Is AC/DC classic rock??
Dave
time for Led Zep IV performed cover to cover. Right before the start of the
show one of the DJs from Q107 came out to announce the show. As he wuz
announcing it he wuz saying how Led Zep wuz up there with the Beatles,
Stones, and Floyd in terms of being classic rock that each and every
generation of fan could enjoy listenning to. It didn't matter what
generation you belonged to...chances are you were a fan of these musical
bands.
3 days ago I received a phonecall at my office from a woman in upper
management. She wanted to ask me some questions about AC/DC on behalf of
her 14 year old daughter. Turns out ther daughter (and her friends) are
being turned onto AC/DC as the *in* thing. She wanted to know about Bon's
death...the *new* singer....what album Hells Bells wuz on....etc. This
reminded me of myself back in the very early 80's as I had so many questions
about this band that I had stumbled across.
I always viewed AC/DC in the same class as the other hard rock outfits from
that time period....Iron Maiden...Judas Priest....Black Sabbath...etc.
Thing is though....none of these bands have achieved the level of success
that AC/DC has (imo anyways). Sure these other bands may still be going
today in one form or another...but they ain't continuously selling out
arenas and stadiums on their own.....and they aren't turning the kiddies on
to the same degree that AC/DC still seems to have the ability to.
AC/DC has become one of those timeless bands whuz music is being tuned into
people of various ages and generations. It doesn't matter whether you got
into the band with Bon....or with BIB...or with TRE....or with SUL. What
matters is that AC/DC is still very much alive and has the ability to turn
on folks no matter how old they are or whatever other types of music they
are into. Most pre-teens and teenagers today are into Britney Spears and
Justine Timberlake.....but there's some out there that not only like these
flavours of the month...but are also into AC/DC simply cuz the music is
timeless and makes them want to shuffle their feet and shake their fist.
Is AC/DC approaching the status of The Stones, Zep, Floyd, Beatles, etc??
Can AC/DC be defined as classic rock??
Dave - Toronto
Doof©
Zep, Floyd & the rest of them. They just never got put in the same light as
them for various reasons. They weren't mainstream or wrote "devil" songs for
example. I never cared about it as I always though the music did the talking
for them. I think the band feels the same way. As far as DC being "in" now.
I think that's staring to happen. With their tunes being used in commercials
& movies the band is getting exposure they wouldn't have gotten 10 years
ago. Do I agree with it? No but I can't stop it. DC is a diamond in the
rough (pardon the NFL Film terminology folks!!) and the people that have
been fans for a long period of time know this. The new fans that are just
getting into them from this exposure will realise this, IF they actually
take the time to give the full DC spectrum a try. If not, its their loss.
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Good question. I think Elvis, The Beatles and the Stones are on their own
level. (I probably should add Led Zep to that category too) I think the
next tier is made up of bands like AC/DC. Maybe Aerosupply, ZZ Top, Pink
Floyd, U2, The Eagles and to a lesser degree VH. ( In the US)
> Can AC/DC be defined as classic rock??
Labels are very subjective. AC/DC's music is played on radio stations that
claim the "classic rock" format. Myself, I think of classic rock as "uncle
music." (I stole that from somewhere) You know everyone has an uncle who
was at Woodstock or some like festival who still gets pumped up when a
Nantucket song comes on the radio. Other bands I consider Uncle/Classic
rock are: The Doors,Grand Funk, The Band, CCR, Steppenwolf, Blue Cheer,
BTO, The James Gang etc....etc...etc.. I don't consider DC in that
category of music. DC is a bit tougher to label in that they aren't
associated with a decade like many bands. Aerosmith is a 70's band which
made a come back in that late 80's that was probably bigger than in their
prime. VH is considered an 80's band even though they started in the 70's.
DC was peaking commercially from 1979-81 so they don't fit nicely into
either decade. ( In other words, they don't fit nicely under either the
70's label or 80's label). And their style of music is different than any
of the above mentioned bands. So, myself, I don't see them as "classic
rock." But I can see where some might.
Brian
> flavours of the month...but are also into AC/DC simply cuz the music is
> timeless and makes them want to shuffle their feet and shake their fist.
I think kids are "in to" ac/dc not because of this reason, but because it
makes you cool to like sometihng different. Same reason you see kids with a
"Alf" t-shirt for example.
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shto s gnjojenjem mozdha ima veze i vishe negoli shto bi to prosjechni
promatrach mogao pomisliti:
> I always viewed AC/DC in the same class as the other hard rock outfits
> from that time period....Iron Maiden...Judas Priest....Black
> Sabbath...etc. Thing is though....none of these bands have achieved the
> level of success that AC/DC has (imo anyways). Sure these other bands
> may still be going today in one form or another...but they ain't
> continuously selling out arenas and stadiums on their own.....and they
> aren't turning the kiddies on to the same degree that AC/DC still seems
> to have the ability to.
Sabbath and Judas not anymore, but Maiden are as big as DC, selling out
stadiums and turning kids to heavy metal...
in Croatia they're bigger than DC, when you walk the streets chances are
you'll see loads of people with maiden t-shirts, DC to a much smaller
extent....
Rattus the RAT
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> but there's some out there that not only like these
> > flavours of the month...but are also into AC/DC simply cuz the music is
> > timeless and makes them want to shuffle their feet and shake their fist.
>
> I think kids are "in to" ac/dc not because of this reason, but because it
> makes you cool to like sometihng different. Same reason you see kids with
a
> "Alf" t-shirt for example.
Maybe the kids just have some taste (the ones listening to AC/DC, not those
wearing a Alf shirt)
RAT
Gavin Smith
(he's 9) and he is listening to all of the current bands (Darkness are a
favourite at present). He listens a lot to AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper,
T-Rex and Metallica. To him AC/DC and more so Metallica and Iron Maiden are
still very current. It's all new and fresh to him.
In the second sense, will AC/DC ever be viewed in the same vein as The
Stones, The Beatles, Zeppelin or Pink Floyd? No I don't think so. Those
bands were on another plain. I would rate AC/DC highly but would Joe Public?
As much as I love AC/DC they've never got into the public consciousness in
the way that The Beatles (more than any band), The Stones and Zeppelin did.
Pink Floyd I'm not so sure about. Of bands since I would say that U2 are
threatening to enter that category - arguably the biggest band of my
generation.
Longevity also puts them in the 'Classic Rock' class (bloody labels!!!).
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Andrew Joseph Savona
>
> Dave - Toronto
I think the answer is yes. And sadly, AC/DC is helping the cause, by
playing two songs less than 10 years old in their set lists. I love Iron
Maiden, and while they never had the crossover success that 'DC has, I
rather like the fact that they'll play at least 4 tunes off of new albums on
their respective tours.
badlands420
> I think the answer is yes. And sadly, AC/DC is helping the cause, by
> playing two songs less than 10 years old in their set lists. I love Iron
> Maiden, and while they never had the crossover success that 'DC has, I
> rather like the fact that they'll play at least 4 tunes off of new albums
on
> their respective tours.
But AC/DC always did the same thing up until the most recent tour. But
everybody bitched about subpar albums (TRE, Ballbreaker) taking up too many
slots in the set, so the sad result was that when they finally put out a
really good album (SUL), they hardly played anything from it.
Hal Horn
he got to go to the last tour (because I brought him along ;).
My answer: Absolutely they are timeless. AC/DC's best records still sound
fresh today, and always will.
HCH
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Tony Volk
pretty quick. Classic could be:
1- Timeless - then yes
2- Old - depends on what you think is old (I'd say 2 decades+ is old)
3- Trend setting- then yes
4- Original - then maybe
5- Origin of Rock - then no
6- Longevity - then yes
7- Record sales -then yes
8- Concert sales - then yes
etc., etc. So pick your definition of classic, then you get your answer.
I'd easily put AC/DC with Zep and Floyd as being a mega-star of rock as
their longevity balances the perhaps greater artistic contributions of those
two bands, but none of those have the original origin of rock that makes
Chuck Berry, Little Richards, Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones, and The Who
*classic* rock.
Tony
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wrote:
>
>
>I always viewed AC/DC in the same class as the other hard rock outfits from
>that time period....Iron Maiden...Judas Priest....Black Sabbath...etc.
I've NEVER viewed AC/DC in the same class as any of those bands.In
fact, I'm surprised you ever did. They're far above them. They've
outsold them in albums, venues, and are still a major draw. In fact,
they might be THE biggest draw today in rock music. I think they could
give the Stones a run for that title honestly. They're definately
ahead of Aerosmith, who is still good, ahead of ....shit anyone.
>Thing is though....none of these bands have achieved the level of success
>that AC/DC has (imo anyways). Sure these other bands may still be going
>today in one form or another...but they ain't continuously selling out
>arenas and stadiums on their own.....and they aren't turning the kiddies on
>to the same degree that AC/DC still seems to have the ability to.
No, they're not.
>
>Is AC/DC approaching the status of The Stones, Zep, Floyd, Beatles, etc??
>Can AC/DC be defined as classic rock??
Uh....they've been on that level a while. As much as you may disagree,
I think it was The Razor's Edge tour that started to put them on that
level. Like it or not, it was a rathe recent selling album, and it did
have a few songs (Thunderstruck, Moneytalks, Are You Ready) that a lot
of "casual" fans really liked. That was the last time they were
"really" good (They real;ly showed their age on the Ballbreaker tour)
and they headlined Donnington for Monsters of Rock for an
unprecedented 3rd time. Aerosmith, GNR, VH, never headlined more than
once. All their albums have sold a million copies. Thry have....
1,2,3,4,5,6,7 or so multi million albums, a few 5-7 million selling
albums, an 10 with HTH (worldwide) and a probably 22 million seller
worldwide with BIB. Who can argue that? Off the top of my head, I
think Led Zeppelin tops it, The Bealtes probably do, Pink Floyd I
believe does and........shit, that's it, eh? They're 9th ALL TIME in
the history of MUSIC in album sales.
Let's think about that. In this planet's history, AC/DC has been
outsold by only *eight* other artists. Eight out of how many? Tends of
thousands? Three of which, that I can recall, are rock bands. (I'm
talking worldwide here too, so don't tell me the RIAA says otherwise -
AC/DC blows Asmith and R Stones outta the water in oversea sales)
The Stones started before they did, and that gives them an advantage,
but I'll be dammed if Mick ever rocked a crowd the way AC/DC did.
Maneatingcow
This is sad, yet true.
I REALLY wish someone would tell them it would be ok if they played
Give it Up on the next tour, and brought back Ballbreaker.
Maneatingcow
<av...@king.removethis.igs.net> wrote:
> Give us an actual definition of classic, and then we can solve this one
>pretty quick. Classic could be:
>
>1- Timeless - then yes
>2- Old - depends on what you think is old (I'd say 2 decades+ is old)
>3- Trend setting- then yes
>4- Original - then maybe
>5- Origin of Rock - then no
>6- Longevity - then yes
>7- Record sales -then yes
>8- Concert sales - then yes
They fit the bill then. Not everyone can control whether or not if you
are the origin of rock. The stats after that are big indicators, and
all things that a band has control over.
They've dominated those 3 stats exceptionally well. People often say
"album sales don't mean much"
A band doesn't "accidentially" sell 80, 90, 100 (however many it is
worldwide) million fucking albums on *accident* now do they. They're
still selling albums that go platinum too.
Maneatingcow
These bands like the Eagles, Aerosmith, the stones.....how many extra
albums sales do they get credit for on their greatest hits CD's? AC/DC
still hasn't made one.
Some of these bands have multiple GH albums too...or hell even 4
I think in Aerosmith's case. Going by RIAA.... Their Greatest Hits is
at 10 million. "Big Ones" is at 4 million. Their latest one is at a
million. Shit, no wonder they rank so high...Forty licks is at 4
million, Hot Licks is at 12. Both those bands, studiowise album sales,
are lower than U2. Billy Joel's is at like 20 million, Eagles is the
best selling album ever most know....28 million or so.
These are hughe factors. As far as actual studio releases doing the
talking - Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the beatles are the only rock
acts who top AC/DC. AC/DC is still in worldwide demand.
and on that note, here's an incredibly SAD statistic....
ROLLING STONES, THE EXILE ON MAIN STREET 05/31/00 ROLLING STONES
RECORDS Platinum ALBUM GROUP Std
ROLLING STONES, THE TATTOO YOU 05/31/00 ROLLING STONES RECORDS Multi
Platinum (4) ALBUM GROUP Std
Tattoo You has outsold Exile on Main St. What BS.....
Ihategomar
I don't know if that question really has a meaning, or indeed should have.
They've been "classified" as hard rock, heavy metal, devil music, rock & roll,
headbanging music...at this point, one more infernal label ought not mean a
thing. AC/DC to me is just music—uptempo, loud, good-time music. File
genres under "G" (but not for "genre" if you know what I mean, that's just
record-label jargon).
How about this new "genre"...ever heard of "grindcore"? GRINDCORE. Sounds
like something you do in a kitchen. Apparently, it's one of the new names for
that kind of over-distorted seven-string-guitar "music" that those younger than
us are being peddled today. Apparently, some clever record-company go-fer came
up with putting the word "grind" before "(hard)core" (itself a variation of
"punk rock") and wow, a new form of music. Just like the ten or more
subdivisions of heavy metal there are nowadays (e.g. death metal, black metal,
speed metal, power metal, glam metal, thrash metal, doom metal, even "Viking
Metal" whatever that is...???)
Grant
Good question!
With the slight exception of Zep, all the other groups you mention,
are far more of a comercial nature, musically, than DC. Therefore, Joe
Public has had them in their face more often. Zep are an enigma. A
band cut off in their so called prime, the hype that STILL propels
this band, justified or not, means they are now of a commercial nature
to rival those other bands.
DC. Less commercial in musical terms. For sure. They have been in &
out, as far as the public conciousness is concerned. Now being
HOFamers has bought them back into focus, along with the undeniable
fact that their longevity earns them an undeniable level of respect
from old & new fans alike.
So what's the answer? To my mind, AC/DC are just classic. Go put on
either HTH, or BIB. Both recordings over 22 years old and still sound
as though they could have been released yesterday. Now that's my idea
of classic!!
Beanofire
Jgbintbass
>Thry have....
>1,2,3,4,5,6,7 or so multi million albums, a few 5-7 million selling
>albums, an 10 with HTH (worldwide) and a probably 22 million seller
>worldwide with BIB.
While Billboard says 19 mil with Back in Black, forgot where I saw it but 40
mil worldwide was mentioned.
There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'...
Anders Hedman
"Andrew Joseph Savona" <
>
> I think the answer is yes. And sadly, AC/DC is helping the cause, by
> playing two songs less than 10 years old in their set lists.
On the Harder Than A Stone Tour the newest song was 13 years old, and second
oldest was 22 years old.
Anders Hedman
"Ihategomar" <
>
> How about this new "genre"...ever heard of "grindcore"? GRINDCORE.
Sounds
> like something you do in a kitchen. Apparently, it's one of the new names
for
> that kind of over-distorted seven-string-guitar "music" that those younger
than
> us are being peddled today.
Grindcore is nothing new. I had friends listening to it in the 80's. It's
the kind of music which is so fast you get exhausted only listening to it
(let alone play it I suppose). It has nothing to do with "nu metal" or seven
string guitars.
Anders Hedman
"Maneatingcow" <
> and they headlined Donnington for Monsters of Rock for an
> unprecedented 3rd time. Aerosmith, GNR, VH, never headlined more than
> once.
GNR and VH never headlined Castle Donington at all.
Anders Hedman
"Maneatingcow" <
(I'm
> talking worldwide here too, so don't tell me the RIAA says otherwise -
> AC/DC blows Asmith and R Stones outta the water in oversea sales)
>
Are you sure? From where have you got the figures? Of course AC/DC blows
Arse-smith away over here (they were never big in Europe in the 70's), but
when I asked in the Stones ng about world-wide sales figures for the Stones
people told me they'd sold 200 million records ww. If it's acurate it's far
more than DC.
St.Rik
wrote on 03-07-20 19.29:
Maiden may still be considered big, but only in parts of Europe.
tomScotland
AC/DC are right up there with The Stones, Zeppelin, The Who and a very few
others.
They ain't at any kind of Beatle level, and never will be, and neither will
anyone else.
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> YES.
> AC/DC are right up there with The Stones, Zeppelin, The Who and a very few
> others.
> They ain't at any kind of Beatle level, and never will be, and neither will
> anyone else.
Ok, Tom. Justify what you have said about the band being on a par with
the Stones, Zep & The Who.
I'm just curious, that's all.....
Beanofire
tomScotland
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> Ok, Tom. Justify what you have said about the band being on a par with
> the Stones, Zep & The Who.
> I'm just curious, that's all.....
Justify it?
well I guess its all about respect. AC/DC have got to a stage where they no
longer have any critical negatives flung at them, they are quite rightly
seen as the very top notch act of the genre.
Look at The Who, for instance. Much the same way as AC/DC were criticised in
the early days as being loud and obnoxious, perverted, lewd and dangerous,
the Who were labeled as loud, violent instrument-smashing ne'er-do-wells,
gimmicky pop art dropouts etc, but these tags don't stick forever - when a
band such as DC or The Who or The Stones stick around through all the
varying stages of their popularity they eventually seep into the
conciousness of each and every music fan who hears them, and people
eventually come to regard them as the best. More often than not, people who
were previously dismissive of the band often change their tune after a
concert experience. The recent stones dates being a prime example! Stones
fans who were too aloof to admit actually liking ac/dc came home with smiles
normally only attributable to $500 whores.
Why wouldn't DC be regarded as well as Zep? Who took over the Zep position
in 1980, when they were at their creative peak and Zep quietly died? Who is
constantly mentioned as being the more inspirational for every new
generation of rock acts? who is never, ever disrespected within the
industry? Who is cited as an influence just about every time some spotty kid
picks up a guitar for the first time?
Yeah, its DC. Thats why they deserve to be lumped in with the elite, and
thats why they are.
Of course, I said no-one could touch The Beatles and that still stands.
no-one can, has, will or should!.ever.
Tony Volk
and Bill Haley) don't touch them because they're way above them. True, the
Beatles (along with Elvis) invented the ultra-popular rock star, but CB and
company invented rock'n'roll. But without an objective definition, I guess
there's no right or wrong here. Cheers,
Tony
> Of course, I said no-one could touch The Beatles and that still stands.
> no-one can, has, will or should!.ever.
>
>
>
>
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> there's no right or wrong here. Cheers,
Exactly, there is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions, but if it was
up to me personally there would be no place in history for some fat karaoke
singing, mother humping, non-songwriting, colonel puppeteered hunk o' shit
called elvis.
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was
> up to me personally there would be no place in history for some fat
karaoke
> singing, mother humping, non-songwriting, colonel puppeteered hunk o' shit
> called elvis.
You are on crack
MIB
Some interesting thoughts here but as long as you can play the bugger loud
it's classic for me.
My first major classic album was Dark side of the moon and anyone out there
heard of the hippy Steve Hillage - saw him on UK TV - The Old Grey Whistle
Test to be precise and I was hooked. That programme in the 70's was a must
for anyone.
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MIB
Tom - I guess you dont like The King then hehehe.
How did your trip to see AC/DC - only interested in the gigs - not the
personal stuff.
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tomScotland
> How did your trip to see AC/DC - only interested in the gigs - not the
> personal stuff.
It was fantastic Dave, if you go to the Electric Shock site you can read my
review, in the fan reviews section.
I think I'd go as far as saying its the best DC gig I've been to. It was
great, the sun just setting and Dc blasting away in the open air. Brilliant.
How did Rory Gallagher and you get on in Iraq? I hope you took that stuff I
sent you with you, you did, right?
Dave
Wuz wrong with Alf??
Dave - Toronto
Chris4900
> talking - Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the beatles are the only rock
> acts who top AC/DC. AC/DC is still in worldwide demand.
I don't think double albums should be counted as two units. That would
eliminate the Wall and the White Album. ( I think the White album is a
double) Billy Joel's is both a greatest hits and a double LP.
badlands420
> Exactly, there is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions, but if it
was
> up to me personally there would be no place in history for some fat
karaoke
> singing, mother humping, non-songwriting, colonel puppeteered hunk o' shit
> called elvis.
Rock the fuck ON, brother! Elvis sucks donkey balls!
Andrew Joseph Savona
years and more albums. The thing that really skews record sales is
reissues. Especially if they are in different formats. Albums to 8-tracks
to cassettes to cds.
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Maneatingcow
Yeah I know. Asmith did in 95, but I mention them because they were
the other 2 big name bands who were big during the time Monsters of
Rock was around.
Maneatingcow
I've heard that same statistic for the Stones, and I've never got a
good answer on where exactly it came from. It sounds like a number
pulled outta thin air. The Stones are big worldwide no doubt, but one
of their saving graces is multi greatest hits albums, multiple live
albums, and flat out more albums. It's possible, but I've always
taken that figure as hyperbole.
Maneatingcow
I didn't know double albums were counted as 2.
So basically the Wall has sold half as many copies as Riaa states?
Maneatingcow
<tomhardie2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, its DC. Thats why they deserve to be lumped in with the elite, and
>thats why they are.
>Of course, I said no-one could touch The Beatles and that still stands.
>no-one can, has, will or should!.ever.
I sorta think Zeppelin surpassed the Beatles in all honesty.
badlands420
> Maiden may still be considered big, but only in parts of Europe.
Odd.....in the States, Maiden is considered pretty much a cartoonish 80s
heavy metal anachronism, even though they don't deserve to be.
badlands420
> I've heard that same statistic for the Stones, and I've never got a
> good answer on where exactly it came from. It sounds like a number
> pulled outta thin air. The Stones are big worldwide no doubt, but one
> of their saving graces is multi greatest hits albums, multiple live
> albums, and flat out more albums.
You make a good point. If AC/DC had put out 2-3 greatest hits albums like
most of their contemporaries, chances are they'd be the highest selling act
in history.
badlands420
> I sorta think Zeppelin surpassed the Beatles in all honesty.
In whose eyes?
Tony Volk
got zero groove and they are ridiculously tough-guy/evil (e.g., two minutes
to midnight, that mascot of theirs, etc.). I've got a few friends who like
them, but I've never been able to listen to them without laughing (at them).
I much prefer Spinal Tap!
Tony
> Odd.....in the States, Maiden is considered pretty much a cartoonish 80s
> heavy metal anachronism, even though they don't deserve to be.
>
>
Catman the Great
Yes.
With Regards,
Catman the Great
Anders Hedman
"Chris4900" <
>
> I don't think double albums should be counted as two units. That would
> eliminate the Wall and the White Album. ( I think the White album is a
> double) Billy Joel's is both a greatest hits and a double LP.
>
AgentAlbert
"Maneatingcow" <acd...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> In fact,
> they might be THE biggest draw today in rock music.
I think that would have to be Springsteen, actually.
- Adam
badlands420
> I think they are, and I believe AC/DC would agree :). For me, they've
> got zero groove and they are ridiculously tough-guy/evil (e.g., two
minutes
> to midnight, that mascot of theirs, etc.).
Fuck the lyrics, dude. Their instrumental acumen and the quality of their
arrangements are what set them apart. Plus they wrote distinctive, original
music and were an *outstanding* live act. Disliking them because of their
lyrics and/or mascot is, IMO, to arbitrarily overlook a large number of
redeeming factors. And I'm the one who absolutely hates 80s metal.
AgentAlbert
"badlands420" <badl...@FUCKYOUSPAMMERcox.net> wrote in message
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Yep. This would be like disliking AC/DC for the cannons and bell. Or
they're lyrics, which don't exactly set the world on fire either. With both
bands, these things just aren't the point.
- Adam
Anders Hedman
"AgentAlbert" <
Or
> they're lyrics, which don't exactly set the world on fire either. With
both
> bands, these things just aren't the point.
>
And just like AC/DC if you miss out the humour which Maiden have you just
don't get it. There's as big a gap between Maiden and Manowar/ Spinal Tap
as it is between AC/DC and hip hop singers rapping about "bitches" and
"hoos" with zero self-irony.
Tony Volk
sang songs about abusing kids, I would be the first to burn my albums and go
lay a beating on them. Perhaps Maiden is much better live (a good band
should be), but there's not a single studio song of theirs that I've heard
that I enjoyed. I find that there's no groove to it. The bad lyrics and
image just put the nails in the coffin for me. Ironic that Bads praises
their musician-ship while I bash their groove, given our respective opinions
of Rush. Which actually isn't a bad example, as the only Rush tunes I like
are those that have some kind of groove to them. But hey, to each their
own,
Tony
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badlands420
> sang songs about abusing kids, I would be the first to burn my albums and
go
> lay a beating on them.
Say WHAT??? You realize that a lot of Maiden's subject matter is historical
in nature, and not necessarily about pleasant events, right? Two Minutes To
Midnight doesn't glorify child abuse any more than Run To The Hills
glorifies killing Indians.
Perhaps Maiden is much better live (a good band
> should be), but there's not a single studio song of theirs that I've heard
> that I enjoyed. I find that there's no groove to it.
Then we have starkly different definitions of the word "groove."
>The bad lyrics and
> image just put the nails in the coffin for me.
I find it odd that a historical aficionado such as yourself would dismiss a
band whose lyrics are probably more literate and educated than any other.
tomScotland
fall under that ridiculous banner make me want to scream. BUT, if you can
honestly say you've listened to "Hallowed Be Thy Name" by Maiden at decent
volume and not thoroughly enjoyed it I would strongly advise you to head
directly to your Doctor and ask him to check for a pulse.
Maidens first 3 albums deserve complete respect from fans of any genre (and
thats coming from a self proclaimed indie fan, namely me!)
--
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Chris4900
> got zero groove and they are ridiculously tough-guy/evil (e.g., two
minutes
> to midnight, that mascot of theirs, etc.).
Try listening to their first two albums. The gimmicks weren't quite as bad
then. Also, there was simple rawness to the sound.
Chris4900
a
> band whose lyrics are probably more literate and educated than any other.
I'm hurt!
Sincerely,
Eddie Vedder
Dave
freaks out there....and that's cool. For me though...AC/DC is probably the
hardest kind of music that I listen to. Back in the 80's as a teenager at
highschool everyone wuz into Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, yadda yadda yadda.
For me it wuz DC....and I never got into the others. My musical
appreciation is ALL over the map...from hard and soft rock to a bit of danse
to blues to jazz to big band (I draw the line at rap though...I can't stand
rap). AC/DC, Zep, early Pearl Jam, some Soundgarden and now my newly found
appreciation for Alice In Chains....I'm on that level with the hard stuff.
Some of you folks are a lot more heavier than that...into the likes of
Maiden and Motorhead and whatnot. That's cool. AC/DC has always jacked my
crank...and for me that's all that counts at this juncture.
Dave - Toronto
Dave
I've always wonder this....but on my double cd for Live it says collectors
edition...as if to insinuate that it's a limited pressing. Are there more
single Lives out there than doubles??
Dave - Toronto
badlands420
> I'm hurt!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Eddie Vedder
Dear Eddie,
Guys from Encinitas are pussies.
Sincerely,
San Marcos
Tony Volk
historical
> in nature, and not necessarily about pleasant events, right? Two Minutes
To
> Midnight doesn't glorify child abuse any more than Run To The Hills
> glorifies killing Indians.
I was making an exagerated point about the importance of lyrics, not
commenting on Maiden's directly. I believe that Two Minutes is about war or
something, I know it is not about child abuse (and for the record, I love
the Ramone's irreverent Beat on the Brat). Perhaps I haven't heard their
"good" early material, I'll ask my buddies to play some of it (not being a
fan, I barely know the songs, let alone the albums, except for number of the
beast which I didn't like). It's just that the stuff I've listened to
doesn't have a good, bluesy groove to it.
As per Tom's suggestion, I just listened to Hallow Be Thy Name, and it
didn't do a lot for me. First, I *really* dislike the singer's voice.
Second, just as they started getting a groove, they switched riffs. It
seemed like they did that just for to show that they could write complex
songs (a lot of it sounded like practicing scales to me), and that didn't
work for me. So, along with Dave and Angus, I'm sticking with my original
opinion that, from what I've heard, I don't like Iron Maiden.
Tony
p.s.- while their lyrics do have some historical interest, those that I've
heard (and remember!) are confined to a very narrow band of war, murder, and
sex, I freely admit to not being a complete expert on a band that I don't
really like!
AgentAlbert
"Tony Volk" <av...@king.removethis.igs.net> wrote in message news:3f1dcd65
> p.s.- while their lyrics do have some historical interest, those that I've
> heard (and remember!) are confined to a very narrow band of war, murder,
and
> sex,
Uh, what else is there for a metal band to write about?
I love Maiden, but heavy metal just isn't your thing. Fair enough.
I hate the Beatles. I've had friend try and stage interventions over this
by forcing me to listen to song they just KNEW would change my opinion.
Didn't work. Oh well.
- Adam
Chris4900
> I was making an exagerated point about the importance of lyrics, not
> commenting on Maiden's directly. I believe that Two Minutes is about war
or
> something, I know it is not about child abuse (and for the record, I love
> the Ramone's irreverent Beat on the Brat). Perhaps I haven't heard their
> "good" early material, I'll ask my buddies to play some of it (not being a
> fan, I barely know the songs, let alone the albums, except for number of
the
> beast which I didn't like). It's just that the stuff I've listened to
> doesn't have a good, bluesy groove to it.
> As per Tom's suggestion, I just listened to Hallow Be Thy Name, and it
> didn't do a lot for me. First, I *really* dislike the singer's voice.
Then you might like the first two albums in that they had a differnt singer.
Paul Di'Anno was his name. You probably would not like them anyhow....but
you might find Paul more to your liking than Bruce.
> Second, just as they started getting a groove, they switched riffs. It
> seemed like they did that just for to show that they could write complex
> songs (a lot of it sounded like practicing scales to me), and that didn't
> work for me. So, along with Dave and Angus, I'm sticking with my original
> opinion that, from what I've heard, I don't like Iron Maiden.
>
> Tony
>
> p.s.- while their lyrics do have some historical interest, those that I've
> heard (and remember!) are confined to a very narrow band of war, murder,
and
> sex, I freely admit to not being a complete expert on a band that I don't
> really like!Newsgroups -
Many of their song title are taken from books. Where Eagles Dare (WWII),
The Flight of Icarus, Two Minutes to Midnight (Pending nuclear war), Running
Silent Running Deep (WWII Submarine warfare), Brave New World, Rhyme of the
Ancient Mariner (Poem) Murders in the Rue Morgue (Poe), Aces High (WW
Pilots) etc......etc...
Capper
"badlands420" <badl...@FUCKYOUSPAMMERcox.net> wrote in message
> > I don't like their music. And I do listen to lyrics. Heck, if
AC/DC
> > sang songs about abusing kids, I would be the first to burn my albums
and
> go
> > lay a beating on them.
>
> Say WHAT??? You realize that a lot of Maiden's subject matter is
historical
> in nature, and not necessarily about pleasant events, right? Two Minutes
To
> Midnight doesn't glorify child abuse any more than Run To The Hills
> glorifies killing Indians.
"two minutes to midnight" has nothing to do with child abuse! it's an song
about nuclear holocaust
the only thing i don't like about maiden is whenever you go and see them
Bruce Dickenson has a chance to whinge about almost anything, and although
he's a great singer, his whining gets on my tits
Fast Theo
>> > should be), but there's not a single studio song of theirs that I've
>heard
>> > that I enjoyed. I find that there's no groove to it.
>>
I guess it depends on your definition of groove. IMO, there are a ton of great
studio tracks with groove (Wasted Years, Wicker Man, The Trooper, Hallowed Be
Thy Name, etc, etc, etc). I'm really looking forward to seeing them in concert
on the 8th.
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Angus
izrekao/la neshto shto s gnjojenjem mozdha ima veze i vishe negoli shto bi
to prosjechni promatrach mogao pomisliti:
> Fuck the lyrics, dude. Their instrumental acumen and the quality of their
> arrangements are what set them apart. Plus they wrote distinctive,
> original music and were an *outstanding* live act. Disliking them because
> of their lyrics and/or mascot is, IMO, to arbitrarily overlook a large
> number of redeeming factors.
Maiden lyrics are outstanding !
they are not trying to be tough/evil guys, and as much as I love DC I must
admit that Maiden lyrics beat the shit out of DC's "get drunk, laid and
listen to rock n roll"
try listening to lyrics from hallowed be thy name, blood on teh world's
hands, infinite dreams, look for the truth.....hell,almost anything you take
from their catalog.... and then say the lyrics suck
St.Rik
wrote on 03-07-23 17.09:
Well ... If they were original I would have no beef but most are just
abstracts of books, movies or historical events which as time progressed
became pretty cheezy.
Angus
izrekao/la neshto shto s gnjojenjem mozdha ima veze i vishe negoli shto bi
to prosjechni promatrach mogao pomisliti:
> Well ... If they were original I would have no beef but most are just
> abstracts of books, movies or historical events which as time progressed
> became pretty cheezy.
all their lyrics are original, they did get ideas for some from books/movies
but it's just ideas, what's bad with that? It's not like they transcribe
word to word.
Historical events give them ideas ?? Look at how many artists were inspired
by historical events, from painting to movies. So what's your point?
Now back to maiden - most of their lyrics make intelligent points and in
many, especially those written by Harris you can see emotions and real
philosophical questions, many of which I can really relate to.
Many times did I read interviews with Harris where he explains some stuff,
and says many ideas of his come from dreams.
now this reminds me of a Malcolm quote:
"People can go out and hear REM if they want deep lyrics; but at the end
of the night, they want to go home and get fucked! That's where AC/DC
comes into it."
Maiden are somewhere in between.
Anders Hedman
"Angus" <
>
> all their lyrics are original, they did get ideas for some from
books/movies
> but it's just ideas, what's bad with that? It's not like they transcribe
> word to word.
> Historical events give them ideas ?? Look at how many artists were
inspired
> by historical events, from painting to movies. So what's your point?
>
I agree with what you say. Just because a lyric is based on a concept
already used doesn't make it a bad piece of poetry. All the Greek tragedians
based their dramas on old myths. Does this make for exampel King Oidipus and
Medea bad pieces of work? Of course not. Besides, all AC/DC's lyrics are
based on concepts already used since BC (getting drunk, fucking, having a
good time). Regarding Maiden's lyrics, they're a very mixed cettle of fish.
Some are really corny (like the song IM), some are very good and full of
emotion (like Afraid To Shoot Strangers and Remember Tomorrow) and some are
just plain bad (like Tailgunner). This is all IMO of course.
badlands420
> some are very good and full of
> emotion (like Afraid To Shoot Strangers and Remember Tomorrow)
I'd put Run Silent Run Deep in that category too. Great song, great theme,
great lyrics.
AgentAlbert
"badlands420" <badl...@FUCKYOUSPAMMERcox.net> wrote in message
>
Alot of fans hate that one, but I like it. It's on a pretty crappy album
overall, with some of the most embarrassing stuff they've done in the
Dickinson era, but thats a good song.
- Adam
badlands420
> Alot of fans hate that one,
I wasn't aware of that. I always thought it kicked ass.
Tony Volk
Schaeffer's U-Boat 977. The intro by the Nicholas Monssarat (guarded
British convoys) is alone worth the price (one of the best things I've read
about WWII documentaries). Nasty stuff that submarine business, but there
sure are some heroic and/or interesting stories about it!
Tony
"badlands420" <badl...@FUCKYOUSPAMMERcox.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Alot of fans hate that one,
>
> I wasn't aware of that. I always thought it kicked ass.
>
>
AgentAlbert
movies like U-571 and K-17: The Widdowmaker.
--
- Adam
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Fast Theo
>movies like U-571 and K-17: The Widdowmaker.
>
>--
Ya damn right! That is the most claustrophobic movie I've ever watched. The
acting really gives the movie a sense of urgency (without being cheesy about
it), and the camera angles, lighting, etc, really make you feel like you're
right there. A great film.
Jgbintbass
>Maiden lyrics are outstanding !
>they are not trying to be tough/evil guys, and as much as I love DC I must
>admit that Maiden lyrics beat the shit out of DC's "get drunk, laid and
>listen to rock n roll"
>try listening to lyrics from hallowed be thy name, blood on teh world's
>hands, infinite dreams, look for the truth.....hell,almost anything you take
>from their catalog.... and then say the lyrics suck
The first couple of Iron Maiden albums are good, esp. their first album and
Number of the Beast, but alas, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it hard
listening to Blaze Bayley's 2 albums with the group and Brave New World? None
of the solos/guitar work on those three impress at all. And me, I'd say it is
time to get rid of Eddie.
For intensity, though, Maiden have nothing on Judas Priest and are nowhere
close!
There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'...
AgentAlbert
"Jgbintbass" <jgbin...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> The first couple of Iron Maiden albums are good, esp. their first album
and
> Number of the Beast, but alas, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it hard
> listening to Blaze Bayley's 2 albums with the group and Brave New World?
None
> of the solos/guitar work on those three impress at all.
I've only heard enough of the Blaze stuff to know I don't care to hear
anymore. What a completely colorlesss voice that man has. He's like a
heavy version of Simon le Bon. I just pretend the two Blaze albums never
happened. I never bought them and never will.
I was really happy with Brave New World, though. I still like it. I don't
think they need three guitarists, but BNW was better than I expected.
- Adam
Angus
> I've only heard enough of the Blaze stuff to know I don't care to hear
> anymore. What a completely colorlesss voice that man has. He's like a
> heavy version of Simon le Bon. I just pretend the two Blaze albums never
> happened. I never bought them and never will.
I don't dislike Blaze that much.
X factor is, for me, an excellent album, his singing is shitty on that one
but it does fit all that dark feel the album has. Definitely not a standard
maiden album but I like it.Sign of the cross, blood on the world's hands,
the aftermath, man on teh edge....
now on virtual XI Blaze started singing a bit better but the album is
sloppy, back to standard maiden but with a singer who doesn't fit.if it
weren't for the Clansman the album would be firt class shit.
Blaze leaving maiden was the best thing that could happen, we get excellent
Brave new world, and even more than excellent Silicon messiah, Blaze stuff
can compete with Maiden without question; Tenth dimension being a great,
partially even conceptual, album.