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Malevolent Creation racists? Evidence, opinions, anyone?

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thel...@my-dejanews.com

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I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
lyrics?

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Aaron Maltz

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thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

There's that one song on Retribution (I think?), where the last line
is sung, "You fucking n-ggers!", contrary to what is written in the
lyric sheet. It ruined the album for me.
Aaron

AleX

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Well, I know that jason was kicked out of the band for wearing a KKK shirt at
one of the shows. The band were always denying that they were in fact racist,
which is explainable...

avernus

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I lived in Orlando Florida most of my life, im not surprised if there racist or
use racial overtones.Most but not all of the negroes/hispanics were racists
towards others then there own(that ive ever delt with),so go figure.
Florida is full of them!

Ryan

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Aaron Maltz wrote:
>
> thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
> >that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
> >back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
> >many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
> >this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
> >few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
> >similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
> >lyrics?
> >
> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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> There's that one song on Retribution (I think?), where the last line
> is sung, "You fucking n-ggers!", contrary to what is written in the
> lyric sheet. It ruined the album for me.
> Aaron


Why should it ruin the album for anyone? It's only an opinion.

Song in question is "They Breed" off ETERNAL. RETRIBUTION had no
racism, nor did any of their albums before ETERNAL.

Ryan
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Ryan

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AleX wrote:
>
> Well, I know that jason was kicked out of the band for wearing a KKK shirt at
> one of the shows. The band were always denying that they were in fact racist,
> which is explainable...


Where did you hear Jason got kicked out of MC for that? I heard
differently, that it had to do with money.

Ryan
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Ryan

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
> forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
> bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones). Yeah there are racist overtones
> in their lyrics...another racist overtone is that a song on Stillborn ends
> with "...someday you will feel the hate, YOU FUCING NIGGERS!!!" Sounds
> like an overtone to me! Hahahaha.
>
> Fuck gangsters...
>


The YOU FUCKING NIGGERS song is "They Breed," on ETERNAL.

I agree that the attack seems aimed at the "gangstas" out there who want
the world handed to them or else they'll indulge a life of crime.
To me, those people ARE fucking niggers. I doubt Malevolent really
condemns every black person on the face of the earth, especially
considering bands like Suffocation have or have had black members and
some of their fans are undoubtedly black. Even if they DO it doesn't
particularly bother me, even if I don't have a problem with black people
personally. Before I'm accused as such I'll quickly reiterate --
niggers are the lowlifes out there committing senseless crimes and
wasting our oxygen. They deserve no sympathy. Blacks are the people
out there who work and struggle like everyone else.

In the end, despite however much you may disagree with them, it is just
an opinion. I don't think they're encouraging people to run out and
assault blacks. For those who haven't heard the song (and it's a killer
song just because the music is so brutal), these are the lyrics in their
entirety. Decide for yourself.

"THEY BREED"
Born into this world of filth
A plague in every city
The real world is not so real
Filled with scum and lying thieves

Threats of pain, claiming lives
When we owe you nothing
Forced to live in fear forever,
Still they breed

Always wanting, always taking
What was never yours
Someday you will feel the hate
That you give to others

Filled with diseases, still they breed

Hate towards you, and your kind
Bad blood flows forever
My life is not complete
Until you've killed each other

Always wanting, always taking
What was never yours
Someday you will feel the hate
You fucking niggers


Ryan
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Ninnghizhidda

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:32:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
wrote:

>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).

lack of a dominant metal gene allows the recessive "pit scratching
jungle bunny faggot" gene exert influence.

it's good that people think about these things.

-Daemonic

"We have no dreams at all or interesting ones.
We should learn to be awake in the same way - not
at all or in an interesting manner."
-Nietzsche

goden

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:36:49 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
vomited forth:

>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:32:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).
>
>lack of a dominant metal gene allows the recessive "pit scratching
>jungle bunny faggot" gene exert influence.
>
>it's good that people think about these things.

can't we all just toke a bong?

>-Daemonic
>
>"We have no dreams at all or interesting ones.
>We should learn to be awake in the same way - not
>at all or in an interesting manner."
> -Nietzsche


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AleX

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It was mentioned in their latest interview in Terrorizer.

Ninnghizhidda

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:45:52 GMT, goden (goden) wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:36:49 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
>vomited forth:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:32:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>>>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>>>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).
>>
>>lack of a dominant metal gene allows the recessive "pit scratching
>>jungle bunny faggot" gene exert influence.
>>
>>it's good that people think about these things.
>
>can't we all just toke a bong?

not without a XskillzX gene we cant.

goden

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:26:36 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
vomited forth:

>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:45:52 GMT, goden (goden) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:36:49 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
>>vomited forth:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:32:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>>>>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>>>>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).
>>>
>>>lack of a dominant metal gene allows the recessive "pit scratching
>>>jungle bunny faggot" gene exert influence.
>>>
>>>it's good that people think about these things.
>>
>>can't we all just toke a bong?
>
>not without a XskillzX gene we cant.

However, if everyone is wearing their favorite pair of jeans, that's
also acceptable.

>-Daemonic
>
>"We have no dreams at all or interesting ones.
>We should learn to be awake in the same way - not
>at all or in an interesting manner."

> -Nietzsche, bong-tokin' XmadmanX!

Martyr333

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Sep 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/23/98
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>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones). Yeah there are racist overtones
>in their lyrics...another racist overtone is that a song on Stillborn ends
>with "...someday you will feel the hate, YOU FUCING NIGGERS!!!" Sounds
>like an overtone to me! Hahahaha.
>
>Fuck gangsters...
>>
>
>
>Damean
>KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/

You won't see me going to your deicide page again.......like you care anyways,
i mean since you probably hate mexican people like me too huh?

Times like this, I wish I was god.
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jorge

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Soul Reaper wrote in message ...

>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).

hmmm... if we have to generalize, a lot of whites in North America are pure
scum too - just look around. So it's a matter of who the person is, IMO.
There's shit people of all races.


Yeah there are racist overtones
>in their lyrics...another racist overtone is that a song on Stillborn ends
>with "...someday you will feel the hate, YOU FUCING NIGGERS!!!" Sounds
>like an overtone to me! Hahahaha.
>
>Fuck gangsters...
>

>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists...
someone
>> that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few
years
>> back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are
too
>> many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
>> this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more
than a
>> few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
>> similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
>> lyrics?
>>
>> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
>> http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum
>>
>>
>
>

>Damean
>KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
>**************************
>A heart dies
>drowning in the night's blood
>Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
>Can't resist the night's sweet blood...
>
>--Dissection "Night's Blood"
>**************************
>
>
>
>

Ninnghizhidda

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:30:44 GMT, goden (goden) wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:26:36 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
>vomited forth:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:45:52 GMT, goden (goden) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:36:49 GMT, yog_s...@juno.com (Ninnghizhidda)
>>>vomited forth:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:32:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>>>>>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle
>>>>>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones).
>>>>

>>>>lack of a dominant metal gene allows the recessive "pit scratching
>>>>jungle bunny faggot" gene exert influence.
>>>>
>>>>it's good that people think about these things.
>>>
>>>can't we all just toke a bong?
>>
>>not without a XskillzX gene we cant.
>
>However, if everyone is wearing their favorite pair of jeans, that's
>also acceptable.

provided that it still reeks of the semen spilled on it while you were
blowing your favorite crack dealer.

>>"We have no XskillzX at all or interesting ones.

Nina Mala

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Oh, you Mexicans are the worst...

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>
>>Yes, Malevolent are racists and it's about fucking time someone came
>>forward and said that most niggers are a bunch of pit-scratching jungle

>>bunny faggots. (Excluding the metal ones). Yeah there are racist overtones


>>in their lyrics...another racist overtone is that a song on Stillborn ends
>>with "...someday you will feel the hate, YOU FUCING NIGGERS!!!" Sounds
>>like an overtone to me! Hahahaha.
>>
>>Fuck gangsters...
>>>
>>
>>

thel...@my-dejanews.com

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Actually... there are several references to "genocide" and "ancestral power"
etc. on Retribution. And in the song "Mindlock" towards the end, where he
says "take this genocidal toke... Monster!" he seems to be referring to said
drug being a genocidal tool to destroy these "monsters" which he is referring
to as a race, which I assume is the African American one. And something
tells me that he meant it in an offensive, racist way, unfortunately, as that
is one of the better songs on the album musically...


>
> Why should it ruin the album for anyone? It's only an opinion.
>
> Song in question is "They Breed" off ETERNAL. RETRIBUTION had no
> racism, nor did any of their albums before ETERNAL.
>
> Ryan
> http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html
>

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Ryan

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thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Actually... there are several references to "genocide" and "ancestral power"
> etc. on Retribution. And in the song "Mindlock" towards the end, where he
> says "take this genocidal toke... Monster!" he seems to be referring to said
> drug being a genocidal tool to destroy these "monsters" which he is referring
> to as a race, which I assume is the African American one. And something
> tells me that he meant it in an offensive, racist way, unfortunately, as that
> is one of the better songs on the album musically...


I think you're misinterpreting the song "Monster." The "Monster" he
refers to is the savage addiction which has led to crime, thus it has
grown into a "Monster." I always thought the song referred to a
government plot perpetrated against minorities, and was in fact a
criticism of this. "Who will pay for the lies?" Brett says at one
point. Maybe you're right about the "ancestral power" thing, but I'm
pretty sure "Monster" isn't a racist attack.

Ryan

K. Sarikhani

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Aaron Maltz wrote:

> There's that one song on Retribution (I think?), where the last line
> is sung, "You fucking n-ggers!", contrary to what is written in the
> lyric sheet. It ruined the album for me.
> Aaron

No, its on "Eternal." The song is called "They Breed." It IS a musically
piledriving song, however.

K. Sarikhani [eu...@mindspring.com]


DrkTrick

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>I agree that the attack seems aimed at the "gangstas" out there who want
>the world handed to them or else they'll indulge a life of crime.
>To me, those people ARE fucking niggers.

>Before I'm accused as such I'll quickly reiterate --


>niggers are the lowlifes out there committing senseless crimes and
>wasting our oxygen. They deserve no sympathy. Blacks are the people
>out there who work and struggle like everyone else.

If you are talking about lowlifes and criminals, why not say "lowlifes and
criminals" instead of throwing out such a racially charged word? Don't be lazy
and rely on epithets to express yourself.
Dan
a.k.a The Artist Formerly Known As DroghedaGC

fuck_yo...@evilmusic.com

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> I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
> that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
> back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
> many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
> this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
> few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
> similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
> lyrics?

They had a very preachy song called "They Live" about black people. It was
not much fun because it was highly political and made me think they were
Christians or Jews.

As far as their take on folks of Hispanic descent, they are from Florida -
which, like most of the rest of the South, is under invasion by a group of
people calling themselves "La Raza" (The Race).

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Paul Wilbur

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I have the feeling Malevolant Creation has racist tendencies. The "Joe
Black" album featured a black man with exaggerated features on the
cover, and one of the songs ended with the phrase something to the
effect of "Die fucking nigger." When a friend asked the vocalist about
this he said that "nigger" has a different meaning where they are from.
That is a sorry ass attempt to cover your ass. It has the same slang
meaning EVERYWHERE in the US, and you will find that same phrase in
other countries as a insult to the African race.
Paul

James S Kang

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Sep 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/24/98
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Ryan (nones...@hotmail.com) wrote:

> I agree that the attack seems aimed at the "gangstas" out there who want

If it was aimed at gangstas, why isn't it "You fucking gangstas!"

> the world handed to them or else they'll indulge a life of crime.

There are lots of people of every genetic possibility like this.

> Filled with diseases, still they breed

> Hate towards you, and your kind
> Bad blood flows forever
> My life is not complete
> Until you've killed each other

> Always wanting, always taking
> What was never yours
> Someday you will feel the hate
> You fucking niggers

If they wanted to single out gangstas or those who indulge in a life of
crime, they could have easily. They didn't, probably because they didn't
feel it was necessary, and it's more inflammatory and attention-drawing this
way.


James S Kang

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fuck_yo...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> As far as their take on folks of Hispanic descent, they are from Florida -
> which, like most of the rest of the South, is under invasion by a group of
> people calling themselves "La Raza" (The Race).

I'd like to see a Brujeria/Malevolent Creation show.

MeatyPaste

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Yes on their Eternal CD they have a song called "They breed" which talks about
blacks & he clearly says at the end of the song "You Fucking Niggers"

Ryan

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Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> I have the feeling Malevolant Creation has racist tendencies. The "Joe
> Black" album featured a black man with exaggerated features on the
> cover, and one of the songs ended with the phrase something to the
> effect of "Die fucking nigger." When a friend asked the vocalist about
> this he said that "nigger" has a different meaning where they are from.
> That is a sorry ass attempt to cover your ass. It has the same slang
> meaning EVERYWHERE in the US, and you will find that same phrase in
> other countries as a insult to the African race.
> Paul

I didn't hear any song on JOE BLACK that ended with "Die fucking
nigger."

As for sorry attempts to cover their ass, Darkthrone did it, too.


> fuck_yo...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> > They had a very preachy song called "They Live" about black people. It was
> > not much fun because it was highly political and made me think they were
> > Christians or Jews.

Yeah, right. Everyone else is excluded from hatred, though?

The song was "They Breed."


Ryan
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Ryan

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DrkTrick wrote:
>

> If you are talking about lowlifes and criminals, why not say "lowlifes and
> criminals" instead of throwing out such a racially charged word? Don't be lazy
> and rely on epithets to express yourself.
> Dan
> a.k.a The Artist Formerly Known As DroghedaGC

Because "lowlifes and criminals" isn't degrading enough. Your average
rap fan probably thinks "criminals" are cool people, and of course
that's not an opinion isolated to that particular genre. Until a better
word comes along, "niggers" to me is a pretty valid strike against the
criminally inclined. Not my word of choice, but I'm sure many people
wouldn't really approve of that one, either.

On the other hand, why allow a racially charged word to remain just
that? Like using the word "gay" to describe something you dislike,
people start pointing fingers and crying, "Homophobe, homophobe!" I sure
as hell don't want to see weak "politically correct" people having the
final word on the meaning of what I'm saying. (Not a lash at you,
DrkTrick, just an observation/opinion.)

Ryan
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Soul Reaper

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Good, I don't want pussy-ass sensitive little X-tian girls touching my
site. Be gone heathen wretch!

>
> >
> >
> >Damean
> >KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
>
> You won't see me going to your deicide page again.......like you care anyways,
> i mean since you probably hate mexican people like me too huh?
>
> Times like this, I wish I was god.
> -Rocky
>
> http://rocky.simplenet.com/dahm<----Dallas Area Heavy Music
> http://www.repulse-usa.com <-----Repulse/Warhead Records
> http://www.fearfactory.com<-------do i have to explain?
>
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> member of the R/NIGoIS
>
>

Paul Wilbur

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Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
wanted to support.
Paul

Nina Mala

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White nigger, anyone?

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Heretic

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> On the other hand, why allow a racially charged word to remain just
> that? Like using the word "gay" to describe something you dislike,
> people start pointing fingers and crying, "Homophobe, homophobe!" I sure
> as hell don't want to see weak "politically correct" people having the
> final word on the meaning of what I'm saying. (Not a lash at you,
> DrkTrick, just an observation/opinion.)
>

niggers are gay.

Heretic

Ray Morrell

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I travelled with Malevolent and Infernal Majesty and Vader and Vital Remains
on a tour through Europe in fall '97 and neither saw nor heard any racist
remarks from any of the bands whatsoever.


technic...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <6u9slc$e0b$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
> that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
> back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
> many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
> this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
> few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
> similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
> lyrics?

Who gives a rat's ass if they are racists? Focus on the music, not the
artists' viewpoints. Seperate the art from the artist. It amuses me that
everyone is so concerned with subjects such as these (i.e. Varg), rather than
paying attention to what matters...the MUSIC!!!

evil...@evilmusic.com

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> > There's that one song on Retribution (I think?), where the last line
> > is sung, "You fucking n-ggers!", contrary to what is written in the
> > lyric sheet. It ruined the album for me.
> > Aaron
>
> No, its on "Eternal." The song is called "They Breed." It IS a musically
> piledriving song, however.

It would be nice if there were a logic behind their directive except "we
resent your presence" - there is no counterpoint of direction to the lack of
direction they bemoan, and for that I can only wonder what they're thinking
with this assault on our brothers...

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> I have the feeling Malevolant Creation has racist tendencies. The "Joe
> Black" album featured a black man with exaggerated features on the
> cover, and one of the songs ended with the phrase something to the
> effect of "Die fucking nigger." When a friend asked the vocalist about
> this he said that "nigger" has a different meaning where they are from.
> That is a sorry ass attempt to cover your ass. It has the same slang
> meaning EVERYWHERE in the US, and you will find that same phrase in
> other countries as a insult to the African race.

It's totally pathetic. If you believe something, say it straight up -
anonymously if you feel retribution (heh) is likely - but say it for the real
reasons. Otherwise it's more intellectual flailing from the human race.

"They breed" is musically perhaps a high point for the band, but otherwise
very very stupid. I'll take "The Ten Commandments" anyday.

Ryan

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evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:
>
> > I have the feeling Malevolant Creation has racist tendencies. The "Joe
> > Black" album featured a black man with exaggerated features on the
> > cover, and one of the songs ended with the phrase something to the
> > effect of "Die fucking nigger." When a friend asked the vocalist about
> > this he said that "nigger" has a different meaning where they are from.
> > That is a sorry ass attempt to cover your ass. It has the same slang
> > meaning EVERYWHERE in the US, and you will find that same phrase in
> > other countries as a insult to the African race.
>
> It's totally pathetic. If you believe something, say it straight up -
> anonymously if you feel retribution (heh) is likely - but say it for the real
> reasons. Otherwise it's more intellectual flailing from the human race.
>
> "They breed" is musically perhaps a high point for the band, but otherwise
> very very stupid. I'll take "The Ten Commandments" anyday.

Our of curiosity, don't you like Darkthrone? Same thing happened with
them saying anyone who criticizes TRANSILVANIAN HUNGER is guilty of
"jewish behavior." Then Fenriz tried to say it was Norwegian slang.

I suppose you can look at it in terms of what bands have to gain from
denying racism. Darkthrone was trying to please their label, whereas I
don't think Pavement gave Malevolent any trouble for "They Breed."
Who knows, maybe the racism slant was a view isolated to just Jason?
I know his lyrics don't always reflect the views of everyone in the
band. Notice one member in MC thanked God in the IN COLD BLOOD album,
despite the song "Condemned."

Anyway, Jason's out of Malevolent, Brett is back in. I thought Jason
did well, made a good frontman...kept the throne warm for the true
master. Now maybe some interviewers will find out what the hell he's
been doing since STILLBORN (besides drugs and killing people, according
to rumors we've all heard).

Ryan
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Ryan

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Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
> After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
> wanted to support.
> Paul
>


Yeah, on "They Breed" it's "You fucking niggers."

I think it's interesting people won't support bands who express racist
views. I mean, do you really think they get your money and go out and
spend it toward racist ends? I'm sure racisim is widespread in many
genres, and people support them in ignorance. Does it make it any
better just because these performers don't actually say anything
racist? I suppose some would say so, but I don't look at it that way
personally.

I suppose I could understand an end of support if every song Malevolent
Creation did was in support of racism, but mostly Malevolent is
exclusively about serial killers and chaos. Even an anti-rape song on
IN COLD BLOOD, as well as anti-hard drugs.

Ryan
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Ryan

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Nina Mala wrote:
>
> White nigger, anyone?


No such thing, at least not here....they're known as wiggers.


Ryan
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Paul Wilbur

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Their other "beliefs" are not ones I hold as true to my heart as racism. I
think it's great they sing an anti-rape song, but the strongest vote you
can give is the vote of the almighty dollar. By supporting the band, you
are supporting the message. I can't do that.
Paul

Paul Wilbur

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>
> I suppose you can look at it in terms of what bands have to gain from
> denying racism. Darkthrone was trying to please their label, whereas I
> don't think Pavement gave Malevolent any trouble for "They Breed."

At the time of the release of the "They Breed" track I called Pavement to
talk to their radio rep. He played stupid and pretended not to notice the
ending of the song. Either he knew about it and tried to play it off, or
he was totally obilivous to one of his own bands lyrics. You're right,
Pavement probably figured the controversy would sell more records.


> Who knows, maybe the racism slant was a view isolated to just Jason?

And the rest of the band let it get on the album without putting up a
fight? Either they are spineless fucks, or in agreement with the
statement.

> I know his lyrics don't always reflect the views of everyone in the
> band. Notice one member in MC thanked God in the IN COLD BLOOD album,
> despite the song "Condemned."

Obviously he didn't think it was enough to make waves over.

> Anyway, Jason's out of Malevolent, Brett is back in. I thought Jason
> did well, made a good frontman...kept the throne warm for the true
> master. Now maybe some interviewers will find out what the hell he's
> been doing since STILLBORN (besides drugs and killing people, according
> to rumors we've all heard).
>
> Ryan
> http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html
>
>

Paul


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technic...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <6u9slc$e0b$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
> > that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
> > back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
> > many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
> > this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
> > few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
> > similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
> > lyrics?
>
> Who gives a rat's ass if they are racists? Focus on the music, not the
> artists' viewpoints. Seperate the art from the artist. It amuses me that
> everyone is so concerned with subjects such as these (i.e. Varg), rather than
> paying attention to what matters...the MUSIC!!!

Not entirely, no indeed... I'm not familiar with Malevolent Creation but
the lyrical fragment I've seen and the messages I've read seem to
suggest that "They Breed" is a rather political and preachy song; I
don't like my metal the "political" way, those affairs seem to petty to
something profound and fundamental as metal to me.
Preachiness is something I utterly loathe in metal (that's why christian
metal sucks; it is made to preach).
So, I'd say: fuck Malevolent Creation for making that song, but only for
that song.
We might separate the art from the artist, but not the art from the
conviction with which it was made. "They Breed" was made to preach, so
it seems: fuck "They Breed" then. The rest? That remains to be seen...



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Soul Reaper

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You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I wish
people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have a
few poserfag gaymales.

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Paul Wilbur wrote:

> Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
> After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
> wanted to support.
> Paul

Damean

Soul Reaper

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Good to see SOMEONE has some fucking brains every once in a while. Burzum
fucking rules. And screw all of you fuckers who don't like Varg just
because he stabbed the shit out of Euronymous. *Whine* "Yeah but
Euronymous was a good musician.....and....and he had long hair." Fuck him,
it was his time to die. He should have handed over the master tapes.

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 technic...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <6u9slc$e0b$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> thel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > I have heard speculation in the past that these guys are racists... someone
> > that I know asked the guitarist (not sure which one) at a show a few years
> > back about the scene in Florida, to which the guy responded... "there are too
> > many niggers and spicks..." which is fucking disgusting. It's a shame if
> > this is true, and perusing the lyrics to "Retribution" there are more than a
> > few songs that have what seem like racist overtones. Has anyone else had
> > similar encounters, or heard/read interviews or seen such examples in the
> > lyrics?
>
> Who gives a rat's ass if they are racists? Focus on the music, not the
> artists' viewpoints. Seperate the art from the artist. It amuses me that
> everyone is so concerned with subjects such as these (i.e. Varg), rather than
> paying attention to what matters...the MUSIC!!!
>
>

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Soul Reaper

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Shut the fuck up.

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Annatar Gorthaur wrote:

>
> Not entirely, no indeed... I'm not familiar with Malevolent Creation but
> the lyrical fragment I've seen and the messages I've read seem to
> suggest that "They Breed" is a rather political and preachy song; I
> don't like my metal the "political" way, those affairs seem to petty to
> something profound and fundamental as metal to me.
> Preachiness is something I utterly loathe in metal (that's why christian
> metal sucks; it is made to preach).
> So, I'd say: fuck Malevolent Creation for making that song, but only for
> that song.
> We might separate the art from the artist, but not the art from the
> conviction with which it was made. "They Breed" was made to preach, so
> it seems: fuck "They Breed" then. The rest? That remains to be seen...
>
>
>

THE SENTINEL

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i couldn't care less if MC are racists but is the "in cold blood" album
good? i thought retribution was ok.


John Chedsey

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
> get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
> Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I wish
> people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have a
> few poserfag gaymales.

What are you attacking him for? He is actually standing up for what he
believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's
about the music." Sometimes there are bigger things afoot and Paul
Wilbur feels this is one of them. Probably the only true compromise one
can make is to buy their albums used where the money only goes to the
store purchased from.

Satan Stole My Teddybear
http://www.chedsey.com

John Chedsey

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Shut the fuck up.

I think someone has missed his naptime.

Soul Reaper

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In Cold Blood is quite brutal. The drummer on that albums has done alot of
shit...

Aurora Borealis: Mansions of Eternity
New Acheron

And a few others....I think he's the new Angel Corpse drummer too.

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, THE SENTINEL wrote:

>
> i couldn't care less if MC are racists but is the "in cold blood" album
> good? i thought retribution was ok.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Heretic

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THE SENTINEL wrote:
>
> i couldn't care less if MC are racists but is the "in cold blood" album
> good? i thought retribution was ok.

many seem to like it but i thought it was more of 'eternal' rehashed and
overdone. maybe i'm just burned out on them.

Heretic

Ninnghizhidda

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:42:44 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
wrote:

>Shut the fuck up.

and to think, you have a deicide page...

>On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Annatar Gorthaur wrote:
>
>>
>> Not entirely, no indeed... I'm not familiar with Malevolent Creation but
>> the lyrical fragment I've seen and the messages I've read seem to
>> suggest that "They Breed" is a rather political and preachy song; I
>> don't like my metal the "political" way, those affairs seem to petty to
>> something profound and fundamental as metal to me.
>> Preachiness is something I utterly loathe in metal (that's why christian
>> metal sucks; it is made to preach).
>> So, I'd say: fuck Malevolent Creation for making that song, but only for
>> that song.
>> We might separate the art from the artist, but not the art from the
>> conviction with which it was made. "They Breed" was made to preach, so
>> it seems: fuck "They Breed" then. The rest? That remains to be seen...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

>Damean
>KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
>**************************
>A heart dies
>drowning in the night's blood
>Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
>Can't resist the night's sweet blood...
>
>--Dissection "Night's Blood"
>**************************
>
>
>
>


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We should learn to be awake in the same way - not
at all or in an interesting manner."
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goden

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:09:53 -0400, Soul Reaper <dei...@gnv.fdt.net>
vomited forth:

>In Cold Blood is quite brutal. The drummer on that albums has done alot of
>shit...
>

>Aurora Borealis: Mansions of Eternity0

I didn't know he was on 'Mansions of Eternity'. I do know he played on
the new Aurora Borealis (kick ass) full-length 'Praise the Archaic
Lights Embrace'. Killer fucking blast.

>New Acheron
>
>And a few others....I think he's the new Angel Corpse drummer too.
>

>On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, THE SENTINEL wrote:
>
>>
>> i couldn't care less if MC are racists but is the "in cold blood" album
>> good? i thought retribution was ok.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

>Damean
>KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
>**************************
>A heart dies
>drowning in the night's blood
>Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
>Can't resist the night's sweet blood...
>
>--Dissection "Night's Blood"
>**************************
>
>
>
>


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Ryan

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Annatar Gorthaur wrote:

> Not entirely, no indeed... I'm not familiar with Malevolent Creation but
> the lyrical fragment I've seen and the messages I've read seem to
> suggest that "They Breed" is a rather political and preachy song; I
> don't like my metal the "political" way, those affairs seem to petty to
> something profound and fundamental as metal to me.
> Preachiness is something I utterly loathe in metal (that's why christian
> metal sucks; it is made to preach).
> So, I'd say: fuck Malevolent Creation for making that song, but only for
> that song.
> We might separate the art from the artist, but not the art from the
> conviction with which it was made. "They Breed" was made to preach, so
> it seems: fuck "They Breed" then. The rest? That remains to be seen...
>

There's the occasional exception, but Malevolent Creation is definitely
not a band I would ever really consider "political."

As for preachiness in metal, it's funny people single out Christian
metal. The message of a lot of black and death metal seems to be, "Be
who you want to....unless I don't want you to be that way."

My own take is that you could tell me I need to join scientology or a
UFO cult and I won't care, long as the music is brutal. I'll probably
make fun of you with my friends, but at least I won't be embarrassed to
play your album.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

Ryan

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Paul Wilbur wrote:

>
> And the rest of the band let it get on the album without putting up a
> fight? Either they are spineless fucks, or in agreement with the
> statement.
>

Well, I've noticed in many cases the only person who cares about the
lyrics is the one who writes them. It's a proven fact (so I've read)
that most people care only about the music and don't even pay any
attention to the lyrics. I think it's quite possible the rest of
Malevolent Creation just didn't care either way. Racism isn't an
important issue for everybody, despite the fact most people probably
think it should be.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

James S Kang

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Soul Reaper (dei...@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:
> You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
> get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide.


Do you tell them to fuck off and never look at your site again?

James S Kang

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John Chedsey (kraz...@peakpeak.com) wrote:

> believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
> people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's
> about the music."

That's not a cop out. Sure, other things are important, but if you weigh
things out and the music comes out on top, then so be it.

Soul Reaper

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Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, John Chedsey wrote:

> Soul Reaper wrote:
> >
> > You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I

> > get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
> > Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I wish
> > people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have a
> > few poserfag gaymales.
>
> What are you attacking him for? He is actually standing up for what he

> believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
> people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's

> about the music." Sometimes there are bigger things afoot and Paul
> Wilbur feels this is one of them. Probably the only true compromise one
> can make is to buy their albums used where the money only goes to the
> store purchased from.
>

> Satan Stole My Teddybear
> http://www.chedsey.com
>
>

Mike Mosh

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DrkTrick

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>Racism isn't an
>important issue for everybody, despite the fact most people probably
>think it should be.

what a genius. trying to say racism isn't an important issue is like trying to
have a conversation in a room with an elephant in the middle of the room and
trying to ignore the elephant. at every turn, the issue of race or racism comes
up and ignoring it or disowning the problem won't make it go away.
Dan
a.k.a The Artist Formerly Known As DroghedaGC

Paul Wilbur

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Ryan wrote:

> Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> >
> > And the rest of the band let it get on the album without putting up a
> > fight? Either they are spineless fucks, or in agreement with the
> > statement.
> >
>
> Well, I've noticed in many cases the only person who cares about the
> lyrics is the one who writes them. It's a proven fact (so I've read)
> that most people care only about the music and don't even pay any
> attention to the lyrics. I think it's quite possible the rest of

In the case of MC, you are probably right.

> Malevolent Creation just didn't care either way. Racism isn't an


> important issue for everybody, despite the fact most people probably
> think it should be.

Nothing for me to disagree with here.... Damn.
Paul

>
> Ryan
> http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html
>
>


Cliff Evans

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.

Jeez, what's with all the gay shit? How would who he fucks make him a bad
person? I'll be the first to admit that I own some music by artists I find
politically offensive (Burzum as well as Public Enemy, for that matter), and I
agree that the music is what's important. But I also think that we all have
lines we draw about what we will and won't accept as the price we pay for
enjoying that particular art. And all of us have different lines. That's why
I'll call "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" one of my all-time favorite albums, but won't
buy Graveland. Because nowhere is racist ideology inherent in the art itself,
whereas with at least some Graveland it is. That's *my* line. Yours is
different from mine, and his is different from yours. And if that makes me a
"fag" too, then fine. I'd prefer it to being associated with idiots. And shit,
maybe I'd get laid for a change.

--
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sensitive positions and
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Cliff Evans

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Good to see SOMEONE has some fucking brains every once in a while. Burzum
> fucking rules. And screw all of you fuckers who don't like Varg just
> because he stabbed the shit out of Euronymous. *Whine* "Yeah but
> Euronymous was a good musician.....and....and he had long hair." Fuck him,
> it was his time to die. He should have handed over the master tapes.

I like Burzum, and I think Varg is supremely fucked up and shouldn't be let
out of prison. More to the point, I like Burzum, and I think *you're* a
spoiled little idiot who doesn't really have any power or influence, so you
turn your resentment on others.

Cliff Evans

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Ryan wrote:
>
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
> > After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
> > wanted to support.
> > Paul
> >
>
> Yeah, on "They Breed" it's "You fucking niggers."
>
> I think it's interesting people won't support bands who express racist
> views. I mean, do you really think they get your money and go out and
> spend it toward racist ends?

I don't think Malevolent do, it seemed to me like something along the lines of
that bit from "One In A Million" where Axl thought he was being all profound
and shit, and really just looked like a tool. But there are bands like Rahowa
who *are* funding white-supremacist action with their label and records. And
like I won't give money to the Republican Party, they don't get it either.
Simple as that.

> I'm sure racisim is widespread in many
> genres, and people support them in ignorance. Does it make it any
> better just because these performers don't actually say anything
> racist? I suppose some would say so, but I don't look at it that way
> personally.

I agree, there's lots of assholes of all stripes in every kind of art and
music. You just have to find that degree of bullshit that you personally will tolerate.

Martyr333

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>Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
>nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
>defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
>lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
>
>Damean
>KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
>**************************
>A heart dies
>drowning in the night's blood
>Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
>Can't resist the night's sweet blood...
>
>--Dissection "Night's Blood"
>**************************

CAN you post w/o making yourself look like a total moron?

Just wondering.....

-Rocky

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Z. Haverkamp

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I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people saying "No, don't say
nigger/etc! That's Racist!" live in countries where there is about 1
person with a race other than white for every 8 square miles....
Just a comment, hope I didn't offend anybody. (I have nothing against
black people in case anyone wants to accuse me of being a racist)

Symptom of the Universe


myles robert hamilton

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:

>
>
> > > There's that one song on Retribution (I think?), where the last line
> > > is sung, "You fucking n-ggers!", contrary to what is written in the
> > > lyric sheet. It ruined the album for me.
> > > Aaron
> >
> > No, its on "Eternal." The song is called "They Breed." It IS a musically
> > piledriving song, however.
>
> It would be nice if there were a logic behind their directive except "we
> resent your presence" - there is no counterpoint of direction to the lack of
> direction they bemoan, and for that I can only wonder what they're thinking
> with this assault on our brothers...
>

maybe they are trying to free themselves from the taint of a
percieved "predatory culture"?


Melvin Slundersloth


Paul Wilbur

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Is this in response to me, or to someone else?
Paul

On 26 Sep 1998, Nina Mala
wrote:

> You would receive a serious ass whipping if you ever talked bullshit like
> that to my face... pussy.
>
> --
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> Soul Reaper wrote in message ...


> >Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> >nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> >defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> >lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
> >

> >On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, John Chedsey wrote:
> >
> >> Soul Reaper wrote:
> >> >
> >> > You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
> >> > get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
> >> > Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I
> wish
> >> > people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have
> a
> >> > few poserfag gaymales.
> >>
> >> What are you attacking him for? He is actually standing up for what he
> >> believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
> >> people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's
> >> about the music." Sometimes there are bigger things afoot and Paul
> >> Wilbur feels this is one of them. Probably the only true compromise one
> >> can make is to buy their albums used where the money only goes to the
> >> store purchased from.
> >>
> >> Satan Stole My Teddybear
> >> http://www.chedsey.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

Paul Wilbur

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Yeah, that's what they were trying to do! Please, sometimes a rose is just
a rose...
Paul


>
> Melvin Slundersloth
>
>
>


Paul Wilbur

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> > >Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> > >nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> > >defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> > >lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
> > >
That's great Soulreaper, you are truly a rocket scientist. I DO DEFEND
MYSELF, REPEATEDLY, AND JOHN IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. As far as the holding
hands thing goes, it just proves to me what I originally thought. You are
a small-minded individual. Unfortunately, few people who frequent this
group who agree with me are backing me up. I don't care, because I don't
fear you or any other man with your "values". I have been around "the
scene" long enough to see your type cycle through the scene every couple
years, then you get full-time jobs at Mc Donalds and I don't have to worry
about it for awhile.
Paul

myles robert hamilton

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sarcasm. Haven't we been reading the "white power metal" threads?


Melvin Slundersloth


John Chedsey

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.

I get the distinct impression you have an terrible inferiority complex.
Get help. They have 1-800 numbers. I'm terribly sorry your own mum
didn't even love you.

Ta-ta!

John Chedsey

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Nina Mala wrote:
>
> You would receive a serious ass whipping if you ever talked bullshit like
> that to my face... pussy.

The thing to keep in mind...he wouldn't. The newsgroup is the one place
he can talk tough. Rather sad.

Satan Stole My Teddybear
http://www.chedsey.com

>

> Soul Reaper wrote in message ...

Nina Mala

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You would receive a serious ass whipping if you ever talked bullshit like
that to my face... pussy.

--


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Death/Grind/Rap/Noise and Pig Fucking from 91'-97'
http://members.tripod.com/~theart/gor1.htm
.

Soul Reaper wrote in message ...
>Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
>nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
>defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
>lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
>

>On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, John Chedsey wrote:
>
>> Soul Reaper wrote:
>> >
>> > You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
>> > get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
>> > Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I
wish
>> > people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have
a
>> > few poserfag gaymales.
>>
>> What are you attacking him for? He is actually standing up for what he
>> believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
>> people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's
>> about the music." Sometimes there are bigger things afoot and Paul
>> Wilbur feels this is one of them. Probably the only true compromise one
>> can make is to buy their albums used where the money only goes to the
>> store purchased from.
>>

>> Satan Stole My Teddybear
>> http://www.chedsey.com
>>
>>
>
>

Nina Mala

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The only problem with idiot attitudes such as yours is that for every bad
thing you can hold up as an example of "niggers", there are 7-10x as many
white people doing the same thing. Run the numbers. As a matter of fact, it
is white people who have fucked up the country to the extent that the
conditions were created that allow crime to flourish. Have you ever watched
Jerry Springer? Lot's of trashy-ass white motherfuckers. And they almost all
to a person share the same views as you and Deicide boy... Why do people
smoking crack bother you so much? Who gives a flying fuck? If you want to
hold up an example of criminal behavior, focus your attention on that police
station, rather than the people trying to earn a living outside it... you
sound like our idiot fathers. How much more fucked-up can you get? So much
for death metal as a enlightened culture...

--
Jason Z. Christie - Libertarian for President 2008
ICQ#13566497 - D for the F?
Death Metal Music Association
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/2296/
http://www.kcuf.org http://www.blackplague.org
http://www.alternativeconnections.com - On Your Knees
http://www.evilmusic.com http://www.anus.com
ETERNAL FROST WEBZINE #3 OUT NOW!!!
http://www.mindspring.com/~goden/eternalfrost/
GORTICIAN "The Wonder Years" CD 15 Songs, 54:50 $8
8 1/2" x 11" Cover Art from a Convicted Murderer
Hand Inked CD Logo By Brian Magar of Pyroclastix
Death/Grind/Rap/Noise and Pig Fucking from 91'-97'
http://members.tripod.com/~theart/gor1.htm
.

Mike Mosh wrote in message
<6016-360...@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
the guy that started this thread needs to goto Tampa Florida and he will
see that it is a true statement, crack dealers and all , right beside
the interstate exits and right beside the damn police station.

Ryan

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DrkTrick wrote:
>
> >Racism isn't an
> >important issue for everybody, despite the fact most people probably
> >think it should be.
>
> what a genius. trying to say racism isn't an important issue is like trying to
> have a conversation in a room with an elephant in the middle of the room and
> trying to ignore the elephant. at every turn, the issue of race or racism comes
> up and ignoring it or disowning the problem won't make it go away.

What a genius. Decided to stop reading my comment after the word
"issue," though it affects the outcome of the whole argument. Good
idea, turn a blind eye to reality when it doesn't further your own
cause.

If you think racism matters to EVERYBODY, you are sorely misinformed.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

Annatar Gorthaur

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Soul Reaper wrote:
>
> Shut the fuck up.

Why? I deserve an argument for that at the least...



> On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Annatar Gorthaur wrote:
>
> >
> > Not entirely, no indeed... I'm not familiar with Malevolent Creation but
> > the lyrical fragment I've seen and the messages I've read seem to
> > suggest that "They Breed" is a rather political and preachy song; I
> > don't like my metal the "political" way, those affairs seem to petty to
> > something profound and fundamental as metal to me.
> > Preachiness is something I utterly loathe in metal (that's why christian
> > metal sucks; it is made to preach).
> > So, I'd say: fuck Malevolent Creation for making that song, but only for
> > that song.
> > We might separate the art from the artist, but not the art from the
> > conviction with which it was made. "They Breed" was made to preach, so
> > it seems: fuck "They Breed" then. The rest? That remains to be seen...
> >
> >
> >
>

> Damean
> KILLING CHRISTIANS--http://fdt.net/~deicide/
> **************************
> A heart dies
> drowning in the night's blood
> Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
> Can't resist the night's sweet blood...
>
> --Dissection "Night's Blood"
> **************************

--
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http://www.student.wau.nl/~maartenj
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Skeletons in my mind commence tearing at my sanity
Vessels in my brain carry death until my birth
Come and die with me forever
Share insanity"

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Ryan

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Yeah, I think that's pretty interesting, too. But it works the other
way, as well. I've seen plenty of people with racist views who had been
around maybe 10 black people in their entire lives.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

Ryan

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Cliff Evans wrote:
>

> > I think it's interesting people won't support bands who express racist
> > views. I mean, do you really think they get your money and go out and
> > spend it toward racist ends?
>
> I don't think Malevolent do, it seemed to me like something along the lines of
> that bit from "One In A Million" where Axl thought he was being all profound
> and shit, and really just looked like a tool. But there are bands like Rahowa
> who *are* funding white-supremacist action with their label and records. And
> like I won't give money to the Republican Party, they don't get it either.
> Simple as that.

This train of thought I can understand. If you know good and well your
money is being used to unacceptable means (as defined by yourself), I
understand a refusal to support.


> > I'm sure racisim is widespread in many
> > genres, and people support them in ignorance. Does it make it any
> > better just because these performers don't actually say anything
> > racist? I suppose some would say so, but I don't look at it that way
> > personally.
>
> I agree, there's lots of assholes of all stripes in every kind of art and
> music. You just have to find that degree of bullshit that you personally will tolerate.

And isn't it great that you can count on being tested endlessly? Gotta
love the arts.


Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

John Chedsey

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Cliff Evans wrote:

>
> Soul Reaper wrote:
> >
> > Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> > nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> > defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> > lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
>
> Jeez, what's with all the gay shit?

When some people are unable to use facts or intelligent discussion, they
resort to childish name calling. Posts like you see about result. At
times I'm embarrassed to be associated with metal fans.

S.Peretyagin

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Ryan wrote <360BF7...@hotmail.com> ...

>Well, I've noticed in many cases the only person who cares about the
>lyrics is the one who writes them. It's a proven fact (so I've read)
>that most people care only about the music and don't even pay any
>attention to the lyrics.

i think it's because most part of the music have no worthy lyrics, but some
foolish texts in case of "what was i thinking about during these riffs
composing..."

evil...@evilmusic.com

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> You would receive a serious ass whipping if you ever talked bullshit like
> that to my face... pussy.

Isn't the "your (sic) a fag" insult old enough that none of us care? I'd
probably laugh at him as I urinated on his shoes.

Shame how USENET is quite often the same old lies, at least until the
Chaoslords(tm) begin their rage!

Same old shit:

> >Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> >nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> >defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your relationship
> >lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
> >

> >On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, John Chedsey wrote:
> >
> >> Soul Reaper wrote:
> >> >
> >> > You are a fucking fool. Everyone knows that it's all about the music. I
> >> > get mail from plenty of christians who love Deicide. Good, don't buy
> >> > Malevolent Creation albums....you are the one who is missing out. I
> wish
> >> > people like you weren't in the metal scene but I guess you have to have
> a
> >> > few poserfag gaymales.
> >>
> >> What are you attacking him for? He is actually standing up for what he
> >> believes in. That's called having a spine. I respect that more than
> >> people who listen to certain bands and use the cop out, "Oh, but it's
> >> about the music." Sometimes there are bigger things afoot and Paul
> >> Wilbur feels this is one of them. Probably the only true compromise one
> >> can make is to buy their albums used where the money only goes to the
> >> store purchased from.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Even money's a nogoodnik way to communicate. "It's
about the music" is true but simultaneously true is the more ambiguous "It's
about art" - if the music transcends the bounds of art, fuck it - why bother?

Note the difference between Burzum, Darkthrone and early Graveland
(non-preachy music, essential political opinion in liner notes and outside of
music and lyrics) and Born For Glory or (now) Malevolent Creation, who preach
it in the music. Lyrics are part of the music too - part poem - why bother?

Of course, the witchhunt against "bad" opinions such as Nazism or racism is
staggering in itself - any of you guys ever think that you are the image of
the monster you seek to destroy? (And if you think harder, you may glimpse
some of the reasoning behind the Nazi appreciation day that's well enroute
around here...)

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> The only problem with idiot attitudes such as yours is that for every bad
> thing you can hold up as an example of "niggers", there are 7-10x as many
> white people doing the same thing. Run the numbers. As a matter of fact, it
> is white people who have fucked up the country to the extent that the
> conditions were created that allow crime to flourish. Have you ever watched
> Jerry Springer? Lot's of trashy-ass white motherfuckers. And they almost all
> to a person share the same views as you and Deicide boy... Why do people
> smoking crack bother you so much? Who gives a flying fuck? If you want to
> hold up an example of criminal behavior, focus your attention on that police
> station, rather than the people trying to earn a living outside it... you
> sound like our idiot fathers. How much more fucked-up can you get? So much
> for death metal as a enlightened culture...

American blacks: Sold into slavery by "good" Jews and Christians, used by a
commercial culture for the purposes of holiness ("making money") and exiled
by a racism justified by that same demand. Now attempting to recover
self-decency through extreme Islamic religions.

American whites: Sold into slavery by Judeo-Christianity, used by a commercial
culture for the purpose of its own continuation and exiled by the hypocrisy of
that position. Now attempting to recover self-decency and freedom through
extreme Nordic and Satanic religions.

666 DEATH METAL 666 "The basic nova mechanism is very simple: 666
BLACK METAL 666 Always create as many insoluble conflicts as 666 SPEED
METAL 666 as possible and always aggravate existing 666 GRIND CORE 666
conflicts--This is done by dumping life forms 666 www.evilmusic.com 666
with incompatible conditions of existence on 666666666 reviews/info 666666666
the same planet...to create and aggravate the 666666666 www.kcuf.org
666666666 conflicts that lead to the explosion of a 666 www.anus.com/hsc
666 planet that is to nova." | SUPPORT THE 666 metal is life 666 - W.S.
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evil...@evilmusic.com

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> > what a genius. trying to say racism isn't an important issue is like trying
to
> > have a conversation in a room with an elephant in the middle of the room and
> > trying to ignore the elephant. at every turn, the issue of race or racism
comes
> > up and ignoring it or disowning the problem won't make it go away.
>
> What a genius. Decided to stop reading my comment after the word
> "issue," though it affects the outcome of the whole argument. Good
> idea, turn a blind eye to reality when it doesn't further your own
> cause.
>
> If you think racism matters to EVERYBODY, you are sorely misinformed.

Racism doesn't matter - goals matter. I'd tolerate racism if I thought there
were a practical goal behind it. In Amerikkka, racism is mostly repugnant
because it's socio-economic - "dirty negroes have no money come steal our
children" type fear - elsewhere, racialism is used to define the difference
between a culture that the people are satisfied with and enjoy and a culture
that seeks to intrude and sow the seeds of divisiveness (See Signature Phile).

evil...@evilmusic.com

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> > But there are bands like
Rahowa
> > who *are* funding white-supremacist action with their label and records. And
> > like I won't give money to the Republican Party, they don't get it either.
> > Simple as that.
>
> This train of thought I can understand. If you know good and well your
> money is being used to unacceptable means (as defined by yourself), I
> understand a refusal to support.

There's a difference in other words between an opinion and an organization
using the arts to uptake money for execution of its opinion. Hence the
boycott of Judeo-Christian bands.

> And isn't it great that you can count on being tested endlessly? Gotta
> love the arts.

Without constant testing, we could never claim objectivity. But some lessons
have gone unlearned for two millenia. Hence crosses and gas ovens!

Nina Mala

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Paul Wilbur wrote in message ...

>Is this in response to me, or to someone else?
>Paul

> Soul Reaper wrote in message ...


> >Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> >nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> >defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your
relationship
> >lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.

Whoever wrote the above shite... it's easy to say on Usenet. More difficult
when trying to gather up your teeth.

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>


>On 26 Sep 1998, Nina Mala
>wrote:
>

>> You would receive a serious ass whipping if you ever talked bullshit like
>> that to my face... pussy.
>>

>> --
>> Jason Z. Christie - Libertarian for President 2008
>> ICQ#13566497 - D for the F?
>> Death Metal Music Association
>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/2296/
>> http://www.kcuf.org http://www.blackplague.org
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>> http://www.mindspring.com/~goden/eternalfrost/
>> GORTICIAN "The Wonder Years" CD 15 Songs, 54:50 $8
>> 8 1/2" x 11" Cover Art from a Convicted Murderer
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>> Death/Grind/Rap/Noise and Pig Fucking from 91'-97'
>> http://members.tripod.com/~theart/gor1.htm
>> .

>> Soul Reaper wrote in message ...

>> >> Satan Stole My Teddybear
>> >> http://www.chedsey.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

John Chedsey

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evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> Of course, the witchhunt against "bad" opinions such as Nazism or racism is
> staggering in itself - any of you guys ever think that you are the image of
> the monster you seek to destroy? (And if you think harder, you may glimpse
> some of the reasoning behind the Nazi appreciation day that's well enroute
> around here...)

So the other option is to not make a stand against something you
disagree with? I believe that people are all created equally stupid,
regardless of race. Is my attempt not to support opinions I disagree
with wrong? Should I vote for candidates I disagree with just to avoid
being a "monster" as you put it? If I disagree with the Nazi regime,
should I support it due to that arguement above? C'mon...you can flip
that argument around in your quest to destroy Judeo-Christianity...you
may become that image of what YOU are trying to destroy.

Try again and please drive through.

John Chedsey

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evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> American blacks: Sold into slavery by "good" Jews and Christians, used by a
> commercial culture for the purposes of holiness ("making money") and exiled
> by a racism justified by that same demand. Now attempting to recover
> self-decency through extreme Islamic religions.

I'm assuming you are aware that black African tribes sold their own
several hundred years ago. To blame it completely on Jews and
Christians is a bit misrepresentative.

>
> American whites: Sold into slavery by Judeo-Christianity, used by a commercial
> culture for the purpose of its own continuation and exiled by the hypocrisy of
> that position. Now attempting to recover self-decency and freedom through
> extreme Nordic and Satanic religions.

Yes...there are Nordic black metal churches on every street corner now.
Keep in mind that these sort of "religions" are very miniscule on the
whole of things. You are overstating their importance greatly.

evil...@evilmusic.com

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> > I find it kind of interesting that a lot of people saying "No, don't say
> > nigger/etc! That's Racist!" live in countries where there is about 1
> > person with a race other than white for every 8 square miles....
> > Just a comment, hope I didn't offend anybody. (I have nothing against
> > black people in case anyone wants to accuse me of being a racist)
> >
> > Symptom of the Universe
>
> Yeah, I think that's pretty interesting, too. But it works the other
> way, as well. I've seen plenty of people with racist views who had been
> around maybe 10 black people in their entire lives.

This is why we separate "racialism" from "racism." There's plain ignorance
by folks who want to put others down and through that make themselves feel
the illusion of feeling strength, and then there's those who without putting
down their enemies acknowledge them as enemies - of a different and opposed
tradition of value - and reject them (e.g. Hitler/Vikernes).

Paul Wilbur

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On 26 Sep 1998, Nina Mala wrote:

>
> Paul Wilbur wrote in message ...
> >Is this in response to me, or to someone else?
> >Paul
>
> > Soul Reaper wrote in message ...
> > >Looks like Paul has a bed buddy. Hope you two enjoy bruising each other's
> > >nuts. In the mean time, John you can shut the fuck up too. Paul can
> > >defend himself if he has the spine you say he does. Hope your
> relationship
> > >lasts long, just don't walk down my street holding hands.
>
> Whoever wrote the above shite... it's easy to say on Usenet. More difficult
> when trying to gather up your teeth.

Agreed!
Paul

> >> >> Satan Stole My Teddybear
> >> >> http://www.chedsey.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >

technic...@my-dejanews.com

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Sep 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/27/98
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In article <360BF7...@hotmail.com>,
nones...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> >
> > And the rest of the band let it get on the album without putting up a
> > fight? Either they are spineless fucks, or in agreement with the
> > statement.

> >
>
> Well, I've noticed in many cases the only person who cares about the
> lyrics is the one who writes them. It's a proven fact (so I've read)
> that most people care only about the music and don't even pay any
> attention to the lyrics.

Very true indeed. Of the 200+ CDs that I have, I have NEVER read all of the
lyrics on a particular album. Furthermore, only a handful of bands have
piqued my curiosity enough to read their lyrics on a FEW songs: Dark
Tranquillity, Suffocation, Carcass, EoS (on Crimson), Burzum, Emperor.

technic...@my-dejanews.com

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>But there are bands like Rahowa
> who *are* funding white-supremacist action with their label and records. And
> like I won't give money to the Republican Party, they don't get it either.
> Simple as that.

Rahowa has absolutely no talent, and is one of the worst bands I have ever
heard. If they happened to be godly, then I wouldn't mind giving them money
as long as their music had value, which it doesn't. (However, I don't like
preachy lyrics that are enunciated to the point where you can easily
understand them, and thus they are "in your face". If the enunciation is
poor, then the band can be saying anything for all I care.)

Jeremy Ulrey

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Ryan wrote:

> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
> > After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
> > wanted to support.
> > Paul
> >
>
> Yeah, on "They Breed" it's "You fucking niggers."


>
> I think it's interesting people won't support bands who express racist
> views. I mean, do you really think they get your money and go out and

> spend it toward racist ends? I'm sure racisim is widespread in many


> genres, and people support them in ignorance. Does it make it any
> better just because these performers don't actually say anything
> racist? I suppose some would say so, but I don't look at it that way
> personally.
>

Seems like political correctness to me. I've read nothing BUT bad things
about Malevolent Creation since that album came out, but most death metal fans
don't have a problem with Cannibal Corpse's anti-female lyrics, and most black
metal fans don't seem to mind that many of their favorite bands have members
serving time for homicide, arson, etc (hell, most rap fans don't mind the fact
that a lot of rap lyrics are anti-white, including Ice Cube, who's on Korn's
fucking Family Values tour!). I'm of the opinion that listening to a band
doesn't mean you condone their philosophy, and personally I'm getting sick of
people assuming everyone listens to music for the fucking lyrics anyway. Rock
stars are NOT poets, no matter how many volumes of Jim Morrison's verse you
may find on your library's shelf.

--
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Paul Wilbur

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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Jeremy Ulrey wrote:

>
>
> Ryan wrote:
>
> > Paul Wilbur wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe... no, you're right, it was on the previous album. My mistake.
> > > After I heard it "Joe Black" confirmed for me that this was not a band I
> > > wanted to support.
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, on "They Breed" it's "You fucking niggers."
> >
> > I think it's interesting people won't support bands who express racist
> > views. I mean, do you really think they get your money and go out and
> > spend it toward racist ends? I'm sure racisim is widespread in many
> > genres, and people support them in ignorance. Does it make it any
> > better just because these performers don't actually say anything
> > racist? I suppose some would say so, but I don't look at it that way
> > personally.
> >
>
> Seems like political correctness to me.

Yeah, hide behind that played out term.

I've read nothing BUT bad things
> about Malevolent Creation since that album came out, but most death metal fans
> don't have a problem with Cannibal Corpse's anti-female lyrics, and most black
> metal fans don't seem to mind that many of their favorite bands have members
> serving time for homicide, arson, etc (hell, most rap fans don't mind the fact
> that a lot of rap lyrics are anti-white, including Ice Cube, who's on Korn's
> fucking Family Values tour!).

You know, you are right about the anti-female shit with Cannibal Corpse. I
guess if they were truly fair about it they would fuck a guy with a knife,
or strip, rape and strangle a guy. Good point. Food for thought.


I'm of the opinion that listening to a band
> doesn't mean you condone their philosophy, and personally I'm getting sick of
> people assuming everyone listens to music for the fucking lyrics anyway. Rock
> stars are NOT poets, no matter how many volumes of Jim Morrison's verse you
> may find on your library's shelf.

Actually, some of them are. I still look at Bad Religion's lyrics, or
Disposible Heroes of Hiphoprisy's lyrics and think, "Ok, this is
borderline genius." Good post Jeremy.
Paul

Ryan

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Sep 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/27/98
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evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> There's a difference in other words between an opinion and an organization
> using the arts to uptake money for execution of its opinion. Hence the
> boycott of Judeo-Christian bands.

Right, as defined as "unacceptable" by you. I haven't heard many
Judeo-Christian bands, if I heard one that was very brutal I'd pick them
up. Theological differences don't quite parallel in my opinion.
I'm sure I own more agnostic/satanic/atheistic bands than any other, but
fall under none of those myself. But yeah, all a matter of perception.

> > And isn't it great that you can count on being tested endlessly? Gotta
> > love the arts.
>
> Without constant testing, we could never claim objectivity. But some lessons
> have gone unlearned for two millenia. Hence crosses and gas ovens!

Many kinds of crosses, though. Refuse to support whirlpool appliances
in any event. Fuckers fired me.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

Ryan

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Sep 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/27/98
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Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Jeremy Ulrey wrote:
>
> >

> > Seems like political correctness to me.
> Yeah, hide behind that played out term.

Political correctness...as Euronymous said in reference to trendy
people, "ARGH!"

> I've read nothing BUT bad things
> > about Malevolent Creation since that album came out, but most death metal fans
> > don't have a problem with Cannibal Corpse's anti-female lyrics, and most black
> > metal fans don't seem to mind that many of their favorite bands have members
> > serving time for homicide, arson, etc (hell, most rap fans don't mind the fact
> > that a lot of rap lyrics are anti-white, including Ice Cube, who's on Korn's
> > fucking Family Values tour!).
> You know, you are right about the anti-female shit with Cannibal Corpse. I
> guess if they were truly fair about it they would fuck a guy with a knife,
> or strip, rape and strangle a guy. Good point. Food for thought.

Well, CC are being more equal opportunity destroyers since BLEEDING.
Not much misogyny in VILE, and "Orgasm Through Torture" was a woman on
man crime (however poorly written). Can't think of too many in GALLERY
OF SUICIDE, and once more another woman on man song that actually plays
on the expected anti-female conventions, entitled "Headless."



> I'm of the opinion that listening to a band
> > doesn't mean you condone their philosophy, and personally I'm getting sick of
> > people assuming everyone listens to music for the fucking lyrics anyway. Rock
> > stars are NOT poets, no matter how many volumes of Jim Morrison's verse you
> > may find on your library's shelf.
>
> Actually, some of them are. I still look at Bad Religion's lyrics, or
> Disposible Heroes of Hiphoprisy's lyrics and think, "Ok, this is
> borderline genius." Good post Jeremy.
> Paul
>

Actually, I love to read the lyrics of all my cds and tapes. My
favorite to read is Brett's stuff for Malevolent Creation, I thought he
was great at capturing the essence of chaotic violence in his lyrics.
Glad he's back in MC, can't wait to see what he can do now, years after
STILLBORN.

Ryan
http://members.tripod.com/~SilentEmpire/trystero.html

Devamitra

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Sep 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/27/98
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evil...@evilmusic.com wrote:

> This is why we separate "racialism" from "racism." There's plain ignorance
> by folks who want to put others down and through that make themselves feel
> the illusion of feeling strength, and then there's those who without putting
> down their enemies acknowledge them as enemies - of a different and opposed
> tradition of value - and reject them (e.g. Hitler/Vikernes).

That is something I have definitely noticed.In our modern "culture", many have
trouble with the concept of respecting your enemy, yet acting in firm and direct
opposition.

Devamitra
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Soul Reaper

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Oh, 7-10 times as many? Hmm. Care to show us some statistics? Until then,
you have proven nothing.

On 26 Sep 1998, Nina Mala wrote:

> The only problem with idiot attitudes such as yours is that for every bad
> thing you can hold up as an example of "niggers", there are 7-10x as many
> white people doing the same thing. Run the numbers. As a matter of fact, it
> is white people who have fucked up the country to the extent that the
> conditions were created that allow crime to flourish. Have you ever watched
> Jerry Springer? Lot's of trashy-ass white motherfuckers. And they almost all
> to a person share the same views as you and Deicide boy... Why do people
> smoking crack bother you so much? Who gives a flying fuck? If you want to
> hold up an example of criminal behavior, focus your attention on that police
> station, rather than the people trying to earn a living outside it... you
> sound like our idiot fathers. How much more fucked-up can you get? So much
> for death metal as a enlightened culture...

Pimpbot 5000

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Sep 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/28/98
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> Preaching linear human confusion is not genius. Bad Religion and DHoH are
> both moronic.

I disagree here. Bad Religion had some great lyrics, especially on 'Don't
Prey on me.'

Excerpt off the top of my head..."Well I guess god was a lot more
demonstrative back when he flamboyantly parted the sea, now everybody's
prayin', don't prey on me."

Wonderful. Plus tons of other cracks at religion on that album (the only
one I own.)

Word.

Adam

*^&*^&*^&&^*^&*^&**^&*^&*^&&^*^&*^&**&^&^*^&**^&*^&*^&&^*^&^*^&*&^*^&*&^*&^*&
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finish the farce."
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evil...@evilmusic.com

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> Seems like political correctness to me.

Fear of that which is unapproved by the herd.

> I've read nothing BUT bad things
> about Malevolent Creation since that album came out, but most death metal fans
> don't have a problem with Cannibal Corpse's anti-female lyrics, and most black
> metal fans don't seem to mind that many of their favorite bands have members
> serving time for homicide, arson, etc (hell, most rap fans don't mind the fact
> that a lot of rap lyrics are anti-white, including Ice Cube, who's on Korn's
> fucking Family Values tour!).

I have been bitching for years about the sexism inherent in Cannibal Corpse
and how it differs from the philosophical expansion of the death metal
tradition (like Christian metal, and doubtless the same morons will speak up
saying it's "innovation" to regress and why can't I be a good fatalistic
subjectivist like them so nothing will ever be decided and humanity can
forever rest easy in the dark ages of our own ignorance). Similarly I am no
big fan of the racial politics inherent in Malevolent Creation, some rap
music, and later Graveland.

> I'm of the opinion that listening to a band
> doesn't mean you condone their philosophy, and personally I'm getting sick of
> people assuming everyone listens to music for the fucking lyrics anyway. Rock
> stars are NOT poets, no matter how many volumes of Jim Morrison's verse you
> may find on your library's shelf.

That was hilarious.


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With all due respect:

> > Seems like political correctness to me.

> Yeah, hide behind that played out term.

Hide behind cliched scorn. Political correctness is a recognized phenomenon
of personal sellout to sheep aesthetic values, and is as pointless as all
other politics. Accept his criticism like a man!

> Actually, some of them are. I still look at Bad Religion's lyrics, or
> Disposible Heroes of Hiphoprisy's lyrics and think, "Ok, this is
> borderline genius." Good post Jeremy.

Preaching linear human confusion is not genius. Bad Religion and DHoH are
both moronic.


evil...@evilmusic.com

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> > This is why we separate "racialism" from "racism." There's plain ignorance
> > by folks who want to put others down and through that make themselves feel
> > the illusion of feeling strength, and then there's those who without putting
> > down their enemies acknowledge them as enemies - of a different and opposed
> > tradition of value - and reject them (e.g. Hitler/Vikernes).
>
> That is something I have definitely noticed.In our modern "culture", many have
> trouble with the concept of respecting your enemy, yet acting in firm and
direct
> opposition.

Because, as Nietzsche and Emerson said it, behind pity there is a secret
loathing. If one accepts the postmodern view of the universe - that there is
a visible "text" which obscures rather than elucidates the "subtext" or
actual meaning of events and words - then that takes on a tone of the
sinister embedded within the seemingly benevolent.

For example, a newsgroup full of witchhunters for feared philosophies. They
do not create better examples in response, but post whatever they can - with
no regard for truth - in an attempt to banish what they fear is in all of us.
If you cannot leap the abyss, I s'pose, you become angry at those who
threaten to!

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