The Unknown/1985 [RP]
American Assault/EP/1985 (Live)
Canadian Assault/EP/1985 [Ban] (Live)
French Assault/EP/1986 [NEW] (Live)
The Singles 1980-1986/1986 [RP] (compilation)
Hell At Hammersmith Live EP/12"/1986 [Neat] (Live; "Witching Hour"/
"Teacher's Pet"/"Poison")
Live 1984-1985/1986 [MW] (Live)
Eine Kleine Nachtmusik/1986 [Neat/RR] (Live)
Live In Concert/1986 [K-Tel] (Live, the same concert as EKN)
Scandinavian Assault/EP/1986 [Sonx] (Live)
Japanese Assault/EP/1986 [] (Live)
Official Bootleg/1986 [MMG] (Live)
Here Lies Venom/Box/1986 [MF] ("Welcome To Hell" + "Black Metal" +
"At War With Satan" + "American Assault")
German Assault/1987 [RR] (Live)
Italian Assault/EP/1987 [Neat] (Live)
Calm Before The Storm/1987 [FT]
# No longer any real Black Metal
Prime Evil/1989 [UOF]
Tear Your Soul Apart/EP/1990 [UOF]
Temples Of Ice/1991 [UOF]
The Best Of Venom - In Memorium/1991 [MC] (compilation)
The Best Of Venom - The Book Of Armageddon/1992 [Rel] (compilation)
The Waste Lands/1992 [UOF]
Kissing The Beast/1993 [UOF] (re-recordings of older songs)
Skeletons In The Closet/1993 [] (compilation CD)
Old, New, Borrowed And Blue/1994 [BH] (Re-recorded old classics
and covers)
Zemial: Greece -
Sleeping Under Tartarus/7"/1992 [Tor]
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Key to record label abbreviations:
Active (Act) Greivance (Gre) No Fashion (NF)
Adipocere (Adi) Grind Core (GC) Nocturnal Art (NA)
After Dark (AD) Gutted (Gut) Noise (N)
After World (AW) GWB Nosferatu (Nos)
Arkham (Ark) Hammer Of Damnation (HOD) Nuclear Blast (NB)
Atlantic (Atl) Head Not Found (HNF) Obscure Plasma (OP)
Avantgarde (AG) Heavy Metal (HM) Osmose (Osm)
Banzai (Ban) Hellhound (HH) Pavement (Pave)
Black Dragon (BD) Hellspawn (HS) Pagan
Black Mark (BM) Holy Peaceville (PV)
Black Power (BP) Infest (Inf) Pentagram (PG)
Bleeding Heart (BH) Intellectual Convul..(IC) Posercorpse (PC)
Boner (Bon) Intense (Int) Poserslaughter (PS)
Brand New Entert... (BNE) IRS Putrefaction (Put)
Bullet Proof (Bul) JLAmerica/Turbo USA (JLA) Radium (Rad)
Cacophonous (Cac) Lethal (Leth) Raw Power (RP)
Candlelight (CL) Leviathan (Lev) Reaper (Reap)
Century Media (CM) Listenable (List) Relapse (Rlps)
Chaos (Ch) Lowland (Low) Relativity (Rel)
Children Of The... (COTA) Magnum Music Group (MMG) Rise Above (RA)
Columbia (Col) Massacre (Mass) Roadracer/Roadrunner (RR)
Combat (Com) Matadorons Mangled..(MMI) Seraphic Decay (SD)
Common Cause (CC) Mausoleum (Maus) Shark (Sha)
Corpse Grinder (CG) MCY Shivadarshana (Shs)
Cyber Megaforce (MF) Shiver (Shi)
Cymophane (Cym) MegaRock (MR) Sonx
Dark Journey (DJ) Merciless (Mer) Spine Farm (SF)
Deaf Metal Blade (MB) SST
Deathlike Silence (DSP) Metal Merchant (MM) Steamhammer (SH)
Decapitated (Dec) Metalcore (Mco) Symphonies Of Death (SOD)
Def American (DA) Metalworks (MW) Tinnitus (Tinn)
Displeased (Dis) Misanthropy (Mis) Torched (Tor)
Dolores (Dol) Molon Lave (ML) Tupido (Tpd)
Dureco (Dur) Monitor (Mon) Tupulo (Tpl)
Earache (Ear) Moonfog (Moon) Turbo
Embassy (Emb) Mould In Hell (MIH) Ultimatum (Ult)
Euro Music Collection (MC) Under One Flag (UOF)
Evil Music For Nations (MFN) Unisound (Uni)
Filmtrax (FT) Napalm (Nap) Vertigo (V)
Foundation 2000 (F2000) Napalm (other one) (Nap2) Vic
Full Moon Prod... (FMP) Neat Voices Of Wonder (VOW)
Future Shock (FS) Necromantik Gallery (NG) Wild Rags (WR)
Futurist (Fut) Necropolis (Nec) Witchhunt (WH)
Gothic (Goth) NEW
Grand Slamm (GS) New Renaissance (NR)
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And at last... thanks to:
Travis Johnson (and his predecessors) who with the Metal List From Hell
inspired me to create this list; and all the netters who have encouraged me or
helped me, especially those of you who have tape traded with me and thus given
me a chance to hear some of the more rare stuff on the list I'd otherwise
never have got the opportunity to hear.
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Remember - Only Death Is Real
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kenningar
Great list, finely organized with intelligent comments... except the
"Nazi warning". Being an unethical or simple offensive comment at its
best it raises a question: what gives you the right to brand a band as
being fascist. It's written easily, almost as a matter of fact. I would
hesitate to call anybody a nazi considering heaviness of that accusation.
Calling Burzum or Darkthrone nazi bands is not like saying something
like "their music sucks" it's quite different. I personally blame the
media for making monsters out of musicians. In my own opinion black metal
IS about music, not nazism.
Warmest regards,
Mitch gore...@phantom.com
Thomas Wolmer
> Great list, finely organized with intelligent comments... except the
>"Nazi warning". Being an unethical or simple offensive comment at its
>best it raises a question: what gives you the right to brand a band as
>being fascist. It's written easily, almost as a matter of fact. I would
>hesitate to call anybody a nazi considering heaviness of that accusation.
The bands who have deserved that label are those who have said themselves
that they are nazis (or alternatively fascist + racist + thinking that
Hitler was a great man; that's close enough) at one point or another.
There is not a judgment on my side of any significance. The bands who
receive this label are not likely to be offended by it.
Then, recently Fenriz has said that he *isn't* a nazi after all ("jewish"
just happens to mean "bad" in Norwegian and "arisk" just happens to mean
"good" I guess, and Hitler was a nice man who built all those motorways...)
and if it seems likely that he just said he was to seems more "true" and
sell more albums (failed, as he lost the distribution instead...), then I
might remove the label from Darkthrone.
> Calling Burzum or Darkthrone nazi bands is not like saying something
>like "their music sucks" it's quite different. I personally blame the
>media for making monsters out of musicians. In my own opinion black metal
>IS about music, not nazism.
Neither do I think that Black Metal has anything to do with Nazism (although
Black Metal is more than music to me). But I do have something againts
nazis (or more specific, racists - fascism is another story), and in case
there are more people who won't buy albums by albums by nazi band for
ideological reasons, I put the warning sign there. Just as I warn people
of the Christian Death Metal bands in the Deathgrind lists.
And BTW, about Burzum, mr Vikernes have carefully used the media for
making a monster out of himself.
(Pure discussions about my personal opinions or about how nazism compare to
christianity are not relevant here while discussions about which bands are
really nazis and why Nazi Black Metal or Christian Death Metal are bad things,
however, are; although the latter topic may cause mass nausea.)
kenningar
In article <mgs1Xc...@mindvox.phantom.com> gore...@mindvox.phantom.com (kenningar) writes:
> > Great list, finely organized with intelligent comments... except the
> >"Nazi warning". Being an unethical or simple offensive comment at its
> >best it raises a question: what gives you the right to brand a band as
> >being fascist. It's written easily, almost as a matter of fact. I would
> >hesitate to call anybody a nazi considering heaviness of that accusation.
>The bands who have deserved that label are those who have said themselves
>that they are nazis (or alternatively fascist + racist + thinking that
>Hitler was a great man; that's close enough) at one point or another.
>There is not a judgment on my side of any significance. The bands who
>receive this label are not likely to be offended by it.
> Then, recently Fenriz has said that he *isn't* a nazi after all ("jewish"
>just happens to mean "bad" in Norwegian and "arisk" just happens to mean
>"good" I guess, and Hitler was a nice man who built all those motorways...)
>and if it seems likely that he just said he was to seems more "true" and
>sell more albums (failed, as he lost the distribution instead...), then I
>might remove the label from Darkthrone.
The bands you've labeled as nazi are neither nazi nor racist. There is
an element of nationalism in their music (which by definion is "devotion
to the interests of a particular nation"). There is nothing wrong with
nationalism and an inch of national pride, don't you think? It's rather
sad what happens if a nation stops caring for its identity and traditions.
I am surprised Fenriz even cared to say he is not a nazi so obvious it
is. I guess the media and people like yourself got on his nerves.
Darkthrone are one of the most financially secure black metal bands. They
simply couldn't care less if some scummy, doomish label like Peaceville
would turn them down (the shock!). If Fenriz and Co. could raise enough
money to build their own recording studio I don't think they'll have any
problems with Peacevill boycotting them. Give me a break, Peaceville
needs Darkthrone, not vice versa.
> > Calling Burzum or Darkthrone nazi bands is not like saying something
> >like "their music sucks" it's quite different. I personally blame the
> >media for making monsters out of musicians. In my own opinion black metal
> >IS about music, not nazism.
>Neither do I think that Black Metal has anything to do with Nazism (although
>Black Metal is more than music to me). But I do have something againts
>nazis (or more specific, racists - fascism is another story), and in case
>there are more people who won't buy albums by albums by nazi band for
>ideological reasons, I put the warning sign there. Just as I warn people
>of the Christian Death Metal bands in the Deathgrind lists.
Ideology (be it nazism, racism, whatever) has nothing to do with music. If
you want to show how much you know about their ideology do it elsewhere.
Jews listen to Wagner because he was a great composer. Not listening to a
black metal band because of their beliefs is like not listening to
Entombed because they have a black person in their line-up. Let the
listener decide whether or not they like it.
> And BTW, about Burzum, mr Vikernes have carefully used the media for
>making a monster out of himself.
Mr. Vikernes will be happy to know that he had carefully used Thomas
Wolmer to make a monster out of himself on the Internet.
...Mitch
Andreas Cittlau
gore...@mindvox.phantom.com (kenningar) wrote:
> Great list, finely organized with intelligent comments... except the
Agreed, now if someone would point me to a similar existing list for thrash
and death metal I'll be one happy camper
>"Nazi warning". Being an unethical or simple offensive comment at its
>best it raises a question: what gives you the right to brand a band as
>being fascist. It's written easily, almost as a matter of fact. I would
>hesitate to call anybody a nazi considering heaviness of that accusation.
>
> Calling Burzum or Darkthrone nazi bands is not like saying something
>like "their music sucks" it's quite different. I personally blame the
>media for making monsters out of musicians. In my own opinion black metal
>IS about music, not nazism.
In my opinion it's about music too, but Burzum for one has stated in
interviews that he supports nazis and that he through his music tries to
create the same evilness (or something in that line)
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>In article <mgs1Xc...@mindvox.phantom.com> gore...@mindvox.phantom.com (kenningar) writes:
>> > Great list, finely organized with intelligent comments... except the
>> >"Nazi warning".
>>The bands who have deserved that label are those who have said themselves
>>that they are nazis (or alternatively fascist + racist + thinking that
>>Hitler was a great man; that's close enough) at one point or another.
> The bands you've labeled as nazi are neither nazi nor racist. There is
>an element of nationalism in their music (which by definion is "devotion
>to the interests of a particular nation"). There is nothing wrong with
>nationalism and an inch of national pride, don't you think? It's rather
>sad what happens if a nation stops caring for its identity and traditions.
Burzum (= Count Grishnakh) not a racist?
[From an interview by Gerry Sparaco, not sure if it was ever published,
Grishnakh talking about when he negotiated with Earache]
I wasn't too interested and Earache probably had problems
with the fact that I am a Nazi! It sems like the big zines around don't
tolerate that I have other ideas then they have themselves. THEY claim to
fight intolerance and at the same time don't tolerate Nazi bands
[And about Sataism and Nazism]
I laugh when I get letter from "Satanists" hating me for being a Nazi as
Nazism is "a bad thing"! Hey? Is Satanism a "good thing" then??????
Yes my fascism is related to oppressive dictatorships! I really don't wanna
call myself a Satanist as there are too many different views on what Satanism
is about. I believe these two current Stars in control wil fallllllll!
Fade away as the elder Gods did. I seek tommorrow, not today or yesterday!
I am a racist too of course, the Arian race, HEIL HITLER!
Open your fucking eyes, SAve the white race! In the states you have
fucking more Niggers than whites and the percentage of niggers increases
by the fucking minute! In some years you won't find one fucking blong little
girl over there, only this worthless half-breed! They are all Apes and it's
about time we treat them like apes too! My eternal support to Paul Barnley!
HEIL HIM! Kill the niggers!
[end quote]
In every interview when the topic surfaces, he claims to be a racist. And
a fascist. From an old Kerrang! interview: "I support all dictatorships.
Stalin, Hitler, Ceaucescu... and I will become the dictator of Scandinavia
myself."
In an interview in the Swedish Close-Up zine he further explains that his
futere plan is a white aryan Scandinavia..
Those were the elements of nationalism I could dig up in a haste (= I had
online). There is more, if you give me some time.
And in case anyone cares, I label myself anti-nationalist. All nations and
cultures (I know of) that have existed sucks/sucked, as a whole; I see
nothing to be proud of there.
And to go even further, pride is stupid too, at least when taken for anything
that you haven't achieved yourself.
> I am surprised Fenriz even cared to say he is not a nazi so obvious it
>is. I guess the media and people like yourself got on his nerves.
If it gets on his nerves, he shouldn't claim to play Norwegian Aryan Black
Metal (as I think you know, the aryans really were a indo-european people
in Persia and India or so; only in the case of Nazism has it been used
for germanic peoples) and rant about jewish scum (which he later explained
was because the Norwegian word for jew was also slang for idiot and he made
the mistake of using it in English too). I'm sorry that I don't have any
quotes here, and I am not sure how many I have available - people who
are better off, feel free to help me!
Oh, BTW: "There should be no room for individual thought in the world"
Personally, I think that Fenriz is a major wimp and I don't find it unlikely
that he makes "evil" statements just to look evil himself, even though
he doesn't share the views. But if he wants the world to believe that he
does, I'll let them know. Now; he recently said that he certainly isn't
a nazi (what is the source? I'd like to see what he's said) and that may
be a reason to remove the Nazi label in the list; I didn't think about the
fact that I had it there.
>Darkthrone are one of the most financially secure black metal bands. They
>simply couldn't care less if some scummy, doomish label like Peaceville
>would turn them down (the shock!). If Fenriz and Co. could raise enough
>money to build their own recording studio I don't think they'll have any
>problems with Peacevill boycotting them. Give me a break, Peaceville
>needs Darkthrone, not vice versa.
Yeah, at keast the first two-three Darkthrone albums sold well. Peaceville
appears to have felt not quite at ease with Darkthrone though, both because
of the church arsoning propaganda and then anti-jewish stuff. *They*
appear to view, or at least to have viewed, Darkthrone as nazist but they
are also against censorship they say so they let them release all the albums
they signed for.
>> >media for making monsters out of musicians. In my own opinion black metal
>> >IS about music, not nazism.
>
>>Neither do I think that Black Metal has anything to do with Nazism (although
>>Black Metal is more than music to me). But I do have something againts
>>nazis (or more specific, racists - fascism is another story), and in case
>>there are more people who won't buy albums by albums by nazi band for
>>ideological reasons, I put the warning sign there. Just as I warn people
>>of the Christian Death Metal bands in the Deathgrind lists.
>Ideology (be it nazism, racism, whatever) has nothing to do with music. If
>you want to show how much you know about their ideology do it elsewhere.
>Jews listen to Wagner because he was a great composer. Not listening to a
>black metal band because of their beliefs is like not listening to
>Entombed because they have a black person in their line-up. Let the
>listener decide whether or not they like it.
I have never said that I don't listen to bands because of what the
musicians say, or are. But I won't support them finacially by bying
their albums (new; I have sinned (hah :-) and got some stuff used).
And I didn't, in the Black Metal list, tell anyone not to listen to
something. I said that some bands were nazis. And that potentially
will make some people check out those bands, which they wouldn't have made
if no-one had told them about it. That isn't the intent of those comments
but the point is that I'm not telling anyone what they should do or believe.
If I thought that I could to that I might give it a try though.
>> And BTW, about Burzum, mr Vikernes have carefully used the media for
>>making a monster out of himself.
>
> Mr. Vikernes will be happy to know that he had carefully used Thomas
>Wolmer to make a monster out of himself on the Internet.
There is no direct interaction between me and him but yes, I'm acting as a
channel for it. I think I can afford that. I'd rather see him dead -
probably not for the same reasons as why some others do though - but there's
not much I can do about that right now.
kenningar
Would you give the date when this interview was given? It's not very
fresh, is it? It's almost funny to read this and know that public got
scared and upset at Varg. I mean really, did YOU take those words
seriously? Varg has long since abandoned whatever nazism and satanism he
was involved with. It's very regretful that so many narrow minded people
still consider paganism to be satanism.
Oh, and while I'm on the Earache topic lets get something straight.
Earache (Digby Pearson) was interested in Burzum so much that he (Dig)
visited count in Norway and chattered with him. Count wasn't too excited
about the whole thing and turned Earache down.
>In every interview when the topic surfaces, he claims to be a racist. And
>a fascist. From an old Kerrang! interview: "I support all dictatorships.
>Stalin, Hitler, Ceaucescu... and I will become the dictator of Scandinavia
>myself."
>In an interview in the Swedish Close-Up zine he further explains that his
>futere plan is a white aryan Scandinavia..
>
Oh please! Old Kerrang? Is that where Euronymous called all black metal
bands "devil worshippers"? Kerrang wants the dirt, Kerrangs prints the
dirt. Varg resents assholes who buy every printed word. I know better
than read the yellow press.
>Those were the elements of nationalism I could dig up in a haste (= I had
>online). There is more, if you give me some time.
>And in case anyone cares, I label myself anti-nationalist. All nations and
>cultures (I know of) that have existed sucks/sucked, as a whole; I see
>nothing to be proud of there.
>And to go even further, pride is stupid too, at least when taken for
>anything that you haven't achieved yourself.
I see christianity has done a fine job on you. The nation who lets her
traditions die has no future. "All nations and cultures that have existed
suck"? Are you saying your nation and culture sucks? Are you going to do
anything to make it better? A nation dies when it loses her bonds with
ancestors and culture.
> > I am surprised Fenriz even cared to say he is not a nazi so obvious it
> >is. I guess the media and people like yourself got on his nerves.
>If it gets on his nerves, he shouldn't claim to play Norwegian Aryan Black
>Metal (as I think you know, the aryans really were a indo-european people
>in Persia and India or so; only in the case of Nazism has it been used
>for germanic peoples) and rant about jewish scum (which he later explained
>was because the Norwegian word for jew was also slang for idiot and he made
>the mistake of using it in English too). I'm sorry that I don't have any
>quotes here, and I am not sure how many I have available - people who
>are better off, feel free to help me!
>Oh, BTW: "There should be no room for individual thought in the world"
How easily you fall for quotes. Fenriz and Greven don't care how you
feel. They are great musicians and that's enough for me to respect them.
People who get offended at their obviously provocative interviews are
pathetic bourgeoisie victims.
>Personally, I think that Fenriz is a major wimp and I don't find it unlikely
>that he makes "evil" statements just to look evil himself, even though
>he doesn't share the views. But if he wants the world to believe that he
>does, I'll let them know. Now; he recently said that he certainly isn't
>a nazi (what is the source? I'd like to see what he's said) and that may
>be a reason to remove the Nazi label in the list; I didn't think about the
>fact that I had it there.
From what you write I personally think that you're a major wimp too.
But that's irrelevant isn't it? Who cares? But it's different when you
slander someone a lot of people care for.
> >Darkthrone are one of the most financially secure black metal bands. They
> >simply couldn't care less if some scummy, doomish label like Peaceville
> >would turn them down (the shock!). If Fenriz and Co. could raise enough
> >money to build their own recording studio I don't think they'll have any
> >problems with Peacevill boycotting them. Give me a break, Peaceville
> >needs Darkthrone, not vice versa.
>Yeah, at keast the first two-three Darkthrone albums sold well. Peaceville
>appears to have felt not quite at ease with Darkthrone though, both because
>of the church arsoning propaganda and then anti-jewish stuff. *They*
>appear to view, or at least to have viewed, Darkthrone as nazist but they
>are also against censorship they say so they let them release all the albums
>they signed for.
Just in case you haven't seen the US release of "Soulside..." it WAS
censored with a permanent sticker. Apparently, Peaceville, who were
misguided enough to believe Darkthrone were nazis, considered a couple of
"fuck"'s to be much more offensive than fascism. So much for political
correctness.
>I have never said that I don't listen to bands because of what the
>musicians say, or are. But I won't support them finacially by bying
>their albums (new; I have sinned (hah :-) and got some stuff used).
>And I didn't, in the Black Metal list, tell anyone not to listen to
>something. I said that some bands were nazis. And that potentially
>will make some people check out those bands, which they wouldn't have made
>if no-one had told them about it. That isn't the intent of those comments
>but the point is that I'm not telling anyone what they should do or believe.
>If I thought that I could to that I might give it a try though.
Haha, so now you're a saint? The fact that you labeled band as nazi
will attract people to buy it? Meet Mr. Wolmer, the man who promotes Nazi
Black Metal bands. You're all messed up in your head, dude. You can't be
against nazism and promote nazi bands.
> >> And BTW, about Burzum, mr Vikernes have carefully used the media for
> >>making a monster out of himself.
> >
> > Mr. Vikernes will be happy to know that he had carefully used Thomas
> >Wolmer to make a monster out of himself on the Internet.
>There is no direct interaction between me and him but yes, I'm acting as a
>channel for it. I think I can afford that. I'd rather see him dead -
>probably not for the same reasons as why some others do though - but there's
>not much I can do about that right now.
You're no better than Vikernes if you want to see him dead. You want
him to be dead as much as he wanted to kill Euronymous. "...there's not
much I can do about that right now"? That's a hell of a thing to say. I
bet you want to get your hands of Varg, eh? Where's your tolerance?
Where's your good will? Look at yourself before accusing someone else.
Btw, I'd like to see the black metal list in its "uncensored" version.
You may or may not do it, I won't be too hurt either way. I just thought
we could start with getting rid of fascism on the net.
...Mitch gore...@phantom.com
Asbjørn Bjørnstad
In my opinion, any band that calls themselves nazi/fascist/christian/...
deserves to be labeled. They have already labeled themselves, and have
no right to start whining just because it didn't turn out to be such a
publicity stunt as they thought.
If you don't want to be called a nazi, don't call yourself a nazi.
The fact that Thomas Wolmer removes the warning if they say that
they arent nazis anymore makes it even less objectionable.
--
-asbjorn "If it is too good to be true, it probably is."
-James Randi
kenningar
> If you don't want to be called a nazi, don't call yourself a nazi.
>
> The fact that Thomas Wolmer removes the warning if they say that
> they arent nazis anymore makes it even less objectionable.
Okay, let me take another shot of Jack to calm my nerves down and
repeat what I said. The facts: Fenriz (from Mr. Wolmer's own words) said
that he is NOT a nazi, that the whole "jew" thing was a liguistic mistake.
Varg is his interview (which was posted here a couple months ago and
which I have in my home directory) said he is NOT a nazi.
Now, you have two choices: to remove the nazi warning from the list or
seek refuge in a subjective assumption that both had lied. It's your
choice really, to say "okay, they say they are not nazis, I'll take their
words for it" or "no! I don't care what those nazi bastards say! I'm a
stubborn, hard-headed imbecile who shall obstinate his prejudices."
...Mitch gore...@phantom.com
Thomas Wolmer
[Quote from Count Grishnakh interview (which, and I don't think even Mitch
denies this, indicated some racist opinions) deleted]
>
> Would you give the date when this interview was given?
Just after he'd killed Euronymous, so that would be August? September? 1993.
> It's not very
>fresh, is it?
Not *that* old.
It's almost funny to read this and know that public got
>scared and upset at Varg. I mean really, did YOU take those words
>seriously?
This isn't the first time he says this. He has said equal stuff in private
correspondence with people I know. This means that he either 1) Really
means, or meant it, or 2) Wants to make a monster out of himself.
He also made interviews in Norwegian press at the same time, using more
polished language but saying about the same, at least concerning Norway.
His mother has said that he really is a nice guy, and that she can't
understand why he (note; she didn't say Thomas Wolmer) makes a monster
out of himself.
So, is he serious or does he just want us to believe that he is so evil?
Does it matter, for the purpose of the Black Metal List?
> Varg has long since abandoned whatever nazism and satanism he
>was involved with.
I suppose you are referring to the Sounds Of Death interview? I do not
believe that he was ever very seriously into Satanism (what would be wrong
with that anyway?), and what he said in the interview is close enough to
Nazism'for me. OK, there fell my statement about not making judgments. Here
are some relevant quotes from the interview (C) Sounds of Death Magazine 1994:
:Taoiseach: As for Cymophane, all are not Nordic, yet common goals and
:similar views draws the affiliates together. What do you see as
:Cymophane's goals?
:Varg: We all have different goals I guess, but the revival of pride and
:honor must be something ranking high on all lists. Aye, not all are Nordic
:but the vast majority are Germanic. Some Celt blood and roman, but our
:FILOSOFEM is strictly Norse-Germanic. The Celts and romans are just
:allies, not one of us, just like I am not one of them because I am
:Norse-Germanic and not Celt nor roman. This is racial paganism. The
:blood-axis.
: So one goal is to segregate all the peoples. The Celts shall worship
:their gods, the Negroes shall worship their gods, the romans shall worship
:their gods and so on with all races and peoples.
His "racial paganism" and "racial survivalism" *is* racism.
Then, about him not being a Nazi:
: The average person is degenerated by the same Judeo-Christianity leaving
:him incapable of reasoning on a higher level at all. If anybody talks bad
:about the Jews, our world's prejudiced sub-humanity automatically stamp
:him as the "Nazi-scum" or a "prejudiced-fuck" and a "racist." The average
:person does not even realize what the Jews are up to. Simply read the
:bible (2 Mos 19:5, 5 Mos 6:10-19; 1-3, 16-24; 20:10-17) and see for
::yourselves. What is more racial than to claim to be "Gods chosen people"?
:So who is the real racists?
In fact, he's right here, Judaism is a racist religion.
:Taoiseach: The accusations of your National Socialist beliefs are
:abundant. What's the truth behind this, Varg?
:Varg: Prejudice. The Jews made the world believe in the holocaust-lie, and
:whenever a blond, tall, proud norseman with sky -blue eyes, like myself,
:says anything negative about the pestilence called Judeo-Christianity and
:its roots, the Jews, he gets automatically stamped as a "nazi." I am not
:necessarily a National Socialist just because I have realized the
:holocaust story is but a big lie and because I acknowledge the fact that
:the Jews are the root of the Judeo-Christian thornbush. Attack the bush
:and you get hurt, attack the roots and the bush dies. This is not racism,
:it is racial - survivalism. Survival of the unique pure races.
: So the reason I am scorned as a "nazi" is the many lies of the Jews and
:the worlds prejudices as a result of their lies. ERWACHE!!!
Oh well.
He has now become "intellectual", he says Aye instead of Yes, he makes
frequent use of words like esoteric and exoteric, and he has dropped
"nigger" and "slave people" from his vocabualry. Apart from that I can't
see much difference.
> It's very regretful that so many narrow minded people
>still consider paganism to be satanism.
It is. But that's completely irrelevant here.
> Oh, and while I'm on the Earache topic lets get something straight.
>Earache (Digby Pearson) was interested in Burzum so much that he (Dig)
>visited count in Norway and chattered with him. Count wasn't too excited
>about the whole thing and turned Earache down.
He did seem interested at least. It looked like that in the same letters
to a friend of mine I referred to above. I'm afraid I can't quote them
though, in any of the cases, because she didn't let me read the whole
letters to begin with and I hardly have any contact with her any longer
anyway (the letters were mostly from summer 1993).
>> From an old Kerrang! interview: "I support all dictatorships.
>>Stalin, Hitler, Ceaucescu... and I will become the dictator of Scandinavia
>>myself."
> Oh please! Old Kerrang?
OK, OK, we're talking sensationalist media here, but does that mean he
didn't say the above? The controversity in statements like the above
has sold more than a few albums for the Norwegian Black Metal bands...
The rest of the article felt about as relevant here as Zorik's and
Jeroen's "Better Place" discussion in alt.thrash. I've responed to
Mitch in email. If anyone wants to join in, tell me.
Thomas Wolmer
>asbj...@ifi.uio.no (Asbjørn Bjørnstad) writes:
>> If you don't want to be called a nazi, don't call yourself a nazi.
>>
>> The fact that Thomas Wolmer removes the warning if they say that
>> they arent nazis anymore makes it even less objectionable.
>
> Okay, let me take another shot of Jack to calm my nerves down and
>repeat what I said. The facts: Fenriz (from Mr. Wolmer's own words) said
>that he is NOT a nazi, that the whole "jew" thing was a liguistic mistake.
He *says* that the "jew" thing was a mistake; I'm not sure if he's said
the same about the "aryan" thing. Either way, I don't believe him,
whether he's offensive or apologetic. Damn fake. Dressing up as a glam
rocker when he recorded "Soulside Journey".
But it annoys me that I can't find *any* of these interviews. If any
of the people, mostly on IRC, who told me many if these things could
point me to the sources I'd be grateful.
>Varg is his interview (which was posted here a couple months ago and
>which I have in my home directory) said he is NOT a nazi.
I responed to that in a previous posting...
> Now, you have two choices: to remove the nazi warning from the list or
>seek refuge in a subjective assumption that both had lied. It's your
>choice really, to say "okay, they say they are not nazis, I'll take their
>words for it" or "no! I don't care what those nazi bastards say! I'm a
>stubborn, hard-headed imbecile who shall obstinate his prejudices."
It's not unlikely that I'll remove it from Darkthrone (and replace it with
"Poser warning!" instead :-) but for Burzum - no way.
kenningar
> He *says* that the "jew" thing was a mistake; I'm not sure if he's said
> the same about the "aryan" thing. Either way, I don't believe him,
> whether he's offensive or apologetic. Damn fake. Dressing up as a glam
> rocker when he recorded "Soulside Journey".
Well, the translation of "arisk" in Fenriz's version means "true" so
I'll stick to that. Bon Jovi t-shit is like his "offensive statements"
it's for effect only. I bet Matti Karki (or whoever Fenriz was staying
with) had fits of blind rage every time his eyes fell on the t-shirt.
> > Now, you have two choices: to remove the nazi warning from the list or
> >seek refuge in a subjective assumption that both had lied. It's your
> >choice really, to say "okay, they say they are not nazis, I'll take their
> >words for it" or "no! I don't care what those nazi bastards say! I'm a
> >stubborn, hard-headed imbecile who shall obstinate his prejudices."
>
> It's not unlikely that I'll remove it from Darkthrone (and replace it with
> "Poser warning!" instead :-) but for Burzum - no way.
Okay, this discussion has reached its end. Do whatever. Happy new year.
Have a nice life.
...Mitch
RexCaronis
NO idea what Satansim is about. Yet they seem to. "I am your disciple
and therefore my own." to quote Darkthrone. Yes, my own. As a Satanist,
I could give two shits about Jews, niggers, spicks, wops, micks, krauts or
anybody. I do have certain racist views, but I'm not going to start an
anti-nigger crusade. One of my best friends happens to be Jewish. He and
his brother both listen to Darkthrone and love it; they could give two
shits if Fenriz wants to be a Nazi. In fact, my friend is 100%
Transilvanian, which so many Norweigans mention in their songs again and
again. Hypocrites! Evil is self, complete self, and everything that is
against good. Evil does not discriminate. I hate all human beings in
general. Grishnack is deluded; he is wasting his time with any cause. He
should just worry about himself. Also, he should have blown up that
church then killed Euronymous. Actually, he shouldn't have killed
Euronymous at all; he fucked up Mayehm and Burzum. I listen to both
Burzum and Darkthrone. Throne is my favorite band. I think their music
is beautiful and exalting. Who cares if they're idiots? Bach was a
fucking christian!
Rex Caronis, Poeta Sathanae
God is a Lie
>It's not unlikely that I'll remove it from Darkthrone (and replace it with
>"Poser warning!" instead :-) but for Burzum - no way.
look, no relation to this debate, but i think mr wolmer is doing what
the pmrc should've done: if you find the content to be objectionable (as he
does), put out a list of the offenders. but don't go fuck with their labels,
or the buyers of their stuff. congrats d90-two!
but we all know that mr wolmer is varg's mother...
- svn
The day drew long shadows over the splintery wood and the bowed, hot, muted
heads of the crowd. To the left, a final gasp. In the center all eyes were.
Hands strained against bloody holes of gouging, ragged nailing, and feet
twisting on their spindle. Breath came slowly. Then, faster, and soon faster.
In his mind the Nazarene could see her bent over his groin, working for his
pleasure, her face strained. "Oh..." he murmured. The crowd pushed forward.
"Oh!" he gasped, "Oh, God! Oh, Mary! Oh...", spraying his thick semen on the
faithful, and into the mud. -- sven przk/nazarapine, inc.
Thomas Wolmer
> look, no relation to this debate, but i think mr wolmer is doing what
>the pmrc should've done: if you find the content to be objectionable (as he
>does), put out a list of the offenders. but don't go fuck with their labels,
>or the buyers of their stuff. congrats d90-two!
> but we all know that mr wolmer is varg's mother...
I am aware of this, as I even told Mr Gorelord. What I'm surprised of is that
no one has mentioned the comparision closing the circle - forcing certain
people to wear six-pointed stars or pink triangles. And starting a hate/
blame campaign against them. This *must* have come up in the PMRC debate
over there, right?
Thomas Wolmer
>d90...@black21.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer) writes:
> Well, the translation of "arisk" in Fenriz's version means "true" so
>I'll stick to that.
And I don't buy it. Hey Norwegians, we never got a real answer last time
this was up! Does anyone (apart from Fenriz that is) use arisk and
judisk for true and false?
> Bon Jovi t-shit is like his "offensive statements"
>it's for effect only.
Possibly. But then, why shouldn't "Nazi warning" achive the same, supposedly
effect? (that goes of course for the "offensive statements" only).
> I bet Matti Karki (or whoever Fenriz was staying
>with) had fits of blind rage every time his eyes fell on the t-shirt.
Nicke Andersson. Should that be the reason...?
> Okay, this discussion has reached its end. Do whatever. Happy new year.
Some of it was interesting at least. And I can even enjoy the disliking
of me from two different groups of readers here... a new experience.
>Have a nice life.
Doubtly.
entombed
puts up a warning. just look at "Parental Advisory" thing over here in
the states. Does it stop you from buyin it? No. i think in some cases
it even creates more potential buyers for the record. same with these
warnings - nobody's telling you "NOT" to get it.
And if you dont like the list, then maintain your own.
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God is a Lie
>I am aware of this, as I even told Mr Gorelord. What I'm surprised of is that
>no one has mentioned the comparision closing the circle - forcing certain
>people to wear six-pointed stars or pink triangles. And starting a hate/
>blame campaign against them. This *must* have come up in the PMRC debate
>over there, right?
no - our country has not yet had enough of a fascist scare to take that
sort of stuff as anything but adolescent posturing (although i agree
completely, and can find you worse examples - land of the what? and home of the
what?).
ahwell. i am more of an artistic nutcase in that i don't care as long
as it's not propaganda, but this country takes things too far -- people either
care a whole lot and try to stifle the issue, or they don't care and let it
fester. sic semper democracy!
Asbjørn Bjørnstad
> In article <Pg1Byc...@mindvox.phantom.com> gore...@mindvox.phantom.com (kenningar) writes:
> > Well, the translation of "arisk" in Fenriz's version means "true" so
> >I'll stick to that.
>
> And I don't buy it. Hey Norwegians, we never got a real answer last time
> this was up! Does anyone (apart from Fenriz that is) use arisk and
> judisk for true and false?
None I know of. Maybe in some of the more "nationalist" environments...
Btw. Earlier this week one newspaper here in norway reported that
Grishnack no longer was a satanist. He was more into nationalism "instead".
He supposedly didn't care much for the black metal style either, and
has started his own company together with his mom.
This is tabloid press, and not an interview (He don't give any, they
said.) so you might not want to believe what you didn't know already.
Leonid Makarovsky
>Btw. Earlier this week one newspaper here in norway reported that
>Grishnack no longer was a satanist. He was more into nationalism "instead".
>He supposedly didn't care much for the black metal style either, and
>has started his own company together with his mom.
>
>This is tabloid press, and not an interview (He don't give any, they
I kinda didn't get it.....
Isn't he supposed to be in jail? What's going on? How come new Burzum album is
supposed to be out? Do they allow to make a records while someone is in jail?
--Leonid
kenningar
>
> Btw. Earlier this week one newspaper here in norway reported that
> Grishnack no longer was a satanist. He was more into nationalism "instead".
One word... DUH! They got it.
> He supposedly didn't care much for the black metal style either, and
> has started his own company together with his mom.
He can do that sitting in jail? He can play behind bars? Fascinating.
Does it mean "Flilosofem" is not going to be black metal?
>
> This is tabloid press, and not an interview (He don't give any, they
> said.) so you might not want to believe what you didn't know already.
*groan* I know this wouldn't make much sense to the people outside the
US but O.J. Simpson crap reminds me of Varg. Get over it already. It's
not Varg, it's the media and press that cause unrest.
...Mitch gore...@phantom.com
Asbjørn Bjørnstad
> > He supposedly didn't care much for the black metal style either, and
> > has started his own company together with his mom.
>
> He can do that sitting in jail? He can play behind bars? Fascinating.
> Does it mean "Flilosofem" is not going to be black metal?
He supposedly have his guitar with him at least, I don't know about
recording. I think the tracks to "Filosofem" was recorded before he
was put in jail so that one might still be black metal.(I don't have
the paper, so I'm not sure.) It is illegal to run a company from the
cell here in Norway, and that was the main point of the story. That
might apply to playing in a band too I guess.
Arnoud Helmantel
>well, i just think that it really makes no big deal if Mr. Wolmer
>puts up a warning. just look at "Parental Advisory" thing over here in
>the states. Does it stop you from buyin it? No. i think in some cases
>it even creates more potential buyers for the record. same with these
>warnings - nobody's telling you "NOT" to get it.
>And if you dont like the list, then maintain your own.
Well, I think that a warning "Nazi" or "Fascist" is _slightly_ different
from a warning of Parental Advisory shit. You must be a total idiot to start
buying albums with a 'nazi' warning just because that would be cool, cos the
whole nazi business is NOT cool....
Ok, it is a _warning_, but still... I'm happy to know such things... I would
hate to support a band which have things like "arisk black metal" on their
cover. Luckily the music in that album is so bad that there is a small
chance of me buying it, but I wouldn't like to find out afterwards...
Mjollnir
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: Well, I think that a warning "Nazi" or "Fascist" is _slightly_ different
: from a warning of Parental Advisory shit. You must be a total idiot to start
: buying albums with a 'nazi' warning just because that would be cool, cos the
: whole nazi business is NOT cool....
: Ok, it is a _warning_, but still... I'm happy to know such things... I would
: hate to support a band which have things like "arisk black metal" on their
: cover. Luckily the music in that album is so bad that there is a small
: chance of me buying it, but I wouldn't like to find out afterwards...
It's still stupid though. You can lable the skinhead bands like Screwdriver,
Nazi, but a band like Burzum, where because the lead singer said that in an
interview? ...to be a nazi band the lyrics would have to be nazi oriented. If
the lead singer of a band is jewish do you put 'hebrew warning'...I mean he
may be a follower of that religion or whatever, but if he doesn't use it in
the lyrics! There is a HUGE difference between nationalism and nazi... and
unfortunately people here in the US have no idea how important natinalism and
patriotism is for a small country like the ones in europe. I'm SICK of people
jumping on a guy for mentioning something like that, and they lable him a
nazi. Of course what he said was deplorable, but hey we have people jumping on
fat people, on fags etc, nobody seems to get that worked up about it. Leave
the guy alone, if those are his views... he's not trying to impose them thru
the music. You should have put maybe
'Warning: don't buy this because your huge amount of $10 for the tape is gonna
go to a racist' oh no, not $10, he's gonna destroy the world, he's gonna buy a
nuclear missle. Dork, I am 100% against his views, but what your doing is
fuckin censorship (sp) and you fuckin suck! (BTW this goes to the original
poster)
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Jerome Abramovitch
: *groan* I know this wouldn't make much sense to the people outside the
: US but O.J. Simpson crap reminds me of Varg. Get over it already. It's
: not Varg, it's the media and press that cause unrest.
: ...Mitch gore...@phantom.com
Ah, O.J. Simpson.... Varg Vikernes. I think that perhaps O.J. killed
Euronymus and Varg killed Nicole Simpson Brown. Where does JFK fit in?
Jerome
Glen Cirje
: >Ah, O.J. Simpson.... Varg Vikernes. I think that perhaps O.J. killed
: >Euronymus and Varg killed Nicole Simpson Brown. Where does JFK fit in?
: he was fucking nicole up the ass, which angered the juice in the first
: place.
What right does he have to get pissed
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> What right does he have to get pissed
now, he's got none: all corpses are universally consenting.
ka...@cvillage.com
IA>entombed wrote:
IA>>well, i just think that it really makes no big deal if Mr. Wolmer
IA>>puts up a warning. just look at "Parental Advisory" thing over here in
IA>>the states. Does it stop you from buyin it? No. i think in some cases
IA>>it even creates more potential buyers for the record. same with these
IA>>warnings - nobody's telling you "NOT" to get it.
IA>>And if you dont like the list, then maintain your own.
IA>Well, I think that a warning "Nazi" or "Fascist" is _slightly_ different
IA>from a warning of Parental Advisory shit. You must be a total idiot to start
IA>buying albums with a 'nazi' warning just because that would be cool, cos the
IA>whole nazi business is NOT cool....
IA>Ok, it is a _warning_, but still... I'm happy to know such things... I would
IA>hate to support a band which have things like "arisk black metal" on their
IA>cover. Luckily the music in that album is so bad that there is a small
IA>chance of me buying it, but I wouldn't like to find out afterwards...
Agreed that hte Nazi thing isn't cool, but what if someone got labled a
Nazi when they wern't? (And I'm not saything that I'll so much as TOUCH
the music of ANY sort of racist that I find out about... aside from his
total lack of talent, that's why I'd like to get a vice grip with my
half inch long nails on Axl Rose's miniscule balls) I jsut remember
that one of my friends was in a band nad some drunk girl seduced him--
you men will know what it'd be like if some drunk chick who you'e always
admired (hehehe... really, really admired) advances on you, even drunk.
She was all over him, and he couldn't really help himself when shge
started.. errr... *CENCORED!* No one would see his band becuase tehy
all said he wa a rapist even though SHE seduced him, and eventually he
got kicked out of hte band. So I've learned to be careful about the
lables other people slap on people-- you know, see for yourself before
you judge.
Kass (the Lass)
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