(PROPOSAL): alt.support.diabetes
Jude Crouch
This newsgroup is for the emotional support of persons with
diabetes mellitus, their families and loved ones. Specifically,
this group is not intended to duplicate the information in
misc.health.diabetes, and not intended to dispense advice about
the disease. Nor is this group intended to duplicate the group
alt.food.diabetes, which discusses recipes for the sufferers of
diabetes. This newsgroup has a "good fit" with the other
newsgroups within the alt.support.* hierarchy.
There are currently 15.7 million person with diabetes in the USA
(according to the American Diabetes Association) and 140 million
persons worldwide with diabetes (according to the World Health
Organization). The WHO expects the numbers to more than double to
300 million in the next 25 years.
This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
and some "regulars" frequent the group.
It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages,
binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated and it
is suggested that cmsg or rmgroup messages should not be recognized.
This newsgroup previously has had no "charter". Without significant
objection, this will be the charter. It is intended that this
newsgroup will not have a FAQ, since misc.health.diabetes has
an extensive multi-part FAQ.
This message is being posted in alt.support.diabetes,
alt.food.diabetic, misc.health.diabetes, alt.config and
alt.rmgroup .
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Jay Denebeim
Jude Crouch <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
>sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
>messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
>and some "regulars" frequent the group.
Jude,
You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
posts is listed as 'exactly'.
It should only take a couple of minutes.
Jay
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Liberty
>
> It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages,
> binaries or HTML. alt.support.diabetes is not moderated and it
> is suggested that cmsg or rmgroup messages should not be recognized.
Not sure what what you mean by the above. Do you mean cancels and supercedes?
Good Luck !
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Paul Bolchover
Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.aurora.co.us> wrote:
>In article <7g0pu9$ia5$1...@eve.enteract.com>,
>Jude Crouch <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
>>sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
>>messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
>>and some "regulars" frequent the group.
>
>Jude,
>
> You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
>do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
>Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
>posts is listed as 'exactly'.
>
> It should only take a couple of minutes.
Dejanews carries exactly 1730 posts from the 26th March till the 26th April.
Over 95% of these appear to be on-topic.
Since the newsgroup appears to have more than enough traffic, I applaud
the proponents intention to issue booster messages and charter the group.
Paul Bolchover
Jude Crouch
> In article <7g0pu9$ia5$1...@eve.enteract.com>,
> Jude Crouch <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
>>sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
>>messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
>>and some "regulars" frequent the group.
> Jude,
> You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
> do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
> Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
> posts is listed as 'exactly'.
> It should only take a couple of minutes.
No, it's not that easy. Even tho I specify only this group,
and specific date parameters, it comes up with other groups
as well. 7900 messages in several groups. I know there were
about 250 in the most recent thirty day period.
Jude
> Jay
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Peppe
> In alt.config Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.aurora.co.us> wrote:
> > You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
> > do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
> > Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
> > posts is listed as 'exactly'.
> > It should only take a couple of minutes.
> No, it's not that easy. Even tho I specify only this group,
> and specific date parameters, it comes up with other groups
> as well. 7900 messages in several groups. I know there were
> about 250 in the most recent thirty day period.
Just tried a search myself on the alt.support.diabetes "forum":
Mar 1 1999 to Apr 1 1999: about 2300, excactly 167
The list of articles shows that articles went to several different
newsgroups. If this is what you are describing, the explanation is
that the newsgroup mentioned in the list is the first group of the
"Newsgroups:" header. If an article was crossposted, you may not see
alt.support.diabetes mentioned. To see that it was actually posted to
a.s.d, select the "more headers" link and check the Newsgroups line.
Peppe
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jimt
messages per day showing up. this breaks out to about 3k per month.
jimt
In article <7g282g$nl7$1...@eve.enteract.com>, Jude Crouch
<jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In alt.config Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.aurora.co.us> wrote:
> > In article <7g0pu9$ia5$1...@eve.enteract.com>,
> > Jude Crouch <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> >>This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
> >>sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
> >>messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
> >>and some "regulars" frequent the group.
>
> > Jude,
>
> > You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
> > do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
> > Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
> > posts is listed as 'exactly'.
>
> > It should only take a couple of minutes.
>
> No, it's not that easy. Even tho I specify only this group,
> and specific date parameters, it comes up with other groups
> as well. 7900 messages in several groups. I know there were
> about 250 in the most recent thirty day period.
>
Mick Brown
<260419991734393463%the...@macconnect.com> misc.health.diabetes jimt
<the...@macconnect.com> wrote:
> something wrong with my newsreader then.. I keep getting from 90 to 120
> messages per day showing up. this breaks out to about 3k per month.
> jimt
>
> In article <7g282g$nl7$1...@eve.enteract.com>, Jude Crouch
> <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In alt.config Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.aurora.co.us> wrote:
> > > In article <7g0pu9$ia5$1...@eve.enteract.com>, Jude Crouch <jcr...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>This group was originally created in April of 1997, and has seen
> > >>sporadic, but important, traffic since that time. Most of the
> > >>messages have been persons who have been recently diagnosed,
> > >>and some "regulars" frequent the group.
> >
> > > Jude,
> >
> > > You should put some hard numbers in for this. Go to deja-news and
> > > do a search on all articles in asd for about a 2 or 3 month period.
> > > Set the number of matches to 100 and page forward until the number of
> > > posts is listed as 'exactly'.
> >
> > > It should only take a couple of minutes.
> >
> > No, it's not that easy. Even tho I specify only this group,
> > and specific date parameters, it comes up with other groups
> > as well. 7900 messages in several groups. I know there were
> > about 250 in the most recent thirty day period.
> >
> > Jude
I didn't check the group, but ...
in re: dejanews article counts
The number of posts is *ONLY* the ones which pass through dejanews's version
of spamhippo ( http://www.spamhippo.com ) which means that generally the
most blatently spammed articles are removed. Dejanews lists the newsgroup as
the first one in a newsgroups: header, so crossposts may appear to be from
other groups in an article search. Also dejanews honors the x-noarchive
header and first line convention.
So on an unfiltered feed the article counts may be radically different than
the dejanews search counts.
Dejanews search:
1) shows a spam filtered feed/archive.
2) doesn't show x-noarchive: yes posts
3) shows the first group in the newsgroups: header
TheJimT's comment seems to show that his feed is unfiltered and that Jude
Crouch's feed is filtered very well.
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and said *NO* *SPAM* at all for me.
Jude Crouch
Well, this is what I was attempting to avoid. Does anyone doubt that the
group has had significant traffic? It is an existing group, the only
valid complaint was that there was no charter. Well, now there's a charter.
So I'm ready to send the booster message. Any objections?
Jude
Paul Bolchover
Paul Bolchover <pb1...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>Dejanews carries exactly 1730 posts from the 26th March till the 26th April.
I must have mistypes the dates - I get an "exact" figure around 300 posts
for each month I try.
Paul bolchover
oliver1
<the...@macconnect.com> wrote:
>something wrong with my newsreader then.. I keep getting from 90 to 120
>messages per day showing up. this breaks out to about 3k per month.
are those "new" messages, or just unread ones leftover from the previous day ?
oliver1,
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use it wisely.
Jude Crouch
> Personally, I wouldn't add Yet Another Diabetes Newsgroup
> to my daily reading.
No one is asking you to. The group has been established for over two
years, has considerable traffic, and a focus different than
misc.health.diabetes. If you do not want to read alt.support.diabetes,
the existence of the newsgroup will have zero effect on you.
Simply do not subscribe to it.
If you are a news administrator, however, I urge you to carry
the group for the sake of a significant percentage of persons who
have the disease. The group's existance is consistent with the
other alt.support groups.
> This one (misc.health.diabetes) is just fine with me, and I don't
> read the food group because I don't cook "special" food since a
> person CAN eat anything if they just manage themselves and the
> food well.
That's a different topic completely, and I agree with you. Diabetics
need no special food, but some recipes help diabetics to manage their
intake better than others. If you'd like to discuss the existence of
alt.food.diabetes, I urge you to start a new thread. This one is
about alt.support.diabetes .
jimt
and came up with 86 counting 2 filtered out. of the 84 left i dont see
any spam. that is 84 good postings in 16 hours.
jimt
In article <oliver1-2704...@d-ma-superpop-1-208.ici.net>,
oliver1
<the...@macconnect.com> wrote:
>my reader says 86 unread messages right now. just added them all up
>and came up with 86 counting 2 filtered out. of the 84 left i dont see
>any spam. that is 84 good postings in 16 hours.
>jimt
ok, now mark them all as "read" and check back in 24 hours to see how many
"new" ones have arrived.
K Horton
jimt wrote in message <280419990507142888%the...@macconnect.com>...
>my reader says 86 unread messages right now. just added them all up
>and came up with 86 counting 2 filtered out. of the 84 left i dont see
>any spam. that is 84 good postings in 16 hours.
>jimt
>
posted their responses to abuse@****.****
i voted NO on abuse@***.***
k
(very happy at the moment)
jimt
new messages added up. reader reported 135 but i dont show any kills,
scanning for spam...one probable spam..we have the longest 24hr thread
i have seen so far. 21 messages in apartame stomach pain.
should warn you of one thing on news groups.. the feed can be extremely
variable according to who your newsgroup host is. This is not the same
as your isp. Some of your discount isp's have some of the worst
newsfeeds of all. One i worked as tech manager for had the lousiest
newsfeed i had ever seen. the two best newsfeeds i have seen are
NewsGuy and SuperNet. My current isp (earthlink) uses newsguy.
jimt
In article <oliver1-2804...@d-ma-superpop-2-197.ici.net>,
oliver1 <oli...@ici.am.still.not.a.worm.virus.net> wrote:
> In article <280419990507142888%the...@macconnect.com>, jimt
> <the...@macconnect.com> wrote:
>
> >my reader says 86 unread messages right now. just added them all up
> >and came up with 86 counting 2 filtered out. of the 84 left i dont see
> >any spam. that is 84 good postings in 16 hours.
> >jimt
>
jimt
subscription list at one time. I now have just this one and will
occassionally drop in on the food one and misc. I dropped out of the
food one because I found it to mostly just be an adjunct to the veggie
site which had more interesting recipes. I dropped the misc because of
the number and type of threads and amount of spam i could actually set
filters for.
the group here is far more varied and interesting. including the
flamers and very vocal food additive (sweetener) advocate, anti,
people. Off topic posts here are also more interesting.
jimt
In article <7g7fp4$bbt$1...@eve.enteract.com>, Jude Crouch