KISS vs. BLACK SABBATH
Guy Defryn
me, a real BLACK SABBATH fan.This"battle" started when Downfall
replied on something about KISS.I am having a great time and I hope
that Downfall is having fun too.
Here's the story:
I said that Kiss was better and he said the opposite.Then I asked him
why Sabbath played before Slayer and Kiss on the '94 South American
monsters of rock tour instead of being the Headliner.According to
Downfall it is just a money thing.I think it is because the best one
is supposed to be the headliner.
I have repect for Sabbath.Downfall says the average age of Kiss fans
used to be between2-5 years old.He told me that Casablanca was going
to kick Kiss from the label and Alive saved Kiss.We all know Kiss
saved Casablanca.Every 10 year old with a little guitar experience can
play and even write CRAPPY Kiss songs,according to Downfall.Can't we
all play the paranoid riff/song.It is a great song I admit that even
if I am a Kiss fan.Downfall as no respect for Kiss.He loves to bring
them down.Black Sabbath is as good as Zeppelin and is unique.
Kiss is not unique at all ,at least if we have to believe our Black
Sabbath fan
Let us know what you think .Give us Hell.Send your opinion to the both
of us.
Downfall:ew2...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu
Guy:def...@manawatu.gen.nz
JOOP PELT
>I am Guy. I am a KISS fan and there is also Downfall who is,believe
>me, a real BLACK SABBATH fan.This"battle" started when Downfall
>replied on something about KISS.I am having a great time and I hope
>that Downfall is having fun too.
>Here's the story:
>I said that Kiss was better and he said the opposite.Then I asked him
>why Sabbath played before Slayer and Kiss on the '94 South American
>monsters of rock tour instead of being the Headliner.According to
>Let us know what you think .Give us Hell.Send your opinion to the both
Obviously KISS has much more (and I mean MUCH more) influence on other
bands than Sabbath. I read somewhere that Downfall said Sabbath
influenced more metal bands or anything, but KISS not only influenced
metal bands (from glam & pop rock to death metal and everything in
between and to me that includes "alternative") but also several other
kinds of music (Lenny Kravitz, Garth Brooks, et.c etc. etc.).
KISS is still going strong after 23 years, Sabbath, well with or without
Ozzy they aren't doing too well from what I see around me (or maybe it's
just that I don't see or hear anything about Sabbath and that's why I
think they're not going very strong anymore). Downfall admitted KISS is
selling more, but even when you don't consider the money thing it's very
obvious: anybody mentions KISS as their influence, or just look at the
many KISS tribute bands around worldwide.
Or just look at what KISS is still doing these days: a huge coffeetable
book, tours all over the world, official KISS conventions, MTV Unplugged,
two new albums this year, a short reunion tour with Ace & Peter, etc.
Need I say more?
And about KISS's fans being 2-5 years old? I hope that's your sense of
humour coz at all the KISS shows I've seen worldwide I only once or twice
saw little kiddies (who came with their parents who obviously have been
fans for a long time -- probably from the days when they used to be
kids). Or KISS needing make up to make it?? Are you still kidding or
what? They first made sure they had the music, made a demo and based upon
that demo (nobody had seen them yet) they got a record deal. They were
the first on Casablanca Records, so no wonder that label was struggling
during KISS's early days. KISS didn't (almost) bring Casablanca down,
Casablanca just spend to much money on a very wild promoting machine. And
the make up, the make up was just a little extra because KISS cares about
the fans and didn't wanna come up with a dull live show like many other
bands but entertain their in-concert audience. Play any KISS record and
tell me what you hear: make up or kick ass rock 'n roll???? (Okay, so I
already know the answer, so what?!)
Anyways, keep up this thread folks!! BTW, if you live in Europe and wanna
be part of the KISS Reunion Tour in the USA privately e-mail me
(joo...@vpro.nl) as I'm organizing a big trip to see make up KISS at
Madison Square Garden in New York this summer.
Cheers,
Joop
PHarman315
rest of KISS combined. Geezer is rock's greatest bass player. Neil
Murray's no slouch. Ward is awesome and so is Cozy. Sabbath singer's
Ozzy, Dio, Gillan, and Martin can sing circles around Simmons and Stanley.
Can't wait to hear the reaction to this.
Pat
Dan9480
and even the 90's. Sabbath has been dead since Mob Rules. long live
sabbath and KISS!
Angus Mair
* for "the planet", read "America".
Many people on the other side of the pond in the 70s thought they were
simply a bunch of aging, and otherwise ugly, drag queens sating the US
appetite for instant gratification.
Angus
Leonid Makarovsky
: I am Guy. I am a KISS fan and there is also Downfall who is,believe
: me, a real BLACK SABBATH fan.This"battle" started when Downfall
: replied on something about KISS.I am having a great time and I hope
: that Downfall is having fun too.
: Here's the story:
: I said that Kiss was better and he said the opposite.Then I asked him
WTF is *BETTER*? If you like Kiss more, it is better *FOR YOU*.
I admit that Kiss is more popular than Sabbath. Elton John is more popular than
Kiss. M. Jackson is more popular than EJ and Kiss together and sells better.
As far as influential goes. both are influential. Sabbath influenced heavier
side of metal for sure. They have invented new sound and new riffs. They were
the first who played darker music.
Now we're talking about who's more innovative. Black Sabbath invented metal.
What did Kiss invent in terms of music? Hard Rock? There had been Zeppelin and
Purple before Kiss? Make up is rather theatratical part and plus Alice Cooper
used it before Kiss.
: why Sabbath played before Slayer and Kiss on the '94 South American
: monsters of rock tour instead of being the Headliner.According to
: Downfall it is just a money thing.I think it is because the best one
: is supposed to be the headliner.
It's cuz Kiss is much more popular these days than black sabbath. (Notice that
there's a difference between POPULAR and BETTER). Selling more doesn't mean
better. I still dunno what better is, but Simmons is not better bass player
than Butler. Anyone wants to compare someone with Mr. Tony Iommi?
Nevetheless, if Kiss ruled 70s, why would Kiss & Van Halen open for Black
Sabbath in late 70s? If Black Sabbath gets together in original line up,
I can assure you they won't open for KISS.
Just my $.02
PS. The more you write sissyboy pussy love songs, the more you will sell...
Ken Crooker
Oh, yeah? Then why did Kiss do all those European Monsters of Rock Tours
over the years? They didn't do it in the US. And what about Japan? Kiss
broke the sellout record for the Budokon (previously set by the BEATLES)
in 1976. 1976 was also the year in which the gallup poll found Kiss to be
the most popular band in...you guessed it...THE WORLD!
By your opinion, I would say that you are probably hanging out with the
wrong crowd. Kiss is still pretty popular wherever you go.
Kenneth W. Crooker II
pol...@skypoint.com
Gabriel Michael Padilla
Did u say that KISS opened for Black Sabbath in the late 70's? Where'd
you get that crap. The only times KISS opened up for bands was in '73
thru early '75. After that, KISS headlined every concert (excluding
MOR). I am biased. KISS has and always will be my favorite band of all
time. Their music have gotten me thru a lot of bad times. Well, helped
me drown out problems that may have risen. Also, of all the bands that
are out today, most of them list KISS as their main influence. Without
KISS there would be no: Anthrax, Soundgarden, Metallica, Extreme, Stone
Temple Pilots, Slaughter, Bon Jovi, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Garth
Brooks, NIN, NBN, I could go on. This is my opinion. I'm sure alot of
other people agree.
Michael
Angus Mair
> Tours over the years?
That'll be the 1988 MoR, when they were *third* on the bill, behind
Maiden and Dave Lee Roth? That's the only time they played Donington...
> They didn't do it in the US.
Hmmm ... really popular there, then.
> And what about Japan? Kiss broke the sellout record for the Budokon
It's really not that hard for a professional band to get "Big In Japan",
especially if they have a flashy gimmick.
> By your opinion, I would say that you are probably hanging out with
> the wrong crowd. Kiss is still pretty popular wherever you go.
Let's face it, Kiss are a bunch of aging primadonnas with wigs. Some of
their songs (about half a dozen) make for great rock'n'roll party music,
but even then are pretty one-dimensional. The rest of their stuff is just
turgid garbage. They are a good example of marketing - do you think
they'd be anywhere near so well recognised without the make-up and huge
stage shows of yore? Their career since de-masking seems to back up my
opinion here.
Angus
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Paul Sisolak
when this reunion tour starts, they will be as big as they were in the
70s.
TONY SZABLOWSKI
-> ^^^^^^^^^^
->
-> * for "the planet", read "America".
->
-> Many people on the other side of the pond in the 70s thought they
-> were simply a bunch of aging, and otherwise ugly, drag queens sating
-> the US appetite for instant gratification.
They were.
Tony
TONY SZABLOWSKI
-> invented metal. What did Kiss invent in terms of music? Hard Rock?
-> There had been Zeppelin and Purple before Kiss? Make up is rather
-> theatratical part and plus Alice Cooper used it before Kiss.
I think the only thing Kiss did was bring the show out, make it work
with the music, not just having a show, and then music. They were
showman more than musicians in my book. And the fact that they've put
out shit in recent years only makes me believe this even more.
Why do people think they're supposedly going to go with the makeup just
"one last time?" Because they've fallen by the wayside and they know
it. I can't blame them for taking one last shot and making a few $$$ to
boot, but anyone that tells me Kiss was the ultimate band, shit, I'll
just laugh in your face. There isn't an ultimate rock, or metal band.
It only matters if you like it. And if you like it, then listen. Fine
with me.
Later man
Leonid Makarovsky
: Did u say that KISS opened for Black Sabbath in the late 70's? Where'd
Yes.
: you get that crap. The only times KISS opened up for bands was in '73
^^^^ ^^^^
Well, sorry to piss ya off, but KISS did open for Black Sabbath for either
Never Say Die tour or Technical Ecstasy tour.
: are out today, most of them list KISS as their main influence. Without
: KISS there would be no: Anthrax, Soundgarden, Metallica, Extreme, Stone
: Temple Pilots, Slaughter, Bon Jovi, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Garth
All of these bands you have listed except Extreme, Bon Jovi and Slaughter
(US one) list Sabbath as their main influence. Plus I don't listen to any of
these bands. I listen to heavier stuff, that was certainly influenced by
Sabbath.
Ohh yeah, last thing, that Kiss didn't appear on empty space. Kiss was also
influenced by Sabbath...
--Leonid
Bradley Dale Glover
KISS will never recapture the '70's. And as a vintage KISS ARMY member
(76-79), I feel entitled to be embarrased each time they cut a new
record. They should have let the ship sink when Peter jumped off.
KISS (5 stars)
HOTTER THAN HELL (3 stars)
DRESSED TO KILL (4 stars)
ALIVE! (5 stars)
DESTROYER (5 stars)
ROCK AND ROLL OVER (5 stars)
LOVE GUN (5 stars)
ALIVE II (4 stars)
DOUBLE PLATINUM (3 stars)
GENE'S SOLO (3 stars)
PAUL'S SOLO (5 stars)
PETER'S SOLO (2 stars)
ACE'S SOLO (4 stars)
DYNASTY (4 stars)
UNMASKED (3 stars)
THE ELDER (4 stars)
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT (4 stars)
LICK IT UP (3 stars)
ANIMALIZE (4 stars)
ASYLUM (2 stars)
CRAZY NIGHTS (3 stars)
SMASHES, THRASHES AND HITS (3 stars)
HOT IN THE SHADE (2 stars)
REVENGE (3 stars)
ALIVE III (3 stars)
BDG(just the opinion of an old geezer who was there then and is here
now [despite the suckage])
K.C.
> Ohh yeah, last thing, that Kiss didn't appear on empty space. Kiss was also
> influenced by Sabbath...
Where did you get that fact? Nowhere has Ace Frehley, Gene Simmons, Paul
Stanley, and Peter Criss stated that Sabbath was an influence at all.
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Bradley Dale Glover
>On 26 Feb 1996, Leonid Makarovsky wrote:
>> Ohh yeah, last thing, that Kiss didn't appear on empty space. Kiss was also
>> influenced by Sabbath...
>Where did you get that fact? Nowhere has Ace Frehley, Gene Simmons, Paul
>Stanley, and Peter Criss stated that Sabbath was an influence at all.
Whether he liked them or not, I guess Sabbath still could have had an
impact on Kiss' music, but I recall from magazine articles in the '70s
that Gene Simmons despised Black Sabbath. Something about Kiss was
about life and Sabbath was about death or something to that effect.
I tried to get into Sabbath several times but it just didn't happen.
Iommi has always sucked and Ozzy didn't start sounding good until he
got his own band. I think most of their fans got into them because
of all that eeery mystical devil shit cuz it sure as hell wasn't the
music.
BDG
K.C.
> I tried to get into Sabbath several times but it just didn't happen.
> Iommi has always sucked and Ozzy didn't start sounding good until he
> got his own band. I think most of their fans got into them because
> of all that eeery mystical devil shit cuz it sure as hell wasn't the
> music.
I suggest you go and listen to it again cuz Sabbath's riffs are heard in
tons of metal songs that you are listening to today. It was the music.
Iommi is a legend.
David Walter
: >> Ohh yeah, last thing, that Kiss didn't appear on empty space. Kiss was also
: >> influenced by Sabbath...
: >Where did you get that fact? Nowhere has Ace Frehley, Gene Simmons, Paul
: >Stanley, and Peter Criss stated that Sabbath was an influence at all.
: Whether he liked them or not, I guess Sabbath still could have had an
: impact on Kiss' music, but I recall from magazine articles in the '70s
: that Gene Simmons despised Black Sabbath. Something about Kiss was
: about life and Sabbath was about death or something to that effect.
: I tried to get into Sabbath several times but it just didn't happen.
: Iommi has always sucked and Ozzy didn't start sounding good until he
: got his own band. I think most of their fans got into them because
: of all that eeery mystical devil shit cuz it sure as hell wasn't the
: music.
: BDG
Dude: to say that Tony Iommi sucks to real metal/rock n' roll fans is
like telling a devout Catholic you'd like to hang the pope. Such
blasphemous, venomous, foolish spew of lies shouldn't be allowed on this
world. Long live the King of heavy rock guitar: Tony Iommi!!!
Leonid Makarovsky
: I tried to get into Sabbath several times but it just didn't happen.
Obviosly, Sabbath is not Elton John, so not easy to get into for the average
mainstream listener...
: Iommi has always sucked and
^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Iommi sucked? See above...
: Ozzy didn't start sounding good until he got his own band.
Yeah, right, when Ozzy got his own band and started to sound like washed out
mainstream rocker, he actually became good. Very good point for mainstream/
sellout worshippers.
: I think most of their fans got into them because
: of all that eeery mystical devil shit cuz it sure as hell wasn't the
: music.
Grow up...
--Leonid
K.C.
> On CD I have Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Technical Ecstasy and Heaven
> and Hell. Granted that's not much, but if I can't see the brilliance
> in those four, I doubt buying any more will help.
Try getting Volume 4, and Master of Reality, as well as Sabotage. You
are missing out on some of most excellent music even written.
Leonid Makarovsky
: There's never been a band like KISS before and there never will be
Same applies to Sabbath.
: again, except for when KISS redoes themselves. They are the greatest
: living, live band of all time...PERIOD!!!
There was better live band than Kiss. VENOM.
--Leonid
Leonid Makarovsky
: "Venom". Must be that eeery mystical devil shit, ay "Venom"? Cuz
: we sure as hell know it ain't the music, "Venom".
First.
I care less for mystical shit. Misfits might have had it, but I don't listen
to them at all. I dunno them. Sabbath and Venom stands for musical ability
first.
Second.
Have actually read Black Sabbath lyrics? I doubt it. If you had, you would
realize that their lyrics is about real world (not that rock-n-roll crap).
--Leonid
Bob Humble
There were other bands in the heavy metal movent such
as free bird (now known as Motor Head) and a few others,
But at the head of Heavy Metal it was Sabbath.
I think that Sabbath was about Heavy Meatal. Were
I think that KI$$ was about the dollar. That is why they
were at the grammys. That was also there down fall.
Bob
In article <97d_960...@gigo.com>, Steve...@24.gigo.com (Steve Kemp)
wrote:
>Kiss had a large impact on concert production values, but musically they
>sucked. Black Sabbath, although being three chord wonders, were the creators of
>the whole Heavy Metal movement. Of course, opinions are like ***-****'s,
>everyone has one and they all stink.
>You may all begin beating me about the head and shoulders, now.
>* SPITFIRE v3.51
>--
>: Fidonet: Steve Kemp 1:203/24 .. speaking for only myself.
>: Internet: Steve...@24.gigo.com
MIXED EMOTIONS:
Your mother in law is driving over a cliff,
in your new car
Bob Humble
>On 6 Mar 1996, Bradley Dale Glover wrote:
>
>> You prove my point. You like Black Sabbath and your logname is
>> "Venom". Must be that eeery mystical devil shit, ay "Venom"? Cuz
>> we sure as hell know it ain't the music, "Venom".
If I am not mistaken KISS ( Kid's In Satan's Service) Devil shit ? .
Black Sabbath did some devil shit they also did pro religion stuff
as well. If it was not for groups like Sabbath there would not be
any bands like KISS. We would all have Neil Dimond records.
Venom may be not be main stream music and is not my cup of
tea, but it is music and I think that everyone should here at least
one of there tunes.
Bob
Bradley Dale Glover
>Bradley Dale Glover (bdg...@tamaix.tamu.edu) wrote:
>: You prove my point. You like Black Sabbath and your logname is
>: "Venom". Must be that eeery mystical devil shit, ay "Venom"? Cuz
>: we sure as hell know it ain't the music, "Venom".
>First.
>I care less for mystical shit. Misfits might have had it, but I don't listen
>to them at all. I dunno them. Sabbath and Venom stands for musical ability
>first.
>Second.
>Have actually read Black Sabbath lyrics? I doubt it. If you had, you would
>realize that their lyrics is about real world (not that rock-n-roll crap).
Sabbath could have the most wonderful lyrics in the world but it doesn't
change the fact that Iommi plucks at that left-handed SG so awkwardly
that the result sounds like total hell. Everything's a half-step with
that guy. It gets old after a while, excellent lyrics or not.
BDG
K.C.
> If I am not mistaken KISS ( Kid's In Satan's Service) Devil shit ? .
> Black Sabbath did some devil shit they also did pro religion stuff
> as well. If it was not for groups like Sabbath there would not be
> any bands like KISS. We would all have Neil Dimond records.
> Venom may be not be main stream music and is not my cup of
> tea, but it is music and I think that everyone should here at least
> one of there tunes.
Kiss had no connection, or influence from Black Sabbath.
Bob Humble
In article <4i42sh$l...@news.bu.edu>, ve...@cs.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
wrote:
>Steve Kemp (Steve...@24.gigo.com) wrote:
>:Black Sabbath, although being three chord wonders,
>
>You are mixing them up with AC/DC.
>
>: were the creators of the whole Heavy Metal movement.
>
>I agree with that part.
>
>
>--Leonid
I do not know about 3 chord wonders, but is it not the Ramons the 3 minunte
wonders.
--
Bob Humble
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"Why would anyone want to know about me? It's rediculous." --Bob Dylan
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Billy
says...
>
>I think that you hit the nail on the head with this one.
>There were other bands in the heavy metal movent such
>as free bird (now known as Motor Head) and a few others,
>But at the head of Heavy Metal it was Sabbath.
> I think that Sabbath was about Heavy Meatal. Were
>I think that KI$$ was about the dollar. That is why they
>were at the grammys. That was also there down fall.
>
> Bob
>
>In article <97d_960...@gigo.com>, Steve...@24.gigo.com (Steve
Kemp)
>wrote:
>>Kiss had a large impact on concert production values, but musically
they
creators of
>>the whole Heavy Metal movement. Of course, opinions are like
***-****'s,
>>everyone has one and they all stink.
>>You may all begin beating me about the head and shoulders, now.
>>* SPITFIRE v3.51
>>--
>>: Fidonet: Steve Kemp 1:203/24 .. speaking for only myself.
>>: Internet: Steve...@24.gigo.com
>
>Your mother in law is driving over a cliff,
>in your new car
>
musically and marketing wise. Lets look at the original Sabbath singer
The Ozz himself. He hasn't been beyond marketing masses himself. All
bands have a marketing scheme. Sabbath used the darkness side of things
Where Kiss used just about anything and everything. To say Sabbath is
better than Kiss or Kiss is better than Sabbath is like saying I like
peas better than carrots. Its a matter of taste. I like them both but
for differn't reasons. I like Sabbath for their intriging lyrics and I
like Kiss for being all around entertainers. I mean you have to admit.
Kiss puts on one heck of a live show. If you have to get down to
actually comparing. Look at album sales or something. Neither of the
two have great radio air time.......that sucks doesn't it?
Just my two cents
--
B. Guy
gato...@ramlink.net
http://ram.ramlink.net/~gatorman
Bob Humble
In article <4i8ts3$k...@macondo.dmu.ac.uk>, se...@dmu.ac.uk (David Lodge)
wrote:
>Bob Humble (Bob.H...@dreo.dnd.ca) wrote:
>> >Dude: to say that Tony Iommi sucks to real metal/rock n' roll fans is
>> >like telling a devout Catholic you'd like to hang the pope. Such
>> >blasphemous, venomous, foolish spew of lies shouldn't be allowed on this
>> >world. Long live the King of heavy rock guitar: Tony Iommi!!!
> of
>> Reality by Black Sabbath. I like both bands but I think that Black Sabbath
> was
>Hmmm... Have you actually *listened* to the lyrics; bearing in mind that
>was Sabbaths *very* pro-christian song... It actually goes:
>"Would you like to see the pope on the end of a rope"
>
>dave
>
>--
>David 'I Just Get These Headaches' Lodge, se...@dmu.ac.uk
>Question: Did you really eat bats heads?
>Ozzy Osbourne: Yes, and they tasted like McDonalds
Hmmm I have actually listened to the lyrics and do realize that
it is a pro-Christian song. I was quoting off the top of my head.
Now reading what I wrote I can see the error in my ways. ops!
I quoted this because of the comments made in the pervious
article.
Leonid Makarovsky
: that the result sounds like total hell.
This "total hell" as has been mentioned inspired the whole metal movement.
And do you have any problem with the fact that he is left handed?
: Everything's a half-step with that guy.
Half step? What do you mean?
: It gets old after a while, excellent lyrics or not.
I guess it depends on taste. I like Iommi, hate Kiss. If you don't like Iommi,
seat on the coach and listen to Kurt Cobain or Kip Winger.
--Leonid
Bradley Dale Glover
>: change the fact that Iommi plucks at that left-handed SG so awkwardly
>: that the result sounds like total hell.
>This "total hell" as has been mentioned inspired the whole metal movement.
>And do you have any problem with the fact that he is left handed?
He could play left footed for all I care. Maybe he should try it. Couldn't
hurt, you know.
>: Everything's a half-step with that guy.
>Half step? What do you mean?
I'm not gonna explain this. I'm sure half the readers around here
know exactly what I mean.
>: It gets old after a while, excellent lyrics or not.
>I guess it depends on taste. I like Iommi, hate Kiss. If you don't like Iommi,
>seat on the coach and listen to Kurt Cobain or Kip Winger.
Kurt and Kip can bite me. I'd rather listen to Sabbath. But it doesn't
change the fact that Iommi chicken scratches at his guitar.
BDG
Guy Defryn
Damn right!
Sabbath as some good stuff but Ace Frehley plays better than Lommi,so
does Bruce Kullick.Therefore Kiss is technically better.It also
happens to be my favorite band.
Leonid Makarovsky
The discussion is closed. Everyone's opinion will still remain the same.
Plus I really don't five a fuck if Bradley Dale Glover likes or dislikes
Tony Iommi and co. Though insulting Iommi by yourself makes you look like a
high school kid.
: Leonid Makarovsky <ve...@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
: >Bradley Dale Glover (bdg...@tamaix.tamu.edu) wrote:
: >: change the fact that Iommi plucks at that left-handed SG so awkwardly
: >: that the result sounds like total hell.
: >This "total hell" as has been mentioned inspired the whole metal movement.
: >And do you have any problem with the fact that he is left handed?
: He could play left footed for all I care. Maybe he should try it. Couldn't
: hurt, you know.
: >: Everything's a half-step with that guy.
: >Half step? What do you mean?
: I'm not gonna explain this. I'm sure half the readers around here
: know exactly what I mean.
: >: It gets old after a while, excellent lyrics or not.
: >I guess it depends on taste. I like Iommi, hate Kiss. If you don't like Iommi,
: >seat on the coach and listen to Kurt Cobain or Kip Winger.
: Kurt and Kip can bite me. I'd rather listen to Sabbath. But it doesn't
: change the fact that Iommi chicken scratches at his guitar.
: BDG
Bradley Dale Glover
>The discussion is closed. Everyone's opinion will still remain the same.
>Plus I really don't five a fuck if Bradley Dale Glover likes or dislikes
>Tony Iommi and co. Though insulting Iommi by yourself makes you look like a
>high school kid.
Getting so worked up by something on a newsgroup makes you look like an idiot.
BDG(not to mention that "venom" thing)
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Jenny McAllistair
> I dont know how this is actually a discussion. Sabbath sales are higher then KISS. They were ranked by MTV as the "Greatest Metal Band" of all time, and placed second in VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock". KISS's greatest achievment was the rock and roll hall of fame. enough about awards and sales right? You puny KISS fans still believe KISS had more influence then sabbath? Sabbath Created Metal. They were doing groundbreaking stuff, making heavy metal a year after Led Zep started making blues rock. KISS, however is not original or iconic in any way. Just another hair metal band. As far as talent goes, not even close. Ozzy was an amazing singer and made millions in his solo career. Tommy Iommi was an extraordinarily talented guitarist, being able to do amazing things with his electric guitar. You get the idea. Whats that KISS fan? "KISS has more popular songs?" Song. Rock and roll all nite is the only memorable KISS song. Black Sabbath, however has many unique and memorable songs, with many of them being featured in high budget movies (Iron Man 1). Give up. Sabbath ALWAYS wins. (Except against Led Zep).